Knights Templar’s Secret History And Search For Atlantis
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The Knights Templar were far more than a medieval military order—they were a secret society with deep roots in Gnostic, alchemical, and spiritual traditions. According to Tim Hogan, their origin predates the Crusades, emerging from Gnostic Christian and Eastern Orthodox beliefs, including those of the Cathars and the Joannite tradition. The Templars sought forbidden knowledge, including lost technologies and sacred texts, such as the Ark of the Covenant and Atlantean relics. They believed in a pre-flood civilization with advanced science, including static-capacitor devices and alchemical "mana" that could heal and generate energy. These beliefs were preserved through secret rituals, shared across cultures—from Egypt and the Mayans to indigenous tribes in North America. Despite being suppressed by the Pope in 1307 due to political and religious pressure, the Templars allegedly went underground, spreading their influence through new settlements in Portugal, Scotland, and the Americas. Evidence such as the Kensington Runestone, native flags, and artifacts with Templar symbols suggests a lasting legacy. The narrative reveals a hidden tradition that redefined humanity’s past as one of ancient wisdom, spiritual enlightenment, and cross-cultural knowledge exchange—challenging mainstream historical views. The episode concludes with a blend of history, mysticism, and conspiracy, inviting audiences to reconsider what history has erased.
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For centuries, the Knights Templar have existed between history and legend.
These so-called warrior monks accused of heresy, guardians of forbidden knowledge, and custodians of a treasure that vanished without a trace.
But according to Tim Hogan, the true Templar mission began long before the history books suggest.
It was a search for the remnants of a forgotten civilization and the sacred technology it left behind.
From secret excavations beneath the Temple Mount, to evidence of voyages across the Atlantic,
from the mysteries of the ancient Egyptian pyramids,
to Atlantis, alchemy, and the Ark of the Covenant,
this episode literally has it all.
This is the story of a hidden tradition, a secret society.
One that claims humanity's past is far older, far stranger, and far more advanced than we have been told.
So, if you are interested in secret societies, the Knights Templar, and history that may have been erased,
well, this is the episode for you.
So, sit back, relax, and welcome to camp.
Tim Hogan, how are you?
Great. Thanks for having me, Mark.
Thank you so much for joining me in the tent.
I am so excited to chat with you.
Your area of expertise, the books you've authored, the podcast episodes you've done,
all tap on the things that I love to talk about.
Well, I love to talk about them too, so we should have a good conversation.
It's going to be awesome.
I mean, I imagine today we're going to jump through, you know, Freemasonry, the Knights Templar,
secret societies, theosophy, ancient technology, Nikola Tesla, the pyramids, Stonehenge maybe.
Yeah, we could hit on it all.
Everything under the sun.
I am so excited.
I am always just titillated by secret teachings.
Yeah.
And lost information, and you are a plethora of that type of knowledge.
Yeah, I'm the storehouse of it, so.
So, can you just tell us, what is the Knights Templar, and what is your association with them?
Sure.
So, I'm the 33rd Grand Master since Jacques de Molay of the Knights Templar.
And we'll talk about who Jacques de Molay was in a minute.
But basically, the Templars, they were an organization that was secretly started as early as 1096.
When some French families got together, they had all come from largely Gnostic backgrounds.
Many of them came out of the Albigensian tradition out of Southern France, also known as the Cathars.
The Cathars were a Gnostic group who had a different form of Christianity, shall we say, than traditional Christianity,
in which they believed that anybody through their own efforts could attain a gnosis or divine knowledge, a revelatory knowledge.
And you didn't need a priest to do it.
And that's what Jesus really came here to do, was to help people attain this enlightenment, this enlightened state.
And it was believed that you had to attain this enlightened state before you died.
Otherwise, you would reincarnate and have to keep going until you got it.
Right.
So, anyhow, this was kind of the background.
So, these Gnostic families, out of these Gnostic families, by the way, they also referred to themselves as the poor of Christ.
And this is part of the reason why the Templars later referred to themselves as the poor knights of Christ.
And they adopted the same red equal-armed cross from the Cathars.
The one that you have on your jacket here.
Correct, yeah.
I mean, it's a slightly different version, but the same equal arm.
It was equal-armed, and it was a red cross.
Now, standard historians will say the Templar order didn't start until 1118.
And this is because what happened was, as the Templars formed officially, they formed in Constantinople in 1096.
Hugh de Payne and Godfrey de Saint-Omar went down into Constantinople.
They were initiated by an organization.
They were an organization known as the Brothers of the East that were also passing on another Gnostic tradition that was known as the Johannite tradition.
It was a tradition that viewed the Johns of the Bible as passing on secret information.
And that the leaders of this tradition assumed the name of John.
Yeah.
Yeah.
John the Evangelist, you know, all the way up until 1096.
There was a guy by the name of Michael Silos, who was a very famous scholar at the time, particularly within the Eastern Church.
And he was passing on this secret information along with a guy by the name of Theoclete.
And they initiated Hugh de Payne and Godfrey de Saint-Omar.
Hugh de Payne and Godfrey de Saint-Omar gave them a mission to start the Templar order.
The Templars, they went down into Jerusalem, specifically because they were looking for lost documents, lost technology, and also to try to preserve things that they knew, artifacts that they knew were down there.
The Templars of the East.
The brothers of the East that had been preserving these traditions, they wanted to make sure they didn't.
You have to keep in mind at the time the Crusades had just started.
And there was a fear that as the Crusaders went down into Jerusalem that they were going to either destroy unwittingly.
Or capture certain artifacts and turn them over to the Roman Church.
And nobody wanted that to happen.
So that's part of the reason why the Templar order was founded.
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The mainstream story with the Templars is that they were kind of protecting pilgrims as they traveled from Europe to Jerusalem.
Right.
So this was the cover story, really.
So as the Templars got into Jerusalem by 1118, they were granted an area known as King Solomon's Stables that was under the Temple Mount or near the Temple Mount.
It's right near the Temple Mount.
And from there, they set up a headquarters.
And the official story was that they were created to help protect pilgrims that were making their way to Jerusalem at the time.
It was very, it was dangerous to travel from Europe to Jerusalem.
And the odds of being robbed were pretty high.
So the Templar order would not only give people safe passage from Europe into the Holy Land.
On their boats and by land.
But they also set up the first banking system where people could deposit their money in, let's say, a Templar commandery in Paris.
And then when they arrived in the Holy Land, they could retrieve their money that they needed.
And this way they didn't get robbed on the way.
So this was the official cover.
But what it did is it accomplished two things.
On the one hand, it allowed, you know, a good cover for the Templar order.
And in fact, for the first eight years, the Templar order didn't do much of any of that.
I mean, they did a little bit of it, but what they were primarily doing was digging under the Temple Mount.
Right.
Because how many knights were there in the early days?
Originally, well, originally there were nine Templars.
And for the first, really the first nine years, that's all there was, was nine people.
I mean, nine guys trying to protect this super long route to Jerusalem seems unrealistic.
Yeah, and any pilgrims that came to the Holy Land.
I mean, even that's ridiculous, just nine people.
I mean, but then after that, they were, in fact, moving people.
By setting up this banking system, which is, by the way, the same banking system we pretty much use today,
but it was invented by the Templar order, and they would, of course, they would do this for a small fee, which is,
you know, part of how the Templar Order started to make its money.
But it also started to get money out of the hands of the monarchs and the church.
And keep it in the hands of the people at the time, which was a huge thing.
I mean, it was a shift of power by doing that.
They got extraordinarily wealthy.
And, yeah, the Templar Order got extraordinarily wealthy as a result of it,
which allowed them to build up their fleets of ships,
to buy property for farming, to get their own food.
And it allowed them to also fuel resources to start to build, like, the Gothic cathedrals of France, quite frankly.
They were.
They were the initial funders of that.
Right.
It started out, they would build their own commanderies at different places around Europe.
And then from there, it spread out.
They started building cathedrals.
And as the story goes, this goes on for maybe a couple hundred years until the Pope eventually shuts them down on the grounds of heresy.
Right.
So part of what happened, too, during this time was the Templars, they protected pilgrims.
They protected the pilgrims in the Holy Land, but they protected all pilgrims, which also included Jewish people.
If they wanted to worship there, the Templars protected them.
They protected Muslims, the Muslim right to worship.
If there were pilgrims in the Holy Land that were Muslim that wanted to worship at a site, the Templars would protect their right to do it.
They protected the sacred regardless of its source.
And part of this was, again, because they had this secret Gnostic beginning in which they recognized the divinity within all people and all religions.
They saw that every religion was probably started by someone who had a Gnostic experience or a divine revelation.
And the Templars saw that as coming from God, so they would protect it.
So they had no problem getting along with.
People of all faiths, they would get dragged into fighting sometimes when there were Muslim attacks primarily.
But even Salah ad-Din, who was the head of the Islamic armies, he had been initiated into the Templar order at one point in time.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So they, you know.
Salah ad-Din, like the great Seljuk Turkic commander?
Correct, yeah.
He had, there was a, in fact, there was a book from the Middle Ages known as the, it was called the History of the Crusades at the time.
But it was, you know, written clear back in the 11, well, it was about 1200.
But it talks about Salah ad-Din's initiation into the Templar order.
So they had a following.
They had a following out later, but they always had a respect for each other.
And whenever the Templars got dragged into fighting, it was because they were kind of forced to.
Because one of the other things that happened was very early on, they received their rule or their.
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Their guidance, it's like their book of conduct.
Their constitution from St. Bernard of Clairvaux, who was a very famous personality within the Roman church at the time.
And with this, there was also patronage from the Roman church initially.
So the Templars were also, through St. Bernard of Clairvaux, they were somewhat connected to the Cistercian.
Order, which was a Roman Catholic order.
And so they would find documents and things that needed to be translated.
Oftentimes, those would go to the Cistercians in order to translate and make available to the Roman church.
So now St. Bernard of Clairvaux himself was secretly a practicing Druid.
