Kylie & Demi Lovato on Wild Jonas Reunion, Manifesting Super Bowl Halftime & Swag Gap Marriages | Ep. 50

not gonna lie she was a traitor she was a traitor let's get this podcast started welcome back real ones to season two of not gonna lie a wave i purposely didn't full send it i should have known i should have fucking known welcome back real ones to season two of not gonna lie a wave original brought to you by cvs health i'm your host kylie kelsey and if you're new to the show this season here's pretty much everything you need to know about me i have a bunch of kids a whole horde of children four girls to be exact and no we don't need to try for a boy so suck my ass my husband played for the eagles for 13 years but please dear god do not call me a wag and i'm officially in year two of this podcast where i wipe kids butts issues important to women and i get to speak to people that i have absolutely no business speaking to now you might be wondering what's gonna change in season two fucking nothing including the way i speak which of course brings me to the first point queen emma is rage baiting me with a brand new swearing complaint here why do the kelsey family swear so much at least trevor and kylie do first of all who the fuck's trevor if you mean travis my brother-in-law you're fucking right we do also just keep scrolling you literally don't once you i really cannot emphasize this enough once you interact with the content you're going to continue getting the content and then you're going to continue getting me and trevor swearing our asses off coming up on our season two premiere since it's our first episode of 2026 i'm going to share my ins and outs for this year and spoiler alert giving a fuck is definitely out for a second year in a row feels good after that i flew all the way out to la to sit down with today's guest and i'd do it again which is really saying something she's a multi-platinum superstar with some of the best pop hits ever guys it's temi lovato what i know oh i'm confused too but before we get to all that let's start off with our ngl announcements first up the real real ones might have already seen the news i'm going to the winter olympics and not only am i going ngl is going yep squad roll out appropriate usage okay we're gonna be taping two olympic episodes right from milan this is ah the first one comes out february 19th queen emma wants to know if i'm excited for milan that exhale you heard just a few words ago was me i regularly have an experience on this podcast similarly to announcing that we have interviewed demi lovato for this episode and all of the other guest announcements that we had the absolute pleasure of doing in season one when i say the sentences my brain is like that was such a dumb sentence that was silly um events i'm looking forward to the most i'm very very excited to watch slope style uh snowboarding because i have personal investment now you'll see uh i am very excited to watch ice skating because i could never and speaking of winter olympics and the things that i've teased now uh we're going to be talking about the winter olympics but we've been busy the past few weeks shooting two new episodes of fafo with the help of youtube nbc and some badass olympians i know silly sentence okay you'll be able to watch me learn to curl yep we went all the way to south dakota sioux falls south dakota and we got to learn how to curl it was incredible that episode of fafo is coming out on february 3rd on youtube and i just got back from taping the second one in aspen that's right i returned to the scene of the crime if you know you know i uh got to meet with jamie anderson who was incredible you'll be able to watch me eat shit countless times we're literally going to have an eat shit counter so like just stay tuned for fun all right that's it for our ngl announcements and now in honor of my mother-in-law's debut on traders i'm going to attempt to recap it which probably isn't going to go well because i don't watch reality television and i didn't quite get around to watching all of the episodes yet that have been released but in an attempt to be doing this in a timely manner i do know how it went a small disclaimer i'm about to talk about traders and i am not going to edit myself so if you have not watched yet which i suggest you do uh maybe skip ahead so what are my takeaways she was a traitor oh my god can i tell you there are so many things like if someone was like guess what happened not in a mill i don't i don't know why that didn't even cross my mind that that was a possibility i genuinely couldn't tell you i don't know why that wasn't a possibility in my brain maybe it's because of like her naturally sweet disposition i was like she wouldn't as if it's a choice that's not how that works and donna was a traitor i'm not over this and it's going to take me a while to get over it um i will say this i have seen the clip many times now on my doom scroll of donna's exit which is when they put you on the little circle on the floor and everyone has because everyone voted and said the most votes were for donna we think she's the traitor and uh she stood on the little circle on the floor and then it's basically the person's opportunity to reveal right before they leave whether or not they were a faithful or a traitor meeting every single one of you and her little speech right there on that note i think i'm gonna go but you nailed that donna you nailed that so hard and she does like the dramatic turn and walk off when everyone else is celebrating you can see her in the back of the clip like turn and walk out of the doorway guys she nailed that i have not gotten a chance to talk to donna about it yet um because i didn't watch the full episode i want to i want to make sure that i can dive into a full celebration of donna's accomplishments