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First, the thing got stolen four copies off the back of a bus by some paparato and it hit, all the headlines hit everywhere long before it's launch, which was officially this past Tuesday, yesterday I believe. And then already we had the palace pushback on some of the claims in there saying, you know, it was kind of the recollections may vary King Charles' version saying like, the grief of a brother may taint one's remembrances, something along those lines. Because he's claiming that then Prince Charles was giddy upon hearing that Diana died and that then at the funeral said to the effect of she'll be forgotten very soon. So he doesn't like Charles, that's very clear. But there are real questions about whose memory is correct, right? Because the King is saying he's off and the Earl is saying the King is off and it's a mano a mano situation. Well, enter Peer's Morgan, who is the Waldo of every great British royals story. He's just somehow related to almost all of them. I don't know. He's just been in media over there so long and fearless that you see him a lot in the background of these stories, especially when it comes to Diana because he knew her. They were friends and she used him when he, because you know, Peer's came from like British tabloids and she used him often to get stories planted and to bone up on what was being reported and in some cases to change the copy. Peer's is reported all of that. Well, in any event Peer's appears in the Earl's, Earl Carlos's book and not a very flattering way. And here's, I'll let Peer's tell you earlier this week laying out what he says is absolutely false in this brand new, newly minted book. Watch. Because I can exclusively reveal, on uncensored, the Earl Spencer's book contains fabricated inaccuracies which will strike to the heart of his credibility. Spencer accounts how he personally call round the tabloid newspaper editors to uninvite them from Princess Diana's funeral after they had all been invited. The only one who sounded surly as opposed to merely confused or embarrassed was Peer's Morgan of the Mirror who snarled with annoyance before he hung up. Well, Spencer then explained why I may have been surly with him. I assumed Morgan must be feeling particular guilt, he writes, because four years earlier, he and his Sunday mirror counterpart had published photographs taken with hidden cameras by A. G. Mona. They were of Diana working out in a leotard. This was such an intolerable invasion of her pregnancy that Diana instructed lawyers to sue the mirror group. Well, this is all pretty extraordinary stuff, isn't it? Very dammit, particularly about me. I come across in the most despicable manner, imaginable. There's just one problem. It's all bullshit, and very, very easy bullshit for me to prove it. The photographs which he says that I published were printed by the Sunday mirror on November the 7th, 1993. I joined the Daily Mirror in October 1995. If all Spencer can be so incredibly defamatorily wrong about such basic facts involving me, well, why should we believe anything else that he puts in this book? Very good question. Pears then threatened legal action. He's hired a very well-known defamation law firm in the UK, where the defamation laws are much stricter than they are here in America. And Earl Spencer, through a spokesperson, first put out a written statement and then went on a show called Lorraine this morning, or involving someone named Lorraine. I don't know the UK morning TV. And I'll play you his sound bite in a second. But his written statement read his follows. Earl Spencer's account of his conversation with Pears Morgan is accurate. Mr. Morgan was thoroughly and annoyed when Earl Spencer called personally to tell him that he was not welcome at his sister's funeral. The book then records Earl Spencer's assumption that Mr. Morgan's response was because he was editor of the Daily Mirror when the mirror group had published highly intrusive photographs of Princess Diana at the gym. The photographs were published by the Sunday mirror on 7 November 1993. Mr. Morgan has pointed out that he did not join the Daily Mirror until October of 1995, two years later, as an historian, accuracy is important to Earl Spencer. He therefore wishes to clarify that his assumption was incorrect. Earl Spencer apologizes to Mr. Morgan for this error. Okay. So then Earl Spencer, Carlos, goes on morning television today in the UK, and here's what he said. The allegations from Pears Morgan, he's going to pursue legal action because there were some inaccuracies in the first one. Well, there was one. We've apologized for it, and it's going to be changed. Absolutely. I mean, unlike some journalists who we know we know of, I'm very happy to acknowledge I made a small error and I've apologized and it will be put right in the second edition. But that's it. What he said is that if you get that wrong, it's given people an opportunity to have another go at you to say, well, if you got that wrong, what about other inaccuracies in the book, what would you say to them? Well, I stand by the book. Okay. But this is a deep, deep problem for him because as Pears has pointed out, he is writing about an alleged exchange that happened the same week as his alleged exchange with then Prince Charles. And obviously, he is way off based on his facts. I mean, that is, let me just explain to you what a massive fall down this is. They're not only do you as the author check your dates and your facts. When you write a book, I've written one, but I happen to be married to somebody who writes a lot of them. And the fact checking is extensive if, you know, my husband actually is a historian and it checks all of his own facts and is very meticulous about it. It's not to say you can never make a mistake, but the fact checking is meticulous. And then the publishing house checks all of the fact checking is a massive pain in the ass piece of writing a book. And the notion that something
is basic as this was wrong does undermine the entire credibility of this book. He was off by two years, and when Pierce was at the Daily Mirror, that's literally just a Google search. That is the easiest fact check you could possibly do. There was utter apathy in checking the facts on this book. That's what this tells me. Obviously, the Earl has a bone depict with Pierce. He doesn't like him. That's very clear because he says this was his assumption that the reason he was surly, which Pierce denies, but the Earl is trying to tell us he was surly because he had basically blood on his hands. He's trying to tell you in this book that the paparazzi killed Diana and that Pierce was basically one of them because he was running a tabloid that had paparazzi like figures out there, taking pictures of Diana, except Pierce didn't even join the publication until two years after the alleged the offensive pictures and story about Diana at the gym. So even that is defamatory. That suggesting that Pierce was running the show there and had made those editorial decisions is defamatory and then to say that when you disinvited him because I guess some lord over there who oversaw the media had invited all of the heads of these British tabloids to Princess Diana's funeral, not because, I mean, it does sound weird to those of us because we would never, like God forbid, there was a, you know, a death of somebody, you know, who's the head of state or the wife, etc. We would never be calling like the national inquirer and inviting them to the funeral. But over there, and you get to understand this, the term tabloid is, it's not as lowbrow as they are over here. Like tabloid over here, you understand, you're probably going to see an alien on the front of one, you know, and learn about how it's having a baby, possibly with Jennifer Aniston. Okay, that's that's how we understand tabloid. Over there, it's a little bit more elevated. I'd say it's more like a, a weekly type publication, although even more credible than that. So anyway, my point is simply, they did get invited over there because the practice over there, I guess, is whenever there's a prominent death involving the royal family or head of state, they do invite the heads of these media organizations, Pierce's explaining this, this week. Anyway, so this lord had invited Pierce and others, but then Carlos Diana's brother was mad because he blamed her death on the paparazzi and he wanted them all disinvited and apparently took great pleasure in calling around to them saying, you're not coming. And he included Pierce on that list, he called Pierce and he, he told him you're not invited. And you heard Pierce describing his reaction there that he wasn't in Pierce explained that he actually, when he received the invitation, said, Oh, I don't, you know, are you sure they want that? Like, are you sure Earl Spencer wants that? And the lord said, yes, it's fine, the lord. And so when Earl Spencer called him to say, I actually don't want you to come. Pierce says he wasn't surprised at all. And in fact, given the circumstances, he was extremely respectful and had nothing but, you know, kindness for Earl Spencer in that moment because he understood what a massive loss he was suffering. So now, Mr. Swagger, Carlos Danger, the new Carlos Danger, in this book is all about how, uh, basically I told him to fuck off. I called Pierce, I disinvited him. He was surly. I managed to piss him off because he was disgusting and he knew what he had done. And none of it is true. Pierce says absolutely not one word of it is true. The Earl is holding on to, well, you are surly. I mean, this is not good. So Pierce, after receiving this, like, sad little apology that I read to you is not satisfied. He wrote on X quote, "Earl Spencer has apologized to me for his defamatory lies published in his new book, Swan Song. But I am pursuing legal action against him and his publisher Penguin to have the lies removed and damages paid to the King's trust. In a follow-up X-Post Pierce writing quote, Earl Spencer's account of our phone call is also deeply misleading. I was neither surly nor annoyed, but instead very respectful to him and his family as I wrote in my diaries, the insider." That was a best-selling book he wrote back in 2006. It would seem the Spencer's recollection of phone calls is very suspect. And now we get news today that the book, it's been on the shelves for 48 hours. The book, not even 24, entitled Swan Song, Diana My Sister, will now be edited and reprinted without the stories about Pierce Morgan and them. Or at least this one. This is no way, no way to kick off your book lodge. So Pierce's upset and had predicted that they would have to pull the books off the shelves. Listen here, this is him on TV's Chris Shipp, September 22nd. In his apology to me today, in which he admits that he got it completely wrong, in my view it's defamaterally wrong and will be taking legal action against him and his publishers to have this removed from the book and therefore probably have the book removed because he's admitted that it's completely inaccurate. And that's exactly what's happening. No, I don't think they're removing the edition one books that are on the shelves right now, but they're going to print in edition two without the story. But that, you know, Pierce is out for blood. I mean he's like, that doesn't clear up the defamatory books that are all over the world right now. You know, millions of people presumably are going to read these stories about me, which are obviously inaccurate. So this guy's been, you know, humiliated before the book even really gets going. And here's Pierce saying a little bit more about that business about whether he was surly. He happens to have a contemporaneous record of that phone call. Pierce does. He kept diaries, especially that week. Can you imagine what that was? He knew Diana, as I said. And he turned those diaries into a book. So here he is explaining that piece of it, saw three. He says I was surly and annoyed in this conversation, which is the week when he claims, of course, to have