Mm-hmm.
And he.
He also was friends with Rashi of Troyes, who was a very famous Jewish Kabbalist.
And so all these things had influence on the formation of the early Templar order.
And so the Templars had this Gnostic connection.
They had a Druid connection through St. Bernard of Clairvaux.
They had a Jewish Kabbalist tradition through Rashi of Troyes.
And they had the Joannite connection in Constantinople.
And they had an Eastern Orthodox connection through their time in Constantinople.
And then they had this Roman Catholic patronage.
So, I mean, it was a real mixed fusion of ideas.
Um, and, uh.
But because there, there was this connection with the Roman church, um, very early on, uh,
there was kind of a deal that was set up early on that the Templars didn't have to answer to anybody but the Pope.
Mm-hmm.
So this gave them much freedom to not only meet with other cultures, uh, and explore ideas, uh,
but also look for.
Secretly, technology, which they believe existed from a pre-Diluvian civilization.
And it also allowed them to find documents and, um, early sacred scriptures and texts.
Mm-hmm.
That weren't public at the time and weren't published by the Roman church.
Or the Eastern Orthodox church, for that matter.
And I think this goes without saying, but do you believe that they found this?
This type of technology?
Yeah.
Yes.
Uh, they found, according to our records, uh, there were six arcs that were found.
Um, first of all, which were like the Ark of the Covenant.
Uh, and they were found in primarily, uh, in areas between Egypt and Lebanon.
Um, and, uh.
That was one of the main technologies that was found.
And that was believed to be an ancient Atlantean technology.
Right.
And, uh, we can talk about that some.
Right.
But, uh.
I want to jump into that.
But, and before we go there, I just want to know the dilution, I guess, of the Templars
and ultimately what happens to them with Jacques de Molay.
Yeah.
So by 1307, uh, the, um, there's a, uh, basically.
Basically the, the King of France, uh, owed a bunch of money to the Templar order.
He had been borrowing money from the Templar order and he owed the money.
He knew they had a lot of money.
He wanted to set himself up as the new war King and, uh, and, uh, in order to do that,
he needed money and he was out of money, but he knew that the Templars had a bunch because
he had borrowed a bunch of money from them previously.
Uh, the, the Pope at the time, Pope Clement the fifth, he wanted the Templar order.
He, he felt that the Templar order had become too independent.
He wanted them to merge with the Knights Hospitalia at the time, which was, uh, uh, a different
crusading order.
They were also known as the St. John the Hospitalia is, was their names.
They've since, they later changed their names to the Knights of Malta.
Uh, and they still exist technically, uh, on Malta actually as their headquarters.
And why did he want them to merge?
Were the, were the, these Knights a little bit more, uh, I guess, tied to the church?
A hundred percent.
That's why.
Yeah.
They, he had more control over them.
And if they, if they merged, then, uh, he would assume the Templar, uh, buildings and,
and, uh, would, uh.
Would be able to put them under more control, uh, Jack de Malay, who was the grand master
templars at the time he didn't want to have anything to do with that he liked the independence
the templar order had and the templar mission remained the same they were still looking for
artifacts uh they knew the dangers of turning that over to the church because it would just
disappear they'd already turned certain things over to the church and saw how it would just
disappear and and uh not be seen again and he was accustomed to um the independence i mean
one of the things that he had turned over to jewish communities in spain that the templar
order had found were early remnants of early fragments of what was to become known as the zohar
right which was a kabbalistic text so that the templar order this is according to traditional
jewish sources
uh the templar order had found these fragments in clay jars much like um
the dead sea scrolls or the nagshamundi library
they had found remnants of the zohar in these clay jars and they rather than keeping them for
themselves they they turned it over to jewish communities in spain which later translated and
in fact the
the first people who published the zohar in spain also published the book parsifal
by wolfram von eschenbach which talks about the templars being the guardians of the holy grail
so and that was in the 1200s so uh by 1307 uh
the pope was already familiar with the idea that uh the temple order was finding things that he
that they weren't turning over to the roman church they were not turning over to the roman church
by 1307 uh the pope was already familiar with the idea that uh the templar order was finding things
that he that they weren't turning over to the roman church and that they weren't turning over to the
roman church and that they weren't turning over to the roman church and that they weren't turning
over to the roman church and that they weren't turning over to the roman church and that they weren't
turning over to the roman church and that they weren't turning over to the roman church and
that they weren't turning over to the roman church and that they weren't turning over to the roman church
so he wanted more control so pope clement vi and um and uh the king of france uh this
went into a conspiracy they uh to to suppress the temple order by september 1307 they'd issued
arrest or warrants throughout france basically
arrest or warrants throughout france basically
arrest or warrants throughout france basically saying on october 13th
saying on october 13th
saying on october 13th the templar order was to be rounded up
the templar order was to be rounded up
the templar order was to be rounded up and uh turned over
and uh turned over
and uh turned over to the king of france um
to the king of france um
to the king of france um and uh and then there would be arrest
and uh and then there would be arrest
and uh and then there would be arrest orders all throughout europe after that
orders all throughout europe after that
orders all throughout europe after that well
well
well the temple order had spies
the temple order had spies
the temple order had spies you know they knew what was going on
you know they knew what was going on
you know they knew what was going on they they they got a hold of this
they they they got a hold of this
they they they got a hold of this information ahead of time
information ahead of time
information ahead of time and so by october 13th 1307 when the
and so by october 13th 1307 when the
and so by october 13th 1307 when the arrest was supposed to take place
arrest was supposed to take place
arrest was supposed to take place the templar order had already known
the templar order had already known
the templar order had already known ahead of time that this was going to
ahead of time that this was going to
ahead of time that this was going to happen
happen
happen they had
they had
they had jack de malaise had stayed behind
jack de malaise had stayed behind
jack de malaise had stayed behind along with a few thousand
along with a few thousand
along with a few thousand people to make it appear as business as
people to make it appear as business as
people to make it appear as business as usual
usual
usual but most the templars had actually fled
but most the templars had actually fled
but most the templars had actually fled france by that point and had brought
france by that point and had brought
france by that point and had brought all the treasures as well as everything
all the treasures as well as everything
all the treasures as well as everything that was in their
that was in their
that was in their treasure house and in the french
treasure house and in the french
treasure house and in the french commandery
commandery
commandery with them
with them
with them they had loaded them on ships at la
they had loaded them on ships at la
they had loaded them on ships at la rochelle
rochelle
rochelle and the entire fleet of templar ships
and the entire fleet of templar ships
and the entire fleet of templar ships had taken off the night before the
had taken off the night before the
had taken off the night before the arrests
arrests
arrests so when the arrest orders came about on
so when the arrest orders came about on
so when the arrest orders came about on friday october 13 1307 which was the
friday october 13 1307 which was the
friday october 13 1307 which was the origin of friday the 13th being an
origin of friday the 13th being an
origin of friday the 13th being an unlucky day
unlucky day
unlucky day uh
uh
uh the king of france wasn't able to get
the king of france wasn't able to get
the king of france wasn't able to get anything
anything
everything had been moved and and uh
everything had been moved and and uh
everything had been moved and and uh removed the night before
removed the night before
removed the night before on those ships and the ships disappeared
on those ships and the ships disappeared
on those ships and the ships disappeared to history
to history
to history people want to know you know i was always
people want to know you know i was always
people want to know you know i was always wondering what happened to them i'm
wondering what happened to them i'm
wondering what happened to them i'm sure you have many theories as to what
sure you have many theories as to what
sure you have many theories as to what happened to them yes yeah yeah we could
happened to them yes yeah yeah we could
happened to them yes yeah yeah we could get to that so anyhow jagdi malay was
get to that so anyhow jagdi malay was
get to that so anyhow jagdi malay was then rounded up along with these other
then rounded up along with these other
then rounded up along with these other templars
templars
templars they were imprisoned and tortured for
they were imprisoned and tortured for
they were imprisoned and tortured for seven years
seven years
seven years uh made to confess all kinds of false
uh made to confess all kinds of false
uh made to confess all kinds of false confessions like worshiping the severed
confessions like worshiping the severed
confessions like worshiping the severed head of muhammad yeah yeah worship well
head of muhammad yeah yeah worship well
head of muhammad yeah yeah worship well they worshipped a severed head was what
they worshipped a severed head was what
they worshipped a severed head was what they were accused of they were accused of
they were accused of they were accused of
uh yeah worshiping something called the baphomet right and then they uh as well as um having
initiation ceremonies where they spit on the cross and the crucifix uh the uh and uh a bunch of other
stuff i've heard that the translation that was used was muhammad and that perhaps that that was
the sort of creation of baphomet yeah so there's there's a couple there's a couple theories
associated with that um one was that there was a cipher code called the atbash cipher
which involves the hebrew language and if you it's basically you take the first half of the hebrew
language uh and then you take the second half of the hebrew language and you put it underneath
the first half
and you can replace out the top letter for the bottom letter and when you do that
baphomet becomes sophia and sophia was actually the goddess of wisdom within the gnostic tradition
and she was the the she was also said to be the mother of abraxis the creator of the demiurge
correct and abraxis was uh said to be an archon under the
demiurge who had uh at first he was working at enslaving people
and then he attained gnosis himself or divine knowledge uh after which he worked to try to
liberate him and uh keep people from being enslaved interesting well one of the templar seals actually
uh which you can find on their old documents was the figure of abraxis so we know
you know this is part of how we know they were secretly passing on this gnostic tradition
so that's interesting i guess the the mainstream story would say that the
church is perhaps trumping up these charges in order to take down the templars and sort of making
up these things such as like these occult traditions and sort of heretical beliefs and
spitting on the cross and things like that but and so my understanding kind of going off the
mainstream is like oh this was uh more or less trumped up or fake but then your perspective is
because they're taking on this gnostic tradition yeah perhaps there was from the church's
perspective some heretical beliefs that were valid yeah to the to the church it was heretical to the
i mean and and they may have exaggerated things a bit like for example the templars
and in that gnostic tradition they wouldn't have venerated the cross as a symbol because um
uh from a gnostic perspective i mean uh uh it was the cross was just a symbol for matter
and it was about the whole crucifixion was symbolic they didn't even believe it was real but
would they have desecrated the cross would that have been in there they wouldn't necessarily
desecrated it uh i mean one theory is if they had been captured by islamic forces they would
have been forced to disavow the cross which may have involved stomping on it or or spitting on it
and so the templars in order to train people for being captured
uh potentially by the enemy may have made them do this you know understanding that
look the cross isn't really we're not really worshiping the cross anyways you know i mean
it's just a symbol and uh we don't even believe that the cross that jesus really died on the cross
it was a metaphor uh or an initiation right which was done in the ancient world and
not unlike the initiation rights that the templars themselves were doing i see so it was uh when the
when the roman church got a hold of that they they said oh look they're they're um
you know they're denying jesus which which just wasn't the case it was they just viewed jesus as
a great exemplar and they just viewed jesus as a great exemplar and they just viewed jesus as a great exemplar
as opposed to it as uh just the savior i see what i mean what would you say the templars believed
about the crucifixion do you think that they believe that jesus never died yeah well they