and my understanding is that there's some things that i have not seen in the clips like challenges that she was involved in that i would like to know before i text her about it i mean is she going to receive a whole paragraph at minimum but from what i've seen she was a traitor and she's going to receive a whole paragraph and she fucking nailed it next up doom scroll the week doom scroll the week is brought to you by a new kind of soda first up on doom scroll my algorithm has informed me of a new gen z trend called the swag gap and i feel personally victimized queen emma the clip please the swag gap is a very real thing to me and it's something that i think about very frequently like way more often than i probably should if i'm being honest but like how could i pull up somewhere in an outfit like this like low bun action cute sunglasses hoop earrings are you seeing these shoes cargo like how could i be wearing something like this and then show up with a guy who's in flip-flops and a vest uh i can confirm it does exist i am the one bringing the team uh the team down it's me it's not my husband my husband he's the one bringing the team down it's me it's not my husband my husband he's the one bringing he's the one who's got the swag. When Jason and I first started dating, Jason would wear the team down it's me it's not my husband my husband he's the one bringing the team down v-neck plain t-shirts. It was this same idea of if I like it, I'll just buy it in another color. That was Jason's MO. He would just wear the exact same shirt in a different color. And let me tell you, it hugged the biceps. It hung off the shoulders nicely. And it also emphasized like how just, it looked good. My husband, when we first started dating, disliked suits so badly, but now because he has to sit the desk on Monday nights and he has to be a little more professional, he's wearing a suit on a very regular basis. And let me tell you something, Don't ever ask yourself why we have four kids, you know, that's self-explanatory. Turn on ESPN on Monday night. I said what I needed to say now. The swag gap for clothing is one thing. He clearly has, like, a cooler swag to the way he dresses. Swag in general, like, overall swag, we've seen him dance, guys. And I don't even need you to see me dance to know that's a low bar. And I will always knock him down a few pegs. When it comes to him thinking he's a good dancer. I mean, I find it cute and endearing, but, like, we've seen it. Okay, next. Like I said earlier, I just got back from a work trip. So this TikTok really hit close to home. Queen Emma. This side of traveling for work, no one warned you about the pump and dump. So, oh, she's dumping. Oh, my God. There's so many bottles of milk down the sink. Oh, and crying emojis. Oh, this hurts my soul. Coming from someone who is admittedly a bare minimum supplier. That's what I call myself, because that is the truth of my breastfeeding journey. And it has been for all four children. Okay. This is not a self-deprecating situation. This is legitimately just me being realistic. With how my breastfeeding has panned out for all of my children. That being said, because we are weaning, Finn was, when we were away on the work trip, getting formula bottles. I then had to pump and dump. Now, coming especially from a bare minimum supplier who, on a regular basis, has been truly, deeply disappointed with what was contained in the bottle. within the pump once I took the pump off. To dump out three to four ounces a side was like a dagger to the heart. It was, first of all, I would have this moment of pride where I was like, oh, and then right down the hotel sink it went. It's sad. I didn't want to get a clogged duct, which everybody knows sucks. I will say one of my biggest tips for clogged ducts, which I think is something that I discovered when I had one with Wyatt. If you have a handheld shower head, you can turn it on. The hardest setting possible and the hottest that you can handle it and massage. Yep. I'm saying this out loud for the internet and I'm going to finish my thought now because it's not going to stop me. You massage it down your boob towards your nipple and then get out of the shower and pump right away or feed the baby right away, but it would probably work better to pump right away. You're welcome Fin did finally cut, fully cut a tooth. There is one, one, just one tooth, one tooth right at the bottom. And last night she had something in her mouth and I thought for a second that she was cutting a tooth on the top. And I got so sad because if you know, you know, when there is a baby with only two teeth, two teeth, I say teeth for a reason, because if you look at them, it's, they're not teeth. That would be ridiculous. They're teeths. Everybody knows that right at the bottom. I genuinely, it is a phase I am not ready to miss out on, on our fourth kid, but also stay away from my nipples. Anyway, the last thing on doom scroll, we're in the midst of what the kids call the kids. Oh God. The kids call dry January, or as I call it January, Queen Emma roll it. I think we earned a beer tonight. I know it's dry January and I know it's the eighth, but I think we earned a beer tonight. We've been working out really good. We've been working really hard, really busy. And yeah, he said the eighth, the eighth. He said, I know it's the eighth. I know we're only eight days. I know we're one day over a weekend is what he said. Um, giving up on dry January, uh, on the eighth of January. Uh, I mean, you're a quarter of the way there. If Jason were to try it, it depends. It depends in January. I feel like there are celebrations and people are traveling for playoffs. I feel like January is iffy, but if you picked a different, different month of the year, maybe like a March solid chance. Oh, no. St. Patty's day. February has