"Kris Jenner"

(upbeat music) - So Willie and I are in the New York right now surviving this blizzard. I know this is gonna come out later, but it's pretty rough out there. - Yeah. - You got out of there on Saturday. I got very low. - I was doing a cold open. That's okay. - Yeah, we're just in the middle of the night. - Oh, you're doing a cold open stuff. - Oh, sorry. - We'll get back to you. - Hey, I'm welcome to on our loose partners. (laughs) - Sharp. (upbeat music) - Smart. - Smart. - Right. - Smart. - Smart. - Blast. - I never saw Field of Dreams. - Hi. - Yeah, in Scotty and Scotty put it up. And he's like, I was like, yeah, let's watch this. I never saw. Like, it's, yeah, have you seen it? - I did, oh, hang on. - Yeah, that's me. - And did you, so he built it, you came. - Yeah. (laughs) - Really nice, Jason. - Well, what did you, what did you think of it, Jon? - I thought it was so good. I thought the tone was really good. I thought. - Oh, don't need a detailed review. - Yeah, well, I thought, I thought it was, first of all, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I've seen clips of it like over the decades. So I kind of had an idea and I, of course, knowing the phrase, build it and he will come whenever. But I never-- - Sure, I've ever seen it. - Oh, we gotta watch it. - It's really, really, you'd watch it for a second time. - I would. - Wow. - Watch it, have him over to your theater, JB. - Yeah, come on over. So you've never seen it, Jason. - I don't think I have. No, I don't know if I've ever seen major league and I don't know if I've ever seen Bull Durham. - Bull Durham's excellent. - Well, this is, yeah, your baseball crazy person. - Yeah, I know I've seen the natural about you. - Bull Durham is excellent. - I've never seen any of that. - I love Bull Durham. - Maybe I'll just see a little clips of it on social media, you know? - Yeah, and it just beats it together. - Oh, that's a good way to do it. Like my kids, you're like kind of 20 seconds at a time. - Yeah, this is the way the kids are eating stuff. - What do you guys think about this? - What do you guys think about that? They're making those little clips. Now, isn't there like one minute episodes now of stuff? Have you heard about this? - That way, is it maybe on 2B? Do I have 2B? - You do, you do currently have 2B. - No, but you guys, does anybody know about this? - Quibi, Quibi was the, yeah, Quibi was the first thing, but then, you know, that didn't work out for whatever reason. - So there's one minute episodes of stuff? - Yeah, and now that's really, that's what I read, that it's really picking up on TikTok, and they'll do like a whole season is five minutes. - Really? - And each episode is like a minute or two minutes. - Let's be riveting. - Oh, you haven't heard about that? - That can't be a good thing. - I actually haven't, I have not heard of it. - Michael Bennett Robb, have you heard about that? - Oh yeah. - Yeah, verticals. - Well Robb, first of all, take the judgment out of your voice when you say, oh yeah. - We need to work on our attention span, all of us on this planet, right? - I know. - I think we need to watch stuff that's longer. I think that that's been, I was really saying that. - Longer. - Everyone wants to feel the dreams. - That all the tech, all the tech billionaires don't, they really limit their kids' access to short form stuff because they realize that there's studies that show it has a direct impact on kids' attention span. - Well listen, this is helpful then today because what I've got with us today is somebody who might be able to all pie in on some of these things and give us a look around the corner a little bit for what might be coming. You know, with us today, is a leader of an empire. - Ooh. - She is launched and is the guiding force behind at least 10 companies by my account, which have generated dollars in the billions I'm sure. Her business skills and know how are matched only by her media savvy and cultural instincts. Her abilities as a manager and a parent, however, is where it all started. Here to tell us how on earth she does it and where it all goes from here is the one, the only, Chris Jenner. - Oh, look at that. - Chris. - Hey, hi. - Jenner. - I am very excited to think you are with us today. I've wanted you on the show for, you know, very, very long time. Just I've been afraid. - Very excited. - We're travel buddies. We go on vacation together. - We are a little bit. - Jason and I, yeah. - Is that true? - And Amanda, yeah, we do. - Yeah. - We kind of plan it, but it's an accident. So, I'll let you guys figure that one out. - Yeah, okay, just fascinating to talk to. And I'm really, really happy you're with us today. So, thank you. - All right, let me just like, could you, there's no way you could imagine that your adult life would be here, where we are now, I would imagine. What did you think you were going to be when you grew up? What was there, was there an early idea, plan, goal, dream? - A mom. - Yeah, really? - A raised a dream about being a mom. When I was 16, I decided I wanted six kids. - No way. - And yeah, yeah, so, I mean, that was sort of embedded in my head, that that was my magical number. And that's what I wanted to do with my life. And I couldn't wait to be a mom and have my first baby. And I had my first baby. I got pregnant when I was 22. - Yeah. - And I met Robert Kardashian when I was 17. - How and where, is it, is it a meet cute? - We met at the racetrack in Delmar. - No way. - Wow. - Yeah, and I wasn't old enough to bet. So I had to stand to the side while my girlfriend's mom placed our bets for like $2, and I was going to, I was so excited and I was all dressed up. And I was standing there and he came up to me and said, you know, what's your name? And I told him and he was a little cheeky and I was really annoyed like you're a stranger. Go away. And you know, the world was a much different place. Like you trusted people. But there was also no way to contact somebody unless you had their phone number and you were standing by your phone in the kitchen to receive the phone call and blah, blah, blah. I mean, that was a weird world. I'm the best times of my life. - You couldn't snap one another, you mean? - Yeah. - No, there was no internet, no phone, no cell phones, no computer, no iPod, none of it, no technology. And so he asked me for my name and I gave it to him and he asked me for my number and I didn't give it to him. But his best friend, this girl, worked at the phone company. - I knew you were going to say that. Every story from back then had to be like, I knew somebody at the phone company. - I guess. - That was the only way. - Right, and they looked at my name and there was my phone number. I mean, listen, every year. - It's kind of a romantic sort of like, - Yeah. - He pursued me. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I'm just talking romantic. - But wait, I want to get back to the race track. - So wait. - Yeah. (laughing) - I've been there a couple of times. - It's a very unique environment, any race track. It's so kind of fun. Did you know what you were doing? Or were we just like, oh, that's a fun name. Let's pick that horse. - Well, no, I had no idea what I was doing. - You weren't watching them warm up. - No idea. - You didn't know what horses were good markers. - No, well, we walked around looking like we knew what we were doing, but we were just, you know, probably, it's so visual, like going to the race track in the 70s, was like the hats and the suits and the beauty and the horses. - It was an event. - Everyone's got a cocktail. And I mean, it was very grown up. - It still kind of is, right? Like Kentucky Derby's still like a big, like the last thing, if you'd ever been there? - It was California's content. I have been once with him. And we went to the races. We were supposed to go out afterwards with a bunch of people and have a, you know, to the party that they give afterwards. And I was drinking these things called a mint tulip in a little tin cup, and Kim and I had, Kim didn't even drink in those days. She still doesn't really drink, but I did. And I had too many, and I said, I gotta go to bed. I'm too tired. - They're too tasty. I think I remember those things. - Yeah, so I just went to sleep. - Did you go JB, did you go there? - I've never been to the Kentucky Derby, no. But I met a mint tulip once. - I gotta say, I'm really taken with, I wanna go back to the phone company in the department. You kinda get in touch with anybody. And the magic of Del Mar back then, and everybody wasn't in touch with each other all the time. And you could go and do something like that. And you were bothered by your other life. You were just there. You were where you were. And I'm really taken with that idea. - There weren't even answering machines back then. - Not really, I mean, I don't know. - No, there was no answer machine. - Either had to be home or not, you know? - It was so glorious. - You know, there wasn't any kind of, I mean, I don't think there was a show like, Entertainment Tonight, or any of the shows like that. And the