believe he died eventually but they don't believe he died on the cross in fact the word the greek
word that's usually translated as resurrection is uh is anastasis and anastasis is the opposite of
stasis so stasis means to sleep anastasis means to wake up
up and so the templars interpreted that as he was waking up to gnosis to divine knowledge and that
he didn't really die and then was raised like a zombie um they do believe that jesus taught
that we don't really die that uh we either reincarnate or we um we continue to live on
into a uh in the pleroma in a in a in a higher state that um uh that uh
um and that he came here to to show that we don't really die i see um but they also believe that uh
the symbolism of the crucifixion can be found pre-jesus i mean it was uh the whole idea of
dying and
waking up can be found in the osirian myths the old rites of osiris in egypt they are found in
mithraic rites they are found in um there were like 16 different messiahs prior to jesus that
all died and uh had come back and uh the templars had been exposed to this so that and they
interpreted it all as a metaphor
for that matter in um hebrew itself the last letter of the hebrew alphabet the 27th hebrew
has 22 letters the last letter of the hebrew alphabet is the letter tav and tav means cross
and it's composed of three of the hebrew letter vow and vow means nail so at the end of the hebrew
alphabet you literally have a cross and three nails uh and that in hebrew has been around for
and that symbolism has been around for long before jesus was ever around right so these were things
that pointed to and for that matter vow the hebrew letter vow has a number value of six
so if if jesus was crucified with three nails or three vow the hebrew the hebrew letter vow
and vow has a number value of six he was crucified with six six six
which uh in the ancient number canon was the number of transformation uh it had nothing to do with
the devil uh it's why solomon received 666 talents of gold a year in exchange for bread
uh in hebrew if you replaced every letter for its number value let there be light
in hebrew adds up to 666
so again these were these were metaphors it was uh
they alluded to things i mean even jesus's name himself and in greek greek every letter
corresponds to a number in greek jesus adds up to 888 which was the number of gnosis of the
what was known as the agawad the the eighth sphere above the seven chakras
or the seven seals uh so these were all metaphors and the the templars had learned to
read the bible the new testament in particular uh according to these metaphors like greek
gematria greek gematria yeah and hebrew gematria that's what these these uh these numbers are
they allude to sacred geometry ideas and they allude to but they more importantly they allude
to our own personal consciousness transformation i see and so they they interpret them that way
and and so the the crucifixion and awakening of jesus to the templars just had to do with his
symbolic death to his old material self and his awakening to his true spiritual potential
or to gnosis i see yeah and
and and and as such the templars also saw
the roman church somewhat as a control mechanism as a
as a uh tool of what was known as the demiurge you know which was a
prison guard for this planet that kept people enslaved here until
uh they had attained gnosis or until they had proven that they you know were no longer bound
strictly by materialism right so these charges get brought to the knights templar and ultimately
they're sentenced to death correct yeah so jack de malay then is sentenced to be burnt to death
well burnt at the stake along with several other templars now to the roman church at this point this
is the end of the templar order because they reason that they helped make the templar order
you know they had originally given the templar order its rule they had provided funding for
the templar order uh they the temple order was answering to the pope for the most part
and and so they reasoned that being a roman catholic order this was the end of it
um now the templars their their rationale was no we've we existed before we received roman catholic
mandate and they continued to exist just underground at that point so at this point uh
after jack de malay was burnt at the stake the official narrative by the roman church which
became the official narrative of the public was that that was the official narrative of the public
public was that that was the end of the templar order now the templars on the other hand they
went underground and they continue to exist in a number of places uh certainly they existed somewhat
underground in italy and in france but they had boats that had um left uh again la rochelle the
night before the roundup in 1307 and they had gone to places like portugal where the templars
had already started to start a new templar state they helped found portugal which was really got
its name instead of port of the gauls it really got its name from port of the grail and uh
they had helped set up portugal so they had freedom there they just the king of portugal
just had them change their name in order to comply with the pope and so he could say that the
knights of christ of the temple of solomon no longer existed and now they were just noticed the
knights of christ so and the symbol of portugal to this day is the red cross correct yeah exactly and
you know part of the reason why portugal owns the azores for example
is because the azores was one of the places that the templars believed uh atlantis had been
you know so it's part of the reason why that got acquired by portugal um the templars also fled up
into uh scotland at the time robert the bruce was fighting england uh he had already been
excommunicated by the roman church and so he had no problem taking in other excommunicated
templars especially because they were known for their fighting in their uh
during their time in the holy land so he was happy to take them in
they according to tradition they helped fight the scottish war of independence
against the british um the story is that the scots were fighting the english they were
at a key point in the battle all sudden over the hill came templars and the english immediately
recognized them and they were all over the hill and the english immediately recognized them
uh they turned and fled and this is what led to the scots winning their independence
the templars had always believed in trying to set up a free templar state
in which people had freedoms uh the earliest um document pointing to this was
uh in parsifal actually wolfram von eschenbach's parsifal where it says
if any templar become becomes ruler of a foreign people let him ensure that they
are given their god-given rights those are the first time in history that anyone had ever heard
of god-given rights i mean prior to this it was believed that your rights either came from
the king or from the monarch or yeah from the monarch or from the pope so this idea that people
are born with god-given rights was a templar ideal that they strive for and they were trying
to create within europe and so the scottish war of independence was an expression of this prior to
this the templars had been involved in helping to instate the magna carta right william marshall
right with william marshall in england and and to again to give people rights uh you know outside
of the king and outside of the pope um and the templars largely lived this way you know already
having these rights they wanted to bring it to the people um the templars had also been secretly
traveling around the world and they had been traveling around the world for a long time
traveling around the world for a long time
over to the new world of the americas at the time they had been trading silver with the mayans
and with other tribes and what year would this have been uh as early as 1200
in fact by by 1300 they had mapped all of north america and had traveled as far south as panama
and how do we know this well there are templar records pointing to it there are templar
landmarks all throughout north america pointing to this uh one of the landmarks is the kensington
runestone that uh scott walter talks about uh and which was placed right in the center of north
america as a land claim for the templars the kensington runestone yeah it's a it's a runestone
it's a it's a it's a it's a tablet that's written in runes that for a long time people thought might
be like a viking artifact uh scott walter went and improved that it was actually a templar artifact
that was written in runes and it was coded in many ways yeah that's it and it it was it was
for a long time they thought it was a forgery it's since been proved to be
legitimate
uh but this was a land claim for north america by the templars um and where was this found
minnesota wow yeah kensington minnesota and what is the official dating on this
uh well it's from third well if the official date now thanks to scott is uh it was it was
made sometime around 1360 so it'd be right after the templars were suppressed but while they were
underground
and they were still over here in the americas doing work and meeting with the tribes uh tribes
like the mcma tribe by the way which uh is in nova scotia uh one of the hallmarks of the
connection between the templars and the mcma tribe is the mcma have a have a a flag that they
use and the flag is actually identical to the old templar battle flag the mcma tribe yeah mcma
tribe yeah so uh that's that's one of the tribes that they were meeting with um there's uh there's
also figurines like there's a there's a carved figure it's called the baffin island figurine and
it's a it's a wooden figure that's from about 1200 that was carved by native tribes but it's a
it's a figurine of a knight templar even has a cross on the back of it and it's a figurine of a
on the on the on the uh chest and it's wearing a traditional chain mail wife and it's you can find
it at the museum in baffin island for example baffin island yeah where's that and it dates
it's up in nova scotia region there it is wow so there's a templar you know that was carved by the
native tribes in 1200 yeah 1200 is it's that's what it's carbon dated to see the cross there
on the chest yeah exactly yep he's wearing a traditional templar tunic and wow yeah so the the
you know the natives they encountered they were encountering templars and they were working with
them and can you find the mcma flag i mean that's fast oh yeah you could be able to find that type
in mcma i think it's spelled like m-i-q-m-a-h and they're in nova scotia as well nova scotia yeah
and templar you'll be able i'm sure you'll be able to find the two now what years yeah there we go
that's it right there so there's there's the mcma flag which was the old templar battle flag
right so and the idea is that in in what year were they using this flag roughly
well the mcma say that goes all the way you know back to that same time period 1200 yeah yeah and
they have their own myths of meeting with the templars at that time
and you have this iconic red cross right which right seems obviously christian right the
conventional story here is that christopher columbus wouldn't have come to america until
late 1400 late 1400s yeah so and these these these are things that go back uh you know
much earlier and especially with that star and the moon those are those are traditional
templar symbols you'll find that on old landmarkers that the
templars were putting all over europe so so strange yeah well it's because the templars
were over here they were also meeting with the mayans uh declared down in yucatan to this day
the mayans uh will still put an equal armed cross on their altars uh specifically specifically
because of their connection and meeting with the templars um i lead tours down to the yucatan
uh and meet with the mayans all the time and uh according to traditional mayan history
and templar history uh you know the templars were
really the templars were trying to find the remnants of atlantis
they had encountered uh in egypt uh
uh references to the egyptians meeting with the mayans the ancient egyptians
uh because the egyptians were trying to find the their homeland of utlant
uh which was said to be an island uh in the atlantic and they're trying they were trying
to find the remnants of the people who had survived a cataclysm previously
and they had to find the remnants of the people who had survived a cataclysm previously
and they have recorded on certain temple walls their meetings with mayans
uh they even had had a queen maya who had been involved in egypt for a while some people believe
nefertiti may have been a mayan princess uh that had uh you know had been brought over into egypt
uh and uh in the valley of the queens to this day there's a
there's a queen maya tomb and it has mayan art in it uh on elephantine island in egypt there's a
there's a temple it's close to the public but it has images of egyptians meeting with mayans
with their traditional headdresses so the templars came across all that you know you're not going to
find that online you can't find that one uh but i could get you a picture of it yeah i would love to
see that but the um so the templars came across all this they knew there was probably land on the
other side of the atlantic and they found their way there through a number of sources
but they met with the mikma and they made their way down into the met with the mayans
the the templars had certain initiation ceremonies
that they had inherited in which they were given um
they would go through a symbolic death and raising ceremony
which they believed was the same thing jesus went through and the same thing
in fact they believe that the story of lazarus was such an initiation ceremony that it wasn't that
jesus wasn't actually raising lazarus from the dead that that lazarus represented the god osiris
symbolically back in in hebrew lazarus is is el asur well l in hebrew means god
and asur was the ancient egyptian name for the god osiris osiris is the greek name for for it but the
original egyptian name as this god is asur so el asur literally means the god osiris interesting so
jesus was symbolically raising the god osiris he was uh he was re-enacting
this initiation ceremony that the pharaohs went through
as they represented the god Osiris.
