Koby Runs the Supernova Gauntlet: Davy’s Dark Tournament (Ep. 64)

propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes this is crashing again all right it says i'm live let's see let's see let's see let's see man are we live let me know if we're live everybody let me know if we're live let me know if you can hear my voice you can see the things yeah and i'm saying we're live all right hello and welcome everyone to another episode of the topt uh davies dark tournament my name is sebastian i'm joined by larry and twilight and this should be a really fun stream everybody um we're bringing back the gauntlets huh they can't see me bro i can't see you oh there you go there you are is that is that better does that make you feel better that you can be seen is that a better experience for you you want me to you want us to do the dual camera where's both of us oh no no i gotta i gotta adjust some things for that my bad listen bro i need to be like that ungrateful ex that just wants attention from everybody except you bro well hello everybody welcome um like the stream if you haven't already it does help with the youtube algorithm yo larry it still says preparing stream on my end when i try to like look at the youtube is that are you seeing that or are we live did you reload the page because you're yeah yeah yeah i don't i don't notice anything like that in this room i'm seeing it i'm scared to hit reset you know i'm saying i don't think you should hit reset i think all right then i i might need i i can't see top chat i can't see live chat i can't see anything though so i don't know man i'm a little worried about it just go to youtube and i'm on youtube bro i'm on the well hold on i guess i can go to youtube a different way oh hold on my bad my bad why is sebastian every time bro yo it it don't be my fault man they really don't i don't think that's how accountability works bro yo if it was my fault i would acknowledge it it don't be though you know no like yo i don't know why i keep doing really really hard math you know i just do it why meth bro absolutely insane but for those of y'all that aren't familiar with how we do the gauntlet style ddt runs we have somebody in this case kobe run the supernova gauntlet where he does the gauntlet style ddt runs and he does the gauntlet style ddt runs and he does the gauntlet style ddt run where he'll have full recovery after each round and basically y'all will vote up in groups of five or more to determine how far y'all believe kobe will get on the gauntlet essentially if you think he clears the round he'll say he gets to this round or that round so right now we have him facing but basil hawkins scratchman in round one scratchman in round two x drake in round three killer in round four and eustace captain killer in round four and eustace captain killer in round four and eustace captain kid in round five so if you think he clears let us know that he clears the gauntlet if you think he loses in round one say he stops at hawkins if you think he loses in round three say he stops at x drake we will have a deliberation round for you guys to go in order to see who you guys think how far you think the person goes and and to argue for why you think they get as far as you believe they do or how short they'll stop at you know it should be really interesting we wanted to bring back deliberations and rebuttals to the gauntlet style ddt run the ddt which is something that shin used to absolutely love doing so r.i.p to our guy shin larry i haven't talked to you almost at all about this gauntlet i don't know where your mind is going and where you think kobe stops well i guess we'll get your take a little bit in a little bit but how you feeling about this one any issues with the with the structure how i laid it out should should people be in different spots let me know i didn't run this by you i probably should no i think you hit it right on the you know the head right on the head right on the head right on the alley bro okay i think you know exactly how you went is exactly the same way i would have went about it too okay i thought about putting hawkins a little higher just because of the weirdness of his ability but you know he's one of the only ones on here that's straight up just taking an l so i had to give him first round yeah that's your favoritism coming into play bro i like hawkins i always have listen he's a tricky fighter for kobe we'll see man we'll see we'll see is he so i that was a piece i wanted to ask you what are we doing parameters wise with hawkins and dolls for route for for for round one are we bro what are we doing i'm asking you i'm asking you brother you can't be like yo all of a sudden he has kaido's doll i ain't giving him kaido's doll listen that's what you use in here right now talking about he was talking about garp dolls don't put that on me was that not you put that on me was that not you don't put that on me now look i i i did say all it has to do is be fair and reasonable but somebody else pitched that okay i said a habari doll or like a helmepo doll or like just 10 dolls you know like how many dolls are we giving hawkins i feel like you know when we talk about gauntlets right and it's one person versus the other person it's usually like yo i just saw you on a field that nobody has advantage and it's scrap time you feel me uh-huh the most you could give hawkins at least i would say is his own crew okay of lackeys that he has as dolls and that's acceptable but if you start giving him habari and kaido why are we handicapping like why are we giving him such a high handicap like come on let the dude fight on his own if you think he can't fight on his own then this is but this is how he fights that's my point this is that's a part of his kid like i said i would judge with the clones if you were to play as hawkins in a fighting game this is what he would be able to do your your your theoretical uh stance on him just grabbing people and making them dolls he has only done once and it was at the mercy of kid already knocked out by kaido not at any point has he ever had anybody else within his dolls except his own crew so stop doing that okay so how many dolls do you want to give them you could give them 10 okay it don't matter you want to go with 10 you think that's fair is that fair and reasonable it don't matter bro okay it don't they're saying zero dolls zero dolls is crazy he could have he could have 10 whatever dolls he has on deck all the time i think it's 10 if it's 10 let him have 10 bro okay again that's 10 times what you gotta murk them It didn't help Dondo versus Sasuke. It's 11 times. It's not helping Hawkins versus Kobe. 11 times to win, right? Something like that. All right. All right. We'll cap it at 10. No special dolls, Hitta. Okay? No garps. No habaris. No helmepos. None of that. Don't associate my name with that theory, son. Why are you doing that? Listen. Listen. If y'all wanted to do that, then Kobe's allowed to do the punch he did against Pizarro Avalo with Gatling. Is that fair and reasonable? Yeah. He can do a Gatling punch of it. If y'all want to do that, then give him a handicap, too. If we take it back, if we take it back, Seb used that. I think it all started when Seb said, what was it, Saturn can summon Emu against Kaido and Kaido. I don't know. I forget the situation. It started way before that, bro. I've been on this BS a long time. I don't even know if he was part of the discord then. I started with this. This was the mid-tier. I said, Vin Smoke Judge could summon the clones, and Larry crashed out on me. And I thought I was being very reasonable with that. Very reasonable. And he crashed out. The clones? No clones. All right. So it's reasonable, but we're getting to the bad. The bad hashtags of the characters, like the character themselves. Yo, put it this way, Hedda. I just want you to know how ridiculous Larry is. Larry crashed out about me saying that clones are in Judge's kit, but he argued that, who was it? Senior Pink would awaken his armament hockey because he was facing off against Caribou, and he'd be reminded that his wife and child or whatever died in a mudslide, bro. But I was watching. I would know. I was unreasonable. They're equally wild. What did Ray Lee say? Oh, my God. Stop it. Ray Lee said, in the heat of battle, that's when hockey blossoms. All right? You're talking about a man who's versing another man. And he's like, yo, I'm going to jump you, yo. Give me a second, though. Let me go back to my snail house and go grab a couple dudes, yo. mm-hmm amen it's part of the kit but we're gonna to cap it with 10 dolls for hawkins i feel like that might still be excessive but i 10 dolls appreciate y'all put the vote the poll up it seems like 10 was the answer y'all if y'all want to participate in this we're going to be bringing you guys in in waves um right now we only have six people in the den so if you guys are interested you guys are nakama please join in order to participate in this you'll have to become a tiered member on the server uh nakama or lower or a server booster you'll have access to the ddt entrance call-in um channel voice channel on the discord and also uh donations um super chats of five dollars or more will allow for more people to join in on this so if you guys are interested in doing this and only want a one time conversation on this feel free to donate a super chat and say hey i want to join in the discord let us know your name on discord and we can drop you guys in um but yeah i'm really excited to see you guys in the future and i'll see you guys in the next video bye bye get into this one uh we got one super chat that did come in that should be able to get some people in here we got five from jade rude it says i think he stops at drake very hard diff but if he gets to killer then killer wins low diff unfortunately okay we got somebody saying he stops at drake unfortunately super chatted votes don't count you got to get in here and speak your piece as to why each of the contestants uh or the conversators will have one minute to give why they believe this person would go well why they believe kobe will land where they land in the in the the uh call it and then we will have a five minute deliberation round per round so uh where all of you guys will kind of discuss amongst yourselves and determine if you guys want to change your votes um it's really really really cool little addition to the ddt that larry added here we also had keto become a nakama on youtube so welcome uh to the ship all right uh let's get into the game so larry we only have six in here so you want to do like waves of three or groups of two like what do you want to do yeah do that which one do waves of three waves of three all right all right i don't remember who was here first so i'm just gonna go in alphabetical order so it is what it is propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes i think bulldozer was the first person i saw in there though all right hello gentlemen diamond dozer 3d oh damn are y'all there up man yeah freaking scared i got me i'll make conversation like yo where'd i go nah you good man you good welcome um as you guys know we're running gauntlets now and it's going to be the supernova gauntlet i don't know if you guys saw the thumbnail or heard the announcement but it's going to be kobe versus uh round one he'll be facing bazil hawkins round two scratch man apu round three x drake round four killer and round five eustace captain kidd well you got what different why and how far does kobe get in the supernova gauntlet so dozer i believe you were the first person i saw jump in there so i'll open up to you where do you think uh do you think uh kobe stops you'll each have one minute to describe where you think kobe stops or if he clears starting with those um i wasn't watching a lot how many struggles does hawkins get hawkins gets 10 dolls and yeah uh i would be so for real if knowing um diamond said this earlier but knowing kobe's personality he might just not attack hawkins because if there's like civilians or you know he's like he's not trying to hurt anyone so he might just win for that alone but even then it should if you use this on cfx straight off straight off he's just going to get one down and they still have nine more and i don't know if it's i know he was injured i'll talk to you notice about stamina doesn't seem like it's the best so low-key i have himself in the hawkins i'm stopping at hawkins rough man that's tough anymore he needs more that's tough all right you got one awesome impact and that's it okay 3d uh yeah this it's kind of tricky um you know i i love basil d hawkings but give him a d just now ain't no way yeah basil the hockey that's insane uh he's he's my guy but um yeah i think i think he gets past him i think the hockey can i'm pretty sure it can overpower him i think the hockey can i'm pretty sure it can overpower him i think the hockey can i'm pretty sure it can overpower him i think the the dolls um because it's a devil fruit the dolls um because it's a devil fruit the dolls um because it's a devil fruit ability and i'm gonna let him stop i must ability and i'm gonna let him stop i must ability and i'm gonna let him stop i must get have him stop at a poo stops at a poo get have him stop at a poo stops at a poo get have him stop at a poo stops at a poo okay yep all right and diamond okay yep all right and diamond okay yep all right and diamond i mean those are kind of took my takes i'm i mean those are kind of took my takes i'm gonna switch up gonna switch up gonna switch up uh he stopped that x drake okay uh he stopped that x drake okay uh he stopped that x drake okay because um because um because um i'm assuming like the hawkins like the i'm assuming like the hawkins like the i'm assuming like the hawkins like the body or his straw body or his straw body or his straw um aren't gonna be there so kobe won't um aren't gonna be there so kobe won't um aren't gonna be there so kobe won't uh be as affected with like hurting uh be as affected with like hurting uh be as affected with like hurting innocent people potentially innocent people potentially innocent people potentially and plus hawkins doesn't have anything and plus hawkins doesn't have anything and plus hawkins doesn't have anything that can like match honestly impact that can like match honestly impact that can like match honestly impact like an average like an average like an average like combatant like his double food is like combatant like his double food is like combatant like his double food is pretty busted pretty busted pretty busted but kobe has pretty good observation but kobe has pretty good observation but kobe has pretty good observation hockey hockey hockey and i think he'll like edge him out and i think he'll like edge him out and i think he'll like edge him out just barely just barely just barely and then when x drake i feel like that's and then when x drake i feel like that's and then when x drake i feel like that's where he'll stop because x drake is where he'll stop because x drake is where he'll stop because x drake is i believe like a superior in the sword i believe like a superior in the sword i believe like a superior in the sword group group group so he'll be more familiar with kobe's so he'll be more familiar with kobe's so he'll be more familiar with kobe's like skill set i might even know about like skill set i might even know about like skill set i might even know about honesty impact because he's training honesty impact because he's training honesty impact because he's training directly under directly under directly under uh garp so i don't think anything kobe uh garp so i don't think anything kobe uh garp so i don't think anything kobe can do could catch him off guard can do could catch him off guard can do could catch him off guard so i stopped i haven't stopped in that so i stopped i haven't stopped in that so i stopped i haven't stopped in that x-ray okay all right now we'll open up a okay all right now we'll open up a okay all right now we'll open up a deliberation round for each of y'all deliberation round for each of y'all deliberation round for each of y'all for basically five minutes for y'all to for basically five minutes for y'all to for basically five minutes for y'all to kind of kind of kind of talk amongst yourselves so we had three talk amongst yourselves so we had three talk amongst yourselves so we had three