Del Mar races sounded so glamorous. And my mom used to go. And I used to watch my mom when I was a little girl, walk out the door in her beautiful dress, and her big hat going with her friends. And when she was single, or when she met my stepdad, going with my stepdad, and we're going to the races. And it sounded so like, what? You're going to the horse races. - Right. - And we only saw horse races in the movies. - Right. - Like you would see a scene like that. And I was like, going to this glamorous thing. - I would go to the grocery store with my mom, and we'd go shopping. And after she checked out, after we checked out, she would stop at this counter and buy race horse tickets to then go watch it home to see if there are a number of ways. Yeah. And I'm like, we could barely afford peanut butter. And she's like buying gambling on the way out the door. - Yeah. - Right. And then we watched the race tracks at race things at home. - Races. - I didn't know you could do that. - She always kept an eye on the horses. - Yeah. (laughing) - Do you guys, do you guys, You guys ever do, do you guys ever do the lotto? Like do you go for the mega millions? - A couple of times I've done it. Yeah, there is, I mean, gambling is, I used to have a bit of a fun time with gambling. I no longer do, but it is, it's still something. - I love it. - Sort of like lives a little bit. - Well, yeah, yeah, Shawnee, you just went to Vegas, right? - Shawne loves it, but I will say this, and a friend of mine said to me recently, I love this idea. He said, yeah, I buy, you know, when the mega, or whatever it is, it's like a billion dollars. I end up buying a couple tickets. I said, really, he seemed like the most unlikely, my buddy Clay, and I go, really, you buy a lot of tickets, and he goes, yeah, you know why I buy it? I buy it for that five minutes after I've bought it, and I'm in the car, and that feeling. That feeling is just as good as winning what I did. - I'm just getting that feeling. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's only about the feeling. - That's right. - Is the money in whatever is sure, but it's the feeling that we're after, and he's like, yeah, enjoy that feeling. And I was like, yeah. That's, it's good. - I think it's funny that people go like, I think it's funny that there's people that line up the street to buy a billion dollar lottery ticket, but not a $50 million ticket. - Yeah. - That's not enough. - I'm not gonna do it that way. - Do you know what I mean? $50, no. I'll wait 'til it gets to a billion. - I just read somewhere that AI now can really help your number picking. - Like stock. - Yeah, you can like go on like some of these AI things and say, give me the numbers that are gonna win the lottery this weekend. And they'll actually give you some get pretty close, I don't know apparently. - Wow. Well, you could, well, like if it's a billion dollars, I mean, you could win a, you know, a hundred million. - Yeah, that'll do it. - If you have a number, right? - Just two, just two numbers. - Now, now talking about your mom and your stepdad, was your stepdad, you know, realize very quickly, this is not hard in journalism here. I think a stepdad was a businessman, perhaps? - No, my stepdad was actually, he had two businesses. My stepdad, my uncle had a car dealership and my stepdad would have a kit and he would go to the car dealership and stripe the cars. - Oh. - To anybody who never remembered that phase. - Yeah, give me like a line. - You take like, it's like a tape. - Like a pinstripe or something. - Yeah, like a pinstripe. You pinstriped a car in a couple of hours. And in those days, it was done with a very thin tape. And my dad was San Diego's premiere tape car tape. - No way. Would it just be a piece of tape on the car? - Yeah. - And it wouldn't just come off? - Yeah, like Starsky and Hutch, you know that? - I think that would, like that big piece of shun. - Exactly. - I had one of my old Chevy Tao 25 years ago 'cause it came with a thin orange and I didn't like it, so I went to a guy and he put a thin blue over it. - That's right. - And it just made all the difference. - That's right. - And what you're doing messing around with Chevy, I mean, that should have been a GMC. - This is what a GMC did. - Did you not like professional grade? - I do, I love professional grade. I love everything in the GM thing. - So he did that. And then he also was a guy who had a company that put antennas on the roof. - Okay. - But he actually did it. Like he had a few guys at work for him. - Yeah. - So if you bought a TV, I remember we got our first color TV. And then he would have a company that you know, advertised and came out and put your antenna on your roof. - The rabbit ears up on the roof. Yeah. - Yeah. - I gotcha. So my question behind the question is - So I guess he was a business of smart, you made money. - Did that start to, how early did the business interest in you get sparked? That entrepreneurial sort of creative kind of what could I get into next kind of things? - Well, that came from my grandmother and my mother. So my grandmother and my mother both had their own stores in La Jolla, California. - Right. - And I grew up in San Diego and then La Jolla. And my mom still lives there to this day. She's almost 92. But she had, her last store that she had was a children's store, 45 years, called Shannon and Company. Her last name is Shannon. - Yeah. - And then my grandmother had a candle store called the Candles of La Jolla. So basically when I was 12 years old, instead of going to the La Jolla shores to learn how to surf with all my friends, I was going to my grandmother's candle store and working. And the first job I had, I was the gift wrapper. So my grandmother gave me, it was the best. And by the way, I'm the best gift wrapper. - Are you really? - Yeah. - I like it. - I watch the videos of the Japanese people. - I saw that too. - Yeah. And I'm like, I'm trying to emulate. I'm the worst. - Yeah, I saw that. - At Christmas, I realized I'm the worst. - I love it. - Wait, so Chris, do you have like incredible techniques about like hiding edges and curling seams? - Yes, yes, oh, and I do, like one day, I learned how to use the ribbon maker, the bow maker machine. So I got really good at bows. And so I have these hidden talents. Like they say we have no talent. Oh, I've got talent. Yeah, that's some great gift wrapping talent. We have a wrapping room at the house. - I do, I do. - Oh, I have a friend that has a wrapping room. - With rolls of wrapping paper and drawers of tissue and it's very exciting. - Chris, can you look, can you look at a gift or some of you in a wrap? And can you just eyeball it and go, I know exactly how much paper I need for that. - I used to a little bit better. Now I've, you know, if I really get confused over a gift, I just celebrate it and put a bow on it. Call it a day, and it's so cute. - So in fact, I help you avoid those terrible paper cuts, paper cuts you can get from wrapping gifts. - That's right, but I love those, I love those videos from Japan. - You know, they're so fabulous. - So so crisp and like, yeah, OCD. So after you, so you learned some business while you were wrapping, you're like, "Wait, how did that work?" And how did that, I know. - Well, your mom and your grandma, it was a great business inspiration. - Right, so I think, listen, when you're young and you see my grandmother, at the time was a single mom and my grandmother and my grandfather lived across the street and my grandmother helped raise me. So when you see the two most important people in your life at the time, my grandmother and my mom, get up and get dressed to the nines and go to work every day and get there at nine o'clock and have a routine and have a business and pay the bills and they were so proud of their businesses and how they ran them. I work for both of them on and off and I learned a lot in those days. I got finally graduated to being on the floor with customers then I graduated to the cash register and I just learned a lot. Those were some of the best learning years of my life because I learned so much about. And then from there, I became a stewardess for American Airlines and I was a flight attendant. And when I was a flight attendant, that gave me great social intelligence, social skills. - You know you were a flight attendant. - Learning how to run a team and just some really interesting things that were very valuable at a very young age. - My mom did that for like 30 years of Pan Am. - She did? - Yeah, it was the coolest thing for me as a kid just flying around the world kind of in the back with my little suit on, you know, 'cause I had to get dressed up for the free tickets. - Yeah. - You still fly Pan Am, don't you, Jay? - Yeah, I keep getting canceled these flights. - He still fits in that suit. - Yeah. (laughing) - You guys. - Sounds like, yeah, you know, the thing is at the heart of it is like this. You've had this consistent work ethic that's super strong. - I'm really proud of what they taught me and what I was able to absorb. But then even more importantly, how