And Osiris himself was a metaphor for Utlant or Atlantis,
according to the Egyptian mythology.
Now, the Mayans were performing the same initiation rite.
And, in fact, they say they came from a homeland,
an island that sunk.
They went by the name of Atlan.
So you had the Egyptians talking about Utlant.
You had the Mayans talking about Atlan.
They were the same thing.
They were both talking about Atlantis,
which Plato referred to as Atlantis.
And the Templars, they found all this.
They did.
And they knew, they believed this was the land of Noah
prior to the flood.
Which land?
Atlantis.
Oh, I see.
Was the territory of Noah prior to the flood.
And so when the Egyptians talked about Utlant
and the Mayans talked about Atlant and Plato,
which the Egyptians. The Templars had come across the writings of Plato
through, there were Islamic translators at the time
that were, and there were Coptic, Ethiopian Coptic Christians
that were preserving documents.
And there were Druze groups that were preserving documents,
particularly Hermetic documents,
but the Templars came across all of this.
And they learned of Plato's Atlantis.
And they learned of the Egyptian Utlant.
And they learned. And so when they came across the Mayans,
one of the things they exchanged was certain hand grips
that they had received during their initiation ceremonies.
And these were recognized.
They were recognized by the Mayans,
just like they were recognized by the Mi'kmaq
and other tribes in North America.
And that the Mayans had this same initiation ceremony
where the candidate would be symbolically killed
and then brought back from the dead.
Well, this was something the Templars were performing,
what they had learned of from the Druze and other groups.
They went all the way back to ancient Egypt.
And so they got along fine with the Mayans.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That it was a very advanced civilization
where people could do things that they can't do anymore.
They looked to several different texts at the time. There was another book in Britain called
Prophecies of Merlin that had been published by Jeffrey of Monmouth, which he said came from
earlier Celtic documents that talked about all kinds of technologies like crystals that you
could hold in your hand that would allow you to talk with people on the other side of the ocean
flying devices and devices that could go underwater, allow you to go underwater. And, you know, these
were all alluded to. They believe that these came from a previous civilization. They were also,
they described things that you could look at that would allow you to see people on other parts of
the world, you know. Anyhow, it was believable.
I believe that these were a technology that had existed in the past, you know, that seemed as magic
at the time, but was believed to be technologies. And as the Templars, one of the things they
discovered in Egypt in particular were these arcs, these boxes that, that what they were is
these arcs were, were static capacitors. They would build up static from their environment
over a period of days or, uh, or over a month and then would, would store that static and then would
start to discharge it through the top, uh, where the winged figures were. And, uh, that seemed like
magic. Uh, you couldn't touch it without being electrocuted, right? Uh, and, and, uh, which, which
could kill you. So.
And these arcs, according to the biblical account, are made of acacia wood and gold.
Right. Alternating layers. Correct. Yeah. And they had within the mana. And this mana was a,
according to the Templar tradition, was a substance that was made alchemically.
So this was one of the other things that the Templars came across was the study of alchemy.
And alchemy was believed to be the science of the gods or the science of God.
And it was believed to be a science that had come from that pre-civilization of Atlantis.
Uh, and, uh, it wasn't just about transmuting base metals into gold. It was about taking,
uh, substances like gold and transmuting them into this mana substance, which was a white
that was said to not only when it was put in the arcs it was super conductive so it would cause
that power to build up even more but it was also a medicine and that when you ingested it it helped
raise consciousness and cure the body of illnesses and it was believed that when Moses burned the
golden calf into a powder and sprinkled it on the water and fed it to the wandering Hebrews that
that's what this was this was the mana and that when he wandered the desert and he was he would
in fact he was even believed that when Moses witnessed God as a burning bush
when you when you burn down certain plants in that region
particularly acacia and tamarisk you get ashes and out of those ashes you can extract well out
of acacia you can extract DMT mm-hmm which is a called the spirit molecule it's a it adds it
creates hallucinogenic properties mm-hmm
but you could also extract out of those ashes this this mana this this this this substance
that is it's platinum based but it it's in a mono atomic state so it it doesn't bind with anything
and it doesn't react to anything and so this is why it got the name mana which mana in Hebrew
actually just means what is it right and so if you have a substance that if you you try to burn
it it doesn't produce a color and you try to subject it to other chemicals and it doesn't
react then how then what is it how do you how do you know what it is mm-hmm right my understanding
of this is that it comes from like high school Bible studies that this this mana would come down
from heaven mm-hmm and it fed all the people and it really was just kind of like like a panacea in
a way and that the the wandering Israelites or the Hebrews at the time relied on it for
sustenance and it was of course within the Ark of the Covenant yeah so so it's almost like a bread
is kind of the way it was put in my mind exactly because it was cooked into bread but it was and it
was it was called mana from heaven because there's this stage where you take gold like if you take 24
karat gold you get to liquefy it first of all by turning it into a gold chloride which is just done
by mixing gold with certain acids right that you can derive from plants in the region of there's a
there's a plant that grows in the region of the region of there's a there's a plant that grows in
the region of there's a there's a plant that grows in the region of the region of there's a there's a plant that grows in
the region of the holy land that scientific name is dicta petalum and it breaks down things but you
could also extract this acid out of other things but you created what was what was known as a
vitriolic acid and from that vitriolic acid it eats gold and turns it into a gold chloride from
that gold chloride how chemically you can see that it's a gold chloride it's a gold chloride it's a
can do a certain process to it in which the gold appears to disappear it's like gone it's like it
looks like it's completely been dissolved and and there's nothing left what's really
happened is the gold has entered into a higher dimensional state and then from that higher
dimension you can bring it back and when you bring it back it comes back as in this monoatomic
state as this white powder and so it appears like you've offered gold up into heaven and that heaven
has given it to you back as mana i see so that's why it was mana from heaven what is it from heaven
it's this new substance
it's this new substance that's been given to you by god and it's been given to you by god and it's
that has come back from the higher dimensional state from heaven and from the templar tradition
it is just this sort of powderized gold it is that's correct and it's uh because each grain of
it is self-contained it's monoatomic the two um electrons in the outer valence ring enter into
what's known as a cooper pair this is the modern uh
uh
explanation of what's going on they enter into what's called a high spin state where the outer
valence ring becomes completely captured by the nucleus and it doesn't bind anymore like it
doesn't it no longer forms compounds it becomes contained within itself and because it's in this
high spin state it refracts light so it appears white as a white powder and uh
uh this powder is superconductive so if you put that superconductive substance in a capacitor
electrostatic capacitor like an arc it produces tremendous electricity at that point um also if
you ingest it it heals the body much like chemotherapy which is done with heavy metals
only because it's in this monoatomic state it doesn't poison the body it doesn't kill the body
like heavy metals do so it's uh it's it heals the body and it um and it produces it's superconductive
so it produces a tremendous amount of electricity when put in the static capacitor so they bake it
into a bread and then they eat it correct and you find this and they learned of this also not only
from the bible but it's depicted all over the temple walls of egypt
if you go to egypt all of the temples depict this they all depict arcs
because every temple at one point in time had an arc in its sanctum sanctorum
these arcs are always depicted on boats because these arcs were brought over on boats
from atlantis or from utlant as the egyptians refer to it as uh just like the
the egyptians also depict their needers or their gods as having come over on these boats
from utlant um they also believed that the gods or their the the the people who who established
egypt not only did they come from this island of utlant but originally it was believed that
these gods
had come from orion their orion nebula and so the sanctum sanctorums of all the egyptian
temples they all have the word if you look at the hieroglyphs on the doors
they have the word saba on them which just means stargate
so they talk about
how the gods came from orion through these stargates here to earth and that um
and by the way this is saba this word saba is where the word sheba comes from so when king
solomon would go visit the queen of sheba in ethiopia sheba was the same word as saba in
egyptian which just meant stargate
so she was the queen of the stargate
according to ethiopian texts like the kebra nagast
talks about king solomon's flying ship
where he would visit the queen of sheba and then go back to jerusalem he was visiting the queen of
the stargate in his flying ship right now what is the mainstream understanding of that story is that
this is a symbol for mainstream story is that sheba was just her name and that uh she was just uh
one of the lovers of queen of king solomon and um and that he would go and visit her
you know and at best or at a minimum i should say or at best uh king solomon was married to the queen
of sheba and uh he would just go visit her now the templar tradition does it believe that there was a
literal ship here was there some type of metaphorical now it believes that there was a
literal ship
and that the Egyptian walls talk about the founders of Egypt
having come over in these ships from Atlantis,
and that originally these came from Orion.
