Khloé vs Conspiracies ft. Savas Oguz

- This episode is about conspiracy theories. Have you heard that aliens and humans have crossbred? - Oh my god. - You don't believe in one thing, I believe in. - So that is born to argue. - That's what people say, but I disagree. - I come from a place of anything's possible. - You want to prove like that I'm crazy. - Which you are. - Right, which I am. - You believe the moon landing happens. - I do. - And you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon. - We don't even have service in some parts of Calabasas. - One interesting conspiracy, I think is how pyramids were made. - This one's gonna really get me going. - What? - How would they have the technology? The giants helped. Do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica? - Would you really even say there's aliens there or something? - There's portals. - You think that's, do you believe in that? - Have you ever seen a ghost? Literally last week. You know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind. And I was like, oh, what is in here? - I don't believe in ghosts. - This was fun. I have so many more to-- - We gotta do this again. - Dare I ask your theory on mermaids. - Mermaids? (upbeat music) - This podcast I'm so excited about because I've been wanting to get Sevez on the pod for a while now. Sevez is a dear friend of mine. I've known him for about nine plus years. - About 10 years? - Yeah, nine plus years. And I met Sevez because when I was dating Tristan, Sevez is one of Tristan's best friends from childhood. And Sevez and I just really clicked. And when Tristan and I broke up, I still got to keep Sevez. So that's a good-- - No, we're literally family, right? - Yes. - We're actually brother and sister. I see Sevez literally every single day. And if I don't see him for a day, it feels like a year has gone by. - No, seriously. - It's so weird. - We work out together. We like travel together. He's also in my family if you are friends with one of us, your friends with all of us. So Sevez is friends with all of my siblings, my mom, everything. So Sevez is literally like my brother. And this episode is gonna be about conspiracy theories and just us bantering about that. And the reason why is because Sevez and I do this all day long. - In a group chat with her brother. - In a group chat with Rob or we'll just fight during our workout nonstop. We argue in Sevez is born to argue. - But I will only argue with conspiracy theories. Like, you argue with anyone. - No, but I will mainly argue against like, people that have crazy opinions. I feel like I'm like a very like rational thinker. - Okay, but you're also just, I also think sometimes Sevez will argue for the sake of arguing. - We'll say that, but I don't see it. - Oh, I'm not the only one that says that. - No, a lot of people say it. But I genuinely do not see it. I feel like I argue against stuff that's like, no, I just think. - For somebody would say something crazy and I'll say, oh, I think you just love to go against the grain. So if I'm like, oh, this is red, you're like, I disagree. And I'm like, a Sevez. - That's what people say, but I disagree, but. - But anyway, it's amazing and I love it and I wouldn't want to fight with anyone else. And this is your first time doing a podcast. - Doing a podcast in general? - Is that what you were going to say? - I was going to say your first time in Wonderland. - Oh, yeah, this is my first time in Wonderland. - My show is called Chloe in Wonderland. - I wouldn't rather be in New Orleans. - This would be the, this is the podcast that I feel like, I mean, I watch all your episodes pretty much. - It's a job. - That's so nice of you. - Yeah, of course. - But also, duh, this is your first podcast. What am I thinking? - I know, I'm like highly requested here. - Hello, this is amazing. - I'm not a single person requested me. - Yeah, I requested you forever. - Let's have a sip. - All right. - I'm drinking vodka, Sprite and me on vodka. What's a little tidbit? - Oh my God. - It feels like I'm nuts, vodka. And I do not go hand in hand, but I could have a glass, but I'm very aggressive on vodka. Kendall will also confirm. - Oh my God. - I've beat Kendall up a few times. - I've seen you drag her. - It's so sad. Like, there's no reason. She's the nicest girl and I attack her. - Why her? - But you're the nicest guy and I. Sebastian baseball hat. Every fucking day of his life. And he is the best head of hair. I do not understand it. - It's all because I don't like to do my hair. It's like so much work. - It is literally like Fabio, which you don't know who Fabio is, I bet. Exactly. But like the shorter version, this luscious thick locks of hair and he puts a fucking baseball hat on it. Every fucking day. - That's because like my hair is like thinner, I want to say. - No, it's not. - But it's like if I don't put product in it, it will just like fly everywhere. So I don't want to put product in it. It is so much work. - So sorry, so much hair. But I do flick his hat off when I'm drunk. - Every time. So I have to like stay far away from you every time. No, I literally like, I literally say, okay, I cannot go near her. Especially if I'm beside somebody that I don't want to be like, get embarrassed in front of or something, just who grab my hat, throw it in the water, do this. It's crazy. - He's like my brother. And so Sebaz is Turkish. His parents are from Turkey. - I'm Turkey. - You're from Toronto. - First generation, Canadian. - Oh, fuck yeah. Which is most of our, like, most people around my age are first generation Canadians. 