I raised my kids and what they were able to learn from the whole experience and how they were raised and how they, it was my kids joke and they say to me, you know, mom, during the summer or they'll tell a story and they'll go, my mom during the summer, when we were in, you know, it's supposed to be on vacation, my mom, you know, in the old days, like the '90s or the '80s, we used to have a landline. And on the landline as we became more successful and had more opportunities, the stuff in the house got better. The TV's got bigger, the phones got more complicated and we used to have this intercom system on the phone. So you'd have a big, you know, big land phone, landline phone, sitting next to all these counters and all the buttons and there was a thing. And Chloe always tells the story, my mom used to intercom the whole house. It's seven a.m. time to get up, make your beds. And so I raised my kids like that, like, no, no. - The world's out there, go get 'em. - Laying in bed, life is happening, get up, we've got stuff to do. - I love that. I love that. - Yeah, let me do that. - That's really cool. - Yeah. - Wait, so what happened after the candle thing and working in that store? And what was the kind of the next venture for you after that that made you want to propel further into being a business woman? - I worked there, then I worked at a boutique in La Jolla for a friend and then for my mom and I loved having structure in my life. I loved having something to do and to get dressed for and my mother and my grandmother always told me that it was so important to present myself to the world in a way that I wanted to be like, look your best, be on your best behavior. If you don't have something nice, [BLANK_AUDIO] say, don't say anything at all, you know, really good manners. Right. Right. It was going to say, yeah, you got to, for me, like, I've got to believe it before I can expect anyone else to believe it. So you got to get up, get up, get out there and look like where you want to go. Right. That's exactly right. And so ramp, you know, a couple things. So then I became, then I went and I applied to be a flight attendant, Sean, to answer that question. And then from there, I got married to Robert Kardashian. So that's kind of, and then I started having kids. So that's the, you know, the breeders I just, which was the real job, which is, you know, the kids and the being a mom, that was at a very young age. But, you know, along the way, the one thing you guys can probably relate to or think about, or you're, you know, listeners can think about is my mother-in-law was the first one. Now it's, you know, a mantra in our house, but my mother-in-law, Nana, was always saying, Robert, you know, to her son, Robert, you know, show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are. She used to just gripe at all of us about if she thought anybody around us was shady or dishonest or a little creepy or, you know, anything off. She was, because I met her and Robert at such a young age, you know, he was 12 years older than I was, but I just learned so much because then I had this whole Armenian family surrounding me that I'd never had a big, big family. I had one sister. So, and my mom was divorced for the longest time until she met my dad went, you know, and then got married when I was 13, but a lot of my life, it was me, my mom, and my sister. So, having this big, Armenian family around me was very, it was so amazing. And some of the things I learned, I let it all soak in. I was like a sponge and I was like, I love having all these people watching out for me because they met me so young and they were helping me grow up. Right. Yeah. Right. A big community. Yeah. It's so great. What's there? I was just going to share one of my first jobs, was at a furniture store in downtown Glennel and I had to answer the phones. And all I did all day long was call my friend Sherry and Arizona and then the bills would come. And their phone bill was like hundreds of dollars, which was huge back then, like, probably like a thousand dollars. And the guy who, yeah, the guy who come and be like, who are you calling an Arizona? I was like, that's my sister just trying to be in touch. But it was my best friend and then I got fired because of that. Oh my God. That's my story. That's my story. My first job. I love that story. Yeah. I'm just trying to look on the church where I want to put that. You know what? One of my first jobs, the things that we will do, one of my first jobs, I was really wanting to do something. I mean, this is how I guess, I don't know, motivated I must have been to make some money. Because my mom, it wasn't like she was, you know, passing out money to buy clothes and we were getting to the age where we really loved clothes and we wanted to buy things and we're teenagers and all of it. And so I got a job up the street from my house that I could then get on the school bus and get to middle school or high school and it was at a donut shop and my job was to take a glazed scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor and they would give me free a little money and some free donut holes every morning. And I was with the best glazed scraper in, I think in San Diego. Pretty sure. Sean, how lost are you in this story? He's trying to figure out if it's a bad job. He's like, he can't decide whether it's a bad job. This is a job. You guys have to ruin my makeup. I can only pick glaze off the floor. I'm very, very, well-readable. Uh-huh. I can't. It's free donuts. Guys, it was amazing. Sean's volunteering for any sort of glazed scraping in any part of the room. So if you ever need anybody who, like, listen, these skills, somehow, you know, worked for me later in life. I don't know. Go figure. Yeah. And we will be right back. And now back to the show. What would you say to these young people that are going off to business school and they're killing themselves trying to, like, top business schools and learn all the business stuff that one needs to do? Like, where would you, what size would you put that sort of like the tradition of business? The question. Structured, you know, in today's society and, and, and, and climate for, for business success. Wow. The nuts and the bolts of it because I'm going to get in trouble here because I did not go to college. Uh-huh. That's okay. And that wasn't important to me because I didn't, I wasn't the most amazing, like, I didn't love school because I was social. Does that make sense? I love being, I love the socialization of it. I love, I think, you know, some of my kids have been trying to decide, do we want to just do homeschool? Do we love, you know, this kind of school, like, as the kids get older. And Kendall and Kylie, my two youngest, went to homeschool the last year of their high school years. And then they graduated. But, yeah. It wasn't this, you know, it's, it's always been for us about, or for me, about socialization and making sure that, obviously, I have a good education and I know my ABCs. Yeah. And, you know, I'm, I'm a smart cookie and I love to learn and I soak it all in. Yeah. But everyone learns differently, and I think that's what's interesting. And so I think the options out there are so vast, however, it really, you have to follow your heart, but it's also what do you want to go into? Um, rule of thumb, and, and thought of some parents and, and kids alike and people in general, is that if you get that education under your belt, then that's your safety net, like that, then you can go forward in your life and now you're set with your, or, you know, you have your tool belt on, and you can go out there and do various things. And I, I'm not, like I, I love that too. My son went to USC, Kim went to college for maybe a couple of weeks and, you know, Courtney graduated from college and, you know, half of my kids did it and half of my kids didn't, so it's a mixed bag for me, but I think it really depends on if you want to be a doctor or a, you know, physician of any kind, a surgeon, a lawyer, a attorney, like, that's necessary, but I think it's just going to be what you're, you know, follow your heart. What is it that, you know, that gets you excited about life and what you want to do with your career and start sooner than later? Yeah, you know, it's, I, I'm going through JB, you went through it with, with your eldest and I'm kind of going through it now with my teenage boys because they're at that point where they're looking at colleges and we're going to do a college tour at spring break. And I keep sort of saying to him, you know, there, there's a pressure not just from the parents, but you can feel it from the peer group as everybody's talking about it. So it builds up this kind of frenzy about where to go and all the sort of stuff. Right. And I said, look, having to decide what you're having to decide and I go, you know what, man, any one of these places, you're pretty much guaranteed of getting a really good education. You've got to decide what you want your experience to be. Right. What you want your life experience to be. So true. Right. And don't, I, I