a super bowl. Hmm. Maybe April. I myself have absolutely no feelings about dry January because I don't drink. There are so many people who will comment on things or even slide into my DMS and be like, I just want to have a wine. Wine night with you. Or I just want to have a beer with you. Um, I'm so sorry to disappoint you. I don't really drink my go-to at a bar, a fully stocked bar specifically is always going to be a Shirley temple. But apparently, apparently now I don't even have to leave my house for a Shirley temple. Yep. I'm just as shocked as you are, uh, Olipop just introduced their brand new flavor. Shirley temple guys. It's like we manifested it. Your inner trial will be grinning ear to ear. It says stay tuned and I'll try it. That's it for doom scroll the week brought to you by Olipop. Now let's move on to the second annual edition of my new year's ins and outs brought to you by Intuit turbo tax. Now this is taxes. Now I realize this is an older trend. I also realize it's January 15th and it's late as fuck to be doing this, but guess what? I don't care. We're doing it anyway. Here are my top five ins and outs for 2026. Starting with my ins number one, and we'll kick it off with something real controversial kittens and puppies. That's right. I am definitely looking to add things to our home. Will it be a kitten? Will it be a puppy? If Jason has anything to do with it, it'll be neither. Number two, not leaving the house guys. Just let's not, let's collectively decide not to. And then we won't have to meet each other out. You know what I'm saying? Number three, mom and dad, no kids time. Okay. Big deal. We got to try for more date nights or maybe a trip together. Who knows, but you know, what I do is I try for more date nights or maybe a trip together. Who knows? But you know what I do? I try for more date nights or maybe a trip together. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? I know what came the last time mom and dad went on a no kids trip. So you know what else is in? Contraception. Okay. Number four, bagel sandwiches. Technically, they've been in every year, but there are a few better ways to start your day than a bagel sammy, let me tell you. Number five, flipping the bird, very in for 2026. Guys, it's the most derogatory thing I've ever heard in my life. Okay. Number five, to just let people know. Okay. Maybe even a double bird because the more the merrier. Okay. The best part about flipping the bird, it's right there. You don't, you're not questioning where you stand with me right there. Okay. Fuck it. And I said that with my whole chest. Sometimes it's playful. Sometimes it's serious. That's for you to decide bonus ends that just missed the cut bugs. Cause you know, I love bug hunts, ADHD. Cause I can't help that turtles. because Queen Emma made this list. And room temperature water. Big in. Big on room temperature water. Maybe it should have been an in. You get it. Out. Number one, hard pants. This is the easiest one. I don't even think it needs an explanation. If I have to button them, Should I be wearing them? That's a good question to ask yourself. Number two, crop tops. Cut it out. Stop. Stop it. Every brand that is only offering crop tops now, kiss my ass and my belly button because you can see it. Hi, Patricia. Hello. How are you? Are you good? Oh, are you in for 2026 you're in you're so in beards beards bearded ladies in for 2026 patricia said that uh crop tops can you go but can you lay down because I can see your nose. Thanks lady. Number three, acting professional. This is an out because over here we are the most unprofessional professionals you will ever meet. Okay. I have said suck my ass on our sales calls more than once. Number four, cooking with toddlers. I've had enough of this. I've had, if the mess was worth the end result, the end result being that they actually eat the meal. I would do it every day of the week, but you do one, make your own pizza night, get through the entire process, bake the pizzas, and then they look at you and tell you they're not eating it. You might flip the script too. Number five, once again, I've had enough of this. If the mess was worth the end result, again, for the second year in a row, giving a single fuck it's out. It is out. And by giving a single fuck being out, I mean, giving a single fuck about things you cannot control. Okay. Let go relinquish it, but also give a fuck about the things that matter. Okay. Bye. Bonus outs that just missed the cut. Uh, Dallas cause fuck them. Sorry, Demi. And Kelly, the word bitch, except when baby back is in front of it, Los Angeles out guys, what are we doing out there? That does it for my 20, 26 ins and outs brought to you by Intuit TurboTax coming up. We're going to LA to meet Demi Lovato. In the meantime, some messages from me. If you're a real one, you already know I'm a lifelong germaphobe and living in a house with four children, six and under a large dog and my husband. It forces me to confront that phobia on a daily basis. I've seen some disgusting things in my household. I mean, I have one child who every single time she goes to the bathroom, I have to remind her to actually wipe. I said what I said the other day, why it asked me why we go through hand soap. So, so quickly. I thought that was obvious, but I did explain it to her. Fortunately, the CVS health app has me covered so I can mount our family's defense against germs, especially during cold and flu season. Things I'm getting on the app are the standards, okay? You got the disinfectant wipes. You got hand sanitizer because you're going to use that in the car. And so you can get to the sink and use hand soap, which I also get on the app. Why are you between me and the desk right now? What are you doing? You are 120 pounds. Get out. Thank you. I love you. I see you. I get it. I will