Kylie & Demi Lovato on Wild Jonas Reunion, Manifesting Super Bowl Halftime & Swag Gap Marriages | Ep. 50

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My husband played for the Eagles for 13 years, but please dear God, do not call me a wag. And I'm officially in year two of this podcast, where I talk about wiping kids' butts, issues important to women, and I get to speak to people that I have absolutely no business speaking to. Now you might be wondering, what's gonna change in season two? Haha, fucking nothing, including the way I speak, which of course brings me to the first point, Queen Emma is rage baiting me with brand new swearing complaint here. Why do the Kelsey family swear so much, at least Trevor and Kylie do? First of all, who the fuck's Trevor? If you mean Travis, my brother-in-law, you're fucking right, we do. Also, do like, just keep scrolling, you literally don't, once you, I really cannot emphasize this enough, once you interact with the content, you're gonna continue gunning the content, and then you're gonna continue gunning the intrever, swearing our asses off, coming up on our season two premiere, since it's our first episode of 2026, I'm gonna share my ins and outs for this year and spoiler alert, giving a fuck is definitely out for a second year in a row. Feels good. After that, I flew all the way out to LA to sit down with today's guest, and I do it again, which is really saying something. She's a multi-platinum superstar with some of the best pop hits ever. Guys, it's Temi Lovato. What? I know, I'm confused too. But before we get to all that, let's start off with our NGL announcements. First up, the real, real ones might have already seen the news. I'm going to the Winter Olympics, and not only am I going, NGL is going. Yep, squat. Roll out. Okay, we're going to be taping two Olympic episodes right from Milan. The first one comes out February 19th. Queen Emma wants to know if I'm excited from Milan. That exhale you heard just a few words ago was me, I regularly have an experience on this podcast, similarly to announcing that we have interviewed Temi Lovato for this episode, and all of the other guest announcements that we had the absolute pleasure of doing in season one. When I say the sentences, my brain is like, that was such a dumb sentence, that was silly. Events I'm looking forward to the most. I'm very, very excited to watch, slope style, snowboarding because I have personal investment now. You'll see. I am very excited to watch ice skating because I could never. And speaking of the Winter Olympics and the things that I've teased now, we've been busy the past few weeks shooting two new episodes of FAFO with the help of YouTube, NBC, and some badass Olympians. I know. Silly sentence. Okay, you'll be able to watch me learn to curl. Yep, we went all the way to South Dakota, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, and we got to learn how to curl. It was incredible. That episode of FAFO is coming out on February 3rd on YouTube, and I just got back from shaping the second one in Aspen. That's right. I returned to the scene of the crime. If you know, you know, I got to meet with Jamie Anderson, who was incredible. You'll be able to watch me each shit countless times. We're literally going to have an each shit counter, so like just stay tuned for fun. All right, that's it for our NGL announcements. And now in honor of my mother-in-law's debut on Traders, I'm going to attempt to recap it, which probably isn't going to go well because I don't watch reality television. And I didn't quite get around to watching all of the episodes yet that have been released. But in an attempt to be doing this in a timely manner, I do know how it went. Small disclaimer, I'm about to talk about Traders, and I am not going to edit myself. So if you have not watched yet, which I suggest you do. Maybe skip ahead. So what are my takeaways? She was a traitor! Oh my god, can I tell you, there are so many things, like, if someone was like, guess what happened? Not in a mill. I don't know why that didn't even cross my mind that that was a possibility. I genuinely couldn't tell you. I don't know why that wasn't a possibility in my brain. Maybe it's because of like her naturally sweet disposition, I was like, she wouldn't, because if it's a choice, that's not how that works. And Donna was a traitor. I'm not over this. And it's going to take me a while to get over it. I will say this. I have seen the clip many times now on my doom scroll of Donna's exit, which is when they put you on the little circle on the floor. And everyone has, because everyone voted and said the most votes were for Donna. We think she's the traitor. And she stood on the little circle on the floor, and then it's basically the person's opportunity to reveal right before they leave whether or not they were a faithful or a traitor. And her little speech right there? On that note, I think I'm going to go, but. You nailed that, Donna. You nailed that so hard. And she does like the dramatic turn and walk off when everyone else is celebrating you can see her in the back of the clip, like turn and walk out of the doorway. Guys. She nailed that. I have not gotten a chance to talk to Donna about it yet, because I didn't watch the full episode. I want to make sure that I can dive into a full celebration of Donna's accomplishments. And my understanding is that there are some things that I have not seen in the clips, the challenges that she was involved in that I would like to know before I text her about it. I mean, is she going to receive a whole paragraph at minimum? But from what I've seen, she was a traitor, and