Kyle Kulinski Will Not Rehabilitate Obama

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And then ComicDabesmith.com for all of me and Rob's gigs together. Okay, so let's get into today's show. Now, I do, I wanted to talk about, listen, I'm going to get into this first topic. It's a comment that was made by a political commentator, Kyle Kalinsky, who you may or may not be familiar with. And I've had a little bit of a feud going with this guy for a bit now, you know, whatever. But well, look, I don't want this to, you know, it's not the fact, I'm not trying to make the opening topic of the show. Something as petty as a feud that I'm having with another commentator. Although I will admit, you know, there's some stuff I want to say and you know what, I got a platform so I can say what I want to say. But I did just, I saw there was this video of his that went viral. I thought it was very interesting and it was something that I wanted to respond to. I kind of had a flippant response on Twitter and then he took a shot at May, but I just kind of thought there was enough substance here that it would be an interesting topic to bring to the show. So hopefully this isn't as petty as just kind of like a feud that I'm having with some guy. There's actually kind of a few issues that are really worth talking about that are kind of related to this. It relates to, you know, how we, how we feel about voting. It relates to the anti-war right and the anti-war left and the midterm elections. And I think it kind of relates to an effort to smear a certain faction who have voted for Donald Trump. And that's something I kind of wish to address all of that. Now, full disclosure, just to give you the background here, there's a look, I don't really have anything personal against Kyle Kalinsky. I think he's a little bit of a goof. He's got his opinions about me, whatever, it's fun. But you know, I never really liked the guy. I do really like his wife, so it's a little bit of a weird position. I really very much admire and respect Crystal. I love breaking points, I think that shows phenomenal. So anyway, I've never really liked the guy, but I like and respects his wife. And so I certainly wasn't going to say anything about it, about him. Um, look, he kind of used to be Rogan's guy and then I kind of became Rogan's guy and there was a little bit of a weird thing there. Rogan used to refer to Kyle as like his favorite political commentator and then I remember he started calling me that and then I don't know, he started having me on all the time. But from my perspective, I always kind of felt, I remember back in the day before I went on when Kyle used to always go on the show when Rogan was saying he was his guy. And I was always just kind of disappointed, like it was always, and I don't mean this even to be a dick, but it would always just be like he'd go on there and he just wouldn't really know what he was talking about. The thing I remember is that he used to always say, no, I disagree with Obama on his, uh, out of his foreign policy sometimes, you know, the drone bombing campaign and but, but then like didn't know any other information. Like that was the thing that people who didn't know anything, but kind of wanted to be anti-war set about, uh, Obama, by the way, that topic will come up again. Um, I remember there was this one, you know, he would go in there like he's the political guy who's there to kind of let, like let me let you know, Joe Rogan. I know you dabble in this a little bit, but I specialize in politics. So let me come on. And then they would like get into a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, I remember one particularly, they got into like a discussion about classical liberalism. Like it becomes up within like a minute, you're like, he just has no idea what classical liberalism is. He has no idea. He's totally caught red head. He's trying to explain it. They're pulling up a dictionary definition like so he would just go on and kind of shit the bed. Didn't really know stuff. But he was a big, you know, guy, I, he's done a ton of videos over me. I don't know how he's figured out the, the algorithm on YouTube, but he'll, he does videos that are just clips of this show or just clips of a thing and it's just like Dave's going off. And he doesn't even add anything. He just goes, Dave's going off. And it's got like 800,000 views, like, you know, anyway, this is neither here nor there. I'm sorry. I apologize. I am getting petty a little bit here. Anyway, he, I did their show once, I did Crystal and Kyle, Kyle and Crystal, whatever the show is. They're, he's an anti-war left guy. I have a good relationship with the whole breaking points crew. It is what it is. He's been going hard at Rogan ever since kind of Rogan stopped having him on. I've probably called him out for it a couple of times because it's pretty ridiculous. But it was, it was a few months ago that a bunch of people started sending me this clip. This is kind of when I took some shots at him, but I just want to say, let's play this clip. This was him just getting a question about me on some show. I don't know what show this is. Here was his, his thoughts just very generally after someone brought me up. Let's take a listen. Wilson, thanks for the five bucks. Why do so many people give Dave Smith so much praise? The only topic he's good on is Gaza. He's another meat riding Rogan/Trump Simp. I mean, you're exactly right. You're exactly right. I think the landscape on the right is so dire that anybody who's a libertarian and his manages to be right, like, even 20% of the time, people are like, oh my God. Thankfully, fucking somebody right of set is not a total psychopath. I really think that's where it comes from. It really is like the bigotry of low expectations. But yes, to your point, he does that thing. He always goes back to Trump, back to Trump, back to Trump. He'll be like, he should be in peace. And then like two weeks later, he's like, well, he's got a point on this thing or that thing. And Rogan too. I mean, just part of that Rogan sphere. So he's always going to meet Roy Rogan as well. But yeah, I agree with you. Just pause it for a second. So, okay, kind of unprovoked shot at me here. And again, just to the subset, the question was, why does so many people give day, then again, keep in mind, this is like a left wing show. So there's a left wing commentator asking a left wing host, why does so many people give Dave all this credit, where essentially the only thing he's good on is the wars. You know, like from a left wing perspective, I guess, maybe they'd said it's the only thing I'm good. I don't, probably not the only thing, but whatever, you get the point that they're