'Cause everybody's parents. - Oh, in Toronto. - In Toronto. - The reason also why I'm saying that is, there's a lot of things that you don't know about. Like I think because you weren't raised. - For sure. - Like American eyes. - Oh no, for sure. - And so one of those things are, there was this video that I saw and it was like, lies your parents told. And I want to know if your parents told you the same lies since they're foreign. Would they, like, these are things I definitely was told as a kid. - Okay, this thing. - Okay, where you ever told, you'll go blind if you sit too close to the TV. - Yes. - It's illegal to drive with the lights on in the car. - Oh, no, I don't think they told me that. - I used to be in such fear. If I turned the little light on, I used to be in fear, we're all very agile. Yeah. If you swallow gum, it takes seven years to digest. - Oh, I don't think I heard that. - Wow. If you pee in the pool, a ring will form around you. - A ring, no. - Or like it will turn red. - Do you see a color or something? - Yes, I was always told that. I've got eyes in the back of my head. - What's that? - So fast. - Like, I mean, the comment saying, like I got-- - No, like, as a parent, I would be like true. Don't do that because I have eyes in the back of my head. So like, if I turn around, I'm still watching. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. - If you make that face, it will stay forever like that. - Definitely. - Yeah. Why did they say that to me? - I know. - Like, who cares if you make that face? - I don't know. It's like, have you ever heard the cross-eyed one? Well, like, if you cross your eyes too much or eyes thick? - I still think that might happen. - I don't need to. - I'm not crossing my eyes. What about you can't swim for 30 minutes after eating? - No, I've never heard that. - Oh, I heard that. - Is that a thing? - All the time, but I don't think it's real. You can swim whenever you want. - I've definitely never heard that one. - Do you know what prompted me to want to do this? - What? - When my kids were playing the Head Shoulders Knees and Toes song, and you've never heard it before? - Right. - That's outrageous to me. - I mean, 'cause they'd listen to it all day. - No, no. - So that's, have you ever heard that song? - Head Shoulders Knees and Toes. - Like the children. - The song that we played and you were like, - I've never heard that, no. - Right. - Why is that so surprising? Is that like a popular song or something? - No, seriously, I've never heard, who was it by? - Well, it's Happy Birthday. No one knows who it was by, it's just. - I mean, I'm sure, 'cause you have kid, did you know prior to having kids? - I was a kid. - Oh, I've never heard that. That's definitely a Canadian-American thing. They weren't playing like, we didn't have too much money, so it's not like we could watch TV and hear these things. - Happy Birthday. Do you know that song? - I mean, obviously. - To me, it's like equivalent. - Really? - Like, do you know, ring around the rosy? - Of course. - That's the same. - Really? - I've never heard-- - Right, yeah. - Yes, I think it's-- - I've never heard that. - I think it's the same equivalency as ring around the rosy. - That's crazy. - So what wanted me to read you some of these was, I just find it so fascinating that you don't know that song. Did you always love conspiracies? - I think I was always into them. - And you were, you're always on the side of you don't believe in them. - I don't believe in them. - So where do you find out about conspiracies through other people, or do you like look for them? - Honestly, I feel like they're just on social media. I see them a lot, Twitter. - But now my algorithm is all conspiracies. I mean, I send you and Rob the craziest shit. - No, Chloe, whenever you see like, all Chloe needs to see big white letters on like a picture of something. And it will say like, the world is ending in 2028. You'll be like, oh my God, guys, look, the world is ending up like Chloe. - I believe everything. - But you will send like 20 at a time, and I won't get to all of them. - No. And Rob is like, can you just stop? - Do you respond to one of the last ones? - He's like, can you stop? - Do you prefer a conspiracy to be unsolved or would you rather know the truth? Like is it fun to go down these rabbit holes? - I don't really believe in conspiracy. Like I'm into them, like I like that they're brought up, but I don't believe that, like the. - Right, but what, so what I feel, think you are. You like to debunk a conspiracy. Yes. And you want to prove like that I'm crazy. And like, right, which I am right. And you want to be like, this is not real. And you want to debunk it. For sure. But without the conspiracy, what would we even talk about? It's what we talk about all night and day. No, it's, it's, I mean, I like just basic conversation about conspiracies. Cause you say I like to argue, I guess I do. But I don't know, I just, obviously, I think conspiracies are super interesting, like depending on, like the, I looked into the moon one. Oh, that's where we're going. Okay, talk about the moon landing. I believe that it happened now. I do savaz. No, I do. You believe the moon landing happened. I do. Please tell me why? I mean, so, okay, so when I was young, people used to say, Oh, the flag was waving. That was