had the conversation with them, Prince Charles, which was so incendiary about him. He did it like a lottery winner. So what I mean, you weren't surly on that phone call, is he's dialed down today. It's an absolute lie to say that I was surly. I could not have been more respectful. In fact, it's not just a case if you're having to take my word for it. Go back and read my own best-selling volume of diaries, the insider, and check the diary entry about this phone call. And you will see how respectful I was to him and to his family, and asking him to pass on my specific condolences to his mother, who I spoke to on a regular basis, as I did his sister Princess Diana. So he's lied about the tone of our conversation, and he knows he has. And that, to me, begs the question, well, if he's got that so egregiously wrong, then is he to be believed about his recollection of the tone of the conversations he had with them, Prince Charles? I would argue he's not. Well, we can also report to you here from the Megan Kelly show that we have spoken with a source who knows Earl Spencer. And this source has informed us that Earl Spencer has been long known to have a faulty memory when it comes to retelling the stories that he loves to tell. That each one retold will have new fabulous details, something gets enhanced, something gets left out, but the same story that should ring the same way with the same basic facts over the years. In fact, changes depending on the audience that he's in front of, the amount of time that's gone by his mood, et cetera. And, you know, if that's, and look, there's what they're obviously everybody tells the story a little differently each time you tell it, but to actually change basic facts about it, it is a different thing entirely. And we're, when you're talking about potentially defamatory statements, things that would embarrass someone or make them look bad. And then also you vary so much in the telling that you're no longer being truthful, which is what both the King and Pierce Morgan are alleging happened here. Now you're in some trouble. Now you are in potential legal trouble. Now there's no way King Charles is going to sue Earl Spencer over this book. We all know that. That would only cause more, call more attention to it. But all the reporting we've seen since this book was leaked, you know, the alleged theft of the books, shows that Earl Spencer cannot stand King Charles, cannot stand him, hates his guts. And by the way, my source tells me that is the case that he's hated Charles from the beginning. He can't stand him for a whole host of reasons. So you got a factor that in to his reporting about the King. And now what we see in these British papers is dueling narratives. You know, the one side is saying that King Charles, yes, he was divorced from Diana. As Maureen and I were discussing on Friday, so is it possible when he found out that and it was an ugly divorce and it was very public. And you know, is it possible when he found out that she had passed? There was a piece of him that felt relieved in the way like,
Nobody really wants to share a custody of their children. Well, maybe not nobody, but a lot of people. And this is a problem sort of that was solved for him. That's possible. But there is a lot of reporting out there that it's actually not true that King Charles was devastated to hear that she had died. He didn't want that. And that most especially he was devastated that he was gonna have to tell those boys. Their mother was dead. And that he decided to wait until they woke up that they were asleep. And he didn't see any reason to wake them up in the middle of the night and break this news to them. And that he personally sat on their bedside and gave them the news. Which is much to his credit. I'm sure a less thoughtful monarch or would be monarch could have delegated that to somebody. And if I'm honest, it seems like Queen Elizabeth was so distant as a mother. It's kind of thing she might have delegated. I know like everybody loves how she was on the throne. I'm just gonna say like really glad that wasn't my mom. All the stories about her mothering make her, I mean, it seems like you could freeze ice on her ass. Like it's not exactly the warmest, most loving environment to be raised in. But it really genuinely seems like Prince Charles did better with his boys. By the way, I also have it on good authority that Earl Spencer has been telling that story about Prince Charles, again, then Prince Now King, allegedly having some sort of an affair with the valet, his personal butler, or possibly being gay for a long time too. So he doesn't like Charles. Charles and Carlos don't get along. And for some reason now Carlos has decided to write a tell-all, is it because he needs money? Is it because Al Thorpe, that massive estate that belongs to the Spencer family, is a lot to keep up? I mean, who didn't watch Downton Abbey, right? Lord Grantham, he needed to have chorus and heritins because otherwise he couldn't maintain the estate. That's why they couldn't separate the estate from the entail, her estate, her inheritance. Anyway, yeah, these manners cost a ton of money to maintain. So there is a possibility the guy needs the dough. Maybe he saw the success of Harry's book spare and decided might be an opportunity for him. I don't know, but this is not good. So, as I mentioned, the king put out a statement, gentle, a little long for my preference. You know, like it was basically a longer version of recollections may vary, but they were pinning it on Earl Spencer's grief at the loss of Diana that has clouded his judgment. So Spencer came out and responded to that with a BBC. And this is what he said, it's not for. You know that Buckingham Palace has already said with a degree of fury that that didn't happen. I just haven't actually Laura. They've sort of smudged that one, haven't they? They've said that recollections may vary. The king is plainly furious. Buckingham Palace almost never issues any kind of statement. Well, it's furious or is he embarrassed? Because I can tell you here and now those are exactly the words he said. Did you write it down? Did you keep a diary? Do you have evidence that that is what he said at the time? Because to be fair, this was a time of massive shock and emotion for both of you. I told friends and family straight away, close to friends and family about what had been said, because it was so monstrous. Which Charles are the public meant to believe? Are they to believe you? Are they to believe the king, the head of state of this country who's giving the impression very forcefully that this didn't happen? Who are we to believe? Well, I'm telling the truth. I'm into that girl's accent in her manner. She's interesting to me. I like it. But I can back up, again, a source in a position to know has told me that he has been telling that story for years about Charles. Allegedly saying she'll be forgotten soon enough about Diana. I mean, am I the only one who doesn't find that monstrous? I'm like, you know, maybe he did think that. I'm sure he was hoping that he's a divorce. Have you ever gotten a divorce? Like, well, I had a friendly divorce in my first husband, so I don't feel like that. But I know a lot of people who have been through very ugly divorces and they're not sitting around wishing, you know, sweet nothings to their ex, especially when there are kids involved. And like, she was all over the press, ripping him to shreds. So is it so hard to think that, you know, then Prince Charles thought that Diana would be forgotten? I don't know. Even so, what we see with this guy is he's emotional. Like, he's obviously quite emotional. And that Ken Cloud judgment, as Charles said, it can. And you'd have to think, like, is Charles dumb enough? Was it like, okay, yes, he was getting an acrimonious divorce. But you'd have to be kind of dumb to think that Diana would be forgotten, especially that week. Do you remember? I mean, I remember where I was when I found out that Prince is Diana had died. It was August of 1997. I had been out and I could not believe my ears when I got home. I'd been out with a bunch of lawyers having drinks and we were at a club in Chicago. And I couldn't, I had gotten home in the middle of the night, all the TV stations were tuned in to Buckingham Palace and the flower bouquets were starting to stack up. No one could believe it. I mean, she was literally the most famous woman on earth. One of the most famous people, really, I mean, there were very few men who were more famous than Princess Diana and beloved too, because the public had taken her side. They knew that Charles had been cheating on her with Camilla and she did a very good job of working the press and she seemed more like a woman of the people. She had been stripped of her HRH, you know, her Royal Highness title when they got a divorce. People didn't like that. That's when they started calling her the People's Princess and she seemed like a good mom. She worked that media like nobody's business and her ex-husband Charles did not. He wasn't very good with it. So the people were on her side and it does seem unlikely that he would have been so dense. He would have thought that her premature death at age 36 would have tamped down interest in her. So I don't know what the truth is, but I do find it all quite interesting because the royal family is in a very precarious spot right now, thanks to those two losers from Montecito. They've really damaged the royal family. Their only real hope is Will's and Kate. By the way, wait until I get to what they did last night, stunning, stunning developments with them. But these two have done their level best to bring down the monarchy because they couldn't have what they wanted. The half and half out approach and they basically got kicked out like you can't do that. You know, it's like either you work here or you don't. You know, it's like, you're in or you're out, pick a lane and they didn't want that. They didn't want to do the tedious work of ribbon cutting, civic center stuff, that boring charitable work. They only wanted to be seen with celebrities at Galas. And they were pissed because the list faces Harry has never worked a day in his life. He went to the military for that. I give him credit outside of that is never worth a day in his life. Meghan Markle is the suits girl, okay, she's the deal or no deal girl. I'm sure that was very fun and a good assignment, but this is not exactly like hard labor. So they didn't want to do it. You heard that famous line that was she was reportedly quoted as saying, I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this when she was standing out there being celebrated by thousands. She's annoyed. So, okay, I do believe have threatened the monarchy. They've now moved back to the UK and are trying to cause trouble yet again by showing it up at all these events. People don't know whether they're supposed to be treated like royals or not. The king said not their private citizens, then they objected, saying we want to be called public figures, not private citizens, you heard that. And now can I tell you something? Now there is a report in the Daily Mail by Allison Boshoff, who's an excellent reporter, and she's got solid, solid sources on the royals, who reports as follows. I am told by well placed sources, the extraordinary news that a return to Montecito, California for good has not been ruled out by these two. I can't. What? They just got there. As she writes, it could come within weeks. It's unreal. Indeed, it is apparently quote, likely that the family will quit the UK again if Harry doesn't get the improved taxpayer funded security, which he has been demanding for years. This is incredible stuff. Those close to the dukes say that the Royal and VIP executive committee, it's called Ravak for short, that its decision on security for him, his wife Megan and their children, is expected within days, according to the dukes friend quote, if he does not get security, then I believe he will go back to Montecito for good. And that could be as soon as half term.