she fucking nailed it. Next up, Doom Scroll the Week. Doom Scroll the Week is brought to you by Oli Pop, a new kind of soda. Next up on Doom Scroll, my algorithm has informed me of a new Gen Z trend called the swag gap. And I feel personally victimized, Queen Emma, the clip, please. The swag gap is a very real thing to me, and it's something that I think about very frequently, like way more often than I probably should have been being honest. But like, how could I pull up somewhere in an outfit like this? Like, low-bond action, cute song glasses, hoop earrings, or you seeing these shoes, cargo like, how could I be wearing something like this and then show up with a guy who's in flip-flops and a vest. I can confirm, it does exist. I am the one bringing the team down. It's me. It's not my husband, my husband. He's the one who's got the swag. When Jason and I first started dating, Jason would wear V-neck plane t-shirts. It was this same idea of, if I like it, I'll just buy it in another color that was Jason's M.O. He would just wear the exact same shirt in a different color. And let me tell you, it hugged the biceps. It hung off the shoulders nicely, and it also emphasized like how just it looked good. My husband, when we first started dating, disliked suits so badly. But now, because he has to sit the desk on Monday nights. and he has to be a little more professional. He's wearing a suit on a very regular basis and let me tell you something. Don't ever ask yourself why we have four kids. You know? That's self-explanatory. Turn on ESPN on Monday night. I said what I needed to say. Now, the swag gap for clothing is one thing. He clearly has like a cooler swag to the way he dresses. Swag in general, like overall swag. We've seen him dance, guys. And I don't even need you to see me dance to know. That's a low bar. And I will always knock him down a few pegs when it comes to him thinking he's. Oh good dancer. I mean, I find it cute and endearing, but like we've seen it. Okay, next. Like I said earlier, I just got back from a work trip. So this TikTok really hit close to home, Queen Emma. The side of traveling for work, no one warned you about the pump and dump. Oh, she's dumping. Oh my God, there's so many bottles of milk down the sink. Oh, and crying emojis. This hurts myself. Coming from someone who is admittedly a bare minimum supplier. That's what I call myself because that is the truth of my breastfeeding journey. And it has been for all four children, okay? This is not a self-deprecating situation. This is legitimately just me being realistic with how my breastfeeding has panned out for all of my children. That being said, because we are weaning, Finn was when we were away on the work trip, getting formula bottles. I then had to pump and dump now. Coming especially from a bare minimum supplier who on a regular basis has been truly deeply disappointed with what was contained within the pump. Once I took the pump off to dump out three to four ounces a side was like a dagger to the heart. It was, first of all, I would have this moment of pride where I was like, oh, and then right down on the hotel sink, it went. It's not, it's sad. I didn't want to get a clogged duct, which everybody knows sucks. I will say one of my biggest tips for clogged ducts, which I think is something that I discovered when I had one with Wyatt. If you have a handheld shower head, you can turn it on the hardest setting possible and the hottest that you can handle it, and massage, yep, I'm saying this out loud for the internet. And I'm gonna finish my thought now because it's not gonna stop me. You massage it down your boob toward your nipple and then get out of the shower and pump right away or feed the baby right away, but it would probably work better to pump right away. You're welcome. Finn did fully cut a tooth. There is one, one, just one, tooth, one tooth, right at the bottom. And last night she had something in her mouth and I thought for a second that she was cutting a tooth on the top and I got so sad 'cause if you know, you know, when there is a baby with only two teeth, two teeth, I say teeth for a reason. 'Cause if you look at them, they're not teeth. That would be ridiculous, they're teeth, everyone knows that. Right at the bottom. I genuinely, it is a phase I am not ready to miss out on, on our fourth kid, but also stay away from my nipples. Anyway, the last thing on Doom's Girl, we're in the midst of what the kids call. (laughs) The kids. (laughs) Oh God, but the kids call dry January or as I call it, January, Queen Emma, roll it. I think we earned a beer tonight. I know it's dry January and I know it's the eighth, but I think we earned a beer tonight. We've been working out really good. We've been working really hard, really busy. And yeah, he said the eighth. (laughs) He said, "I know it's the eighth." I know early eight, I know we're one day over a weekend, is what he said. Giving up on dry January, on the eighth of January, I mean, you're a quarter of the way there. If Jason were to try it, it depends. It depends. In January, I feel like there are celebrations and people are traveling for playoffs. I feel like January is iffy. But if you picked a different month of the year, maybe like a march, solid chance. Oh, nope, St. Paddy said. February has a Super Bowl. Maybe April. I myself have absolutely no feelings about dry January because I don't drink. There are so many people who will comment on things or even slide into my DMs and be like, "I just want to have a wine night with you." All right, just want to have a beer with you. I'm so sorry to disappoint you. But I don't really drink. My