like a common like, okay, thing that would debunk the, but I looked into that and they said, that was because they moved the flag. And then there's some like, so it's waving in the way there's some signs behind why there's not. So what about the four camera angles? Which what is that? If they're the first person on the moon, your time, there's four camera men that went on the moon from different positions. And they're filming them. I mean, I just don't see like, because they said they've been to the moon like a few times. And you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon, the people on whatever, just be like, Hey, guys, did you make it? Like, we don't even have service in some parts of calabassus. I know it is strange that we haven't been, but you know what they say? It's happened like more than once, like six times or something, five or six times, but in that period, it was like in the early 70s or something. My thing is, I've seen like Elon, I know that can't just always go back to this, but I've seen Elon say like, he believes it's real. And that gives him hope that he's going to make it happen. Like he's going to do it again. Well, why has no one done it again? They have sent vehicles to the moon and that type of stuff. But like, I know it's kind of strange. I don't know. But you would say generally, the world believes that that's a real thing, right? Other than like conspiracy theorists. That's what a conspiracy theorist says. Right. But so you're like one of the like, I don't believe we landed on the moon. You don't. I don't. I just don't. The flag moving. How is the flag waving back and forth like there's wind? It just doesn't make sense. Well, they said that's some like scientific thing. We're like, when you if you twist the pole, there's I don't know what the exact term is, but like something happened to the flag. I just don't believe it. All right. I don't get the phone call the president made to the astronauts. I just think that it's so easy. That would easily be the 60s though. It was the 60s. They you were able to hide so much. No, it's true. I don't I believe that it's real. But I think you're not you believe that. That's fine. I'll let you believe that. You guys know how much I love the holidays. 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And by UFO, you mean like something like you like some like aliens flying this thing through the air or something? Is that what you believe? So do you believe that we're the only planet with living organisms on it? In the entire galaxy, like living life. Well, I'm not saying I have to be humans like you and I, but you just think like there's black hole after black hole and galaxy after galaxy. You don't think that there's a possibility. I personally don't. I'm not. I think I think Earth is such like life on Earth is like such like a unique thing. Yeah, it had to be like once in a like whatever God's design. Yes. God's design. I don't think but why couldn't God design other things? He could. I don't I just feel like we would know there would be more concrete evidence. I haven't seen one piece of evidence where I'm like, okay, now I believe an aliens, not one thing other than people talking and I don't know. Okay. I know you send like a lot of these things where like people claim they seen an alien. Like I remember, remember when you sent the Miami, the Miami mall thing. You don't think the Miami alien mall. Siding happened was the worst thing I've ever seen ever. What? So when was this? I had to be like, Oh, New Year's. It was a New Year's. That might have been the worst. Miami. There is a incident at the Miami mall. I don't know what the mall's name is. But I literally saw a guy 183 police cars showed up to the mall. And there's people running out saying, there's aliens, there's some there's this eight foot 10 foot tall black dark shadow figure. Someone mentioned a portal had opened up. Should have surpassed that is. No, no, I know you're not going to like a portal situation. So vast, the might you're telling me 183 cops got called to the Miami mall. It was because there was a they thought it was an active shooter in there. It was a kid's like, let's just say God forbid there was have you ever seen 183 cop cars go for an active shooter? Yes, if that was in the report from the state. Okay, they're not counting the amount of cop cars in the them. That is insane. Everything I say he does, he just won't believe. Do you believe that there was an alien in that mall? Yes. And there was not a single percent because something happened all their phones. What aliens have like energetic devices, and they can shut everything down. So that with all these cell phones, you don't think somebody could just take out a cell phone, a camera, I just told you what happened. They have a special devices. Yes. And energeticly, it shuts everything 100% Robin, I both believe they're 1000% new and let me also tell you if it wasn't real, why do we never talk about it again? People, they bury it. New year's day, the mall, are we okay? And then they just talk about it because it was not real. And it was so crazy. No, it was real. Why were 183 cop cars called there? Because they thought it was an active, it was a bunch of kids causing a ruckus. They thought maybe there was a shooting type of situation. I've never seen 183 cop cars call to a shooting situation. Yeah, but it's a big Like I don't know they probably want to surround the whole mall and 183 that could