443: KJ Biermann Updates, More Siders Family News, RC Horsch New Victims, & Caleb Flynn Trial

Hey true crime besties, welcome back to an all-new episode of "Serialist's Sweet." Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to an all-new episode of "Serialist's Sweet" with me your host Happy Thursday, you know what Thursday means? Well maybe not all of you know what Thursday means. Thursday is headline highlights day, where Monday is the deep dive day, deep dive into a singular case. Thursday headline highlights going through everything happening this week in true crime, brand new cases, case updates. I don't know, new reemerged cases because something happened, which, hello I guess that would mean an update, but I can't talk where we are talking about everything going on this week in true crime. And I have to say, I think the theme of today's episode is like, what is wrong with people? Why are people the way they are? Because there are a lot of updates we have to talk about, which luckily for you guys, if you are newer to the podcast, all of these cases that I am going to be sharing with you today, have deep dives into them so you can always get the full deep dive back story if you want. We will recap a little bit as well, but just you know, you can always get the back story if you want to. And there's just so much to talk about. And I'm actually really excited because the person who is going to be co-hosting today's episode with me flew in specifically for this episode straight from the Clubs of Ibiza. Welcome, Sir Amy, collect a lot. I'm like laughing because you were shocked watching my stories. But the fact first of all, unlike myself, the fact that you clerk so hard, I'm not a clerk or no shade at your age and like go out until 6 a.m. and then go back out for a boat party at noon. I was watching and had a pit in my stomach because I'm like, I would never survive this. That is my worst nightmare of a vacation, but it was your dream vacation ended up being the best herb I've ever had in my life. Yeah, so I don't know if you guys following me on insta, but she was posting at the clerk left and right and I was literally in bed at 7 o'clock with my hair bonnet watching. What was I watching at the time? I just finished suits for the third time I was watching something pen 15 and I was just like this couldn't be. I was like that meme of Sarah Paulson. I don't know if you know her you know who Sarah Paulson is. Yeah, of course. Have you seen the meme of her like in the dark in bed with the phone and it lights up her face and she's just laughing at it? I was laughing because I keep seeing the memes that pop up. It's like this is how the text my sister asking for the networks or the Netflix password finds me and I'm like at the club. But it was crazy because when people would ask like that I would meet like what do you do for work and I would explain what you do. I think internationally true crime is just not as common as it is here in the States. It's not happening as frequently because they were shocked to say you have that much to talk about and I thought that is a loaded statement. I would argue because we have so much crime here. That's what I mean proud to be an American. No, that's exactly what I mean. I mean they were like horrified that for full time work. I know I think it's big in Italy too. There's a girl I follow and she's a big Italy YouTuber and we become friends and I know her stuff blows up. But yeah, well, heller. Heller. Heller. He's in me. You're looking full. I didn't recognize you because I can see it in your eyes. I can see it in your soul. You guys take a look at her hands because she's unrecognizable this week. I barely know who my sister is. You look like a naked guinea pig. So disgusting or like a shaved rat. I don't have nail polish on. I don't have fake nails on all natural. It's at my hands look so chubby and I hate it. My nails are brittle and then and it's the worst moment of my life honestly. It's not my favorite. Well, this isn't an only fans podcast. But if it was, I'd also show you the same stories happening with my toes right now. Oh God for the love. Thank God for the love of God. No. And I cannot wait until next week when I am given clearance to put nail polish back on these paws because it is driving me insane. You and we both sister. I know. And I have to film a documentary this week. And I won't have polished on someone to be like literally sitting on my hands. Please wear gloves. That's going to live in infamy. Maybe I'll just wear leather gloves. I'm like, they're all gay. I mean, you're not OJ. You're not channeling shaleen. It wasn't that you're out fit of choice. Honestly. Sorry. Guys, we're getting weight carried away here. But we're catching up. Yes. Shalee Woodley was worst dressed at the Emmys. I liked her out. I don't know what that says about me, but I enjoyed it. So suck it. Okay, so like I said, we have a lot of updates. And I want to start with an update in the ciders family case, you know, house of whores in Ohio, we talked about an update just last week. I think it was where the grandfather was found incompetent to stand trial. But now we have another update in the ciders family. And this one is specifically about Elizabeth, the mother of the 16 kids who were not only removed, but also rescued from that home in Ohio. Elizabeth was back in court last Wednesday, and she pleaded not guilty to all of the charges that she's facing. That includes 19 counts of child endangerment, along with two counts of sexual battery and two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor. And like we've talked about before, this case really started after investigators went to the family's home and for something completely unrelated and found these 16 children ranging in ages from 17 months old all the way up to 18 years old, just living in absolutely horrific conditions authorities said that the kids had essentially been confined to a 12 by 12 foot room for the last four years. This room, once we saw pictures of it, which we did do a deep dive into this case, and there's a lot of photos in that deep dive. And we'll put some up on the screen right now. But when we got the photos of this room and this house, which I don't even think you can call it a house necessarily. I mean, maybe I guess you can covered in filth in trash in feces in every possible known substance and piece of waste you could imagine. Think about that a 12 by 12 room 16 people some adults technically living in this one room that's filled to the brim with waste and feces it is awful. Now some of them weren't actually all of them weren't attending school. Some of them when they were rescued could not speak and authorities described the children as appearing quote almost feral. The oldest child was also developmentally disabled and couldn't even spell her own name. So at this latest hearing the judge set Elizabeth spawned at $250,000 on the sexual assault charges, which is on top of the $300,000 bond that she already had for the child endangerment charges. So all together her bond is upwards of half a million dollars. She also was ordered to have no contact with the alleged victims or with her husband Gary junior and her attorney said that he doesn't believe that she will be able to come up with the money to bond out. And I think that that is no surprise because even though you have to really like usually post 10% with a bail bondsman which in this case would be $50,000 that is first of all an extremely high sum of money but also given the conditions in which they were living and their life and the lack of work and everything I don't think that they will come up with that money. However, something else that came up during this hearing was Elizabeth's mental health because as we know she is already waiting to undergo a competency evaluation. Her attorney told the court that Elizabeth still asks to see her children and that he has serious concerns about whether she is mentally competent to move forward with this case. He