Knights Templar’s SECRET Plan for a New Atlantis

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Today, Tim takes us from the fall of the Knights Templar to Oak Island, the Freemasons, the Founding Fathers, and the possibility that America itself was built around a secret inheritance from the ancient world. I mean, we're talking Thomas Jefferson, Lewis and Clark, Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, and the vision of America as a new Atlantis, a nation designed not only as a political experiment, but as a protected home for hidden knowledge. According to Tim, somewhere in the United States right now, there may still be two concealed vaults. And what they contain could go far beyond just material wealth. We're talking six ancient Arks of the Covenant, lost religious texts, sacred objects, records capable of changing what we believe about the Templars, the origins of America, and perhaps, even human history itself. Tim even suggests that people guarding this knowledge may already know where these vaults are, and that the question is no longer whether they will be opened, but when. So today we're asking, did the Knights Templar help shape the founding of America? Is their treasure still hidden beneath American soil, potentially even in the Capitol? And are we approaching the moment when the Arks are finally to be revealed? Well, if you are curious about the answer to these questions and many, many more, this is the episode for you. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp. Now, where are the Arks now? Or where's the Holy Grail now? Yeah, so we have, so there are six Arks that the Templar Order currently has. We have them in vaults here in the United States. We have two vaults. We originally had seven vaults at one point in time. We had to, one of which was at Dog Island, which is now known as where the Money Pit is. If you've seen the show, Oak Island. So there's a show called Oak Island where they're, it's been on for forever now, but where they're digging down trying to find this, they know there's this vault there they've been digging down, for several seasons trying to get to it. Every time they try to get to it, it floods with water and fills up, so they haven't been able to get down there. But that particular vault at Dog Island, or what was now known as Oak Island, was, all the contents of that, at least the majority of it, was removed to help fund the American Revolutionary War. And where's, Dog Island? It's in Nova Scotia, up near where the Mi'kmaq hang out. So, that was one of the, and it was called Nova Scotia, it was called, that whole region, by the way, it was called Nova Scotia, which just means New Scotland. It was named after Scotland, obviously, because of the Templar Association with helping Robert the Bruce fight the Scottish War, the Declaration of Independence. But then later, the Templar Order, it was Templars who were involved in the fighting of the American Revolutionary War. In fact, my great-grandfather, seven generations back, was General Joseph Warren, who was the martyr of the American Revolutionary War. And he was the one who had planned the Boston Tea Party, and he initiated Paul Revere. He was an alchemist. In fact, that's why he knew Paul Revere. They used to do alchemy together. Paul Revere was a silversmith. My great-grandfather was a physician, but they did alchemy together. And then they both participated in the Revolutionary War. My great-grandfather, he was the, he was the first grand commander of, he was the grand commander of Templars in the forming United States at the time. And his brother, John Warren, was actually the first grandmaster of Freemasonry in the forming United States. And there was this relationship between the Templar Order and Freemasonry, 'cause Freemasonry had come out of the Templar Order. When the Templar Order was suppressed, one of the places it hid itself for decades was they had already been building the cathedrals of France, of Notre Dame in particular. And-- - Who had been building the-- - The Templars. So if you look at the old Templar rule, the only Templars that were allowed to wear gloves according to the Templar rule, the Templar, the Templars that were allowed to wear gloves were the Templars that were allowed to wear gloves. The Templars that were allowed to wear gloves were the Templars that were allowed to wear gloves. which was the Book of Constitutions or the Book of Guidelines for the Templar order. - Hey, real quick. Most people who watch this channel aren't subscribed. And when you subscribe, you help the channel grow and you stay in the loop with every new drop. Religion Camp, History Camp, and Camp Gagnon. Now let's get back to it. - The only people that were allowed to wear gloves were the priests within the Templar order who handled the sacrament, which was the bread baked with the manna and the wine, which had another alchemical substance in it that was known as the blood of Christ within the Templar order that was made out of the manna through this alchemical process. The priests had to wear gloves to handle this. And then the stonemasons within the Templar order had to wear gloves. They're the only ones allowed to wear gloves. So, but these stonemasons, they were involved in creating not only the the commandery buildings and preceptory buildings of the Templar order, but they were also involved in helping to create these cathedrals. And they did them and they created them so that the, for example, the stained glass in the cathedrals, it was made with metallic oxides that was all being made alchemically. The cathedrals themselves were set up like the ancient Egyptian temples that the Templars were studying in Egypt, where they were human bodies in stone. So when you went into the cathedral, the baptismal font was at the area of the belly button. The choir sang from the area of the lungs. The priests spoke from the area of the heart. And then the sacrament was kept at the area of the third eye or the Nazar. And that the arms of the church is where all the administrative functions took place. So they were, and then as you left the church, you went through the arch, which was the birth canal. And they were named, it was named Notre Dame or Our Lady, which is Mary. So if the church was Mary and you were being born from it, what does that make you? Makes you the born Christ. This is what made you a Christian, symbolically. You were being born as the Christ. This was a Templar idea that was a Gnostic idea that anybody could embody the Christ, which was a universal consciousness. It was not just the last name of Jesus. It was anybody whose crown chakra had opened up and they felt that feeling of the oil being poured over the head and they experienced the oneness. This is what made you a Christ. This is what, and that Jesus was the great exemplar of this. So the Egyptian temples were also, set up to be this way and the templars learned of it in egypt they set up the uh the cathedrals the exact same way and uh not only that but in the templars learned of the area of giza where the pyramids were uh they learned from the the coptic christians who had passed on some of the egyptian knowledge they learned that the original name of giza was rostow which just meant underworld because it was believed that there was this whole secret underworld underneath the giza plateau and uh and rostow didn't mean anything to the templars except for if you they transliterated rostow into latin ross meant rose and tau meant cross so when they built the gothic cathedrals they set them up as crosses when viewed from the air but then they put the rose windows in them which made them rose crosses or rostow thus hearkening back to ancient egypt they also made the the the images of the madonna with child with the jesus on her lap as a baby that image they got that from the images of isis and horus at the temple of isis at philae where they had their headquarters where the templars had their headquarters and so they brought that back and put that in the cathedrals as well so they took all this egyptian knowledge and symbolism they put it in the cathedrals that they were building and then when the templars got suppressed during that time of the middle ages the only people were only allowed to travel outside of their territories if the if the kings gave them permission to the only people that were allowed to travel outside of the their territories without permission from the king was the templars who were escorting pilgrims and the stonemasons that were allowed to go from jurisdiction to jurisdiction to build these cathedrals well the the stonemasons uh if you if you the traditional cathedral builders according to standard history were the companions and the companions were said to be made of two different bodies one was known as the children of solomon and the other was known as the children of the master jock well both of these groups say they still exist to this day and they both of them say that they were originally the building force of the templars and that the children of solomon just got their name from the the poor knights of christ of the temple of solomon the children of the poor knights of christ of the temple of solomon so they reduced it to the children of solomon and the children of the master jacques got their name from jacques de malay the grand master that was burnt to the stake so they were the children of jacques de malay so both of these groups of the companions the cathedral builders by their own accounts they were the original building force of the templars and so when the templars went underground they hid themselves as stonemasons for a time period of time these stonemasons eventually became speculative masons which is where freemasonry came from so freemasonry came out of the templar order when it went underground and this is why there are certain initiation rights that are reserved for master masons originally they were reserved for masters of lodges that involved this same death and raising ceremony that the templars did that they that the ancient egyptians did that they learned of from groups like the druze the sabians i was just reading about the skull and bones society skull and bones has a similar ceremony they they learned of it from freemasons um but the same ceremony the same the mayans perform the same ceremony and after they're raised they're given a certain grip a certain handshake that's preserved amongst the templars it's preserved amongst the freemasons it's preserved amongst the mayans it's preserved amongst the druze it's preserved amongst the hopi indians preserved amongst the mikma and it was believed according to the hopi tradition they say this grip was originally given to everybody right before the last shaking of the