go-to at a bar, a fully stocked bar, specifically, is always going to be a Shirley Temple. But apparently now, I don't even have to leave my house. For a Shirley Temple. Yep. I'm just as shocked as you are. Ollipop just introduced their brand new flavor, Shirley Temple. Guys, it's like we've manifested it. Your inner trial will be grinning year to year. It says, "Stay tuned and I'll try it." That's it for Doom Scroll the Week, brought to you by Ollipop. Now, let's move on to the second annual edition of My New Year's In's and Out. It's brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. Now this is taxes. Now I realize this is an older trend. I also realize it's January 15th and it's late as fuck to be doing this. But guess what? I don't care. We're doing it anyway. Here are my top five in's and outs for 2026. Starting with my in's. Number one, we'll kick it off with something real controversial. Kittens and puppies, that's right. I am definitely looking to add things to our home. Will it be a kitten? Will it be a puppy? If Jason has anything to do with it, it'll be neither. Number two, not leaving the house. Guys, just let's not. Let's collectively decide not to and that we won't have to meet each other out. You know what I'm saying? Number three, mom and dad, no kids time. Okay? Big deal. We gotta try for more date nights or maybe a trip together. Who knows? But you know what I do know? I know what came the last time mom and dad went on a no kids trip. So you know what else is in? Contr reception. Okay. Number four, bagel sandwiches. Technically, they've been in every year, but. (laughs) There are a few better ways to start your day than a bagel Sammy. Let me tell you. Number five, flipping the bird very in for 2026. Guys, it's the most direct way to just let people know. Okay? Maybe even a double bird. 'Cause the more the merrier, okay? The best part about flipping the bird? It's right there. You're not questioning where you stand with me. We're right there, okay? Fuck it. And I said that with my whole chest. Sometimes it's playful. Sometimes it's serious. That's for you to decide. Bonus ends, the just missed the cut. Bugs, 'cause you know I love bug hunts. ADHD, 'cause I can't help that. Turtles, 'cause Queen Emma made this list. (laughs) And room temperature water. Big in. Big on room temperature water. Maybe it should have been an N. You get it. Out. Number one, hard pants. This is the easiest one. I don't even think it needs an explanation. If I have to button them, should I be wearing them? That's a good question to ask yourself. Number two, crop tops. Cut it out. Step, step. Every brand that is only offering crop tops now, Kiss my ass and my belly button, because you can see it. Hi Patricia. Hello. How are you? Are you good? Are you? Oh, are you in for 26? You're in. You're so in. Beards. Beards. Bearded ladies in for 26. Patricia said that. Crop tops. Can you go, but can you lay down because I can see your nose? Thanks, lady. Number three, acting professional. This is an out because over here, we are the most unprofessional professionals you will ever meet. Okay. I have said suck my ass on our sales calls. More than once. Number four, cooking with toddlers. I've had enough of this. I've had it. If the mess was worth the end result, the end result being that they actually eat the meal, I would do it every day of the week. But you do one, make your own pizza night, get through the entire process, bake the pizzas, and then they look at you and tell you they're not eating it. You might flip the script to number five, once again, for the second year in a row, giving a single fuck. It's out. It is out. And by giving a single fuck being out, I mean giving a single fuck about things you cannot control. Okay, let go. Relinquish it. But also give a fuck about the things that matter. Okay, bye. Bonus outs that just missed the cut. Dallas is fuck him. Sorry, Demi and Kelly. The word bitch, except when baby back is in front of it, Los Angeles out. Guys, what are we doing out there? That does it for my 2026 ins and outs brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax coming up. We're going to LA to meet Demi Lovato in the meantime, some messages from me. If you're a real one, you already know I'm a lifelong germaphob and living in a house with four children, six and under. A large dog and my husband, it forces me to confront that phobia on a daily basis. I've seen some disgusting things in my household. I mean, I have one child who every single time she goes to the bathroom, I have to remind her to actually wipe. I said what I said. The other day, why it asked me why we go through hand soap so quickly. I thought that was obvious. But I did explain it to her. 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Whether you do your taxes in person or online, your turbo tax expert takes taxes fully off your plate and will update you every step of the way so you don't have to worry. That way you can actually get back to the things that matter to you, like eating personal chocolate cakes, listening to Demi Lovato's new album or watching my mother-in-law on traders. Taxes don't keep business hours and neither does turbo tax. Turbo tax full service experts are available 24/7. Now this is taxes visit www dot turbo tax dot com only available with turbo tax full service experts real time updates only in iOS mobile app. She's a multi platinum Grammy nominated sensation behind some of the best pot bangers of all time, like sorry not sorry cool for the summer and confident. She just put out a new album called It's Not That Deep. And you can see her on toward this spring. She's also an