specifically pointed out to the fact that Elizabeth got married when she was only 15 years old and said that she has spent the better part of the last two decades pregnant which we talked about that in the deep dive too. Her parents essentially signed off on her getting married at 15 years old to this older guy her current husband Gary junior and then she was pregnant every year for 20 years. Some of those pregnancies did not unfortunately transpire and result in a live birth many others did. There was a lot of question there still is a lot of question of was her purpose simply to breed for this family what was going on within the family was there some sort of family on family interactions a lot of weird stuff. But according to him because of all of these back to back pregnancies for two decades she never really had the opportunity to fully recover postpartum between pregnancies she didn't receive medical care and she's been dealing with pretty serious mental health issues. He also talked about the environment that Elizabeth herself had been living in saying that she had essentially spent her entire adult life inside the ciders house and didn't really know a life outside of it. And look I think that two things can be true I think that she absolutely could be a victim in all of this and I think she is a victim to an extent in all of this but I also think that she is a perpetrator these charges are not. stemming out of the blue. That being said, being married off super young, breeding, being like, you know, born, born to breed, but married to breed. And you're just constantly having children over and over. You're living in squalor. It's all you ever have known. It's what the extended family is also encouraging. There is a sense of, I don't want to say like Stockholm syndrome, but like being brainwashed to where you start accepting this reality as normal. And your barometer for what you accept, what you think is acceptable, what you think is okay parenting skills and all that. It starts to get lower and lower and lower over time because you start rationalizing what you are exposed to, what you are witnessing, what you're a part of. So I think that yes, she absolutely needs to be held accountable for her actions, but I also think she is also a victim within this family and these circumstances. So does she have the support and care that she needs if she never had that? Now, the result of the competency evaluation could become a pretty significant part of what happens next in her case. Because as we know, she's married to Gary Jr. Gary Sr. was already found incompetent, but in total there were four adults who are arrested. It was Elizabeth and her husband, Gary Jr. than Gary Jr.'s parents, Gary Sr. and for some reason, I'm blanking on the wife's name. I want to say it's Elizabeth too, but I think that's wrong. But anyway, they all are basically being charged and have been in custody. However, there was another question during this hearing that I saw everybody asking, it was going viral, the photos, the clips, everything, and it was surrounding her appearance in court. Because during the hearing, she was seeing holding her stomach and she didn't have handcuffs on, so she was kind of using both of her hands to cradle her stomach, which did look a little fuller under her jailhouse clothing. And that led to a ton of speculation that she could possibly be pregnant again. And I have to say, this isn't something new that happened when I first covered this case, when it first broke back in gosh, July, I think it was. There were rumors that she was pregnant when she was arrested. However, we were never able to confirm that. And at the time, I think that she would have been so early along that it wasn't visible in any of the footage or body cam stuff that we saw. This is really the first appearance that we have seen where if she is pregnant, because I don't love to speculate when it comes to a woman's body. But if she is pregnant, this would serve as the first appearance where we are able to visibly see that. And it does appear that she has a fuller stomach, whether that is a baby or not. I don't know. She did appear to be holding it and cradling it. So it could be that the rumor from months ago was in fact true and that she's pregnant again. Which honestly, it's disgusting to think about given the circumstances. But it's also not all that shocking considering light clockwork. She was getting pregnant every single year. One reporter even asked her attorney whether she was pregnant after the hearing and he wouldn't confirm or deny it. All he said was, I can't address that at this time. So right now, there has been no official confirmation that she is pregnant again. But with her competency evaluation, still pending, her bond now sitting at more than half a million dollars and these additional charges moving forward, there are still a lot of unanswered questions about what's going to happen next. And I also just really quickly, in case you didn't listen to the deep dive, I want to be clear, these new charges, particularly the sexual abuse charges and, you know, things to do with a minor, those stem to my knowledge from something not related directly to her children. I don't know if that still means it's a relative or if it's something like that. But those charges are not directly at this time correlated to the children who were in the house. So I don't want to elude to the fact that there was some sort of incest happening within the house and that because she was groomed in that house, arguably, she accepted that. We don't know that those charges at all infiltrate what the actual core nuclear family. So just want to make that clear before anybody, you know, start speculating. But definitely sad and it keeps getting crazy. I don't know if she really is, in fact, pregnant. Yeah. I mean, that's wild. How long has it been since she's seen Gary Jr. when they got arrested in July? Yeah. Wow. So obviously not part of a master plan there. It was just part of the timing and it was just she popped out of baby getting pregnant. Yeah. Popped out of baby time to get pregnant again and then she got arrested. I think once she probably was pregnant. Wow. I know. Crazy. I know. Well, there was also a press conference last week in the case of the Philly House of Horrors, which I know everyone's been following, which is also extremely disgusting and it just keeps getting more dark and twisted. Yeah. If you remember, a federal investigation was opened earlier this year after a man named Eugene Horsh was arrested during a traffic stop for possessing drugs, weapons, and a missing woman's ID, and a fake federal badge. That led authorities to his home where they reportedly found even more drugs, weapons, fake government credentials, chemicals, and an absolutely massive, massive amount of digital evidence. And a lot of that digital evidence is believed to have belonged to a man named RC Horsh, who is Eugene's father, and he died in 2025. RC was known for photographing and filming women in sadomasochistic scenes, many involving drugs, restraints, and violence, which has left investigators trying to figure out how much of this evidence was staged for work and what actually may have happened inside that house. And this week, investigators held a press conference that revealed they've recovered around 1 million pictures and videos from that digital evidence. And so far, they've only made it through about 30% of them. Now, obviously not a million of these files are disturbing evidence. Investigators said the collection ranges as things from as basic as emojis all the way up to photos and videos taken inside the Horsh home and other locations. And here's what they said at that press conference. Numerous search warrants were conducted, and we now know, and I know it's been reported, but over 1 million digital images were recovered. And these digital images were on different hard drives, different flash drives, different items throughout the house. The FBI helped us develop them. We have