earth right before the last cataclysm and it was a way for the priesthood to recognize each other when they came back together again um and it was a way for the priesthood to recognize each other when they came back together again and according to the hopi they say when the conquistadors came over they went to give the grip and the conquistadors just dropped trinkets in their hands and they were like oh no somebody's forgot one of the races of people forgot the grip interesting and they knew there would be problems ahead because uh they didn't the conquistadors didn't know it but the conquistadors didn't know it but the conquistadors didn't know it but the conquistadors were were part of what they were looking for was the treasure of the templars i mean that's the real the gold that we're looking for uh initially and then they've discovered that the natives had gold and took that and started taking that instead yeah now you've said that there's a i guess a former treasury that was on dog island correct yeah so there so there were these vaults there are these these seven vaults there are now only two vaults because the uh treasure was taken out of the other five and used to fund the american revolutionary war in order to create a new templar free templar state and many of those were new atlantis the new revolutionaries many of them were freemasons correct yeah in fact uh um majority of the signers of the declaration of independence were all freemasons and they were all templars they were templars as well correct yeah yeah most of them were so at that point in time you have to understand there was templar traditions that were still existing independently there were freemasonic systems that were existing independently but they recognized each other and they worked together and sometimes there were people that belonged to both that were were were working together and out of this uh it's partially what created what was known as the york right of freemasonry where they had a templar degree within freemasonry and also within the scottish right for example within freemasonry which is higher degrees of freemasonry other there was a degree created known as the knight kadosh degree which just meant holy knight which was templar a templar knight was albert pike a templar as well he was yeah so albert pike was a templar uh he was a temple knight as well so albert pike was a templar uh he had much of where albert pike like eighty percent of morals and dogma comes from the writings of eliphas levi uh who was a french templar um uh who had uh he was also a priest he was working within the church um and he had uh eliphas levi his name his real name was alfonso constance uh he was stationed at saint sulpice in uh france and he uh part of what he was in charge of was shift uh sifting through documents that napoleon had captured when napoleon raided the vatican now napoleon was a freemason he declared himself the head of all masonic lodges in france when he was at the time and he put his brother in charge of many of them as well he did and he also bone apart means of good blood and he always proclaimed that he had originally come from royalty in fact he was the grandson of the bonnie prince charlie who was the scottish king in exile so scottish bonnie prince charlie had been a templar he had passed down the templar tradition uh via scotland uh he was an exiled into france and uh anyhow he he uh he had a um illegitimate son uh uh i can't remember the woman's name who he was with But she. was the grandmother of napoleon napoleon so that's why he was of good blood so he was technically scottish royalty um and uh and he was also working with bernard raymond fabre palaprat who was the grand master of the templar order at the time bernard raymond fabre palaprat was napoleon's physician personal physician and he helped guide him on his campaigns this is part of the reason why napoleon raided malta because where the knights of malta were which were the descendants of the knights hospitalier who had inherited all the templar property when the templars were suppressed right so they inherited they also inherited a lot of documents and stuff that they had preserved uh and uh so that's part of why napoleon went to malta to try to gain some of that stuff back for france he also went to um egypt right and he had his egyptian campaign right but and he also raided the vatican and he brought a lot of what he could find he was specifically looking for templar documents in the vatican and he he raided the vatican he brought all that back to france uh uh alfonso constance or eliphas levi was his esoteric name was partly in charge of sifting through those documents those templar documents and uh and then from that he wrote his book uh transcendental magic um which talks about a lot of these ideas and then albert pike literally plagiarized that book and 80 percent of albert pike's book morals and dogma is from eliphas levi's writings interesting the only difference is whenever eliphas levi said magic uh albert pike changed it to reason but um this is what the the degrees of the scottish right is largely based on and uh so the holy knight or knight kadosh in the scottish right is a templar knight and then within the york right the knight templar within the york rise based on templars so it was kind of a way of freemasonry reconciling with its past of where it really originally came out of interesting but the master mason degree within freemasonry is really the highest degree within freemasonry it's the stan it's the everything else is describing the origins of that master mason degree and that master mason degree is where they have the symbolic death and raising that the templars used that that you find in ancient egypt that the lazarus story is based off of that the mayans use right and so it was it was believed to be the degree that went all the way back not only in egypt but into atlantis and was also really describing the resurrection of atlantis itself the resurrection of atlantis itself and uh yeah i always see images of napoleon and uh yeah i always see images of napoleon and uh yeah i always see images of napoleon with his hand with his hand with his hand tucked into yeah yeah that's a masonic sign tucked into yeah yeah that's a masonic sign tucked into yeah yeah that's a masonic sign and it alluded to um when it was hidden like that and it alluded to um when it was hidden like that it it it alludes to the uh you know hiding of the it it alludes to the uh you know hiding of the it it alludes to the uh you know hiding of the tradition tradition tradition hiding the heart protecting the heart hiding the heart protecting the heart hiding the heart uh freemason uh freemason uh freemason is is is first prepared to be a mason in his heart first prepared to be a mason in his heart first prepared to be a mason in his heart and uh it can even be argued that the and uh it can even be argued that the and uh it can even be argued that the without revealing it without revealing it without revealing it the um the um the um the master mason word the master mason word the master mason word the word that's given the word that's given the word that's given to a master mason when they're raised to a master mason when they're raised to a master mason when they're raised it originally comes from an arabic word it originally comes from an arabic word it originally comes from an arabic word that means uh that means uh that means uh it's in arabic it's mahabin it's in arabic it's mahabin it's in arabic it's mahabin and and and and this episode is brought to you by state this episode is brought to you by state this episode is brought to you by state farm listening to this podcast instead farm listening to this podcast instead farm listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling of doom scrolling of doom scrolling smart move another smart move getting smart move another smart move getting smart move another smart 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mohabin in arabic means uh and mohabin in arabic means uh and mohabin in arabic means uh welcome to the loving place welcome to welcome to the loving place welcome to welcome to the loving place welcome to the place of the heart the place of the heart the place of the heart uh comes from mahaba in arabic which uh comes from mahaba in arabic which uh comes from mahaba in arabic which means to love means to love means to love and uh and uh and uh but it was believed that this is really but it was believed that this is really but it was believed that this is really what what what brought osiris back to life again was brought osiris back to life again was brought osiris back to life again was his heart his heart his heart being put back in being put back in being put back in uh and it was uh uh and it was uh uh and it was uh uh uh uh the egyptians believe that in order to the egyptians believe that in order to the egyptians believe that in order to attain the higher states of consciousness attain the higher states of consciousness attain the higher states of consciousness you had to think through your heart you had to think through your heart you had to think through your heart and this was an idea that was also and this was an idea that was also and this was an idea that was also expressed within the gnostic traditions expressed within the gnostic traditions expressed within the gnostic traditions that it's only through our heart that it's only through our heart that it's only through our heart listening to our heart listening to our heart listening to our heart that we can perceive or or hear that we can perceive or or hear that we can perceive or or hear the words of god the words of god the words of god the true words of the god of light the the true words of the god of light the the true words of the god of light the god of love god of love god of love the god of life the god of life the god of life not the demiurge but the original god the god of fire but the original god the god of fire but the original god the god of fire even um even um even um even even even even the word jesus in hebrew even the word jesus in hebrew even the word jesus in hebrew uh so in hebrew god is uh so in hebrew god is uh so in hebrew god is yod he vahe the sacred name of god in yod he vahe the sacred name of god in yod he vahe the sacred name of god in the hebrew tradition jesus it can be argued can be spelled jesus it can be argued can be spelled jesus it can be argued can be spelled yod hey shin vahe yod hey shin vahe yod hey shin vahe well shin in the um uh uh uh hebrew kabbalistic tradition was was hebrew kabbalistic tradition was was hebrew kabbalistic tradition was was associated with fire or divine light associated with fire or divine light associated