different votes different votes different votes one for him stopping at x-ray one for one for him stopping at x-ray one for one for him stopping at x-ray one for him stopping at apu him stopping at apu him stopping at apu and one for him not even getting past and one for him not even getting past and one for him not even getting past basil hawkins so y'all talking amongst basil hawkins so y'all talking amongst basil hawkins so y'all talking amongst yourselves yourselves yourselves determine where y'all think it really determine where y'all think it really determine where y'all think it really is those are still my flow i didn't those are still my flow i didn't those are still my flow i didn't appreciate that appreciate that appreciate that i gave you credit at least i had a copy to my bro copy my answers i had a copy to my bro copy my answers i had a copy to my bro copy my answers and even put and even put and even put my name as his name on the test paper i literally had the same answer i just i literally had the same answer i just i literally had the same answer i just added that part added that part added that part look we can just all vote that he look we can just all vote that he look we can just all vote that he doesn't get past hawkins like doesn't get past hawkins like doesn't get past hawkins like you know yeah basil d hawkins bro okay you know yeah basil d hawkins bro okay you know yeah basil d hawkins bro okay my thing is the basil d hawkins is my thing is the basil d hawkins is my thing is the basil d hawkins is insane bro insane bro insane bro right like that's peak right there i'm right like that's peak right there i'm right like that's peak right there i'm not changing my name that not changing my name that not changing my name that that's me like if hawkins gets hit with that's me like if hawkins gets hit with that's me like if hawkins gets hit with a really strong attack there's only one straw like there's only one straw like there's only one straw like like one straw man or whatever like like one straw man or whatever like like one straw man or whatever like there's only one go away or does any there's only one go away or does any there's only one go away or does any overkill overkill overkill go towards the other i mean keesler was go towards the other i mean keesler was go towards the other i mean keesler was keesler was keesler was keesler was stand attacking the mills just one at a stand attacking the mills just one at a stand attacking the mills just one at a time so time so time so honestly i'll say it's just one and he honestly i'll say it's just one and he honestly i'll say it's just one and he got 10 bro got 10 bro got 10 bro he walks around with 10 typically i he walks around with 10 typically i he walks around with 10 typically i thought about giving him five but thought about giving him five but thought about giving him five but ah okay shouldn't shouldn't hockey like ah okay shouldn't shouldn't hockey like ah okay shouldn't shouldn't hockey like bypass the dolls or am i am i crazy like bypass the dolls or am i am i crazy like bypass the dolls or am i am i crazy like it's i mean i feel like it's always in it's i mean i feel like it's always in it's i mean i feel like it's always in hockey when he fought hawkins hockey when he fought hawkins hockey when he fought hawkins i would assume so i would assume that i would assume so i would assume that i would assume so i would assume that killer was using hawk hockey when he killer was using hawk hockey when he killer was using hawk hockey when he attacked hawkins and he was still hurting attacked hawkins and he was still hurting attacked hawkins and he was still hurting kid so i would you know kid so i would you know kid so i would you know granted he always he only won because he granted he always he only won because he granted he always he only won because he lost an arm yeah because he just had lost an arm yeah because he just had lost an arm yeah because he just had yeah honestly even on the kids i will yeah honestly even on the kids i will yeah honestly even on the kids i will say it's also arguable say it's also arguable say it's also arguable that killer didn't use hockey because he that killer didn't use hockey because he that killer didn't use hockey because he was scared that he would hurt kid was scared that he would hurt kid was scared that he would hurt kid so it's kind of whatever your so it's kind of whatever your so it's kind of whatever your interpretation is of the killer hawkins interpretation is of the killer hawkins interpretation is of the killer hawkins situation situation situation i'm going to disagree with that because i'm going to disagree with that because i'm going to disagree with that because if y'all seen gt when baby took over if y'all seen gt when baby took over if y'all seen gt when baby took over vegeta vegeta vegeta and super saiyan for goku was you know and super saiyan for goku was you know and super saiyan for goku was you know putting putting putting bta on him goku was like i fought with bta on him goku was like i fought with bta on him goku was like i fought with vegeta vegeta vegeta plenty of times this is nowhere near his plenty of times this is nowhere near his plenty of times this is nowhere near his limit i'm assuming killer would know limit i'm assuming killer would know limit i'm assuming killer would know his limit i don't think he'd hold back his limit i don't think he'd hold back his limit i don't think he'd hold back you know i mean he was actually letting you know i mean he was actually letting you know i mean he was actually letting hawkins hurt him right hawkins hurt him right hawkins hurt him right yeah he literally was just crying yeah he literally was just crying yeah he literally was just crying no no no please i mean i will say the please i mean i will say the please i mean i will say the wall wall wall all right we don't need to talk about all right we don't need to talk about all right we don't need to talk about killer because he'll clear killer because he'll clear killer because he'll clear bro killers i don't want to hear no bro killers i don't want to hear no bro killers i don't want to hear no i don't want to hear a killer or a kid i don't want to hear a killer or a kid i don't want to hear a killer or a kid mentioned in this ddt of him making it mentioned in this ddt of him making it mentioned in this ddt of him making it there man there man there man yeah why not it's pot he can get there yeah why not it's pot he can get there yeah why not it's pot he can get there no no no no it's purely bro it's purely bro it's purely bro all right now he's definitely all right now he's definitely all right now he's definitely like doing some damage to kyle one like doing some damage to kyle one like doing some damage to kyle one honesty impact and it barely hurts the honesty impact and it barely hurts the honesty impact and it barely hurts the big moment bro hey hey i'll i'll i'll I'll put him near the Samurai, bro. He can compete with them. Compete with Kaido? No, I mean like how the Samurai were doing like decent stuff against Kaido. Yeah, those are like little pokes, man. Those are like two picks. Yeah, you can do a few little pokes or something like that. Bro, Killer, he took my kid team, but Killer can take some hits. He took that one hit from Big Mom on the rooftop. Yeah, but we're not talking about Killer, bro. I hope he's not talking about Killer. Fair enough, bro. I just got to say it because I know someone named me like. I won't say it. I said it to Drake, but like Apu did fight. And he did fight. CP0. Am I lacking out? Yeah, you were lacking out for a second there, man. My fault. See, Apu did make Luffy's eyes go blank like a couple times, so, you know. We asked. Hey, man. All these people got some level of feats, man. All of them. Apu took Kid's attack, Zora's attack, CP0, Drake. Man, I think it's around one on Sanford. And don't forget, he took a selfie of, like, Luffy in the middle of all that for the bounty, bro. You know, it was him that took the pictures. I thought it was Guernica. It wasn't that CP0 bum. No, it was Guernica. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Why are you lying? Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, nah, bro, he's a fraud. Yo, hold on, hold on, hold on. He's a fraud. We allow for fair and reasonable speculation. Not outright lies, bulldozer. Bro, don't forget, his Viver card said he was the strongest CP0 agent, bro. And we know that was a lie. I don't know, man. CP, actually, like, I'll boost your A, bro. All right, so what's your consensus, man? What's the pick? What do you think? I still say the stop side X-Trey. I still got Basil B. Hawkins. Okay, yeah, I'll stick with mine. Okay, all right, no changes. All right, gentlemen. We might circle back to y'all in a little bit, but appreciate y'all takes. Oh, for real? You're going to circle back? We might. We might. Basil B. Hawkins, bro. Mm-hmm. All right. Yeah, Basil D. How's it going, y'all? Yeah. All right. All right, we did get a couple gifts from Mr. Rich444. It's Finger Hearts, 350 jewels, and another 100 jewels. So thank you. Again, I don't know exactly what that is or how to calculate it or what or how to track it, but when I see it and I can notice it, I'll shout it out. So we appreciate that, Mr. Rich. All right. I wanted to potentially open this up to, well, I guess we're getting a couple more people down there. But Hidda, Twilight, Larry, do y'all want to give y'all's takes on this matchup or this gauntlet, per se? I think I can be short and sweet with mine. Okay. I'm not going to disrespect Kobe like the last batch of viewers did. I don't think it takes honesty, impact, damage to get through those fodder, you know, straw dolls that Hawkins has. I think he can clear Hawkins pretty easily. I mean, understudy of Garp, I don't think his stamina is trash for nothing like that. I'm not drinking that Kool-Aid. I also think he gets past Apu, mostly because Apu's a straight gimmick. And we saw Kobe in the cell doing one-arm push-ups with shackles on. I think he's resourceful enough. And surgical enough to get past covering his ears. Um, I think Drake is self-explanatory. I don't, I don't think I've seen Drake let off an attack like honesty, impact. I think he can just out-muscle him. I think he stops at Killer though. Okay. Killer has a little too much speed. A little too experienced. He, he's fought with Zoro. He has a little too much grit. We've seen some of the attacks he's let off on, um, on Kaido. I think Killer's, uh, I think Killer's a different monster. So I think he stops at Killer. I'd say mid-dim, honestly, I don't think he pushes him that far. Okay. Twilight? Ironically, uh, these similarities between me and Hita need to stop because almost bar for bar. I'm in the same boat for the same reason. I genuinely believe if he manages to get through Hawkins, I feel like he stops. He stops at killer. Okay. Change your tune from last night. I see. Well, I even said it last night too. I said, if I'm being unbiased, I'm being unbiased. If I'm being biased, he clears because I believe I genuinely believe Kobe has conquers, but that's a conversation for another day. Cause even at his low level of conquerors, I feel like his conquerors are stronger than kids. But if I'm being realistically, yeah, I'd say he stops at killer. Cause it's not confirmed. He has conquerors and killers battle IQ. I feel like it just be better. Okay. Larry. Listen, man, Kobe has mastered the Roku Shiki techniques. Otherwise known as the six powers dog. He, I'm pretty sure he mastered it before the two year time skip, but let's just say he did master it after the two year time skip. Okay. He's only gotten stronger ever since then. He's just been building up his punching power against the battle bags. That only that we know of. Kuzan and Garp have done. Listen to me when I say this. When we saw Kobe punch Pizarro of all those arm, he displayed advanced armament hockey. That is the second form. Okay. That is the form that takes emission inward and outward. We know that he can do the outward and he did it. And you saw the destruction, the range of attack, the power it took. It literally was. We can even compare it to Don Chin Zhao and King Elizabeth, who charged up their punch to break Pika's arm. We can say it was stronger than that. All right. I think he's faster than Hawkins. I think he's going to realize as a Marine, right? That Hawkins, as is using some of his subordinates who are also pirates. And that's not going to be an issue for him to knock one of them out. Okay. And take that doll out of commission, easy work. And he's faster than him. I don't really think even he can do much damage to Kobe because Kobe was actually catching Boa Hancock's arrows. His willpower is strong enough not to be affected by Boa Hancock's devil fruit. That's something Momonga couldn't do. And we consider Momonga one of the strongest vice admirals in the game. When it comes to Apu also getting speed blitzed also getting rocked. I know we can say honesty impact is the strongest punch that Kobe has. And we could say that for sure, but I don't doubt that he could use other punches that are half the strength of that punch. And he would knock round one and round two out pretty easily. Okay. Now when it goes to round three and we talk about X Drake, let me tell you something about X Drake. You think Kobe lives in the Gornika? Because I don't. I don't. Maybe. I don't know. I do not think he lives in the Gornika. And Gornika put that boy down. And he said it took longer than he expected. I do not believe Gornika is stronger than Kobe in any way and doesn't have any attack power that matches Kobe's attack power. In any way. So he's passing that boy up to now when it comes to killer. Yeah. I'm not going to like this, but X Drake actually blocked one of Cole. One of killer's attacks. I'm a pre-time skip, man. Listen, man, pre-time skip, bro. Listen, bro. That's what we doing. Listen, bro. If I'm going to scale with the narrative. Oh my God. Killer got to upscale. X Drake. Got to upscale. I would assume that they're not that far in difference of strength. Okay. I seen what Zorro did to killer. Okay. When he was the other guy with the scythe. All right. I saw Zorro not tap into conquerors hockey and destroy him. Okay. It doesn't take conquerors hockey to be killer. All right. It just takes some good hockey in order to do so. And he's put down pretty easily. All right. Don't let the rooftop. Get you messed up. Okay. Now, when we go to kid Sebastian, can you tell me, What did Kidd get defeated by with one shot? Divine Departure. Divine Departure. What kind of attack is Divine Departure, sir? A sword slash? It's a hockey attack. Okay. Granted, Kobe doesn't have that type of hockey attack. But you know what? I truly don't even believe you need that much hockey in order to defeat Kidd as such. I think an honesty impact, a true honesty impact, would not only blow the punk cannon of smithereens, I think it would annihilate Kidd in one shot as well. So I'm going Kobe taking out the entire gauntlet. Propel Fitness Water with Gatorade Electrolytes, Zero Sugar, and Vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolytes. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. Now, I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills. But it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months, or $180 for a 12-month plan required, $15 per month equivalent, taxes and fees extra, initial plan termination, term only, greater than 50 gigabytes, may slow when network is busy. See terms. Okay. Okay. Appreciate it, Clary. Toby, I see you joined us, man. How's it going, sir? What's up, y'all? All right, man. You want to give your take on this one, bro? After that, yeah. Go ahead, bro. I was going to come up here and just hate, but last second, I was like, you know what? I'm going to just tell the truth. Kobe going to put up a fight against a few of these guys. The one thing he would never do, let me not say never. At his current state, he could never beat Kidd, bro. It's not even close. He pulled out that honest impact, he still might not win. But that's the only way he got a chance. That's the only way he got a chance. And if your only chance is, yo, I got to pull him out. The old? Nah, bro. You're losing that fight, bro. And that's assuming Kidd doesn't smoke him with his old first. You know what I'm saying? So, Kobe's feet, they've been pretty disappointing for what we've been expecting him to be in the future. But that's a whole other conversation. But I got him beating, I definitely got him beating Apu. Oh, my God. I got him smoking Apu. I got him beating Hawkins. I got him being Drake as well. But he stops at killer. He stops at killer. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. Y'all want to do the deliberation round, or y'all want to go to the next group of people? I'm down. All right, Larry, you said Kobe clears. Most of the group said he stops at killer, as in he doesn't beat killer. Mm-hmm. Do you want to elaborate on why you think Kobe could win that? I know you just had your little rant there, but most of these guys don't agree. How can you get them to agree? Listen, man, when Luffy ended up learning advanced armament hockey, that was the first time Kaido said to himself, this boy can hurt me. We saw a killer, Dewey, he did, with his scythes, with the sonic sound. That didn't really do anything to Kaido. You understand what I'm saying? So when it comes to the punching power, when it comes to AP, in general, it's much better than killer's. And if we're going to talk about speed, come on, brother. It's not even close. It's not even close for killer to even match up with him in power or speed. And if we're talking about hockey feats, please point one out that killer has. Because I can name a couple with Kobe. You feel me? Are we assuming Kobe's way faster because he has the six powers or? Absolutely. Absolutely. I don't think that automatically makes him faster. Yeah. I don't know if I can get with that, man. I mean, he was going bar for bar, band for band with Zoro when they were both nerfed. No enhancements. No, it wasn't like he was struggling to keep up with Zoro. I don't know if his speed is something to be, to be. Now, we can say he's not like Sanji. We can say that. But I don't think he's a liability in terms of his quickness and his ability to handle fast carry. Can I ask you a question? Go ahead. Was it a 1v1 versus Zoro? I'm trying to remember the whole fight. I'm assuming it wasn't if you're asking that. No, what's up? Yuki Maru was attacking too. In that fight and attacking Zoro. Oh my God, yeah. You're right. You're right. No, it wasn't. What speed feat was that, brother? All right, now. But we're going to let you get away with comparing Anstey Impact to Divine Departure, though? No, I didn't compare it. You loosely compared Anstey Impact to Divine Departure. No, no, no, no. I didn't compare it. See, you missed my point. I said, what did it take out? What did Kid get taken out by? I said, a hockey attack, right? And I said, granted, it is coming from Shanks. But I don't think. You need Conqueror's Hockey in order to beat Kid. Because Big Mom, when she was wailing on him most of the time, she wasn't using her Conqueror's infused attacks. She was just using her Devil Fruit. But Larry, wouldn't that count as proof positive that you do need Conqueror's Hockey to take out Kid? He didn't get taken out by those attacks? No, because also Big Mom wasn't using the advanced form of Armament Hockey against him either. It was just Devil Fruit. So you're saying that Honesty Impact is stronger than those attacks from Big Mom? Yeah, I would say that Honesty Impact, whatever Big Mom used, it was stronger than what she was using at that point. Granted, again, don't get it confused. She can use stronger attacks that we saw. Because I mention it all the time. She can use what she used against Page One, but she didn't use that against Kid and Law. So I'm not saying that Big Mom is stronger than those attacks from Big Mom. I'm not saying that Big Mom's attacks during that fight was her strongest attacks, by no means. I'm just saying, whatever Honesty Impact was, was stronger than what Big Mom was using. I mean, that kind of just goes to my point. If your whole point is, yo, this Ope beats this guy, it's not a very strong argument. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's just like a 10%, 5% chance he even wins because we saw him grovel on the floor. And that's if we give you killer. There's a whole other kid. Yeah, there's a whole other kid after that. There's a whole other kid or wife. Well, he gets full recovery between both, between the rounds. No, no. I get that. I'm talking about straight up, logistically with a sign with Kid and the amount of metal that Kid can clad himself in to help absorb large scale attacks. Like he did against the Big Mom. I mean, it's just, we've seen Kid's durability in, yo, I do like to rag on him, like, he's tested. Yeah, for sure. You know what Kobe was doing for two years? He was punching metal. And he wasn't using hockey. He wasn't allowed to because Garp said to Kuzan, you're not allowed to use hockey in order to punch these battleships. He did that for two years. So he used to punch in metal, dog. Is he used to the metal fucking bag, though? Is he used to the metal fucking bag? The other piece is, yo, Larry, you talk about, like, the Roku Shiki techniques. That's like pre-time skip feats, bro. The Roku Shiki. That's base. Yeah, like, they've been dealing with that, bro. That ain't holding too much weight in this. Like, it matters, of course, but like. You know, absolutely matters. So, again, you guys are forgetting pre-time skip then. Because remember, based on the power level of the individual who had the Roku Shiki techniques, there were times where Bluno couldn't take gear two punches, but Luchi could. So based on your level of strength, your Roku Shiki techniques follow through as well. So just because you know the techniques doesn't mean that you're weak because these were techniques learned in pre-time skip. No, this just matches the person and their strength level. As they move forward. There was a huge difference between each person in the CP9 that used the techniques. What technique is from a sign, though? Well, he can technically use shave if he gets out of the way. I just don't know if he's getting out of the way. Yeah, sorry. You think that you think that overpower? No, I'm saying avoid getting caught in it entirely. All right. So this kind of. - It goes into, there is some, you know vague there's a vague line of how to activate a sign you don't know if it's like if it has to be done through physical contact but if it doesn't I don't know I think Kobe's grits like if you don't if all he has to do is is point his arm at you and say a sign and you know it's fair and reasonable speculation because it is an awakening awakening attack it would make sense that he has that that freedom to just hold his hand out and do it I don't know I just don't logistically see a way for Kobe to get out of that checkmate so let me ask you this what's Kobe's natural innate hockey like which one did he activate first that he's more familiar with observation hockey absolutely so that happened during the paramount war right that's when it started flaring out and it was very strong we've seen it better than others okay he had two years to develop that okay and then when he did develop it the last marine standing which was also with a yonko was against Boa Hancock and he was catching her heart arrows that most people can't even avoid and he did that with ease so when I look at Kobe and you ask me if he's going to land a sign I have to look at kid and I have to ask myself can kid land a sign on a smaller object right like Kobe who also knows shave who's also most likely faster than kid and has the better observation hockey from what we've seen you need good observation hockey in order to fight another good observation hockey user Luffy proved that without occurring I have a counterpoint to that though I have a counterpoint to that though so you're not listening right so if big mom is not using her hockey feats against kid she's going to get landed on no you're arguing that Kobe's a superior and better mental or battle IQ fighter than big mom is that's what you're arguing right now no what I'm saying and I've said this so many times and this is why I keep I hate going back to this big mom fight unfortunately is that big mom wasn't fighting the way she should point blank we know what she has on paper and she only used like 50% of her arsenal brother I wouldn't even say 50% I mean you can really go with that for a couple different characters during that arc like she used it against people that she used it against and then she just never used it again against one kid this is why I can't definitively say like oh big mom she got landed on so this means other people get landed on like you have to look at that fight with a huge grain of salt brother so you know how you harped on Kobe's growth with his hockey career his observation hockey since the Marineford War right is it not fair reasonable speculation to say that Kidd we most likely I mean we've seen the parallels but you know there's a bunch of different like context clues that Oda used but I'm pretty sure we all know Kidd survived that attack and killer from Shanks is it fair reasonable to assume he had a hockey bloom from that similar to Luffy from when he got one shot by Pato and that he will be he will be way more way more equipped to handle advanced hockey attacks like an honesty impact brother you're not we're not jumping into Kidd surviving Shanks what how do we beat you I was like jumping I was like jumping you gotta depend on in order to debate this is terrible how was that jumping brother come on he fell into the water he's done there was nobody cause like you genuinely think Kidd is dead you think he's actually dead yeah I think he's I think he's out of the story absolutely I nah I don't but hey nah his ship's gone he is sinking with his entire crew like I think Oda even if he's still alive even if he's still alive even if he's still alive him being alive and him being still a contender for Pirate King yeah he might not be relevant but he's alive he might not be relevant that's what I know that's what I'm saying we're talking about Oda right now like we really think he's dead he's still alive man Kidd good like he's out of the story even if we wanted to say that Kidd was alive and that's cool to say you want to say he's alive alright fine he's alive he's still alive is Kidd smart enough to like be like alright this is what I'm supposed to do with hockey maybe not nah I think there's I think I think there's a difference between being like book smart and combat smart I think Kidd's combat smart in the same sense as uh Luffy to me if we're arguing a Kidd versus Kobe to me it comes down to whether or not Kobe's Kidd his hockey his power his speed his opportunity his observation hockey will be enough to deal with the hacks and durability that Kidd has cause that's that's what it is right like that's what I feel like it really is Kidd has hacks Kobe has the hockey Kidd like whether his hockey is enough I don't know that it is personally I don't think it is I don't think Honesty Impact is knocking Kidd out that dude was fighting people significantly stronger than Kobe is and if y'all don't want to say that they were landing their apex of their abilities I don't think they needed to land the apex of their abilities to be producing stronger than what Kobe was producing but that's me if I I could be in the majority but will Kobe be able to deal with the hacks that Kidd has in his pocket is the real question this is where the conversation dips for me because it's like alright you want to say that Kidd fought stronger people that's okay I agree with that he definitely did without a doubt right but you also have to bring up the fact that even when Kidd was fighting those stronger people when Luffy landed an advanced armament hockey attack on Kaido and Kaido hit his face on the ground and then Big Mom was like get up Kaido you know what Kidd said what was that hockey just now you can hurt Kaido with physical blows so this is a person right that clearly doesn't know what hockey really is he knows that it's existing but he doesn't know how to fully utilize it and even after he saw Luffy use it he wasn't capable of using it afterwards you know what I'm saying where Law who I agree is stronger than Kidd was able to use it against Doc Q he was able to understand what Luffy was doing and then able to utilize it and even then Law wasn't capable of utilizing it to a high degree so if Kidd is stupider sorry to say it but he's just not going to do that but does he know he needs to absolutely versus Kobe if you're versing somebody who is superior more superior to you than in speed and hockey I'm going to suggest that you need something else than what you're giving out Devil Fruits have shown that they're not going to pick up that much if somebody is far more superior than you in a certain category that neutralizes what you're doing I think what we saw against Pizarro and the honesty impact if Kobe can land that on Kidd that's going to be the strongest attack except for Shanks that Kidd is going to take and I don't think Kidd can take that I disagree I've seen him get beat by Mother Misery brother Mother Misery is stronger than that and he didn't get beat by it this is the difference like I don't know why we have this notion that Kobe's whipping out Gianco level anything like truly Avalo Pizarro was fine like if Avalo Pizarro had actually got knocked out in conjunction with the attack I'd be like your word the way y'all talk about honesty impact makes sense but Avalo Pizarro was fine you get what I'm saying he was good he said ow you get me that wasn't his real body but Larry but the way you the way you're speaking on it is he cleared through Avalo Pizarro and knocked him out that's the way you're speaking on honesty impact right now what I'm saying is that attack itself and the the mass that Kobe like punched and broke apart is extremely powerful because like put it this way we know that Garp is stronger than Pizarro Avalo right but when he went to go punch Pizarro Avalo in the face Pizarro Avalo got like a knot on his head and we know Garp used Avalo Pizarro who's conquerors hockey and he's extremely strong. He broke the face of it entirely so i'm not going to sit here and be like well kobe didn't knock out pizarro valo through his arm it's like even garp didn't do that based on the devil fruit that pizarro valo has the same way uh zoro who was fighting pika would cut off his arm but it wouldn't affect pika but when pika came into his human form he basically demolished him with like easy diff you know what i'm saying so i'm thinking to myself okay i gotta base what honesty impact actually was like what did it actually destroy and he destroyed brother it was like it was like 15 new york blocks it was insane i just don't think kid can take a punch like that he i don't know why he hasn't been hit by something like that's so wild a stronger attack from shanks that's so wild to me bro you gotta go look at chapter 1088 again brother you have to look at what he did and again he has better hockey than kid he has better hockey than law by a far margin in observation which is his natural hockey and 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because hockey suppresses devil fruits like this is the reason why you're allowed to grab a logia and hurt them you know what i'm saying this is why luffy was able to hit caesar clown when he did gear three so if big mom doesn't coat mother misery with her own hockey it's gonna get pushed back but if she does uh infuse it with hockey such as like you know her armament or conquers anything that's like equal or above kobe's then mother misery is gonna win out after that listen all i'm hearing is that kobe could box with a yanko if need be that's what's being stated what did they say about elizabello's punch they were all right man hold on hold on i'm just asking though that was said right it was said it was said it was said by people who've never who people by people who have never interacted with a yanko in their life never seen kind of the same the same arena what i'm saying is like he can't put down a yanko because a yanko has just as strong of hockey that kobe does so if he tried to do honestly impact on them they would just punch back and it would cancel out or he'd get beat back straight up but if you don't have that hockey in order to contend with kobe then you're gonna get