them. What I could tell you when I say digital images, some are pictures, thousands and thousands of videos. So we are in a process and we'll talk more about that, about how we're doing that. But these images go from anything from an emoji to videos that Mr. Horsh, RC Horsh, Eugene's father made and videos from inside the house, videos from other places. There's tons of pictures of lots of people, women posed in different positions within that house on Chiu. So that evidence is being analyzed as we go through. But some of what they've found is extremely concerning. Investigators say they have recovered images of missing women, Gabrielle Armando, and Maribel Freces inside the Horsh home. And in those images, both women appeared to have been unconscious and had visible injuries. The metadata from those files dates them back to 2017, so almost nine years ago. And remember either Gabrielle nor Maribel has ever been found. Investigators also say they haven't recovered DNA from either of those women inside the home. So despite having these images, they still don't know exactly what happened to them. But then the investigators described another series of videos, also with metadata dating back to 2017. And this is where everything gets even more disturbing. So trigger-warming, we're going to describe some of these images and they are very graphic. These videos involved RC and other women and both were not wearing clothing. Investigators say apparently there were two cameras there were being used. One that was fixed inside the room while RC appeared to be holding the other. And in the footage, the woman was reportedly seen using narcotics. RC gave her money and at some point she was then handcuffed to the bed. Then investigators say RC took a pair of channel locked pliers, put a zip tie around the woman's neck and tightened it until she became unconscious and quote, appeared to be lifeless. Police have now identified that woman as Nicole Ferrasso, but her body has also never been recovered. But investigators aren't saying they can prove she was even murdered at this point. They said that they still need additional evidence before they can connect what they're seeing in these videos to an actual homicide. And investigators also found images of other women in what they described as similarly concerning circumstances. So now all together, there are seven women that investigators are primarily focused on. Five of those women have been identified as Gabrielle Amarondo, Maribel Freces, RC's ex-wife Amy McCale, Nicole Ferrasso and Blair Tonzelli, that woman whose ID was found being used by another person at the start of this investigation. The sixth woman was reportedly identified and her family has been spoken to, but they ask that her name not be released publicly. And the seventh woman has not yet been identified. But those seven women are only a very, very small piece of what investigators are sorting through. In total so far, police have identified 58 different people from the videos they have seen. 10 of those people have since died from overdoses that happened later on, away from the horse home. And another 16 people have been identified, located and interviewed, but investigators say they are not cooperative. And then there are three other people that have actually contacted investigators. themselves and basically said you're gonna see me in these videos, but I'm not going to cooperate. But on top of those 26 people that police have identified, they believe there are still 25 living people from these videos who they are still working on identifying and scheduling interviews with. 58 people were identified in these images that we've seen. So for them, as we said, that were identified, appeared to be lifeless, wanted them, we have a video of what may have happened to her. The other one is not identified, so it's not counted here. 10, we know overdosed later on way after the video was done, but they were found somewhere else in a different residence in a different place in Philadelphia, not at Chew Street. 16 of them that we've seen in various states, we found and we interviewed. Not very cooperative, they don't really want to talk about what occurred in that house. They're not telling us a lot about what occurred, but they were there and now they were able to be interviewed. There's 25 people that we know are now alive, that we're scheduling interviews with. But again, they were seen in various states, and we're just not sure what they were doing when they were in there. So there were also three people that called, it said you're going to see images of us, but we're not coming in to talk to you and we're not coming back. So there's a lot going on and we've really only looked at a very small amount of video as the SAC will explain to you, there are thousands and thousands of videos that need to be gone through. And then there's the physical evidence. Investigators recovered five urns from the home that they have now been sent out for testing and the FBI says there is still an enormous amount of physical evidence that has to be processed one item at a time. Authorities also said they expect to execute more search warrant soon and investigators will be going back to the house to see what else they can find. That next search will be based on DNA and labeling results that they've already received as well as information that has pointed them towards other areas of the home that they want to look through. So obviously this is still very frustrating because there is a lot of unknowns and so many questions still in this case, but investigators are really begging for everyone's patience because at this point investigators are still just trying to piece through all of this evidence and there's so much of it that they have to go through one at a time and it's just going to take a lot of time to be able to do that and to get all those answers, but I would imagine that it would be very frustrating. Like as you read that you're like uncovering this and finding that there's these identities and now you're able to track them down, locate and interview, but then there's so many people uncooperative to speak, which I understand why, but still as an investigator, you're like, I'm trying to determine what happened here. I know. I think a lot of it probably stems from the shame of it all because when I did the deep dive on this, I remember that R.C. Horses, Eugene's father, you mentioned it how he was like a sadomasochist and like did all of this like crazy material. He filmed these insane things, took photographs and oftentimes he would hit the streets and find addicts or sex workers and offer them money to participate in these things. So when you had said that a handful of them have already died from overdoses, the other handful won't cooperate. I imagine it's because hopefully they've cleaned up their life a little bit and they just don't want to relive and revisit that shame. But I remember when we first covered this a couple of months ago and it was being dubbed as the biggest serial killer case in recent history and I thought to myself, okay, they haven't exactly proven how many people they have killed or that they have killed anyone, although the circumstances don't look to be in their favor. But now as so much more has come forward, I'm like, this really is I think one of the biggest serial killer cases because they had all those chemicals in the house, which could be used for drugs, but also could be used to dispose of bodies. They have the urns, which we know of, the missing women's IDs, the missing ex-wife. I even read recently that there was something and I can't remember exactly what it was. I need to dig into it more where there is some sort of connection to Jonathan Gerlach, who is a huge serial killer too. And so it just makes you that's kind of why I said the theme of today's episode is like what is wrong with people and like what is going on? Like why do these humans exist? Well, and that kind of speaks to his fake DEA credentials because it's like