with fire or divine light in fact when a in fact when a in fact when a hebrew priest or an eastern orthodox hebrew priest or an eastern orthodox hebrew priest or an eastern orthodox priest gives a blessing they put their priest gives a blessing they put their priest gives a blessing they put their hand in the shape hand in the shape hand in the shape which uh which uh which uh is is is the shape of the hebrew letter shin is the shape of the hebrew letter shin is the shape of the hebrew letter shin it represents the divine fire the divine it represents the divine fire the divine it represents the divine fire the divine light light light so so jesus was saying so so jesus was saying so so jesus was saying he was the divine light he was the divine light he was the divine light hidden with the even within the name of hidden with the even within the name of hidden with the even within the name of god god god i see right so there's the demi even i see right so there's the demi even i see right so there's the demi even within the demiurge within the demiurge within the demiurge which was believed to be which was believed to be which was believed to be jave jave jave yod he vow he hidden within that was a divine light and he represented the voice of that divine light i see so it was um but uh this was the divine light of god the true god the true god of light and life and love and uh was the um uh the source the um the monad that uh everything else came out of right so now you said that there's two treasuries of the templars that still exist are they in the united states they're both in the united states i can't tell you where they are but i can tell you that um one of them is up in montana region and uh when jefferson sent lewis and clark on their mission to so jefferson purchased the louisiana purchase from napoleon uh napoleon at the time knew his days were numbered he was aware of one of these vaults these templar vaults in the americas uh within that area and he he sold the louisiana purchase to jefferson because jefferson was taken over by lewis and clark and jefferson was taken over by lewis and temp was a templar he was secretly a templar and it's why he was recognized by freemasons even though officially there's no record of him being a freemason but there were lodges named after him there was his his nephews that were named after him all became well-known freemasons there's a masonic funeral for jefferson even though he there's no official record of him being a freemason he had also attended the lodge of nine muses in france which was a masonic lodge but there's no official record of jefferson being made a freemason but he was a templar and he was he was known for his connections. Napoleon sold the Louisiana Purchase to him where one of these vaults was up in Montana. So when Jefferson sent Lewis and Clark, who were Freemasons, up into the region, they specifically went to go look for this vault, amongst other things, and make sure it was still there. I'll tell you, this is a secret within the Templar order, but I'm comfortable revealing here. If you take the Newport Tower in Rhode Island, which was a Templar landmark, it was a Templar structure. It has a specific alignment. On the summer solstice or in the winter solstice, summer and winter solstice, there's a beam of light that illuminates a keystone that's in the tower itself. And there's a specific alignment that's set up that points to the Kensington Runestone in Minnesota. And if you keep following that path. Past the Kensington Runestone, it leads to where one of the vaults is. And I can't tell you exactly where it's at. We know where it's at in Montana, but it's, yeah, there's the Newport Tower, which was originally a Templar structure that was built. And I encourage you to look at the works of Scott Walter related to that, but where he proves that. There's an alignment that goes to the Kensington Runestone in Minnesota. And if you keep following that alignment, it leads to one of the vaults in Montana. This particular vault was guarded and still continues to be guarded by one of the tribes there in Minnesota. But Lewis and Clark were actually sent to check on that vault amongst other things. And that's why they went that way. And then made their way over from there into Portland, Oregon, you know, went to the coast. Do they write about that? Or is that secretive? They write about being near the vault. They write about disappearing for a few days to go check on things in the area. And then coming back to base camp, you know, well, that period of time where they're disappearing is their chicken on the vault itself. Did you feel that, or is it believed that Napoleon sells this portion of land plus the vault to Jefferson because he wants it to be in good keeping with another Templar brother? That's exactly what it was. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. Because the deal makes no sense. I mean, it's so cheap. Right, exactly. It's because it was all to preserve the Templar vault that they were, were both aware of. And, um, that vault still continues to exist. And that's where some of the arcs are. And that's one, that's the one that we hope to open here soon. Um, a lot of the reason why I'm doing these podcasts interviews is to make people aware of certain ideas. We're trying to get the public aware of certain ideas that are, they're not contrary to what's in the Bible, but they're like extensions. It's like a little bit more. I mean, like for example, instead of being an arc of the covenant, there are multiple arcs, right? We have to get people used to that idea before we reveal them. And when will you open this one? Uh, we're hoping to do it here within the next, uh, within the next year or two, we're waiting. We've been waiting for conditions to be right, where we can, first of all, reveal it all at once around the world, which we can do now with our modern technology. It's number one. Number two, we have to set up conditions so that these things belong to all people. They don't belong to any one religion. They don't belong to anyone. Government. And there's going to be everyone from Spain to, uh, Egypt to, uh, Italy, uh, the Vatican to the United States itself are all going to try to lay claim to these things. We need to get it understood that these belong to all humanity. They don't belong to any one government. You're going to have a Jewish, uh, Christian and Muslim traditions trying to lay claim to this stuff. They don't belong to any of them. They belong to all of them. Uh, even Sabine and let's not forget the native American Indians, indigenous first nation people who have been protecting it for us. You know, they, all of these things are going to be going to have a place at the table or the round table, shall we say where everyone's equal, right? So we get it, get people prepared to, uh, understand that also within these vaults are, uh, Gnostic scriptures, uh, other scriptures of the new Testament, like the Nedge Monday that are, uh, tell a little bit different story of the new Testament. So that's going to affect Christianity. There are Kabbalistic texts, which speak at a different interpretation to the Torah. Um, there are things that validate things, ideas that are in the Quran. Uh, and there are hermetic texts as well, um, which was hermeticism was just a pagan form of Gnosticism. Um, and all of these things, they, they work together. Um, but we had to kind of prepare people for that. And so they understand it so that when we reveal it, it's understood in context. So we have two vaults, uh, one in this area, Minnesota that we're looking to open soon. There's another vault that, uh, is in actually in Washington, DC. It's on national park property. The people, the current custodians of the national parks don't, uh, know it's there. And, uh, it's going to take some work to get permission to, to dig that up on national park property, especially in an area where they don't know it exists is there. Um, but it's been there since the revolutionary war. So it was moved there at that time. So we got these two vaults, both of which contain arcs. The arcs are divided up three. It's my understanding. Now I haven't gone into these vaults. I just know where they are. It's my understanding that there are three vaults. There are three arcs, uh, at the vault in Montana. There's three arcs at the vault in Washington, DC, as well as a whole lot of other treasures that have been collected. By the Templar order, um, in antiquity and these texts, you know, different texts, uh, and that all of this from a Templar perspective is, uh, geared towards creating a new Atlantis that the United States was intended to be created as a new, new Atlantis, a new Jerusalem. Um, uh, it's why we have the freedoms that we demanded be put in place. It's the reason why Washington, DC was originally designed to be built like a giant Egyptian necropolis, but instead, you know, ended up being built, uh, with some Egyptian themes, uh, uh, uh, like the Washington monument being a giant, uh, obelisk, um, but also Greek, Greek ideas. It was believed that, uh, Athena was one of the, originally one of the goddesses of, uh, Atlantis and, uh, That's what Athens is named after in Greece. But some of that symbolism was incorporated into Washington, D.C. as well, as well as the Roman influence after that. It's why the Great Seal of the United States has a pyramid on it. It's why some of the cities around early America are named after the way they are, like Memphis. Memphis was an ancient name for Egypt, for example, for an area of Egypt, particularly where the alchemical processes were taking place. But anyhow, there's this whole tradition there. And the idea is that the foundations have been laid. We're now at a point where people have the freedom and we don't have the control of the Roman church and churches in general that we used to. People are more open-minded now to these ideas. And there's been an effort on behalf of the Templar Order over the last 250 years to get people used to understanding that the myths associated with Christianity and with even Judaism, come from earlier sources, and that these earlier sources have a pattern to them, and that this pattern describes a network from the ancient world that went back to this Atlantis. Francis Bacon, who was a Templar, he was responsible for writing some of the Shakespeare plays, which introduced new words in the English language. But he also wrote the book, The New Atlantis. And it was an outline for how to recreate these technologies of Atlantis. It's what the royal society, the Royal Society of Britain, when it was founded, was based on, was trying to develop these technologies. Hey guys, we're gonna take a break really quick, because if you know me, you know I'm constantly trying to find the perfect level of stimulation. 