let you out in a minute. You can also check your prescription status on the go and CVS will tell me the moment my prescription is ready. Which is important because you can't go into a store and waste time with kids. You got to be in and out efficient. Go to cvs.com backslash app to learn more and download the app today. I'm very excited to talk about our next partner, Olipop. They have a brand new flavor that happened to be one of my official ends of 2025, but really every year. It's a Shirley Temple. I've been waiting for this moment to try it for the very first time on camera for the real ones. I'm not kidding. Avoided tasting this until we could do it right now. That's very good. This helps us accomplish one of our ends for 2026, which is not leaving the house. Now you don't have to leave the house to get a good Shirley Temple. We have it at home and it's delicious. I've been a fan of Shirley Temples for pretty much my entire life. 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Only available with TurboTax, full-service experts. Real-time updates only in iOS mobile app. She's a multi-platinum Grammy-nominated sensation behind some of the best pop bangers of all time, like Sorry Not Sorry, Cool for the Summer, and Confident. She just put out a new album called It's Not That Deep, and you can see her on tour this spring. She's also an actor-producer, and now she's officially not going to lie. Demi Lovato, welcome to the show. Thank you. I am so excited to talk to you. I mean, your music, is every single time it comes on, it's an absolute bop, which is probably cringe of me to say, because I think bop is probably out by now. No more cringe. Who cares? Right? Okay. It's a bop. Thank you. They are just so, like, they're just, like, a good time, and, like, every time they come on, I feel like I, like, know every word, and I sing along, and it's just, it's delightful. All of your music. Thank you. Now, before we get into anything, this show is called Not Gonna Lie, so I actually have to call myself out first. Second, I had Kelly Clarkson on the show, and I told her that she was the only Cowboys fan I'd ever have on. But now that you're here, I think we need to amend that. Just for the listeners, your mom was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. Yes. So I am going to, I'm going to give a free pass here. Give me a free pass, because I don't actually watch football. So what you're saying is you could be swayed. I could, I'm, I'm not saying I could be swayed. It's in my blood, and it's, like, my family loves the Cowboys, and so therefore I, you know, like, grew up around the Cowboys, and obviously, like, you know, yeah, understandable. We're a Cowboys family, but I don't actually, and I've never watched the games. I can live with this. Kelly came on here, like, pulling stats, and I was like, hey. No, no, that's not me. Perfect. Okay. And what I will say is, is that I recently got, I don't know if it was a comment that tagged me or a DM, where someone was trying to figure out whether or not them watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders show was sacrilegious for an Eagles fan. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So maybe you could weigh in. Okay. My opinion, there's, like, there's so much history with the, the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Like, and, and my mom, like, invested so much of her time and energy into that job, and she, that was, like, her pride and soul. And so, like, I feel like if you can appreciate the, if you can appreciate the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders for being amazing at what they do, I feel like it doesn't, you can separate it. Yeah. Okay. There it is. You can separate it a little. And with that, I say, go birds. Because balance. It will not be me watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders show because it does still feel a little fucked up to me. But I'm gonna leave that one alone. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Honestly, it is so impressive what they do. It's so impressive. And my mom would tell me stories of, like, how difficult it was to, like, be on the field in 110 degree weather and not being able, this was back in the day of, like, not being able to, like, have frequent water breaks or crazy things like that, where it's, like, it's different now. They put her through a lot, but it was all in the best way. Like, just hard work. Hard work, you know? They were out there being athletes, too. Yes, exactly. Yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it. I'm not gonna do it. You guys can do it, though, because you gotta respect the art. Like, it really is, like, the performance of it is impressive. It's not gonna be me. Okay. Well, now that we have that figured out, I've been so excited to hear your new album. I'm a huge fan, like I said. Thank you. And we just got treated to even more music with your new dance pop album, It's Not That Deep. Yes. What is your personal favorite song from the new album? Kiss, like, is just so fun to me that, and it, like, embodies what the album is, where it's, like, it's not, I'm not taking myself too seriously. I'm having fun with it. It's sexy. It's flirty. And so I think Kiss is probably, like, my favorite. And I think it's my favorite of the, from the album, but I also love Frequency. I also love Ghost. Ghost was, like, an emotional moment let you go like i i'm it's hard to pick a favorite when it's like picking your favorite child it's like picking i mean i don't have children so i can't say but you know it's wrong for people to pick their favorite child that's what i've been told right i have four daughters i've been told it's wrong to pick your favorite child nobody has favorites guys depends on the day uh now i sorry to myself is so i and that one too