overpowered you would have to do something else you know like you would have to escape or move away or like try to get out like fight back but if you can't do any of those things what are you gonna do you're gonna take the attack head on okay hey does anybody want to change their vote i'll still i'll stick with my i'll stick with my original i said yeah i say he you know what oh you're switching to clears you're switching to clears okay all right i might upgrade it to round five man are you going around five okay oh no man just because like the logic though i think a lot of it is is in bad faith especially kid not not being alive right now i think that was a bad faith but i i think that the logic was so sound with with kid not being as tapped into his hockey as like some of his contemporaries i think i think i might call son larry bro is he clearing or you got him stopping what you what you say i got i got him clear i got him clear okay we got three clears three clears okay i gotta i gotta change this uh one more thing i wanted to mention okay who's the only other person with an incline um in strength as much as like luffy in the show if not better than luffy depends on i don't think he's better it depends on it depends on where you actually scale kobe because i could argue that zoro and sanji have both inclined those two dudes have always been strong brother yeah but i feel like they've grown more as well okay it depends on where you have kobe you know i'm saying if you got him where you apparently got him but yeah yeah if you got him over kid then yeah i don't start going narrative bro who was on those final panels oh man now it's nasty now it's nasty work no he's not welcoming you bro he was gonna do this let's do it that way bro nah bro team narrative you can't just switch over here bro hey he wanted a final 12 toby who's looking to stop luffy at the end of it okay because if we gotta rate other people according to their rivals i gotta say kobe eventually gonna be at a point where he's gonna have to rival luffy i'll be not stopping nothing bro this is kobe how does toby even fit i could argue that kobe don't even fit no more bro this is nasty what is what is he about to do he's hitting you should be ashamed you should be ashamed of yourself this is a law rival this is a lot it's a law rival bro hey son hey larry larry did i go lie larry did say in his argument that law was i'm gonna give fair speculation brother i'm gonna give fair speculation if kid survives nasty work all right if kid is able to survive kobe just had a hockey blossom he could probably do a gatling gun of honesty impacts didn't didn't kobe pass out after throwing the one right yeah all i hear about sanji is oh he passed out after queen but kobe can pass now after throwing one punch and now he could box with yonkos he could knock out kid with that punch yeah no keep up my vote back keep up my vote back where it belongs i'll tell you this though yeah if if queen took on honesty impact he's flying to the flower capital he ain't flying under the meanwhile aval pizarro was perfectly fine come on man please put my vote back where it was you don't know how devil fruits work oh bro you started talking about gatling's and all that nah bro we ain't on there i'll say this hockey blossoms in the midst of battle if kobe can do an honesty impact gatling gun that that type of stuff would pop that's clipping k probably i'm giving him that i'm if he's doing that i'm giving him that i gotta see him do it take more than two punches i mean he gotta get there bro he might get before we move on hit it where do you want your vote at i have it off the board back to my original uh losing the killer okay toby you still on killer losing the killer yeah yeah he losing the killer and twilight you said uh clears yep okay this is just kid favoritism brother bros bros can't name one hockey better than kobe's but he winning bro he winning killer had to jump zoro in order to land a hit but somehow he losing the killer bro i guess i'm not gonna accept i never knew you you could never box with anybody of relevance and get put in these conversations i didn't know that i know you could do that nasty bro i didn't know you could do that and i was unaware i didn't know that all right let's uh let's get some super chats in and get another group terrible we got two from jada rude it says if honesty impact and damn punk clash who wins honesty impact without a doubt without a doubt hmm I'm not so sure about that I'm not gonna lie oh I might give it the edge I might give it the edge you're the same person that said that hakaku sovereignty would get blocked by the girl girl go crazy even though devil fruits are clearly weaker against hockey than devil fruits are against you know okay okay no that's honesty versus what damn punk the one um he used on big mom what's the what's the distance like though like is it point blank don't do that bro they they swing it it's close enough that if he wins he it would do real damage to kid far enough that the beam got to travel like I don't I don't know what you want from me with that man it's mid-distance it's it's in the pocket I don't know bro I don't know if I would be disingenuous or not all right we got another 12 months anachma status from creator Keon who I see in the the interest of 10 it says chill on that Larry I don't know what he's telling you to chill out on but probably the whole the whole thing another five from TKTT Kobe versus kid I give it to Kobe he got advanced armament against no hockey kid and then his speed and strength better Kobe extreme kid only got his delphi okay another supporter of Larry another two from Jada root Larry changed my mind bro he supported your argument supportive logic bro okay another two from Jada root Larry changed my mind to be honest Kobe clears okay Larry swaying the people another 10 from King Dominic I think it says Kobe whites all these care wipes all these characters at the same time okay he would dominate like who's on versus the supernovas he he can't be beat Luffy and Zoro and Sanji and Sabo I have Kobe over Blackbeard aka bumbeard okay I appreciate the 10. I do even if the chat the take was trash another two from Josh Pendland hockey can surpass Del fruits if there's hockey if their hockey is higher yeah and then another five from TKTT Larry Wright Zoro passed out after his first time using advanced Conqueror's hockey then used it repeatedly after getting up Kobe can do the same with honesty and impact kid versus Sanji um I have kid over Sanji personally so but apparently I scale kid higher than most people do we did get a bunch of jewels from Mr Rich again and Sam Lopez so thank you for all the jewels you guys are sending who y'all got kid or Sanji hey that's that's actually rough because yeah you don't like either of them if I remember I was gonna say I don't I genuinely don't care for either of them but on I'd honestly have to give it to Sanji and that one man could we be federal or nah be federal with it man yeah I'm gonna have to give it to Sanji bro yeah I'm gonna give it to Sanji too extreme death okay yeah I'd say that'd be a good fight so Larry do you have Kobe over Sanji you have Kobe over Sanji yeah if Sanji gets hit with honesty impact I would have Kobe winning but if he can't land honesty impact on Sanji then Sanji wins you're not landing that bro so he loses you're not landing it it's over okay all right that's all the soups let's get a group in here they've been waiting a while I know loose dog's been here a minute I know David Yokes is here to start and I want to say fallen was the next one up so another group of three hello gentlemen how's it going I hope you guys are having a nice evening or day or whatever time it is for you what up chilling all right so y'all know the gauntlet it's going to be Kobe running the super Nova gauntlet round one Basil Hawkins but he has 10 dolls scratchman out poo in round two X Drake in round three killer in round four and Eustace captain kid for round five Kobe will have full recovery after every single round who you got what different why and how far does Kobe make it we will start with loose talk to me loose yeah one minute all right all right I'll get right into it I believe Kobe's one of the few people in the series who has main character energy and who's someone we've seen the most explosive growth from he went from literally being like two feet tall to six feet tall and from what we first seen him mopping up stuff on Alveda ship all the way to confronting a kind of on Marine Ford is just an insane level of growth and so I think right you know I only got a minute so I'll just give my before I get more into it I just think he gets a kid all right I guess I think he gets a kid you think he stops there do you think he clears I do not think he beats kid yet but we can get more into that it's the deliberation okay all right next we'll go to Fallen yeah uh I don't know Larry kind of changed my mind on that one because I had him originally stopping in kid just for Conqueror's hockey but I don't know Larry makes some sense over there man I got him clearing now okay because the way that code that Kobe is the way with his training with Garp his come up was I mean what was it between saw I mean in his Lobby and the beginning of the story and time frame was what like a couple months maybe and he was able to use his Roka Shiki techniques to fight Luffy and pre-time skip Luffy but I mean Luffy just got done fighting um Luchi and I mean his speed then was crazy and only I've seen him grow from there so with kid not knowing what hockey is and even with his railgun does like does that have Conqueror's hockey on it when he uses his railgun uh no I don't believe so okay yeah yeah yeah no no no that's the only thing I'd give him over Kobe I mean killer killer is I mean it's going to be a hard fight but I got him winning like six out of ten if he can just use his hockey I don't know man but damn Larry you got me man I was coming in here just stubborn but you made like you made some sense man all right and then we'll go to David Oakes all right so Basil Hawkins don't have anything for Kobe he could have a hundred straw dolls and Kobe's just gonna go through them one at a time um scratch man I'll poo Kobe's got way faster speed he can Dodge those attacks um who was third third was uh Drake yeah I have Kobe way over Drake from what we've seen with Drake he he's not all that he don't really utilize hockey he just uses his devil fruit form the the zone transformation killer again haven't seen any hockey from he's not doing anything to Kobe and kid I believe Kobe has better hockey utilization like Larry was talking about Kobe utilizes hockey in many different ways and the only thing I've kind of gathered from kid is that he can leak some hockey out leak some Conkers hockey I don't even think I've seen him use armament I haven't seen any oversight from him or observation so I'm saying Kobe clears all right Kobe clearing once again wait did everybody just say he clears I said he stops a kid pops a kid okay so it's all right okay all right um well I'll open up the deliberation for you guys but you all kind of seem to be in the same boat or at least the same area so y'all have five minutes to talk amongst it I got a question for Ruth what's up yeah what what does um kid have to take out uh Kobe I really just think it's the awakened devil fruit I mean that's like kind of the borderline for me I think the combination of damn Punk and a sign both being like factors is just going to be tough I think honestly maybe it's a hot take you can put like almost any awakened devil fruit user against Kobe and I think he loses I think it's just awakened devil fruits are just you know they're tricky that's like the whole thing is they're gimmicky they're tricky and I don't know if especially like with awake and stuff it gets that much more insane okay I just don't think Kobe overcomes that I got a question for it okay so say Kobe gets a sign what's stopping him from just shaving around to um so nothing can stick to him or going close to kid to where kid gets end up getting hit with his own attack I mean I think that like he would be like running around but it's still he still has like now a bunch of stuff like kind of flying at him and so it's just hard for me to see him overcome that especially because it's like what about Iron Body I I mean I don't I think it's just like I we've seen him get pinned we've seen people can get pinned down it's just it's for me to imagine like at the end of the day like in my kid has two win conditions kobe has one like kobe needs to hit honesty impact either once or multiple times while kid can like just has more versatility in what he can do i think and i think it's just tough how how okay let's suppose kid is charging up his uh damn punk attack how long do you think it takes kobe to speed blitz and do what shanks did but with an honesty impact this question always it's sorry nikki sorry you can keep going it's it's so once kobe who has observation hockey notices that he is charging an attack if he has the battle iq i think he does he is going to speed blitz and hit before that attack is able to go off yeah i mean shanks had even though it's shanks he had time to travel what three or four of his ships and meet him i mean there's gonna take a split second and shave is just like shave alone just well shanks was able to move because of future site we don't know how much kobe's future site is so we don't know exactly the time frame and i'll even give you guys that like hey get rid of damn punk because for me it's like it's really hard in power scaling i guess because like the concept of speed blitzing is tough because in like in one piece people just land their hits and so it's tough for me to just like not give someone their thing because it's like someone's just like inherently faster like but i do understand that it's like yeah it is hard it's like it's a rail gun like a rail gun is in commonplace like a thing that needs like charging and so it's like kids is a bit different of a conversation but it's like at the end of the day we don't know how hard it is to really dodge this laser because it's like in the manga it's like a panel or two but it's like so we know shanks is able to react because he's got insane future sight so it's like i don't really know how fast it takes to shoot the laser and so i kind of rambled a bit there but that's sort of my opinion was the 10 seconds the load up time or was it the amount of time he said was going to take to wipe the the chips i can't remember i remember 10 seconds though i thought i thought it was till it reaches the ship that shanks was on like that's how long it would take from him to starting it up till he actually lands a hit but going off what larry said honesty impact that's one attack we saw from him like you go you don't go from zero to a hundred like you make your way there even if he puts attack at 50 or 60 percent of what honesty impact is i mean he can probably throw those out without any problem and i just don't see kid being able to do that i don't think he can do that i don't think he can do that i don't see kid being able to just constantly get up or block or just fight back while he's getting beaten to the ground so that i think that's a great point i think part of it okay something i try not to do and i try not to do my best i try not to subconsciously like scale with the anime because like in the manga we see kid take like a punch and two from big mom but we don't really it's hard to urge her to like interpret like how much he's getting like assaulted but like in the anime we see him get like pummeled like consistently for like seconds to like almost like two minutes and so it's like those are two different kids in my mind and so it's like i try to find like a middle ground and i think the middle ground is somewhere in kobe strength level where he's boxing out and putting out those level of punches and so i do think kids got endurance but i i there is an argument to how much endurance for sure can i ask you a question what's up all right so those hits that kid took from big mom they didn't have infused hockey in them how would you range those against an honesty impact like what would you actually rate her one of her attacks against an honesty impact is it over under i would definitely say like a normal punch is under but i do