just be a random number that people threw up There's no way you know convincing this guy of any that is insane so Have you heard How you're really not gonna like this that aliens and humans have cross-bred? Oh my god, I haven't heard this. What do they say like that? I'm I get alien DNA and they put it in a human Okay, and they have a baby and who's they? I don't know I don't know who they is, but there's supposedly alien human crossbreeds and they know who they are like the government follows them and has been monitoring them Never heard of that. That sounds insane. It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it's real, but I just feel like Again all this stuff is happening and nobody has a picture of anything a video of anything Well, we have UFO photos, but you think they're just a flashing a flashing light and you think oh it's a UFO flying So Dr. Stephen Greer who I had on that alien expert guy you're telling me he's just making up what his position is in the government I don't want to talk about him. I just anyone that works like people that do those documentaries that are in the government currently I've seen a few of them. They're A Navy seal for 30 years whatever the case may be you're telling me They're making it up. I just I would go to them and I would say okay show me one piece of concrete evidence Where you could say look an alien exists or look at a UFO like This is like a flying. I don't know whatever something from another planet This guy Sean Ryan. He's like super legit to me a no nonsense type of guy He's a podcast and he talks about This kind of stuff. He has people on in the military. I think he's ex-military and he Like they've talked about things. I don't know why these people would all be making shit up again What do they like where's their evidence aside from this they can't have any when you go into these classified buildings you think they're letting you bring your cell phone I mean what are they gonna do like you know search you but you're also saying like people are crossbreeding this that like right How do we have proof of that as somebody said they've seen that with their own eyes? Yes, I just watched this god. I wish I save every fucking thing I see when you say it overwhelm you with footage I'm gonna start just sending it. No you legitimately sent 20 things at once And I just click on one random one and I'll be okay. She's nuts. Yeah There's aliens and you're nuts. So what's area 51? That's just like a lot of classified documents are in there But I don't think it's like alien stuff It's like stuff with the government and this and that. I don't think you're exhausting Do they say there's alien stuff in there? Yes Nobody actually says it I think people like assume Has it ever like confirmed? I've been there. Well, they wouldn't let me in But I've been there and they there was sand snipers and they took our footage from keeping up Because we were close yes, it was terrifying and we had a man who claimed he was abducted by aliens in our RV with us And when we got close to area 51, he was vomiting. He was spiraling He was like let me off let me off and we were like oh my god. Where did this guy come we didn't know this guys We were so freaked out and on the way to area 51 they have Like um souvenir shops of all alien stuff that like random people put together Aliens are known to be there. This sounds insane. You sound crazy He claimed he was abducted by aliens He wrote a book about it. He went missing for like five days and then randomly they found him again You'll probably know why you're on the beach or something It does sound crazy, but it happened. So do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica What's what did they say about it? So Antartica is the only Continent in the world. I think there's like 50 something Treaties that have been signed that no one will ever build or go to Antarctica unless it's Known through the government like you have to get government approval. You can't just go there If I'm not mistaken, we can't just fly over Antarctica without Anyone being notified or you'll be like shot down Why is Antartica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance What do you you can say there's aliens there or something? There's portals. I believe there's portals there like portals What that would lead you like some like you go into portal and they're like we don't know so as but they also say that there's Like it's the place where something is there. I'm going to say aliens and there was this Like there is a scientific research group that went to Antarctica to do something they got lost And somewhat Americans went out to rescue them They were found and they were put on a plane back to America and they would not speak and they would not speak about what they saw They were so traumatized and scarred and they've never spoken about what they saw That's weird. What are these people seeing? I don't like that you're laughing. I mean, I'm calling Rob. That sounds crazy. Hi I'm doing my podcast and civaz is with me and he's pissing me off So what is Tell him about Antarctica because he doesn't believe that there's anything shady with Antarctica He knows everything that's going on. He just doesn't believe it No, that one I've never heard genuinely Yeah, and how every nation in the world has agreed to not let Whatever civilization happen there. When does every nation agreed on anything But you don't think somebody would just risk their lives