making. Like, first of all, well, I think probably or at least of that reason is like even if you're going to say that I'm not good at anything, I'm not good on any topic except the wars. They're okay, but like I could, the reason a lot of leftists still love me, even if that's the only issue they like me on is because I'll prosecute the case better than 99% of you and motherfuckers well. So you'd rather have me in a debate, debating a pro-Israel guy or a pro, you know, a ran hawk or something like that, then 99% of your leftist buddies. So maybe that's part of it. But then Kyle goes, yeah, okay, essentially, what is this thing here that his criticism of me was that I, I'll criticize Donald Trump, but then I'll always run back to him. I'll criticize Donald Trump, but then I always come back to give him credit when he does something good. I just, I don't know who, who watches this show, thinks that's a legitimate criticism of me. I was like, how, how much have I been running back to Donald, like I guess if he does something I think is good, I'll mention that that thing is good, but really could you characterize this show since the 12-day war as anything other than pretty relentlessly trashing Donald Trump? That's just funny because the Trump supporters criticize me for doing nothing but trashing Trump. And he's criticizing me for constantly coming back to Donald Trump. And I'll just say the Trump supporters have a case he doesn't, like, yes, if you want to say I've been tragic, Donald Trump nonstop, okay, I can't really argue with you. if you want to say I kept running back to him, no, that's just stupid. And in terms of like, I'll always defend Rogan. Well, yeah. Yeah, I guess so. I guess I have defending Rogan. What's he done wrong? He's like, I don't know. What's I don't know. Yeah, I'm defending the guy. You're attacking the guy who's kind of like gave you a pretty huge opportunity for no real discernible reason other than like, what is the substance here? What, what should I be criticizing Joe Rogan about that I'm not? Well, it's just that I always run back to Trump when that's not true at all. All right, guys, let's take a moment and think our sponsor for today's show, which is Ridge. I love Ridge. Love the Ridge wallet. I've a, I've been a owner, a proud owner of a Ridge wallet for many years at this point. Holiday shopping is coming up before you know it. If you're looking for the person who's tough to get gifts for for this season, this is a great one. The Ridge wallet. If you yourself are interested in a new cool minimalist wallet, you should check it out as well. You don't need to have that old leather brick in your back pocket that we all grew up with for some reason or another. The wallet really is incredible. And it's very cool looking. It's a real conversation piece. 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And I've spoken up about a few times. This was really the reason why I wanted to do this on the show today, although there's a few other interesting avenues to go down here. But there has been a concerted effort and understandably to some degree, this is fair game. But there's been a concerted effort to, let's say, take down a peg, Rogan and the entire kind of what people might call the Rogan sphere, or at least certainly the elements of the Rogan sphere that were integral in helping Donald Trump. So this is people like Andrew Schultz and Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and guys like this, you know, and look, this is a part of this is to be expected. If you get involved in politics at this level, if you are actually, you know, platforming and influencing, you know, your platforming major candidates and influencing elections, you're getting into a game where people are going to come for you. And it's a, it's a pretty vicious game. But there's been this real effort to tarnish a lot of those guys. Now, obviously, I'm biased, these guys are my friends after all. But I just also think it's kind of unfair. And it's something I'd like to address. There's part of it is that they say, Oh, look at all the guys who voted for Donald Trump. Now much like at that comedy roast when they were making fun of a Tony hinge clip or, that wasn't the roast, but afterward, what's her name, crazy old drunk lady. She was saying, if she was saying Tony hinge cliff and Shane Gillis went to Riyadh and took the money and like, neither of them went, it doesn't really matter if you really went or didn't go, because they just, they have their ideas about you anyway. So it doesn't really matter that Andrew Schultz didn't vote for Donald Trump. You know, it's my part. It's just he had him on the show. It doesn't matter. But they're knocking everyone who voted for Donald Trump as if this is some, you know, big blemish on your track record. You really got it wrong. Now, obviously, Donald Trump has turned out to be a disaster and a lot of us did support him. So I'm not even saying, Oh, we didn't get that wrong. I'm happy to own that. But well, we could talk a little bit more about what exactly it is your owning. Also, just notice the sleight of hand here, as they're going to do this, they're going to try to downplay the crime of, let's say, voting for any of their leaders in the same way that the Russia gate hawks or the Russia gate perpetrators always had to kind of like rehabilitate the image of George W. Bush. Well, these guys who have to make Joe Rogan the worst guy in the world, they have to rehabilitate the image of all of them who did what supported Obama and Joe Biden. And then Hillary Clinton, excuse me, come on, Harris. Um, okay, let's play the the latest clip of Kyle Collinsky. They're trying to do here is dividing conqueror. They're trying to split liberals in the left. They're trying to break apart the democratic coalition going into the election. It's not going to work. And it's not going to work because Abdul's 100% right. Listen, on this show, I've criticized Obama, though, sifferously on certain issues on this show. Okay, I think one of the biggest mistakes ever made was to not prosecute Dick Cheney and George W. Bush and the tortures and the war criminals, the neo-con republicans who helped him. Hey, literally said, has Kyle has Kyle's like system not updated since the summer of 2009. Was that the last time you read an article, Kyle? That's your criticism of Obama. At least as he's trying to preface this cleaning up of Obama's image because, listen, man, I got, I got gripes with him too, dude. I criticized him for not prosecuting Bush and Cheney. The reason why, and this is, I, I'd imagine to a lot of the audience. This is already obvious, but I'll spell it out for anyone who it, who it isn't. I don't blame you for this not