think it's not like i mean it's at the end of the day it's a punch from big mom i think big mom's one of the more underrated characters in the series that like we've literally never seen her like take damage like from anyone to act like for real for real take damage we've seen like other like situations and so it's like i'm not gonna say it's like a one-to-one punch but like it's somewhere in like half to 75 i don't know 75 is a crazy number maybe like we do we do know that big mom wasn't going all out like she wasn't using her whole kid so those are like partial attacks from her look here's kind of my the main thing that i can't give it to kid is i kind of mentioned it at the beginning is that kobe is someone with just main character energy like he's just someone who's like i feel like is going to be relevant call it bias and he's just i think like we've seen him train under garp and honestly here's kind of my hot take if he just didn't have that if he just didn't call it honesty impact and just called it divine departure or not divided apart i just called it galaxy impact the whole conversation around kobe changes because honesty impact is just a dumb name but i think that's kind of where i'm at the dumb name and it's just it just is it's just the other one it's like i don't know i think kobe he's an honest character it's a stupid name and i think people downscale him because of the name okay okay we call that if he comes out i think it's the history of kobe i think it's i don't know i i my like i think the story of him changes if that punch is called galaxy impact i think the conversation around him changes now it's like people talk how kobe is to roger it's like people kind of talk how kobe is to garb but i think that conversation becomes like much more relevant where it's like kobe is depicted as a second coming of garb and so it's like it's hard for me to imagine someone like that and like i at this point i could you could say i'm scaling with the narrative but it's just hard for me to imagine someone like that losing and so that or beating so i'm getting my words mixed up i was getting confused because that's i was yeah so it's like i but at the end of the day i do think it's like i was gonna sorry i meant to say at the end of the day this is someone who just you know like he needed this big charge he needed to like it's like at the end of the day we talk about what we say about damp punk is the same about honesty impact where it's like it presumably needs like a big charge time as well and like we talk about how it's like you know you also mentioned how we can you know do half strength and whatnot but i think kobe needs a lot of strength and i think kobe needs a lot of growth i just don't think he's there yet like i just don't think he's there yet and so i know i glazed him for a bit but i was i guess more expecting hostility and so like that kind of came out but i don't know i just see i just see as kid as the best mid-level character like the ddt they had with him he's the best one that they got but at the same time like where's his hockey at right now if your hockey isn't where it's at you're not gonna end up lasting and kobe's shown great opportunity observation hockey to the point of damn near voice of all things uh or no not voice of all things but advanced um observation and his hockey it's hard to to put all these hockey seats that you see for kobe and what he's doing against somebody that didn't even know what hockey was in the greatest fight or the greatest moment of his life on the rooftop where you got two you don't even know what hockey is well you knew what hockey was you didn't know what hockey loofy was using specifically yeah he didn't know the advanced forms yeah i'll say let me know i'll say it's at least for one i didn't make i don't think i made it clear i think it's at least high to extreme diff but and i kind of i mentioned it earlier i think it's just the difference of an awakened devil fruit i think devil fruits are strong as heck in one piece and an awakened ones you know we only we only know like a handful of them and i think that just makes it really tricky and i think you know i've seen i just think it works so i just can't do you do you not think that um advanced hockey can negate devil fruits i mean yeah we've seen it happen i mean the big law busting out of that form is like the bit was a big show that like we can we've seen hockey negate it but i guess i just haven't i just can't that kobe can like do it i guess i there's an argument that he definitely can but i don't know i think the fight is going to be really tough and i think it's going to come down to an assign and assign just i don't know it's just hard for me to imagine like i don't know i've seen metal be like an op power in every series and so it's just so hard for me to imagine kobe at this point okay like if we swap kobe like we made the argument before that like you swap kobe with it's like i'll even say it's like i don't even think the situation like changes that much like i think there is an argument that he could also like help out law to take big mom like i really think it's really close but it's just the difference of an awakened devil fruit and i just can't get over that little bump you remember the fight between garp and uh alkeji when or kuzan yeah kuzan uh when he's when he's launching the ice at uh garp and then garp is turning around and hitting it back at him that could be a similar thing that kobe is doing to when you assign kobe okay now all this metal's flying at him but it's just projectiles coming back at you because he's punching it out of his way with with hockey and knocking it back at you yeah i just don't see kid getting over the hockey of of kobe i mean but i think so i guess i think i think kids on pace to do the things y'all are saying i just don't think it's that timing like right now like before the time skip there's the i think i think it might i hope i don't think it's anime only but it's the kobe and helmeppo confront zorro and luffy and they no diff them like they pin them to the ground and it's easy and so it's like two years later now he's like now he's like rooftop rooftop level like kid level kind of thing it's just hard i can't like i do think he's on he's like like i said we've seen him grow the most and so it's like i think there is like that's why he's in this conversation is that we've just we've seen this explosive growth but i just can't see him getting there i just can't do you think kids do you think kids if he assigns him do you think kids metal is going to be able to hold up against the hockey like say you just like hawk like law did and hockey out of it do you think his metal is going to be able to withstand that i mean i saw him push like big mom around a bit like i'm not saying big mom didn't break out of it but like she got pushed around and like big mom significantly more tough than kobe and so i do think there's an argument that he just throws a friggin metals worth of island at him or whatever or however much metals around he just keeps throwing that at him it's like it's gonna hinder him and it's gonna tire him out while kid just stands there presumably just doing it how he's just gonna shave his way through the little pieces and use them as step stools like seb always says about blackbeard and he's freaking using black hole that's literally what are you saying like are you saying he just doesn't get hit then like kid no no he gets hit he he will get hit but his hockey like that like larry said that is gonna be the deciding factor of this fight kid does not have the hockey enough the armament the observation you know he has conquerors but he's just leaking it out he can't do like even zoro when he was fighting against killer he was leaking it out i mean um king he was leaking out in the beginning but he actually was uh had the wherewithal enough to be like all right well let me that like it's a feeling at first but let me tap into that feeling kid is stupid he's all straight devil fruit reliant and you said about how uh these people in these other animes having the same powers and how they are kid is the uses his power the most simplest way he can he's not using it like the people in the other animes that have these great metal abilities he is he is his mindset is exactly what his name is a kid throwing metal around that's it i don't know how he even got to wano or even survived the new world without any semblance of hockey like i don't understand and if he didn't have killer by his side he would have got uh uh done in you probably wouldn't even have saw him on on saba od i get look i get god i do gotta get to the next group because we're over the five okay but last last i guess i mean look i think all the points are fair i guess my last little this is hard for me because i love both these characters i guess the biggest thing for me is that it took kobe's whole guts to take out like blackbeard's fourth commander and like at the end of the day like it was like a giant island and like we saw honesty impact but it's just like it took kobe a lot to take out like not someone who's like very like not even like that close to blackbeard and so it's like while kobe is going to show explosive growth and i think he wipes out everyone else i think the trickiness of an awakened devil fruit is still just too much of a hurdle for him and so yeah that's my final remarks that's all right man agree to disagree and agree to disagree and i had no hate to y'all because i like i like the take i don't hate the take hey man i was i was exactly like you and having him not be kid until larry started talking and then larry started making more sense than he usually does so i'm just trying to i'm just i i actually listened to him this time i loved larry k for kobe i was fully expected him to say like he loses to like drake or something it's kid on the other side man he ain't coping for kid he's gonna come for whoever is the other side i think for one anyone who says kobe loses before killer i think it's crazy we've been beating dinosaurs since little garden get anyone under round three out of my face bro yeah that straight game got no hockey no nothing all he's got going for him is that durability chapter also zoro versus killer killer gets introduced three three pages later he gets one shot in a 2v1 because zoro's getting stabbed from behind by the little sword man and he's still he takes his thing and uses it for three sword style to one shot him so it's like at the end of the day killer yeah the fox guy if i remember correctly i said last remarks sorry sorry sorry you're right previous clearly we needed some of our people in the previous arguments to spread the love but y'all y'all have a good night all right all right sure peace y'all it was fun yeah larry drop slime drop slime does he mean like like stop watching he's asking for my reaction on the next episode oh i'm about to say dang because i've been just editing i'm editing now i don't know how you multitask like that bro i don't know man maybe best buy did something wrong to my brain all right we need to get a couple more super chats um i'll read that well i got one more we got five from tkt tech it says could kobe not get and could kobe not get a hockey bloom in the fight against kid he did on pirate island and we seen kid in a fight and in a big fight and he got no hockey boom so far and reese i don't know what that means exactly but basically asking whether kobe could get a hockey boom versus kid not getting a hockey bloom i don't know yeah i didn't fully understand that one tk if you want to clarify like if kid could get a hockey boom from a certain situation so can kobe i think that might be in lines what i guess hitter was saying about the hockey bloom that he would get from losing the shanks i don't know if a hockey bloom is coming from that personally um me either you have to actually like fight back yeah he just kind of got caught like that's not i don't know if you hockey blooming from that the hockey boom would come from him digging deep to like try to revive his pirating career versus like the actual you know what i mean like it's not from the the attack that he took it's not from the moment it's from him mentally trying to get stronger after it you know or deal dealing with the loss of his crew and you know coming back if i may add one thing to that is that i think it's really important that one thing said yeah so i've been going from chapter 1007 i think or 1003 and big mom has only punched kid once on only uh on the rooftop i remember she punched him on the rooftop so that he could grab her arm to throw her off the rooftop that's the only time she's like actually where are yeah there was no coding on there i don't think yeah there was nothing on it and then literally like the next chapter she does uh advanced armament hockey infused with her conquers on page one yeah i mean she's actually doing two things at the same time she she did she didn't hit him with that i'll see you know i'm saying that that didn't happen you know i'm saying um but we have another thing to bring in uh one two three four five i believe or do we have six i think we have six now so we might be able to get two more groups all right let's get creator keon here let's get eagles in here let's get my boy in here keon you good your something was coming from your noise there oh oh sorry i had to add the stream pulled up oh no you good all right hello gentlemen welcome as you guys know we're doing a supernova gauntlet today starring kobe as the runner in round one he'll be facing basil hawkins who has 10 dolls round two he'll be facing scratchman apu round three x drake round four killer and round five eustace captain kid who you got what diff and why and how far does kobe get let us know where he stops or if he clears the supernova gauntlet you'll each have one minute to let us know how far you think kobe goes and we'll give you guys a five minute deliberation round to get to kind of talk amongst yourselves to determine where the group consensus is so we'll start with keon talk to me man where's kobe stopping or does he not all right i feel i feel like hawkins is kind of a bum using using straw dolls as insurance so he's clearing round one apu i don't think he got enough durability to survive from hits from kobe but we clearing that round three is kind of tricky for me because Edrick has and shown that much other than him being in an ancient zone. I feel like it's kind of a difficult fight. I might be giving Kobe that. I think round four with Killer, I'm going to honestly say he stops right there. Because I feel like Killer to me, I think he and Kobe got around the same speed level. But dude, I think Killer's weaponry, I feel like he can edge out an extreme diff win against Kobe. I said round four is where he's stopping. Okay. Thank you, Keon. Appreciate the take. We'll go to my boy. Hello? Yeah, we can hear you. What's up, man? Hey, what's up? I have Kobe stopping at Kid. Okay. Yeah. Do I need to give a why as well? You got one minute. Or why? No, I think because compared to everyone else apart from Kid, his observation in other hockey is a bit superior. And honestly, Impact will take all of them out in, well, it should take all of them out in one shot. So yeah, Kobe's stopping at Kid. Okay. Sure and sweet. Appreciate the take, my boy. And Eagles. You there? You hear me? Yeah, man. What's going on? What's going on? Yo, hold on. Before you give your take, are you a Sixers fan too or not? Of course. Yeah, how you feel about that, bro? That came in while we was midstream. That was kind of wild. Enjoy your summer, Sam. Enjoy your summer. It's up. It's up. It's up. Come fall. It's up. Okay. All right. I still got no faith in y'all, but. Y'all should be a little better. Listen, Mitchell Robinson leaving is a big problem for y'all. All I gotta say. Yeah, I'm not happy about that one, but it is what it is. All right. So, I got Kobe clearing. Yeah. I'm gonna use narrative to scale this. So, do you truly believe that Gurra blocks a Koku Sanford T? Yeah, I think he could. So, how come if Blackbeard can block a dual Yonko attack, how come he couldn't have wiped the entire Amazon Valley Island off the face of the map? Because Kaido and Big Mom can do that. How come he couldn't have beaten Boa and Kobe and do whatever he wanted there? You mean, why didn't he decide to fight back? Why didn't