urge you not to get caught up in that. And I'm really, I, and I think it's kind of lending because I just, I see them, I see these kids and they're getting so wrapped up in it. Yeah. Life will narrow you like real quick soon anyway. Yeah. Keep going. Interesting. You can go to college. I dropped out, I dropped out of college after one semester because I was like, yeah, for me, I went, you know what, this is not, I looked around at all my peers and my friends and kids I grew up with. And I said, this is not where I'm going. I want to go over here and I want to jump into life and I moved to New York at age 20. Well, what it does, what it did for me, I went for four years and never graduated but still got a doctorate. But anyway, a boy, wait, we want the recipe for that from the, from the furniture store. No, but what it did for me was what it does for a lot of kids is it gets you out of the house. That's it. And you get out of the house and you're with your peers in a totally different setting and you find out who you are. And yes, academics aside, socially what it did for me was I was like, oh, I found my, I found my people and I show. You know, it's funny about that, like JB, you went, you were working as a young kid. You were already working as an actor. So you, you were already sort of socializing and you were already doing that. You were out of the house in effect. With your peers. I had gone to boarding school at age 12. So I was already out, like I had already gone, you know what I mean? So we yeah, that was like an early college boarding school, yeah, I should have studied something to fall back on. See, I think that's important to note though, I think that that everyone, and I really believe that everybody needs structure and, and a purpose. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. And a community. And social is it all of that. love about school and if you're not ready to jump off the diving board into the pool with no water in it, so to speak, because you don't know what you're going to do, then that's probably a great decision, because then you'll figure it out. Yeah, because I went to college knowing I was going to study music, that's it. So I had a purpose, but you're right, Chris, about what you said is like if you don't, I love that, if you're diving into a pool with no water, you probably, there's no reason. No, and Sean, the music that you studied, it did help you. What has been a big part of what you do? Well, yeah, no, but continuing on and like you wouldn't have done goodnight Oscar, all of that, the Tabasco. This is a progress. But had you not done that, you wouldn't have had this whole to do that, right? Totally. One thing leads to another, but I'm lucky, like we're all lucky, the four of us talking right now. And there's many people that we know that are lucky that if you know, if you have a passion inside of you early on as a kid and you know what you love to do, the earlier you know what to be, the earlier you know what you love to do, the more success you're likely to have later. A thousand percent. And it's like Jason said, he had a direction. Like he knew that's what he wanted to do. So what? Why I'm over here with, you know, all my energy needs to go to my dream and in order to accomplish my dreams, it needs incredible focus and dedication to this. It doesn't mean you're, you know, sitting at home playing video games doing something. Right. No, and you need to pay the rent, too, right, JB? Yeah. I mean, it's real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to keep the lights on. So Chris, so, so then talk to me about keeping up with the Kardashians. Like, how did it start? What did it do for you? Were you apprehensive about doing it? Because you're like, oh my god, there's a camera, like what? And what was your perception of beginning the show and when did it start to change? Yeah. And did this start? Did it start? Does the story right? Or Ryan C. Chris started talking to you about this perhaps? And on the heels of the Osborne getting a lot of traction and is this, is the timing right? Do I have that right? No. Right. Well, I think a lot of people talk to me and a couple of my older kids from time to time, but always, I mean, for years had said to me, you're a family. You've got to do a reality show because nobody would believe what goes on in this, it's a life process. Today's Brady Bunch. Right. And it was just, you couldn't make any of it up. And so I eventually decided to create this show in my mind and it kind of lived up there for a while. And then I remember we had been approached by a company years ago and they thought it was a good idea. And my best friend was living in New York and she was doing a talk show, Kathy Lee Gifford and Kathy Lee Gifford. Oh, yeah. And she was, you know, she was Kendall and Kylie's Godmother and she would, you know, when, when they were born and she would always go, oh my God, you guys are wild. You know, this is crazy and she'd come visit and think people have got to see what's going on. And I just thought it was normal, you know, I thought I'm living the life. And one night this girl, Deena Katz came over to my house and she's the casting director for many shows amongst them dancing with the stars and things like that. And she's close friends with Ryan Seacrest. So she came over and she couldn't believe what was happening in my house on like a Tuesday. Wait, what's going on? First spaghetti. First spaghetti. I mean, just the people that would call or stop by just a lot of celebrity interaction and drama and just wild, it was just extraordinary. And she would listen to my life and think it was, you know, wild and so she said, I'm going to present this to Ryan Seacrest. So the next day, I spoke to Ryan's team and went in for a meeting a couple days later. They had just signed a production deal with E, NBC, Comcast. And they then, you know, Ryan presented it to the network. They picked it up and 30 days later, we were shooting, keeping up with the Kardashians. Wow, amazing. So it happened really fast. Wow. What was the conversation like with the kids like, did it take, do you have to twist any arms or were they excited about the idea or? Listen, at that point, I mean, to this day, I'm still at the, I'm still their manager. But at the time, I was nobody's manager. I was Courtney and I were working in our clothing store called a smooch and the girls had a store called Dash near buying calibases and it was, I just said, family, I have this opportunity. And this is what I want us to do. And everybody said, okay, you know, I'm not going to lie, Courtney kind of looked at me sideways like mom. And I'm like, Courtney, we can sell more t-shirts. Imagine the shows in, you know, it's a global network. It'll air in 200 countries. Why not? You know, I saw an opportunity. And it was, it was just something that I wanted to do because it was also going to help me keep the lights on. Yeah. If I'm being honest, it was like an income. Yeah. And Kendall and Kylie were 9 and 10. Wow. Kylie was 9 years old. That's amazing. Kendall was 10 and I told them what was happening and I said, guys, you don't have to be on the show. But if you want to come and be a part of it, you can film on the weekends or holidays or after school or, you know, whenever it's appropriate. And that's kind of how it got started. And that was, we started filming, I think, 2000, maybe six, it aired in 2007. And right now, we work for Disney. We're filming the Kardashians. And this is season 28. Wow. Unbelievable. So what was the, what was the ask like, how did you present this to them? Like, was it, well, the cameras are only going to be here for like an hour a day or they're going to be constantly set up or they're going to be fixed cameras and there won't be any camera operator. So you won't really know like, how was it, how does it, how did it start then versus how is it now and what were the expectations as far as their, their, their role would be? Right. Well, they, we all fell into it like a fish and water. It was quite extraordinary and you can't do something, listen, I can create something and I can produce something, but I can't, you can't control other people even though they're your kids. I mean, I have a great deal of, of love and respect for my children and I'm never going to make them do something that they don't want to do. But it was, I was in heaven because everybody, a crew shows up. We had, we started with one crew, so it's like, maybe three cameras, two cameras and sound. Do they come in like seven, eight, seven a.m. Or are they? We started very, very early in glam at seven, but the first season, we literally were filming seven or eight days a week and about 18 hours a day. Oh my gosh. Not exaggerating. I don't know. I used to say to myself, I'd look in the mirror in the morning and go, I don't know if this is sustainable. Well, am I going to get through the day? And then we would just keep filming, filming, filming. And in those days, editing, we, I, I'm probably, I, I, I don't know if this is accurate. I'm probably one of the