Kylie & Caitlin Clark on WNBA Trash Talk, Playing for Philly in 2030 & Is Travis the Chiefs’ GOAT? | Ep. 87

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Learn more at coach.com. I'm happy you're finally on the right podcast. That's good. Now, who would you say are the toughest players for you to game plan against now? Oh, gosh. In the W, definitely Asia. Is Travis your favorite Chiefs player of all time? Come on. Of course. The best part about this final series is that the Valkyries are in it because, like, they've been a franchise for two years. I know you can't say, like, an enthusiastic yes. But, like, wouldn't it be fun to come to Philadelphia? Be on the team? Yes. Or, like, as a visitor? Thank you. Not going to lie, Halloween is over. But that does not mean that the holidays have started. Don't you dare put those Christmas trees out. We will give a Thanksgiving feast the respect it deserves. I think maybe I don't like putting them out so early because I leave them up for so long. One year, I didn't take the stockings off. I didn't put them on the top of the mantel until the following Christmas. Well, that was a confession I didn't think was coming out in that rant. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to a very special, very athletic, very tall edition of Not Gonna Lie, a WAVE original brought to you by Xfinity. Why is this one so special? Why are we dropping a bonus episode on a Tuesday? The answer is simple, real ones. The top-requested guests puts out something extraordinary. We must jump at the chance to discuss that with them. That's right. Caitlin Clark is joining me. Yes. That's right. I am as shocked as you are. Has she been on the other podcast twice? Yes. Have we finally got her? Also yes. And why, you might ask? look at that stunning look at caitlin clark how do we keep falling face first into this it's crazy now caitlin clark will be joining me here in just a minute that's bananas to say but first i'll introduce the far less impressive person in this conversation exactly you're right yes it's me i'm your host kylie kelsey as of recently a soccer mom that's right wyatt and ellie are playing soccer why because that's the sport you start with gives you good field awareness gets you out in the grass nice fall weather vibes i got this real nice chair the one of the little folding chairs it can fit me and at least two other children which is necessary because they never stop touching you also proud women's basketball fan that's right i'm really excited about the w bringing a team to philadelphia in just a few years it's going to be an opportunity for us to not only cheer on the team but to be tough on them as well because that's what we do as philadelphia fans and lastly in response to all the comments left on jason sumo wrestling video i have no choice but to address this matter um yes i knew my husband was going to sumo wrestle and yes i figured that he would be committed to the bit but i didn't know that we would see quite so many bits i enjoy that the other podcast got so many comments on the clip discussing this that jets jake otherwise known as the voice of the other podcast social media actually had to tag me in a comment that said that i was going to be tagging at kai kelsey that's hilarious but i will say we did get oh oh oh see this is how you know your algorithm is working over time because i didn't see these comments apparently someone named sloan said why is jason sumo wrestling so sexy no it's not sloan not to you that's an inside thought that you let your fingers let out wrong someone else said he's caked not gonna lie hashtag wrestled at first of all including ngl and not gonna lie in that statement wrong also you are lying my husband has a little chicken ass that's what i call it i will continue to call it that even though he is completing squat tober as we speak someone else said look at that dumper oh you guys are confused let me explain to you what wyatt has recently discovered after watching mom squat she said when you bend down your butt spreads so it's just that he's bent down in his butt spread how about that oh thank you queen emma for drawing attention um that person did have a drool emoji with their comment so i'm gonna need you to wipe that off for me i'm gonna need you to wipe that off for me i'm gonna need you to wipe off your face and keep it moving let's see who else had something to say someone said at kai kelsey it's you verse one of us next oh lacy i don't know if you like pancakes but you're about to be one you guys better get the fuck up out of these comment section i mean come on i don't know how many times i have to i have to say this it is mine mine m-i-n-e mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine look while you can people you know what marvel at the greatness that is my husband's physique move on okay now i like that most people thought of me when they saw this that's what i want i want you to remember this face when you see that ass okay someone said ncl with kylie i cannot wait for your commentary and and also please discuss the wax job give him hell so this um i know nothing about a wax job this time around there have been other times where i knew about the wax job um specifically because the last time my husband got a wax it was for the speedo last year at the od i think that's the one and only time he's been waxed to that extent but i could be wrong i don't know ask him why are you asking me i don't i'm not responsible for the grooming of that man anyway well now that that's been addressed let's shift gears completely to something and someone extraordinary today's very special guest and our main event queen emma bring her in i'm happy you're finally on the right podcast that's good i've been on the other podcast twice now i know it's seriously it was like about time i'm very very grateful that you um first of all made the time for us but second wrote this incredible book so do you have one uh yes i do cool cool cool you can bring it to the kids you're damn right i will i'm really trying to talk them in to be hoopers yeah um because between my husband and i like they have to be big like we're just like on the block come on i would love them to but i'm not the person to advocate for that because i opted out of basketball did you i did my dad did you play at all yeah well i played i was little but my dad he's six foot nine and so he was like he cemented the hoop in the backyard and everything he tried his damnedest and it didn't girls could be tall they could be really tall i mean my husband you've seen him six three i'm five 11. So we might, we might, I mean, everybody jokes around. If we have one more, we'll have a starting five. And like, I wouldn't be mad about it. That's funny. But I really hope they are basketball players. Cause I feel like it's such a bad-ass for it. And I wish I had stuck with it. I went the wrong direction. I'm going to read your intro and then we'll get into the thick of it. Let's see if I can read a sentence today. She's your 2024 number one overall pick in the WNBA draft, 2026, all WNBA first team, three-time all-star NCAA division one, all-time scoring leader, time athlete of the year, WNBA rookie of