he. His main dilemma was that he had too many people to fight. And his men were cooked. So, my point is is that if that were to be true, Kobe was there. The only reason why Blackbeard got Kobe was because Kobe gave himself up. So, my point is Kobe has got to be stronger than Kidd. Because of Blackbeard's decision-making? I'm trying to get where you're going with it. If he can block two Yonkos attacks, that means he's probably a Yonko. I don't really believe this, but he's probably a Yonko. Level strength or more. No Yonko is going down like that. And this is also lines up with my last DET opinion where Boa clears up to Mihawk. And I think she beats Kidd. So, my agenda is Kidd is sorry. Kidd will forever be sorry. And until he has hockey, until he can not live in a backpack, I'm not giving him no grace. Okay. That was a long-winded way to say that. But I'll say in regards to the Blackbeard thing, there was a lot more going on than Kobe. And I don't think Blackbeard's decisions were made because of Kobe's presence. I think they were made because of Rayleigh's presence and Boa's abilities and the fact that his crewmates were already frozen in stone. Those things. What is Rayleigh going to do? Is he. Hold on. It's not about whether or not he can win. It's about what he would lose in winning. I think that's what's always been missed to me in that circumstance. Assuming Blackbeard fights and wins, he's still down two devil fruits and two crewmates. Is that worth it? Do you think that Big Mom is putting her in that position? She's one half of a co-consumer team. So will she be put in that position? Well, that comes down to her dynamics. I don't know that Big Mom cares as much about her crew as Blackbeard would value. She's cooking Boa. My point is, if Blackbeard can block two attacks by the strongest Yonko we've seen in the anime, how come he can't do what Yonko's would do? And that leads to my point. I still don't get how this is to do with Kobe and Kid. Because Kobe's there. Hold on, you're saying Blackbeard weighed Kobe in this? Like, Kobe was the deciding factor? Like, oh, nah, Kobe, Big Dog Kobe's around, and therefore I gotta switch up? If it was really him, Kobe wouldn't have been a factor. I don't think he was. Blackbeard noticed Kobe after the fact, and was like, what do you think I should do? Because, she can turn me to stone. And she got my people. Should I believe her and her deal? He didn't go, oh, snap, big Kobe here. That was Rayleigh. Like, you're giving him the cachet that Rayleigh was given. I'm just saying that he was a problem for Blackbeard. I'm not saying he was a bigger problem than Rayleigh. I don't think Kobe was a problem for Blackbeard at all. You think Kobe is stronger than a Seraphim? No. Okay, that's where we disagree, then. Okay. I don't think Kobe's stronger than a Seraphim. He can control them. I don't think he's stronger than a Seraphim. Personally. Like, he'd have to know about the Lunarian fire capabilities to get his punches off and hurt them in a significant way when the flames are off. And then, if he does, I'll even give him the idea that he either would know or would figure it out. Fitness Water. With Gatorade Electrolytes, zero sugar, and vitamins. What propels you? Show button here. Football is finally back. And PrizePix is going crazy with the deals to start the season. Giving out promos every day in September. On PrizePix, you can make all the picks you want, all in the same app. And now, PrizePix is available nationwide. So what are you waiting for? Lock in for kickoff, because everyone and everything is on PrizePix. What you want? Download the app today and use code SPOTIFY to get $150 instantly in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. PrizePix. Run your game. Okay. I'm trying to think. Would an RNC Impact knock out a Seraphim? Probably, maybe. I don't know. There's no doubt for me that it would. But it wouldn't if the flame was off. You get what I'm saying? Sure. I think Kobe's smart enough that he would know not to hit him if the flame is off. If the flame is on. Because he knows about the Seraphim. Wait, so you got him clearing? Absolutely. I think I got Kobe over Kidd mid-diff. Okay. So we got one vote for Killer, one clear, and one stops at Kidd. You guys will have a five-minute deliberation to kind of talk it out. 7-15. I'm cutting you off. So go ahead. I've got a quick question for Larry, if that's all good. Sure. You here? Just about Kidd. Who do you think the weakest person is that can be Kidd? It's about to be Kobe. Apparently it's Kobe, man. Larry? He just mute. I don't know. He didn't say anything. I don't know if he can hear us at all. Say it again? Are you talking to me? Yeah, bro. What happened? Tell me. My bad. I was locked in on editing. He said, who do you think the weakest person is that could beat Kidd? The weakest person that could beat Kidd? Yeah. I told you it was going to be Kobe. I told you. I told you, man. I told you. I was just out of curiosity. That's so good. Yeah, I'm not going to deliberate. I got five minutes, man. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I was just waiting for jump in. All right. Now, I don't like Kidd that much, but Eagle, you got to chill. Yo, let me ask you a question. What? What fight has Kid won when he's not in a backpack? Wait, can y'all say it again, sir? He said, what fight has Kid won when he's not in a backpack? Okay. That's a point against. Answer the question. Can I ask a second question? Sure. What fight has Kobe won, period? Pizarro. He didn't win the fight. Pizarro? Yeah, I thought Pizarro was very much good. Also, didn't they fight that One Rocks pirate member on an island? He won that? We didn't see that. What? But we know he won. Bong-Chi. We saw Kobe defeat him. It is a factual thing that we know. He was a part of a win. Yo. Yo, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Eagles. Eagles. You can't simultaneously say, what fight has Kid won without being assisted or in a backpack for long or whatever, and then be like, Kobe got a win versus Bong-Chi when two other people were there, and we didn't see it. That's completely different. Yo, all right, bro. Yeah, you got it, man. A backpack means other dudes are doing the majority of the work. We all know that. We have no idea what went down with Bong-Chi, bro. Let's be for real, though. Well, if that's the case, then Laura and Blackpool. Blackbeard would have done most of the work, and Kobe probably would have piggybacked off them, right? I disagree. Nothing that we've seen from Kobe means that. Okay. Who's the weakest person of those three people to you? Kobe. Okay. So you think the weakest person did the most heavy lifting in this situation? Not what I said. That's what you're implying. I'm implying that he wasn't in the backpack. That's my entire point. You're just saying words at this point, man. I'm not. What are you talking about? Literally in the backpack for Big Mom's fight. Number one. Number two. Every fight he goes dolo, he loses. Against Kaido the first time, he lost. Shanks, he lost. Like, what are we talking about? Has Kobe ever competed at anywhere near this level? Like, what are we saying? Yeah, but like the Yonkos anyway, so of course he would kind of lose. Why are we giving Kid hype for losing to a Yonko? You're giving Kobe hype for a sister. A sister versus a guy who ran an island. He got one shot at my Yonko. That's a hype thing for him. Like, what are we doing, man? Would Kobe have got one shot at you? Kobe would have got one shot at you. I'm so confused. I'm so confused. It's not a hype thing, but it's about the Yonkos, you know? I'm so confused, bro. All I'm saying is that Kid, by himself, is sorry. Okay. And I think that Kobe has more things to his name that leads me to believe that in a sorry versus sorry battle, Kobe is less sorry. Because I don't even like Kobe for real. Okay. I just think he's less sorry than Kid. And I really feel like if you hadn't put Kid on his list, it would have been a better discussion. So do you think that Kobe gets one-shotted by those two Yonkos as well, like Kid did, or no? Which Yonkos? Kaido and. Does it matter? I'm asking you, because he said, it's those two Yonkos. I just wanted to know. Kaido? Chase. Chase and Kaido get one-shotted. Listen, if he was getting pegged by Kaido, too, I'm not saying that losing to Kaido and Big Mom is, like, you know, or Kaido and Shanks is, like, unfeasible for Kobe, because he's going to lose 100%. I'm just saying, personally, Kobe's not putting up in that position ever. Eagles. Do you want to tag me in so I can help you out, bro? Yeah. All right. So what he was trying to say, right? This is what he's really trying to say, but this is a better way of saying it, okay? Any fight that Kid fought in and the other person used hockey, he ended up losing. We saw it on Whole Cake when. Not Whole Cake. But we got the information on Whole Cake that he fought Ben Beckman. And Beckman shot his arm off. Known hockey user in comparison to Shanks. He fights Kaido, who uses hockey in his fights. He lost to that. He fought Shanks as well. Lost to that. You get what I'm getting at? So any time he's been in a fight where hockey was being influenced as the main fighting style, his devil fruit couldn't compete. Where he beats Big Mom. And yes, Big Mom does have better hockey in every category than Kid. There's no doubt about it that she was mainly using just her devil fruit. And even then, they didn't even beat her straight up. She was a long way home. Yo, you were cooking earlier. This right here ain't it, bro. We saying he can't beat Kobe? Kobe? Because he lost to three. Well, he wasn't as strong as three. Yonko, bro, like, that ain't it, bro. That ain't it, bro, Yonko. No. That ain't it. Well, I was talking about Big Mom. But Ben, too. That's four. So four people. He wasn't as strong as four people that would smoke Kobe. You've only seen him fight four people. And that means he loses to Kobe? Well, Kobe has better hockey than him. The point is, is that whenever he has to use hockey, he ends up not being able to beat that person. Because he doesn't have it himself. The context is, these people clear Kobe. Right. But just because I'm talking about some of the better users of hockey, the underline is always going to be, if your hockey is better than kids, no matter where you're at, you're going to beat him. And he's going to lose because he can't compete because he doesn't have it. Your hockey is a million times better than kids. Two. Two. So, Larry, do you think. That has nothing to do with Kobe. Do you think kid would lose to, like, Kaku right now? Like, his hockey is probably better than kids. Do you think he would lose to Kaku? Do I think. Well, Kaku's hockey isn't of the advanced types. So, I don't know which way that would go. I would probably go more towards kid. Just check. To me, I feel like his hockey is better than kids. But, like, he. I got kid. I would say that Kaku, who's more heavily devil fruit reliant, the same way kid is. I know that he does use the Rokoshiki techniques, but I've. I think kid has enough punch behind his railgun in order to punch through Kaku himself. Hmm. All right. Y'all over, y'all five minutes. So, I'm going to drop y'all. I had to go to the bathroom, so I missed basically everything Larry had to say. But, my bad. What? Eagles. I changed my boat. What do you change? What do you change it to? Oh, yeah. Big clears. Clears? All right. Attaboy. Back-to-back-to-back clears, man. All right. Let's get my boy out of here. Eagles and Keon. All right. We did get a couple of super chats in the meantime. We got a few from TKTK. Thank you, TK. It says, I said, I said, Colby getting a hockey bloom, not kid. I said, Colby didn't get a hockey bloom against Big Mom. Kid didn't get a hockey bloom against Big Mom. And I was saying to be fair and reasonable. Okay, I got you now. I got you now. I got you. I meant kid didn't get a hockey bloom, my bad. Yeah, I got it now. My fault, bro. Another 20 months at Yonko status from John D. Water. Did y'all know Kydo didn't let Luffy attack Big Mom on the rooftop? I don't think Luffy tried to attack Big Mom, for real. From what I remember, and maybe I'm tripping, every single one of Luffy's attacks were focused on Kydo. Every single one. He was, like, linearly focused on Kydo. Because Kydo was the one that tried to snipe his friends. Kydo was the one that took down Kinemon. Like, the beef was with Kydo. The Big Mom beef had been stewing for a bit, but it wasn't sizzling the way it was with Kydo, in my opinion. So, if I remember correctly, and Larry, you were just seemingly, reading all that just now, right? I feel like all of Luffy's attacks were at Kydo, right? I don't know that he ever went at Big Mom on the rooftop. Not really. It was kid and law. Yeah. Like, to me, I feel like most of them were going after Kydo, and Big Mom would attack them, too. They'd have to, like, defend themselves, or dodge, or, like, counter. But, and then they came up with a game plan to get Big Mom out of there, and Luffy wasn't a part of that, either. You know what I mean? So, like, to me, he just was singularly focused on Kydo, which, that's Luffy, right? He's, that's just how he is. But it's possible that Kydo didn't let Luffy or the others attack Big Mom, in general. Like, it's possible that he was trying to make sure that didn't happen. I didn't see that, though, to be honest. All right. We got another two from Keon. It says, this gauntlet is surprisingly peaceful discussion. Yeah, I feel like we've had a nice little go of it, but nobody's really crashing. Not too much, I don't think. I probably crashed out the most. Another. five from hawks bizzle hawk bizzle something hawk bizzle my nizzle is that what it is i don't know another five says love all my nakama in the chat even if we have different takes we all agree that one piece is great with the hawk eagle emoji yeah man i'm pretty sure that's eagles maybe i don't know um but yeah for sure one piece is the greatest story ever told man i'll say that until i die or until oda falls off you know i'm saying one of the two but let's get another group in here this might be the last group i think we only got four more so all right let's get xerxi it's not mar polarized and sanji in here all right y'all as y'all know we are running the supernova gauntlet featuring kobe as the runner round one is basil hawkins with 10 dolls you round two is scratchman apu round three x drake round four killer and round five eustace captain kid kobe will have full recovery after each round and you guys will each have one minute to discuss how far you think kobe gets or if he clears you will then have five minutes to deliberate amongst yourselves to come up with a consensus answer so we'll start with uh it's not mar omar sorry hello how's it going man i'm good how are you chilling chilling chilling what's up who you got how far do you think kobe gets in the supernova gauntlet here so i think kobe clears okay and uh larry stated most of my arguments already i just wanted to add on to it a little bit so the east blue saga was two weeks the alabaster saga was two weeks skypea and water seven was two weeks which means from the time we meet kobe to when we see him in chapter 432 which is when he manages to land a hit on luffy that's that's six weeks that's massive growth right he goes from being the weakest character to being you know at that level um i also wanted to add to like kobe's speed feats during the reverie he's able to chase down and divert a missile an underwater missile hey he's also underwater while doing this um i would say the craziest observation feat we've seen in the show was from pre-time skip kobe i recognize that he wasn't consciously doing it but it does speak a lot towards his capabilities his possibility the greatest observation hockey feet in the show like yeah i would say so because it was unconscious the greatest observation hockey feet in the series man that's what we giving them i would say it's like it's like up there with the mermaid lady that i could see years into the future your minutes up man your minute is up thank you for the take omar polarize it's on you yeah yeah he stops the kid man i i can't with the downplay man i can't do it anymore i'm gonna it's gonna make me old i'm gonna go gray dude i just like i i understand i understand why people have the opinions they do on kid but it's like