being obvious. I do blame a person in front of the camera in front of the microphone for not knowing this stuff. Look, it is true that Obama came in. There was a lot of pressure on him in early 2009 when he first got sworn in. There were a lot of left-wing activists who supported Obama. There was pressure on them to prosecute the Bush administration who had clearly committed war crimes, instituted torture, all types of horrible things. Obama ultimately balked at that decision and didn't. And this was a big failure on Obama's part. But the fact that Kyle's even still bringing that up almost shows like how little he knows about what followed, because what ended up following was that Obama expanded the worst of the Bush programs. He's guilty of all of the war crimes times 10. No exaggeration. All of them. So like for him to still in 2026, to still be on the talking point, as if you didn't have a, you know, another seven and a half years of Obama's presidency. No, dude. The question isn't, did Obama fail to prosecute Bush? The biggest failure, perhaps, of Donald Trump's presidency is not prosecuting the war criminal Barack Obama. Have you not updated that information yet, Kyle? Maybe this is why you fell out of favor with Joe Rogan. You're just not that good at this. You don't know stuff. You don't have the information. That is a part of the job. You know, it's just like I don't know what to say is you're sitting here. I mean, I guess I'll let him, you know, because he's, I cut him off at his, which I know everyone got upset with mom Donnie. Sorry. I will pause and cut you off. I'm going to address everything you say. I'm not taking it out of context. This is bullshit. That is some bullshit that people say about Obama when they don't actually know anything. It's like a leftist cop out. Oh, he didn't prosecute Bush as if his greatest crime was just letting the mass murderer off the hook rather than being the mass murderer himself. And don't get it twisted in terms of V crimes that you would hold George W Bush responsible for. In terms of the crimes you would hold Donald Trump responsible for Obama's worse, worse. We'll get into that in a second. Yeah, let's keep playing. Con Republicans who helped begin the demise of this country. I think I was one of the biggest mistakes ever made. I think it was another big mistake to not prosecute the Wall Street criminals who crashed the economy in 2008 and they got fucking bonuses. They got bailed out with our tax money, then they got bonuses. Okay, this was all mismanaged by Obama. It was terrible. None of that was good. You know what was good? The JCPOA, a peace deal with Iran that worked perfectly until our pedophile and chief ripped it up. Okay, you know what else was good? Normalization with Cuba. You know what else was good or a step in the right direction? Obamacare. Abdul says that Obama called that a starter home, that's 1% right. You don't live in the starter home forever. You have a starter home in the beginning. Okay. Just leaving aside, I mean, I'll grant him like from his, you know, neoliberal masquerading his leftist perspective, Obamacare. Yeah. No. Okay. The corporate takeover of healthcare was really great. I don't know. I don't know what regular person thinks Obamacare worked at well, but anyway, whatever. We'll leave that aside for a little bit. Again, it's like he just, it's these people who just don't, I don't know. I just don't have any of the information. It's like, yes, you're right. We have the JCPOA, no kidding, Kyle. It's really wonderful that you have that information. That is true. Yes. Obama was a little bit better on Iran, I don't even say substantially better on Iran than Donald Trump, but he was much worse on Syria and he was much worse on Libya and he was much worse on Yemen. These are just the facts. You know, I had, it's almost, there's this channel, they call it like the Van Guards or something like that. And it's like these kind of two, I think they're pretty young guys. I saw a video they made about me a while back and they're like, you know, how I am with, you know, this is how it is. I'm in my 40s. I think these guys are like in their 20s. So you know, I kind of like, they're on Kyle's side, they're like leftists like that. And I kind of tried to say to them at one point the other day, they argued something. They were like, Oh, man, how could you even compare voting for Obama and voting for Trump? Or in no universe are those two things, you know, the same. And I was like, no, man, you just don't know about how bad Obama is, but I'm happy to come on the podcast and argue with you. Like I thought I was kind of extending an olive branch, being like, Hey, listen, man, like you guys are youngsters, I've been at this a little bit longer than you. Let me come on the show. We could talk about this. Like it would be in good faith or whatever. Also kind of like not for nothing. I, you know, it is what it is, but like, you know, 10, 20 times bigger than you. So this will be a big episode for you. I'll come on. We can, we can discuss this stuff. I believe in from a leftist perspective, agree with me by the time you've heard the stuff. I say, and immediately their responses, they go, they go, Oh, really? You think they're in the same universe? We don't have to have the conversation on a podcast. And he goes, let me educate you. So it's right away. Let me educate you. And he goes, Donald Trump in his first term, vetoed, he vetoed a war powers resolution in the house that to continue the war in Yemen. So, you know, and you're like, whoa, dude, thanks for educating me. Yes, after I took over the Libertarian Party, we like led, we were a big part of leading the goddamn war powers resolution in the house. I mean, this was one that was a couple years later. But still, I'm just saying, I'm well aware of the war powers history with the conflict in Yemen. For some reason, he goes, oh, let me educate you. Is that 20 year olds talk about this shit? And this really is the problem because it's like these people, this happens a lot. I know I've heard Nick Fuentes talk about this dynamic a lot, but it's like people who got red-pilled five minutes ago who then want to educate you, then want to lecture you about this shit. So they go, and they go, let me educate you. Donald Trump, you know, vetoed a war power resolution and continue to war in Yemen against the will of the Congress. And I was like, yes, he did. That was the worst thing he did in his first term was he backed the Saudis. Not only facilitated it, but assisted with a genocide in Yemen, and facilitated and partially conducted by the U.S. military and with the Saudi Air Force helping out like an absolute genocide. And that is the worst thing Donald Trump did in his first year. By the way, it was a continuation of Obama's war, Obama's war. The war started under Barack Obama. It was Obama's policy that Obama launched, that Obama justified, that Obama's people themselves said he did to placate the Saudis, right? Remember, when we used to cover, like everyone who listens to the show knows I talked about this for years and years and years and years. But now you got to, you know, it's like these people, these ideas are powerful. They get them. They're brand new. They don't even have, they only have a little bit of the information and they're so excited to get out there. It's just like, sorry guys, this shit takes a lot of work in a lot of years. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Body Brain Coffee, love this company. My favorite sponsor that we have because of the creation of the great Lewis Jay Gomez. Now, as most of you know, testosterone levels have been declining for decades. We're more stressed. 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These are really serious crimes, very serious crimes. We're like, if Washington, D.C. wasn't the world empire and somebody else was, Trump could easily be in the hagg for war crimes, you know, like that is against the law, what he's done. That George W. Bush, you know, he lied the country into war in Iraq, instituted torture, and decided to make the Afghanistan war regime change war against the Taliban who hadn't attacked us. You know, it's responsible for hundreds of thousands of people being killed, all that. Okay. Barack Obama continued the war in Iraq, drastically escalated the war in Afghanistan, launched wars of choice in Libya, Syria, Yemen, and continued a massive bombing campaign in Somalia, massive bombing campaign in Pakistan and Barack Obama. The wars that he launched are like, you got like hundreds of thousands dead in Libya, hundreds of thousands, at least half a million in Syria, half a million in Yemen. Plus there's hundreds of thousands in between Iraq and Afghanistan that are on his watch. Plus Somalia, yeah, dude, it's every bit as monstrous. You could try to sit here and go, will Obama care, kind of works good. Yeah, dude. Yes, people, people can spend 30 grand a year to cover their family and still not really be covered. Wonderful. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, I'm, I'm sure you guys don't know this and all you know is like, oh, he had a drone campaign or something like that, but no, every bit as much of a blood soaked monster. The thing about him is not like it's, it's like looking at Stalin and Kyle Kolinsky's take away is, you know, the worst thing about him is that he didn't prosecute Lenin. I know Lenin died, but you get my point. All right, let's keep going. Bigger home, right? Obama knew that when he signed Obamacare, hey, this is one step in the direction of trying to get universal health care. We go from the individual mandate system of Obamacare, you take another step to a public option. And then finally, you take the final step to single payer Medicare for all, right? For, you know, I mean, Kyle doesn't, I don't know if Kyle would know this crystal certainly would because she was around her in those days, but for anybody who was, by the way, just I don't know. This is what it's like to be old and read and no stuff. So in 2010, when Barack Obama was trying to get Obamacare through, this was what was deemed a right wing conspiracy theory, what he's saying right now. This was literally what the opposition said, they said he's just trying to get socialized health care. And this is just a first step. It's designed to be a step in the process to a total government takeover. And everyone from Barack Obama to Nancy Pelosi said this was a right wing conspiracy theory. This is ridiculous. This was the health care takeer. This was it. It was Obamacare. And now they all just admit that like, oh, yeah, no, that's the only way they can justify it is like, oh, no, it was a step along the way to completely overhaul that. Okay, let's keep playing. These are all things. And Abdul nails it when he says, well, now I live through two Trump terms. So that's his way of saying there's a new found respect from liberals and leftists to the legacy of Obama. When you see what bad actually fucking looks like, okay, and I'm not back in a way from any single fucking criticism I've laid at the feet of Obama and I'll do it probably isn't either. Okay. Okay, pause it. Oh, that's so great. That's so great, Kyle, that you're not backing away from the criticism that he should have prosecuted Bush. on having a secret kill list. Anything on the Obama on the Obama a doctrine itself. The idea that the entire globe is a battlefield and that the president can conduct war anywhere. Any thoughts on that? The erection of the biggest surveillance apparatus in human history. Anything on that? I mean, I give you credit for mentioning the banker bailouts in there, but there's a lot. Yeah, dude, I mean, if the left, whatever Kyle calls the left, if the left really wants to like reevaluate, how are you going to reevaluate Barack Obama as the left is waking up to like, I don't know, look, there's something from our perspective here that is so fucking rich about this. So you're telling me the left gets to be crazy loud anti-war through all of George W. Bush. Go radioactive silent through Barack Obama, who's the worst of all of them, then come back in the last year of Joe Biden and now be anti-war again into Donald Trump's administration. And you want to rehabilitate the image. If you're looking back at the image and the left is to be confronted with it at all because half of them don't even know this track record. But if they're to be confronted with this at all, the only thing you're going to see is where genocide Joe got it from. Does that, does that fuck with his legacy, by the way, as vice president conducted a genocide? Look, we're talking legacy here. You'd think that would maybe be something like on what planet? Like, look, I'm sorry, dude, I just never, in a million years, I never go at people for who they voted for because it's just kind of silly. And we could get into more that in a second, but the idea that the same people who are going to try to go after Rogan, who by the way got all of COVID right while they got it all wrong, got all of wokeism right while they got it all wrong. They're going to go after him for voting for a guy when they vote for people who are just as bad. They're guilty of the exact same crime. Again, dude, I know I've mentioned this before. Fucking Medi Hassan is going after Joe Rogan for voting for Donald Trump. Literally, while he supports Joe Biden, or after voting for Joe Biden, who he says