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Isaac Newton, much of his work was also- Isaac Newton, he was a Templar as well. And Isaac Newton was friends, best friends with Jean Theophilus Desagalliae, who was a member of the Royal Society. He was also one of the first Grand Masters of the Grand Lodge of England, the newly formed Grand Lodge of England of Freemasonry. They worked with Robert Boyle and others to do alchemy. They were refining. They were refining these processes. In fact, Isaac Newton had a book that he valued more amongst all others. And it was called "Mana." And it was alchemical treaties on how to create this mana, this monoatomic substance that the Templars had learned of. But he also did a, in fact, and I have a, a translation of it in this book I gave you. Isaac Newton's translation of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes. He had his own personal translation of it that he did. But it was all based on this, the sciences of, that had been learned by the Templars in ancient Egypt that was said to go back to Atlantis. And, and so, but they were, they, they, they, they, they, and so, but they were all, you know, Francis Bacon, you know, his New Atlantis was about, okay, these are the technologies we need to develop. The Royal Society started to do that. Scientists within the United States finished that process. - What kind of technology is that? - Everything you have today. I mean, from automobiles to, you know, to submarines, to personal computers, to, to the technology to broadcast images and sound across all over the earth, satellite technology. These were all alluded to in Francis Bacon's New Atlantis. - The story of New Atlantis is that there were these people who, who landed on an, they crash landed on an island, right? Their boat crash landed on this island. And when they got off the island, they found that there was a group already existing there on the island. And this group referred to themselves as the Children of Solomon. And the head of the Children of Solomon wore a turban with a red Templar cross on it. And they had developed all of these technologies and medicines and, and, and so when the captain of the ship said, where did you learn about all this? How did you develop all this? And, and who are you? The college, the head of the College of Solomon said, well, let's look, it's like this. We live on this island and we know the entire world. We know that this is the world. We know that this is the world that we live in. And they said, "Well, where'd you learn of the technology?" He said, well, shortly after we came here to this island, we looked out and we saw a cross, an equal arm cross hovering over the ocean. And so we sailed our sailboats out to this cross of light that was in the sky. And there was a force field that wouldn't let us get any closer to it. But it shot this book out to us. And this book was an instruction manual on how to make all this stuff. So we brought it back to the island and we've been making it ever since. So basically they described this UFO encounter, right? Where they see this thing in the sky, this light in the sky that's in the shape of a cross. And it gives them this book that they then start to reverse engineer, or I guess engineer. The things in the book. An Enoch-esque kind of story. Right. And that's where, and they call themselves the College of Solomon. And the leader's wearing a red Templar cross on his turban. And so this was the secret Templar tradition. And it was this, really, it was the secret Templar tradition of the Americas, of trying to establish this within the Americas. So within the United States. In particular, the creation of the United States. So the creation of the United States was based on this model of this, creating this new Atlantis, which was the mission of the Templar order initially, which was to go out and find the remnants of Atlantis, gain their knowledge, their philosophy, their technology, bring it back. Right. To create a new Templar state, a new Atlantis, a new Jerusalem, a free state where people would have the freedoms to not only understand all this, but to worship as they chose to, to gather as they wanted to, to have all the rights that are within the Bill of Rights. Again, that was emphasized in Parsifal. By Wolfram von Eschenbach, where it said, if any Templar becomes a ruler of foreign people, let them ensure they are given their God-given rights. So that's what this country was founded on. That's why now we celebrate the 250-year anniversary where my great-great-great-grandfather died at the Battle of Bunker Hill. He was the martyr of the revolution. He was the grand commander of the Templars at the time. His brother, John Warren, was the first grandmaster of Freemasonry within the states. They're the ones that staged the Boston Tea Party to ensure that we, that kicked off so that we could have these rights today. And the United States was created to. Pave the way to show the rest of the world what it means to have freedoms, to have a democratic system, where we have a representational government, where we can build ourselves into the future. You know, and as long as we can continue to get along with each other, we can create. That, you know, a future that goes, we believe, into space and maybe eventually back to Orion again, you know? Do you think the Templars have done a good job at making America into the new Atlantis? We've done as best we can. I mean, anytime. Obviously, we don't run it. We created the model and the system. Set forth the freedoms. We created the freedoms for people to have a government of the people, for the people, by the people. But it was believed at the time that your representatives that you elected were the most educated amongst the people. That was the hope. That was the. The model was based on. The model was based on that, that the most educated people would be elected and therefore could guide the rest of the country. We now live in a representational government where it's just mob rule. You know, whoever has the most votes wins, but the mob is uneducated. Right. And so we. We elect uneducated leaders. And this has led us kind of astray to a certain degree. I mean, it's led to infighting. It's led to corrupt leadership that. Where our representative governments are. Represent who pays them the most money as far as lobbying. Instead of. You know, who's the most educated amongst them. And so we're kind of in a mess right now. Right. The potential is still there, though. We can still have greatness. Even our institutions, our educational institutions have become corrupted by money and by. Some would argue, you know, they have their rights. So we're kind of in a mess right now. But the foundational principles are still there for us to have a great country and for the people to come together. As long as there continues to be separation between church and state, so that we don't have religions trying to control government. And that's the whole reason why the Templars created a separation of church and state as they saw what happened in Europe when the church controlled the government. I mean, it led to their downfall, you know. And so, you know, it's important that there's a separation there. And one of the pitfalls that we're starting to see is we're getting elected leaders that are more subservient to their church systems than they are to the people themselves. And that's a problem. It's not to say that religion doesn't have its place. From a Templar perspective, I mean, at the heart of all religions is something sacred. And we're sworn to protect the sacred regardless of its source. The problem is, see, in the ancient world, if you were a priest of any one religion, you could go to another religion and be recognized. And they all kind of recognized that they were all part of a system that originally came from the same source at some point far in antiquity. So they could recognize each other. The problem today is we have all these religions that all come out of the same sources, but they're all fighting with each other. I see. And so if any one of them starts to try to control government, it's at the exclusion of the others. And it can't be that way. It needs to be as, you know, it's said. But we have, for example, we have a left wing and we have a right wing, but they're both part of the same bird. You know, they're both part of the same eagle, you know, and we forget that sometimes. So I'm curious your opinion, my feeling, maybe my assumption when looking at the early founding of America and how many of the framers were Freemasons. Yeah. I was kind of assumed that it was a very powerful club. Yeah. A very powerful society. Yeah. And all the most well-educated, powerful and important people of the time would belong to this club so that they could share information sort of away from the eye of the church, away from the eye of the government, whether it's, you know, the monarch in England, and that they were able to operate kind of in the shadows. And they were able to kind of like do deals and work together. And it existed in a specific time when that was important. And as time has gone on, that Freemasonry has kind of lost its foothold within American society and no longer. -has the power that it once had. - Yeah, I mean, really, Originally, it was, yeah, it was, because it was secret, it could operate in a way in which ideas could be exchanged. It wasn't necessarily powerful. I mean, it was, you got to remember, these were colonists, but they did have a network, you know, an underground network. And that network still exists. You know, I mean, if Freemasonry, technically, the degrees of Freemasonry were said to be, the teachings were said to be pre-Diluvian teachings or teachings that existed before the flood that had been found by the Templars and had been made, made into a degree system in places like Scotland and France and, and which were designed to prepare people to build civilization again. And should civilization be destroyed like it had been in the past, it could be recreated just based on, based on what every Mason had memorized from these degree systems. So it was kind of an underground network that was, when it came to building the United States, it was building a new civilization and it already had the keys for how to do that. And our, our government was largely based off of those teachings, you know, that, that, that system that, for example, there were, three within every Masonic lodge, there are three principal officers that represent three branches of government. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling, smart move. Another smart move, getting help from one of State Farm's 19,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto. Bundling, just another way to save with the book. A personal price plan. And these were largely based off of what was known as the Kabbalistic tree of life within the Hebrew Kabbalistic tradition, where there are three pillars and that all organization of reality was, was constructed, based off of these three pillars. Well, the same way that the Masonic tradition has those same three pillars. And then the United States government was built off of those three pillars. That's why we have a, you know, a federal legislative in a judicial branches of government. Those three different pillars, executive, judicial, right? Executive. Yeah. Executive, judicial, and, and, uh, and, uh, uh, Ex. Yeah, correct. Executive, judicial, legislative. And legislative, right. Correct. And that, uh, you know, the structure of government is based off of those, uh, three pillars. Um, well, this was a, this was believed to be an ancient idea for, for structure. Uh, so the United States government was based off of that. Um, it was even believed to be a cause. It was a cosmic model, if you will, for how, um, uh, all organization, uh, comes from this from a, from a Hebrew Kabbalistic standpoint, there are three pillars with, uh, 10 emanations on them connected by 22 paths. Could you pull up the Kabbalistic tree of life? That's forming, uh, 32 combinations. With a hidden 33rd, this is really where the degree system of the Scottish right of Freemasonry comes from comes out of a Kabbalistic tradition. Correct. And it's also by the way, where if you look at the Mayan system for how they say that their reality came out of a cosmic tree, and this tree had 22 branches, which connected their 10. They're 10 main deities within the Mayan framework and it's because it's, it's the same framework as the Hebrew Kabbalistic tradition and they built their temples out of them and they even put a two, two main pillars within the doorways of all their temples. Uh, just like Solomon's temple was built. So there's a, there's a direct correlation. Correlation there on different sides of the Atlantic, uh, and, uh, the, the Hebrew Kabbalistic tradition largely came out of the Zohar. There you go. Mm-hmm. Um, so you have the three branch, the three pillars, right? Wisdom, strength, and beauty, the three main pillars of the Kabbalistic tradition. Mm-hmm. Um, so that was said to be a cosmic blueprint. Mm-hmm. And our United States government was base, and it had, and it had three main levels to it, or three main horizontal bars. And those, by the way, those horizontal bars corresponded to the Hebrew letters, mem, aleph, and shin, which corresponded to water, air, and fire, uh, respectively. That shin, again, was the fire we talked about earlier. Mm-hmm. And, uh, they were levels of awakening. And, uh, these were the same levels of awakening within the Gnostic tradition. It's believed that's why in the, even the story of Noah's Ark, which was the original flood story of the Bible, um, you have the Earth obsessed with its physical senses, which was associated with Earth. Along comes a flood, water. Then Noah lets birds go into the air. Mm-hmm. Which was associated with air. And then he lands on Mount Ararat and makes a burnt sacrifice to God, which is fire. So these were the stages of consciousness awakening. And by the way, Ararat in Sanskrit means illuminated one. Mm-hmm. Or gnosis, or divine knowledge. Mm-hmm. So, um, these things are all the same story. Uh, they're just told symbolically. They're told symbolically in different ways, in different cultures, but they use the same symbolism for the most part, but, uh. I'm curious, your opinion with Freemasonry specifically, there's so many conspiracies that surround Freemasonry. Sure. Um, have you seen like the Freemasonic apron being the same as like the Gmail logo? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Could you Google that? Like, what do you make of that? Or the, uh, the, the Facebook logo being. Tubal cane. Tubal cane, yeah, tubal cane. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, sure. Um, you know, these things enter into pop culture, whether intentionally or not. I mean, there's a certain, on a certain level, Freemasons practice a symbolic system that's archetypal, right? It's something that's already within the consciousness. Mm-hmm. Of people, whether they realize it or not. Mm-hmm. And what happens is these things get grafted onto new developments, but, uh, you know, there, there have been Freemasons that have been involved in logo making, you know, uh, especially with, but it's not like it's a conspiracy, like Freemasonry is running it, right? It's more like there's the archetypal. There's the archetypal patterns that show up that Freemasonry is already using. So you would say that it's not necessarily a proof of control or an homage, but rather touching on some type of same. Correct, yeah. Undergirding truth. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's an archetypal truth. It's a truth that's, it's these symbolisms, the symbolism's already there. I mean, another example, for example, is, um, if you ever look at the Lion King, the story of the Lion King. Mm-hmm. That Disney put out, it's, uh, it's the, it's, it's the original story of Osiris and Set, and, uh, how, how Osiris is, is tricked by his brother, Set, uh, is, uh, killed, and, uh, and then Horus, uh, which would be the young, the new lion cub, uh, comes to power. But he's, um, he's, uh. His guide is Rafiki, who's the baboon. Well, the baboon is Toth, or Tehuti, in the Egyptian myths. And, uh, in the Lion King, you'll notice that, uh, Rafiki, the, the baboon, he has a. he has a staff with two balls on it two ball cane right um just like you see in the facebook logo which is also a masonic symbol you know and what does that symbol mean for masonry well tubal cane was the uh eighth man from adam who uh so far excelled in cunning smith work to be the inventor of metallic operations by fire which is alchemy right so he was so it was an allusion to his name you know which is important to freemasons i see so um because of the alchemical tradition you know that was there i mean and the story of of lying i guess coming from osiris also becomes what mcbeth yeah it's a similar story yeah yeah written by francis bacon francis bacon right you're right exactly exactly and by the way francis bacon going back to francis bacon he was the illegitimate son of or he was the son hamlet hamlet hamlet yeah he was he was the son hidden at birth uh of queen elizabeth he was queen elizabeth's son the queen was with the first he was francis bacon was her secret son uh he had been given to lord nicholas and lady and bacon who uh was lord nicholas was the um chancellor if you will of of under queen elizabeth uh and lady and bacon was uh queen elizabeth's main lady in waiting and so queen elizabeth in order to maintain her power had to be seen as a virgin queen this is what gave her power because the other monarchies of europe were all trying to marry her and so if she remained unwed and as a virgin then it gave her a certain amount of power in uh working with these other monarchies in europe that were all trying to connect with her and and to try to have power over her but by staying a virgin queen it made her made her maintain her power so she couldn't have been known for not being a virgin and having a a child out of wood luck wedlock uh uh and uh so francis bacon had to be hidden at birth he was given to lord nicholas and lady and bacon to raise uh but he was raised close to the uh the court he was tutored by people like john d uh who was the queen's astrologer but she was also one of her his one of queen's uh top lines of defense she was in charge of their secret service 007 007 was his secret cipher number and it represented him looking out for queen elizabeth the two eyes and the hand was the 007 and uh that's why where ian fleming got that from for james bond later on but uh it was um so francis bacon was raised he was tutored by john d as well as others and this is also why when he started to write the shakespeare plays by the way he chose the word shakespeare because this was the device of athena who was the goddess of atlantis uh palace athena was said to have a helmet of invisibility and she shook a spear well wilhelm means helmet shakespeare is the spear so these are the two magical talismans of athena that and she was the she was the goddess of atlantis according to plato but poseidon was the god of atlantis and athena was the goddess that's why athens was named after athena and it's why francis bacon chose these two things for the name william shakespeare he found someone named william shakespeare and it fit very well to to but there's no evidence of shakespeare's own writing in fact his own signatures that we have of him it's like he could barely sign his own name the francis bacon perhaps heard the name from a real person right and then adopted it yeah and so uh and then francis bacon encoded you know stuff all throughout the shakespeare plays that put his name in the name of athena and so he was the god of atlantis and so he was the god of atlantis and so he was the god of atlantis and so he was the god of atlantis and um uh uh like uh i think it's uh midsummer night's dream there's a character named francis flute and francis the name francis appears like 32 times on one page you know again alluding to that number related to the kabbalistic tradition which was francis bacon's cipher number as well but she would have learned all this from jimmy bryan and so she would have learned all this from jimmy bryan and so she would have learned all this from jimmy bryan and so she would have learned she would have learned all this from john d and from the templar tradition that he was a part of by the way queen elizabeth the first was a templar um she belonged to a group a templar group in germany uh that was known as the uh militia crucifera evangelica and uh there was a book published uh called the neometria and it was a two thousand page book that was talking about the symbolic dimensions of king solomon's temple and how this alluded to alchemical gnostic and kabbalistic ideas frederick the duke of wutenberg was the grandmaster of the militia crucifera evangelica but the neometria lists queen elizabeth the first as a member of it and this was an underground templar body it ended up simon studion was the was the one who wrote the neometria this ended up forming later what was known as the rosicrucian movement it came out of the militia crucifera evangelica and and johan valentine andrea who wrote the chemical wedding of christian rosenkreutz he was a member of the militia crucifera evangelica which was this underground