actor producer and now she's officially not going to lie. Demi Lovato, welcome to the show. Thank you. I am so excited to talk to you. I mean, your music is every single time it comes on. It's an absolute bop, which is probably cringe with me to say because I think bop is probably out by now. No way, cringe, you care. Right. Okay. It's a bop. Thank you. They are just so like they're just like a good time and like every time they come on, I feel like I like know every word and I sing along and it's just it's delightful. All of your music. Thank you. Now, before we get into anything, this show is called not going to lie. So I actually have to call myself out for a second. I had Kelly Clarkson on the show. And I told her that she was the only Cowboys fan I'd ever have on. But now that you're here, I think we need to amend that just for the listeners, your mom was a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. Yes. So I am going to I'm going to give a free pass here. Give me a free pass because I don't actually watch football. So what you're saying is you could be swayed. I'm not saying I could be swayed. It's in my blood and it's like my family loves the Cowboys and so therefore I, you know, like grew up around the Cowboys. Perfect. Obviously, like, you know, yeah, understandable. We're a Cowboys family, but I don't actually, and I have never watched the games. I can live with this. Kelly came on here like pulling stats and I was like, hey, no, no, that's not me. Perfect. And what I will say is that I recently got I don't know if it was a comment that tagged me or DM where someone was trying to figure out whether or not them watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders show. Yes. Was sacrilegious for an Eagles fan and I was like, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. So maybe, maybe you could weigh in. Okay. My opinion. There's like. There's so much history with the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Yes. And my mom like invested so much of her time and energy into that job and she, that was like her pride and soul. And so like, I feel like if you can appreciate the, if you can appreciate the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders for being amazing at what they do. Yes. You can separate it. It will not be me watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders show because it does still feel a little fucked up to me. But I'm going to leave it. I'm going to leave it. Honestly, it is so impressive. What they do. It's so impressive. And my mom would tell me stories of like how difficult it was to like be on the field in 110 degree. Whether and not being able to, this was back in the day of like not being able to like have frequent water breaks or crazy things like that. It's like it's different now that they put it through a lot, but it was all in the best way. Like, yes. Just hard work. Right. You know, they were out there being athletes too. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can do it. You guys can do it though. Because you got to respect the art like it really is like the performance of it is impressive. Well, now that we have that figured out, I've been so excited to talk to you about your music because huge fan, like I said. Thank you. And we just got treated to even more music with your new dance pop album. It's not that deep. Yes. But what is your personal favorite song from the new album? - Kiss is just so fun to me. That, and it embodies what the album is, where it's like, I'm not taking myself too seriously. I'm having fun with it. It's sexy, it's flirty. And so I think Kiss is probably like my favorite of the, from the album, but I also love frequency, I also love ghost. Ghost was like an emotional moment, let you go. Like I, I'm, it's hard to pick a favorite when-- - It's like picking your favorite child. - It's like picking, I mean, I don't have children, so I can't say, but it is, - But you know, it's wrong for people to pick their favorite child. That's what I've been told, right? - I have four daughters. I've been told it's wrong to pick your favorite child. Nobody has favorites, guys. Depends on the day. Now, I, sorry to myself, is, so, I-- - And that one too, that one's great too, I love that one. - I love that one and I also love the way that you've done it on TikTok because it just feels like, so like, it's, every single time it pops up, I'm like, I'll go listen to it real quick. - Oh, thank you. - Because you have to scratch the itch. Is it true that you started writing this as a rock album and then switched it up? - Yes. So when I first started working on this project, I was coming out of my last album, Holy Fuck, can you say that or should I just say Holy? Okay, oh, we say a lot about that. You say whatever the fuck you want. - Okay, so I was coming off of my last album, Holy Fuck, and that was like, I was in my rock era and I was like, all right, let's go. And I was like, let's go even harder. Like, let's go even more rock with it. And as I started working on it, I was like, in this relationship, very, very happy. And like, I found it really difficult to write happy rock songs. Like, normally they're, you know, they're just like really emotionally driven and here I am in this place in my life where I'm just like having fun and it's very lighthearted. And then, so I decided, I was like, okay, maybe I should switch the vibe. So I started trying on a few different genres and different sounds. And ultimately like what matched my emotions, this album was the pop and dance sound that was kind of, it was just cohesive with what I was, what's going on in my personal life. And