back to genocide. If you're back in someone who you say backs a genocide, how do you not already understand what voting is? By the way, that's not a knock on that. I'll get to this in a second. That's not a knock on voting for whoever you think you should vote for. Anyway, dude, rehabilitate the image of Barack Obama. Well, with every with every little bit of influence and breath in my lungs, I will fight against that, that legacy being rehabilitated here. Let's keep playing. When you compare Obama to Donald Jay Trump, there is no fucking comparison. And I am on the war path against what I call false equivalents or both sides bullshit. Don't tell me Democrats and Republicans are this name in the ear. Pause it. Pause it right now. Okay. Like, well, Kyle, listen, if you're on the war path, here you go. I'm right here. I'm do war. I mean, I don't know. Like you're on the war path. The equivalent of Obama's worse. That was worse. The worst president of the 21st century by far. Absolute monster. And the fact that you don't hold them in the same regard as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Trump just shows that you're not serious about your principles or you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, which is more likely, which is why you're, you're big criticism of him as he didn't prosecute the guy before him who did half as much as him. Jesus. Just too ridiculous. Anyway, you know, you want to sit here. Obviously, you want, you know, people voted for Trump and they're recognizing that Donald Trump fucked everything up, which is the correct thing to do. But of course, these guys want to pounce on that because they see it as like a moment of weakness. Okay, here, let's just play the end see if there's anything else. And then we can move on. X that is not remotely fucking true. The Republican Party is a party of pedophiles and terrorists and fucking Satan worshipers. Okay, these are people who are actively trying to destroy everything good about this country. They cut pediatric cancer research and meals on wheels and they fucking commit war crime after war crime. Yeah, yeah, I know they cut so much government. That's why our budget is so much less than it was under Biden, right? Is our budget a lot less than it was under Biden, guys? What must be much less? The Republicans love to cut government, right? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm being told it's it's higher, higher than Biden's highest year, which was the highest year on human history. Um, what do you tell me? There are pedophiles with the time of Epstein shit. You're right. You're right. It's a good thing. There were no Democrats implicated in the Epstein files. Right? I mean, what like, well, I mean, if even that's the case, like who's willing, like Bill Clinton and a Hood, Barack and all them are totally implicated and caught up in all this shit. And again, it's just zero point. He's he's using examples of like he's using example. He's going, I'm on the war path. There will be no equivalency between the Republicans and Democrats. And then he's just naming things that are the same. They commit war crimes. They're in the Epstein files. Wow. Do some of them serve in Congress? Excellent analysis, Kyle. Yeah, man. They're all commit war crimes. They all cover up the Epstein scandal. They're all, this is a box on everybody's house. They start new wars. They bring back 1800 style imperialism and kidnap world leaders and steal oil and gold from those countries like in Venezuela. Like, they're not the same. Okay. And the reason why this is landing is because it's honest and it's true. What Abdul is saying. And by the way, Barack Obama has a 60% approval rating in this country because everybody's looking back through rose color glasses and going, that is way better than whatever the fuck we have now. Right? And to Obama's credit hasn't been any hurt feelings whatsoever. Has him back to way even 1% knowing that Abdul has criticized him in the past. This is how you win. In alliance of liberals and leftists, you come together and you vote for the guy who's going to actually improve the country, who's going to deliver Medicare for all, who's going to actually fight for us to end the wars and stop arming Israel. This is what we do. And so this is a much more sophisticated effort at going after Abdul versus the he's a terrorist, he's a mass, he's al-Qaeda. That shit is so bigoted and so backwards. And in the year 2026, it's simply not going to work with gas prices this high, grocery prices this high, people losing their health care all over this country. So yeah, this is this is what a real sophisticated winning coalition looks like. Yeah, this is what you getting sucked in by the Democratic establishment looks like. It looks like you running cover for a war criminal. That's what you're doing right now, openly saying you want to rehabilitate the image of a war criminal. And it's like all this shit like as good as some of these leftists will try to convince you they are on Israel Gaza. Like they make it sound like they get it where it's kind of like, no, it doesn't matter that you're on team Israel and they're on team Palestine. You're not allowed to slaughter people like that. Okay, remember that energy. It also doesn't matter if you're on team Democrat or team Republican. That's all Obama was. Another fucking tool of the Israel lobby of the military industrial complex, a blood-soaked monster war criminal. That's who you're defending. Come on the warpath, Kyle. Come defend this against me. 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Yeah, let me kind of make a comment here on voting because I will say that this is something obviously, look, I've been criticized quite a bit for voting for Donald Trump. I will take that criticism. In fact, Pierce asked me today on the show if I regret voting for Donald Trump. And you know, even as he asked me, it's kind of an interesting question. And I went, well, yeah. And he goes, well, if you could go back in time, would you vote for him? And I go, well, no, obviously not. It didn't work when you go back in time and do the same thing. It didn't work. You know, the question is more at the time knowing what I knew then was it the right mover? Was it not? And to be honest, I don't feel particularly bad about it. I understand why I did it. It turned out to be wrong. But also I just look at voting very fundamentally in a different way than most people though. This is the state itself is kind of a religion. And if stateism is a religion, which has been my contention for about 20 years on this show for its entire history, then what is voting, what is democracy? It's a ritual, you know, if the state is religion, then election day