and just go try to get there and try to get some like Yes, and what happened to them? They die. They get shot or something I don't know they freeze they get abducted by the aliens whatever and oh my gosh And he doesn't believe the fucking aliens at them all That one is the worst one I think ever that one I can understand why he wouldn't believe it, but Rob birds Don't ruin this for me You're telling me 183 caught Rob you were the one that riled me up about this one No, I did not, but at that time maybe Yes, of course Listen Okay, what about Malaysia air that was so sad There's a story Yeah, there's no, but what happened in but why has there not been any So you guys so where's Malaysia air? Where's the plane? Where's any piece of the plane to me? I'm not talking about the Brazilian plane. I know what you're that's the one where for some reason every time a plane crashes Somehow there's somebody on that plane that was like gonna cure some type of cancer Well, the one in Brazil had 20 doctors going Nobody said I just think they make these stories up to make it like like people like you Sebastian the Brazilian plane there was 20 different people going to a cancer Seminar I seen that to talk about cancer research and like provided cure the plane fell out of the sky Like it was paper. It just plummeted that just disappeared and no one has seen a body No one has found a thing. So who do you think is orchestrating this? Well the Brazilian plane. I'm assuming the people who benefit from people being sick with cancer Malaysian air rumor is A UFO abducted it. Oh my god You don't believe that to you Robert One interesting conspiracy. I think is how pyramids were were made that one. I'm genuinely composable. What conspiracy? I mean you believe like that one you believe in giants No, the bat in the book of a giant say give me like somebody that's like seven five or something seven five is not a giant What are you saying like 20 feet tall? It's like a normal human in today's day and age giants They were in the bible that giants existed. There's architecture that's still around And from hundreds of years ago that were like 40 foot doors Giants existed I've never heard of that in the bible What if they had something to do with helping with pyramids? I've never heard that but I mean, I could see like some type of situation where it's like a no nothing that I mean There was definitely a giant Debt I definitely believe in giants. I mean, I don't know like how tall are these people? Well, I didn't measure them but if you're saying like what like 50 feet tall or something maybe I don't know if I believe that Okay, what about the idea that pyramids could have been done through alien technology So it's it's etched in Egyptian Carvings aliens alien faces When they open up some burial things they look like alien like okay, so what's your answer for that? I mean to me that just looks like art and people were just bored and just start But you don't think everything that we see had to be someone's reality at some point Hmm It could it could I mean, but a lot of it tells stories too And what's the story of this stories are left to interpretation, right? So it's like But an alien is pretty identifiable. Yeah, I know, but maybe they just were bad artists and they just couldn't like oh my god, bro It just doesn't end But my explanation to how pyramids were made would be like some type of pulley situation where it's like They get elephants put some big ropes on it The precision of a pyramid. Do you know that's the I don't understand how it lines up with perfectly with the stars Do you guys know the poles that were found in the ground? Oh my gosh that word and how weird that no one talks about it again What were the poles about it's like something that's not the pole the pyramid Hose it says Nicola test lovely the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices not tombs built to harness and transmit Power using the earth's natural electromagnetic fields. Okay, and then him how they killed his ass and took all of his trunk of recipes for Science stuff so they discovered just this last year They discovered all of these huge poles that are living underneath the pyramids Okay, they never knew about and no one can understand these are Kilometers underneath the ground. How would they know to even do that? I mean they were smart clearly if you're building a pyramid Do you know what this would take to do? I know what I just all these hidden structures Hidden structures beneath the great period of guise. No one knew this until this last year What how would they have the technology? How do they have the they didn't have tools to dig that kilometers into the ground? That is crazy, but I think that they had like thousands of people working at the same time There's a different time vertically aligned. They're perfectly aligned. This is like Not even possible. So what's your explanation? That's not man-made or the giants helped I think they just carry rocks on the shoulder. Yes. Okay. Love you Rob Dare I ask your theory on mermaids Mermaids There's no let's not start. No you believe the Duru humans living underwater. Is that what you're trying to say? Sure, there's no way that you believe that. That's insane. I didn't I mean we would find that we would I mean No, we wouldn't we just I read last week ooh a two new species of sharks have been discovered like What? Yeah, cuz they say we only look at no like what 80 no 81% of our waters is