I don't know what that means. I don't speak British, but soon she's reporting very soon, could come within weeks. They knew, they knew that they were not going to get the security. They'd already been denied and all the reports that he wanted us to believe endangered him, all the terrorist stuff, whatever. They said that the threat is greatest in the UK. So knowing he'd been denied and that is alleged threats, which I don't believe, we're in the UK. He moved back there anyway with his wife and his children and he was so, so worried about security. He didn't bother checking out the school route that he was going to have to take his kids on every morning or speak to some local parents, call a local mom, go to the coffee shop or the playground or the UK equivalent of the town pool and ask some of the moms how long the morning commute is because apparently it's not just famous, it's infamously bad. And they did no due diligence. By the way, if they had just let the security take the kids and like kept it on the download without making such a big deal out of it, they probably would have been fine. Nobody would have known they even lived there. But his wife was posting all the Easter eggs of their location. People figured out exactly where it was and they figured out the school and then those two were horrified that their car got separated from their securities in the morning traffic. Okay, and by the way, you can put a guard in your car with you in your car with you. It's done all the time. Trust me. And you can also get a bulletproof car. That's another thing you can do even as a layperson, which, you know, you want us to know you're not. So sure you could pay to upgrade the windows on your car. But he didn't, he wants you, the British taxpayer to pay for it or he's going to leave in a huff, which really no one cares. On the business about, I mean, we care because we don't want to inherit them again. We did our time. They're the UK's problems now. But on the subject of them coming back to the United States, Steve tells me half term means end of October. Harry's already back in New York City. Like they literally just moved and been there, I think, less than 30 days and he's already back here, stateside, he appeared for an event at the Clinton Global Initiative and gave a speech about AI being very, very dangerous and, you know, we all have to be very, very scared. I mean, the thing it's like, we, as you know, I've had segments on the show asking whether that is true. And I think any open mind should probe is that true. These are extraordinary claims that are being made by people on the inside of the industry. Let's discuss them. There is a certain safety set that goes right to, ha, ha, ha, ha, like an 11, actual fear. They love it. They like, they enjoy to be fearful, being fearful. They enjoy having a disorder, you know, those people. And of course, he's among them. So they asked him to give a speech, well, here's what's interesting, not, not of course, the speech. But watch this. His teleprompter failed. It did not go well. Central media learned how to capture our attention. AI is learning how to enter our relationships. It doesn't just want your attention. It wants your attachment. It wants to be the thing you can fight in. The thing that remembers you. The thing that tells you it understands you, the ultimate sycophant. Now, the damage was already done to a generation of children and parents. Did you not have years for what comes next? And that's it. How humiliating. I mean, honestly, you're a Prince of England, and you can't ad lib like a paragraph worth of summary, summation, and goodbye. I'm embarrassed for you, genuinely embarrassed for you. Like, you went to eat and, right, didn't you go to Oxford or Cambridge to like, come on. You can't ad lib a paragraph, summation, and goodbye? Get it together. He hasn't been having a good week. He recently went into a school and, you know, tried to be like completely charming. And interact with the children. And look at me. I'm so relatable. You know, just like my mother was the people's princess. Now, I'm the people's prince. Well, the children didn't seem to much appreciate that he was there with, of course, just like his wife. God forbid, they ever do one of these things without being flanked by TV cameras because it's all about showing you what a good person they are. Listen to how the student reacted in "Sat 12." He was faint, but what you could hear is the students saying, "There are six cameras in my face." And the overall reaction of the children on that visit seemed to be like, "What is he doing here?" That was in the UK before he came back and had his teleprompter melt down. Now his wife, neither one of these people seems to have real friends. You know, we showed you when Harry went to that MBA game, "Who do you show up with?" Adam Silver, the commissioner, like what 40-year-old man wants to go to a basketball game with like Adam Silver is like an elderly guy, like not elderly, but he's an older man. Why wouldn't you go with your buds? It doesn't have any friends at all, any, doesn't she? I mean, I think we know the answer to this. So what happened over there in the UK is she made sure that she was caught on camera with the one celebrity friend she appears to have over in England. And it is the person who is arguably as nasty as she is, Ellen DeGeneres. I mean, the absolute irony of picking to show everybody like, "I have friends, I'm a girls girl that one of the nastiest people in showbiz, it's just perfect. It's on point." So, "Oh, oh, surprise! They just happen to be caught on camera while she's out with Ellen DeGeneres, neither of whom treats their staff well. Ellen DeGeneres won't let her staff look her in the eye." That's why she got canceled for being a bully. It finally came out. We all knew. Those of us who were in the TV industry knew she was a nasty bitch. For years, we just kept our mouths shut, but we understood all that dancing is a fake. She's a bitch. And it was just a matter of time before it came out, which it did, and then her show got canceled. So now she fled to the UK, she hates brothers and Trump, really, it's because everyone hates her. She's been outed. Nobody wants to hire her anymore. How did it is that much of a nasty person? They don't want anything to do with you. And by the way, they'll know. Eventually, it does come out. I will tell you this, somebody, Chi, I don't know who it could have been, had a very nasty article planted about me allegedly being this kind of a boss when I was at NBC. And let's just say not getting along with the management there. And I laughed when that report got planted because I knew I knew such a thing could never be sustained. I knew I treat my employees well. I'm tough for sure. I have exacting standards and everybody knows that, but my staff loves me. That's why they've all been with me for 10, 15, 20 years that I knew it wouldn't stick. When you are actually this way, it will stick. That's why Ellen had to flee to the UK. That's why Meghan Markle probably had to flee that many other reasons. But no one wants to work for her. How many publicists have she and Harry been through? So I wonder what they talk about. The little people they can't fucking stand. How glad they are to be away from their stupid staffs who never understood them. I don't know, but here's what's so great about it. She is over there trying to show us that she's an A-lister because she's with an A-lister. I don't think we can call Ellen Generous and he lists the Liberty at all. I think she is sea-list at best and that's what she's doing this week. Guess what wills and Kate were doing last night? They were with Tom Cruise and David Beckham at the opening of Tom Cruise's latest movie, Digger. Kate looked resplendent, it's not a word you say every day, but she looked resplendent in this stunning gown which was a little low cut for the princess that she doesn't normally wear that low cut, but she had on one of the crown jewels. It looks like the heart of the ocean, ladies, does it not look like the heart of the ocean? It's in the shape of a heart, it's as big as the heart of the ocean from Titanic. It's a different color stone, but it's stunning. It's got to be an amethyst and she is glowing. She looks amazing. Tom Cruise is looking up to these two, he's, you know, it's tough. I'm sure to impress Tom Cruise, but they must have done it because they both look stunning. They're with actual A-list celebrities.
And these two losers are worrying about failed teleprompters, the fears against the end of the world and trying to make ourselves look important by hanging out with fellow bullies. How low can you go? Now at the same time, Harry is reportedly telling his friends he's going to leave unless he gets this taxpayer funded security. His uncle, Earl Spencer, is still pushing the lies about Diana having been killed by the paparazzi. Diana was killed by her driver who was drunk. But in any event, he's got some advice for Harry and Meghan in sort five. Do you think Diana would identify with the attention, the focus that has been put on them? And with Meghan who said she felt like she was the most trolled person in the world. If you look at an article in a tabloid about Diana or the couple that you are mentioning Harry and Meghan, they can be really, really unpleasant. And I think it would be really beholden on people to learn from Diana's example, I'm not here to speak for Harry and Meghan, but for anyone who's being destroyed in this way daily. It must be such a cancerous influence in their life. God to be kidding me. She wants nothing more than to be covered in every newspaper and tabloid magazine here and in the UK. She just wants to dictate what's actually in the print copy. That's it. No, it's not devastating. It's not hard. It's not torture. And your sister didn't think that either. They love it. She loves it. She absolutely needs it to feel relevant and like she matters. That's why she too has been trying to get herself and her coverage out there since she connected with the Duke and before. The Duke of Sussex, that's Harry. So that's pathetic. I don't think Earl Spencer understands what's happening with that nephew at all or he does and he's being willfully obtuse. All right, I have to move on. There is an update today in connection with the death of Presley Gerber. TMZ is reporting that a doctor was prescribing him ketamine, which is a very serious drug, despite his known history, they're right, of problems with ketamine, according to people close to him. His friends reportedly believe the doctor should face consequences. I mean, this is pretty remarkable. They report sources with direct knowledge, say a doctor continued giving Gerber ketamine, even though he had a documented history of issues with it while ketamine is sometimes used off label in addiction treatment. That is not its primary FDA approved purpose. It's still unknown what drugs might have been in Presley's system when he died, just that he opened up about the issues with ketamine to close friends before he passed away. Sources who had contact with Presley in his final few hours told TMZ, he looked like he was under the influence at the rehab center. The source of the alleged drugs is still being investigated and police have interviewed other rehab patients. That confirms that there is a police investigation underway now into the death of Presley Gerber, who gave him the drugs, what doctor was giving him ketamine. We saw that in connection with the Matthew Perry death. The TMZ is also reporting that the situation is drug comparisons to Matthew Perry's 2023 death in which prescribed ketamine played a role. The doctor in that case who prescribed that drug was charged and found guilty and punished. This absolutely is on the table. There could be a criminal charge in connection with Presley Gerber's death if they find this ketamine played a role and that this doctor was inappropriately prescribing. This drug to somebody who had had an addiction to it or addictive problems around it. We know he was an addict and he said opioids were his thing. He also had a DUI and had a problem with alcohol, though in that update he did from the sauna in November 2025. He said he hadn't had a drink since his birthday, which was July 2nd. I don't know that alcoholic is the case, but generally with a drug addict, you can't do either. Same for an alcoholic. You can't do intoxicating substances. What doctor was giving him prescribing him ketamine? By the way, ketamine in my understanding is one of those drugs you do one time under the care of a psychiatrist who will give it to you. You'll have kind of a trip that's supposed to be life-changing, psilocybin is another one, and then you're supposed to go on your merry way. I don't think this is something you're supposed to be doing regularly, especially if you've got substance abuse issues with this drug as TMZ is reporting. They say his known history of problems with the substance according to people close to him. So this is just terrible. There's a report in People magazine. I mean, it doesn't really feel like news, but Cindy Crawford is, quote, "heartbroken" and completely in shock over the death of her son. I completely believe that who wouldn't be. They described that Cindy and her husband, Randi, Presley's parents, as saddened beyond words. Kaya loved that Presley was so open about his struggles. His family was so proud that he was finding strength and helping others. I believe that too. Then a source said this was never a situation involving two absent Hollywood parents. Cindy and Randi could not have been more supportive of Presley. Okay. I believe that. They seem like a close family. There's tons of pictures on the social media of them at this lake house that they used to go to. She's on record with Vogue magazine, that was kind of their go-to getaway. Their home in Malibu, which is on the ocean, was stunning. You can see some of his videos were from there. Kaya Gerber said that Cindy was the glue that helped the family together. She pointed out because they had Sunday night dinners together, pizza. I mean, I'm not sure what the story is there, but ideally we'd be talking about more than just one night a week, but that could have been a reference to once the kids became older, in which case it would be a total win when my kids are 25 and 27, though this is a few years ago. So let's call it 22 and 24. I'll be thrilled if they're still coming over once a week for dinner. So I don't know what the context was, but I don't think most people, and certainly not I have criticized the parents as not being loving. I think they are loving, at least it seems. It's the fact that he was living a good life that was seemingly making him happy according to his own statements, and then age 14 was thrust into the modeling world, and his parents allowed him at age 14 and then full bore at 15 to walk the runways all around the world. To become a full-time model, according to him, that he was traveling nonstop, and he was all over the world as the face of major brands, and he was no longer surfing, and he was no longer doing water polo, and he was no longer doing the things that made him happy. And that is what he said. I'm not gleaning anything. This is what came from his mouth. And I'm sure nobody's having more recriminations over that than Cindy Crawford and Randy Gerber. This incredibly sad, my only hope is that they'll speak about it when they can. Okay, before we turn the page, we've got to talk about Sonny Austin. She's decided to out herself as having been the holdout juror in a case involving a cannibal. She, like the holdout juror in Clancy, wanted, she was the one holdout, but she wanted not guilty by reason of insanity. And she turned it, she got it. She got that verdict, she turned all the 11 jurors so that this cannibal could go to a mental institution in New York. She's just outing this about herself for the first time. Look at this. >> I thought absolutely that she was not criminally responsible by reason of insanity. And the reason I felt that, I feel so strongly about this holdout jurors, because I was a holdout juror in a case. The Daniel Rackowicz case, I don't know if people remember it, the butcher of Tomkin Square Park. It was in 1999. >> The guy who ate the victims? >> Yes. >> He was, I'm not jury. >> Yes, and I put it up at the hot topics meeting. I don't think everyone believed me, and then my producer looked it up, and I'm in the New York Times. And apparently several jurors questioned afterwards that one holdout juror was principally responsible for preventing them from returning a guilty verdict. That was B, and it was because I saw clearly that he was psychotic. >> Of course. >> He was in a psychosis, he did not mean to kill her, and once he killed her, he panicked. He chopped up her body parts, yes, boiled her body parts, tried to commit the perfect crime, and then fed her. >> And you got this guy off? >> No. No. But he fed, that's how much I believe in the insanity defense, and he fed her body parts to the unhoused. >> Excuse me, can I move over? >> Yes, I don't need to be around, but all that being said, it was so clear to me in the jury room. And we were sequestered for nine days, one juror threw a chair at me, they were so angry with me. But one by one, I picked them off and said, what about this, what about that? And we ended up all 12 years ago.