is Easter, you know, and start attacking people's kind of rituals. You understand that it's not, you're not really having a rational conversation. It's very emotional. And I, I just look at voting as something different. I look at this purely strategic, purely, you know, there's the, uh, the libertarian theorist and economist Walter Block. He had the, the analogy or metaphor or thought experiment, whatever of, uh, you know, you're, you're a prisoner in a concentration camp in Nazi Germany. You're a Jew and a concentration camp in Nazi Germany. And they hold elections for who, uh, the, the Nazi overseer of your floor of the concentration camp is going to be. And you can vote for this one Nazi who's going to whip you five times a day or this one Nazi who's going to whip you 15 times a day. And you have a vote. The reason why I think that's like a, a, a useful kind of thought experiment is because I think it becomes immediately clear in this context. Like let's say you were kidnapped, you're throwing in a concentration camp. But for whatever reason they give you, they grant you the privilege of voting for who the warden in your camp is. Well, it's a useful thought experiment because you recognize immediately that number one, it would be really ridiculous to say that like if you were to vote, let's say they have a vote and you go, this guy will beat you once a day. This guy will beat you five times a day. And you go, I vote for the guy who beat me once a day. We all recognize it'd be pretty ridiculous for anyone to say, well, that's an endorsement of this entire system or for someone to say, if you don't vote, you can't complain. Or it would just be like, no, dude, listen, I don't believe in this. That all of this is illegitimate. None of this should exist at all. This whole system is corrupt as shit. And by the way, we all recognize that it's corrupt by its very design. It's not a flaw in its design that produced corruption. It was designed for evil intentions, you know, like this whole thing is wrong. Given that this whole thing is wrong, I find myself in this situation, there's nothing immoral or questionable about me going like, hey, what's the best strategic move here? I say we should vote for the guy who's only going to beat us one time a day. By the way, there's also room for someone else to go. I think we should vote for the guy who's going to beat us five times a day because that will get everyone angry. And then we could lead to an uprising and then you know, there's arguments to be made. But you're purely in like a strategic conversation. You're purely in the realm of like what bite lead to now, by the way, another element you could throw in there. You could vote for the guy who says he'll beat you one time a day and he was lying. And then he beat you 10 times a day. But there's just a lot of it's complicated. And I think judging people based off who they voted for, you know, there were so many different, eh, maybe this will be better. This will be worse. This will be better. This will be worse. So anyway, I look at voting not as a religion, not as something holy, I look at voting as something that for most people, most of the time, it probably objectively doesn't make sense to do. How long does it take to vote? If it takes you an hour, how much is an hour of your time worth? I don't know that anyone could logically say that an hour of your time should be spent. Let's say you're voting for president and there's 120 million people voting for president. You have a one in 120 millionth amount of influence over this decision. Is that worth an hour of your time? Probably not like genuinely, probably cleaning your house is more important to you. I just, you know, that's kind of how I feel. If we were going to vote, usually the point of it is to send a message to change the culture to hope for some type of change. Anyway, when people criticize me for voting for Donald Trump, if they want to say, hey, that's something you got wrong. All right, fair enough. I don't really know what exactly I got wrong. I kind of thought I'd be in this situation. Maybe I didn't think he'd take us to war and around quite the way he did. I'll take it, you know, I got a track record of being pretty much right about all the most important issues since the show's been going. If you want to say I was wrong about that one, then fine. When regular people will say, hold on, hold on, which, you know, so people said this. Wait, you claimed Trump committed a genocide, okay? Because they're talking about Yemen in his first term, the continuation of Obama's genocide that I was just mentioning. They go, hey, wait, how are you going to say Donald Trump is guilty of war crimes? And he committed a genocide and then vote for him in 2024. Don't get me wrong. I understand the point they're making there. I understand where that does sound kind of crazy to a normal person, because to a normal person, they're like, no, voting is this religion. When you vote in a guy, you endorsed him. You believe in him. You just said he's your guy. You love him and you hate the other guy. But look, I get where people would go, wait, you could vote for someone who you said was guilty of committing a genocide. But the thing is that again, to me, yeah, dude, we're in the Nazi concentration camp. I don't mean literally, but you get it in the metaphor. We're in the Nazi concentration camp. I'm just going, listen, Biden Harris or genocide. Trump's genocidal, they're all fucking crazy. I think this might break up the woke shit and the media's iron grip and all of this, you know. Okay, but I get where those people are coming from. However, when there's someone like Medi Hassan or someone like Kyle Kalinsky, who they themselves are doing the exact same thing, they would agree with me that the Saudi war in Yemen was a genocide. They would agree with me that Israel's destruction of Gaza was a genocide. They also voted for Obama and Biden. They themselves are also in the position. Amen. Having voted for a guy who they think is guilty of conducting a genocide. And so I'm sorry for those guys to turn around and go, I don't get it. How could you possibly vote? Don't act like you don't know what voting is. Like you're, you're so holier than that, but we're only going to look at 50% of this equation. Only who you voted for and none of us. And look, I'll say this again. And this is where man people really do. I got to say people are either, they're either frauds or they just get way too caught up in their own personal kind of beefs and vendettas. And just just caught up in the like spirit of I told you so, which, you know, I can understand. I'm guilty of that myself a bit. But, you know, as I remember, so as Rogan, I think