templar body and it's the reason why christian rosenkreutz in the rosicrucian manifestos is described as having a tunic with a red equal armed cross over the shoulder which is again the templar symbol so um all these things go back freemasonry rosicrucianism they all uh the the the militia crucifera evangelica they all go back to this underground templar body right in tradition of which queen elizabeth the first was listed as a member and then of course her son was francis bacon who wrote the new atlantis which described the technologies that needed to be developed by this underground hidden templar body that was uh to exist in the new world of what's now the united states of america doesn't go back even further to hyrum abiff in the creation of the second temple yeah so that's a myth that's not found in the bible but it's found within freemasonry hyrum if you transliterate hyrum into from hebrew into greek basically you take the letters hrm because he doesn't have any vowels you translate transliterate that into greek hyrum becomes herme which is hermes right and that's why even the hyrum of the bible is described as being a master of metallurgy is making dye yeah hyrum of tire making dyes um all the things that hermes is ascribed to being able to do and it's again it's alluding to that hermetic tradition of which moses himself had been initiated into again tutmosis the toot or the tahuti toth toth is hermes right right and that's why the uh it's believed that early christianity was trying to go back to that tradition which is why the natural monday library which is found just outside the valley of the kings they had early christian texts gospels in these clay jars but they also had hermetic writings with them which means that 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and zeros and it's it's just it's really at the end of the day ones and zeros and it's it's not even that it's just energy that's organized that way not even that it's just energy that's organized that way right and that's what our reality is right and that's what our reality is right and that's what our reality is we're we're living in a matrix and we're we're living in a matrix and we're we're living in a matrix and uh just as and our thoughts uh just as and our thoughts uh just as and our thoughts are a part of that mind stuff and it's are a part of that mind stuff and it's are a part of that mind stuff and it's in fact our thoughts are co-creative in fact our thoughts are co-creative in fact our thoughts are co-creative within that matrix and that's the basis within that matrix and that's the basis of alchemy of alchemy of alchemy that our thoughts actually affect the that our thoughts actually affect the that our thoughts actually affect the outcome of our reality outcome of our reality outcome of our reality and that once you understand that that's and that once you understand that that's and that once you understand that that's the beginning of mastery the beginning of mastery the beginning of mastery that you are a co-creator within that you are a co-creator within that you are a co-creator within a giant mind a giant mind a giant mind of reality that the energy around us is of reality that the energy around us is of reality that the energy around us is just just just that makes up reality that makes up reality that makes up reality it's just the mind of the it's just the mind of the it's just the mind of the creator creator creator and you're a co-creator within that and you're a co-creator within that and you're a co-creator within that and uh and uh and uh and that there is no death and that there is no death and that there is no death right because it's all part of the right because it's all part of the right because it's all part of the program program program and that jesus really came here to show and that jesus really came here to show and that jesus really came here to show people people people a to liberate people from a to liberate people from a to liberate people from their own their own their own lower nature their own thing that keeps lower nature their own thing that keeps lower nature their own thing that keeps them imprisoned here them imprisoned here them imprisoned here death doesn't really exist death doesn't really exist death doesn't really exist and that uh and that uh and that uh you know and once you understand that you know and once you understand that you know and once you understand that and that's part of what these and that's part of what these and that's part of what these initiation ceremonies initiation ceremonies initiation ceremonies are designed to show are designed to show are designed to show um when um um when um um when um during the templar initiation ceremonies during the templar initiation ceremonies during the templar initiation ceremonies or the mayan initiation ceremonies or or the mayan initiation ceremonies or or the mayan initiation ceremonies or the masonic initiation ceremonies the masonic initiation ceremonies the masonic initiation ceremonies really if they're done right they're really if they're done right they're really if they're done right they're designed to designed to designed to help you realize that help you realize that help you realize that you have a consciousness that transcends you have a consciousness that transcends you have a consciousness that transcends the body that transcends the physical the body that transcends the physical the body that transcends the physical body body body and so there is no real death and so there is no real death and so there is no real death and once you understand that that's the and once you understand that that's the and once you understand that that's the beginning of mastery beginning of mastery beginning of mastery because you're no longer afraid because you're no longer afraid because you're no longer afraid you can move forward and help guide you can move forward and help guide you can move forward and help guide humanity humanity humanity and you know people threaten you because you're going against their uh you're going against their uh you're going against their uh conditioning their brainwashing conditioning their brainwashing conditioning their brainwashing uh it doesn't matter if they kill you uh it doesn't matter if they kill you uh it doesn't matter if they kill you because you're going to survive so then because you're going to survive so then because you're going to survive so then is there a demiurge that keeps us in is there a demiurge that keeps us in is there a demiurge that keeps us in this illusion this illusion this illusion according to the templar tradition there according to the templar tradition there according to the templar tradition there is but the demiurge is our own is but the demiurge is our own is but the demiurge is our own collective ego collective ego collective ego that keeps us afraid that keeps us in line that keeps us in line that keeps us in line what is the term azaboth what is the term azaboth what is the term azaboth yeah uh yeah there's there's several yeah uh yeah there's there's several yeah uh yeah there's there's several different names from gnostic tradition different names from gnostic tradition different names from gnostic tradition from the gnostic tradition the creation from the gnostic tradition the creation from the gnostic tradition the creation of sophia that's hidden in the cloud of sophia that's hidden in the cloud of sophia that's hidden in the cloud right well so sophia created the demiurge right well so sophia created the demiurge right well so sophia created the demiurge accidentally or according to some accidentally or according to some accidentally or according to some gnostic traditions gnostic traditions gnostic traditions so so sophia or wisdom so so sophia or wisdom so so sophia or wisdom she was um she was um she was um she was an e and a what's known as an a on she was an e and a what's known as an a on she was an e and a what's known as an a on a uh a uh a uh one of the pairs of thoughts one of the pairs of thoughts one of the pairs of thoughts created by the monad and there's the created by the monad and there's the created by the monad and there's the masculine and the feminine there's the masculine and the feminine there's the masculine and the feminine there's the masculine feminine so the christos or the masculine feminine so the christos or the masculine feminine so the christos or the universal consciousness was the universal consciousness was the universal consciousness was the masculine masculine masculine the sophia was the feminine the sophia was the feminine the sophia was the feminine and uh and uh and uh and that and that and that sophia sophia sophia outside of the christos without being outside of the christos without being outside of the christos without being paired with the christos paired with the christos paired with the christos accidentally created the demiurge accidentally created the demiurge accidentally created the demiurge or or or maybe out of curiosity she she created maybe out of curiosity she she created maybe out of curiosity she she created material material material a a a material god material god material god or a a god that could create material or a a god that could create material or a a god that could create material reality shall we say but subservient reality shall we say but subservient reality shall we say but subservient to the monad to the monad to the monad so underneath underneath right and it so underneath underneath right and it so underneath underneath right and it was that it was alzabath was that the was that it was alzabath was that the was that it was alzabath was that the name correct yeah it's one of the names name correct yeah it's one of the names name correct yeah it's one of the names yeah um yeah um yeah um yaldabad is another yeah yaldabad is another yeah yaldabad is another yeah um but it was um but it was um but it was it was a um this god this god this god created by sophia existed thinking it was all that was existed thinking it was all that was existed thinking it was all that was because it was hidden out of shame because because it was hidden out of shame because because it was hidden out of shame because it was hidden yeah it was hidden yeah it was hidden yeah or it was or it was or it was it was created and perhaps she and perhaps she and perhaps she created it and didn't know how to control created it and didn't know how to control created it and didn't know how to control it it uh and it uh it became this matrix of uh and it uh it became this matrix of uh and it uh it became this matrix of material reality material reality material reality still within the the the the made out of the mind stuff of the monad right but but