and unanimously voting that he was not criminally responsible by reason, but he is still in a mental institution being treated. >> OMG, and you're proud of this. You got this cannibal who fed body parts to homeless people into a nicer, next 50 years and you feel really good about that, I don't, Jeffrey Dahmer did not get a not guilty by reason of insanity. Jeffrey Dahmer had to go into a jail and serve time, didn't end well for him there. How are we proud of this? She believed he was in psychosis. Even the guy didn't want to argue that he was in psychosis, the defendant in that case, but she decided he belonged in a mental institution. Well good for you, yet another terrible thing Sonny Austin has done for society. Okay, enough about her, there's a lot more to get to and we're going to do that when the first time guests of the MK show Chaz Palmentari joins us. I cannot wait to talk to him, there are so many things to go over, you're going to love him. 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That's a-r-m-r-a.com/megen. I'm so happy to be joined by a first time guest on this show, who I am a huge fan of. Chaz Paulmentary is an actor, writer, director, with a fascinating life story. We're going to get into all of it. Chaz, welcome to the show. It's good to be here, man. It's wonderful to have you. Okay. There's so much I want to go over. Sure. So, you actually were raised in the Bronx, so a Bronx tale is absolutely genius. This is your movie and play, but there's a reason you were able to write it so well. You lived it. I lived it. Yeah. Well, my real name is colloge roll. The Renzo Parliamentary. Wow. I grew up in the Bronx, you know? Sicilian. I was supposed to say it. 100%. As my father would say, you're 100% Sicilian. I always tell people. I go, all right. I'll tell people. You know? Yeah. I was born and raised there. And really, Megan has started from when I was nine years old. I was sitting on a stoop and the, you know, I'm just, in this guy, I saw these two cars trying to fight over a pocket space and one guy got out with a baseball bat and smashed the window and the other guy. And then his friend came over to help the guy got hit with the bat and killed the guy with the bat, you know? In front of me, from here to the end of the table, and I kind of looked at him and he looked at me. Next minute, I knew my father dragged me up the steps, cops came, because people kept saying the little boy was on the stoop, he saw it and I didn't rat. I just said, no, I didn't see anything. How did you know not to rat even at that tender age, you knew? Oh, yeah. It was a code. It was a code. Yeah. You say you grew up in a tough neighborhood, but a great neighborhood. Great neighborhood. Oh, I wouldn't trade my child for nothing. What was it that was great? Why did you love a tough neighborhood? It was a tough neighborhood, because there was a, you see, and people always accuse these Italian neighborhoods of being racists. And were there racists guys there? Yes. Were there racists, parents there? Yes. But basically, a lot of the people did, this is all we had. It was our neighborhood, it was our town, it was our turf. And we don't want anybody coming in it for whatever reason. It was like, some of it was racists, but some of it was more, hey, this is ours. We want to keep it this way, you know, and I was never racist. My dad, he was a bus driver, but he was also a professional flight trainer. He trained fighters and a bunch of his fighters were black at the time. And this is in the '60s. My father would have black fighters come to my house, my apartment, and the neighbors would say, what do you know? Lorenzo, what are you doing? Who are these guys at? And he said, no, they're good guys, I trained them, you know. So I grew up really not being prejudice at all, where some of my friends were, and I wasn't. And I was just, I was an honest. I was this guy, I was this like, for a better word, I was this street tough guy, but I was trapped in this honest body where I wrote poetry, I wrote, you know, I wanted to be an actor, I wanted to be a writer. So I was like, you know, different than, oh, out of my friends. Mm-hmm. There was a romantic streak to you. Yes. Yes. So you grew up in this neighborhood, and the mob is there for Christmas. And this character, Sunny, that's, becomes so famous in the textile that everybody falls on love with. He's a mobster with a heart with like an ethical code, which is something about the Mafia that has been portrayed in other movies, this ethical code that they follow. Right. You know, as strange as it may seem. Yes. These tough guys with hearts are, they're icons of American film for a reason. Yes. Like seeing that. Yes. And Sunny would become, in fact, this mobster who was involved in that murder that you just talked about. Exactly. A mentor to you in real life. Yes. See, the thing that made a Bronx feel so, you know, a classic and so many people talk about it and write about it is because Sunny and my father told me the same thing. They were just different people. It's not black against evil, good against, it's gray against gray. My father was saying you've got to stay in school and make, you know, the saddest thing in life is the way he said talent. That was my dad. Don't waste your talent. And Sunny's going, hey, get out of this neighborhood. Do something with your life. If you stay here, you hang out with those guys, you're going to get hurt. So he said the same thing. But what makes this story so unique is my father. My father said it doesn't matter what Sunny says by hanging around them, you will be drawn to that life or you will get hurt just being in their vicinity. And I couldn't understand that. The mobsters, it's like, Sunny didn't want you hanging around with your derelict friends. Right. And your dad didn't want you hanging around with Sunny exactly. And his derelict colleagues. Yes. But you will get in a jackpot, they call it, by being with those people. And it's true. Sometimes, look, by just being there, and if you remember the bike of fight. This is the greatest scene known to man. Right. We actually have a cute look because it's my husband's and my favorite scene of the front. It's the greatest. And people try to imitate it. I know. Did you see they imitated it on Yellowstone? I see that a lot. The Yellowstone, you know, Dutton Ranch, whatever. Yeah. You know, I can't believe it. But you know, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. Oh, but that's incredible. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. No, because I could have got hurt there. I could have got hurt when there was another thing that happened with somebody shot at the windows in the club. But I was in there. I could have died. So my father was correct about all of this. It doesn't matter. He says, sometimes, sometimes you can't see what, when you use this famous line was, when you get older, you'll understand. When I was young, I didn't understand that sometimes evil, I don't want to say that we're evil, but it's not so recognizable that you have to get older to understand. Well, wait a minute. Gee, I could have got hurt. And now that I'm old, I go, wow. Your dad used to say the saddest thing in life is ways to tell it. And my mom used to say, she's also Italian, stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about. Right. And my father said that too. Not as inspirational about your dad. My father said that, and my mother said that. We were from Calitri, which is by Naples, on my mom's side in the van. My wife is from, my wife is from, right near Naples, it's called the town called Santasania. We have a house there now, and it's beautiful. Sounds awesome. Yeah. Well, okay. So back to your, because I want to get into a Bronx tale too, but just I want to set that foundation for you where we get there. So you're a kid in the Bronx with a romantic streak. You're into like your English lit class and you're writing poetry. My best subject. And you're not thinking that you're very smart because you would later realize that you were dyslexic, very dyslexic until that one teacher saw something in you. Yes. So who was that? And what did that do for you? That was my English, English lit class. And when I was in college, and it Bronx community college, like this is not, we're not at Harvard. Oh, we're not at Harvard at all. Yeah. I mean, I, no, I, I didn't, because my high, my grades in high school were like just passing. Chris, I didn't, it was hard for me. I couldn't understand why I thought I could speak to people intellectually, but I, it was hard for me to do work. And I never realized it to like, my son got diagnosed with dyslexic, then I went, whoa, hold on. Wait a minute. I said, could you tell me that again? I said, that was me. And she goes, you're the dyslexic. And once you test, I said, you're the dyslexic, she said, and I was like, because back then they called you dumb. They weren't doing this testing. - No, they thought I was dumb, yeah. But there was something about that.
English liquorice and I'll never forget it, it was a short, I get the chills there every time I think of it, it was a short story written by DH Lawrence called the Rocking Horse. And I read it and then they said we wanted to do a paper on the whole thing and I just read it and I just, I was able to see the metaphors in the whole thing and I wrote it out. And then he said, he got up and he said, uh, Mr. Palmyteria, I want to read it and I read it. And he said, that's, that was the best metaphor and I'm like, I am a little smart. Yeah. Maybe I'm not dumb. Maybe I'm not dumb. And while you had been going through this upbringing and the neighborhood and sunny and your dad, the bus driver and all that, your mom, yeah, who was very loving. Yes. And your parents loved each other. Who loved each other was taking you to the movies. Yes. My mom always takes me to the movies when I was very young. I remember seeing around the world in 80 days and I remember the colors, the technical color. And then I would, I would constantly go to movies and I, and I used to watch the wise guys on the street. I would imitate them like, I was a very good mimic. I could imitate the wise guys and that was, I wanted to be an actor, you know, I wanted to write. I first have that thought. Probably about 10-11. Oh, wow. Okay. 10-11. Was that an acceptable thing to say in the Bronx? You know, you just said like a guy, I want to be an actor, you know, guys would say that, but I really wanted to be an actor and I wanted to write. And I wrote poetry in high school and I found some of them recently and some of them, well, not bad. Someone not good. But, you know, but I always had this like, I could always see beyond, it was, I always felt like I was looking through a lens and watching people. Was it hard to memorize lines if you have dyslexia? That I had to work very hard at it. Yeah. And the way I worked at it was I would say the line in tape recorder, I would say, I would say that person's line in a tape recorder, then leave a space, then read my line, say that person's line in a cassette play at what I, and then wait and then say, so then I would learn lines by hitting the tape recorder and then the person would say, so order, I would memorize it, order. It would say the line to me and then I say my line and then I wait till the actual line came out if I had it right or correct. Oh, okay. And I still learn it that way. Really? Yes. You majored in drama. Yes. Okay. So you definitely did want to be an actor. Yes. And now you're realizing I may have a talent in writing and storytelling. Yes. And then you graduate and it's like, it's not that dissimilar from when I decided I wanted to break into news where you're like, but I have no connections. It's a competitive industry. Yes. I don't know anybody. Right. And so you decided maybe to pay the bills, I'm a tall guy from the Bronx. I'm not a fight. I'm going to be a bastard. I said, all right. You made a lot of money. Stop doing this now. (Laughs) Go back to Fox Megan. We wound up going a different route. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. Anyway. the card up. And I looked at that. I said, you know, if they won't give me a great part, I'll write one myself. I got back in the car and went to thrifty drugs, though. I got five tapes of legal paper. And I said, what am I going to write? I said, I'm going to write about sunny, the killing. I said, I'm going to write a one man show. I'm going to play all the posts. I'm going to show people like right now. So I started writing. And each week, I will perform at the studio at where I was studying. And I'll do 10 minutes, 15 minutes, throw out five minutes, add five more, edit this, put it down. At the end of 10 months, I had 90 minutes of this one man show. I borrowed money off my friend, a legitimate guy who won the limelight where I used to work in Manhattan. And he let me money. I found a young producer, I put the money into the thing. Well, I had it was the chair as a set. And I did the show. And I got a five minute standing ovation. And I was like, holy smokes. What the hell is this? I knew it was going to be under something. Right. And then I performed it. I got more money. I performed it at a theater for five weeks. And the reviews came out at the time at the LA Times. It was like, it was like these, what they wrote about me was like insane. You know, embarrassed what they said. Never we have never seen this. It's and all the people were coming. Every big, every, every Hollywood producer, director, writer, filmmaker, studio head, Buccino came, Nicholson came, Burt Reynolds came, Redford came, they all wanted to play Sonny. Oh, you say that's what they came. Okay. And the studio came because they wanted the piece. So they could use one of them. And so we have to like two weeks, they offered me 250,000. And that was the first, that was the hardest offer, the 250,000. Because Megan, that came out of nowhere. And that's a fortune. It was a fortune. I had 200 dollars in the bank left. Oh, so 250,000. I was like, I said, well, give me a, they said, you got 24 hours. Otherwise, this won't be a year. I said, okay, I hung up. I call my mother for that. I said, mom, dad, I want to help you. But I, you know, they don't want, they want to just take you. They don't want me in it. And my mother father said, son, you do what you want. Don't worry about us. I said, thanks, mom. And I hung up and I called them back. And I said, no, I have to play Sonny. I have to write it. They said, forget it. They hung up. So I went back. I did the shows crowds. Blinds around the corner, Megan, finally, two weeks later to call back, 500,000. Oh gosh. Now I don't care. Really? Now it's numbers. That was easy. The 250 was the hardest. Oh, that, the 500 sounds hard too though. No, no, 250 was the hardest. This is an LA. This is on. Okay. I said, now, I play, now, I go, now, right? Finally, I sign up. William Mars is attacking me. They want me here. I see him over, over it. Yeah. Yeah. My goal is at the time that he wanted me. Don't everybody wants me. I'll take out beer. They wanted me, Megan. I'm not talking to him. No, this is great. I'll tell you how bad they wanted me. The three agencies were after me. They wanted me, right? Finally, I was deciding I would visit each one of them. Finally, the one in William Mars said, oh, you got an appointment, a two. I said, well, I can't be there. Why can't you be there or two? I said, well, because I have my car. It's overheating. I said, I have to wait until it went down because my car overheating. We'll get right back to you. Hangs up the phone. I said, what the hell? What's that about? 