And this is why the god Osiris was depicted.
It was always associated with Orion.
And in fact, in the stories of Osiris,
his brother Set tricks him,
cuts him up into a bunch of pieces and throws him into the Nile.
And Isis then, who's. Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER.
Osiris's sister wife,
she recollects. his. pieces and puts them back together again
and then raises them from the dead.
And to the Templars and to the Egyptians,
this was a metaphor of many things.
One, it was a metaphor for the alchemical process
of how you need to chop up an herb
and you digest it in water
and then you distill it
and then you. and then you collect the oils
and then you can. and the salts
and you re-put them back together again
to bring it back to life in a new form.
So on the one hand, it was a metaphor for that.
But on the other hand, it was also a metaphor
for Atlantis itself,
which was broken up into pieces.
And the goal of civilization is to recollect those pieces,
to create the new Atlantis,
which is what the Templars were trying to do.
It's what the Egyptians were trying to do before them.
And so that's why they were sailing out,
trying to find the old colonies, shall we say, of Atlantis.
Bring them back together again.
- I see.
Now, the manna, or the manna, rather, that's. - Well, hang on, hang on real quick.
It's an important point.
This is also the reason why the pharaoh in ancient Egypt
was always depicted with this triangular apron,
'cause he was trying to look like
the constellation of Orion.
His body, between his body and the triangular apron,
he was trying to look like the star pattern of the. constellation of Orion,
which was believed everything originally came from.
And this is also why, on the temple walls,
you'll see the pharaohs always standing next to these arcs,
particularly in the Sanctum Sanctorum to the Holy of Holies
within all the temples of Egypt.
They're always standing next to one of these arcs.
They're offering the gods, usually Osiris,
but sometimes other gods, like the god of the temple,
whatever that temple was dedicated to.
You'll see the pharaoh offering a cone-shaped bread,
which is the manna, to the god,
while he's standing next to one of the arcs.
And he's holding a rod.
And these rods were grounding rods.
So if you put the rod in the ground,
and you dropped it against the arc,
it would discharge the electricity,
so then you could touch the arc.
But otherwise, you couldn't touch the arc,
because it was issuing electricity, and it would,
it would shock you to death.
And this is one of the,
and these temples were built,
they were also built with these,
what are called butterfly clamps,
connecting stones around the perimeter of the temples.
These, what these were is they would,
they would harness the electricity from the arc
that was within the temple.
And it would cause the whole temple
to just be full of static.
So anybody who was going into worship,
if they touched any of the statues or anything,
it would shock them.
You know, which seemed like magic, you know,
to the early Egyptians.
- Are we able to see any of the hieroglyphs
of the pharaohs near the arcs?
- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're all over, yeah, all over.
And I can send you pictures of them.
But like every temple in Egypt has them.
Every temple had an arc in their sanctum sanctorum.
And it's depicted on the temple walls.
But it's one of these things that the Templars understood,
because they found some of these arcs,
and they brought them back with them.
In fact, there's even at, I'll get you a picture of this,
but at,
for example, the Temple of Seti I at Abydos,
it's where the Templars found the first arc.
And there's a room that's close to the public right now
called the Umm Seti Room.
But in that room on the walls,
you'll see the pharaoh with an arc offering it to the gods.
And you'll see an arc on a boat.
And you'll also see Templar graffiti from the 1200s
where they took their red crosses and they marked it
in three places around the arc on the wall,
saying, hey, this is where we found one of the arcs.
And they did that everywhere they went in Egypt.
So there's Templar graffiti at all the major temples
and even at Hatshepsut's funeral
right before you go into the Sanctum Sanctorum
or the Holy of Holies of Hatshepsut's Funerary Temple,
which is listed as a stargate.
There's also right there red crosses
that were painted by the Templars
because the Templars had set up their main commandery building
at the Temple of Isis at Philae.
And there's Templar crosses,
all carved into the Temple of Isis at Philae
by the Templars while they were there.
But also at Dendera, the Temple of Hathor at Dendera,
there's a bunch of Templar graffiti too.
Interesting.
Now, do you believe that the pyramids at Giza
also housed these arcs?
Yes.
So one of the beliefs is that it just so happens
that the so-called sarcophagi,
the sarcophagus that's found in the king's chamber
of the Great Pyramid,
the inner dimensions of that sarcophagus
are the same as the outer dimensions
as the Ark of the Covenant.
So the reason is,
if you were to put one of these arcs,
of which the Ark of the Covenant,
that's from the Bible, is one,
if you were to put one of these in,
that sarcophagus of the Great Pyramid
with the mana in it,
this monoatomic superconductive substance,
the pyramid itself is already a giant
static generator.
In fact, the granite,
they specifically put,
this incredible,
some of as much as 70-ton granite
that they had quarried from Aswan,
which was hundreds of miles away.
They managed to get it over a mountain range
down the Nile
and then somehow get it up
into the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid.
Granite is piezoelectric,
which means when you put pressure on it,
it produces electricity, right?
So you. So you have this granite, you have all this pressure of limestone and other stone that
the Great Pyramid is made of acting on it, it's already going to produce an electrical
charge.
To this day, even without an ark, if you stand on top of the Great Pyramid with a bottle,
like a glass bottle, and you put a wet rag on it, sparks will start to shoot off the
bottle.
Yeah, it's just from the generation of the electricity of the pyramid itself right now
with nothing, no ark in the Great Pyramid.
Because of the pressure conduction of the granite.
Correct.
And the static buildup from the desert itself.
Is there a video of that?
No, but there's been descriptions of it going back into the 80s.
In the 1800s of that happening.
Wow.
So if you put an ark then in that king's chamber with the mana in it, it's going to produce
a tremendous amount of electricity.
And what would have been the utility at that time for the pharaohs?
So, one theory is that the pyramids. It's a lot older than Khufu.
And that it had actually existed prior to Khufu.
Because most of the dating on the pyramids as well, like 2500 BC or something to that effect.
It's an old kingdom.
Right, old kingdom.
But one of the problems with that, there are actually ostrich eggs in the Cairo Museum that
had been made.
Made by Bedouin cultures prior to Khufu that actually show the Nile and the three pyramids
on it, which seemed to suggest that the pyramids were there long before Khufu.
Right.
Those ostrich eggs date to what time, roughly?
I think they date as early as 5000 BC.
Wow.
So, far before the pyramids were set up.
Long before, right.
And so, that kind of suggests that the pyramids are older.
There are other elements to the pyramids as well that most people don't factor in.
One has to do with. There's a. There's a foundational platform that the pyramids rest on.
If you go to Giza, you see everyone looks at the pyramids.
They don't look down.
And if you look down, they'll see that there's a platform that these pyramids rest on.
And it's designed to be earthquake-proof.
And it's a cyclopedian architecture where there are stones that have as many as like
eight different sides to them.
And they're all fit like jigsaw pieces all throughout the Giza Plateau.
The other place we find this type of thing is in some of the. The earliest temples of Egypt, they're built with the same, like the Sphinx Temple, which
is right next to the Sphinx, is built with the same type of architecture.
The other place we find this is over in the Americas, quite frankly, in Peru, at places
like Cusco in Peru.
Same thing, built with these giant megalithic stones that are. All fitted like jigsaw puzzles to be earthquake-proof.
And it would have taken. There are millions of these stones on the Giza Plateau.
So everyone's looking at the pyramids, and the pyramids are a marvel.
Don't get me wrong, but just that platform to create that leveling out the desert and
creating that platform.
That platform is as much of a marvel as the pyramids themselves, and nobody ever looks
at those.
Right.
But it suggests a much bigger project than what Egyptologists are acknowledging, and
so it may be that these structures were originally created by Atlanteans.
There are other things, too, that point to this.
One, for example, is there's the shafts in the Great Pyramid, which go from the Queen's
Chamber and the King's Chamber all the way to the outside of the pyramids, and just how
they arranged all the stones to make that happen.
Pretty incredible itself.
But in these shafts, in particular, there's one out of the Queen's Chamber that we've. There was a scientist by the name of Gattenbrink who, about 20 years ago, had sent robots up
these shafts, and he found doors in the shafts.
And he drilled through one of the doors, and he put a fiber optic camera through the
hole, and he saw another door up there, and that was made available to the public.
In fact, I think he was even televised on, like, NBC or something like that.
Yeah, I remember.
It was like a big, like, nightly special.
Correct.
I remember this.
Correct, yeah.
But what wasn't televised was he then took. Another fiber optic camera, put it through the hole, and looked at the back of the door.
And in the back of the door, he found copper, like, hinges, and then there was writing.
But the writing's not Egyptian.
Well, that's a problem, because Egyptians supposedly built this pyramid, and yet the writing's not Egyptian.
What is the writing?
We don't know.
We don't know what it is.
It implies that some other culture, though, was involved in creating this pyramid.
Is it possible another culture came later and then put these hinges in or these doors?
No, how would they get them in there?
I mean, did you get, like, a little guy to crawl up there or something?
No, the shafts are, like, maybe 10 inches by 10 inches.
Ah, so the doors were put in at the creation of them.
Correct.
I see.
Yeah, so we know the doors.
The doors were put in when the pyramid was built, and we know that on the doors is writing that's not Egyptian.
Interesting.
And no one knows what it is to this day.
No one knows what it is.
Are there images of the writing?
There are.
You can find them online.
But the closest we've encountered to this writing is there's a culture known as the Vincha.