in a new form and uh being isolated it thought that that's all it was and so when humanity was created out of that uh humanity thought that's where all that is we became a materialistic creature i think the materialism all that was but as we started to wake up to gnosis to the divine knowledge this is when we come to realize supposedly we started to create other gods in our image we created beings that explained our own psychological states and uh so this this demi urge became a jealous god no other gods before me right and uh and then this is this led to genocide you know peop you know the the sanctioning of genocide of people against people it led to the the collapse of the tower of babel in order to confuse people it led to the um originally it led to uh uh the demiurge coming down into the garden of eden and trying to find adam and eve well clearly this isn't an omniscient omnipresent god right because he would know where they were he wouldn't need to find them right uh and it was even believed that the serpent may have been the that was trying to open the eyes of adam and eve this represented the gnosis and it represented jesus the messiah in fact the word serpent nehesh which we talked about before in in hebrew gematria adds up to 358. well messiah in hebrew also adds up to 358. so alluded to this was the messiah that opens our eyes and by the way 358 is part of the fibonacci sequence right which is the um the proof of the mind of god in our reality because you find it all throughout material world right from the distance of the planets from each other to how plants grow to how the human body grows right right and not to confuse people this comes from the gnostic tradition the gnostic this is not a mainstream christian not mainstream right right but it's something that the templars adopted and accepted and do the freemasons adopt this to a capacity it's it's alluded to within the masonic degree system yes um freemasons say uh that you could be a freemason of any from any faith any religion and we all come together worship the same altar but freemasonry itself is not a religion in itself right it's a fraternity that brings in people of different faiths uh and recognizing that there's a truth within all of it and that this is the start of building society right you can't build society unless you have people of different backgrounds coming together um the united states of america is based on that model why is it so important for the freemasons for the actual construction of these great buildings and these great uh monoliths or i guess megaliths yeah they're symbolic number one of uh they represent uh ourselves again just like the model of the cathedral that's based on the human body and form or the ancient egyptian temples were based on a human body and form in the same way as as joseph campbell says you know all the gods and all the goddesses all the the gods and all the devils are all within you right they're all aspects of our own consciousness um and coming to understand that as we as we go into a temple or we go into a church go into a cathedral we go into a there are that it it represents aspects of ourselves and our own awakening uh that's the gnostic aspect of it right that as we come to understand that we come to understand ourselves and we that's what leads to our awakening i mean uh above the temple of apollo at delphi in ancient greece was inscribed the injunction thyself and you will know the universe and the gods and this was this is the path that we're all on right i mean you are the christ you are jesus that story is your path to awakening but the same goes for the myths the other myths too around the world you know i mean it's not just christianity you know it's the myth of moses it's the myth of christianity you know it's the myth of jesus it's the myth of muhammad peace be upon him it's the myth of uh the hindu gods and goddesses it's the myth of the buddha you know these are all about our own awakening we become that that's why an enlightened uh enlightened person in buddhism becomes a buddha right an enlightened person within christianity becomes a christ it's the same idea i see what do you what do you make of alistair crowley or crowley crowley was a well first of all he was an illegitimate freemason he had been uh he had been initiated into a clandestine system of freemasonry so he adopted some of the masonic symbolism within his own um his own uh system shall we say i mean his own he he had been initiated into a a body uh of templars uh within europe that was called the the oto the the order templi orientalis uh it was it was started by a guy by the name of theodore royce royce was a had been initiated into several schools of initiation including martinism uh under gerard on cost better known as pappas he was a martinist which was a rosicrucian masonic system christian system um royce had been initiated into this he formed the oto as a new templar expression and uh crowley had been initiated into it but he was never officially initiated into the higher levels of the oto he had been exposed to several things though through it though and uh when you know world war ii in particular came there was a there was a uh great fight if you will between the esoteric orders the templar orders and the nazis the nazis had come out of a organization known as the tool society the tools or tuli society the society was uh trying to do what the templars did in terms of like going around the world collecting mysteries bringing it back to germany to try to rebuild germany up after world war one uh it became perverted and the nazi but there were several top nazis that had come out of that um so that the original templar bodies traditions like rosicrucianism nations templars freemasons they were fighting against the nazis this is why uh people like uh fdr franklin delano roosevelt and harry truman they were freemasons uh winston churchill macarthur they were they were all represented this templar strain that was fighting against the nazis but but what happened is the nazis suppressed and they the first people that went to concentration camps were not the jews it was the members of these esoteric orders freemasons rosicrucians martinus the OTO the original OTO so as the OTO got destroyed largely in Europe Crowley you know he had originally tried to when Theodore Royce died he tried to declare him Crowley declared himself the head of the OTO well nobody in Europe recognized him as the head of the OTO so what did he do he came to America he set up his own branch of the OTO and it was the only branch that survived the war because the the old OTO of Europe had had died off you know was been killed by the Nazis well Crowley's version of it was he had been initiated just enough to learn the symbolism but not enough to understand the application so he started interpreting a lot of things literally as people do when they haven't learned the deeper meaning this is what happened with Christianity early on Christianity was a symbolic system that had layers to it and the first layer was the the the physical story and then there were deeper levels uh that that story was the deeper story and then there were deeper levels uh that that story was the deeper story and then there were deeper levels uh that that story was the taught same with the story of Moses um well this is what happened with Crowley he he learned the esoteric system but he interpreted literal things literally that were symbolic uh for example within alchemy uh there are when a when an herb has been digested in a solution it's been digested in a solution it's been digested in a solution it's been digested in a solution it's been digested in a solution it's because it looks like menstrual or when a uh this episode is brought to you by State Farm listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling smart move another smart move getting help from one of State Farm's 19,000 local agents when you choose to bundle home and auto bundling just another way to save with the personal price plan prices are based on rating plans that vary by state coverage options are selected by the customer availability amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state when a uh the mana has been extracted or the secret salts have been extracted out of an experiment it's called sometimes referred to as the semen of nature because it looks like semen uh as when it's first made doesn't mean it is that that's what it looks like right well Crowley had been exposed to these ideas but he didn't know how to make the processes and so he created his own system of sex magic he took his own perversions and he started uh he thought it was literal menstruum and literal semen and he created sex rights around this not understanding that and he took the gnostic story and grafted it onto his sex magic that's it and so he created his own system which uh to to this day still exists as its own system philema yeah yeah which just means will mm-hmm and he thought he was all about imposing your will and that ultimately now where he was right was he he believed that ultimately it wasn't about your will it was about thine will be yours ultimately it wasn't about your will it was about thine will be yours ultimately it wasn't about your will it was about thine will be yours be done right the will of the Christos the universal consciousness but he didn't frame it that way he he it became more about imposing your personal will hedonistic will hedonistic will and the uh and the these he set up these he took these gnostic myths and these alchemical ideas he perverted them whether he probably unknowingly because he didn't understand the true processes and the true myth uh created a sex magic cult and uh that's what it exists to to this day so he's not Crowley isn't recognized officially within Freemasonry because he was a clandestine Freemason yet there are some Freemasons who have involved themselves in the Lima and value the works of Crowley Crowley was a good composer of or compiler of esoteric information from my perspective he just didn't understand it properly and uh and uh from anybody who's done a deep study of even even his book of the law which is now held up as a thelemic Bible when Crowley first wrote that he didn't he didn't even think it was that special he put it aside and basically put it in a closet for years and then years later found it again and was like oh this would make a good Bible for for the thelemic system so i mean it's not like it was that much of a revelation to him when he first made it and there's a lot of followers of crawley and thelema that are gonna really hate me for saying all this but um that's that's really the the system there and so he i look at him as a misinformed freemason who was into