45 minutes later, knock on the door. I opened up the doors. This little guy there, and a brown, you know, for me, goes, you transparent theory? I go, yeah. It was coming to me. I walked down, I go in the parking lot. Well, he's broken down cars all over the world. I'm with all these actors. And in the middle of the parking lot, it's a 1989 Cadillac El Dorado, black saddle interior. He says here, William Mars got this for you. Don't be late. What? I thought you were going to say he was your driver. It gave me the keys. He said, William Mars said, this is for you. Don't be late for the meeting. That's incredible. I call it Lee Cohen. In Fred West time, I go, what's going on? They said, Dan, we just don't want you to be late. We released the for you for two years. I said, I know, but I didn't decide. They said, that's okay. You go, whatever you want. But you went with them. I won't. Yeah, good call. And well, so then eventually they up to the harbor. Then I got with them. And then they said, we have another offer come with us. And I went to this big meeting with this very famous, I guess I could say it. I was Rob Reiner. Oh, yeah. It was Castle Rock. God rest this soul. Of course, I love you. Great, great, great directive. And Alan, Alan Horn was a great guy. Great, great organist. Anyway, they were all for me a million dollars. They said, if you sign this big by. But once again, not starring you and you don't get to write it. Well, I said, the first thing I said was there a men's room here? And he said, yes, when I write a video, I said, all right, I'll be right on. I went into the executive men's room. I looked in the mirror and I flushed my hands, put my hands on my face and I put my hand on my court, my pocket. And I took out my father's car. But some reason I took it. I don't know why. I went fuck it. I put my hand back on my pocket. I went out. I said, look, I said, I'll sign that paper, but I play sunny. I write this replay. They said, can't do it, jazz. Why? Well, he was, I mean, I could understand what they said. He was very on. They couldn't make a big movie. Like at that time, it was a $25, $30 million movie with me as the star. Yeah, that's, I mean, the sunny is the star of the movie. Yeah. So I do understand what they were saying. They wanted a redford or they wanted, yeah, but you know, they all want to do it. So it makes more sense. I said, well, but I own it. I wrote it. No. So I'm walking out and he said to me, goes, what makes you? He goes, you know, this movie, you'll never get done, jazz. I said, you're right. It won't with you. But it'll get done. And he said, why? I said, because it's too damn good. And I left. And two weeks later, I did the show, and I got off. And somebody said, Robert the Nero's in the addressing room. I said, Robert the Nero's in my dress. And they said, yeah, well, down stairs. I walked in the dressing room and Bob was sitting there. And he said, you said, wow, he said, that's a great show. He loved the show. And he was very smart. He goes, if you sell it, they're going to come to me anyway. You know that, right? So I said, yeah, I know, but I'm not selling it, Bob. He said, I know. He said, but I'll tell you what we'll do. He said, you should play Sonny. You'll be great as Sonny. And you should write it, because it'll be honest and truthful. He goes, I'll play your father and I'll direct it. And if you shake my hands, that's the way it'll be. I shook his hand. And that's how the movie got made. That's incredible. That's the whole story. The film is thought by some to be a mob movie. Yes, it's not. But it's not a mob. It's a family movie. It's a family movie and a coming of age story. And it's about, I think mentorship and a man, you know, good men and how they influence younger men to be. Right. And Sonny was a good man with the very complicated dark street. He was a power doctor. Yeah, he wasn't all good, but he wasn't all bad. I mean, I'm not saying that Sonny was this saint. Yeah. Sonny killed people. He did. And he maybe he ordered to kill people. I don't know that for a fact. I can't say. But his crew was some of the baddest people you've ever seen. But Sonny was a human being. He was funny, funny as hell. And and he had a heart. Now people have asked me in interviews that I've done years later, Megan. And they said, why do you think Sonny did that with you? And I don't know that he took you under his wing. Yeah, I protected you. He didn't take you under to make you a mobster. No, he wanted the opposite for you. In fact, he told other people to stay away from his kid. Yeah, kid's good kid. He used to say, it's good killing him alone. Sonny bothered him. He's good kid. I think and maybe it's me romanticizing again, my mind that he looked at me like I was his penance in life. Like if I'm ever going to do anything good in this world, I'm going to save this kid and make him something from this neighborhood. From yes, it was a great neighbor. And many people came out of that neighborhood. Some of my closest friends became, you know, big lawyers and doctors and everything, but some a lot didn't ended up the street got to them. You know, so but he said, no, I'm going to and some of my friends were bad guys. Some of them were great guys. But at any moment, you could be one of the bad guys and be stuck in a jackpot. Like, I didn't mean to be here, you know. So, this scene we referenced earlier is many people's faces.
favorite scene at this point out, and it's unforgettable. It involves Sonny, played by Chaz, and there's the young kid in it, Cologaro, who goes by C, that's your name, but he's in the scene as well, and he's watching how Sonny handles this gang of bikers who come in, and I'll just let the scene play out. Let's watch it. The toast, who are you all, and the name of the bar that Sonny and I are going to go. He's working well, look at all of it, you get all of it. Hey. Oh, you again, huh? That was very nice. He's got to leave. I'll tell you when the fuck we leave, alright? Get the fuck away. You watch the bikes, man. Now you can't leave. I will never forget to look on their faces, all eight of them, their faces dropped. All their courage and strength was drained right from their bodies. They had a reputation for breaking up bars, but they knew that incident, they made a fatal mistake. This time, they walked into the wrong bar. Now you can't leave once they disrespect his worker, him, his establishment, but he gave him a chance. First, he gave them a chance. He gave them a chance. Then there's a second iteration where he comes over and he says, you need to leave and they won't. They won't. And then the last resort is violence about the other mobsters come out and beat the hell out of them. See, the logic of wise guys is, and the people go, gee, they're so nice, they're so nicer. The reason why I'm making this so nice, because I know that psychology is, I'm going to be so nice to you that you're going to have to be nice to me. And if you're not nice to me, after I'm so nice to you, I am going to be so violent that it's going to justify my violence, what you did to me. That is, there's psychology. Can I say, like when you were saying that without the violence part, it kind of reminds me of Trump, you know, he's usually very nice when he first meets you. And if you then do something to him, he thinks is nasty. And as a reporter, you always do, because there are negative things he has to do. Then he turns and he's like a dog with a bone, you know, you can't let go of it. It's the same sort of honor code without killing people. Right. If I am, what the wise guy thinks, if I am so good to you and you betray that trust, then I'm going to be just equally as violent to you and that's, and that's what happened there. I mean, don't forget. I mean, these guys were tough. These bike is back then, but there were no match for these guys. These guys were like, you're talking about guys have been an addict for 10 years, 20 years. What are you going to do to them? No. Either stay away or apologize. What are you going to do? You know, Megan, they're not like you and I, we have, we have a family, we have children, we have, we have a life. Yeah. They can't wait to show sunny that I'm worth this money you're paying me. They can't wait, or they live for stuff like this. You know, they live for that. They're not worried at all about the fight with the biker gang. Oh, this is like, this is, as they would say, a butterfly is belch. You know, it's like, it's like nothing. Well, so, I want to point out that you've now renewed the one man show version of a bronch tail, and I couldn't figure out how that would look because I'd never seen you do that. But I pulled a clip, wait, what were you going to say? I'm going to say that I still do it. I do it all over. Yes. And then I should come because I would love to have your husband and we will be there. Or your children. All of us. Yes. My kids love to bronch tail. How old are they? Now they're 17, 15 and 13. Oh, I mean, that's perfect ages to see this because it's really, it's just something that people should see. So many good lessons in it. People bring their kids. Yeah. No, they've seen the movie. So that I would love to bring them to the one man show, but we did, I did find you doing it on YouTube. Yeah. And told my team to cut a bit of this so people can see how it looks as the one man version. Let's watch. Give me those dice. Give me those dice. Come on, baby. You can do it. Let's put some money down. We put some real money. Real money. Jojo. Jojo, you're breathing all over me. You want to back up, Jojo? Back up. Come on. Back up. Back up over there. Come on, kid. We're going to do it. Put some money down, baby. Give me a seven. No. Hey. No good. Eddie Mosh. No good. I don't want your money. Touch on my money. Eddie Mosh. I don't want your money in the same neighborhood as my money. Jimmy, come here. Get Eddie Mosh. Lock him in the bathroom. What? I don't give a shit. You don't want to go. Put him in. I'm on a win street case. Kill him. Kill him. He's going to kill me. Get him out of here. I don't want to move my money near my money. Come on, baby. You can do it. Give me a seven, baby. Give me seven. Okay, Sunny. Okay. Show. Seven. Look at this, kid. See your winner. Pass those dice down. Pass them down. Come on, baby. Let's put some more money down. That scene is in the movie. Yeah. And it's Sunny getting to meet C. Right. For the first time who is rolling the right dice. I do the whole movie. Like the whole movie. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you do that? Because like, how do you interact? Yeah. You have to see it. You have to see it. You have to see it. You have to see it. Okay. Well, this was not the first introduction I had to Chas Pulmentary. But a Bronx Tale. I found that after. For many people starting a fitness routine, going to the gym without a clear goal or structure, often leads to random exercises and minimal progress. Well, traditional personal training offers structured strength training. It can often be cost prohibitive and difficult to fit into your busy schedule. This is where the ladder app comes in. Ladder like a ladder that you climb. It will transform your daily routine. 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It's a Woody Allen film and the basic premise is that this mobster wants his girlfriend to be cast in the lead role of a John Cusack who's kind of Woody Allen character play, but she's terrible. But the mobster is going to fund the movie. So John Cusack, unlike Uchez, did not hold to his principles. He takes the money. He casts the terrible mob girlfriend as the lead and or one of the lead characters. And then the mobster wants you, the bodyguard to watch her to watch her and make sure everything's okay. It's just the funniest twist ever. I'm not giving anything away really. But the mobster loves the theater and doesn't appreciate this girlfriend's acting at all. He realizes it's so close to me. See, Woody says he will born to play this jazz. He goes, "You or this guy who's grew up in the streets, you know, what the word he used, whatever." The genius playwright who doesn't realize he's a writer. And he just says, "I know, say this, say that." And Cusack looks at him. And he says, "How could you. " He never let anybody add lip, but he let you add lip. He let me add lip. He let a few people add me and Jennifer and a couple of them. He would only let a few people add lip. But he knew that I knew the milieu. So he said, "Let's go, go, go." So it's such a clever premise that this tough mobster is sitting there annoyed with the character played by Jennifer Tilly because she was terrible. And she's like, "She's ruined in the play." And then let's just say he realizes he has to do something about it. But wait, we've got a clip, let's watch it. I'm not making a fool of myself. All right, it stinks. Oh, Jesus, another party heard from. It's a stupid way of talking and nobody talks like that. I don't believe this is happening. When I watch your opinion, I will ask for it. Listen, I can't stand to listen to this God. But every day I sit back there and I hear the same bullshit over and over again. Then leave because no one asked you here. Where did you study playwriting? Was it Sing Sing?