I've talked about this a little bit on the show. But if you guys know, which you, you could kind of put all this together, even if I hadn't talked about it. But like, okay, I'm friends. I'm very good friends with Joe Rogan. I'm friends with Tucker Carlson. I'm friends with a lot of these guys. We all supported Donald Trump in 24. I was the first one who came out the harshest against him after the 12-day war. So I'm trashing Donald Trump and relentlessly been trashing him ever since. There was a period of time before those guys kind of turned on him when I had, I don't know if Joe's exactly turned on him. But before he started like criticizing him over the war and around, you know, after the 12-day war, after Venezuela, things had seemingly kind of worked out. And I was out on a limb criticizing him and those guys weren't. It was a little bit of an awkward, you know, situation to be in. And I remember now, obviously I'm biased for my own reasons here. But so when all those guys came out and really turned on him hard once he launched this disastrous war, to some degree, that was a relief to me, you know, I kind of felt, this is my honest opinion. And that, and by the way, I said this, this was off camera, but I said this too many Hassan in New York City. I think it's the only time we ever met face to face, but we did Pierce Morgan episode together. We were talking about this in the green room. So from my perspective, the big argument I made about voting for Donald Trump was that I thought this would destroy the state propaganda apparatus once and for all. And I'll argue that with anyone. I think it did do that. I think I was right about that. At the time, I got big arguments with people, Robbie Swav, Michael Tracy, and I was saying this is going to destroy the corporate media. And they were arguing, no, it's going to give him higher ratings than ever, just like it did in 2017. And I was arguing it won't work again. They won't be able to rush to get their way into it. This will destroy them. And I think that in a lot of ways is the strongest argument for why it was worth it for Trump to win. But a big, and I said this on the record, I went, here's what's going to happen. This new media apparatus is going to get Donald Trump elected, thus humiliating and destroying the old propaganda apparatus that had told you for, you know, eight years at this point that he was the rise of Hitler, the worst thing ever. After January 6th, he's totally defeated, tried to steal the election, the big lie, democracy on the ballot, all of this, them totally defeated Joe Rogan, totally victorious. it destroys them, it boosts this whole scene. And then when I said this, what's going to inevitably happen is that Donald Trump's going to fuck up in major ways. And what's inevitably going to happen is that Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan and breaking points and Andrew Schultz and me and whoever the hell else, none of us are going to take that. We're all going to call them out for it. I went, now in my mind, I didn't have the war on Iran in my head nearly as much as just the continuation of the destruction of Gaza. I was like, he's going to get in here and inherit this. And unless he gets a ceasefire right away, he's going to have hell to pay. If you remember, Whitcroft got his first ceasefire before Trump had even been sworn in. And I remember I was saying at the time, they better hold this man because every, all of his most vocal supporters are completely against this thing. And then they went back to it. And then little by little, it started to really wait. Anyway, anyway, so then we get into all, but I always said, for me, this whole thing would have been a failure if the media apparatus that got him elected didn't also bash him when he fucked up this bad. So like it was, it was a relief in a way when Tucker and Rogan and all those guys came around because it was like, that had to happen. That has to happen. Like it's great that Rogan will endorse a guy who could win president, but if they launch a fucking war when they promise not to, then he's got to be upset so that there's also a punishment to pay. That's the only way this thing works. But you know what that did happen? It happened exactly the way it was supposed to. So no, I don't look at that aspect as a failure. But you know what happened as soon as Rogan comes out? The most influential guy in the country, the guy who got president Trump elected, who has maintained the biggest show in the world over the last six years of it being the hardest thing to do to maintain the biggest show. The whole thing that's happened in the podcast revolution is that the barriers to entry have been all but removed. Like for me to have what I have in 1995 would have required a multi-million dollar contract from a huge corporation. For me to be coming to you from a television studio, but I could have all this now. You could put this together. I mean, I put some money into this, but you could for a couple thousand bucks have a podcast studio today. The barrier for entry is almost non-existent. It's a completely democratized decentralized level field. And Jill Rogan's risen to the top and maintained the top throughout that entire time. It's the most influential guy in the country. And he comes out against the war that the president, he elected launched. Just like a major moment in American history, objectively, no matter how you feel about any of the people involved, a huge moment. And I watched as in this moment, Kyle Kalinsky and Metty Hassan did what said, thank God, let's fucking go. The biggest most influential guy in the country is behind is against the war. He's with the anti-war effort. Oh, yeah, there's real children who are dying over this thing. Let's be against this together. No, no, no, they both went. You voted for them. You got them elected. It's like, I just found this moment to be so revealing. So you look at that, you go, oh, so you guys don't actually care about the war at all, at all. This could never imagine. So I remember, who's that Mark Ruffalo? Natalie, is that his name? The actor Mark Ruffalo? I think he was like in, he was like in law and order or something like that, right? Yeah, yeah, and he was in the Hulk. Okay, so he's like a real lefty guy. I'd probably disagree with him about everything in terms of politics, but he came out speaking out against the genocide in Yemen back in like 2019. I think it was. And I remember I first saw that was like, that's fucking awesome, dude. Someone who's famous speaking out against this thing. Who's who his instincts, if you actually care about something as seriously as a war, is to start knocking them. And then by the way, like, look, man, I'm just saying. And