he's probably come I'm like obviously speculating here, but I'm thinking you approach these women. You're like, I'm this person of authority come with me. Like is that how he lures them in? Possibly. And then of course he's targeting people who have an addiction. I'm just going to say this though. Okay. If either one of these ass hats, not on my window or came up to me on the street, I don't care if I was flying higher than a kite. If they tried to say that they were FBI or DEA, I would take one look at their mug and be like, there is no fucking way in hell. You work for the FBI or the DEA. But what if they're like we want you to be what are they called? An undercover informant and like I will pay you and they come back. Yeah, like not to shame them, but I am going to shame them. Looking at their appearance, they look like they are straight out of the hills have eyes. Like I'm not even kidding. And that movie haunts me to my core to where I would never believe in a million years that they worked for the government. I understand going undercover and getting into character is going to say they're just playing the part. Either they committed to the bit way too hard. Because realistic. It's way too realistic. He looks like who's the guy from Goonies? I'm still never seen that movie. Oh, but like I know you guys were trying to give you a watch at this. I forget who what his name is and every is me guys shouting at the speaker right now. But I don't like it. I don't know. I just feel like I and I get what you're saying. I understand why people wouldn't want to come forward. Especially maybe if they haven't completely cleaned up. Totally. They're afraid of getting in trouble for other things. Yeah. I just wish that this guy would go obviously I'm glad he's dead. But the other one that needs to be. I feel like everybody needs to be held accountable and we need the truth of what's happening. And there's too many missing women. Yeah. I mean, the good news is even if a handful of these, I don't want to say witnesses, but I guess it is witnesses don't come forward. It sounds like they have so much evidence and so much more material to still filter through that I'm confident they will be able to find enough to put them away for life. Maybe having the additional dozen people would put them away for seven life terms. But I think that there will be plenty to like lock them up through a way to key. Can you imagine being that investigator who has to sort through a million pieces of evidence? And then regardless, whether it's part of the crime or not, it's disturbing evidence from this guy's like professional fetishes and things. So it's like God. I don't want that job. Yeah. There is nothing worse than waking up hot in the middle of the night. 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Well, her son, KJ, who's 15, has been in the headlines lately. For a lot of not only horrific sexual assault allegations, but material involving a family member that he assaulted allegedly himself as well, that he video recorded. And like I said, new information keeps surfacing daily. So I did the deep dive on Monday. You can go listen to that. It is warning, incredibly disturbing. But now we need to talk about some more updates, because there have been new developments in the case just within the last couple of days. Because prosecutors are now asking the court for permission to conduct forensic interviews with minors who are in connection with the case. I would assume those minors are more than likely his siblings, because if you did miss the deep dive, and I know I just alluded to it a little bit, the prosecutor brought up the fact that this new allegation that stemmed from April of this year with an unrelated female, who is a classmate of KJs and said that he trapped her in this lifetime gym, that he sawd amized her, that he sexually assaulted her. Once they were investigating, the prosecutor then brought into the hearing, there's actually a lot of videos on his phone from a few years ago, where he was sexually assaulting a family member, a minor family member. And it's so disturbing on so many levels, and it is very complex as well. So again, listen to the deep dive, because there are a lot of weird dates that have floated around. One of the siblings was sent away for the summer to live with her grandparents and had very strict rules about no contact with boys, had to use a flip phone. Couldn't go back home, or I'm sorry, not couldn't go back home, but the parents couldn't come see her. A lot of weird things that are highly irregular, as I said, for someone of her age. So let's go back to this most recent assault. He was arrested back in August on charges that stemmed from a April 2026 incident, where it was charges of aggravated sodomy and aggravated sexual battery. Then earlier this month, a grand jury indicted him on seven felony counts, including aggravated child molestation, aggravated sexual battery, aggravated sodomy, false imprisonment, and three counts of sexual battery against a child under 16 years of age. Last week, a judge granted him a $200,000 bond with very strict conditions, pending the release, where he had to surrender his passport, live at his mom's house, attend school virtually, be electronically monitored, can't use a cell phone or social media, can't have contact with minors, a whole plethora of restrictions. He also was ordered to have absolutely zero direct or indirect contact with the victim, with her family, or with anyone associated with her. On top of that, as I said, he can't have any contact with anyone who is 16 years old or younger, which he's only 15 years old, so that probably includes a lot of his friends. But look, if you're a threat to society, you're a threat to society. Sorry, my guy. As we talked about in the deep dive, Kim publicly defended her son since his arrest, saying the allegations against him are nothing short of reckless and that they are deeply troubling, that they can do so much harm to not only other survivors and victims, but also to people who are falsely accused. And look, while I understand her, trying to defend her son, and do whatever she can do while things haven't been adjudicated, also there is a track record and a pattern where he has been a sexual deviant in the past that she knew about. So now for this incident to happen a years later and her to challenge this victim's account by saying that it's reckless and false, it just feels so disgusting to me on a human level. But I don't know, that's just me. But now in an emergency motion that was filed last Thursday, the prosecution has asked the court to allow them to do forensic interviews of other minors, other than only the victim. Prosecutors told the court that they have "good faith basis for concern regarding additional minors, who they believe need to be interviewed in connection with the case." The motion also mentions explicit video evidence that the prosecutors want the judge to review privately and under seal. They've asked that any discussion involving that evidence or potential victims happen either in the judge's chambers or in a closed courtroom with KJ's attorney present. Now the motion does not identify the children or explain exactly why the prosecutors want to conduct those interviews. However, based on everything we know, it could really be anything. It could be the siblings, it could be other friends. Within his friend group, it could be anyone at this point, but it sounds like for sure they might be trying to find out if there are other victims. And something that I explored in the deep dive a little bit more is the timeline of it all because the video incident occurred in April of 2023. That also is when Kroy filed for divorce from Kim and filed for primary physical and legal custody of the kids. I can't help but wonder if that incident was the catalyst if he potentially discovered it and that's why he filed for divorce, why there has been so much turmoil, things essentially swept under the rug in the beginning, possibly