He's been said by brutal pitfalls. Hey, Alive, I memorized it. And I'm telling you, it comes to me all the time. And it stinks on fucking hot ice. That's it, I quit, I quit, I quit, I quit. - Please, I have a little hangover. - Okay, wait, then there's another one we have cut. By the way, Diane Weist was one of the gems of that movie. - Yeah, she won the Academy Award for that. - She did, did she win, I thought that. - She won, yeah, and we all don't speak, don't speak. Don't speak, and I'll tell you something funny about that movie. We all got nominated so did Jennifer. It got about 10 nominations, the movie. And through the host movie, Diane keeps going, don't speak, don't speak. And I said, I go, Diane, I love that line, it's so funny. I said, I'm gonna say that. She was, how could you say it? She was, you're a totally different character. You can't say that line, I go, I'll find a spot. I'm gonna say that line. And if you remember the movie, when I die at the very end, I go, I said the ending. I go say, "Sylvia posted, it was pregnant. It'll make a great ending." And I die. And Woody went, "Cut, oh, he got her by his uploading." That's a wrapy. I go, "No, no, Woody, let me do one more." And he goes, "No, no, Chance, we have it." I go, "Just one more, please, Woody." For me, one more. He goes, "All right, set it up, you can do it again, right?" So we do it again, I lay down. And I go, "John Kusak's over me." And I go, "Tell Sylvia postman, she's pregnant. It'll make a great ending." And John's just about to open his mouth. I go, "Don't speak." I did not remember that. Don't speak. And then I die. And he kept it. And he went, "Cut, the whole place is hysterical laughing." And Woody comes on and he goes, "You left it in." She's so, she says, "Over there, dramatic. Thesby, and she's, she's having a fair with Chance Kusak. Don't speak, don't speak. Don't speak. Well, my husband and I say that to each other all the time in jest. Here's another scene between you and Jennifer Tilly, also known as "All of" in The Flick. We can do it. And you see, you're living out the exact same pattern. Your mother lived out with your father. I am? Break tell. In some way, you're trying to relive it. And in the process of reliving it, correct it. Because if that were possible, hi. Don't say hi. I don't say hi out of that. What do you mean you added that? I added, I added, we're not having. How could you just add something to that? You're not having things. It's called add living. You can't do that. I can do that. What do you know? You don't know nothing. Shut up and read. I think the whole thing stinks. I think you're a degenerate zombie. Shut up and read. You shut up. You shut up and read. Shut up. You shut up. You had to be dying laughing at the end of the scene. That was old. I loved that one. Really? Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure that scene was old. That's incredible. And so, when you auditioned for Woody Allen for this film though, he was not telegraphing that he thought you were a genius. Actually not. No, I just went in there to audition and he just said, thank you. That was it. So you must have thought? So I worked out. I went well. That thing goes to well. Yeah. And he called me back and he said, I want to see you again. I said, oh great. And when you walk in, you don't even see him. He's all the way in the corner with a little light on him. And you're in this big dark room and I read and he went, thank you. The second time? The second time? Same thing. The same thing. The same thing. I left. And I called my agent and he said, Woody loves you. You got the pot. I was like, wow. Okay. Yeah. Were you stunned? Yeah. I was like, wow. Great. What was he like as a director? Great director. Great director. Great writer. I mean, look, he wrote a great script. Him and Doug McGrath wrote a great script. And I used to love to say what he wrote, but once in a while, he would say, nah, nah, say what you want once in a while. You know? So I said, all right. I said, but let me do what you wrote first and then I'll play around because he wrote a great script. You know? And he was a great director. He did one thing to me where I went, there's a line I have. And John Kuh, I say to Kuh's access to me, you burn your school down and I said, I was Lincoln's birthday. You know, it was nobody there. You know? So when I said the line, I went, it was Lincoln's birthday. There was nobody there where he stops and he comes out. Now he never talks to you while you, it very rarely ever says anything. And he goes, Chaz, why are you posing for it? I said, it's such a great line. It's a great joke. I said, I love the joke, you know? He goes, nah, it's funny here if you don't pose. And I went, okay. And I did the line again. I said, I was Lincoln's birthday, there was nobody there. He was right. Wow. He was the stand-up comedian for years. Very smart. People didn't realize that about what he, I mean, he's still alive, but I shouldn't speak about it. Very, very smart. But that's how he got to start as a stand-up comic. Knows comedy. The timing. Timing. Really, really, very genius, genius smart, like genius smart. So what were the differences, would you say, when you think of like the way De Niro directed you in your own film that came from your heart and your life and the way Woody Allen directed you in a film that he wrote? Well, Woody doesn't talk to you at all except for something like that. In fact, they say if Woody talks to you and continues to talk to you, you're going to be fired. You're going to get replaced. Wow. So you don't want him to talk to you? So he hires actors, he trusts. He trusts. Exactly. He hires actors, he trusts, lets them go, go, do what you got it. Okay. Where Bob was different, Bob hires actors, he trusts, but Bob, like Woody likes to hire real people. In Bronx Hill, me, Bob and Joe Pescia, the only actors in the movie. Wow. Everybody else is from the street. The kid who plays C, the young version of you is so authentic. So the one of them? Yeah. They're all. I just didn't wind up that great for him, he said some trouble with the law. He had some trouble with the law, he went away for 10 years, which and now I hear that he's on recovery and he's doing great and he's helping other people, which is fantastic. That's good. Do you ever keep in touch with like the young actors from that film? Some of the young actors I do. I mean, to say the thing about Megan that's so ironic, this kid was in the quintessential movie about not wasting your life and that's exactly what he did. Yeah. You know, of course, the truth is Hollywood for young people, it's bad. Me and Bob even talked about it when he was 16 and he made that movie. We said, Bob, I hope we didn't, you know, curse this kid, you know, well, I don't think it's your responsibility. No. It's the family, you know, the parents, you know, we were just talking about this this week. In the death of Hayden Pennantier and then we had the death of Presley Gerber. He was in modeling. But these are very toxic industries, music to very toxic, very damaging and very bad people in some pockets of those industries from whom you'd want to protect, you're a dad, protect your children. Absolutely. You know, I don't know. Would you ever put one of your children in child acting? They both are. Not child acting. Yeah. No, that's a different kettle of fish. No, my son is 30 and he's an actor and a singer songwriter, my son, that name, am I daughter? But they have both had to go to college, they both had to go to good colleges and graduate. My son went to Berkeley and my daughter went to University of Michigan in the theater degree and she's been, you know, she's done three moves, she's been on stage. So you got to be, I said, you got to do that. But it's hard for them because when you're, when you're parent is famous, it's difficult. Now, it's like if your child wanted to be a newscaster. I'm sure they could be talented, they always like, oh, your Megan's daughter, your child's son. It's always you have to, they have to deal with that, you know, which is always, but they'll find their way. They'll find their way. Something to live up to. I mean, that's why Nicholas Cage changed his name, right? Because he was a copula. Yeah. But look, nobody's going to hire my child because I said so. That's just not. Yeah. Could I open a door? Yes. Could I say, hey, see my son for this movie, yes, but they're not going to hire him if he's not good. No, if he stinks, forget it. If they have to be better, because already when they're walking into like, oh, it's his kid. Right. What have I gotten saddled with when I go and watch this out? So they have to be even better than everybody. I mean, Tom Cruise has a son who's making it, not Cruise, uh, Hank's, yes, on his own. What do I do? Um, Matthew McConaughey, he's got a boy. He was on our show this year and his kid is doing well. Yes. You know, it can happen. People can get past it. You can get, but you have to get past it in your own head. Yeah. You said, that's the problem. Yeah. In your own head, you got to get past it. I don't, I mean, I would definitely not want to want one of my kids to, to be in one of those industries when they're in, you know, before the age of 18, like just, I agree. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I need to cook. I need to cook. I'm in the age of 30. Yeah. Nobody. I mean, were you surprised when you got to Hollywood of what it was like as like a normal person from the Bronx? Yeah, because I, I, I, I know, I know what helped me navigate through that whole thing with Bronx Hills. First of all, I was 38, 39 when I finally hit it. So I was, you know, I was a seasoned guy who grew up in the street. I was very, you know, I'm smart. You know, nobody was going to pull nothing on me.