if i see him land if if big mom lands on him i'm gonna land a punch on him i know it's not honesty impact but every punch that kobe's gonna be throwing isn't gonna be honesty impact so if if he can accept a big mom shot and he can land a sign and big mom is getting tossed around big mom is getting attached to objects and like needs to break away from the objects to dodge his attacks and again i understand kid isn't one-shotting attacks did damage to big mom bro i know it's in conjunction with law and kobe would also in conjunction with law do damage to big mom as well i understand that completely it's just it's certain things i i'm seeing him with these feats and nobody just seems to like it's just yeah but on paper he's weak so it's like all right well then he's weak but it's like i i don't know man you throw kobe in with big mom and law i know it doesn't go down the same i know it's probably gonna be different but like like seb said he threw it once and passed out man like if you do that against big mom you're cooked him and law are cooked and that's and we're giving him that he could do multiple now like we're even giving him that faith so that's my take he stops that kid awakenings are busted i understand hockey over everything i love kaido too but come on man like these devil fruits are tricky as hell and if you don't know what's going on you're gonna get caught off guard all right appreciate the take polarized next sanji yo yo talk to me man yo all righty uh i had a little bit of a pre-discussion about this earlier in a different call chat um i will say i do think it is a little funny that x-strike is on this list considering that both him and kobe are a part of sword i thought about putting a different supernova on there but i thought about it being a little tricky considering that it's a little tricky considering that maybe drake would have given some information about specifically these supernova who are all included at um at wano um you know him being the informant for sword that might actually have given kobe an upper hand at least amongst the lower end of this gauntlet um the one thing that does trip me up with kobe a little bit is that i do not um i don't see him being extremely consistent with his high-end gauntlet i don't see him being extremely consistent with his hockey feats i do agree that he is strong and has a lot of potential um i think that's a main push for his character especially just through the whole story he's been a potential kind of straw figure for um you know just growth in general somebody who can show up to the level of growth of even some of our straw hats that we have um personally i don't see him reaching farther um past killer i think killer speed and just attack style alone is really really tricky and with kobe not being so consistent with his hockey i don't know that he would be able to keep up with killer um i'm willing to be wrong on that i'm 100 fine with that but it's just the inconsistencies that keep me um at killer still being a challenge for him so you said you got him i have him stopping at killer yeah okay all right appreciate the take next xerxi hello how's it going man i'm done you're coming in choppy xerxi i can't really hear you can you hear me now yes all right yeah so kobe stopped at killer it's just that simple y'all keep being facetious with this things and stuff like killer and kid has never struggled below a yonko commander this whole series and y'all keep saying kid has nothing but i think it's funny how larry can remember um about queen saying that even the masters of armament hockey can be crushed to death kid has crushing attacks that can hurt masters of arm and hockey users blackbeard has crushing attacks so and they have hacks so it's not just hockey that can hurt people and on top of that none of these people are big mom kids regular slams punk gifts and stuff are destroying these people who are not yonko durability and then killer killer has fought people with kid and this is a pirate show name me other than alkegie and alkeen i mean alkegie and alkegie is a pirate show name me other than alkegie and alkegie is a pirate show where has there been a true 1v1 in the outside world of this show like sebastian i'm just mentioning when she got like sebastian i'm just mentioning when she got like sebastian i'm just mentioning when she got it was the feat of a black bear law and kobe it was the feat of a black bear law and kobe it was the feat of a black bear law and kobe there was there's not a lot of 1v1 battles in there was there's not a lot of 1v1 battles in there was there's not a lot of 1v1 battles in these shows so to try to knock kid these shows so to try to knock kid these shows so to try to knock kid for having um chiller help him or for having um chiller help him or for having um chiller help him or somebody else help him somebody else help him somebody else help him it's not like he's getting a month's it's not like he's getting a month's it's not like he's getting a month's worth of food or drug worth of food or drug worth of food or drug to stop him from feeling damaged to stop him from feeling damaged to stop him from feeling damaged or people was helping him um 10 minutes or people was helping him um 10 minutes or people was helping him um 10 minutes to recover so everybody gets help in to recover so everybody gets help in to recover so everybody gets help in one piece one piece that's just an excuse to say kid and that's just an excuse to say kid and that's just an excuse to say kid and chiller is not there because they don't chiller is not there because they don't chiller is not there because they don't have hockey when they have other stuff have hockey when they have other stuff have hockey when they have other stuff that can hurt yonkos so why wouldn't it that can hurt yonkos so why wouldn't it that can hurt yonkos so why wouldn't it hurt hurt hurt other people who aren't yonkos who don't other people who aren't yonkos who don't other people who aren't yonkos who don't have ancient have ancient have ancient zoan devil fruits that's just not making zoan devil fruits that's just not making zoan devil fruits that's just not making sense sense sense rate so yeah i have five minutes at 7 35 rate so yeah i have five minutes at 7 35 rate so yeah i have five minutes at 7 35 i'll time it i'll call it so open it up i'll time it i'll call it so open it up i mean honestly i i just want to start it like i feel like as a community dude we're underrating devil fruits and i i understand that it's hockey over everything i know that's where the story's leading this and that but i've even heard larry argue and like the luffy teaming up with blackbeard videos saying something along the lines of like well eventually maybe even blackbeard needs to help against emu because his devil fruit is ridiculously busted and they might need hit like they might need to team up just to beat him because they won't be strong enough to do so themselves so it's like i feel like yes hockey matters and yes kobe did show an extreme hockey feat but like this other guy was saying it ain't consistent it was a one-time thing that just it like garp entrusted him in this moment and he capitalized on it and he bloomed and i'll admit that but we don't know where that puts him we don't know if he could whip out gatlings or or three of these even because he's like passed out from one so i i just don't know i i like i i know where kid is he can fight a yonko and i know it's with help but i that's not where i've seen kobe it's open y'all can talk talking amongst yourselves so i agree with you because nobody in the show there is no hack hockey over hacks joy boy has hacks in hockey emu has hacks in hockey it's hacks and hockey over hacks and hockey luffy did not do nothing with kaido even with just gear for hockey it wasn't until he unlocked his awakening mixing his hacks with his hockey the kid doesn't even really have hacks like that i mean like he has the assigned thing nah yeah most of that stuff would be done one at a past a series in this story where characters are getting hit by inanimate objects. They're getting hurt by inanimate objects. Like, once we've unlocked Conker's. What do you mean inanimate objects? I mean, I kind of see your point. Like, whoever says his hax is bad or his hax doesn't work, it worked against the Yonko. No, it didn't. He didn't do the FM Punk or the Bull attacks for no who's not Yonko's. His regular punches and stuff is going to do fine. He does not need that Bull for a small Marco or a small category. Big Mom is huge. He does not need a damn Punk for those people. His regular punches, his crushing attacks, if they can hurt a Yonko, they will hurt those people. They don't have Zoans. If Kid doesn't have the same armament haki as Kobe, I'm not confident that his normal attacks would be able to hurt Kobe. I understand that, but also his attacks work. His attacks worked against the Yonko. This is what I'm not understanding. We keep saying, well, in theory, this wouldn't work. In practice, this shouldn't work. But we saw it work. Big Mom is Big Mom, bro. We saw it against the Yonko that wasn't using haki. I understand it's with law, but him being able to overpower. Guys, guys, one at a time. Kid being able to, and I understand he has haki deficiencies. We'll call it. I understand this. We can scream it until we're blue. He's still able to do something like take a hit from Big Mom, assign her while being hit, and she can't counter. The only thing that she could do was peel herself off the wall and barely before the attack hit. Can Kobe do that? Is Kobe Big Mom's strength in haki? No, he isn't. Kobe could get hit with the building and be fine. No, he's not. He's not healing himself. Big Mom got hit and she wasn't fine. That's the entire point. I understand it's with law, and I understand it's assisted, but if Big Mom is getting hit, and she's not fine, she's taking damage, Kobe's taking damage. I would be okay with the idea that Kobe. landed a significant amount of damage on Big Mom. He was using his strongest attack, which was like the laser beam, and that was just pushing her. Okay, she was using Conqueror's Haki and Soul Pocus to come back there. When he uses Awakening and Punk Crash, she used Soul Pocus to come back there. When she was about to get hit by that bullet attack the second time, she was looking scared and blocked that. She only was scared of Law's attack one time, that one panel. That one panel with Law broke ribs. And that's spitting because her reactions to Kid aren't like we're talking about. She wasn't just taking this stuff off. She was getting hit by Kid and being like, damn. She got overpowered a couple times, dude. I don't know what we need to see. If you're overpowering Big Mom-level strength, and let's just say this. If you want to chalk it up to circumstance, fine. That's a Yonko, dude. This is Kobe. I understand he's not at that level. She's hardly a Yonko. Hardly a Yonko. I'm not saying that she's weak, but I'm saying what we saw on Onigashima was barely a Yonko. That is time. I don't know hardly a Yonko, but I don't know hardly a Yonko. Can I explain? Last remarks from each of y'all. Can I explain? What I'm saying is what we saw, what she did, that was barely Yonko-level to me. I'm going to be honest. She had insane durability, and that's just about it. Bro, she fought Kid and Law at the same time. You're telling me that's not a Yonko-level feat? Not really. Guys, last remarks. Xerxe, go ahead. I just think, y'all, remember the Akaza 9 has Haki and Ryu techniques. They do not have the amplitude to hurt a Yonko. So for y'all to say that these people have shown Haki or better Haki feats, no they haven't. They've shown that they relied on their Haki, but they have not shown that their Haki has the amplitude to hurt a Yonko. Right? Because remember the Akaza 9 has Ryu. They have advanced form of Haki. Their Haki is not at the threshold of Yonko. So for y'all to keep saying there's Haki this and Haki that, they have no proof that their Haki can hurt a Yonko or can hurt someone who can deal with Yonko attacks. There's no proof. There's no evidence in the story. I gotta get another group in here, because I got three more. But y'all good? Y'all got it? Yeah, thanks. Alright. Loyal. Alright, y'all. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Last group in here before we wrap, because I don't think we have any more Super Chats, is gonna be King Peasant, Griff Griff, and Ayo Let's Go. Alright. How's it going gentlemen? Y'all probably be the last group, because I do kind of gotta wrap by like eight. So, it's Supernova Gauntlet, as you guys know. Round one, featuring Kobe. Round one is gonna be Basil Hawkins with ten of his dolls. Round two is going to be Apu. Round three, X Drake. Round four, Killer. And round five, Eustace, Captain Kidd. Kobe will have full recovery after each round. So let me know how far you guys think he gets in the gauntlet. Where does he stop, or does he clear? We will start with. Griff Griff. Griff, talk to me man. The perfect lunch combo. That first bite of your favorite sub, followed by ice cold Pepsi. Add a couple of friends, and now that's next level. Suddenly, the laughs get louder, the stories keep flowing, and the food tastes better. Because Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment. Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a Pepsi Zero Sugar today. The wild world of college football continues Labor Day weekend. On Saturday, East Carolina looks to shock Alabama. And Baylor and Auburn battle it out in Atlanta in the Aflac kickoff game. Then, Clemson hits the road, looking to spoil Lane Kiffin's Death Valley debut. Sunday night, it's Louisville versus Ole Miss in Nashville in the inaugural Liberty Mutual Music City kickoff game. College Football Labor Day weekend continues Saturday and Sunday on ABC and the ESPN app. We'll be right back after this. So, yeah, I would say he stops at Kidd at round five. Okay. Thank you, Griff. Peasant. Yo. Talk to me. How far does Kobe get? I think he stops at round one with Basil Hawkins. Oh, wow. And I think that's due to Kobe's nature, whereas I could see Hawkins get 10 regular Marines bodies instead of, like, and I. Okay, so real quick, I don't know if it'll change your answer. We did stipulate that he has 10 dolls from his crew. From his crew? Yeah. I don't know, because he was really sensitive towards the pirates and the war. So I don't think that makes a difference either. Okay. He cares about life too much, whereas you need to give a good amount of damage to Basil Hawkins in order to waste a life. Basically, either kill them. Or on the brink of death. And I think that's something Kobe struggles with, actually, getting to that point. And then apart from that, I think Apu would be also hard for him, just because he's a close-quarter fighter. Whereas, like, Apu likes to play distance and kind of, he seems to be hitting those shots accurately from anywhere. And if he just spams those, that'd be really tricky. X-Strike, that's. He'll give. He'll give to him for free. But even with Killer, he stops. I think that's tough, too, just because he's hand-to-hand and he has blades. But I'm still going to stick with my Basil Hawkins stick. Okay. At round one. All right. Appreciate the take, Peasant. And then, Ayo, talk to me, bro. What's up? I just want to say I'm happy to be here. I saw this a bit late. I would have been here instantly the second I saw Kid. But I had to. I had to hang out with my friends a little bit. So, I'm going to say, I'm going to be nice. And I'm going to say Killer. I could say, what's this guy's name? Drake. But I'm going to say Killer. Killer showed on rooftop. He's no slouch. I would say he's between, like, Yonko, Commander 3 or 2, comfortably. He was able to keep up with Zoro before he started using Enma, which is a feat in itself. And he just outright showed he can damage Kaido. Like, there's no way anyone could say otherwise. He just showed, I can hurt Kaido. I'm one of the few people you can't even dispute it. So, if, what's his name? Kobe gets hit by that? He's done. Apu. Not Apu. What's his name? Drake is an interesting fight. Because Drake did show he could fight with Sanji. Well, this was before all the upgrades. But before Wano truly started, he showed he could box with Sanji. So, I think that would be an interesting fight. I came in about 30 minutes