trying to protect their children, multiple children if the children are also the victims in this, which obviously we know it was a family member. So it leads me to suspect that it was one of the children. A lot of people have alleged it's the daughter Kaya because she was sent to Montana. I've seen a lot of other people speculate it might have been one of the younger brothers given the specific charges, which not going to go into too much graphic detail here. It's all in the deep dive, but really appalling stuff. So at this point, we don't know exactly what is going to come out of this. I will keep an eye on it. There is another hearing that is going to be coming up soon. I think we're going to send someone to the courthouse because it is not locked up and you can petition to be there just so we can see what exactly is really going on. How far back does this history go? Does the evidence support and what the hell is really going on with this guy? I mean, obviously, I've followed this just through pop culture. I've been familiar with the family in some way, shape or form, but it's just the whole thing is shocking. It's disgusting. The fact that there were so many things you could look back on and see the red flags, I'm just wondering if this incident with a family member happened even earlier than this new incident that's coming to light. Why are they continuing to go on reality TV? I feel like KJ's sister is openly saying he's fast with women and he's draining my account so it's like they're aware that this thing has happened in their family, but it's been kept somewhat quiet because we haven't heard about it, but you're going on national TV on this reality show. It just feels like so reckless. Yeah, but I think the argument could be made that they're desensitized to things a little bit because they grew up on reality TV, so maybe they don't see the dangers in that or maybe they think, okay, because it was two minor children at the time because it was in 2023, meaning he would have been what, 12 years old, and the sibling would have been 11 or younger or family member, I should say, which that kind of, they could have thought, okay, we contained it all. We handled it in family court. It's sealed. Nobody will ever discover it. It's a family matter. Also, though, I think that opens the door to another conversation of when this 2023 incident allegedly occurred, he was so young, not that it excuses it, but what was going on inside that house to where he thought this behavior was acceptable. We often have seen sexual abusers oftentimes at a young age are victims themselves and then they think that behavior is acceptable. And I'm not trying to alleged that Kim or Kroy abused him in some way. We don't know what happened or if there was somebody else to coach or we don't know, but what, and I'm not trying to give him a pass either. But you have to look at things and that's why it is more of a complex case when they are so young. And there's that kind of behavior. Where are you learning it from? Is he seeing his mom and his and his dad engaging in behavior? The fact that he was also in these videos, yelling derogatory terms at his victim. You don't learn that. I know that's why when I very first heard about this. And again, because I watched the show and have limited knowledge of their family, I always found them to be like an entertaining family. And like when the boys were born, it was so cute, like just the addition to the family. And so part of me when hearing this felt badly for him, because I felt like he's a child. He's obviously learned this behavior. They talk about, I know you went into on the deep dive, the dog bite and like was their behavior before hand. And the dog was protecting. And where were the parents and all of that? Because the minute you see something like that, that's a red flag. And obviously you address that. So again, he has no supervision. Who knows what else was happening in the home. So this escalated to a point that's absolutely unfathomable. I can't say that word. That's how much I can't believe it. And it's like but where were the people that were supposed to be protecting him? And he grew up on reality TV. And it was normalized in the household and kind of encouraged even to have bad behavior. He was saying the F word and was like three hours old. And it was funny. Yeah, he was telling his mom like, I'm going to punch you in the face. This not literally a toddler, like toddler age. And they would just laugh and think it was cute. And like I get it literally when Theo asked me what this means. And he flipped me off. And I was like, first of all, I just about fucking like disintegrated. I was like, Oh my God. And he learned it at school. And it's like certain things like that are like funny or you can laugh it off in the moment. But I would never be like, oh, it means FU and did it, and it's funny and normal. - There's a lesson behind it. - Right. - We don't do that. Not like you encourage this kind of language and behavior in the house. And it's been toxic from day one in that family. They were entertaining to watch, but they kind of, the entertainment behind it was because they were a shit show. Kim would be in her confessionals with a solo cup of wine. They would be talking about having sex. They were hypersexual, they were, they glitz and glam. - And the daughters were hypersexualized, remember? She said something about like, who does my daughter need to give a BJ2 in order to get whatever that was? - Oh yeah. And I'm like, I remember when I first heard that, I was like, that's horrifying. - And like Kim, over the last few years, has already hit a version of rock bottom. I know they're divorcing. That divorce has been very toxic. I may end up just kind of releasing all the body cam footage that we've collected within this case possibly. But that divorce has been very toxic. There's been a lot of financial strain. She doesn't have the opportunities that she used to have. Now this is a whole new level of rock bottom where it's like, you're not just a failed reality star and have a toxic divorce situation going on. You have failed your children. - You are a failure of a mother. And I get that the allegations have not been adjudicated yet, but like, look at what's going on. You are a fucking failure. - Now you said they're gonna be interviewing more minors. If I remember correctly, this newer situation with the girl at the gym, wasn't she an ex-girlfriend of his best friend or linked to his best friend somehow? - She was, I believe, the best friend of his girlfriend or something like that, but she's a minor as well. - Because I'm sure all of them will be interviewed if they haven't been already. - And there's been in the deep dive I included, there was a girl from the school who spoke out on TikTok, and luckily I recorded it and saved it. She was incredibly brave and she said that there were even more, there's even more to the story. And she shared some of those details. She took the TikTok down afterwards, which I don't know if it's because she was scared of retaliation or if they, you know, it's tough. You have these kids who are high school kids and this family, who even though they don't have the financial means anymore, are influential and powerful family, that is very intimidating to go up against. And the haters that you would receive, the influence they have. So I think that girl is very brave for sharing it, but also the young victim from the April incident as well. It's like this family is not untouchable and what the hell was going on in that house to where this is where, what we are talking about right now. - I know. - We have talked about some of the worst cases out there. Hello, look at the couple cases we've just talked through today. We talked about incest cases. We talked about the Lilly Peters case where her cousin sexually assaulted her after he killed her. And this somehow is even darker than that. How is that happening and how did that slip under the radar and what the hell was going on inside