magic uh and who whose ego you know he tried to he tried to take over the golden dawn uh william butler yates was one of the people who kept him from taking over the golden dawn uh then he tried to take over amork it's an ancient mystical order rosicrucius um back in the 30s and they wouldn't let him take over that and so but then he was able to take over and create his own system of the oto you know after theater rose royce died but it was his own system it was very different from the original system of the oto right that makes sense okay the last thing i want to ask you because you have a flight to catch shortly oh yeah yeah well how does this worldview and ultimately what is the templar perspective what does it have to do with the temple our perspective what does it have to do with the temple our perspective what does it have to say about aliens or sure these types of like ufo sightings or things like that like what is what is the position there uh templars have been studying ufos for since the beginning uh one of the texts that the templar order found was the book of enoch which describes a ufo encounter but uh in fact uh in in germany there's a there's a painting that was commissioned by frederick the duke of utenberg who was the grandmaster of the templar order in germany that the rosicrucian order came out of and this painting still exists and it shows all of the understanding from the neometria this this book that described the kabbalistic gnostic and alchemical knowledge that the templars had brought but it also shows ufos flying discs in the sky with with uh angels pushing these these flying discs in the sky well that's from that was from 1598 so i mean that's how long the templar order been looking at it there's other templars like um nicholas rorick who was the one who told franklin delano roosevelt to put the great seal on the one dollar bill he was a russian mystic and he had done excavations or uh well he'd done studies in asia in particular uh afghanistan into india even into tibet long before most people this was back in the early 1930s uh he warned of the not c movement he's the one who helped uh henry wallace who was uh fdr's vice president and prior to that he was secretary of agriculture he gave him mongolian planning techniques to help stop the dust bowl here in the americas but he had learned of those in his travels in asia and there's a nicholas rorick museum actually here in new york uh but he had learned of those in his travels in asia and there's a nicholas rorick museum but nicholas rorick uh in uh his early writings describes seeing flying discs in asia and the the natives referred to him as the um the flying ships of solomon which is interesting uh there there is There's an Ethiopian text known as the Kebra Nagas, which also talks about King Solomon's flying ship, which was powered off a mana. But Nicholas Rourke writes about seeing these flying disks in Asia, and they were called the Ships of Solomon. And it was even believed that the mesas, there are certain mesas in Asia that were known as the Thrones of Solomon. And that these mesas were where King Solomon would land his airships, which were these flying disks. So this was something, and Rourke was a Templar. And so these are something the Templar order has been studying for long before Kenneth Arnold ever talked about UFOs. Now, unfortunately, it's also something that the Nazis were studying. And that's part of why they were trying to create what was known as their Bell program. The D-Glocka? D-Glocka, yeah, which was this flying craft that may have also been a time-traveling device. Once you understand that there is no real time, and that time and space are malleable, these crafts could be popping in and out of time and space. In fact, Templar, the word Templar comes from Templi, which means time. It's the markage of time. Monuments were created to mark time and space. Sion, or Scion, means place. If you ever heard of the Priory of Sion, it's the Priory of Place. Just as the Templar order is the marking of time. So marking time and place is what ancient monuments or even modern monuments do when we make time capsules. Or oftentimes there's cornerstones on buildings that are laid by freemasons. And that they're time capsules that are in them, marking time and place. So these UFOs are really higher-dimensional craft that come in and out of time and place. And it's all about marking time and place. And creating a craft that can. Navigate to time and place. And so it's our belief that these craft are not only interdimensional beings, the craft are interdimensional. We have no problem with the idea that they could come from other star systems, like Orion, as suggested in the. All of the ancient traditions around the world. And alluded to in the New Atlantis by Francis Bacon. With the flying craft that gave the technology to humanity. Can they crash? They can crash, sure. Yeah, I mean. It's our understanding that what they are is they're a craft that has an electromagnetic energy bottle, a plasma bottle around. That is vibrating or spinning at it really fast. Which can allow the craft inside to become invisible to the naked eye. Because the field around it is spinning so fast that it causes the light to bend around it. So you don't see it. Or you see it as a distortion, some of a distortion. Or you just see it as the plasma energy around it. But that it's. These are. Beings like ourselves. Maybe some of them from the past. Maybe some of them from other star systems. That come here to help try to direct humanity. Even the original Archon. Maybe was one of these beings. Certainly the gods described in ancient myths were probably these beings. And that. We. They originally created humanity, according to some myths, to mine gold. To other myths, we were created to become gardeners or custodians of this planet. And to take care of the animals that were brought here. With the idea that maybe some of our animals were brought here from other planets. And that this is like a big zoo. And it's our job to tend to it and to take care of it. And we're not doing a very good job. Yeah. And that's part of why they're showing up again right now. Maybe to help remind us of. You know, who we really are and where we come from. And where we're going. And that. As we evolve in our technology and we evolve in our spiritual understanding. We can enter into a galactic community of others. But we need to prove ourselves first. And we're not doing a very good job of that. Right. Because we can't even get along with each other. So why should we be allowed to go into space where there could be other interdimensional beings? You know, traveling and working with each other. You know, we're busy threatening each other down here with nuclear. Nuclear. And, you know, blowing each other up. And they're not going to allow that in space. Yeah. So. Well, Tim, thank you so much. I really appreciate the time. This is, you're giving me a lot to think about and a lot to research as a growing up as a Catholic. And as a Catholic now, the sort of the idea of Gnosticism is difficult for me to like jump into. Yeah. But I find the perspective fascinating and I think a lot of the tenants of like oneness and some type of undergirding consciousness to be really palatable and, I don't know, something that I'm going to think about a lot more. Well, you know, Roman Catholicism has a lot of beautiful things, aspects to it. And even Catholic, what does Catholic mean? It means universal. Mm-hmm. Right. And I will tell you, you know, the stages of alchemy from an alchemical standpoint, they go through three. Three different color changes, black, red, and then white. And it repeats this several times, but these are the main color, the reason why these were the colors of ancient Egypt. These were the colors of Atlantis. But they're also the reason why within the Roman church, what does the priest wear? Black. What do the cardinals wear? Red. What does the Pope wear? White. Hmm. Right? And there are allusions to these alchemical processes, even within Ash Wednesday, for example, where they burn the palms from Palm Sunday to ashes. And then what do they do with it? Anoint it on the forehead. Anoint it on the third eye, the nazar. So it makes you a Nazarean. It makes your third eye open. The salts from the ashes. Is the mana. And that's what opens that third eye. So the illusions are there. The church may have forgotten, you know, where it comes from, but it's all there. And it's just, it's become, the church itself has become a control mechanism. And it's by having you believe that there's original sin. Right. That you're born into this world already defected. And that only they can control your salvation of how to get out of this world. And the difference between Gnosticism and the church is only that the church, the Gnostics don't believe in original sin. You're already born here with a spark of God within you. It's just been buried through all kinds of psychological. damage and it's in the control system of this world and once we learn to see past all that that's where gnosis comes from in gnosis or that divine knowledge is the salvation and that jesus being born again or the whole idea of being born again is just reincarnation and that uh when jesus was speaking as an exemplar he was speaking as the universal consciousness which is something we can all access i see so you don't need a priest to get there so one has become a kind of a control mechanism the other is recognizing the inherent divinity already within us and uh that's the only difference but the church still has and i say the roman church still has very lots of beautiful symbolism in it it's all there it's just been forgot i mean where it showed me where ash wednesday is in the bible right it's not there but it's a beautiful right within the roman church it's because there have been alchemists and there have been gnostic leaders within the roman church at different times who have influenced in ways it's uh symbolism and it's ritual even if the church itself has forgotten its origins in that regard i see i'm gonna leave it to jesus christ all right i'm just gonna keep on following him yeah we're gonna see where that takes me that's the way to go tim thank you so much brother i really appreciate it thank you let's do this again soon all right sounds great hey guys if you love conspiracies and hypothetical history well i want to invite you to check out signal 33 this is a companion pod to our podcast here at camp it's made and edited by the same team that runs all of our shows and i choose the topics every single week so check it out subscribe and start the dialogue in the comment section endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at at netflix.com/house.