You know, don't give me this, you know, trust me with the eyes, not the Hollywood promise. The Hollywood promise. I didn't go for it. They were messing with the wrong person. They were messing with the wrong guy. I met with a very big director and he said, he said, this is before dinner, he says, I want to do, uh, and he's a great guy and a very famous director and he said, I want to do bronx tail. Uh, so I met with him and, and before I met with him, I looked him up on the internet and I saw what school he went to because I like to know people before I meet with them, you know, what they're about, you know. And I, and I trust my eyes because I got x-ray eyes, I could read people. So I sat down when we talked, he told me how much he loved that he saw it. He wanted to make the movie and I said, oh, he says, but I can't make it with you. I'm sorry. I have to use this thought, you know, and I went, I said, oh, yeah. I said, you went to the, you went to NYU, right? Did you go to NYU and he goes, yeah, I said, oh, yeah. And you came out here about eight years ago, after you left college, went, yeah. I said, and you did this movie and it became a very big success. And that's how you got so big and you have this incredible office. Yeah. He said, yes, I said, well, answer me this. Am I, am I allowed the same break that you got? Am I any different than you and you just stand at me and he said, uh, you're right. Good for you. You said I apologize. He goes, oh, this is, but I still can't make the movie and I said, that's all right. I'll make it without you. All right. Stand by. I've got to take a break. We'll do more in the back. Sure. I don't go anywhere. Uh, Chad's commentary. What a great guest. Much more to go over. Don't leave. Results can be so dramatic. They work by lowering blood sugar and reducing appetite. 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Legendary actor, director and writer, Chez Palmentary is back with me now and you got your own podcast going. Yes, the Chez Palmentary show on YouTube, it's on Spotify and Google, it's on it. It's out Mondays, once a week. It's out Mondays at 11 o'clock. Okay. Yeah. What do you talk about? I like to click the guests, I have Tony winners, you know, Grammy winners, Alan Macon, Billy Joel. Wow. I had, I had basketball players, I had Shaq on, I had Bach, I don't think I could fit Shaq in this video. You couldn't come in that door and I have Shaq on, Shaq is a great human being, great guy, Larry Holmes, fighters and then I have neighborhood guys, just like regular neighborhood guys. Like the old neighborhood guys, like not Bedford, my friend Squiggy, no, no, my friend Squiggy and Sandy Blue eyes and all these people. Squiggy and Sandy Blue, no, you hang out with Hillary at all and upstate, no, they live near me not too far, but like, no, I don't. No, you never hang out. I never hang out. Hillary, no. That would be an interesting dinner, I'd love to zoom in on. Yeah. Well, we were talking here in the break and I was asking you whether you're still friends with Robert Jennero and you said, yes, you guys never talk politics. No, no, I don't talk politics at all. I think this is good for friendships. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm on your own personal, some things I do agree with Bob, some things that, you know, I have my own views on, but I never talk politics about that ever. Even before he became so vocal about Trump, you and he didn't talk politics. No, never. I never did that. Don't beat your friendship on that. No, not at all, and I never talk about my friends. You could ask me about Bob as an honest and I'll be more than happy to tell you what a great honest he is, but when it comes to personal lives, I never talk about Bob's personal life or anybody's personal life. I just don't do it. Why would you, to your friends? Don't my friends. That's nobody's business what they do. But I like that. I mean, I, Adam Corolla is a dear friend of mine and, you know, one of his best friends is Jimmy Kimmel, who I don't like at all, but I respect that these two guys love each other. They don't make politics the stakes of their relationship. I have a lot of relationships like that in my life, too, you know, where I don't, I couldn't care less what their politics are. My friends, it's like, I love them for a bunch of other things. You're my friend. I love you. That's it. Man, you're my friend. I love you. Yes. I love that. So why do you say Shaq is a great guy? What's he like? Because he's a very giving person. He walks around with his big heart and he, if there's kids in trouble or kids need something, he doesn't donate to a charity, he goes, what do you need? You need a playground? Get him a playground. Who could you call? You know what I mean? Yes. Oh, you need this? Go to the store, pick this up for these kids. You know, he's like, right there. That's so sweet. Yeah. And he's from the heart. He's a really good man. I like Shaq a great deal. Absolutely. In fact, I'm doing, he's in this TV series, I'm in two TV series, Godfather of Harlem with a farce Whitaker, and I'm in Graves N. and Shaq is in it with the Mayo, is the writer, creator of it. So, and it's coming out now on Amazon Prime, so, but it's just a great guy. I mean, he knows who he is, Megan, people who don't know who they are, then not nice people. They have to show you who they are. Yeah, right. If you're really somebody where you're safe in your own skin, you're a great guy. Yeah. I don't have to like make believe. Well, I was asking about Jennifer Tilly, who we just saw in the bullets over Broadway scene where, you know, she was the terrible actress or so she purported to be when she played Olive. Yeah. But I, my, my children who have not yet seen bullets over Broadway, have seen you in Jennifer together because we are big modern family fans. We pulled a little bit of that, a scene of the two of you who came in as friends of Jay and Gloria, played by Ed O'Neal and so to me, Vergara, here's a bit of that. I sense that you've got a secret that's maybe causing you a lot of anguish. You heard something, right? Well, I had the same situation with my son, Mitchell. Really? Yeah. And I didn't handle it too well either, and I just want you to know that you can open up to me. Then I'm going to do all I can to help you. Well, I mean, I, I'd never said this out loud before to anyone, but I guess if I did it would be you. It's just that Jay, you see, I'm, I'm, I'm going to, yeah, I'm in debt. Huh? I owe a book, he 20 G's and he's a serious guy and you offering to give me the dough? This is beautiful. Well, you're not gay, gay. What are you talking about, gay? I'm not gay. Why don't you get gay? Come on. I mean, you're always talking about clothes and everything, right? My father was a tailor. I like clothes. So what? So funny. How much did you enjoy being on that show? I love working on that show. It was, everybody's so great in it and Steve, the creators, Jesus, genius comedy. And I love doing the show and Ed is a friend of mine and just so funny. And Jennifer played your wife and Jennifer played my wife and I mean, everybody on that show is great. Everybody. Everybody. There's no weekly. There's no weekly on that show. Everybody's great. We love that series. And it was funny. I have a whole new thing of fans that young kids that see me on that show, that they see me. Well, it's funny because when I was telling the kids you were coming, I'm like, it's Chaz Paul Majority. And they said from a Bronx tale and I said, yes. And I said, and also-- Modern film. And they're like, yeah, modern film, of course. That's great. That must have been so fun because that's show is iconic. Yes. And while we're doing the acting crew, I got to mention probably the biggest movie you were ever in. Was it the biggest, the usual suspects? Yeah, pretty much. One of the biggest, yeah. I mean, that film was just talk about a hit. It was one of those movies. Everybody talked about. It was like, nobody could stop talking about the ending, the mystery of it and so on. If you haven't seen it, I won't ruin it. But there's a real question about who is this bad guy, Kaiser Sozee. Right. And you play the cop. I play the cop.
Yeah, agent who hand of searching for him. Yes, and so here's a bit of that. This is from the usual suspects, so 51. What do you think he would say if he found out you dropped his name to the DA? There's nothing in there about Ruby. I'll be sure to mention that to him. First thing on the job, you know what I learned? How to spot a murderer? Let's say you arrest three guys for the same killing. You put them all in jail overnight. The next morning whoever's sleeping is your man. You see if you're guilty, you know your court, you get some rest, you let your guard down. You follow me? No. Let me get right to the point. I'm smarter than you. And I'm going to find out what I want to know. And I'm going to get it from you whether you like it or not. I'm not a rat. So good. You've worked with some greats. Kevin's basically, too, is crushed at that point. He's crushed. I always lay out with him and I always lay out because I said, Kevin, I don't understand something. I've had 10 pages of dialogue, 10 monologues. I go, and I go all through this thing and then you look at me, you go, I'm not a rat. And you win the Academy Award. I said, explain this to me. How did this happen? You just look at me go, I'm not a rat. That's it. I got ripped off. The key is you must play the invalid. That's the thing. The invalid. You don't want to be the one wheel in the wheelchair. You need a limp. The one in the wheelchair. Yeah. A limp or a list or something. You're always too tough. You've got to be the one in the wheelchair. Like in that modern family scene, you should have been the gate guy. Yes. Yeah, damn, opportunity missed. Opportunity missed. When you watch now so far, I guess I should point out, we've talked about you working with Woody Allen. We've talked about you working with Kevin Spacey. Both these guys have been painted as these terrible dudes who have allegedly done terrible things. I've told my audience repeatedly, I don't believe that Woody Allen molested his daughter at all. I've done very deep dives on that case as a lawyer just because I love his films and I wanted to know whether he did this and I don't believe one word of it. Kevin Spacey has slowly but surely been exonerated on the most serious charges against him too. So what has it been like for you to watch guys that you presumably care about go through this? Yeah. Well, I feel for Kevin, especially Kevin. And Woody, you know, I mean, I don't know anything about the case and from what I know, people who know Woody very well said no, that's not true. And so I don't really know. Did anyone ever try to make you, there was a while there where they were trying to make other actors or actors who'd been in, for example, Woody's films condemn him, disavowable. Yeah, people have, I said, I don't talk about that. Good for you. I won't talk about somebody's personal life, Megan. It's not he would be ashamed of you if you did. That's a rat. Don't you think? It's a rat. I don't somebody, you don't, you just, you just don't do that. You don't do that. There's loyalty to friends. Yeah, you look, there's, look, there's sometimes, you know, you just, you just got to keep your mouth shut. I mean, why is guys, we get shot at. And you, when Castello got shot by Giganti, he saw him. And in court, they put Giganti up in front of him. They said, is this the man? And he went, no. Yeah, you said, no, that's not him. There's a code. You just don't do it. The, oh gosh. We had Sammy the Bull on the show one time. Yeah. And Sammy the, the Bull Gravano. And there's this guy who lives across the street for me at the, at the shore. And he never says much to me. I know he listens to the show as often as he can. He never really like, comes over for a review. But after I had on Sammy the Bull, he comes out. There's a big, Dallion guy, the bald head, very tan, he goes, the guy's a rat. He's a rat. It's a rat. Did not appreciate his appearance on the MK show. He was fascinating. But there is a code. And if you violate it, you are instantly otherwise. Is a rat. Yeah. He's not been on the Chas pulmonary. No. No. No. That's not happening. No, no. But it goes to show you how, how ridiculous it is he, he got off. And what does he do? It's right back in it again, then goes away for 15 years. I mean. Well, you're a braver man person that I am to criticize Sammy the Bull. I'm not saying a word. No, but I'm just saying, I mean, you, you got off. Go away. Keep your mouth shut and go away. You know, you get in trouble again. I mean, well, what, what, what about you now? So you, you're still with the same woman that you married. Yes. And she was in a Bronx deal. Yes. She had a role. She played sonnies. Girlfriend. Girlfriend, yeah. Yeah. I met, I knew it before, Bronx, though, yeah, before, yeah. So, but you, you're an anomaly in the entertainment business and in life. Yeah. If you married the same woman in what, 1992, and you've stayed with her since. Yeah. We've been together 35 years ago. Wow. How'd you manage that in such a competitive industry where I'm sure you've had a lot of ladies were very interested in you, especially as you made a bunch of money? Well, I had a lot of ladies before that. Oh. So I, I had my, I had my thing, you know, um, stowed your oats. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you put it, you got to weigh it, Megan, you got to go for five, for 20 minutes of this or for lifetime of this, what am I doing? And it's still hard. I mean, I'm still working progress. And me and my wife do, we still battle sometimes, sure we do. But you know, I, I always laugh. I go, people, people say, what's the secret? Well, we never wanted to get a divorce at the same time. Yeah. You know, we always just said, you'll work it out. You're going to have the same problems with someone else, different, but problems. You know, and especially if you have children, there's got to be, I just think you got to be a little, you can't be so selfish with your life, you know. Where were you living when you raised the kids? I raised them first, I had a farm out in, I live in the city and I had a farm out in, like a farm in Coltsneck, New York, I live right next to Bruce Springsteen. Oh. Yeah. Right. Speaking of politics and people lost their minds. Yeah. I've seen Bruce all the time back then. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. But so you raised him not in Hollywood? No. No. And then I, no, never. And then I moved to, we were living in the city for a while. And then 9/11, a year before 9/11 happened where I was buying this beautiful apartment across the street from the World Trade Center, right on the same block, 73 Murray Street. And I was buying the whole floor and it was a beautiful apartment. And the last minute, I'm very psychic, very old, extremely. And I look up and I'm looking at the world trade center and I turn to my wife and I say, this thing has given me a darkness. Oh, no. If this, this thing of a fool's it'll kill us. She was full. She was, are you stupid? What are you saying? I said, they tried to bomb it in 93. Maybe they'll try again one day. And I talk her out of it and then we boil it all, all this land up in Bedford and we build the big house. A year later, it fell. And that built, and that place got. Oh, my. Really? Yep. Couldn't live there for like five years. Whoa. Yeah. What else have you predicted? But people, yeah, what do you just get a sense when you're with them? I don't predict things with people. I talk about who they are, but I don't, I don't go into the future with them. We just, we just watched that old 80s film, The Dead Zones, starring Christopher Walken, yeah, where he has a, he gets into a car accident and he has a brain injury. Yeah. Now if he touches your hand, he can see your future. Yeah. And it's always bad. It's terrible. The person or is this a gift to this thing you have? Well, I work on it, but I, but I, I'll meet people and go, give me, but I can only do it if somebody gives me a piece of jewelry or something they held, something they wore for a long time, like a rain, the watch. And then sometimes I get nothing. There was a guy on a set once he said this to me. He said, I was doing a Michael Lerna and I got him really pretty good. And the guy says, I don't believe it's old bullshit. I don't believe in that. I said, well, you know, it's your right. Everybody was the care and he tried to, try to come off his dislike, whatever. He goes, here's my ring. I never took it off in 30 years, do me. And he puts it in my hand. So I sit there and all of a sudden pictures just start flowing in my head, right? So I said, do you grow up on a farm? And he goes, yeah, all right, but good guess, go ahead. And I went to a big farm, a lot of acres on this farm, he goes, yeah, yeah, it's a farm. You know, he's trying to be wise as I go, there was a dirt ground, there was a gravel road behind your house. It was wide. And he went, yeah, I said, on that gravel road, you were like 10, 11 years old. You got hurt. You got hurt bad. And he goes, yeah, I said a white, a white car picked you up. And he went, yeah, my uncle is white Chevy picked me up. And I went, the letter J, letter J goes, yeah, my uncle Jim, give me my ring. And he got scared and he took his ring. No way. Yeah. What? My hand to God. You didn't know any of that before? Nothing. Got that off of his ring. Oh, his ring. Now it does. Sometimes I'll take it from somebody and nothing happens. Well, do you ever take it from somebody and you get something bad, like a foreshadowing? No. That would be awkward. No.
No, I never got because I'm not thinking of the future with them. I'm thinking of something from their past about who they are That's crazy. I don't think I'd like that. I don't I would know on it Yeah, and I know and people just get spoo now. I don't know how that happened I'm a Christian. I mean, I'm Catholic. I don't believe in that, but it's just something but it's happened because I had a friend who was a very world-famous psychic And he was you know, he got paid tons of money and he said you know You should do this more often because you you could be good at it. Oh, my goodness. So And like and I said you should work on it chas you told me that many years ago So I did meet people I go. Yeah, give me a ring and then some time from nothing zero Oh, and then sometimes something happens. So I don't know. Oh, I'm I'm not gonna give you my ring. No, no, no I don't want to do that No, no because what if you say something that's not true? Then I don't want to put you on the spot Then that's okay. I go look. What if it's wrong. I've hit people that it's wrong and they go no, no, no wrong wrong wrong and I go okay And I give it a shot. I gave it a shot. I go well fine So what do you think of what's happening with the movie industry today because it's so different now Yeah, I think it seems like it's emptying out. Yeah, I'm filling it up with AI Companies. Yeah, but I think it's good because I Think we're in control now. I can make the movies. I want to make And look, I reach You you you're you're more than I am, but I can reach four five million people a week a month You know some of my videos went, you know 10 million some you know who knows so I Can look if I have content I could get it out there You know the the paradigm has changed. You don't have the power no more. It's not the big movie studios I don't even have to go on Avatar. I don't have to pay money for advertising Megan As a comedian you stuff to get on the tonight show. Yeah Right I got a big audience in the t-shirt. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so it's like hey I'm okay with all this the democratization of Hollywood. You like it. Yeah, I'm okay with it I'm okay with it. You don't have to still deal with all like the you know alleged Line bags who make dirty deals and aren't good look there's always are there other people out there that make bad deals when there's a lot of money involved Yes, there's always people like that Megan Everybody's your friend no matter what business the matter show business this business you become partners with somebody else and Some airplane business when the big money comes now we see who the real friends are Now we see, but don't you hate that like I maybe I'm still naive. I don't know I just feel like now after 20 plus years in the news business and another 10 in law I Still have a sense of optimism and then I still get burned You know I I wish I were a little street more street smart. Yes, but I I've been burned too But like how does it how can you continue? Meeting people and using discernment. I feel like I can relate to my dog Stredwick sometimes where I'm just running over Appreciating this person and forgetting everything I've learned about humankind Yes, you have I'm a see I'm both I'm like this paradox. I'm a Catholic But I also am a student of Machiavelli I read Machiavelli all the time and there's a lot of truth in Machiavelli If you remember bronch's tail. I took a lot of Machiavelli and put it into the movie is it better to be love the fear? Yeah, right, right, you know, you know what way people people will always in the end if it's them or you They'll go self-preservation They will and I understand that I do There are people there are very few people that are going hurt me, but don't hurt him Very few people because They'll make things up in their head to justify what they've done See that's the difference people will make things up. Well, she was not good to me in the partnership She should have been there more. That's why I took the extra money You know, don't don't justify. Yeah, you know, yeah, but I'm like you Having a good friend is like being there's like falling in love The only way you could fall in love is to be vulnerable You cannot fall in love unless you're vulnerable. You cannot. You have to say, okay, here's my heart You could hurt me, but It's the only way I I could do this and it's like a friend say I love you as a friend. Let's go partners Don't hurt me. I just hope you don't hurt me. You have to do it. Otherwise you become jaded and you you end up like them Which I don't want to be like that. That's so true. That's so well said I know it's very sad because well, I'm sure you've been hurt by people. Well, it's fine I'm thinking of my assistant Abby who I love she hasn't done anything wrong at all But she's been with me for 17 years and she's about to have her third child and she's leaving me because there's someone who needs her more than I do and I get it But I'm so sad. It's what you just said. I love her. My God. I can't believe this and so I'm so sad because I don't want her to leave me I had a I had a young lady who worked for me and I can say a name. She was my one of the great assistants I ever had Maria Oragó great and she was with me for a long time Traveled all over the world me all my movies and one day I'm walking to the office I had my office in the city at times. She's crying crying. I said what happened? She was oh my God. I just tell me what happened She was like I don't offer this job and they offered me an incredible job three times more than you and I don't want to leave you And I looked at her. I said you don't want to leave me. You're leaving me What are you crazy? You have to take this job You must take this job as she goes, but I don't want and I hugged her and I said you're taking this job Don't you dare not I said this is a move Move way you want to get it to this fashion thing and do this and I it you know it hurt me that she left mm-hmm, but But I love her. Just like you loved you know her. No, sometimes they have to grow They have to grow without a without you. Yeah, sometimes they outgrow us they outgrow us and sometimes you just got to go It's okay. I know because in the end Abby don't leave me Because in the end What's it all mean? I know no, it's true like I'm when I think about it from her perspective I know it's the right move and I completely get the logic and I you know Of course want nothing but good things for her But when I think about it for me, I'm just so sad It's like so few people who have been with you right that long and so intimately in your life Yes, and it's such a wonderful thing to count somebody like that a friend who's with you every day who's been through all the highs Yeah, it's like you know almost like a spouse, you know who's just been through everything with you right But some people are meant to take the bus ride with you But they're not meant to go all the way to the end of the line They you they learn what they did and they got off and you'll always not often Connecticut You'll always be friends with her the rest of her life and your life Yeah, but see this is this is where this is that moment This is that critical moment in people's lives where you could be who the hell are you 17 years? I gave you this I gave you a star you a nobody I mean, that's how certain people would go No, that's not that hasn't been what happens. Yeah, you see what I say, but certain people would do she and I have both my And tears about it ever since you're excited That's the way me and how you know what me and her and her that other woman Me and Maria were justicles and I'll have a great assistant my assistant stacy. She's no what me 20 years and she's the best Oh, so yes, well actually I should mention we have found a wonderful girl named Kayla who so far is crushing it Yes, she's my new Abby. Yes, go Kayla Yes, and you know what and it'll be fine. Yeah I know and Abby's been great. She's gonna be like a big sister to Kayla, and I'm kind of like a big sister to her We're all right think of what you passed down to her that she will pass down to the next girl. Yeah It's all about passing down At the end of my show I always I have this called about the wasted talent and I cool up a young person and I you know When you come and see the show you'll see okay, it's our job and I say our job That we are where we are in life. We have to send the elevator back down. Yeah, you have to Sunny and your dad taught you well Chaz. Yeah, well, thank you. This is such a pleasure. Thanks so much Yeah, no, I I was so looking forward to it. Oh, gosh me too. What an awesome meeting you. You're really beginning of a beautiful friendship Absolutely, you're terrific and I like what you say you say what you feel you mean what you say Thank you, and I think that's important. Thank you. Yeah, it's one of the greatest liberties we have I'm not exercise it absolutely all right So next stop is wherever the one-man show is I'm gonna. I'll look cool your sister to let you know. It's done. Thank you Okay, thanks for everything and you might ask for the show, please I'd love to be and thank you for all the laughs and entertainment over the years too I know I speak for my audience when I say we're all grateful God bless. Thank you. Oh isn't he wonderful? Chaz volunteer everybody check out his one-man show which you can just Google. Yes How do they out of the Chaz Pomethary dot net? Okay, I'll go to my Instagram Chaz Pomethary. Okay, and it's Paul Min Terry M-I-N-T-E-R-I just in case you're you don't want to screw that up So check out the one-man show and check out his podcast, too That'll be super fun to listen to thanks to all of you for joining us. We will see you again
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