the year, starting point guard for the Indiana fever, a friend of the family, chief super fan. She's officially an author. And now she's not going to lie. Caitlin Clark, welcome to the show. Let's go. Oh God. You put some important stuff in there. I have chief stuff in my office. I don't know if you can see. Of course. Of course you do because you're a real fan. I will say, obviously have been a huge fan of watching you come up and really make a huge splash in college, but then also your transition to the W. It is such a pleasure to watch really like the boom of women's sports right now. But you and your teammates leading that is so much fun to watch and then get to be like a part of that fandom right now. What I will say, speaking of fandom, one of the things that really struck a chord with me, I believe you went to the Colts game. I did. I usually try to make it to like one Colts game a year. I have to support obviously like just the hometown team, but it's not, it's not the same level of fandom. Okay. Yeah. So I, I actually, do we have, do we have a picture or a clip? This, this was the moment. I'm like all of the other accolades, all the things we just listened. I'm like, you're incredible. The moment you wouldn't put on a Colts Jersey. I was like, my girl, I have to be loyal. Yes, you do. Thank you for saying that. Um, did you catch a lot of shit for that? Honestly, like in real time, I wasn't like thinking like, Oh, I'm not going to put this on because I don't want like the chiefs fans mad or Travis mad or whatever. But, and after the fact, all my, I didn't realize what my teammates had. So that made me look worse, but whatever. I still have the Jersey. It's cool. They put my name on it. You know, let me be clear. There is not a negative thought in my mind about that interaction and you're not putting on that Jersey. I, to be fair, I've caught a lot of shit for not putting the red on. Yeah. I mean, and I, and I love the Colts. Like I loved it. I think it's so cool that you're say daughters and what they do, like women's sports, like they're just all kind of like bad-ass and, um, you know, I know them pretty well. I know the youngest daughter pretty well. Um, so I think they're, they're pretty awesome in the way, obviously they get to run the team now as somebody that, you know, I would love to own a team or be able to be like, if I didn't, if I wasn't a basketball player, I think I would still like work in sports. And like, I think working in like a front office type of deal would be super fun. So I think they're super cool. And they have young daughters as well that sometimes come to the fever games and that's just been super cool. So getting to watch them from a distance has, has been awesome. And, you know, I want the, I want the chiefs or I want the chiefs to do well. I want the Colts to do well. It was tough when they played each other in week two and week two this year. So that made me a little anxious, obviously, you know, it was going to, I was honestly thankful it wasn't in Indianapolis. Cause I'm like, I feel like I can't go like, I can't wear chief stuff, but be in Indianapolis. So it was in Casey. I didn't go to it, but I was watching on TV, but no, I mean, I wish them the best, the Colts, but I am diehard chiefs. I've been diehard since I was a young kid and it is what it is. Don't worry. Our real one listeners are well versed in the idea of, I love supporting this team over here and they're amazing. But if it comes down to this or that, you know who it is every time. Exactly. And that's okay. Cause honestly, like speaking of the Earth's safe family, like you're talking about, like they have to have respect for the fact that you're that much of a diehard chiefs fan. Yeah. There are Colts fans that do that. Yeah. There's pictures of me, like as a young kid, like in a full, like pink chiefs fit Bob cut, you know, raised in it. Yeah. I, I mean, I like grew up two and a half hours from the stadium. So it was like always a once a year trip. I went with my cousins. We were probably in the nose bleeds and the chiefs were not very good when I was a young kid. So it's been fun to like, see all the success that they've had. And it's made for a lot of like fun moments, even for, you know, my family and I getting to watch them. Now we, we mentioned the other podcast when we first started chatting and on the other podcast, I think you got to meet our oldest daughter because you sent a pop a shot. Yeah. It's still in our living room. Are they working on their game? Come on. As a great living room decor. Yes, they are working on their game. It it's here's the thing. We have the clip. We'll, we'll show it to you just because, well, she's adorable. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. In a princess. Let's see. Let's balance the dogs also in the way, like how chaotic could we make it? Nice job. Buckets in the dress. I love it. Do you think based on this, this interaction and also how large her parents are, do you think we have a chance? Maybe she's a baller. WNBA bound, I think. Thank you so much for saying that. That's all I needed to see. All I needed to see. Um, I, what would you, what advice would you give me in trying to encourage my girls to play basketball? Because I'm trying to be subtle about it. What sports do they like right now? Or like they even into sports? So our third, it's questionable whether she's going to play sports. She wears a string of pearls. Oh really? She's like, she's an old soul. Yeah. Um, I also are playing soccer just because I feel like that's really good. That was my first sport too. It's easy. I feel like it's everyone's. Field awareness, team sport. Go run out around on the grass. Exactly. Figure it out. Blow the stink off yourself. Go try and chase it down. Um, so they've started with that. We've done a little gymnastics, but that's going to be short lived cause they're going to be enormous. Um, and I say enormous in the most positive way. Yeah. Um, we have, my husband really wants them to try ice hockey. I would love some ice hockey. I would love selfishly for them to play some field hockey, but we haven't quite gotten there yet. Yeah. Um, but they have gone to a basketball camp cause our nanny played basketball. So she tries to help us in this sort of encouragement. Um, and they enjoy that. Are they excited about it? They liked it? They loved basketball. Ooh. I know. I like it. I'm trying to be cool about it. You got to bring them to a game. I feel like that's like what gets kids like excitement is like when they like come to like a game and they're like, Oh wait, I want to actually do that. I think sometimes it's hard, like watching on TV when you're a younger kid. But, um, I definitely grew up playing soccer first and I honestly love soccer, but more than anything, I would just say, make them like try as many things as they possibly can. Cause that's what I did growing up. Like I did like track, I did softball, I did soccer, I did basketball. Yep. I wanted to try anything so I could like figure out what I really liked. And then I even played soccer through high school too, as well. So, yeah, that's a good idea. So, I think it's, I don't know. Basketball is probably