only, um, women in reality television world that has editing rights to our show. Right. I'm able to take anything out and that was from the very start. You, you, you had day one. I said, I'm not doing this unless I, so the key to, you could tell the kids, don't worry about it. We do. You just let it all fly. Let it all hang out. Yeah. Right. What's interesting about that is over the years from day one, when we knew we had that freedom and that kind of power, so to speak, um, it made us more comfortable. Yeah. It made us, um, be the way we always are and how we're bonded together as a family because we're very close to each other. And we were able to say things that were, you know, very intimate or, you know, only our family knew or whatever it was, but things started to, you know, develop in a way that we, I was thinking to myself, you know, oh my goodness, this is really crazy. And knowing that we could take it out and, you know, we never did. We really would come. We would have a meeting and we would say, you know, the FBI showed up today, you know, or Kylie ended up in season episode one, season one, is a nine year old child on a stripper pole. What? And I had the, you know, and I'm looking at the footage going, how did this happen? How did this happen? I left Kim and Robin Anton in a room for five minutes and Kylie's on a stripper pole. You know, so it was really insane. Anyway, it turns out that the things that I would remove or take out ended up to be oh my God, the back of my hair looks crazy. Yeah. Take that out. Or I look so fat or can somebody fix my lipstick like, look, so that's the guy I was so vain. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. been on TV and I had done QVC and I had done things with Bruce Jenner and all the stuff, but I'd never been on a television show that was unscripted like that and it was a very vulnerable feeling. So that starts to happen, so the vulnerability I can only imagine, because we know what it's like a little bit. We talked about it earlier about stuff happens and then people out in the world have a right to comment on it, especially now in real time and stuff, just to go through that experience, especially early on when it was early social media days when you guys started, it was really early, I mean, and to have people commenting on your life on your parenting life, you say, with this trimmer panel or other thing, and your kids growing up and people have opinions in real time, there's nobody bigger than you guys at a certain point, you sort of, you guys rock it to fame and everybody in the world has an opinion on you and your family and your kids and blah, blah, blah. How did you kind of meet that and ride with that over the years? As you say, you just finished season 28. You've obviously found a place on your way to accommodate that, but what was that like? What was that learning curve like to deal with that? You know what, I think it was one day at a time, it was leaning on each other, it was learning from one another, it was understanding that it takes an entire village to do what we do. And then it was all these realizations over the years that occurred to us. And first of all, we had to have really thick skinned, and I said to my kids very early on because they were a lot younger. I mean, when I started the show, I had no grandchildren, now I have 13, I mean life changes so fast. That's amazing. So I said to my children, because they were young enough for me to tell them what to do still, and I do tell them what to do every single day, but sometimes they don't listen. So I told them, nobody's going on the internet, nobody's engaging in the bullshit, and that was after the first episode. And I had even close friends that I trusted that would have one eyebrow up going, really the stripper pole, not knowing that Oprah just had the stripper pole on episode of her show, because it was the new exercise, the craziness that everybody was doing this. And Rob and Anton had come over to show Kim how to use it, because Kim had bought me one for Mother's Day, and to do my exercise, and Kylie ends up on it, but it was just they wanted to edit it a certain way, and it wasn't really edited. It was just like people took it a certain way, and I just said, let it fly, we know what happened, who cares? Yeah, I was going to say, I would imagine that a lot of this stuff, the element of the world now, having access inside the serenity of somebody's home, I can imagine would only make you guys closer, and that you guys are the only ones that know the real story, really are what we really feel, juxtapose to this outside opinion, multiplied by millions. I guess you were kind of forced to quickly say, well, that's their kind of idea, their opinion, their narrative, versus what the real thing is, almost makes you guys even more solid and intimate, and a unit, yes? I think so. I think we felt really close, we felt like we could always help each other out. I remember, you know, when we first started the show, for example, there was no Instagram, there was no Snapchat, there was barely Twitter, and Ryan C. Chris called me up one day and he goes, you know, you might want to tell Kim about this little thing called Twitter. I'm not really sure what it is, I'm like Twitter, what is Twitter? And so, you know, Kim, you got to get on Twitter, and you know, we just helped each other learn and grow, and it takes a village to do what we're doing. And then on top of all of it, the years went by and we realized how many thousands of people we employ, who the network employs, the people that benefit and have, we've had people that work for us for years, write to us, like write notes to us and say, you know, and hand them to us and say, thank you for changing my life, thank you for giving me purpose, thank you for giving me a job, thank you for, you know, so you start with the smallest things, the assistance, the glam teams, the people who are getting us from one point to another, all the, the fashion side of it, the, you know, it's just tens, you know, thousands and thousands of people, and then as time went on and, you know, we started making money and we were able to give back to things that meant a lot to us and help people that were less fortunate. And, you know, that felt good and, you know, so it's been an evolution of our whole process. Yeah, and even specifically what, what the social media has, has done, it wasn't around when you started now, and of course it's around, but the way in which you guys are such a presence there as well, and, and talk to us a bit about how that, that's, I think, helped me educate me. It is, it is one of the major engines to some of the stuff that you, that you guys do, sort of your brand positioning and, and leveraging one and, and being spokesman for other things. It all sort of exists almost entirely on some of it on this, on this platform versus, you know, linear TV and, and, and, and, and whatnot, yeah. It's what, it's how the business has evolved for many businesses around the world, you know, having this example that was, that started actually when Kim got on Twitter, that first, that example I gave you when she first learned about it, and I remember she was the first one who really, she really educated us about, meaning my family and I, about how she could communicate with the audience and be a part of the Twitter universe by engaging in these conversations. And she genuinely loved it, like she would, I remember the first time, and I think she was the first one to do this. She sent a tweet to her fans and to all the viewers of her show and ever just out there in the world. And she said, I'm going to launch this fragrance. And here are the two, you know, packaging options, the bottles. Do you guys like this choice or this choice, you know, the pink or the black or whatever it was? And the response was overwhelming. And I knew that she was so smart. And so not that it was, you know, she wasn't in any way being manipulative. She was being genuinely wanting her own focus group. She was able to, you know, put together this group of people that was, that she, no one would have had access to in the entire world except for her. And as her numbers grew, her audience grew, our audience grew. And then one by one is as different social media platforms emerged. And we're developed and as all of my, you know, me and my, my children all became very active on all these social media platforms and the numbers grew and it's just snowballed. And I think like if you added up all the numbers and you added up all the kids and all the platforms, there's a couple, you know, on and our global network with Disney and where it shows in over 200 countries and on and on every single day. And Disney just bought the rights to keep being up with the Kardashians. They just bought all the, they archived. Yeah. So, you know, there's billions of people daily who are not only that, you said that you, you know, thousands of people you employed. If you think about it, you launched an entire industry in that you guys were the, the first people to understand the power of, as