that one's great too i love i love that one and i also love the way that you've done it on tiktok because it just feels like so like it's every single time it pops up i'm like i'll go listen to it real quick because it you you have to scratch the itch is it true that you started writing this as a rock album and then switched it up yes so when i first started working on this project i was coming out of my last album um holy fuck can you say that or should i just say holy okay um oh we say a lot about okay you say whatever the fuck you want okay so i was coming off of my last album holy fuck and um that was like i was in my rock era and i was like all right let's go and i was like let's go even harder like let's go even more rock with it and um as i started working on it i was like in this relationship very very happy and like i found it really difficult to write happy rock songs like normally they're you know they're just like really emotionally driven and and here i am in this place in my life where i'm just like having fun and it's very light-hearted and um and then so i decided i was like okay maybe i should switch the vibe so i started trying on a few different genres and different sounds and ultimately like what matched my emotions and i was like okay i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this this album was the pop and dance sound that was kind of that was just cohesive with what i was what's going on in my personal life and like i'm having fun i'm you know newly married life is awesome and i don't really have anything to be angry about right now um and so i'm not writing you know music that's very angry sure and um it's just interesting how you think an album is going to start when you think of an album and how it starts to where it actually ends up is really fascinating and something that i love about making music and now you're taking this new album and all of your music on tour this spring uh you can get your tickets now at demi lovato.com backslash tour how do you feel about um one of your earliest stops on the tour which is philly how do i feel about it yeah i'm excited are you i have great memories in philly oh good yeah i like i did i ran the stairs like rocky yes like i've done that i've i just i also just have played philly a million times and um or what feels like a million times and um and i have like good memories there but like i have this one yeah i have this one memory of me running um on a tour stop and like i ran through the streets of philly and it was cool did you yeah because philly is a great place to go and i've everybody knows that you know what i'm dying to have is like a really good philly cheesesteak perfect okay so tell me where to go angelos is where you need to go okay angelos is like the current if you look it up everyone's saying that angelos is the front runner okay it's very very good and uh i feel very strongly about this that you might like angelos okay i'm gonna try it please do i'm gonna try it when i go on tour when i when i'm there yeah okay you tell me i'll meet you there okay do you want to come to the show in philly try to stop me yes yes absolutely oh a thousand percent oh good that'll be fun what can we expect to see on this tour definitely a big show um and songs from my newest album it's not that deep but also songs from my catalog that are um it's just it's about having fun i want to have fun and we're at the fun process right like we're or the fun part of the process where it's like we have a blank slate in front of us and you know i have yet to see what the stage is going to look like i have yet to see what my outfits are going to look like and um and like the collaboration process in all of that you know working with my incredible stylist and um creative director and like so i have yet to like i don't have any inside scoop but what i can tell you is that i'm bringing adela on the road with me and she is just so talented so like she's i heard this quote that was like she's your favorite pop star's favorite pop star and it's so true um she's just so cool yeah i'm so excited well speaking of performing i was just watching you absolutely crush it on new year's rock and eve thank you um out of all of your songs do you have a favorite one that you like to perform live i love doing cool for the summer it's like challenging enough vocally to where it's fun but it's not challenging to a point where it's stressful so like there's no like crazy super high note like in sorry not sorry where i'm like oh god am i gonna hit it this time yes um it's kind of like hard enough to where it's fun to sing but it's not stressful and so i love cool for the summer and then i love doing cool for the summer and i love doing cool for the summer and i love and then i also just have like so many good memories to that song and so it's just so fun now we mentioned kelly clarkson earlier i actually asked her kelly clark i oh don't worry we're gonna get there because i heard that your email address was little kelly at yahoo.com is that true yeah well the the little was spelled with d's because little kelly was already taken sure um so it was little kelly but i was so obsessed with kelly clarkson when i was a kid that i um made my email address little kelly yeah i love that so much uh does kelly know that that happened she does yeah how does she feel about that because i feel like that's i think she's flattered right yeah i i was on her show and i told her when i did her show and then i recently saw her for um rock and roll hall of fame um and i told her again and she was like i know you told me and i was like okay i'm just making sure you know because i'm obsessed with you and now one of the things that i asked kelly which brings me to you saying like the challenging vocal songs that you have i am not musically inclined whatsoever