like hard when you're like five. And you can't reach the hoop. Everybody's just like running with the ball. Like it's hard to dribble, hand-eye travel. A lot of traveling. That's the thing about like soccer. It's like you just run and then you like try to kick it and it might go in and might not, but. It might fall on your face. Yeah. But it's fun for the parents to watch. It is. It is. And I think soccer like certainly helps me with basketball, like understanding angles and like. Yup. It's probably like the same with like you playing field soccer. It's probably the same with like you playing field soccer. It's like you playing field hockey, like when you like pass and like different things like that, like just trying to like get open, like it's understanding like all of that. And then that plays into each other. So, but I know, I mean, they'll figure it out. I hope so. As long as one of them, as long as one of them likes basketball, we'll call it a win. See, I always tell people I played the odds. We have four daughters. One of them's bound to play field hockey. And at this point, one of them's bound to play basketball. I'm kind of. And then one will probably also hate sports. So that's just how. A thousand percent. How it works out. She's already showed her cards, so I'm not pushing that one. Yeah. That's funny. Um, I will say in, in the idea of taking them to a game recently, my own mother-in-law had the absolute pleasure of coming to watch you guys play. She did. And she came to a good one. She might be a good luck charm. Like she's, I told her afterwards, I'm like, Donna, you're invited back. Like, Do you know, Donna's been told that so many times. I don't know, but no, she said she had a lot of fun. Uh, that was the game. I wore the friendship bracelet shoes too. So it worked out well, but she had a good spot. It was fun. It was, it was our last win before we played it. We had took a break for the FIBA world cup. So, um, it was fun having her. This makes me feel a little bit of pressure. Cause my next question was, can I come to Indiana? Yeah, we got tickets waiting. We've been waiting. My concern is, is that now that you've called Donna a good luck charm. Yeah. Well, it might be like you're one and only if it doesn't go. And here's the deal. I'm superstitious enough that I would be the first person to be like, Hey, actually guys, it's time to go. I actually, I'm not. never see you here again it's been great thanks for having me come to another game you probably just can't come back exactly another city find me on the road another city exactly perfect the w is coming to philadelphia in 2030 now we've got some time not that much time but we've got time do you number one have any suggestions about a name because this has been a hot topic in our house a name a name have you heard any of the prospects i'm not going to really put you on the spot here because what are the ideas what do we got um there's been like i think the bells has been a big one like the liberty bells yeah um but i think there was an au team when i was there is growing up there is it still exists yeah they were like one of the first like really really really good women's au programs when i was growing up i played them all the time they're on the nike circuit they had they've had a lot of really good players i think that would be that would be a good one i don't know if the au team would like that but i feel like they'd be a little ticked yeah they might be um i'm advocating for philadelphia broads oh broad street is our main drag right through the middle of the city it's like our parade route for any like championships all that stuff and i just think it's like kind of rough around the edges like philadelphia yeah you know what i mean philly has like such rich tradition in women's basketball too like i'd imagine like these games are going to be what it's 2030 like and the new arena will be done by then like it's going to be crazy i think just the excitement level for the for that team i know you can't say like an enthusiastic yes but like wouldn't it be fun to come to philadelphia and not just not be on the team or like as a visitor thank you yes i mean it could be really this is actually shocking i've really never spent much i knew you were gonna say that i knew that in my heart yeah i've only been there one time and it was for a doctor's appointment at the vincera institute so we love dr myers and yeah dr myers is great um and then jason and travis have both been hit up by doctor yeah and then i got a cheesesteak and then i left so i mean let me come experience the city first you can sell it to me this is actually honestly caitlin this is great because there have been people who have asked this question too and they have been to philadelphia and they have been here slightly too long where it has tainted their vision of the city and i think that i could skew you in the right direction all right i trust you okay and like the thing about philadelphia sports is like i love how passionate the fans are like they're crazy but oh i think it's awesome like we're back philly's fans and eagles fans um sixers fans like they all seem kind of nuts but i love it like i love that fandom like they want to win just as much as the players do possibly more honestly yes possibly more so speaking of the sixers uh i did see that you met up with lebron yeah i'm assuming this isn't the first time you guys met no i've met lebron many times before but he gave me his signed game worn sixers jersey so i don't really like want like that many people's like signed jerseys but like that's one where i'm like that'll be getting framed send it to the framer exactly asap yes but no that was that was super cool um and it's like it's crazy like i can't believe that bron's on the sixers like that's wild and actually the sixers coach is from iowa originally so like i've always kind of known who he is um he grew up in carroll iowa um and actually des moines iowa has a g league team and he actually started the team like he pitched it to all these like wealthy businessmen all around the des moines area he's like let's bring a g league team here that's kind of how he became who he is and won a championship in toronto with the raptors and now he's the coach of the sixers and he's from iowa so even more reasons to come to philadelphia yeah to enjoy the city would you ever come and watch a sixers game in philly i would love to yeah maybe i need to experience the fans of clubs okay yeah you need to see what they're all about here the best part is is i say that so confidently because i know for a fact like if they put your face on the jumbotron at a sixers game would they boo me or were they we would bring the house down okay because here's the thing because we don't have a w team yet and you have not declared yourself against us yeah i haven't we still get to say you're with us yeah you can claim me and that is all of philly that is the psychopath mentality of philly i love it it's it's how we function um now back to the w for a minute the finals just wrapped up by the end of this episode dropping and all year viewership records were broken again and again what's it like to be part of the group of