that house? - I know, it's really unbelievable. - I know, I know. So like I said, I am following this very, very closely. Go listen to the deep dive from Monday if you haven't listened yet. If you're watching this on YouTube, you can definitely watch the deep dive on YouTube. I have a lot of the photos and clips on there. However, because of the nature of the content, I had to highly censor it on YouTube. So the uncensored version is on the podcast feed where you can listen audio only or if you are a die-hard video watcher, we always upload the uncensored video versions. Also add free over on Patreon as well, which is patreon.com/anilease. Just plug in that there. But like every week, everything uncensored always lives over there because YouTube is just-- - It just has to. - YouTube is getting stricter and stricter and you know what? I'm gonna go off on a tangent really quick. I saw a comment on my community page on YouTube the other day where, and I believe it was in regards to the Lilly Peters case because I covered that before I even had a podcast where I didn't even have the ability to be uncensored 'cause it was only on YouTube. And she said in the comment, she was basically airing her frustrations about why do you abbreviate sexual assault to essay, why instead of saying rape, do you say the R word, why are you doing that? It waters down what these victims experienced and it's not calling out the deplorable behavior for what it is, which 1,000% agree. And I have been screaming that from the rooftop for years and I have had so many meetings with YouTube, with YouTube partners and people who work at YouTube being like, why can't we say medical terms? That was the first thing when I started working with you. - I know. - And like this is infuriating. - It's infuriating. You can't say pedophile. You can't say rape. You can't say sexual assault. You can't say what these victims went through. And it's not like we're saying that these words and using this terminology to be exploitative or salacious or overly graphic. But when you can't even say what a victim went through using the medical terminology and the legal terminology, you've got to check yourself. And I know a lot of people have that frustration with YouTube. And so yeah, for years now, everything we do record is uncensored and it lives either on the podcast or Patreon because those are the only platforms where we can be uncensored and actually call it for what it is. But yeah, very, very frustrating. Sorry, went off on a tangent there for a second. - I get it. I'm thirsty. I'm going to take a sip of water. - Okay, I'm going to talk about this next case. And it's very reminiscent of lake and snowing, a Lexi Trivizo and all of those types of cases. But this one happened just last week and it happened at a daycare center. - Oh, great. I know. So this happened on Tuesday, September 15th at Acorns and Oaks Childcare in Perry, Iowa. At around 5 pm, paramedics were called to the daycare for an employee who was identified as 20-year-old Stephanie Ubaldo who was experiencing heavy bleeding at the time. She was taken to the hospital but at that point, no one apparently knew what had just happened to cause the bleeding that she was having. But about an hour and a half later, at 6.22 pm, police received information that there could be a premature baby inside one of the daycare's trash cans. So officers immediately began searching and about 10 minutes later, they found a newborn baby girl inside of a trash bag. Her umbilical cord was still attached but she was already dead. And that's when investigators started piecing together what had happened and they realized that Stephanie had actually given birth to the baby inside of the daycare earlier that day. And according to court documents, Stephanie had allegedly known she was pregnant for months but just had not told anybody. And police said that after she delivered the baby, the newborn was alive and crying. And this is where the allegations just become increasingly disturbing. Prosecutors say that Stephanie intentionally injured the baby's face in an attempt to stop her from crying. And after doing that, she put the newborn into the trash and tried to go back to work. But because she was bleeding so heavily from just giving birth, she wasn't able to go back to work. An autopsy later determined that the baby was in fact premature, estimated to be between 32 and 36 weeks gestation and she had multiple injuries all over her body. Her manner of death was ultimately ruled a homicide. And two days later on September 17th, Stephanie was arrested and charged with first degree murder. And after her arrest, the Perry police chief specifically pointed out that Iowa does have a safe haven law. And under that law, a parent or authorized person can safely surrender a baby up to 90 days old at certain designated locations without being prosecuted. He said that there are multiple safe haven boxes right there in Perry where an infant could have been safely surrendered, as well as other resources throughout the state for anyone experiencing a crisis pregnancy. Stephanie was booked into the Dallas County jail where she is currently being held without bail. What was the thought process here? Well, and I'm thinking you're working at a daycare. You know of the safe haven laws. You've had months of knowing you were pregnant. You've clearly chosen not to tell anyone. And why do you think that disposing of your child at the day in the trash can, nobody's gonna find out. And there's all this bleeding and you're going to the hospital and there's not gonna be the dots connected. That's where sometimes I'm like, are you out of your mind? Yeah. And you just are panicked and have no idea what's going on. But it always just, I mean, all of these cases are devastating and so sad to read. But when I was first looking at this, I had to stop myself 'cause I'm just thinking like, you're hearing your baby crying. Like, just how do you do that? You're making an active decision to end their life. I don't understand that. Like take the consequence and surrender your baby. And like, I just makes no sense to me. And again, you have months of planning to decide what you're gonna do and make the right decision. Which there isn't even a consequence to surrender your baby, safe haven. You could just mean your mental consequence of knowing you gave up a baby, but you're knowing you killed a baby instead. I just, people are sick. And I can't even imagine being at a daycare center. And like, now you have all these children around and this is happening and it just, yeah, it's devastating. Well, there's also somebody else that I wanna talk about today. Caleb Flynn. Now, this guy, first of all, I covered this for the first time when it first happened, months and months and months ago. But this guy's ugly face has been all over my feed because his trial is happening right now. And we got a new villain in town, okay everybody. Everybody thought JP Miller was the villain. Michael Miller's ex-husband. No, this guy is the new villain. And like, JP Miller walked, so Caleb Flynn could run. And when I tell you, the cringey ass behavior and facial expressions that he is portraying in this trial, his fake tears, his fake heartbreak. I'm like, bro, you are such a loser. - I'm not fooling anyone. - Not fooling a damn person. So this trial seems to be going viral, which kind of surprised me, but I guess everybody now is like, it's like trial talk where people weren't really interested in the beginning. - No, they weren't at all. Like, and I did the deep dive into this case, which still exists out there, I will link it, but there was so much backstory too, the mistresses, the church, all of these things, and nobody, and he was on American Idol at one point, and nobody really was interested, but I think people now, since the Lindsay Clancy trial, are so captivated by trial footage that people are looking for the next trial to watch. And so I think that's why it's gaining traction because not only is it a