you pointed out that example with Kim of using social media and creating that and Jason says sort of establishing the brand and putting that out there, all these people in the world who now make a living doing that, they can all, they all have really, in effect, you guys to think. Well, it's also now that it's the major engine for many of the mainstream traditional legacy corporations all took it from you guys. Everybody. It airlines to, to companies to, to, to, to oil companies like everybody wants to figure out how to harness the power of that direct one-to-one connection to your customer. And it's about reach. It's about connecting with the people that are actually engaged with your product. You guys have this enormous power and influence in that space. I would imagine, and you don't have to answer this, but I would imagine that you're constantly being corded, solicited by any number of companies to help them understand how they can reach more of their customers. or stay engaged with them, amplify what it is that they need. - Chris, wait till you see Jason's hair thing. They just hit for Jen, it's amazing. - We're true, you know, listen, everyone's trying. - That's right, babe. - We'll be right back. And back to the show. - I would bet it's, you can be, you could probably spend all your time just trying to educate people on how to best integrate. - Utilize their social media. Well, it's like when Kylie launched her lip kit in all those 10 years ago. It was insane because I went to her about, I don't know, a month before the launch, knowing that she was gonna create this thing. She goes, "Mom, I know what I want to do for the rest of my life and it's beauty." And I want to, you know, do this lip kit. And now you've got to take this and run with it and figure out how to make it. And so I contacted some people I knew that could do this, they made it. And I said, "So what are we doing about the marketing?" Like, you know, we need an ad in people magazine and we need to have a billboard. And you know, she goes, "Are we okay, mom?" Like, I know what I'm doing, just relax. And I said, "I can't relax." You just spent every dime you've ever made on keeping up with the Kardashians to start your own brand by yourself with your own money. And I'm a little nervous, mom's a little, you know, you're 17 years old. So what are you doing? And she said, "I know what I'm doing." And so I'll never forget the mornings she launched her brand, which was the first time she disrupted an entire beauty business. - Yeah. - Because she pressed send on the link to go buy this and put a post out, go buy my lip kit. And I think it was four seconds and we thought the site crashed. Because we had to, you know, and it was just sold out in seconds. - Wow, wow. - And then we knew, you know, and she developed that was her, that, you know, and then then it was on. She was the first one to do that. - The first one to do that. - We need to have a meeting with you all morning. We need to have an hour meeting with you. - Okay, I'll do it. - Okay, guys, come on over. - I'm in Chloe's podcast for a month. She'll never know. - Yeah, so much so. - So when you say, when you say one of the first, do you, do you mean about how sort of the brick and mortar sort of model of, yeah. - Yeah, I think how to sell a beauty brand online like that had never been done or any brand, well. And also, I think Kim was probably the first to ever sell a fragrance. Think about this. Millions of fragrances online without ever smelling it. - Yeah, wow. - Is that not crazy? Yeah, I'll take that fragrance and you've never, you're trusting that you want to smell like Kim. Meanwhile, the first fragrance is still the fragrance that I wear. - Really? - Every day and every day somebody goes, oh, what is that? It smells so good, so I'm so proud of that moment for her. - How was the smelling sessions for that as you guys were developing that? Sniffing a bunch of stuff and narrowing down what the scent would be. - Kim and I, yeah, Kim and I went to a fragrance company in New York a few times. And by the way, this whole journey, everything I'm telling you, all the stories I could go on for days is all on film for keeping up with the Kardashians and now the Kardashians. And that I'm so grateful for because I have the best home movies in the world. - Right. - And I have all these beautiful, I mean, I remember we were filming, we filmed the birth of Mason. - Good God. - And I'm like, we film that? Like, I sit and go, we film that? But we did. - I always think that's wild because my sister just sent me an audio clip that she found when she was 12 years old and it's really scratchy and you can barely hear it. You can tell it's her, which is so different than how kids grow up now, they have everything, they have home movies every day, you know, because of social media. - It's high quality. - It's high quality. It looks like yesterday. - Yeah, it looks like yesterday, so it's a weird thing about how memories now are stored in our brains. The kids now store differently than the four of us do because we didn't have that, you know, it's not archived as a kid, we didn't have any archives. - De, can I ask you guys a question? - Yeah, of topic. - Off topic. Okay, good. So, do any of you ever go back and really look at the photos? - Yeah, I do. - Do you have a million of in your phone? You do? - Yeah, mostly of my kids. - Oh, no, not my phone. - No, not at the phone. - When I was a kid, like the actual hard copy photo that was taken. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, so you know what I do? Every year, at the end of the year, before January 1st, I edit all my photos in my phone. So I, you know how you take 75 photos of one thing. Edit, edit, edit, get it to where those photos on your phone are what you love. And there's probably 3,000 or whatever that is. - That's a big job. - I have them taken to a very trusted printer that I've been using for since the early '90s, literally. And they print them out. And I put them in an archival photo box. And they're in my archive. And I have a hard copy of every single photo that I've ever taken. - That's true. - Because I'm probably the only one in my family who will do that. So that, you know, many, many moons from now, they can look back and go, I remember this, like going through the photos is such a thing for me. And how I have memories of my family, my grandmother. And, you know, so I think everybody should go copy their phone once a year. - It's a great idea. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And archive it in a box, I get, I think I get them at like the container stores. But there's archival boxes, you can get them on Amazon. And they protect the photo. But for everyone who has kids, you know, it's so special. - Yeah, it is. - That's my tip for the day. - You should have a party and just go through each page one by one, right? And just do like a four day party of just like each page. - Or turn on Keeping Up with the Kardashians. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or do that. - Chris, with all your incredible business success, I bet you're most proud of what seems to be an incredible ability to be both a manager and a mother to not one but six of your children. And where both of those hats in a way, 'cause my parents were my manager as well when I was growing up. And I remember that was a, it was a tricky challenging thing for both them and me to manage together. - Navigate, yeah. - And try to keep both of those sides of our lives pristine and honored. And where one is sort of like a peer relationship and the other one is that sort of traditional deferential relationship where the kid looks up to the parent and completely listens to and defers to and follows behind kind of thing. So they're not at odds with one another, but there's a few areas of overlap but they are different. And so your ability to do that, it seems has been incredibly successful 'cause all your kids from what I can see just seem incredibly well grounded and kind. And so can you talk a little bit about that? - I think, first of all, my most important role is mom. So I recognize that and that's the most important thing in my life and I feel like God has put me here at this point in my life to make sure they're okay. And I think every parent's dream is for your child to identify what they want to do in their life and go out there and find how their dream can come true, help them get there, set them off and set them up and good to go. Like that's my, I mean, when I think about my kids and I go down the line and go, okay, today this one's okay, I gotta do, you know, but in general, to have your kids at a really good happy place, whether they wanna be a housewife and a mom, whether they wanna be an athlete, whether they, whatever their dream is, if they're happy and the most important thing for me is I always say, God, first, family, second, everything else is third. And I've always raised my children like that. And I've always raised my kids to be, all that matters to me is that they have good hearts. They have