That is found in northern Europe.
But in some of the symbols look similar to the Vincha culture, which we haven't been able to translate the Vincha either, but it's some of the oldest writing on Earth.
Interesting.
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of the the shafts like some do but some don't well yeah i mean the
they they go in the direction we don't know if they fully go to the outside because we haven't
been able to get something to go all the way up through it but they seem to point to those
directions so now if this is somehow conducting electricity what is the benefit of these shafts
or like how does the the layout of this well the shafts contribute i don't think it contributes
well so one of the theories this is going to get really wild but bear with me
one of the theories is that the when these arcs were turned on and the pharaoh was in there
they acted as stargates they acted as uh
a way to trans not necessarily transport physically but transport the consciousness
of the pharaoh to these star systems um and uh these shafts happen to point to places like um
orion uh sirius which was uh associated with the goddess isis and uh it tracks that they they tend
to lock on and to these areas and then the pyramids themselves the three pyramids seem to
mimic the three stars of orion's belt so again it's all pointing to orion but one of the the
shafts is also pointing to to sirius which was isis associated with the goddess isis in antiquity
and by the way isis means seat or throne so even osiris or osar gets his name from isis
the os part of osar comes from isis meaning throne and that's where osiris gets his power from is from
the throne from isis and then the sar part was like his actual name you know i see yeah so there
was a there was a relationship there where the seat of power was tied to isis and that had to do
and that was connected with sirius uh and then there was a relationship there where the seat of
power was tied to isis um and then uh and then os and then osar or or osiris himself was connected
with orion i see and there was a relationship there between sirius and orion do all of these
ancient cultures do they have a reverence for orion as a constellation yeah either orion or
the pleiades um uh most of them are for example the the three pyramids
at teotihuacan in mexico just outside of mexico city they're aligned with orion's belt as well
and they have the same
uh mathematical relationships to the pyramids in egypt uh there's also three pyramids at
xi'an in china and they're also aligned with orion's belt and if you were to take those three
if you were to lay out a flat map of the world with teotihuacan giza and qi'an
they are also in the shape of orion's belt right so aren't they all like roughly on like a straight
line as well so yeah yeah very close very closely related to the 30th parallel um which is the 30th
parallel north is actually where we launch nassau launches it's called nassau launches it's called
rockets too it's kind of interesting right there seems to be something related to that
um but there's other structures around the world like um
angkor wat in cambodia has associations with orion's belt uh and other places there there are
um indigenous places uh in the southwest uh associated with the
the um the hopi tribes uh that are connected with orion's belt uh and then there are places like the
mayan tulum all the structures are laid out according to the pleiades uh and uh and in
particular the star system of aldebaran and what is that uh it's the bull's eyes the eye of the
bull it's the eye of um taurus um that's where we get the bull's eye from in uh in archery for
example um so these star systems are
pretty fundamental in the ancient world that that is found with these ancient monuments
um it's it's believed that
from a templar perspective uh we've also found replicas of arcs
uh at these places which suggests that at one point in time
these different ancient cultures and these ancient monuments all had an arc
mm-hmm which probably formed like a world grid network of
electricity that broadcasted electricity at one point in time
which could have been used for powering things but it also could have been
used in the technology somehow of transporting
the human consciousness to these stargate through these stargates to these
other star constellations so correct me if i'm wrong here but this theory kind of
follows that you have this electro conductive materials that exist in egypt in the form of
these arcs that are then in the form of these massive structures like the pyramids right that
the hebrews are acutely aware of i mean they are living in egypt for you know many many i mean
decades centuries perhaps right and then when they leave they take this technology with them
and they create these sort of mobile uh you know hyperconductors
right and then when they leave they take this technology with them and they create these sort of
right or uh some type of spiritual communication correct yeah in fact um the theory is
uh the the way the templar order looks at it now is that so there was the pharaoh akhenaten
uh he existed about 1350 bc uh pharaoh akhenaten is the first to proclaim monotheism
he says look
don't worship the gods the gods are metaphor
but there is one true god and this is the secret of the pharaohs
and he comes out and he calls the god atan and he has a the sun is a symbol of the atan
and uh or my atan which in egyptian was atanai right so
uh akhenaten is the symbol of the atan and uh or my atan which in egyptian was atanai
and exists for a little while.
And his queen is Nefertiti, who may have been a Mayan princess.
And his daughter, by the way, ends up going up to Scotland.
Her name is Scotia.
That's what Scotland's named after.
Scotia?
Yeah, Princess Scotia.
She was an Egyptian princess.
And is that Templar tradition or is that official?
No, that's official.
Really?
Yeah, it's official.
So, Akhenaten, he exists for a while.
He's deposed by the Amun priesthood.
They put up with his Aten religion for a little while, but then he gets deposed.
His brother, he has a brother by the name of Thutmosis, who grows up in the court with Akhenaten, but he's never pharaoh.
When Akhenaten gets deposed, Thutmosis. Thutmosis takes the Atenist followers and he leads them out of Egypt into Lebanon, or the region of Lebanon initially.
Well, Thutmosis is Moses, right?
He grew up in the Egyptian court with the pharaoh, but he never became pharaoh himself.
He was a high priest in the court.
The Ateni. The Ateni becomes Adonai in Hebrew, which means lord.
And he leads them into the region of Lebanon.
They become the Canaanites.
Well, they. Egypt already had a close connection with the Phoenicians, which were like the cousins of the Egyptians.
And they were seafaring culture.
They existed in places like Byblos.
Which, by the way, gets its word from papyrus.
So papyrus in Greek becomes loosely translated into Byblos, which becomes book in Latin.
But. And it's because this is where early. The early writings. Of the Egyptians and the Phoenicians were put on papyrus.
And they were stored there in Byblos.
And that's where Byblos gets its name from.
But anyhow, it was a Phoenician area.
According to Egyptian myths, Osiris had actually. One of the places where Osiris was resurrected by Isis was actually in Byblos.
So. So. Thutmosis, or Moses, takes. And by the way, Moses just means. Thutmosis in Egyptian means drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth, or Tehuti, who was the scribe of the Egyptians.
He was said to be master of the word, the inventor of alchemy, the wisdom of the needers.
He was the advisor of Osiris.
He helped to preside over the resurrection of Osiris.
And according to the Egyptian mythology, in Greek, Thut, or Tehuti, Thoth, is the god Hermes.
He was the Roman god.
He was the god Mercury.
He was the Sumerian god Enki.
But he was. Thoth was the wisdom keeper.
So Thutmosis literally meant drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth.
Moses in Hebrew means to draw forth.
And it's usually represented. They associate it with Moses being drawn forth out of the river.
Mm-hmm.
And brought into the Pharaoh's court.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
So that's where they say he gets his name from in Hebrew.
But if his name was originally Thutmosis, it meant drawing forth the wisdom of Thoth.
Mm-hmm.
Anyhow, so they go, Moses, or Thutmosis, brings the Atenist followers into Lebanon.
They become the Canaanites of the Bible.
Mm-hmm.
And this is why, if you look at Phoenician letters,
you could see how they're drawn from the Egyptian hieroglyphic letters.
And you can also see how they're connected to the Hebrew letters,
because the Hebrew came out of it.
I see.
And so this was really the path of. Of Moses being schooled in Egypt, learning alchemy.
His turning his staff into a serpent and back into a staff again.
Mm-hmm.
That's the symbol of healing that's found on all of the Egyptian temples.
If you look at the doors surrounding the Egyptian temples,
they all show a staff with a serpent going up it.
Mm-hmm.
And this later became the symbol. For Hermes.
Mm-hmm.
You know, who had a staff with the serpents going up it.
And that later became the symbol for the American Medical Association.
Right.
For healing.
Mm-hmm.
But it was originally an Egyptian symbol that was adopted by Moses,
grafted onto the Bible along with the arks.
Now, what is the Templar understanding of that story,
of Moses' temple?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And turning this rod into a serpent and then back again.
It was just a symbol of the spinal column with the kundalini that would go up.
The serpents was the kundalini that would go up it.
Did Moses do this literally?
No, it was a metaphor.
It was a metaphor.
I mean, it was a metaphor of how you transmute your physical body into the spiritual body.
Mm-hmm.
And this is why the pharaohs would always have the serpent coming out of their third eye on their crown.
Mm-hmm.
It just represented their brow chakra with the serpent, the kundalini, going up the spinal column to have the third eye open,
or what was known as the nazar in Aramaic.
This is really where the word nazar came from.
Nazarene comes from Jesus, the Nazarene, where it says in the New Testament,
if thine eye be single, thy whole body will be filled with light.
It's alluding to the third eye.
It's alluding to the nazar, the forehead, which was the sixth chakra, or the sixth seal, according to Revelations.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And the seals alluded to the seven chakra.
And the Egyptians were keenly aware of this chakra system.
Normally, we associate it with the East, within Vedic texts, but it's found within the Egyptian as well.
And in fact, the Egyptians, they set up the Nile.
The Nile was a reflection of the Milky Way, but it was also a. Represented the spinal column.
And they built the temples along the Nile to correspond to these chakra, or these seals,
which were known as the seven seals in Revelations.
And as each one opened, your old perspective of the world died off, and your new perspective opened up.
And it was. The hope was. Because you opened the seven seals, which led to the eighth sphere, which was the Agawad, the sphere of Gnosis.
Mm.
And this is really why Jesus, in Greek, Greek Gematria, adds up to 888, because it's alluding to the eighth sphere, the Agawad, the area of Gnosis.
But the other seven seals have to be opened first.
I see.
So anyhow, part of this process was. So the rod of Moses represented that spinal column, and then the seven places that the serpent would cross, the rod, each represented one of these chakra, these seven seals, or these seven psychic centers.
And for the Hebrews, I forget exactly the story, but they're. I think, with a plague.
they look at the rod, they're healed.
Yeah, so that's the brazen serpent in the desert.
So the story is as they were wandering the desert,
they kept getting bit by snakes, poisonous snakes.