ago. And I'm seeing people say Kobe. He can spam the Honesty Impact. He's got three in the tank. What are we talking about? He used one and passed out. If he uses one, he's lucky. If you pass out in a fight after knocking someone out, is that a draw? Did you win? I'm calling that a Mickey win. Personally. And he's not touching Kit. He's not touching Kit at all. That shouldn't even be a conversation. But you say he stops at a killer? I'm going to say killer. I think Drake would be a good fight. But he can take him out with Honesty Impact because he's got no mobility. And then he's not going to be able to beat killer. I think that's how I did it. Okay. Appreciate the take, A.L. All right. We got a range of votes here. One says he stops at Kit. One says he stops at killer. One says he stops at Hawkins. Are you saying he doesn't even beat Hawkins? Or are you saying he passes Hawkins but can't get past Apu? Passes. He could beat Hawkins. But I don't see him with that whole morality stuff. But I think he still stops. Instead of Apu. How many explosions can Kobe take is my question. Okay. Because I haven't seen durability from him, really. Okay. All right. I will open it up. Y'all have five minutes to deliberate amongst yourselves to see if you can switch or sway people's votes. Five minutes. I think Kobe's morality has changed a little bit. He's been indoctrinated by the world government. And now he's like, I'm going to go stop Luffy from achieving his dream. I would assume that he's gotten. Like. Based on what he's been through, like, he just lost GARP and all this stuff. Like, I think he's, like, toughened up a little bit. So, I'd give him the proper mindset. Yeah. Like, if he had the right mindset to, let's say, muck those ten people, do you think he would be able to beat Hawkins? Yeah, I mean, he could. But I think that mindset is the only thing stopping me. It's. I don't know if. That has left him. He still seems like, you know, the kind of guy that wants to save everybody. Not really bringing them to the death. I mean, what do you do to Pizarro? He didn't really kill him or really badly hurt him. He just punched his big rock hand away. He gripped his arm off, basically. I don't know that he could kill him. GARP couldn't kill him. That's true. Of all of Pizarro, he isn't the same guy. Yeah. And if he's taken from GARP, GARP is. Is the kind of the same way? I mean, he obviously hurts more, but he kind of just gives him that, you know, like a hero to look up to. And I think Kobe is that, in a way. Like, he wants to be the hero that tries to help the most. I think it's important to keep the characters in themselves in these fights. I don't think that's a bad argument in itself. But I do want to talk about why you think. Not you, the other guy who thinks he can be killed. Why do you think that? Because. He can beat kid? I don't know that anybody. Yeah, so my understanding is that he stops a kid. Oh, he stops a kid. Yeah, he stops a kid. So you think he beats killer? I think so. I think Kobe's speed is, like, underrated. Because, like, he's part of the Marines. He's got that shave technique. I think we've seen him use that before. So I think his speed cannot be underrated. I think it can. I think. These are pre-timeskip feats that we're guessing up right now. Like, this was something that Lucci and them was doing. And then Kobe's doing it, and it's looking cool because he's a main character. But, like, catching up to a torpedo, that's a Sanji thing, bro. Sanji could have done that pre-timeskip with no gepo and then nothing. So I don't really think that's a crazy feat. And then his speed, he was keeping up with, like, Hellmepa. Like, his speed is not that crazy. And then aside from honesty impact, what does he have in his bag? He has nothing. Other than. Well, we can assume, like, okay, maybe not an honesty impact level, but he knows how to throw punches with hockey in them. So he can throw a punch. He threw one honesty impact. You can't just put less hockey into it? No, but I'm saying, aside from honesty impact, what's in his bag to take out any of these people? Punches! He's got the quote-unquote GARP level strength from when he was in his younger days. But we've only seen him throw out an honesty impact. Can you do that? Can you do that? Can you do that in his basic attacks? Or is that. You have to. So he doesn't know how to throw a regular punch? I'm not saying he doesn't know how to throw a regular punch. I'm saying the only punch in the series he's thrown is honesty impact. So I'm asking. That's Otis' fault. That's not his fault. I mean, sure. He's had. He fought Luffy three times ago. He fought him again and got one shot. Hold on. Ayo, didn't he, like, block a boa arrow with his fist? Like, didn't he punch a cannonball or something? I remember him doing something like that. Hold on. I mean, when he used the powerful internet, bro. And, like, that's basically, like. It's basically like saying Luffy threw a Bajoran gun, but Luffy can't throw, like, a regular, like, Kong gun or something. Like, I think Kobe. Luffy's done other things, though. But Kobe can do. Ayo, you don't believe that Kobe can't throw regular hockey and. I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying, how strong are they? Because I haven't seen him do Nish. We can assume that they're a fraction of honesty impact. A fraction? In fact, yeah. Some sort of fraction. That might be good. But, again, I think Kobe's Luchi level, aside from honesty impact, which is the one younger level attack he's got, because it's similar to Garp. Other than that, he's really balanced. Like, pre-skip Luchi? Pre-skip Luchi, yeah. Okay. He's using shave in the same fashion as Luchi. He has no. Does he have the same durability as Luchi, though? No, he's a regular guy. But the only difference. Yeah, that's my take on the poo thing, is how many explosions and cuts can he take from a poo? Because I don't see a poo as that much fodder. I mean, I still give him something. He's formidable, I'd say. Kobe's a regular guy in the same way Garp is a regular guy. Nah, Garp ain't. But they're two different regular guys, though. Yeah, they're two different regular guys. Like, Garp is one in the. Yeah, it's one regular guy. Garp is taking on Yonkos. Kobe is taking on the Borg. Vice Admirals, Borg Lords. It's an anime thing where Garp. It's an anime thing where Garp is taking on Yonkos. Garp can get stabbed, but he's good. But then if Kobe got stabbed, he'd probably cry on the floor, you know? But Garp is. Kobe can't even get a cannonball off his leg. We can't. Yeah, that as well. We can't compare Garp to Kobe, aside from the battleship bags. Other than. That's the only thing I'll give Kobe. Other than that? Nah. Like, speed is pre-timeskip Luchi level. He punches. He hasn't thrown a punch other than Honesty Impact, which is gonna knock him out. So, realistically, if I was being. Crew, I would say X-Strike. Okay, then all, everybody who's, like, this is, you guys are scaling on just feats. What narrative is there? No, it's not. No, I said, I said, what narrative is there? He said, what narrative is there? The fact that he has positioned himself, whether he's going to achieve it or not, but he has positioned himself to go try to stop Luffy. Do we think, do we think Oda built him up, like, first character other than Luffy introduced in the story, mind you, do we think that Oda built him up like this just to discard him in the final war? Hold on, guys. Can he get past Frankie or Jinbei? That is y'all's time. Y'all have one, one little last remark from each of y'all. Go ahead. What's the good first? Kobe, Max, Apu, that's my decision. Hawkins, Tricky, because I don't think he can kill 10 people. Subset, Hawkins. Okay. Thank you for including Kid. I saw someone in the chat say, why isn't Law here, Teehee? It's because Law was in the last one, you bum. But thank you for including Kid. I hope he gets his own one. And I'll hopefully be here for the next one, man. Yeah, we had a conversation about doing a Kid one. If he's not clearing Kobe, I don't know, man. It's not looking great for him on the one I set up for him, apparently. People don't like Kid, man. It's just not worth it. It's not looking great. Kobe got stolen valor. For real. Riding off the guard pipe. But I appreciate y'all's takes. Y'all have a good night, all right? All right, good night, man. You too. Bye. All right, guys. Like the stream if you haven't already. This is a lot of fun. We did get another five gifted memberships from Project Iceman. Thank you, Ice. Really appreciate that. Another two from Josh. It says, Big Mom, not a Yonko. It's crazy. Put down the pipe. I think he was saying she didn't have a Yonko-level performance, which I also disagree with. But, you know, this is what it is. And another two from Nico L. Kobe did shave pre-timeskip on Water 7, though. Yeah. Something like that. I remember that. Good times. I was mad shocked when Kobe popped back into the scene and was doing stuff. It was pretty cool. But all right. This was an interesting one. Twilight had to dip. I know he had some weather stuff going on. I hope you're all right, Twilight. But I got to do some quick math to see exactly whether the consensus or the majority rule was Kobe winning. I see 2-2-2-1. Quick math. That's seven. Seven votes for Kobe Clears. One, two, three, four, five. Five votes for him staying at round five. Two plus two plus one plus one. Six votes for him being at round four. And then a couple votes for underneath that. One at Drake, one at Apu. One not even getting past Hawkins, and one stopping at Hawkins. So I think majority rules is somewhere around Drake or Killer. But the most voted on was over was clearing or stopping at Kid or Killer. So interesting. As for my take, y'all. Um. I think I said it before. I have like a. Oh, what's up, Twilight? I have like a mentality of like, how can this person defeat all these people when I build these out? And I thought, I think I mentioned in the chat at the staff chat that Kobe had like a 3% chance at defeating Kid, in my opinion. I will say some of the takes that were given here made me increase that number to like 10%. But I still don't think he would win in reality. If I had to really get a gauge. I like some. Some of the takes I heard around like Kobe's mindset versus Hawkins, how it would affect him, whether or not he had to had it in him to take out multiple pirates. I don't think you have to kill the people to bypass the doll. Maybe I read that wrong or understand that wrong. I think you just have to knock them clean out. But. The having to kill them would probably have a mental toll on Kobe, but I don't think he'd let it prevent him from winning the fight overall. I think that. That could be a character growth moment for him, but I'll give that fight. I'd say mid diff mid to high diff, just because I think Hawkins a little underrated by the community, but that's more because of his Delphi being tricky than anything. Um, as far as fighting capabilities, he, what slightly pushed sorrow in proof of the Wano act one. Like it wasn't anything too crazy. Um, I think to Kobe can deal with all that and he hits hard enough to not need to use an honesty impact. To take out those dolls and then ultimately take Hawkins out himself. So I'll go like mid diff there. Um, I'll poo is tricky as well. Um, it's interesting. He has that sound ability that he used to knock out Luffy. I think if he lands that attack on Kobe, Kobe could be knocked out, but the circumstances behind him landing that on Luffy and him in a one-on-one fight with Kobe, who will likely have his observation hockey on are just different. I think he can use his here, his hands to cover his ears. I think he can use observation hockey to, to scope that in this situation. We're not giving up who the numbers that he has control over. Um, his musical fighting is a little interesting, but I do think Kobe has the, the speed and the power to take a poo out. Drake's another interesting one. Um, it's low key, uh, a break round for him considering, uh, they're basically allies. And I think Drake is his captain. If I understand sword correctly, uh, but in this fight, they're just fighting, uh, him being a dinosaur is interesting. I think Kobe has what it is to, to take out Drake. I didn't see too much from Drake to be super impressed, but I'm assuming he's going to be more durable, right? Then Apu and Hawkins are even with Hawkins 10 lives. Um, I just didn't see a lot from Drake for me to be like, Oh, he would straight up knock Kobe out, but I wouldn't be shocked if Kobe lost there. Originally, I went into this thing that killer would beat Kobe, but I'm gonna be real, man. If he lands an honesty impact, I think. Hey, killer's GGs, bro. You got to land it though. Um, and I think he would, I think he'd find a way to land that fight that, that against killer. I don't know why, but I do. I have a feeling you would, but as I can probably tell, I think killer would killer kid would smoke Kobe personally. I think it's too much hacks. I don't think he hits hard enough. I don't think an honesty impact is enough to knock him out personally. I know Larry will disagree, shaking his head, bro. Again, I need y'all to understand. I see impact. Cool. It was, it was a dope moment. One, Ayo just mentioned, do not pass right out after that. So he can't follow up unless y'all want to give him a hockey bloom or whatever. I'll even give you the grace that he was fighting and freeing people with the chain on them. You know, the ball and chain on them before that. If we're comparing what's prevented you from fighting people before and what you were able to overcome in a fight. Kid has so, so, so, so, so much more. That I can lean on than Kobe does. And that attack that he lands to me, I'd never put it anywhere near a Yonko level attack. To me, it's more similar to King Elizabeth. If it landed on a Yonko, Yonko would, would walk that off without issue personally. So I got kid again, the hacks is there. The strength is there. The durability is there. The versatility is there. And a lot of people talk about, Oh, would kid survive an honesty impact? Would Kobe survive a damn punk? Would Kobe survive these attacks that were hurting Yonkos or at least affecting Yonkos in some way, whether they were affected by law or not? Like Kobe's a pretty regular human being. Like unless he's cocky clotting himself pre-attack, which we technically never seen him do. I, I don't know, man. It's just tough for me, bro. Like Kobe getting smoked, bro. We talked about the load up times. Like he gets hit with a sign. He could get trapped with metal and moved around. If he tries to break out of it, the damn punk can hit him. I don't know. I feel like I scale with the narrative too. I want to give Kobe more than I probably am normally willing to give him, but he got to show me a little bit more before I have him being dudes like kid, man. I, I, I really struggle with that. I feel like he loses low diff. He got one, one attack that could hurt kid significantly and he got to land it basically close range. So I got kid low, low, low diff, low diff. But yeah, shout out to y'all. Next DDT. I want to say it's going to be in like two to three weeks. I am going to start doing the survivor series on Wednesdays as well, because me and Chris are going to be doing it. We're going to lock that in, um, call and stream next week on Tuesday. I do have to fly for work, uh, Wednesday morning. So no stream next week, but the week after that, we back at it with a survivor, uh, stream. I got to come up with a thumbnail idea for that. So Larry, I might hit you up. Um, or maybe void. I don't know. Uh, but yeah, next DDT will likely either feature kid. I don't know. I don't have a lot of confidence in him after what I heard today, or it'll feature low. So those are the two that I'm kind of debating against. I might ask the community which one they'd rather see before I make it live. But, yeah, looking forward to that. Sorry it took so long to get back to the DDTs, everybody. But we'll try to be more consistent going forward. Everyone, have a good night. And I hope you guys enjoy your 4th of July weekend. For those of you that do celebrate, it's supposed to be really hot where I live. But it should be a lot of fun. Cook out. Spend time with your family. Enjoy the day off. If you guys are in America and if you're not in America, who cares?