devastating case, but also pretty wild that this guy thought he was going to get away with it. So let's start by talking about him a little bit, just to give you a little bit of quick backstory. In the early morning hours of February 16th, 2026, Caleb called 911 from his home in Tip City, Ohio, he said that somebody had broken into his house and shot his wife. Now when police got there, they found 27-year-old Ashley Flynn, dead from multiple gunshot wounds, and making this even more tragic, is Caleb and Ashley's two young daughters were inside the house when this happened. And look, there was a lot of weird body cam footage. I think I'm going to release that too over on YouTube where he was like calling the mom and he was crying and like fake throwing up and just like cringe behavior. It wasn't fooling anyone because three days later, Caleb was arrested and charged with murder, two counts of felonious assault, and two counts of tampering with evidence. And this did at the time break the headlines for a moment, not because Caleb was a pastor at a local church, but more so because he was a former contestant of American Idol. So a lot of people had recognized him right away. At his arrangement, he pleaded not guilty and he had been held on a $2 million bond since his arrest. Now if you do remember when this story first broke, Caleb's 911 call was everywhere. His story was that an intruder had gotten into the house, made their way to the bedroom, shot Ashley, then somehow got back out without ever being identified. And people were really ripping him apart saying that he sounded suspicious off the jump just based on that alone. And I'm gonna play the 911 call for you right now in case you haven't heard it. So take a listen. - Oh, I'm a county, not alone. Oh my God, somebody broken in my home. Somebody broke in my home. He got my life. - Are they still in there? - I don't know. I don't know. - Okay, what's the address? - 932 Cuddy, I'm court. Get to the Ohio. Please, please, please, please, please, please. - What are you seeing? - My wife is using that. She got two shots to her head. She's flat everywhere. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Sir, please, please, please. - Ma'am, I need you to take a deep breath, okay? Do you still see anybody in the house? - No, the door to the garage is wide open. Please, hurry, please. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. My daughters are here. Where's she at? - She's in the bed, she's in the bed. - Are you with her? - Yeah, I am in the room. I'm looking at her, yes, please. - You're gonna have the door locked? - We have the door to the garage locked. He's in the house, yes. Please, please, please, please, please. - Where is that room out in the house? My partner's getting them dispatched, okay? But I need you to answer my questions. So I can get you help as fast as I can, okay? - Well, what question? - Where are you guys at in the house? - I am in the bedroom with her right now. My daughter's in their room. - You are not with the children? - I was with the children when it happened. - Okay, but you're not with them now? - No, they're in their room and they're not even awake. Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. They're please, please. - They are heading that way, okay? I need you to take a deep breath for me. - Are you hearing anything? - No, I've rubbed her leg and said her name. She's not in three. - So now that the trial has started, prosecutors are laying out what they believe actually happened that night. And a huge part of their case is Caleb's alleged affair. And not only the alleged affair, I don't know if you saw this, but opening statements were read that, or I'm sorry, opening statements or text messages that he sent to his mistress, which I thought, oh my God, what a fucking genius this prosecutor is. Like he opened it up not by identifying that they were text messages, but just reading the text verbatim and then being like, those are the text messages that Caleb Flint sent his mistress leading up to Ashley's death. And I'm like, oh, he's cooked, he is cooked. So prosecutors say that Caleb had been having an affair for about a year before Ashley's death. And that during that time, he and his mistress exchanged more than 100,000 text messages. And some of those messages look really bad for Caleb. Months before Ashley was killed, Caleb allegedly told his mistress, quote, "I was up until 4 a.m. last night crying, literally trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail." He also allegedly said that he would kill Ashley, quote, "in a heartbeat if he knew that he wouldn't go to hell." And then just hours before Ashley was killed, prosecutors say that Caleb sent his mistress another message saying, quote, "I choose you, I'm free, actions will come tomorrow." Which lucky you. Let me just say, why is it always a pastor? Okay, first of all, who has like really bad behavior. But also, when are people going to learn your phone is a digital blueprint? You moron. Like the Google history, the text history, you think that like texting, "I'm crying right now," which is first of all so cringe and embarrassing. But like, "I'm crying because I'm literally just trying to think of ways to kill her, ways where I won't go to jail." Well, if you really are trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail, maybe don't text about it, you freaking moron. And like, this mistress don't even get me started. I know, when you can't, when you are a mistress in a situation, be an Amber Fry. Don't be a Nicole Cassinger, be an Amber Fry. When you hear, I'm thinking of ways how to kill my wife. See that as a red flag and turn him into authorities. Exactly. And as we know, shortly after these text messages, Ashley was then found shot in the back of the head the following morning, after the "I'm free" text message. So prosecutors also told the jury that Caleb normally kept a nine millimeter handgun inside the center console of his truck. But when police arrived that morning, the console was open and the gun was gone. Which to this day, the gun has still not been found. Now, the defense isn't denying the affair because, hello, obviously you can't. They're not even denying that Caleb sent some really horrible messages about Ashley. Their argument is basically, being a terrible husband does not automatically make you a murderer. Which, yes, fair point true. However, when you're sending messages to your mistress about wanting to be with her, wanting to be free, wanting to kill your wife, your gun is mysteriously missing, that's a lot of circumstantial evidence that I would indicate makes your client very absolutely capable of murder. They also said that there were plenty of loving messages exchanged between Caleb and Ashley. And that some of the things that Caleb said to his mistress were meant to appease her while he was talking about potentially getting a divorce. And I'm sure that there were loving messages. We all heard Scott Peterson in his famous voice mail to Lacey on the morning that he killed her, being like, "Hey, honey, just love you so much. Can't wait to see you. Do you need me to pick anything up? How's the pie?" Or like whatever he said, and it's like, "Yeah, because he's not only going to try to cover his tracks and build a story, but he's also not trying to spook her or make her think that anything's wrong within the marriage." Like, duh. I hope every single juror that has seated sees that. But they're also arguing that investigators decided Caleb was responsible way too quickly. And then they just built their case around that theory. They pointed out that there was allegedly no gunshot residue found on Caleb or his clothing. But there is no murder weapon. And they say that there is no definitive forensic evidence proving that Caleb fired the shots. Then after opening statements, jurors were actually taken to Caleb and Ashley's house to see the scene for themselves. And then back in court, they heard Caleb's 911 call, which I already played for