That's right.
And so Moses erected this thing,
which healed them of their snake bites.
Now, what's interesting is Nikola Tesla
interpreted this as a technology.
He took the fact that the word serpent in Hebrew,
nehesh,
and the word copper in Hebrew, which is nehesh,
were basically the same word.
So he interpreted it as,
okay, well, what happens if we take copper
and coil it up?
Coil it like a snake, right?
And hook it up to a charge.
What happens?
Well, he found that the charge gets vastly increased
and it produces a discharge.
And this was his Tesla coil.
Well, it just so happens that if you,
let's say you have a snake bite
and you were to touch something,
like a coil, a Tesla coil,
and the shock from it actually separates the proteins
and the snake venom,
which causes the, it nullifies the snake venom.
Is that true?
It's true, yeah.
So, I mean, I would,
so like if you're ever out in the middle of nowhere
and you get bit by a snake
and you hook yourself up to a car battery,
and shock yourself at the point of the snake venom,
the proteins separate in the snake venom
and you'll survive.
Now, you may give yourself a heart attack,
so I'm not recommending it.
If you don't have an antidote in your body.
But if you have no other option,
yeah, you could do that to this day.
And it was, and so this is, you know,
part of what Tesla reasoned,
and he was right in that regard.
And so it may be,
that they raised him serpent that Moses,
so if Moses had an ark,
which we know he did,
in fact, that's probably the reason
why the Egyptians chased him out of Egypt
is because he stole one of the arks,
quite frankly,
because the Egyptians had a bunch of these arks.
But if Moses took one of them,
or took Moses with him,
he could have used that charge, actually,
to, if he set up a little coil with the copper
and to allow people to touch it,
it could be that that's what he used to,
it may have been a technology
that may have been used to separate the proteins
in the snake venom.
Fascinating.
To heal them, yeah.
Now, in the ark, there's not just this mana,
there's also the butted staff of Aaron,
Right.
as well as the Ten Commandments.
Right.
So again, the rod of Aaron would have been a grounding rod, right?
So he could have stored the Ten Commandments in the ark.
It would have been safekeeping,
because if anyone touched the ark,
they would have been shocked to death,
unless they had the grounding rod of Aaron,
which, again, was these rods,
just like the Egyptians had,
which you just put into the ground,
dropped it against the ark,
it would ground the electricity,
and then you could open up the ark itself.
Interesting.
But if you didn't have that grounding rod,
the ark would just build up electricity over several days,
and you couldn't touch it.
And it's why, even in the Torah,
it talks about Uzzah,
it talks about that they're transporting the ark
on this ox cart,
and the ark starts to slip off,
and Uzzah goes to,
stabilize it,
and God kills him.
Well, it's probably because he got shocked to death, you know?
Right.
I mean, why would God kill him
for trying to take care of the ark?
It doesn't make any sense.
Right.
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It built up static electricity on its own.
I mean, yeah, the shock would kill them.
Right.
And then the Levites were the ones
that were meant to carry it.
Yeah, so the Levites were in charge
of the ark.
Now, one of the things that happens
with this monoatomic gold
is if you put the monoatomic gold
in a container
and you give it a charge,
if you have mana in the container,
if you have the same container
with no mana in it,
the container with the mana in it
actually weighs less.
Then the container with nothing in it,
same container with nothing in it,
which seems to suggest,
it's about 30% less,
which seems to suggest
that the mana is causing the container
to weigh less,
to redistribute its weight
into this higher dimension, potentially.
And so it would levitate, literally.
It could produce levitation.
And it may be that the word levitation
comes from Levite-tation,
because the Levites were in charge of the ark.
The same mana was found in the ancient world
under, in Vedic texts,
it was referred to as mani.
It was said to be,
for Tibetans, it was said to be mani.
It was said to be mani.
In the Tibetan texts,
in fact, this was the stone of enlightenment,
as you find in Om Mani Padme Hum,
the Tibetan chant.
The mani, the precious stone of enlightenment,
was this same mana.
It was, in the Vedic texts,
it was also said to power
what were known as vimanas,
which were flying craft
in the ancient Vedic texts.
Vimanas, in the Sumerian texts,
the Anunnaki, which were the gods,
were said to have what were known as shimanas,
which were flying craft.
Again, the word manas in there,
and it comes from shem,
according to the Sumerian cuneiform,
it comes from shem,
which is usually interpreted as word
or bread sometimes,
shem,
mana,
and then the ana part is where you get Anunnaki from.
And ana also meant of the heavens.
So shem,
ana was something,
word from the heavens,
or was sometimes depicted as a craft from the heavens.
Now, have modern scientists not tried to rebuild this arc?
I mean. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It's been, in fact,
I can't remember which university.
Back in the 80s,
there was a university who tried to,
who rebuilt the arc
with the dimensions that was specified
and it did start to build up such static electricity.
It was producing so many, you know,
large volts that they finally had to, like,
shut it down and take it apart
because they're afraid it was going to blow up.
Speaking of which,
there is evidence,
there's an island in Egypt
known as Elephantine Island
where one of the earliest Jewish temples,
that ever existed,
was.
And it was also where there's a temple
to Thutmose III,
who was Akhenaten's grandfather.
And one of these arcs
was said to be on the island.
And the island looks like
a bomb went off on it.
There are,
the Sanctum Sanctorum would have been,
where there's these boxes
that held the arcs that were made out of granite that are about 70 tons they're
they're huge they're made of granite from as one one of these boxes is just
completely knocked over it looks like it that with rubble all around it and we
don't even know how that happened but yeah it's a total the whole there's
there's the temple that's one of the temples that on Elephantine Island where
you know you find the the the remnants but the whole island looks like a blew
up and they they believe that they actually there's German scientists there
now that have been digging there for the last so there's there's what the box 70
ton box looks like it just got blown over and
we don't know what would have caused that but it could be that one of these
arcs you know just kept building up and building up and building up a charge
until it exploded and you know just blew everything apart on that island but
that's what in recent times there was one of the universities created one of
these arcs and they were afraid that's what's gonna happen so they they turned
it off you know they disassembled it did they use this sort of powdered gold no
they didn't even have the gold they just built just the ark itself was enough to
build up the static and then build up a big of enough of a charge that it was
they were concerned about it so again if you put this monoatomic gold this mana
inside the ark which is again it's superconductible
superconductive this monoatomic substance so um for you to put one of those inside
a static capacitor yeah it would have built up a tremendous amount of charge and um
have you ever seen this monoatomic gold oh yeah we know how to make it uh I make it in fact um uh I
have a company called Templar made where we make this substance available
to the public um we just started making it available to the public recently but
uh it's it the knowledge of how to make it spin within the Templar order since
you know clear back in the 1100s when they were when they first learned of it
uh well they they learned of it in the Bible but then they found it on the temple walls
and then there were groups like the Drews and the sabians that's another group so
the sabians exist in the area of um
Haran which was uh turkey near go blacky tepe if you know so globecky tepe is one of the earliest
evidence of of ancient civilization and and the sabians they exist in that area by the way they
get their word sabian from Saba
which again means Stargate right so the sabians sabians uh and they go to Egypt each year to measure
star constellations in relation to the pyramids and uh they know that area of go blacky tepe
the Templars associated with them in fact there's Templar graffiti at go blacky tepe really the uh
yeah if you go to the what's known as the quarries of go blacky tepe which is like
15 minutes away from the actual site you'll find Templar graffiti the Templars had to go out of their
way to go there uh it wasn't on their natural pilgrimage path shall we say sure uh and they
went out of their way to go there because they had learned of this area you know and being
part of this ancient civilization so they were already even though the site was re-found in the
1990s uh the Templars were exploring it clear back in the 1200s and left the graffiti there at the
quarries to prove it but they were also associating with the sabians there and uh that's where they
learned of this um process for making the mana the monoatomics um the sabians and the druze both
preserved this process the druze was a gnostic group still exists it's a gnostic group it exists
primarily in Lebanon um but the um both groups both the sabians and the druze were the ones who
and the druze venerate Hermes as a prophet and in fact when the moves when the Muslims came across
the sabians the sabians are mentioned in the Quran the Quran says that the people of the book or the
people that are acceptable in God's eye are the Jews the Christians the Muslims and the sabians
well everybody knows who the Jews the Christians the Muslims are
nobody knows who the sabians are there are sabians that exist in Haran and there are sabians that
exist in Ethiopia and uh the sabians venerated Hermes so when the Muslims conquered them
they said uh look if you just change it from Hermes to Idris uh the prophet Idris then we'll be fine
we'll get along fine
so this so so the sabians they started worshiping Idris instead of Hermes but um
it was the same idea you know same believed to be the same person the same prophet
what's significant about that again is remember Moses was originally Tutmosis
and Tut the Tut part of Tutmosis or Toth or or Tehuti in Egyptian
um is Hermes of the Greeks so who is Idris uh so that's where the sabians they're venerating
it's also worth the point out that some of the earliest
scriptures within the New Testament were found in Egypt at Najmendi
which is right next to the Valley of the Kings
and not only did they find
uh chapters of the New Testament that had been removed or not included
uh but they found some of the earliest versions of the New Testament
but they found them in clay jars along with the writings of Hermes
but they found some of the earliest versions of the New Testament but they found them in clay jars along with the writings of Hermes
of hermes so in all of these instances hermes is a fundamental part and this is really tied in with
hermetic what's known as hermetic philosophy um and of course hermes was the or toth was the
creator of alchemy so there were certain traditions that were preserving this alchemical
science and it was believed that this was the science of atlantis
and it was used to create this monoatomic gold or this mana and they preserved the process for
making it so that's where the templars learned of it this same mana was associated with the holy
grail
and the grail myths uh it was the sacrament that came with the holy grail the bread
that came with the grail the chalice and it was by the word by the way the word grail
can be found in ancient sumer as grot all and grot all g-r-a dot a-l
was
the science of alchemy according to the sumerian myths so it's it's all connected
and uh but yeah the process for making this mana this monoatomic substance is is known by templars
uh i know how to make it and you've consumed it before oh yeah yeah i consume it all the time