women that's moving the sport forward like this yeah i mean i think it's just like super cool and even when i was in college like i think you don't always realize like how many people like are actually watching and turning on the tv and like for me like when i kind of fully realized it was when i would see like the numbers up against like you know masters weekend or uh other college basketball games like obviously we can't really compete with the mfl that's a different beast but uh even like mlb games or other nba games like the amount we're drawing on like a consistent basis is is pretty incredible and especially when we're on like you know mbc and abc and espn like we have really really great numbers so um it's just been fun like it's been consistent there's been a consistent growth about it and um people like always ask me like where i think it's gonna go i'm like i really think we're scratching the surface and obviously like we've talked about like we're only adding more teams and you know it's it's becoming more and more fun we'll play more games like next year we're going from 44 games to 50 games i think like the next step after that like right now the playoffs are like a three game series and a five game series and a seven game series so like that probably needs to change like a three game series is a little bit silly in my opinion it could probably be five five seven or five seven seven just so it feels like you're getting like a real like series and like a real battle between those two teams so um but no it's it's been it's been fun and it's been you know cool just to see all the fandom and people love it and it seems like when people like turn on the tv and watch once they kind of get hooked and you know they want to watch more game six is currently happening yeah i was looking at the score on my phone we're probably going to be able to see the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the score on the game seven in the w history how cool is it to see the competition reach this level and it's it's super cool and i think like the best part about this final series is that the valkyries are in it because like they've been a franchise for two years like i don't think people realize how ridiculous that is that they've been able to put together a roster and run an organization as well as they have and for natalie their coach to get everybody to buy in to get everybody to believe and um you know they have really really really talented players but at the same time like on any given night any of them can have you know 20 points and be the star and it seems like nobody's bothered by that like that's just how they are they're a close-knit team so i think that's like the coolest storyline of this finals is just what golden state's been able to to do and you know such a short period of time like two years and to be playing in the finals like that's a win in itself so um not many of you know that's a win in itself so i think that's a win in many expansion teams can can have those sort of expectations but i remember their owner at like when they were going through like i don't know like their announcement of becoming a team like he literally said on stage like we're gonna win a championship in five years or less and i was like manifesting at its finest i was like i love that and here we are like two years later i'm like well do i love that because i'm not playing but they are but that's still awesome like good for them but no it's been cool i do think it's really cool to see like the beginning of this boom right now that people at the beginning some would say the haters were saying like this is bound to drop off like this is just another another surge like it it very much had this sense of just wait a minute and it'll die back down and you guys are basically telling it those people to yeah because it really it it just continues like i said you're continuing to break record after record um now speaking of the competition on the court i have to say i do love trash talk i love it i never participated in it but i like hearing it and i like enjoying other people doing it trash talker i was not i was silent i was silent i would i would smile or laugh those were my only two reactions that's how you should be um now you're underrated in your trash talk is this correct see people like always think that i'm like a trash talker i don't even think i really am like i don't like you talk to me i don't really like to talk trash like it's like i don't really say anything to people like i feel like i only get like really hyped like when like say i make like three threes in a row i'm like oh yeah like you can't guard that or like something like that but like in a fun way like there was a clip that went viral last year when we played the liberty and i made a three over stewie and like me and stewie we just both started laughing. 'Cause it was funny, those are the fun moments. I don't really like trash talk like that, honestly. I mean, if somebody says something to me, I'll probably go back. Honestly, the people I talk to the most is the refs, which I need to do better at. So maybe I should chill on that a little bit. No, I love the competitive spirit of everybody in the league. When you hear trash talk, is there someone that you do think of? People don't really talk trash to me. What a flex! I don't think. People don't talk trash to me. They know it's only going to piss me off and make their day worse. Yeah, I like that, to be honest. I want you to say something to me. And I try to honestly do my best to just act like I can't hear. I love that. I think that's funny. Like, oh, shoot, I can't hear. I have really bad hearing to start with, so I just act that way. Sure, I do. I promise. I promise. I've ruptured my ear drums multiple times. So you get permanent hearing loss. But no, I just try to act like I can't hear. And then they're like, that makes me more mad. So that's just what I try to do. I think that's why I enjoyed a good smile or a laugh. Because it only pissed them off more. That's what you should do. Yeah, it feels good that way. Keep it focused. That's it. I will say, I went to the Sixers game and had the opportunity to sit courtside, which was a fascinating experience. Listening to the amount of shit that was said. It is an unreal experience, but it's also hilarious. It was. It was so funny. The amount of chatter that was happening on the court. I was like, there was one moment, I don't even know what was said to make him say it, but LeBron was preparing for a free throw and literally went, I'm 42, man. And then literally just put the ball up. And I was like, what's happening out there? What are you guys doing? A lot. A lot. A lot. A lot was happening. Now, I'm not sure if you saw this at the time. I had Don Staley on, which was incredible. Much like all of my other guests, including you. No clue why she came here, but she came and it was lovely. She told me you were the toughest player to game plan for in the NCAA. Did you see that quote? I think I saw that. What does that mean coming from someone like Don Staley? Man, well, I honestly just like, I didn't even know what I was going to do half the time. So it kind of makes