uncharted. Yeah, that's we don't know That's crazy. So why it what here's my thing I Come from a place of anything's possible you come from a place of nothing's possible So yes, are there aliens anything's possible if we're here are there mermaids anything's possible if I'm here I just need some evidence robots do drive you there's driverless cars It's crazy. It's crazy 50 years ago if I told you know you're gonna have a car with no driver But it's gonna get you from A to Z you'd be like fuck off Yeah, that that that is insane. I'm not gonna lie self-driving cars Even us even what cell phones do right now. It's like kind of insane like if someone asked me Front if I went to the past and someone was like if I had to prove I was from the future and someone was like If I'm like, you know, you can use a phone and it will call people and they're gonna be how does it work? It doesn't make any sense. I don't know how to explain to someone how a cell phone works me neither That's I really don't So I would sound crazy. I think the same thing goes for I don't know how to explain How aliens and mermaids exist, but I think they do. It's a good perspective. That is a good perspective But I don't know there's a possibility they can is my point Like why be so like no, that's that's not possible The idea of aliens just seems like something just so crazy that I don't know I would have to see it to believe it. Okay, so you believe on life on other planets, right? Yeah Like do you think they're building like a it's like actual life? Well, I don't know. No, I don't know exactly to what degree I believe I just believe There's so many solar systems. There's so many different galaxies that we just we thought it was What are nine planets orbiting the Sun and that was it then we discovered black hole after black hole and it takes you into different galaxies Yada yada and then there's different solar systems Who's to say there's not life on another planet? I'm just saying who's to say I would say this do I believe it no if it happened to come up that it was true I would not be just stunned So I'll say that like I'll be like oh, okay, so we're slowly breaking down the wall how you could think like that But I just don't believe it because I haven't seen it It's like it's like humans flying like if if you told me a human's gonna fly I would say no way now if it happened I'll be like holy smoke this is insane. I don't think we can fly. No, but if it eventually happened Let's see like what's your pack? I know but I don't think we're going to adapt to flying Yeah, that one is crazy so far. You don't believe in one thing. I believe in do you know who bigfoot is? Oh, I don't know You don't know head shoulders knees and toes What are your thoughts on bigfoot fake? Obviously, but why why can't he be real? I mean what is this like it's like a big bear looking thing What if what if you're telling me someone just made up one day? There's this big hairy thing in all this literally what they did and then it just Do you know what the Loch Ness monster is yes? Do you believe in that no? I believe in all of that you believe in unicorns? Obviously really I mean I would like to that's the only one that I don't really think is real But I in my head want a fantasize in real life. I don't believe it's real But I do wish that one was real to me. That's what all these are barefoot fantasies bigfoot whatever his name is Yeah, it's all it's all made up stories. No, I think bigfoot is real. Yeah, I mean I do but don't you think somebody would have caught a pitch I think in this time with How many people on earth eight million people? Mm-hmm. You won't think and there's that many cell phones You don't think one person will catch one good picture of it. I've seen what you did on your show. What? Dressed up as a as a oh the bear But just like what if there's only three left in the entire world and they're in hiding? And nobody's going to see it and what if the other animals are like, okay, it's now time. Oh my do you think animals can communicate with each other? Yeah, between each other. Yes, I mean like a dog and a dog probably. Yeah, I think all animals know how to communicate with each other. Oh my god Like a lion and like the sheep really they communicate via animal language whether it be telepathically or I Don't know energetically. I really believe it. Yes. Wow. Why are humans the only one? I? Dogs you can teach them commands. I definitely think they understand so much more than what we give them credit for I Also know it's scientifically proven that plants and trees when you play the music they grow more like it's all energetically done the music is Through different hurts and it's energetically what you can receive but animals lack like logic, right? They can't reason Maybe like they don't understand why they like this over that, but maybe they're like that to trap. Let me avoid that They're smart. I think it's just hot. Okay, but maybe they can't really explain to you why this would be well They can't explain anything to us. Right, but they don't I don't think they have the ability the reason Right, like do you think they understand why they make certain decisions? Or do you think it's just don't do that? I think a lot of things are innate and they're wild animals, so they do things out of like literally innately Let's just like how they were born, but there's been many times that you hear situations where a human Either gets lost in the jungle and a pack