integrity, character, great character, great integrity, they would help people that need them and they're kind, beyond time, be kind, be gentle with people you never know what kind of a day they've been having, but stick up for yourself and be strong when you need to be strong. And all the things, you know, all the things and that it means the most to me when I hear other people's experiences with my kids and daily if I show up to something and someone's been there before me, like let's say I was on this podcast and maybe one of my kids had done it or somebody came up to me Saturday night at a dinner and said, I have the store in over here where we were and your children come in there from time to time and I've never met more kind, gentle people in my life. the nicest people I've ever met. - You tell me here that my heart just swells. I'm so happy, because that's all that matters. - Yeah, you know what Chris is funny, you say that. So I was gonna say, and you guys will relate to this, is there's no greater feeling than when somebody says to you, hey, I just ran into your kids, your kids are great, that your kids are so nice, it feels so good. You never get tired of hearing that. - Never. - When somebody compliments your kid on their character, ever, and I will say this, I don't know your kids, and I, but I have heard, and this is anecdotal, but I have heard time and time again over the years, what nice people your kids are. I'm not making this up. I have heard that so many times. - That makes me so happy. - It's absolutely true. - I've had a couple bad encounters. I'm just gonna be honest with you. - That's different, Sean, though. I mean, you're so confidential. - Sean, we can't hear you anymore, sorry, bitch. (laughing) - Yep, I think you're Mike Bueno. (laughing) - No, lovely, I too have met them, and they're just so genuine. - I love you. - I love them. I love you. I had that great time with them. - I know. - Yes, okay. - No. - Sorry, how much for them? - I'm gonna text you right after this, okay. - Wait, text, text me, do I still, you guys? - I have your number. - Do I still have? - I would imagine that, I mean, your days, my God, I can't imagine how full your days are. With all the business stuff, all the parenting stuff, you'd have to delegate a great deal. And I'm sure you've got incredible people around you, but what is the thing that you simply cannot delegate, will not delegate? - Well, let's put it this way. At the end of the day, especially lately, the year started off like, whoa, if you were on a treadmill at like level 62. - Yeah. - I get at the end of the day, decision fatigue. - Yeah. - If you can imagine, like, I start off so early, like at five a.m., I let people have access to me at that hour, meaning, I alert people, hey, we're rolling, you know, I'll call, I'll text for a turnie, a business manager, somebody in Europe, somebody in New York, like, okay, we're ready to go and it never ends. So I think that, you know, just being able to juggle, I feel like sometimes, some days are like that guy in the circus where he's got the plates in the air and you just keep taking the stick and spinning them all, you know, just making sure they're all spinning. Some days, if they're like that, that's a chill day. But if it's really buckling down, putting out fires, I mean, most days I'm a fireman. So putting out fires, making sure everybody's okay. And then, like this morning, I got a very, like, I'm 6 a.m. call from Kylie. And she just wanted to, you know, go through something personal that she was like, wanting an opinion on. So stop the, you know, the momager hat, roll into, okay. And I just got my coffee again and sat down and listened to the whole thing, gave my opinion, where we're good to go. She goes, okay, it's going to be okay, mommy. It's going to be great. Okay, we're good. And so everybody needs, you know, that emotional check in every day and we all just, like, I get a million times a day from Chloe. I love you, mom. Mom, you're the best. And my kids are so Kim and I, for the last two days, texting, you know, all day from London and then Paris because she's at the skims opening in those two cities. And then, you know, so there's always business to talk about. And then an influx of photos from the event that they're at or, you know, all of it, you know, all of it. And it's been great. It's a great journey. What kind of crisis would it be if you woke up one day and you forgot to plug your phone in overnight? Well, that would be bad. Right? That would be bad. But I would imagine even waking up with a full charge, you're charging that phone around four o'clock every day anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure, especially if you have like a little zoom in between. Yeah. That's a little bit of a dreamer. But it's, yeah, no, you just, you know, you have to be prepared and ready for everything, I guess. I think I'm, I'm great at multitasking. Yeah. And I'm great at, I think I have, you know, emotionally, I'm, I'm pretty strong. I cry on a dime. I'll cry at a commercial. Yeah, I mean, or, you know, or if I think about something really sad, I'll, you know, I get all welley. So I try to stay out of the, that danger zone. Yeah. I try to, like, we don't need any tears today. But I'm a very, I think I'm a very emotional person. But I think I have good, you know, emotional intelligence. You don't have to say who, but I would ask, is there somebody in your life or probably a few, maybe, that you can, that you can dump all this stuff on. And you don't have to be the person who calls everything constantly. Yeah. Sorry Sean. Sean carries a weight around my family. But you know what I love it. Yeah. You do. You're good at it too. You're very strong. Sean. What do you, what, what, what, what do people think you control that you absolutely do not? A skim's discount. Yeah. People wanting to get a little break, because they know you. A skim's discount. Yeah. Anyway, if yeah, but Jason's previous question was good. Of course, you don't have to say names, but who is that? Who is that person that you get to lean on at the end of the day? Is it your kids? You know what? I'll tell you something. It depends on the subject and what's going on. I do have a selection. One of my best friends, Shelley Azoff, is we'll talk about the craziest stuff and we just get each other. Yeah. And then I don't have to talk to her for two weeks. She's not that person who's needy and, you know, needs me to, you know, emotionally chuck him with her all the time. And then my cousin, CC, but you know, and then Corey, my partner, of course, like my boyfriend, he's amazing. He's probably thinking, this is why I sometimes I want to just go in his brain and, you know, wonder, he's probably thinking, what did I go into? But he loves us all so much and is so great. So he, you know, obviously the person that you live with is the person that that probably hears and gets the brunt of it through and through, but you know, who's so amazing and supportive are my kids. And each one for a different reason, like if there's a real drama with somebody, I'll tell you the times. I don't know how Chloe carries it. Chloe, you guys have to have, you haven't had Chloe on yet, right? No, no, no. Chloe is such a great guest. But Chloe, Chloe is a, is a, is a saint. She's an angel. She's not only is like the Pied Piper with all the kids and she's the one who every single weekend has the sleepover and is making Taco Tuesdays for all the kids and having Bible study on Thursday nights for the kids in her house. And I mean, she's like all the cousins are, you know, she's the Pied Piper. She's the cutest thing ever. But she's also got such amazing, intense emotional support to offer if you're going through something. It's so intelligent about stuff. It's really great. And so's Kim. And all of them. I mean, I was talking to Kylie, like I said this morning about something else. But they're also, you know, kindles like my therapist. And if I want to talk about anything in the environment, you know, Courtney's my go-to and she'll come over and throw all my pots and pans away. So, you know, they're all, they're, we're also connected. But so, when the house thinned out because I'm dealing with this now, one just went off to college and my youngest, I've got another few years, but I'm already just like dreading being an empty nester. I'm just going to miss them so much as your house started to thin out. And now it's just, now it's just you and Corey, right? Right. Well, okay. So the part that maybe you're missing is I live in a gated community. And we all live down the street from each other. Right. So it's so it's. So he lives next door. She lives 50 feet away. Right. So it doesn't get any closer than that without being in the same bedroom. Right. That's right. And then I'll come home and, you know, I mean, Kendall's the only one who lives a little bit further, but everyone, we all live in the same area where all of each other's houses and, and, you know, I'll call Kim's house at least three times a week. Do you guys have any food over there? I'm starving. I don't buy it. And then somebody runs over to get it. It's like it's very, I can only imagine that the holidays are just like this, just like a night. So fun. Just all those. Would you say 13 grandkids running around? It's our super bowl. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's delicious. And one of the kids has Christmas Eve. We usually do a big Christmas Eve party. And then I do Christmas morning. That's my tradition. And we have so many amazing traditions in our family. We celebrate, you know, Groundhog Day. We celebrate everything. Really? We can't wait to do a party. We can't wait to celebrate somebody's special occasion or event or, you know, the kids graduating from kindergarten or, you know, it makes life really special. And you're keeping up on all that stuff will be a full time job for me as it is right there. She's keeping up with the Kardashians. - Yeah, there you go. - When you say your kids are like an empty nest thing, and your kids are getting older and it happens so fast. And I think that it's just really important to remember that they're not far away and just create these memories and moments as much as you can to stay connected. Because people ask me a lot, how do you raise a family? You guys are all so close. Genuinely close. And, you know, I often say you just, it's not something that you can really teach. It's something that you just have to feel and do. - Yeah, I gotta tell you, we've done, how many of these have we done you guys? A couple hundred? - We've done like 300? - This is the first time, not no joke, that I've looked at the clock and been shocked that we are at an hour 15. - I know. - This is how I thought we were like an hour, I thought we were like 40 minutes. I'm, first of all, I'm sorry that we're 15 minutes over. - It's fine. Chloe's, Chloe's, I'm gonna have a meeting with her and we're filming our show. And she's probably gonna walk into our studio and go, what the hell are you doing? (laughing) - Before, before we let you go, excuse me, I wanna talk about All Sphere, just for one quick second or a long sec, if you want. The show on Hulu, Executive Producing on, like, so now this is scripted, yes. - Yes. - And. - Ryan Murphy's producing, writing, directing. - And this, do you prefer the scripted stuff? Do you wanna mix it all in? Do you wanna go, how much, tell us about the ratio between scripted and unscripted going forward for you guys? - So, doing an unscripted show is truly unscripted for us. We have no scripts, we, I don't even know, half the time I'm being perfectly honest, what we're gonna film that day. I'll know, on my schedule, amongst all the other things I'm doing that day, it'll be glam. Kardashians is filming, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes I don't know what's happening. I think, I knew my crew was gonna be here today because I do know that we're gonna film something later and I'm working with Chloe and I think, Kylie's probably here, but I'm really not sure. Some days, like what we're eating, but it always works out and it's always magic. So, that's that side of it. I don't think honestly, I could do more than one of those types of shows because it's not something that I wanna manufacture, what's going on. And at that point, what else is there to talk, so it would have to be scripted. - So, when Ryan Murphy came over for dinner one night and I said to him, come by, 'cause as I said, we're all, we all live down the street from each other. I said, come over, Ryan Murphy's gonna come over. I'm so obsessed with him and we love what he does and all of that, so he came over. And I remember, we had a conversation and I said, why don't, he said, why don't you, you know, to him, you know, maybe we could work together and I said, Ryan, maybe write a show for her. Like why don't you write something and we'll do something really exciting. In the meantime, he put her in American Horror Story which she did a great job and she's not a trained actress. She did phenomenal and she got, she was happy with it. She'd love the process, which I thought was a little concerning to me because there's a lot of waiting around. There's a lot of structure. There's a lot of, it's much, much different. And bring the camera over, I'll shoot it on my iPhone. You know, I'm doing a reality show. It's much obviously you guys know that better than in year three actors. You know, we're not actors by trade. And so when she did it, she loved the process and then I've suddenly got a call from Ryan and he said, I have something for you and I said, hold up, come over, let me get my crew. So he came over to the house. We had a Martini, he presented this idea for Kim for All's Fair. And we love the idea Kim signed on. They talked about who would be her co-stars. And let me tell you something. These women were so generous and kind and amazing to her and really wrapped their arms around her. And Ryan Murphy surrounded her with the most incredible group of women. And we had the time of our lives. She suddenly had a renewed spirit. She was making friends with people. She would never, you know, have these relationships with. And I saw her beaming, you know, and really enjoying what she was doing. And now got picked up for season two. - Ryan is amazing. - And it's been, you know, Sarah, Sarah Paulson and Glenn Close and Tiana Taylor and Naomi Watts and Neesey Nash and Kim. And this beautiful cast and the fashion that they all loved. And they just all loved hanging out with Kim. She loved hanging out with them. And I saw this genuine friendship evolve and develop over time. And it's been really, really amazing for me to get to witness that for my daughter. I'm so proud of her. - That's great, yeah. Really, really great. - Yeah, and they're going into season two. And that's a big deal. And they start next month. So I'm really excited. And now Kim is filming her, well, not her first movie, but a big movie that's a comedy. And it's going to be really, really good. It's called Fifth Wheel. - Very, that's great. - I'm glad things are finally working out for you guys. And you know, you're starting to get a little wind at your backs. - Yeah. - You know, which is trying, man. I, you know, every day, it's a grind. - Chris, it's just, it really is incredible. I'm so, so thankful that you came on and you'd spent more than an hour with us telling us how you've done it all and how you continue to do it all. And we're rooting for you. We'll be watching all the next years going forward with this incredible story, truly. - I appreciate you guys so much. And thank you for being so lovely and supportive. And I'm just grateful to be a part of this, you know, life and the entertainment community and to be able to add a little something. And I just, I come from a place of incredible gratitude. So for everybody that watches our show or is given us any kind of support or kindness or just, you know, just, you know, being watching from afar, it means the world. And, you know, I think that, you know, it's just, it's great to be and come from a place of gratitude and just be kind to each other. - Yeah, well, audience is certainly grateful for what you've done. - Well, we love you. - We love you. - Yeah, love you guys so much. - Thank you guys so much. - Thank you so much for coming today. - And Jason, I can't wait for our next vacation with Amanda. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, us too. Us too. - Okay. - We'll play. - Okay, we'll play. - Okay, good. - All right. - All right, thank you very much. - Bye guys. - Thanks Chris. - Bye, honey. - See ya. - Bye, bye. - Bye. - Wow, yeah, that was our house. - All right. - Yeah. - I honestly, I didn't, I did not realize the time. I could have, I could have listened to her, explain it all. - I know. - Or even longer. - She's so well-spoken and succinct. - There's so much more to this. - Yeah, that's her man. - I know. - What? - I heard days. - A thousand things going on. - She's starting at five in the morning, and probably goes till 10 at night on something that you just can't phone in. - Yeah. - Right? - I mean, the switch has got to be flicked on, and she is just running shit. I mean, if I have like two things in my day that I've got to like focus on, I'm like, oh, damn it. When can I put my PJs back on? - I know. - It's after four o'clock. - Forget it. - Forget it. - Oh. - I know what you're saying. - But yeah, I love the entrepreneurial ship and the philanthropy, and she's just a cool hang. - Yeah. - I like it. - And you know, she's so unique. - Uh-oh. - She's so unique, and she's so different. - It's so different. - It's really like one and a million. - She's really, she's like a human being that's not. - Really hard to. - It's not easy to come by. - Yeah. - Bye. - That's the sentence. - Come by. Can I use it to come by? - Oh, okay. - Yeah, it's someone like her. It's not easy to come by. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Smiles. Smiles. Smiles. Smiles. Blast. - Smiles is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Rob Armjurf, Bennett Barbaco, and Michael Granterry. - Smiles. Blast.