like, I'm having fun. I'm, you know, newly married. Life is awesome. And I don't really have anything to be angry about right now. And so I'm not writing, you know, music that's very angry. - Sure. - And it's just interesting how you think an album is gonna start, when you think of an album and how it starts to where it actually ends up is really fascinating. And something that I love about making music. - And now you're taking this new album and all of your music on tour this spring. You can get your tickets now at demulavato.com/tour. How do you feel about one of your earliest stops on the tour, which is Philly? - How do I feel about it? - Yeah. - I'm excited. - Are you? - I have great memories in Philly. - Oh, good. - Yeah, I like, I ran the stairs like Rocky. - Yes. - Like a perfect. - I just, I also just have played Philly a million times and, or what feels like a million times. And I have like good memories there. But like I have this one, yeah, I have this one memory of me running on a tour stop and like, I ran through the streets of Philly and it was cool. - Did you? - Yeah. - Because Philly's a great place to go and everybody knows that. - You know what I'm dying to have is like a really good Philly cheese steak. - Perfect, okay. - So tell me where to go. - Angelos is where you need to go. - Okay. - Angelos is like the current, if you look it up, everyone's saying that Angelos is the front runner. - Okay. - It's very, very good. And I feel very strongly about this that you might like Angelos. - Okay, I'm gonna try it. - Please do. - I'm gonna try it when I go on tour. - Perfect. - When I'm there, yeah. - Okay, you tell me, I'll meet you there. - Okay. (laughing) - Do you want to come to the show in Philly? - Try to stop me. - Yes. - Yes, absolutely. - I love it. - Oh, a thousand percent. - Oh good. - That'll be fun. - What can we expect to see on this tour? - Definitely a big show. And songs from my newest album, it's not that deep, but also songs from my catalog that are older. It's just, it's about having fun. I want to have fun and we're at the fun process, right? Like we're, or the fun part of the process where it's like, we have a blank slate in front of us and, you know, I have yet to see what the stage is gonna look like. I have yet to see what my outfits are gonna look like and like the collaboration process in all of that, you know, working with my incredible stylist and creative director and like, so I have yet to like, I don't have any inside scoop, but what I can tell you is that I'm bringing Adela on the road with me and she is just so talented. So like, she's, I heard this quote that was like, she's your favorite pop star, she's favorite pop star and it's so true. She's just so cool. - Yes, so excited. - Well, speaking of performing, I was just watching you absolutely crush it on New Year's Rock and Eve. - Thank you. - Out of all of your songs, do you have a favorite one that you like to perform live? - I love doing cool for the summer. It's like challenging enough vocally to where it's fun, but it's not challenging to a point where it's stressful. So like, there's no like crazy super high note, like, I'm sorry, you're not sorry, where I'm like, oh, God, am I gonna hit it this time? - Yes. - It's kind of like hard enough to where it's fun to sing, but it's not stressful. And so I love cool for the summer. And then I also just have like, so many good memories to that song. And so it's just so fun. - No, we mentioned Kelly Clarkson earlier. I actually asked her- - I love Kelly Clarkson. - Oh, don't worry. We're gonna get there it because I heard that your email address was little Kelly at Yahoo.com. Is that true? - Yeah, well, the little was spelled with D's because little Kelly was already taken. - Sure. So it was little Kelly, but I was so obsessed with Kelly Clarkson when I was a kid that I made my email address little Kelly. - Yeah, I love that so much. Does Kelly know that that happened? - She does. - Yeah, how does she feel about that? - 'Cause I feel like that's- - I think she's flattered. - Right. - Yeah. I was on her show and I told her when I did her show. And then I recently saw her for Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And I told her again and she was like, "I know you told me." And I was like, "Okay, I'm just making sure you know "cause I'm obsessed with you." - Now, one of the things that I asked Kelly, which brings me to you saying like, the challenging vocal songs that you have, I am not musically inclined whatsoever. And I just wanna know how it feels deep in your soul, when you hit the note that you, like a really challenging song, when you hit it, and you fuckin' nail it. (audience cheering) - It feels so good. - Is that the most satisfying, I feel that my brain has told me that must be one of the most satisfying things that you can experience. - Yeah, it really is. It really, really is. It's visceral, you know. Like you're, when I sing and I hit the high notes, it's not just because I can get up there and I wanna show off what I can do with my voice. It's like the passion and the intensity behind what I'm saying means so much to me and it's so powerful that it just truly is visceral when I, when I'm able to like hit a note that in the studio or on stage or whatever, like or sometimes in the shower, like I just, it's such a good feeling. It's right up there with sex and chocolate. - Talk about it. - That is exactly, that is exactly what my brain told me. - Yeah, yeah. - Do you give yourself goosebumps? - No, I don't think so. I think like have other people given you, like when you listen to other people, have they get like