of wolves literally protects that baby or monkeys or you've seen a monkey fallen in a cage at the zoo and the mommy monkey Protects the baby and tell someone comes and get it. I think innately. They're like, okay, I want to protect this being I don't know why even though it's different than me or They can I read something about the lions in Africa with a baby and it protected this Child and then all they finally found the kid and it was surrounded by like a circle of lions Like some because they know like that's like a little kid I'm not saying it's gonna happen every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but there are some cases that I do think animals. I Know they do sense a situation or they Some have more understanding than others. I don't know, but I don't think they're just all I Think they could sense a situation like brain dead and nothing's happening like I know dogs can like if you're sick a dog Well, like for sure you're like a little bit like just be beside you the whole time Like I remember my dad was like something was wrong with his foot and the dog would just stay by that foot the whole time See they lick the foot. They it's energetically. They sense things. There's so much murder I'm not saying they sit there now full-blown conversations with one another, but they definitely have something They think you think they could like communicate something to each other. Yes for a fact. I mean like me I'm I'm the leader of the pact. We're all gonna respect it like they're so fucking smart now there the animals are super smart But I don't think they could reason like I don't think like for example like if a dog walked up to a fire It would obviously get burnt and it would learn that to walk near a fire You're gonna get burnt whereas a human we know we're gonna get burned, but we could still walk in the fire I don't think a dog can reason like that. Does that make sense? If I see a fire, a human knows not to go near the fire, but you can make the decision to actually go in the fire if we wanted to. Obviously, we wouldn't, but if we wanted to. - I think a wolf can do the same thing. It goes up to the senses that it's really hot. I'm not gonna go in it. But if it needed to jump through a ring of fire. - I don't know if it would. I don't know if it would. Maybe. But I don't think it would. - Have you seen Dancing with Wolves? - No, it's a movie. - It's an Hulk movie. So have you ever seen a ghost or felt a ghost? - I believe in spirits. I don't believe in ghosts. - The difference. - I don't think a ghost is something that people created. That's like you see something moving. - Okay. - You could see. - So what's a spirit? - A spirit is a feeling. Like you could feel somebody's spirit. - Okay. Have you had an inner counter with a spirit? - Not in my lifetime now. Like I haven't really had knock on wood. Like too many people like pass away in my life. - That's good. - At least people that I'm like super close with. - That's great. But you, so when I tell you all the stories that I have with ghosts and spirits, you just think I'm a lunatic. - Yeah, remember when we were working out? You thought that the weight moved. - Oh yeah, the ghost. - The weight moved. - And it did. - There's no way. - It did. - It was probably one of us that did it with some, we weren't even thinking about it. But you believe in ghosts? - One zillion presents. - Didn't you say there was a ghost in your out? Like a child or something? - Yeah, at the rental house. She rubbed my hair. - It didn't know way. - She did. It was the scariest thing. I never slept with the light off ever since. - What was so what happened in that situation? - I was sleeping. It was at that rental house that I still had in the oaks. And there was like a hallway that like from true's room to my room. It was a little narrow hallway. It was out of wood. So I could hear footsteps. And you could hear the difference between a child's footsteps and an adult footsteps. And but true was still in a crib. And she's never got out of her crib. So I heard someone walking down. And I was like true. And then I looked at the monitor and she was still asleep. So I was like, that's weird. So I just laid back down. And it was like the middle of the night. And I shut my eyes. And then I felt something do this and rubbed her fingers from the top. And I could feel it was a small hand and rubbed my head. And I remember close my eyes when please don't be there. Please don't be there. Open my eyes. Nothing was there. I was so freaked out. And then I remember being like hello and looking around. It was Alexa. How many things happened with the little girl at that house? - A lot. A lot. - They were there. The jacuzzi was completely drained with the Barbie doll at the very bottom of the jacuzzi, like murder. It was probably like somebody that threw it in there just wasn't even thinking. - Where'd the water go? - No, in two spay things who went missing. - Yes. She was in it. - There was no way you guys believed this. Do you believe this? - I'm sure. - Even at this house, how many encounters have happened at this house, Terrell, as of witness? - Really? - And that's different person and a different home. - So I'm gonna show you how our mind plays tricks on us. I had a similar story where like when I would go to sleep, this is maybe like as early as like a year and a half ago. I would go to sleep at night. I would hear walking like on the roof. - That's cause someone's on