and i just want to know how it feels deep in your soul when you hit the note that you like a really challenging song when you hit it and you fucking nail it it feels so good is that not the most satisfying i feel that my brain has told me yes that must be one of the most satisfying things that you can experience yeah it really is it really really is it's um it's visceral you know like you're i'm when i sing and i hit the high notes it's not just because i can get up there and i want to show off what i can do with my voice it's like the passion and the intensity behind what i'm saying means so much to me and it like it's so powerful that it just it truly is visceral when i when i'm able to like hit a note that in the studio or on stage or whatever like or sometimes in the shower like i just it's such a good feeling it's right up there with sex and chocolate talk about that is exactly that's exactly what my brain told me yeah do you give yourself goosebumps uh no i don't think so i think like have other people given you like when you listen to other people have they like a kelly clarkson when kelly hits a note yes like definitely i think for me i'm so critical of my performances and um and even like my recordings i would say that like i'm so critical it's hard for me to take myself out of that perfectionism to enjoy what i'm doing vocally um don't worry we're all getting goosebumps thank you now you've sang some with some absolutely amazing artists throughout your career christina ariana sam smith to name a few do any of your duets or collaborations stand out to you i would say my favorite collaboration that i've ever done would have to be um fall in line with christina aguilera because christina is like kelly clarkson to me and she was one of my biggest inspirations growing up and every time i karaoke i sing her songs and do you have a favorite what's the go-to um there's one called keep on singing my song um and i thought for sure you were gonna say jean in a bottle no no this one's like got this long note at the end and it's it's really fun to sing i never get to sing it unless i'm doing karaoke or if i'm in the shower but i just like i really really value um that collaboration because it just means so much to me that's so much power in the web it's not even funny um well speaking of collaborations i feel like i can't fully transition into 2026 until i talk to you about one of my favorite moments from 2025 which is when you made a surprise appearance at the jonas brothers concert oh yeah holy fucking nostalgia we actually have the clip now how excited were you to do this it i was so excited did you know that it would take over the internet the way it did because i had a feeling i don't know i always get i always get worried because my algorithm is based on what i watch right my generation i kid you not it was every single it was like six deep before i got anything else and then it went right back to it because my algorithm knew what i wanted to see oh my god you're so sweet what was the best part of it was it like the eruption of the cheer was it yeah definitely god was it so good it was so loud it was so fun as it should have been everyone was just like everyone was going crazy and um and i i think we all shared that same um enthusiasm for the performance because for the jonas weathers and i it was getting back on stage for the first time together and however many years it was really nostalgic for us as well and so um you know hearing the crowd erupt with enthusiasm the way that we were excited to perform it just felt right and was really rewarding that's so cool and the real ones know uh when it comes to tiktok i always say you gotta run to the comment section um so i gotta shout out the top comment with 639 000 likes all we're missing and it is it is it is the disney knees yeah or the disney's if you will the disney's um for anyone who is unfamiliar with this phenomenon can you explain to them the disney knees the disney's i can't explain it i just have to do it um no it's like when you're standing up and you're so excited to be on stage that your knees collapse into each other and that's all i can that's the only way i can describe it yeah that's so good my knees glitch now circling back to that concert the eruption of of cheer and everything but i was also talking about to ed sheeran about the idea of which artists would be considered a cheat code for the loudest crowd in their hometowns is there anyone that you can think about i said we ed and i agreed bringing eminem out in detroit would be like oh yeah yeah yeah cheat code who who would you think when i think of like the loudest crowds i think of like i think of taylor like she'll she'd probably have the loudest crowd that one's easy and you put taylor and philly we're gonna be loud yeah is there anyone in dallas that you think besides you besides me uh maybe beyonce in houston oh beyonce in houston yeah yeah definitely i'm trying to think of i feel like the the artists who sort of rep their hometown really hard are the ones who would get like the biggest yes of course i just thought of an artist please bad bunny in puerto rico that would be the loudest crowd that would pop off in a way that i cannot i want to see that right yes this episode is sponsored by liquid iv even though i said not leaving the house was one of my ends for 2026 this is going to be a lie so i have to admit i will occasionally leave my house for something that's not going to be something awesome because i don't want to miss out i'd be okay with it but i'm probably going to leave the house and unforgettable memories are made when 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rock 3 i'm an executive producer on it yes you are yes does that mean does that mean i don't know we'll have to wait and see twice if you'll tell me later um so like you said you're an executive producer yeah it comes out this summer yes what can you tell us we are making way for the new generation to shine their light as bright as they are and it's just really exciting to see a new generation step into the footsteps of of us and um and just like yeah it's beautiful to watch a generation of new actors and performers have their moment and i can't wait to see the final product this will be the perfect time to do a movie night with your husband yes for camp rock 2 to pre-game camp rock 3 yes this is perfect yes um there's uh speaking of camp rock and all the success you had in your disney channel days did you ever uh reach out to other disney actresses for advice um or to just talk about that experience? Like are you saying like actresses that were on Disney before me? Yes. No I didn't and I think I was like really intimidated and kind of like shy when it came to asking for advice um like I never had a mentor either like I didn't I don't know I just felt like I think I was maybe just shy um I wish that I had I wish that I had gotten advice and um I think it would have saved me a lot of trial and errors like figuring shit out on my own kind of thing um but I like I'm grateful for the path that I've had without a mentor without advice from others so. Do you not having that mentor role yourself do you feel like inclined to offer that to others that are coming up now? I would love to be a mentor to somebody um and like guide someone through the journey that I went on because when you do it alone there's no manual on how to be a pop star and um and there's certain things that I would tell I actually did give like a little many podcasts that I would tell and I would tell like a little many podcasts that I would tell and um and there's certain things that I would tell I actually did give like a little many podcasts that I would tell I actually did give like a little many podcasts that I would tell to the new cast of Camp Rock when I first met them I met them as a group and I was just like hey guys you know um and I I gave them some advice I'm trying to think what advice I gave them um it was like you know don't be afraid to uh ask for time off like take care of yourself first um it's like you know don't be afraid to ask for time off like take care of yourself first um it's from The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah. And I literally, we were at a holiday party and I saw her in the room and I just like walked out of the room. And my husband was like, you glitched, didn't you? You had to walk out of the room. That was such a clear and defined answer of fight or flight. It was fight or flight. I was like, I'm just going to keep walking. You Irish goodbyed the fuck out of that room just because you were like, my brain can't handle this. No, but the thing was, I went right back in the room because I needed the food. It was like the room had a buffet and I was there for dinner and I was like, I have to eat the food. And I also wanted to like say hi. I just like in that moment glitched. She actually said hi to me, which was really cool. And no, she said hi to me. I feel like that's amazing that if you get that like excited to see someone and then they're like, oh, hi. And you're like, oh my God, they wanted to say hi to me too? Yes. So that was funny. And it was a sweet. Little moment. She was nice. And I was totally starstruck. Love that so much. Speaking of starstruck, you were a judge on The X Factor. I was. Along with Britney Spears. Yes. What was that like? And would you ever want to return to singing competitions? I would only return if Britney was a judge next to me. Easy. Yeah. It was so much fun. It was a lot of work, I will say. And I invested a lot of time in it. I invested like so much of my energy into my contestants that were a part of my team that like I would get devastated when they would get sent home. Like I really was like, like I. All in. I was all in. And so I think the emotional toll it takes on you is kind of like a lot because you just invest so much of your time and energy into these people's careers. And it's the beginning of their careers. And so when they don't go on to the next round, you're kind of like, oh my God, did. Was that my fault? Like, did I pick the wrong song for them or whatever it is? And so you just invest so much into the contestants. And and so, yeah, I just like. I think, yeah, I would only do it if Britney was next to me again. I don't. Well, we'll try and manifest it. Yeah, we'll manifest. Sure. Why not? You've performed on so many big stages. Grammys, VMA, Super Bowl, National Anthem. Do you have a favorite? I would say my like looking back, my favorite memory, my favorite stage that I've performed on would have to be the Super Bowl. The National Anthem, because it was just like. There's something about the Super Bowl. Everyone's watching it. And I was so nervous. I blacked out when I started singing like I don't. I finished and I was like, I still nailed it. I don't know. Was that good? That's so impressive. I was so nervous that I just like. That's insane that that version of a National Anthem was autopilot. That's crazy. Would you ever do it again? Yeah, I would do it again. OK. NFL. Let's go. Maybe we could manifest halftime. I would love to manifest that. OK, let's do halftime. I got a ways to go before halftime, but that would. That would be sick. I think I think we could plant the seed at the very least. Yes, we'll plant the seed. Now, something else we have in common is that we both like to cook. So I'm very excited about your brand. You like to cook. I do. Nice. One plate at a time. Recipes for finding freedom with food, which comes out March 17th. The first question, and I have to ask it. I think you can probably guess. Demi, what is your favorite