oh really yeah and what is the the benefit to you is there any type of it heals the body
of everything pretty much and it raises consciousness
um sometimes in the past the um
for example the the cathars the original albigensians who the templars came out of
they had been preserving aspects of this process as well they had a their communion
ceremony was known as the mani sola ceremony and it was uh again it had to do this money
uh money was uh this alchemical which was mana the substance and by the way there was also a gnostic
leader who came out of egypt uh known as mani who got his name from the same substance he formed
what was uh later known as manichaeanism and manichaeanism spread from all the way from egypt
into china uh in fact some people believe that the ming dynasty got its name from all the manichaeans
that were in the court at the time of the chinese emperor uh the ming in chinese means light and the
manichaeans referred to themselves as the religion of light they were they were a gnostic tradition
but their leader was named known as mani and the chinese deemed him the buddha of light or they
also believed he was the reincarnation of mani
reincarnation of lao tzu which was the founder of taoism so
all these things are kind of connected right and would you say that lucifer being the bringer of
light is bringing light yeah sure sure would be connected as well i mean lucifer some people
believe jesus was lucifer they were both described as the morning star lucifer was described as the
morning star and jesus was described as the morning star in revelations that implies that they're the
same person uh that would seem pretty heretical that would definitely be heretical to the church
but but it comes from a lack of understanding of what lucifer really is
you know according to the grail legends the holy grail was uh this is wolfram von eschenbach's book
was uh this is wolfram von eschenbach's
parsifal it talks about how the grail was guarded by the templars but the grail was originally an
emerald that was in the crown of lucifer and that there was a war in heaven and that the neutral
angels there were neutral angels that didn't participate in the fighting and that they brought
this emerald that had come out of the crown of lucifer to earth to hide it and that this emerald
was the holy grail well according to the hermetic tradition the alchemical tradition
this emerald was the emerald tablet of hermes which gave the instructions on how to create
the philosopher's stone which was connected to this mana and that this tablet was also
known as the tablet of testimony which was the tablet that moses so moses brought down two sets
of tablets one was the ten commandments and the other was known as the tablet of testimony
and he deemed that the the
hermetic people weren't ready yet for the tablet of testimony and so he broke it into pieces
according to the bible so this tablet of testimony was the tablet of hermes the emerald tablet of
hermes which was the emerald that was in the crown of lucifer that the brute that the neutral angels
brought to earth i thought the tablet that moses destroyed was the ten commandments and then he had
to go get it changed or no it was the tablet of testimony there were two sets of tablets you know
there was the ten commandments and the tablet testimony so the the ten commandments were
preserved in the ark the tablet of testimony was broken apart when he saw them worshiping
ball when he saw them worshiping the golden calf that he then burnt into a powder that
he sprinkled onto the water to feed to the hebrews he was turning the gold into the white mana
mm-hmm it was transmutation it was the alchemical process
interesting so this this science of alchemy which came out of egypt was believed to be
originally the science of atlantis wasn't egypt called alchemet alchemit yeah yeah kemet so chem or
kemet was the name of ancient egypt and that's where al-kemi comes from al-kemet al-kemi is the
science of ancient egypt which is the name of the ancient egypt and that's where al-kemi comes from
al-kemit al-kemi is the science of ancient egypt which is the name of ancient egypt and that's where
al-kemi comes from al-kemit al-kemi is the science of ancient egypt which is the name of the ancient egypt
al-kemi is the science of ancient egypt which is the name of the ancient egypt which is the name of the ancient egypt
of ancient egypt which was believed to be the science of utlant originally the science of
atlantis and by the way that word utlant could be found at edfu at the temple of horus at edfu
there's a something that's known as the building text at edfutes on the temple walls
it shows the needers coming from utlant and settling in egypt
prior to the cataclysm and then it describes there being this great cataclysm that sunk
utlant the original homeland of utlant and so they just settled in egypt and then according to
the egyptian texts the gods these needers ruled egypt for thousands of years
before they then handed over that rulership to the pharaohs and then the pharaoh
pharaoh literally means son of god that's what it means so the the pharaoh would
go through an initiation right where they would uh ultimately they'd be um
blessed with the crocodile fat uh the the oil of crocodile fat and uh and they would be
anointed on the head which would
was said to that feeling of the oil being poured over the head
was the same feeling as the crown chakra opening up.
And this is what that crown chakra opening up
was said to be the experience of oneness.
Symbolically, it represented the pieces of Osiris
all coming back together again into oneness.
Or from a Gnostic standpoint,
we were born into this world, everything appears separate.
But then when we experience Gnosis,
we recognize it's all part of the oneness.
It all comes back into the oneness.
And that feeling of the crown chakra opening up is there.
This was alluded to in Psalm 133
where it says,
Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together as one
or as one mind.
It is like the precious ointment upon the head
that ran down upon the beard,
even Aaron's beard that ran down to the skirts of his garments,
promising life forevermore or eternal life.
It's said that as that crown chakra opens up,
what's really happening is the pineal and the pituitary glands
are releasing dimethyltrypline, GMT,
which is that psychotropic.
It's released when we die.
But it also can,
it can be released when we ingest certain substances,
particularly derived from acacia in the Holy Land.
Part of that burning the bush down
and then extracting those salts out,
doing that alchemical process to it.
But it's also,
melatonin is also released from the pineal gland.
Which is a chemical messenger for serotonin,
which is released from the pituitary gland.
Or no, the, yeah, the pituitary gland.
So the pineal gland releases the melatonin,
which causes the pituitary gland to release serotonin,
which regulates all the other glands of the body,
down to the gonads,
or down to the skirts of the garments,
and tells the body how to adapt to its environment.
It turns on and off certain genes and,
allows you to resonate with your environment so this was the process of symbolically the
oil being poured over the head which is feels that feeling of that crown chakra opening up
down to the skirts of the garments that's alluded to in psalm 133 it's also where the word christos
comes from or christ as anointing means anointed which was again that same feeling of the crown
chakra opening up and by the way if we take the word christos and remove the t which is the cross
the tau out of the word christos we get the word chrisos which is the greek word for gold
so it was metaphorical
metaphor these things all had metaphors like even in ancient egyptian the word
the word light or stone
was the word ben but if we reverse it we get the word neb which meant gold
hmm in ancient egyptian and there were a lot of egyptian words that were like that like ios
meant consciousness siwa meant brain hmm you know in ancient egyptian so one was the reverse
of the other interesting so this was uh common in ancient egypt but it
got carried through into greek and uh and into hebrew and uh yeah so these are some of the
mysteries you know hey dude we're going to pause the conversation right there but don't worry there
is still a lot more to come because if the templars really recovered these ancient arcs
and they preserve this knowledge for centuries well the obvious question is where are the arcs
now in part two tim takes us from oak island and the american revolution to secret templar
vaults hidden somewhere in the united states right now he also explains why he believes
those vaults still contain six arcs lost religious texts and artifacts that will absolutely change
our understanding of history and even according to tim one of those vaults may finally be opened
soon he shares generally where it is and when it'll be opened it's a fascinating episode so
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Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The Knights Templar were not just a military order but a secret society with Gnostic, Druidic, Jewish, and alchemical roots that sought lost knowledge and advanced technologies.
Their mission began long before the Crusades, rooted in secret teachings about enlightenment, reincarnation, and a pre-Diluvian civilization.
The Templars conducted secret excavations in places like Egypt, the Levant, and the Americas, searching for artifacts such as the Ark of the Covenant and evidence of Atlantis.
They believed in a lost technology—like static capacitors (arcs) and alchemical "mana"—that could produce electricity and heal bodies, with roots in ancient texts and sacred geometry.
The Templars protected all faiths, including Jewish, Muslim, and Christian communities, and were involved in early human rights concepts like "god-given rights."
They fled persecution in 1307, with records suggesting they established new communities in Portugal, Scotland, and North America, leaving cultural and symbolic legacies.
Evidence such as the Kensington Runestone and indigenous artifacts with Templar symbols supports their presence and influence in pre-Columbian times.
The Templar tradition links ancient civilizations—Egypt, Mayan, and Atlantis—through shared myths, initiation rites, and a belief in a hidden, advanced past.
Summary:
The Knights Templar were far more than a medieval military order—they were a secret society with deep roots in Gnostic, alchemical, and spiritual traditions. According to Tim Hogan, their origin predates the Crusades, emerging from Gnostic Christian and Eastern Orthodox beliefs, including those of the Cathars and the Joannite tradition. The Templars sought forbidden knowledge, including lost technologies and sacred texts, such as the Ark of the Covenant and Atlantean relics.
They believed in a pre-flood civilization with advanced science, including static-capacitor devices and alchemical "mana" that could heal and generate energy. These beliefs were preserved through secret rituals, shared across cultures—from Egypt and the Mayans to indigenous tribes in North America. Despite being suppressed by the Pope in 1307 due to political and religious pressure, the Templars allegedly went underground, spreading their influence through new settlements in Portugal, Scotland, and the Americas.
Evidence such as the Kensington Runestone, native flags, and artifacts with Templar symbols suggests a lasting legacy. The narrative reveals a hidden tradition that redefined humanity’s past as one of ancient wisdom, spiritual enlightenment, and cross-cultural knowledge exchange—challenging mainstream historical views. The episode concludes with a blend of history, mysticism, and conspiracy, inviting audiences to reconsider what history has erased.
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According to Tim Hogan, the Knights Templar originated from a Gnostic Christian tradition, blending elements from Cathar, Jewish Kabbalistic, and Eastern Orthodox beliefs, and were initially focused on preserving sacred knowledge and artifacts.
Yes, the Templars secretly searched for lost technologies, ancient texts, and artifacts from a pre-Diluvian civilization, including the Ark of the Covenant and Atlantean technology.
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