sense. I was just trying things. But obviously it's super cool. I mean, what she's been able to do is. She's been able to win the South Carolina and, you know, the amount of championships that they've won and the amount of really talented players that she's, you know, been able to bring there and then put into the league. And obviously, like we talk about Philly and the rich tradition and women's basketball, like she's up there with the best of them. So, you know, it speaks to her and what she's been able to do. And honestly, her staff, too. Like, she has a great staff at South Carolina. And, you know, we beat them my junior year and then obviously lost my senior year in the national championship. They got a little bit of a revenge on us. But no, those battles were always fun. Honestly, like the 40-point triple-double, I think it was a triple-double or maybe it was just 40 points. I don't remember. But my junior year was probably one of the most fun games I've ever played in. And just the team and the amount of talent that they had was, I remember, so this was in Dallas my junior year. I remember they ran out on the court and I, like, looked at them and I, like, turned to one of my teammates and I was like, I was like, they're enormous. I'm like, this is going to be a long night. And we somehow, like, managed. We managed to, like, find a way to win. I think we were, like, a 10.5-point underdog. It was kind of crazy. But I think in college, like, and it's even basically the same professionally. Like, we didn't, like, run, like, plays. Like, we kind of just, like, played off of each other and we cut and we screened. So, like, it's not, like, something you can, like, almost prepare for in a way because you don't know what we're going to do. And then on top of that, I kind of just did whatever. So, and it would usually work out pretty well. But, no. It's super cool. And I obviously respect Coach Staley a lot. So, it was cool that she said that. Oh, gosh. I think that would probably be everybody's answer. Like, she's, like, so difficult. Just her size, her physicality, her athleticism. She can make a mid-range jump shot super consistently. She can stretch the floor when she wants to. And she can finish around the rim really well. So, probably that. And, like, she's one of those players, like, I think especially because that's who we lost to this year in the first round. It's, like, one of those where, like, when you let a player like that see the first couple baskets go in, like, it's, like, ah. Like, it's going to be a long night. Like, you're going to have 30. Like, it is what it is. So, that's, like, what we did well in Game 2, the game that we won. Like, we made it difficult on her from the start. And then in Game 1 and Game 3, it was, like, she kind of just had her way. And it was what it was. You know, it's usually she's going to get. What she gets. And you kind of have to try to limit everybody else. But I would say probably her. And then I honestly see this answer a lot from a lot of other players in the league. Like, people think that my teammate, Kelsey Mitchell, is one of the hardest players in the league to guard just because of her speed. And the way she finishes around the rim and shoots the ball. So, but I would say for us, like, our team, like, definitely Asia. Now, expanding the league, obviously, is one way to grow the game. I think fans are also loving the Team USA content. You guys just won gold at the FIBO. World Cup. Does that get you even more excited for L.A. 2028? Oh, yeah. Like, that's obviously the goal. To play in the Olympics in 2028. And I think for also it to be on, like, our home soil. Like, that's a once. And not many people ever get that chance. First of all, not many people get to play in the Olympics. And then for the Olympics to be, you know, on home soil is pretty ridiculous. And I've been telling a lot of people, like, I feel like women's basketball has a chance to, like, really be, like, the premier sport. Of that Olympics. Like, obviously, all the sports are great. And everybody gets excited about it. And men's basketball always. But, like, I think women's basketball, like, it will probably be one of the hardest tickets of that Olympics. Just because I think the excitement and the growth of the game. And even the growth of the game internationally. Like, it's not, like, it's not a cupcake. It's not like a walk to the finals for the United States anymore. Like, these games are really hard. Like, you see it in the NBA with the amount of international talent. Like, really great. Great European players coming over. And it's the same in our game. Like, it's only expanding more and more. Great German players. Great Spanish players. France is obviously really, really good. There's just so many great teams now. Like, it's tough to win. And the international game is so different than the game we play in the WNBA. So, you know, it's super exciting. Obviously, I hope I'm there in 28. And, you know, I feel like the talent of, you know, the United States roster and the amount of great American players we have right now is maybe the best it's ever been. So, we'll be a tough roster to make. But that's certainly the goal. Shout out to our friends over at Xfinity for sponsoring today's special episode. 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The sausage McMuffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just $5. Only at McDonald's for a limited time. Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing. Now, one of the things we mentioned at the top was that there's a lot of people who are your book that you wrote. Oh, yeah. I know one way to my girls hearts and really kids. Like I always tell people, you don't need to, um, you don't need to bring gifts when you come to our house. You really just like, if you come in, you sit down and you offer to like, read our girls a book. They will be like forever. All right. I'll come read them this book. Like genuinely we have like, obviously family will come and they'll bring this and they'll bring that. But like it, when you come and you sit down and you read a book, I think it's like, I don't know, I don't know. It's like one of the best ways to connect with, to connect with kids. They have the opportunity to ask questions, learn, and your new children's book is like the best example of that. It is called extraordinary, a little extra to reach big dreams. First of all, adorable. Yeah. It's a illustrations. It's officially out today, November 3rd. So you can get your copy now. Um, first of all, like what an incredible story. Um, I heard that you got this based on, uh, a mirror in your childhood bedroom. Yeah. And like this mirror that's on like the second page or was it the third page? Like that photo, that's actually the mirror that's on my childhood bedroom back home. And it's still there actually. My parents sold the house. Yeah. So it's still there. Um, my parents had this made before I actually was even born. So like something that I feel like is super, like one of the best pieces of my childhood. That I've like always had with me. And like, hopefully at one point I'll be able to give that to my kids or, you know, whatever it is. But I feel