you. And they watched the body cam footage from the officers who arrived that morning. And I really do think I am going to post that footage because it, well, actually, I think it's in the deep dive. It is so embarrassing when you look back knowing what we know now. So over the first two days of testimony, prosecutors really started picking apart Caleb's intruder story. Investigators testified that they found no evidence a forced entry through the garage. They also believe that parts of the scene were staged to make it look like someone had broken in. And a refrigerator that had been blocking the garage door also appeared to have been moved from inside the house. So let's just look at this. Devil's Advocate for a moment. You're telling me this random intruder didn't break into the house. There's no signs of forced entry. He went into your center console in your truck, knew you had a gun there, grabbed your gun, left the center console thing open, went into the house, moved your refrigerator that is in short, extremely heavy, pushed it to the side for whatever reason, didn't make a peep, went up, shot only Ashley, not you, not the kids, didn't steal anything, didn't make a mess, and then just left into the night with no motive, with no motive. Okay. So then they moved on to Ashley's injuries specifically based on the position of her body and the blood patterns at the scene. Investigators testified that Ashley appeared to have been lying completely still, possibly asleep, when she was shot. There were no obvious signs of a struggle and her autopsy showed that she had been shot twice in the back of the head at close range. And this whole time, like I said, Caleb was crying in court and these videos, it looks so staged, so fake, so performative, it's unbelievable. He cried throughout the 911 call, the body cam footage, while photos from the scene were shown to the jury. But like I said, it looks like he's kind of trying to squeeze any tear he can. I bet he wished he had like, vaccine in there that he could just dribble, dribble onto his cheek. And it looked so performative and just embarrassing. Then the investigators, of course, circled back to the missing gun. And again, Caleb reportedly kept that handgun in the center console of his truck. However, that morning, the console was wide open, and that gun was missing. Police also said they found a wireless security camera that was hidden underneath the television in the living room, which I'm definitely more interested to hear more about that as the trial continues. Maybe at the time of this episode being released, we will have heard more about that. But it could be something totally normal, like a baby monitor, or I have cameras throughout my house, like not everywhere, but like covering a lot of like the vantage points that you need to see, right? So it could have been something to like keep an eye on the kids, some sort of indoor camera and nanny cam while they were gone. Who knows? But some people also wonder, oh, was this camera placed there by Caleb? Was he watching Ashley? And like I said, coming right off the heels of JP Miller, Caleb has now become the internet's newest pastor villain. Everybody's watching this right now. Everybody's glued to it. Maybe I already did the deep dive, which was only a couple months ago, so I will link that. Maybe I will do an updated one with the bombshells coming out in the trial. Let me know if you guys want that. And there's also like I said, a lot of body cam footage. But like I said earlier, he's a pastor like JP Miller. He's a scumbag like JP Miller. And speaking of JP Miller, we also released a deep dive on him this week. I did a deep dive on the Micah Miller case death of the pastor or a death of wish it was death of the pastor and death of the pastor's wife on Netflix a few weeks back. However, this week I decided to rip JP apart and do a full JP Miller expose, going through his whole shady backstory, his dad's, shady backstory, everything he's done, all the messages at all of that. So I just felt like let's really drag this piece of shit. So that released on Tuesday, and you can go listen to that now as well. You assigned that as homework for me on my trip and I did watch. They left out so much. And a lot about his backstory, which that's why I felt like I was like, you know, I'm doing the deep dive of what Netflix missed as a whole. But now let's really drag this guy. Let's like show the world who this monster truly is. Speaking of other deep dives, you can go listen to this week. I did watch the 60 minutes Patrick Lansy interview the 14 minutes Patrick Lansy interview. I do have some thoughts that I don't think other people will see coming and that I think not our hot takes, but things that definitely didn't really sit right with me. And I put that out on what day was it Monday. I recorded it originally on Sunday right after the interview. I even made it a point to watch the interview Eastern time. And then my mic wasn't on tight. So I recorded it again on Monday and because it's technically an Annie rant where it's not scripted, it's not filtered. I mess up. I kind of just speak very uncensored. It is only available on Patreon and also on Apple podcasts. It's under the Annie Plus subscription because anytime I do an Annie rant, it's more just off the cuff. Annie, we just talking like I'd be talking with you. Just a lot of if bombs get dropped, but a lot of real thoughts get dropped. So I feel like I need to protect it a little bit for you. We don't want all this a little more wild. And we don't want those thoughts just living out there for the public scrutiny and living in insamy. So that is interesting to hear that because you and I haven't talked about that outside of I can't believe it was 14 minutes. And they promoted it the way they did. The like the click, baby. Yeah. Say I know, but there were some things in it that I was like, don't love that. Don't love that Rachel. So that is available. So your homework, podcast listeners and YouTube viewers is if you have not, you have Mondays, KJ Beermann deep dive, Tuesday Mondays, 60 minutes, Patrick Lancy recap unfiltered, Tuesday's JP Miller expose dragging him to the depths of hell where he belongs. And your other fourth assignment is to like and subscribe to this episode. So do that now if you're watching on YouTube. Other than that, I will keep an eye on this Caleb Flynn stuff. Let me know what you want. Let me know what you guys want to hear from. My DMs are always open on Instagram at underscore Annie Elise or at true crime with Annie. How long is this trial for Caleb? No, that's a good question. I'm curious to know what his mistress has to say in all of this and how and what kind of trouble she's going to get in because I hope they hold her accountable. I mean, she I only she can get in trouble really. How? You don't have to report if someone says I'm trying to think of how to kill somebody's accessory possibly, but it might be a reach. I mean, how could you live with yourself knowing you could have prevented this? You could lie though and say, Oh, I thought he was joking or this and that. But yeah, I do wonder what she's going to say. Don't sleep with married men. Is that the new? Be nice. Don't kill people. Just get a divorce and don't sleep with married men or in a tribute to just going to say close your legs. Close your legs and married men as Neenie would say. Never thought we'd be quoting Neenie leaks on this podcast. Never thought it never sunk it. Oh, Brian. Well, welcome back. Thank you for having me. I wish we had some positive things to talk about today. Theo got a rainbow fuzzy in his cup. Of course he did. It's something that was, you know, surprising and kind. Of course, that's good news. He's an angel. I know. All right, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will be back with you very soon. I will be back with you Monday with an all new deep dive. And like we just said, be nice. Don't kill people. Just get a divorce and close your legs to married men. Bye.