the roof. - No, so look, I'm thinking what the hell is up there? There's a raccoon or something up there. I didn't know what the hell. I wasn't even ghost. The pest control guy came. I said there's definitely something up there. You gotta look, I don't know what it is. - It's not something the pest control can get. - No, but hear me out. So he goes up there. He's like there's nothing here. I blocked out everything. I don't see any signs of like raccoons or like rats or anything. Okay, what the hell? So I go back to sleep maybe like a week later. Again, the walking happens. I'm like, what the hell? So I go on the camera and this is maybe like at 6 a.m. - Is it the camera on the roof? - No, no. I go on the camera's just to see. Is there like somebody like on the roof? I'm just trying to see. And you know what I see? A reflection, a shadow of a fucking bird. A huge bird. That was like just walking on the roof. And it would just, for somebody like-- - You're telling me. - It was like a black hawk that would come to-- - It's foot steps. Made you think there was a human up there. - I'm saying that it was, there was so heavy. I couldn't believe that that is the sound that I was hearing. - It's so. - But that's how crazy our brains are. I would have thought it was like, like if I didn't do that, I'm thinking it's a ghost up there. - Okay, so that's your encounter. Mine have been, have you ever felt a human sit on the edge of your bed while your eyes are shut? You feel when the mattress caves in a little. And then you wake up, you open your eyes and nothing's there, like it's-- - That's trippy. - But have you had that? - No. - What? I think also if you're open to receiving, it will happen. - That too. - And I think you're so against receiving any of this stuff that like you're not gonna get any sign you get, you're gonna rationalize it. - For sure. - Right. Like if I don't believe in ghosts, a ghost can't. Like, haunt me. - Well, nothing can haunt me 'cause I don't give it power to haunt me. - Right, but I won't even believe-- - Right, it's not even a belief. My house, there's definite shit. Like the other night, literally last week, true was asleep in my bed. And I was like, I still wanted to watch TV and my TV was off. And if I turned it back on, it would have been too bright. So I sat in my little sitting area and I was watching TV on my phone. And I was just sitting in there and it's like my little desk. A gust of wind went by my head and I remember going, no, no, no, I said literally, no, no, no, I can't do this right now. And then I slowly looked around just to be like, it was, you know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind. It was that feeling. So I was like, oh, and I slowly looked around and then I go, true. And then no one was there. I opened my door, she still asleep and I was like, fuck, then I went back. I set a prayer and then I watched my show again. It happened again. And I remember going, okay, I'm going to go to bed now and I just went and I was like, oh, what is in here? It was so distinct of something walking by me. The gust of wind. There's no explanation. - Were you high? - No, I wasn't high. - Maybe the AC just turned on or something? - No, 'cause I even looked, I looked around and I was like, where's the vents? The vents aren't there and it's not like a surge of wind. - Right. - It was so eerie and I normally all feel something but I'm like, oh, it's a good feeling. This was like, I don't know if I would just, it wasn't negative but it wasn't a great feeling. - Yeah, yeah, that's great. - I just didn't like it. So I literally set a prayer and I was like, okay, I'm going to bed. You have fun out here. And yeah. - I think it's 'cause you believe in the stuff that this happened. - Or I believe in anything. - No, that's the problem. See, I don't believe in this stuff. So if I feel like gust of wind, I'll just be like, oh, the AC turn on, I'm going back. - At one in the morning when the house is crickets, you wouldn't find that to be suspicious. - It's definitely happened to me something like that in my lifetime, but I feel like it's just like, I don't know what's in your head or something. You might be in a dream. - No, I was awake. I was watching. - I don't know, I think real housewives on my phone. I was like, very awake. - Well, Savaz, I can do this for hours and hours with you. Number one, I am so honored that I am your first podcast. - Stop it, I'm honored. - I am for like the rest of your life. You're going to remember me. You will. And this was fun. I have so many more to-- - We got to do this again. - Do with you, but I think we need to get into more depth. I need to like have videos that will explain it more to you 'cause I'm not good at explaining these things 'cause I'm in such rabbit holes with them. - What's the comment section just destroy us? Like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about. - Oh, I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. At all, but this is the fun. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. - It's just about bantering. And I also think today, people get so afraid to talk. But like, that's the point. You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things or you don't. It's not that deep. - I agree, it's not that serious. - It's not that serious. But thank you for being on Chloe and Wunderland, that's the point. - It was an honor. This is amazing. - Is it? - And it's a beautiful room. - Thank you.