like a lot of it is so true in my life. Like that was just like how I was raised, like to do a little extra treat people with extra kindness, like do an extra rep when I was, you know, working on my, you know, game when I got older and I was in college, like that's always what it was. But I think at the same time, like I had really great examples of that in my life, like my parents and, um, you know, they were, you know, obviously you know, they were like, you know, you're going to have to do this, do this, do that, do that. But like when they actually see it every single day and like, I saw it every single day, by the way, my parents lived and they both worked really hard and they, they raised us in the right way. And I had two brothers that picked on me all the time. So, um, but no, it's, this was super fun to write and the illustrations are awesome. Like, I feel like a lot of the creativity and childlike spirit that I still have as I'm 24, like have come to life in this. So it's been a really fun project. And, um, you know, if I was going to write a book, obviously I was going to start with a children's book. Like that's what I'm super passionate about is like just inspiring the next generation. And, um, you know, as a young kid, I grew up always receiving a book on Christmas Eve for my mom. And like, that was always like kind of started like my, my joy of reading. I don't read quite as much as I probably should these days. Life gets busy, but, um, like those are some of my favorite gifts over the holiday season that I've ever got. My mom would always write a note to me and my brothers on the inside of a book. And a lot of those books are like, I'm going to write a book about Christmas. And I'm like, I'm going to I still have on even my bookshelf that are under this mirror back home. So, um, I know this holiday season, I'll definitely probably like be writing people notes on the inside of this book, whether you're, whether you're 50 and you have young kids, I'll still give you one or two young individuals. Like I have a lot of like cousins that are now having children and things like that. And even like coaches that are having young children, like just to be able to give them this and something that they can hold onto. Like it's, it's just really fun and obviously very different than basketball, but it's, it's been really fun. I think it's, uh, it's funny. You say that you don't read as much as you probably should. I am not like a, I'm not a novel reader. I'm not like a long book reader. Occasionally I will listen to a book. If it's something that I really like someone I really, really want to hear from. I love children's books. Like we have so many in our house. It's kind of embarrassing, but when you find ones with a great storyline, something that like specifically the rhyming from the parents, from all the parents, thank you because it does, it does make it easier. Um, and it makes it flow a little bit better and you can be a little more playful with it. And there's a little more whimsy to it. And it's, I'm, I'm so excited to share this book with our girls. Cause I'm absolutely certain. It's just like you said, another way for you to be able to inspire the youth because you're already doing it on the court. And now you're able to show like books, reading literacy. You have it all right here. Um, now, now I do have to ask what other memorable things did you have in your bedroom growing up? Were you a posters girl? Did you have like, did you have like a heart throb up? Like what was, what was going on? My whole bedroom was North Carolina theme. I was a huge North Carolina fan. One because I loved me a ham. Like I loved, I was a huge me a ham fan. And then number two, I loved North Carolina basketball. Like they were the best when I was growing up and playing and Harrison was the best when I was growing up and playing and Harrison was the best when I was growing up and obviously like Iowa only had so many like good male hoopers come out of there. Like a, you weren't like a McDonald's all American. And you usually weren't making it to the NBA. Like here and there, we just certainly had those players, but it was fun as a young kid getting to grow up. And he was like the number one recruit coming out of high school. I remember my dad took me to watch him play in the state tournament. That was like, I got to go watch basically LeBron at that point. That's what I thought I was doing. And so my whole room was North Carolina growing up and my mom has neutral colors, but it was lame. It was baby blue and baby blue and Navy for a really long time. And baby blue is still my favorite color, but, um, North Carolina women's basketball program was never like huge. They were like kind of getting rebuilt when I was getting recruited. They're, they're good now. So like, I never really looked there as a player. And I, even if I was looking there, I probably wouldn't have ended up going there just because I wanted to stay closer to home. Um, but yeah, that's why I didn't look there as a, as a, as a recruit coming out of college. So it was kind of funny. I looked at Duke more than I looked at North Carolina, which was like, wow, sacrilegious. Yeah, literally. Um, now you, you keep like you talking about individuals from Iowa, your love of Iowa. Um, it's reminding me that I'm pretty sure I signed someone's ass from Iowa. Do you remember this at the, at beer, at beer bowl? Jason was someone's ass. That's crazy. But I remember it because they were, I'm pretty sure they were, I'm, I'm going to mess this. If it's not Iowa, I'm going to be really disappointed in myself. Iowa has a really good field hockey program. They do really good, which is, which is extremely rare for that far for that region of the United States. Cause I like field hockey was not a thing. Like that was not an option. I didn't know anybody that played field hockey. And then I got to college and it was like all these girls from out East, Pennsylvania, New York. Yep. Exactly. And they were like, so good. And actually my roommate, my freshman year, I was supposed to be with a field hockey player, but then COVID happened. So we got split up, but yeah, field hockey was a huge deal. So a little bit, I went to quite a few games. Actually you coach high school, don't you? I still coach high school. How does that go? Um, I love it. I love time for that. That's a great question. I'd love to tell you, or do you, or is it so you can get away from it? Like Jason and the kids, it's like your escape. I'll tell you what it is. I haven't had a fall without field hockey, either playing or coaching since I was in seventh grade. So I can't do my fall would be like, I'd be like, I don't know what to do with myself. Do you yell at the girls or what? Like what's your coaching mentality? Um, I have very strong expectations. The good news is I've been in the, I've been in the position that I'm in for quite some time. So they, we have a lot of, um, we have a lot of interaction between the JV and varsity. Like we function as one unit. So I know my girls from when they're freshmen to when they're seniors and we're not like out here winning championships. A lot of my girls come out because they want a sport on their resume to college. And, and I understand that, but I also recognize like everything I got from team sports and how that's helped me in life. And so I want to help them have those skills of just like, learning how to play on a team, working towards a common goal, being respectful respectful of your teammates, even if you're not best friends, like all of those things will follow them through life. And I want to make sure that it's tough. Um, the thing I do want to ask you about is the shoes. How could we forget about those? Well, I can't forget about them because ever since I received a pair, thank you for that. Let's go. What color do you have? Were they blue? Blue? Probably. Yeah. I'm going to be honest with you. You're probably the first one else. I, the texture on them. Insane. It is insane. Especially when you see it up close, like a picture is one thing, but like actually it doesn't do it justice. Seeing it up close and also like getting to put your hands on it. Insane. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. We need to get you like the pink ones though, or the purple ones, like a little bit more of like a girly color, but like, okay. They'll not to be girly, but like to be kind of like bad boss. Exactly. For sure. Um, now it was the largest signature shoe launch in Nike history. The Caitlin one was available in 5,000 retail stores, twice the average for a Nike basketball signature shoe, male or female. That's insane. The Caitlin one sold out everywhere within two hours. All of them. That's insane. It's hard. Like I feel bad. People are like, oh my God, I don't know. I don't feel bad. People are like, I need some shoes. I'm like, so do I guys. So do I. You're like, I'd love to give you shoes. It's been fun. It's been really fun. That is okay. First of all, we're seeing so many people wearing them, including some NBA players now. How does it feel to have such strong support from everyone? And also even like the men wearing them? Like how cool is that? It's so cool. I mean, like, I don't think I've ever like dreamed of like having a shoe. I don't think I've ever dreamed of having a shoe. I don't think I've ever dreamed of having a signature shoe and like having your own basketball shoe, which is like kind of crazy because like as a basketball player, like that's the only thing you ever want, like a bat, your own basketball shoe. But when I was growing up, it was like only, only men had their own signature shoe. Like that wasn't really a thing. Like there were some, you know, women's basketball players here and there that had theirs, but you know, not to the level that you're seeing now between like me and, you know, Asia has her own shoe and Sabrina has her own shoe. And then there's quite a few others that are with different brands, but you know, there's like, I, I always wanted to be with Nike, like Nike's marketing's the best there, you know, their technology that they put in the shoe and, you know, making sure it's the best product so you can perform at the highest level. But I think for myself, like what you get, like the product you get, like, it's all like, I'm behind it. Like it is like, I don't know if every signature athletes that way, but for me, like I wanted people to feel like I put a lot of time and effort into this and like, you know, what I wear and what I'm, you know, trying to get my shoes on. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to get out of the shoes, what the consumer is going to get at the same time. And I think it's like, honestly, kind of similar to like how I feel about the book. Like, I feel like, like my child, like creativity kind of comes through. Like there's so many shoes that are just bright colors and very vibrant and it's fun. And like, it's a little bit different than what you've seen before, but at the same time, it's like, oh, that's like, that's a, that's a basketball shoe. And it's a really great basketball shoe. And I think like one of the biggest compliments I've got from like people that don't play basketball that are wearing it. They're like, dang, this is like a really I'm like, yeah, I know I told you. So, um, it's just been super cool and super fun. What were some of the non-negotiables for that design process? Like what were things that you were like, this is something I feel really strongly about. I mean, the designers probably think I'm very hard to work with because I was always like, good, like, no, I'm like, no, I want this or like, no, I don't like that. Like, sorry, like try again or whatever. But when we first, like, cause one side of the shoe is C's and the other side of the shoe is like twos of that like first, like came up with that idea. I think they were all like, well, we've never done something like that. Like, I don't know how we're going to make that come to life. Cause you need, like, we're producing so many shoes. Like you got to be able to make this and make it affordable to buy for the consumer, but also for the company to make and also for it to look cool and for it to even be able to be made. And then also to be able to play in it. So like, there's so many boxes you have to check. But when we first came up with that idea, I was like, Oh, like this, we might be on the right track here. And then obviously when I saw it, I was like, yeah, I'm going to this is, this is the one. And I think when the, the, cause the blue photo was the first photo that came out and I think people were like really excited and they were like, Oh my gosh, this is great. But then as I continued to wear more colorways through the season, a lot of which aren't even out yet, which will become, you know, as we go through December and then into the new year, a lot more will come to market. But I think now that people like actually have it and have it up close, like you said, like, they're like, dang, like this is cooler than a photo looks or a video looks. So, um, it's been, it's been really fun. And there's so many more colorways and colors coming to life that I didn't even know you could put on a shoe. And I said, I always told them stuff from like, even like two years ago when we started like coming up with ideas and they were like, just trying to understand like my style and what I wanted. And you know, you do like these, you make like boards of like materials you like and colors you like. It's like, they were all insane. Like I was like, I want to go insane. I want the colors insane. I want the material insane. I want reflective. I want metallic. I want glow in the dark. I want fuzzy laces. Like all this crazy stuff. So, um, yeah, it's been, it's been cool. Now I know you probably can't reveal this, but I'm going to ask anyway, we can bleep it. Just know that we love to bleep shit out of here. I'll tell you. Are there any new colors? Oh, next year. Okay. So next year I'll play the beginning of the season in the, in the Caitlin one and then we'll work into the Caitlin two. I'm already working on the Caitlin two. Um, and that one's it's good too. Um, I would not disappoint my fans. Okay. Um, I'm trying to think about like ones that are coming up. I think there's this one that's like kind of a summer vibe. It's like, you know, uh, like