I know I've made this point before, but like if they really want to attack us over this, Kyle's going to sit here and just be like, oh, Dave, by the way, think about this. Obviously, the reason I played both these clips together, his critique of me was that I always run back to Trump. Motherfucker, I am vicious. I am relentlessly vicious and unforgiving for all of the crimes that Trump commits. I'm sorry, there's just no one. There is nobody who has, there may not be anyone who's ever voted for a president who's been as hard on them as I have been. He's going to just totally baselessly accuse me of that and look at the projection, look at the actual projection. Oh, mother fucker, who's running back to who? Who's running back to Trump, that me, the guy who's done nothing but relentlessly criticize the guy and says he belongs in the hagg and as a war criminal who's destroyed his legacy. Or Kyle Kalinsky who goes, I do criticize Obama for not prosecuting other war criminals, but a lot of us are reevaluating his legacy. I mean, Medicare, Obamacare really works if you get rid of the whole thing and institute something else. Who's running back? Who's running back to who here? Don't act like you're the revolutionary. It's like such establishment. Slop. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Trollco. 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They are trying to make the big criticism that we supported Donald Trump. And this is a disaster and, you know, look, I've said this before, I've been talking about this on stage a little bit, but you know, look, when there's things like the Warren Venezuela, when it's viewed that it worked out well, you're always going to be in a little bit of a weak position arguing that, you know, after the fact, you know, if someone's, if you're, if you're saying to someone, hey, I think you've had too much to drive and, you know, you've had too much to drink, I don't think you should go drive. And maybe they have, maybe they had three or four drinks, they really shouldn't be getting behind the wheel of the car. And you go, dude, don't do that. Don't do that. You know, you might be right that they shouldn't. But if they get behind the wheel, and they make it home safe, and then you go, dude, you really shouldn't have done that the other day. This is fallacious, but the way human beings work is the argument is isn't as strong. I don't think you were right. I'm fine. It worked out. You know, now, conversely with Donald Trump, it didn't work out anytime you do something and it doesn't work out. It's always going to be easier for someone to point to that and go, hey, look, you were wrong. It didn't work out. All right. Fair enough. It certainly didn't work out. I will say this. If you really think about it, when Barack Obama was doing all the shit that he did, when he completely betrayed his voters, absolutely, betrayed every leftist and liberal principle in the book was a worse war criminal than George W. Bush expanded all of the worst aspects of the Bush administration, including the very worst, the global war on terrorism, which Obama truly made global. As Obama was spitting on every left-wing principle how many of the biggest supporters of Barack Obama turned on him, vehemently opposed it and spoke out against it. You'll come up with basically zero, basically none. In fact, people like Kyle Collins care still defending him today. And firstly, when Donald Trump betrayed what he ran on and betrayed the principles of America first and humanity, who of those people stood up against that and loudly condemned it and stopped supporting him, I'd say of my friends, all of them. The answer is all of them. I don't know what to say, man, you know, like I'm fucking proud of my friends, dude. You know, if people want to say that Theo or Andrew or whoever gave Trump too soft of an interview, you know, all right, you can make that argument. I don't really agree with you, but okay, you can make that argument. But like every last one of them has come out and condemned the shit he's been doing since then. How many did Mark Marin ever do that about Obama? So Lawrence or Donald or any of these people, who's the Rachel Meadows underlinked the dude who looks like our back guy, Stephen Hayes. Is that his name? Am I making that up? Anyway, no, you didn't see any of that. You do see that with with Trump. So anyway, this whole game of like trying to smear people for for these games. It's also just just part of it is like, look dude, you kind of can't deny from these progressives. I guess they want to try it, but a huge portion of the reason why Rogan and so many people supported Trump, even supported say Elon Musk and people like that was because the progressives pushed them into this corner. Almost all of those people who I just named just wanted to be reasonably liberal people. That's all they wanted to do. Just wanted to be reasonably liberal people and then the progressive establishment tried to ruin everything and then there was an alternative to that and some of them got on board with the alternative, but I'm sorry, after the years of wokeism and COVID, you're just not in a very strong place to blame people for turning to whatever the reaction against that was, especially the ones who are principled enough to stand up and say, yeah, we are now calling that out. All right. That's the episode for today. Happy to discuss this stuff with Kyle. I rescind my offer to those young leftists. I offered to come on their show, but then once they told me they needed to educate me about things that I've been speaking about for 20 years with far more depth of knowledge and I'm much bigger platforms than they could ever hope to be on. I just I had to rescind after that. I don't need to talk to those guys, but I'm kind of happy to have a good faith conversation about this with another leftist since Kyle. I don't think it's going to be willing to do this. But I find this shit to be pretty weak and I am not going to stand for a rehabilitation of the butcher of Libya and Syria, Barack Obama. All right. That's our episode for today. Come see me on the road. Commentate smith.com Also, portstore.com also I did mention many to mention this earlier, but it is that time of year again, my wife's children's book healthy hibernation, healthy hibernation available at Amazon. It is it's hibernation season. So this is when you got to go get your healthy hibernation going. It is in all seriousness an adorable children's book that was that had really done very well and were really touched by that. Please go grab a copy this this season healthy hibernation.com and it's up on Amazon healthy hibernation. All right. Catch you guys next time. Peace. (upbeat music)