a Kelly Clarkson when Kelly hits a note? Like definitely. I think for me, I'm so critical of my performances and even like my recordings, I would say that like I'm so critical it's hard for me to take myself out of that perfectionism to enjoy what I'm doing vocally. - Don't worry, we're all getting goosebumps. - Thank you. Now you've sang some with some absolutely amazing artists throughout your career. Christina, Ariana, Sam Smith, to name a few. Do any of your duets or collaborations stand out to you? - I would say my favorite collaboration that I've ever done would have to be fall in line with Christine Aguilera because Christina is like Kelly Clarkson to me and she was one of my biggest inspirations growing up and every time I karaoke, I sing her songs. And. and two of my favorite, "What's the go to?" - There's one called "Keep On Saying In My Song." And-- - I thought for sure you were gonna say "Jean in a bottle." - No, no, this one's like got this long note at the end and it's really fun to sing. I never get to sing it unless I'm doing karaoke or if I'm in the shower. But I just like, I really value that, collaboration because it just means so much to me. - That's so much power in that. - Go have a tiny little funny. Well speaking of collaborations, I feel like I can't fully transition into 2026 until I talk to you about one of my favorite moments from 2025, which is when you made a surprise appearance at the Jonas Brothers concert. - Oh yeah. - Holy fucking nostalgia. We actually have the clip. (upbeat music) ♪ To let it show it's time to let you know ♪ ♪ To let you know ♪ ♪ If that's real, if that's me, I think that's real ♪ - Now, how excited were you to do this? - I was so excited. - Did you know that it would take over the internet the way it did? Because I-- - I had a feeling. - I don't know. I always get worried because my algorithm is based on what I watch, right? My generation, I kid you not. It was every single [laughs] It was like six deep before I got anything else and then it went right back to it because my algorithm knew what I wanted to see. - Oh my God, you're so sweet. - What was the best part of it? Was it like the eruption of the cheer eruption? - The eruption. - Yeah, definitely. - God was it so good. - It was so loud. It was so fun. - Has it been-- - It should have been. Everyone was just like, everyone was going crazy and I think we all shared that same enthusiasm for the performance because for the Jonas Brothers and I, it was getting back on stage for the first time together and however many years it was really nostalgic for us as well. And so, hearing the crowd erupt with enthusiasm the way that we were excited to perform it just felt right and was really rewarding. - That's so cool. And the real ones know when it comes to TikTok, I always say you got to run to the comment section. So I got to shout out the top comment with 639,000 likes. All we're missing and it is, it is the Disney Knees or the Disney's, if you will. - The Disney's. For anyone who is unfamiliar with this phenomenon, can you explain to them the Disney Knees? - The Disney's, I can't explain it, I just have to do it. No, it's like when you're standing up and you're so excited to be on stage that your knees collapse and do each other. And that's all I can-- - That's the best way I can describe it, yeah. - That's so good. - My knee is glitch. - Now, circling back to that concert, the eruption of cheer and everything, but I was also talking about to Ed Sheeran about the idea of which artists would be considered a cheat code for the loudest crowd in their hometowns. Is there anyone that you can think about? I said, Ed and I agreed, bringing Eminem out in Detroit would be like-- - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Cheat code. - Cheat code. - Who would you think? - When I think of like the loudest crowds, I think of like, I think of Taylor. Like she'd probably have the loudest crowd. - That was easy. - You put Taylor and Philly, we're gonna be loud. 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So he didn't see any of that. So you had to educate him. I had to educate him. Got it. We still have yet to watch Cam Brock too. And I haven't showed him Princess Protection Program. So we have some-- Sounds like you've got movie night lined up. Yes. For a little while. Exactly. Now, what did he think of Cam Brock? He thought it was cute. He was like, this is where you got your star. That's amazing. I will say every single time someone references Cam Brock immediately in my head, it starts going, this is real. And I can't stop it. Now it's going in my head, and I will have that for the next three days. And Cam Brock III, I'm an executive producer on it. Yes, you are. Yes. Does that mean-- does that mean I don't know? We'll have to wait and see. We'll talk twice if you'll tell me in later. So like you said, you're an executive producer. It comes out this summer. Yes. What can you tell us? We. We are making way for the new generation to shine their light as bright as they are. And it's just really exciting to see a new generation step into the footsteps of us and just like, yeah, it's beautiful to watch a generation of new actors and performers have their moment and I can't wait to see the final product. This will be the perfect time to do a movie night with your husband for Camp Rock 2 to pre-game Camp Rock 3. Yes. Totally. Yes. Yes. There's speaking of Camp Rock and all the success you had in your Disney Channel days, did you ever reach out to other Disney actresses for advice or to just talk about that experience? Like, are you saying like actresses that were on Disney before me? Yes. No, I didn't. And I think I was like really intimidated and kind of like shy when it came to asking for advice. Like I never had a mentor either. Like I didn't, I don't know, I just felt like I think I was maybe just shy. I wish that I had, I wish that I had gotten advice and forget what have saved me a lot of trial and errors, like figuring shit out of my own kind of thing. But I, like I'm grateful for the path that I've had without a mentor, without advice from others. Do you not having that mentor roll yourself? Do you feel like inclined to offer that to others that are kind of now? I would love to be a mentor to somebody and like guide someone through the journey that I went on because when you do it alone, there's no manual on how to be a pop star. And there's certain things that I would tell. I actually did give like a little mini pep talk to the new cast of Camp Rock when I first met them. I met them as a group and I was just like, hey guys, you know, and I gave them some advice. I'm trying to think what advice I gave them. It was like, you know, don't be afraid to ask for a time off, like take care of yourself first. It's really important that you take care of your mental health and so that you can do the other things that you want to do like performing and acting. But if you don't have your mental health or if you get burnt out, like that can all go away. It's like it's important to take care of yourself. That's such an important message. You of course got to meet so many incredible people in your career. And I'm sure it just continues to happen. But do you ever feel like you met someone along the way that made you truly star-struck? Yes. Besides Christina and Kelly. I giggle because I get star-struck by like the most unassuming people, I guess, like I could be in a room, I've been star-struck by huge artists. But like the most recent star-struck that I got was I was in a room with Lisa Barlow from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And I literally, we were at a holiday party and I saw her in the room and I just like walked out of the room and my husband was like, "You glitch, didn't you? You had to walk out of the room." That was such a clear and defined answer of "Fight or Flight." It was "Fight or Flight." I was like, "I thought I'd just going to keep walking." And I was like, "You Irish could buy the fuck out of that room, just because you were like my brain can't handle it." No, but the thing was I went right back in the room, because I needed the food. It was like the room. The room was had a buffet and I was there for dinner and I was like, "I have to eat the food." So I also wanted to say hi, I just like, did you say hi? She actually said hi to me, which was really cool. And no, she's like, "That's amazing that if you get that excited to see someone and then they're like, 'Oh, hi!'" and you're like, "Oh, I don't want to say hi to me, do I?" Yes. So that was funny. And it was a sweet little moment. She was nice. And I was totally star-struck. Love us so much. Speaking of star-struck, you were a judge on the X-Factor, along with Britney Spears. Yes. What was that like and would you ever want to return to singing competitions? I would only return if Britney was a judge next to me. Easy. Yeah. It was so much fun. It was a lot of work, I will say. And I invested so much of my energy into my contestants that were a part of my team, that I would get devastated when they would get sent home. I really was like, "I'm all in. I was all in." And so I think the emotional toll it takes on you is kind of like a lot because you just invest so much of your time and energy into these people's careers and it's the beginning of their careers. They don't go on to the next round, you're kind of like, "Oh my God, was that my fault? Like, did I pick the wrong song for them or whatever it is?" And so you just invest so much into the contestants. And so yeah, I just like, I think, yeah, I would only do it if Britney was next to me again. I don't. We'll try and manifest it. Yeah. We'll manifest it. Sure. Why not? I don't know how many big stages, Grammys, VMA, Super Bowl, National Anthem. Do you have a favorite? I would say my, like, looking back, my favorite memory, my favorite stage that I've performed on would have to be the Super Bowl, the National Anthem because it was just like, like something about the Super Bowl, everyone's watching it and I was so nervous. I blacked out when I started singing. Like I don't, I finished and was like, was that good? I'm so nailed it. I don't know. Was that good? That's so impressive. I was so nervous, but I just like. That's insane that that version of a National Anthem was Autopilot. That's crazy. Thank you. Would you ever do it again? Yeah, I would do it again. Okay. I don't think so. Let's go. Maybe we could manifest half time. I would love to manifest that. Okay. Let's do half time. I got a ways to go before half time, but that would be sick. I think we could plant the seed at the very least. Yes. We'll plant the seed. Now, something else we have in common is that we both like to cook, so I'm very excited about your wonderful work. You like to cook. I do. Nice. I played it a time, recipes for finding freedom with food, which comes out March 17th. The first question, and I have to ask it, I think you can probably guess. Demi, what is your favorite dish? I didn't see that one coming. No. No. I didn't. I'm a swore you would. Okay. My newest favorite dish is this pickle mug. It's like a mug that looks like a pickle. I love pickles. And I love mug. Oh, perfect. And my cousin, Braden got me that for Christmas this year was like a pickle mug, and it's my new favorite dish. I'm in it. I'm going to take this in a direction that Queen Emma was not prepared for. Do you have a favorite pickle? I actually do. It's um, the last six dill pickles, just original dill, the spear, not the spear, the whole pickle. Okay. I know. They're like this big. They're not like the movie theater pickles. I'm sorry. What? Okay. Movie theater pickles. That's the type of thing. What? That's the Texas thing. So is this going to be the first thing from Texas I've ever liked? Maybe. Well, that's a lie because you're from Texas. Oh, thank you. And Kelly Thompson is from Texas. I know. So. Okay. First concept from Texas that I've ever liked. Okay. Go ahead. Okay, the first time I was out here, um, and I went to the movies of the Grove. I was like, can I have a pickle? And they were like, what? And I was like, yeah, I'll have a pickle with my popcorn. And they were like, where, where are you from? Like, we don't do that here. And I was like, and that's when I realized I was like, oh, it must be a Southern thing or like a Texas thing. Um, they give you a whole house, a deadly pickle pickle in like this big jug. The jug is like this big. It's like just tons of things. This is like a barrel pickle from the deli. Yes. And you're fucking kidding. And you, you eat it while you watch your movie. And it's the best snack. It's, it lasts you the whole movie. Fuck off. Fuck. This is not a revelation I was prepared to have today. Yeah. What? I'm serious. With your popcorn. Dead serious. That sounds delicious. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You take a piece of the popcorn. No, no, it's really good. Oh, I know what I'm doing when I get home. Yeah. Wow, that was not, I wasn't, I wasn't ready for that. This is, you might have, you've just disrupted my whole thought process. - You're right. - Okay, I'm gonna get back on it. I'm gonna get back, we're back. I'm gonna, I'm gonna calm it down. - A fucking movie theater pickle. - Yeah. - Wow. Now, I'm gonna ask for real, no. Not about your pickle mug, which sounds lovely. - From your new cookbook. - Yes. - What is your favorite dish? - It would be like picking a favorite child. I can't pick just one recipe. - Do you have a favorite right now? - I really don't like it. - We won't hold you to it. - My chili. - Ooh. - It's the perfect time. - But like, sometimes I, really get into like a beef stew phase, where like I make that a lot. - But you make cheese. - I made the mac and cheese. - Perfect for, we're coming up on Super Bowl. - Yes. - And you know what I wanna have? - Chili is the perfect game day. - Do you wanna know what I'm gonna do for Super Bowl? - Your pickle mug? - Maybe. But also, I'm gonna have my own Super Bowl, where I'm gonna have my friends come over. We each pick a soup to make. And a soup. - Yeah, a Super Bowl. - And so everyone picks, everyone picks a soup that they have to make and they bring it to the Super Bowl and whoever makes the best soup wins, yeah. - I love this. - Is there a prize? - Maybe. - I have to think of one. - We'll check, right? - Maybe it's the pickle mug. I have to find another one. - You have to find another one. - It doesn't break in. - You'll have to find another one. You cannot, for sure, give away the pickle. - I know, I know. - No, what made you want to put out this cookbook? - So I started cooking like a few years ago. I am not an expert by any means, but I'm somebody that's in recovery from an eating disorder. And when I first got into recovery, food was very, very overwhelming for me to the point where when I would go to the grocery store, I would break down in tears because there was just food everywhere. And that, to me, was the enemy at the time. And when I got into recovery, they taught me the importance and the value of cooking. And repairing your relationship with food through that way. And I found that cooking gives me, I found that cooking just kind of helps build my relationship with food in a way that like, I trust the food and it's fun. Or say you don't have an eating disorder and you're not in recovery and you want recipes that are just easy and tips on how to, you know, how to get started in the kitchen. Like you could be that person too. Cooking has been so healing for me and my recovery. - It is, I always say this, especially when I have guests on, I always like to give flowers where they do. And I cannot thank you enough for being so open about your process and your recovery and what you went through because raising four girls in this world, it's important to have people who will speak up about those types of things that are impacting a lot of people oftentimes silently. So I really, really appreciate you not only creating this cookbook, but just even starting that conversation you being open to discussing it is so incredibly special for other people who are also going through it. So thank you. - Thank you so much for coming to chat. Once again, make sure you get your tickets to see Demi on her. It's not that deep tour. Go to demilevado.com/tour. You can also get her brand new cookbook on March 17th. - Thank you again. - Thank you so much. - This is so much fun. - Yeah, so much fun. - Thank you. - And that's a wrap on this week's episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Demi on my YouTube channel on Worship Monday. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode. Follow us on social @nglwithkiley for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not gonna lie, is a wave original brought to you by CVS Health. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all-day comfy grip. - Maybe it's Mavily.