a, a rocket pop, like a rocket popsicle, like a bomb pop. It's like based off of that. And it's, it's really cool. I w I was about to wear it this year, but I didn't, I think I'm going to save it for next summer. So that'd be really fun. That'd be so bad-ass and like roll out for summer months. It's cool. And like, the sock liner is cool. Like there's little like pieces on it that are different. I'm trying to think about like other ones that we have. I mean, there's how excited you are about possibly maybe like a collab shoe with, um, another big Nike name people can guess. Oh, okay. A collab basketball shoe. That would be pretty cool. I'm sure that would be hard to get. Um, what else do we have? Oh, there's some fun ones actually coming up for NBA all-star, which will be in Phoenix this year. They always do like a, an all-star pack. Which some of them are harder to get. Some of them are easier to get. Um, but they have some really, really fun colors for those. Um, so people have to keep their eyes on those. Um, so everyone needs to keep their eyes peeled. Cause we got a lot coming. There's so many. And then there's one coming for the holiday season that I know people are really excited about that. I teased actually in an, when I first announced my shoe and Instagram dump, I put a, a Santa emoji over the shoe. So you couldn't see the shoe, but you knew it was like a Christmas theme one. Sure. So it's coming. It's, oh, it's month away. Come on. Okay. I like this. That's the problem. The chiefs ones come out December 21st. And then there's also the, the holiday special drop. So either save your money or pick one. I don't know. I think save your money and buy them both. Come on guys. Start saving now. Save now. Um, now we talked about my mother-in-law coming to a fever game earlier. Um, I, the, the W experience that I have had was a little W adjacent. I had the absolute pleasure of going to, uh, unrivaled when it came to Philadelphia. And I actually had the absolute pleasure when I had page backers on the show. I asked, we, we discussed our love of Shirley temples. And so I told her that when she came to Philadelphia for unrivaled, that I would deliver her a Shirley temple court side. Did you? I did. You followed through. I love it. I have to, I'm a woman of my word. Now, if I come to a fever game, what can I deliver to you? A warm chocolate chip cookie, not a warm oatmeal raisin cookie. Easy. Now warm chocolate chip cookie. Do you cook? Do you bake or not? Good God. No, I leave that up to other people who are way better at it. Um, I, I will say, I will take a warm toll house chocolate chip cookie. Even I'll accept that. That's easy. Okay. Done. I can get you. A better cookie than a toll house cookie, but yeah, sure. Question for you. Cause I feel very strongly about this flaky salt or no flaky salt. Flaky salt. Thank you so much for saying that someone recently going to eat the cookie without any, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to eat it. And I'm not going to complain next level. Come on. Right. Yeah. It adds something that I cannot explain. Okay. A warm chocolate chip cookie. I can't wait to give you a Philly cheesesteak. I mean, that's also easy, but I think that would be better if we just, I come to Philly, we do a Philly cheese. I agree with you. Well, we'll record it. We'll go to all the places. Every Philly cheesesteak shop can pitch us. They can tell us why it's the best and we'll review them. Honestly, this is great. Um, we, uh, I will say I am going to ask you for some advice on my shop though. All right. Okay. Cause it's garbage. I'll teach you. We'll work on it. You have your work cut out for you. the last thing I'm going to ask is um you've been to a lot of chief games and uh i won't tell travis either way but is travis your favorite chiefs player of all time come on of course he is i was like a tony gonzalez fan when i was growing up too but no travis definitely my favorite chiefs player of all time and patrick is right behind him so it's been very fun to follow kind of like aren't they so much fun to watch it's just like they just make it look so easy obviously this the seahawks game the other other week wasn't great for us but it's all right the seahawks are pretty good but it's been fun to kind of see them like to have the bounce back year that they have had obviously last year was tough with the injuries and everything but i'm feeling good about it this year chiefs super bowl 2027 isn't it's played in the new year so well i feel good about it i am so grateful to you i will tell you go chiefs um i cannot thank you enough for coming on today and remember real one parents grandparents aunts uncles make sure you go get caitlin's brand new children's book extraordinary out now go get it i appreciate you it was fun this was so much fun i am i the girls are gonna love this i can't wait i do think it's crazy that we haven't actually met in person do you know the number i know i feel like i have met you in a way though well the number of people who just say it to me and they're like yeah caitlin i'm like you keep using only her first name i haven't met her yet but maybe we'll see each other in philadelphia for some cheesesteaks exactly if i'm in philly we'll do the we'll do the cheesesteak review please tell me it'll be good content it will be such good content um this was such a pleasure thank you so much yeah thanks for having me i appreciate it and that's it for this special caitlin clark bonus episode of not gonna lie follow us on social media at ngl with kylie for clips throughout the week listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast reminder check out our brand new ngl fall merch collection available right now real ones go to ngl kylie dot com guys we heard you and we did it we got sma merch get your hands on some wear it to a business meeting out to dinner around your house send us pics of you in it though we'd love to know where you're saying sma in the wild seriously just tell people to suck your ass it's fun the rest of the collection is also great of course but there's literally a sweatshirt that says sma it's subtle enough to wear in front of kids and direct enough to get your point across you know what i mean that's how we like it not gonna lie is a wave original brought to you by xfinity i'll be back with a brand new episode this thursday that's right as in two days from now so make sure you check that out and thanks again to the real ones for tuning in wave pink panther s here coach and spotify are teaming up to bring music and style together and they want you to be part of it grab your friends and head to the tabby tour hitting cities around the country with live performances from special artists exclusive experiences and personalized products and discover custom playlists on spotify but just for you based on who you are and how you listen live your story with coach learn more at coach.com your sausage mcmuffin with egg didn't change your receipt did the sausage mcmuffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just five dollars only at mcdonald's for a limited time price and participation may vary promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing