Khloé in Wonder Land ft. Tristan Thompson

[Music] I think I'm going to get a lot of f*** for this podcast, but I'm ready for it. It's a good show. Have a good show. Don't hit my diamonds. What I'm doing right now is pivoting into AI and tech. Imagine now using autonomous drones machines. Autonomous. What do you do with these words? Autonomous. Never had such a scholar on this podcast before. We're in a totally different phase. And I think when you said that comment, you mean like the person that you know now. Like there's just a different level of respect. Terson and I don't like hang out if it's not what the kids. I mean you did come over hookah. One time in five years you're going to throw that in my face. Some of your answers are insane. Like long winded and I don't even know what we're talking about. I'm long winded. Do you want to have more kids in the future? Sometimes you got to lay them nuts on the table. What? Okay, Tristan. I mean I think the narrative. Okay. So you just cut it me off. You're long answers for everything and I can't get my long answers like this. We're going to go ahead. We have all the time in the world. I think I'm going to get a lot of shit for this podcast. But I'm ready for it. I don't think people realize that five years have gone by since you and I have broken up. But I don't think people realize how much time has gone on and how much life has happened. And that you and I have worked hard to get to the place where we are now that I'm inviting you on the pod and you're agreeing. And we're just going to sit and have a chit-chat. Would you agree? Yeah, I mean, a lot of life has passed. I think it's beautiful that you want to bring this to life and us have a conversation at dinner today. You know, we are friends first and foremost and we have two beautiful children together. So I think it's healthy for people to see two parents that aren't romantically involved. Still have a positive dynamic and not in a good place. I couldn't agree more. And I think I had such a great example with my parents and seeing even if there was fighting because I'm sure there was. But I don't remember any of that. I don't think I was privy to that and seeing my stepdad and my dad spend time together. And everything just seems so fluid. I think that's why I've always been so adamant about the kids won't see us fight. I want you to be as active as and present as you want to be in their lives. And I don't ever want to be the reason when my kids get older and they say, "Why wasn't daddy around?" And then it would be me. Like, I'm so proud of both of us but really proud of myself that whatever adult drama we have, I keep it to the adults. And we handle it privately and as responsibly as possible. We know it's all about the kids and letting them have the best childhood and memories. And I think we've done a really good job but also being true to ourselves. Like if we are mad at each other, we have our conversations. The kids aren't involved. Yeah, I think the most important thing with having children is about always conducting self-respect around the mother of the father. Because kids hear everything, they remember everything. And I think we do a good job at that. I think like any humans are going to have your disagreements and you're going to bump heads. But I think we do a good job keeping that private away from the kids and I think we have matured enough over the five years where I think maybe earlier, you know, those arguments might have been a little bit more emotionally based. And I think now it's more so just wanting the best for our tribe and our little ones. Are you nervous to be on the pod? No, not at all. You feel like you haven't done a lot of podcasts until like what the last year or so. I wasn't really for jumping a lot of podcasts because at the time I knew what the narrative was in the shift to and what people were going to talk about. And I think understanding how podcasts and this is the new form of media to be quite frank with you. I just didn't want people to monetize my story because at the end of the day, if it's going to be my story, I might as well monetize the best out of it. I mean, I think your family is a clear example of telling your own narrative, controlling your narrative and story because who is that on someone else? Because at the end of the day, if someone else is writing your own book, it's never going to be as accurate. So for me, it was always about just like waiting until the time was right. Yes, I've done a couple podcasts, but I think there are more not cultural and like family relationship based. You know, the last one I was on. I want a career forward. More career forward and more in that lane of what's next, the evolution of myself. But of course, you know, you asked me to come on here and I'm more than welcome to do that. I'm very proud of you for your second season and you've done a great job and you got some really good badass guests. So I said, why not add myself to the, to the Chloe, Chloe and Wonderland Wall of Fame? I think you're. Are you nervous? No. Okay. I'm not nervous at all. I think I want to make sure I do a good job of addressing everything, but still, you know, not dwelling on things that you and I don't really dwell about because we've done healing and moved past them. No, it's funny because even when I was telling a couple of people that I was jumping on the podcast, obviously people are not in our inner circle. They're not in our inner circle that see us every day. They're like, oh, wow, really? And I'm like, guys, it's been like five years in counting. And at the end of the day, I always tell people it's like, that's my family, right? And we're going to be family regardless whether you like me one day or you don't. We're still going to be family. Oh, and that happens. Of course. There's days that I'm like, Tristan, I fucking hate you. You're not talking to me for the rest of the week. And then I hang up on him and we don't talk. And then, you know, Tristan, I will get into it. Well, I think that's just family in general, you know? Sometimes you get me riled up. So sometimes we just need a like a breathing session. But that's family. There's moments in times where I'm sure you can't stand your siblings. And there's definitely moments in times where sometimes I can't stand my siblings. So I mean, that's just family. So family goes through. And I think, um, here we are. Speaking of family, why don't you tell people a little bit about yours. How many siblings do you have? Like, lay it out for people. Well, I'm the oldest of four. I have myself, Dashaan, Daniel, and Amari. Me and Dashaan are three years apart in age. Well, I might correct four years because I just turn 35. I'm getting old. Daniel is 20, going on to 21, and Amari is 19. Daniel and Dashaan live in Toronto still. That's where I'm from, born and raised. Shout out to six. And then Amari, the youngest, he lives here with us, I would say. Uh, here in Southern California. Obviously, once my mom passed away, I took on that responsibility, which was very important to me. And not just myself, I think, our whole tribe. When I say tribe, it's, it extends from not just me and you. It goes, you know, obviously, our amazing, uh, you know, caregivers, album, the well, but also, you know, so as your mom, your sisters, you know, our housekeepers, everyone that's, everyone that's part of this, this world of ours that has their hands, uh, to help however they can to, whether it's a small lift or a heavy lift, everyone's a part of this. To be honest, I know a lot of people when they go through grief and tough times. People will send you a text. People will show up for a funeral, but then they disappear, right? And it's really about who are the ones that stick with you during these times. I still have your back and always not just text you that they're willing to offer help or grace, but actually show what their actions. And I think a lot of people, for me, I give a lot of flowers to not just you, but everyone that's been part of this. Thank you. Tristan's brother Amari has a syndrome called LGS. And it's something, it's a chromosome disorder. He was born that way. Tristan's mom was a single mother and Tristan's mom, Andrea. Andrea was the sole provider and caretaker for Amari. And so when Andrea died suddenly, she died of a heart attack. And suddenly out of the blue, Amari was left without a caretaker. And so Tristan, because Tristan always lived in the United States for playing in the NBA, they all lived in Toronto. And when we were there handling stuff for your mom's passing and the funeral, it was in that moment that you were like, well, Amari's coming home with us. It wasn't even a thought. And we were blessed enough that Kim had her plane and we were able to transfer Amari back and figure it all out really quickly. And yes, like you said, we needed all the help we can get because Tristan is going through this grieving process of losing his mother. Suddenly, there's so many unexpected things and then having to then figure out how do we become responsible for Amari? So at that time, I don't even think Tristan and I were actually really even talking very much. And of course, when something horrible and horrific happens, like the loss of a parent, we put all of our BS aside and we just as my family, that's what we do. We stick together and we help one another. Yeah, that's what family does. I mean, obviously it's not the same. But I mean, when you went through your surgery, whether it was with tumor or something, right? And, you know, obviously, not the same level, but everyone was there for you. That's what family's about, right? It's not, it's not just a condition. It's unconditional, right? So, like you said, we might have been speaking or we might have been speaking very vaguely, but, you know, family always step up during times of need. Yeah, are they shut? You hope. They really should. How has it been with that transition of taking care of Amari for you? Because I also want to point out Tristan moved to America at a very young age because he was and is the sole financial provider for his family. I moved to the state when I was 16. I was begging my mom probably since the age of 13 to want to move to the United States because the reality was I knew that basketball was going to be our way to having as close enough to financial freedom as possible. We might have or be able to achieve. So, I remember I used to write notes to my mom and let her select why I need to go play in the United States because the reality at the time, you know, Canadian basketball wasn't that great. You know, imagine being in eighth grade playing with guys that are sophomore and juniors and competing with them. It's just your window of growth is so small. So, it wasn't really until I started to play really more travel ball and travel to the states. A lot of my mom seeing when going to these tournaments how much attention and love I was getting from, you know, coaches and scouts in the states where she knew that this could actually be a real career path. And for me, I decided, you know, I'm willing to sacrifice my teenage years of, you know, whether it's going to prom or going to movies or just like just being a teenager, right? And I said, you know, I rather sacrifice that because I'm playing for a bigger goal. Our goal is to like tell your parents, like, you know, I have to work again, retire your parents. I think that's the one of the most rewarding gifts you can give because our parents sacrificed so much and even so much more behind the scenes that we don't even see. So, being able to give that gift, that was always my goal. I remember I was a kid that used to put on posted notes where my goals were and I used to put them on my mirror, my bathroom. And I remember, you know, it said, we not going to play in a country in high school, becoming McDonald's All American, which in that time, you're basically the top 24 high school players. So that's a prestigious thing. You know, Michael Jordan, all the greats were a part of that game, going to high division one college and making the NBA. And, you know, And did you do any of those things? I achieved every single goal of mine on that note. But then I, you know, it's crazy when we're kids, you know, little things like that, we might think it means nothing. But it's like you're manifesting it, right? In the morning, we were brushing your teeth. Teeth, you're seeing it. It's crazy now at the age of 34, now 35. I've kind of got back to those kid of roots now where I have a whiteboard in my office and I write down my goals. And I think, I remember you mentioned it a couple new years, years ago, mood board, right? You know, manifesting. I think you're a big believer of that. And, you know, we had that as children and I'm bringing it back now to my adult years. And I feel like it's working. I love that. It is. And it's writing your thoughts out, writing that it's your believing it. And you have to do it from a perspective that you're not saying one day, like you have to believe it's happening now. And you're saying one of your kids' goals is to retire their parents. What did your mom do as a career? And were you able to retire your mother? My mom having me at 21, very young, really didn't have the means and the living setup situation to really take care of me on her own with my dad at the time. So my grandma raised me. The reason why I write left hand is because my grandma spent a lot of time with them. My first three or four years until my mom was able to financially take over and have me for a full time routine. But, you know, I think that's part of where I get this hard work. You know, I remember my mom having three jobs, baggage groceries, being a school bus driver, and babysitting kids. And I think that work ethic, kind of that DNA is, it fell into my soul and spirit as well. I mean, if you look at my career, the way that I play the game has always been the guy that's punched a clock in and done all the the little things that might not show up on the box score, but it's what takes to win. And, you know, I learned that from my mom that hard work always beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. So I think, I'm very, very fortunate to learn a lot from her, grew up in government housing. When you're young, you think that's, like, great living. And I remember talking to my friend, Rell, and I used to remember, like, on the weekends, I would go to my cousin's house a lot. And I remember, like, starting to replay, like, the areas they lived in. And I said, "Man, I had an apartment on like the 14th floor, but they had homes." And then my buddy Rell was like, "Yeah, the parents are probably doing pretty well." And when you're a kid, you don't notice the difference. You're so numb to that stuff. But then as you start to replay it, you know, I realized, like, my parents worked to the nail to provide for us. And those same sacrifices I wanted to, you know, pay it back, pay it forward. And were you able to? Yeah. I remember, June 26, 2011, in New York, New Jersey, Prudential Center, getting drafted. Number four pick overall, shaking David Stern's hand. That's on the greatest feelings in my life. Being able to just look at my mom and, you know, the ESPN camera panning to her and, you know, showing her love and talking about her story and how it meant a lot to me was a great feeling. But I was just the beginning. And was she retired that day on? A moment. Wow. That moment she never, she never drove a school bus again, never bagged the grocery, never babysit, never had to do all that. And the reason why I wanted her to just focus on a Mari, right? I remember she used to bring a Mari on the school bus and have to do all that. And that was, that's a lot. That's a lot for anyone. That's the physical battle and everything, right? It's just tough on a parent. And especially like, always tell people, like, you know, you judge someone based on how they treat the family and how they take care of them all. You guys know how much I love the art of gift giving. I always still love sending a candle or a beautiful bouquet. Those gifts are classics for a reason. 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Zero point foods are basically those staples you can build meals around without stressing every little choice, which I love because life is already complicated enough. As you've heard me talk about on the podcast a ton, so many of my friends are using and loving Weight Watchers and they swear by zero point foods. Whether that be as a source of fuel and energy throughout the day or hacks to give their go-to recipes a new life, and the best part, you don't have to even track them. Weight Watchers is all about choice. So with that, we're putting a little spin on a classic Kiss Merry Kill. I'm going to be given three zero point foods and I have to decide which one I'd want to kiss, which one I'd want to marry, and which one I'd want to. I'm sorry. Not keep around aka kill. So let's do it. I'm excited to play. Caviar kiwi or cottage cheese. Okay, I'm going to Merry cottage cheese. I'm going to kill caviar and I'll kiss Kiwi. And I'm saying that because also cottage cheese without the protein, you know, big fan. Next one is lobster eggs or chickpeas. I'm gonna marry eggs. Hmm, maybe kiss chickpeas. I'm sure that's gonna get a lot of commentary. I know and kill lobster, sorry. Sorry lobster. Okay, next one, tuna, mango or edamame. Oh my God, I love edamame. So I'm marrying edamame. I didn't know that a mango would be on the zero points list. Hell yeah. This is a hard one. Okay, definitely marry edamame. Kiss a mango and kill the tuna. Wait, strawberries, sweet potato or Greek yogurt. Damn, man. These are good snacks, by the way. Merry strawberries. Kiss a sweet potato by by Greek yogurt. Sardines, arugula and beans. Sardines, you're killed, sorry. Let's marry arugula and kiss beans. Oysters, beets and grilled chicken. I'm gonna marry grilled chicken. I'm gonna kiss a beet and I will not do anything with an oyster. Nothing. Apples, shrimp or grapefruit? Merry apples, kiss grapefruit, no shrimp. Hard boiled eggs, apricots, spaghetti squash. Damn, this is a good one too. Let's marry hard boiled eggs. Let's kiss spaghetti squash and apricots. I do love them, but we could kill them. Okay, that was actually way harder than expected, but a lot of fun. And honestly, doesn't it just show how many more options there are when it comes to zero-point foods? Like, that was a lot of snacks. You can mix, match, build meals, whatever works for your lifestyle and your goals. If you're interested in trying Weight Watchers, go to WeightWatchers.com, use code Chloe and get an extra 20% off your first month. Offer applies to select plans. Restrictions apply in the offer ends May 31st, 2026. A huge thank you to Weight Watchers for sponsoring this segment. And now I kind of want to snack. And where is your dad in all of this? My dad growing up, he was around. He was a construction worker. So he'd be up at six o'clock, doing construction work. And then he pivoted to doing truck driving. And I still tell you, I remember my dad one time, he drove from Toronto, Canada to Miami, Florida and less than 24 hours. So that was pretty impressive. But I think also like, I give him a lot of credit too because he was a hard worker. I think I just grew up in a house with just hard working individuals and great human beings. Maybe some of them misunderstood. And maybe, you know, we're not all perfect. Could my upbringing be better? Yes. Do I wish my parents are better than I make totally? Do I wish my dad was maybe more involved or maybe better to my mom totally? But, you know, that's life, right? Nothing can be perfect. And it's just about how can the kids in next generation be better? When it comes to Amari, something that even actually for all of my nieces and nephews, including my own kids, I love that we have Amari for so many reasons. When your mom was here, obviously, we saw Amari, but it would be so seldomly. Especially the cousins, not all of them got to see him frequently. Now that we have Amari full time, I'm so happy that they get to be exposed to someone as special as Amari is. And I feel like they get to ask all those questions privately that maybe they wouldn't either know how to act or like we were at True's birthday party in Amari was there. And a little girl came up to me and said, why isn't he talking? And I said, oh, he can't talk. And she's like four. And she goes, did Ursula take his voice? - I remember hearing that. - And I said, who's Ursula? Like, I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, Ariel. And I was like, oh my gosh, that is the cutest, like the way that child connected the dots. I thought it was so innocent, so pure. I'm not offended. I love that people ask and even are curious about Amari. But those questions, I think if you're in the real world or to a stranger, someone might be offended. Like, I love the exposure the kids get. I love, hopefully the empathy and understanding that they get to take away from being around Amari, losing your mom. Has it made you show up as a parent in a different way? Like, do you think if your mom was here, do you think you would be a different type of parent? - I think I'd be a different parent. I think losing my mom made me realize that, I think this is the first thing. I think you're never gonna cry or be as sad as the way you're gonna feel when you lose a mother. And I remember getting that advice from a barber in Miami one time, crazy nothing. When my mom did pass, I remember his voice replaying in my brain, saying you're never gonna cry until your mom passed away. But I think for me, I realized that, you know, I think I dedicated my life so much to just make her proud and make her happy. And, you know, losing her, I realized that, at some point in time, you gotta pivot and like, you gotta make yourself happy first, right? Like, you gotta love yourself from within. And I think sometimes in our world, we spend so much time giving energy to things that don't really matter and forgetting like it starts with us. Like, I can't help you if I can't help myself. I can't help my kids if I can't help myself. So I think that's the biggest takeaway from me. All this is like, learning to love myself and just being there for myself and making myself happy. But I'll say, during that grieving process, I think I poured more into my kids because that was the one area where I knew I had like that love that was just, you know. - Unconditional. - Unconditional, but it was just more like, you were just like, you're the super man, you're the super hero. And even if you're going through a bad, even if you're having a bad day, the kids will wanna go in a trampoline or go bike riding or get ice cream. Like. - Well, children are very healing because they are so innocent and pure. And you also look at them and then it just puts life into perspective, especially during the loss. So I understand that. - Yeah, it's just like, you're just pouring to them more. And I always tell people, they helped me get out of that dark hole, the kids. I think not just the children we share and my oldest, but also like, you know, the cousins, you know, nieces and nephews that I have. I think that whole little young bunch of brilliant young creative minds helped me a lot. - They do. And I mean, people always wonder why I want to be with the kids all the time. I'm like, why would I not? They're the best. And true looks so much like your mom. - No, she does. That's why when I look at true, I remember at the school they used to do like the kindergarten and recials and used to sing at the end, like last day of school. - Uh huh. - Yeah, like I remember just looking at her one time and just like, kids you're not just like, seeing my mom's face. And I remember like, shedding a tear just because it's like they resemble each other so much. And they have so many like their characteristics in terms of like me out of feel and being empathetic and just being just like their heart is so like just, it's just like a crystal ball. It's just so pure and amazing. And you just cannot just love on them. - Like for co-parenting. Did you expect our co-parenting to go the way that it goes? - What was my expectations going into co-parenting with you? - I guess. - Yeah, the fact that you were brought up in a household where co-parenting was part of your guys everyday life. I think I never ever crossed my mind whether or not it was gonna be able to work. I think it was gonna be more so, can we come to a place of maturity? We're emotionally, we don't get frustrated because of maybe our relationship not working or being where we're at, you know, where we would probably wanna be or maybe should have been in our personal relationship. That was probably only the one area where you wonder like, how's this gonna look? But I always knew it would work because it's not foreign to you. Obviously it's new for me, but I feel like, you know, I'm a chameleon and you're such a chill person. So I was never worried about the co-parenting part 'cause I think it's, you know, you were around it. - I always am like, why is Tristan around? Like that's always a question I see, which I find so insane because I'm like, well Tristan is the father of my kids and Tristan will be around as long as, you know, you wanna be around and you wanna be present in your kids' lives. If I don't have to do two separate birthday parties and two this, I don't want to, that's not the way it should be. So, and also, I do think people forget. Five years have gone by since we've broken up. You and I have dealt with a lot of really personal things during those five years. You've had the loss of your mother. I think the loss of any parent is the most, it's the most transformative and horrible experience to ever go through. Also, the care of your brother, that's like one of the most serious responsibilities and having to go through that, I think that when you and I were together, you probably, obviously you just thought, oh, I don't know what you thought. I'm gonna say what I think you thought. When you and I were together, it's like, Oh, this is great, but I got this, this girl's here. You can do whatever you want. I think after the true cheating, when I stayed, I'm sure that let you, even subconsciously think, oh, I can do this again, she'll stay again and again. Who knows, I'm giving you what I'm thinking. Then when you and I really broke up, you and I definitely weren't talking for a little bit, but then with the loss of your mother and all these things, I think you started to see me in a different light. You started to see me in like, wow, she's really there for me. And she's there for me when she doesn't have to be. And we started to connect on very serious matters, whether it be, you know, grief and death. Or now we have to communicate for the care of Amari and how do we do so and still co-parent. And I think it just made you see me in a different light and we became really good friends. And now we lean on each other in a friendship way. You're a great dad. I love how much time you want to spend with your kids. I never want to take that away from my children because they of course love you, you're their father. And I think you and I have grown to have this different level of respect. And we just have a totally different relationship than we did when we were dating. Like I saw you did a podcast and you were like, I would do anything for Chloe. And I saw a lot of the comments were like, oh, you would do anything but be faithful. That was one of them. That bothered me because yes, you've done dumb shit but also it was so many years ago. I'm not excusing it. I'm saying we're in a totally different phase now. And I think when you said that comment that you would do anything for me, you mean like the person that you know now. I think a much more mature level of respect and it's without intimacy, which I think is also a much deeper level because what's keeping us here is true solid qualities about one another. There's no intimacy distracting or tainting our thought process here. We also live in the same community. There's so many things that why shouldn't you be around? I think as long as you keep your own personal issues out of it, for me, the more the merrier when it comes to our kids. - Yeah, no, I think, I think it's the most beautiful thing about this podcast that we're doing is that we are showing people that co-parenting can work. And I think the reason why people ask you that question is because other people, or maybe themselves, them and whoever they're older, ex significant other is there's no sign of respect. I think it starts with respect. I think the fact that we both respect each other, that's the pillar, right? You can't have a good co-parent relationship if you don't respect other person. And when people break up and whether you have a baby mom or a baby daddy, there's a lot of disrespect that happens. I think it's whether it's someone is maybe publicly dating where people think it's too early or maybe one might do something very disrespectful, maybe like what's making it up, like talk on social media bad about someone, right? Like it all stems from disrespect. And I think more people are used to co-parents being disrespectful than actually learning to just be respectful and loving and starting from there. I think so the people that say that is because they don't see that too often. - But I also think like just to keep it real, you and I can be disrespectful. - Yeah, but we keep that private. But I think 'cause it's natural to be like get the fuck out or whatever. - Yeah, but that's just anger, right? I think respect is like people love that. - But yes, what I hear is people will be like, why don't you give that same energy to Tristan? - Listen, I've given you all the energy, but I'm not gonna do it on a public platform because my kids will see that one day. You're the only person I have kids with. So I can give every other person public energy all I want. I'm not gonna give it to you because that's just not how my brain works for the sake of my kids. If we didn't have kids, it would be a different story. But I also wouldn't be hanging out with you now if we didn't have kids. It would just be a different situation. And so I don't know why people can't. - See it from that perspective. - I mean, that's all they see. - You guys know how intentional I am about what I eat, especially when it comes to protein. 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The reality is, listen, guys, the person we were five years ago is totally different now. We've had real life shit happen to us. But we've grown. And I think people worry about too much of the past. And when I mean people, not us, I think we've had our conversations. Of course, we've done things we're not proud of. I've done things I'm not proud of. Anyways, this done the third. And it doesn't mean we take it away. Yes, me, but I'm just saying, there's times where you might have said something to me that was very disrespectful. I'm proud of all of those things I've said to you. What do you mean? The most dirty and disrespectful things I've said, I do not take back. Okay, yeah. But like I said, we've all done things that might have upset the other side. Yeah. And I'm fine with it. And that's fine. You're allowed to feel the way you feel. And I can feel the way I feel. But the most important thing now is that we are evolving each and every day. And the ones that want to harp on the past, that's for them to keep doing that. And that's a shame because they're going to miss out on a great podcast between us in terms of evolution. I don't know what that last sentence is. What I will say is at the beginning. And like for anyone that, because people obviously, how do you get to that point? That's a question I get. So I will say it's not easy to get to that point of like real forgiveness. I would say number one for me, it's, I do think it takes one person to just sort of, like be the one that's like, you know what? I'm not going to let this bother me. Like you have to let things go, pick and choose your battles. Because it's really easy to just be petty and nitpick every little thing. But one person does have to be the one that's like, it's okay. Let's move on. Let's work past this. I've been going to therapy and that helped a lot for me, I think. And also I like, I've discovered during my therapy journey that I have very, you're going to laugh at me, but I'm very like emotionally mature. And by saying that, I know you're going to laugh at me. Like I'm very emotionally mature, which means like it is a gift in a curse, but it means that even when you do something wrong. I have so much empathy for why you acted a certain way. Not saying I'm excusing it. Not saying I'm condoning it. It's just saying I can understand a little. Okay, you're an adult now. This is stemming from something to do when you were a child, how you were treated at some point. This is not something on me. I'm not deserving of this. - Agreed. - Agreed. Good for you. What I do appreciate about you is how much you, I would say either trust me or respect me, baby, it's both when it comes to parenting. If I'm picking a school or a doctor or this, you trust me enough knowing that always my first goal in life is for their protection and their safety. And you're always so good at like trusting me with that. That eliminates so much tension. 'Cause I do know a lot of parents, co-parents are nitpicky just for the sake of being nitpicky. - I think half the time they nitpick is because they actually like don't like each other. You know when you don't like someone, you'll find any reason to be upset with them or any reason just to be combative just to like cause a shit storm. So I think the reason why we don't have that issue parenting, is a bunch of things. I think the way your father raised you guys and the way I was raised was very a throwback old school way and old school mentality, which I think we're on the same line with that. So that's one reason why I think it works for us. And I always tell people, I don't have to worry about Chloe when it comes to parenting our children because it was really very similar. Our media household, Jamaican household to some traditions and values that were there that have stuck with our parenting skills. I think you don't let society dictate how you parent and for someone, you know, for us as like celebrities or people of status, sometimes others that are in our position get kind of fall into this kind of like sheep mentality and go with the wave. And I think we're just more shepherds and how we like to run our house. Not saying the way you run our house is the right way, but it works for us. And that's all that really matters. - What is something funny that either of the kids have done to make you laugh recently? - Mm. I mean, I love when Tatum calls you like Chloe or like Auntie Coco. Like Tatum like purposely trolls you. - Yeah. - And it's almost like. - It does. - It's like it's like me Rob and like Tatum, we're just like to troll you all the time. He must be like, I don't know what the sun rising moaning, he might be like a Pisces in one of those things. I don't know much about that stuff. But yeah, I think I love when Tatum trolls you. - Great. - It's very funny and you know that. But also it's like I think he has, obviously I wasn't around for your childhood. But I think there's a lot of you and him. So I think you like to say it's Rob, but I think like you and Rob were like twins. So it's like really like you. - Oh, you're not like twins. - You guys are like twins. You guys have a lot of similarities. You guys just, you know. - We're similar. - Very similar. - But very different. - Very similar. If you ask OG Chris, she will say. - Oh gosh. What qualities do your kids have that reminds you of you? - Okay. What true the quality that she has of yours is your heart and like caring for other people and you know, true the type of person that will, you know, give her a last jelly bean to a kid that maybe is hungry or wants to snack. Very similar to you. A quality of true has of mine is, you know, she looks like me, you know. She has long legs like me. - She's great at math. - Great at math like me. Yeah, that was a strong suit of mine. I never, never enjoyed reading. And what about Tatum? - Tatum, he is, his energy. - It's crazy. - Yeah, his energy like high energy. I mean, it makes sense. Like when I look at him, I'm like, no wonder I can rebound and play hard for 48 minutes and not get tired. It's in him. He's got that ball of energy. But he has this sweet side where he just wants to like grab your face and kiss you and he's like, "Mom, he come and he just holds your face." And then after that, he's like, "Oh, it's time to go run around." Something that I do love and appreciate you as a father because I'm like this too. And I didn't realize how much I should have realized 'cause my dad was always really goofy and like got down and played with us. He was never too like grown to be with us. My dad was always a big kid. And you are like that with the kids. And I love that. Like I think that's a great quality for anyone to have is you can buy your kids anything, but they really just want you to get down and play with them. And when you play with them or when you're being silly and dancing with them, like that means so much to them. I know they might not see that now, but definitely when they're older, they will look back 'cause we do. And I'll be like, "Oh, my dad and the pool." They're like the things he would do and he would just do silly dances. And so that's one quality that I love as a father about you and I think is really great and they love it. - Yeah, I think it's those memories, right? I mean, I never got to share those memories with my dad. Maybe it was because he was working long an hour showing a provider for us. I don't know what to read. Maybe he was just not around to not be around. But for me it was just, like you said, kids remember everything because even me, I remember moments that are not the greatest that I experience with my dad, but you always take it with you. That kids never forget. So it's important, but I think it's even more when you're losing my mom being able to pour into them, it just doesn't stop, right? It's not just because of me grieving, I pour into them. It's a continued thing. And, you know, I like to be able to joke around. But that's always why I wanted to have kids at a young age because I never wanted to be that. - You wanting to have kids at a young age was planned? - Well, I'm just asking. - I mean, I knew I always wanted to have kids at a young age. I don't, I mean, how would-- - Your face looked terrified. - I'm like, oh my god. No. - I mean, it was just a question. - Listen, the most important thing is that I wanted my kids at a young age because I wanted it not to be the old guy at graduation. I wanted to be the young dad was like hip tapped in. - I'd be able to play at my kids. - That wasn't like, so I got you a question. - I mean, I wasn't sure. - I was sure. - Do you ever feel uncomfortable at like the birthday parties or like the family events? - Not as a late, I would say this. I would say-- - Definitely her first birthday was horrible. - Oh yeah, at first birthday was-- - That was tragic. - It was a, yeah, it was a, you know what, it was so much feelings and like energy behind it. I mean, like, the reality is like, thinking about it, 'cause even during that time, I was still like sending you flowers and writing you cards. So of course, I was trying to like bring us back together, but obviously, you know, being at the first birthday of our daughter and having that emotion and still, you know, loving and caring about you, of course, 'cause it'll be a lot of emotions and sometimes-- - It was crazy. - We're not able to control that. Shit happens. And I think it's early 'cause I think it's like, damn, I wish I had my family together to do all this like a family thing. But as time progresses and I realize like, I think we are in the best place we've ever been. I think we're better now as like our dynamic, like our connectivity is better now than even when we were together. - I agree. Who do you think the stricter parent is? - I think because the kids spend more time with you, I think you might be more strict. - But I do that intentionally. - You'd love to, right? - I've said to Tristan, because they live with me full time. I don't want when Tristan comes around if he's the strict parent and then be like, "Dad's here," and like-- - Big bad bosses here. - Yeah, but he's strict or he'll say something to me but I say, "Let me discipline." Because I'm also the really fun parent, but I don't want them to see your fun too. But you're not there 24/7. And so I don't want them thinking like, "Oh, I'd never want them scared of Tristan." Or, and he's also so big, Tristan 6/10. I just know all of those things as a kid plays a toll. So I am the disciplinary, but that was done with intention. And I was thoughtful about that. But if like, when they're older, I know especially Tatum. I know there's gonna be a time that it's probably, he won't care what I say. Like, when he's a teenager, he'll be afraid of his dad. But for now, I like being the disciplinary. And I just think it's the best way for the kids to still be like, "Daddy, all of that jazz." Do you love-- I know you love personally about all the cousins, like for yourself and your healing. But do you love that these kids have built in best friends? Do you wish they had more outsider friends? No, I love that the fact that all the kids like to spend time because it's like that some people might be like, "Oh, that's a little coltish. We don't let them leave." No, it's not coltish. I think the reality is that to be honest, I just don't trust motherfuckers. Me neither. And I don't trust motherfuckers around my kids, and I don't play about where it comes to my kids. At least when it comes to nieces and nephews, we spend a lot of time together and we know their parents. And everyone could kind of be accounted for, right? We know what's going on. So I love it. I love the fact that everyone is reproducing and putting more babies on this earth than our family circle. - Reproducing is crazy. - Should we have another one? - No. - Okay. - I'm okay. 