dish? I didn't see that one coming. No? No, I didn't. Queen Emma swore you would. OK, my newest favorite dish is this pickle mug. It's like a mug that looks like a pickle. I love pickles and I love mugs. Oh, perfect. And my cousin Brayden got me that for Christmas this year. It was like a pickle mug. And it's my new favorite. I'm going to take this in a direction that Queen Emma was not prepared for. Do you have a favorite pickle? Oh, I actually do. It's Vlasic's dill pickles, just original dill. The spear? Not the spear, the whole pickle. OK. I know. OK. But they're like this big. They're not like the movie theater pickles. I'm sorry, what? OK, movie theater pickles, that's a Texas thing. I'm so sorry, what? That's a Texas thing. So when- Is this going to be the first thing from Texas I've ever liked? Maybe. Maybe. That's a lie, because you're from Texas. Oh, thank you. And Kelly Clarkson is from Texas. I know. OK. First concept from Texas that I've ever liked. OK, go ahead. When I came to LA the first time I was out here, and I went to the movies at the Grove, I was like, can I have a pickle? And they were like, what? And I was like, yeah, I'll have a pickle with my popcorn. And they were like, where are you from? Like, we don't do that here. And I was like, and that's when I realized, I was like, oh, it must be a Southern thing or like a Texas thing. They give you a whole ass deli pickle. A big pickle in like this big jug. The jug is like this big. It's like just tons of big pickles. This is like a barrel pickle from the deli. Yes. You're fucking kidding me. And you eat it while you watch your movie. And it's the best snack. It lasts you the whole movie. Fuck off. This is not a revelation I was prepared to have today. Yeah. What? I'm serious. I'm dead serious. With your popcorn. Dead serious. That sounds delicious. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You take a piece of the popcorn and you dip it on the pickle. It's really good. Oh, I know what I'm doing when I get home. Yeah. Wow. That was not, I wasn't ready for that. This is, you might have, you've just disrupted my whole thought process. You're welcome. Okay, I'm going to get back on it. I'm going to get back. We're back. I'm going to calm it down. A fucking movie theater. A fucking pickle. Yeah. Wow. Now, I'm going to ask for real now. Not about your pickle mug. Yes. Which sounds lovely. From your new cookbook. Yes. What is your favorite dish? It would be like picking a favorite child. I can't pick just one recipe. Do you have a favorite right now? I really love my chili. Ooh. It's the perfect time of year. But like sometimes I. I really get into like a beef stew phase where like I make that a lot. I made the mac and cheese. Chili is perfect for, we're coming up on super. bowl yes and you know what i want to have a perfect game day do you want to know what i'm gonna do for in your pickle mug maybe but also i'm gonna have my own super bowl where i'm gonna have my friends come over we each pick a soup to make and a super bowl and so everyone picks everyone picks a soup that they have to make and they bring it to the Super Bowl and whoever makes the best soup wins. Wins. Yeah. I love this. Is there a prize? Maybe. I have to think of one. We'll check back. Maybe it's the pickle mug. I'll have to consult with my cousin Brayden. You'll have to find another one. You cannot for sure give away the pickle mug. I know. I know. Now, what made you want to put out this cookbook? So I started cooking like a few years ago. I am not an expert by any means, but I'm somebody that's in recovery from an eating disorder. And when I first got into recovery, food was very, very overwhelming for me to the point where when I would go to the grocery store, I would break down in tears because there was just food everywhere. And that to me was the enemy at the time. When I got into recovery, they taught me the importance and the value of cooking and repairing your relationship with food through that way. And I found that cooking gives me – I found that cooking just kind of helps build my relationship with food in a way that I trust the food and it's Or say you don't have, you know, an eating disorder and you're not in recovery and you want recipes that are just easy and tips on how to, you know, how to get started in the kitchen. Like you could be that person too. Cooking has been so healing for me and my recovery. It is – I always say this, especially when I have guests on. I always like to give flowers where they're due. And I think that's one of the things that I've been doing for a long time. And I think that's I cannot thank you enough for being so open about your process and your recovery and what you went through because raising four girls in this world, it's important to have people who will speak up about those types of things that are impacting a lot of people oftentimes silently. So I really, really appreciate you not only creating this cookbook, but just even starting that conversation and you being open to discussing it is so incredibly special for other people who are also going through it. So thank you. Thank you so much for coming to chat. Once again, make sure you get your tickets to see Demi on her It's Not That Deep tour. Go to DemiLovato.com backslash tour. You can also get her brand new cookbook on March 17th. Thank you again. Thank you so much. This is so much fun. Yeah, so much fun. Thank you. And that's a wrap on this week's episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Demi on my YouTube channel on Worship Monday. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Follow us on social at NGO with Kylie for clips throughout the week. And I'll see you next week. Bye. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by CVS Health. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in.