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But when it comes to dating, do you have a time frame for when you would introduce someone to the kids, or do you think about that, or is that just like a hard no, or do you not think about it? It's a hard no, but I was just- Why kids? That you're just never going to introduce someone to the kids? No, because I think like- and this is just me. I don't think it's smart. If me and you are not going to get married, because I don't even think like engaging is engaging is cool. You mean to another? Yeah, so like I'll give you an example, right? I would not like- I don't even want to speak for myself, but I just say like I don't think it's wise for parents to introduce a boyfriend or girlfriend to their kids unless this individual is going- you're going to get married to them. Because I'm not going to confuse my kids where if something doesn't work, then this person is gone and then you have to like kind of like recalibrate everyone's brain like- I get that. But also, wouldn't you not know if you want to marry someone unless your kids sort of approve of it? Well, the reality is I don't think our kids would ever approve of it. I don't think true and Tate will ever approve of it. I think you would have to, like knowing- dating somebody for a year or two years is still like- even a year is still- still- still- still- to early. But then how do your kids get to like bond with that person for you to realize, okay, I can move on. Like I can move forward with that. Because if my kids were like, I hate this person or whatever, I would- there's not a chance. Well, I mean, I think more than likely our kids would probably say that so. True is very protective of me and you know- Tate is like, no, our kids are very protective of each other, right? So I don't think that- Right now, the dating thing, you just wouldn't introduce anyone to your kids. Absolutely not. I think I signed off for two embryos, so I mean, if I do have more kids that are becoming from- you know, I already have enough baby moms that I don't want no more. Yeah, it's not enough. And who helped you fix that decision? That was me. Yeah. Tristan may have had a little ultimatum from me. What? Getting neutered? Yep. Yeah, sometimes you got to lay them nuts on the table. What? Okay. It's a podcast. You could say whatever you want. Yeah. Oh, my back. Shout out our sponsors. Oh yeah. Sometimes you have to make the right- you know, sometimes- No, sometimes you have to get forced into the right decision. Yeah, you know, I've been a little hardheaded at times. More times than not, which I wish I wasn't as stubborn, but, you know, I guess I am an experienced learner. I learned from experience, not as much as like being told, which is unfortunate, but it's part of life. It's part of the journey. I thought. So it is what it is. But yeah. So no more kids for you. No more kids unless it's coming from Chloe's embryos. Yes. God. How about them? You did save sperm in case you wanted to do that. So what do we have right now? We saved sperm because I said what if you get married and your wife doesn't have kids and you want to do that. So we did that because you could also reverse it. No, I'm not laying down on that table again. Okay. It wasn't bad. You were like up and walking. Yeah. It's 15 minutes. It's quick. I tell you guys, it's very quick. I remember going home and walking. I wasn't there. I just meant the next day I remember you took true to lunch. Yeah. That's all. So like you were. Company is there. We all watched the NBA finals together. I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. It was a Milwaukee versus Phoenix game. Game two. Oh my gosh. Game two. My buddy pounded here. Okay. He's still like after a bad time. It's like you're out of there. I'm leaving. Yeah. And I don't like hanging out if it's not with the kids. I mean, you did come over. Who? Kylie, her boyfriend, his mom, everyone was there for Mother's Day. I mean, my house is very, I think, I think the reason why you, um, and one time in five years, you're going to throw that in my face after Mother's Day the whole thing. It was definitely more than one time you built it to my house. Well, I'm just saying, please, yeah. My house is very homey. You leave safe. It's good energy. I love your house. Love, love, love your house. What are you doing career wise, hobby wise? I know you just retired from a 14 year NBA career, which is crazy. And how's that transition going for you? Um, honestly, it's been great. You know, I would always tell people, it feels like I'm a rookie again. You know, for me, you know, at some point, father time wins, and I think you have to figure out how you're going to pivot. I think the toughest thing for anyone, um, but just for athletes is figuring out what's next. Not these, um, the easiest transition is going into sports broadcasting because I think it's a way that you can still stay part of the game and just talk about what you love. It's no different than you being on the couch or being at the barbershop. Uh, well, for me, also not only just doing that, I said, you know, what can I do that can be impactful and kind of be, you know, be outside the box. Uh, two guys that I look at also not everyone can do it. You are so good with your words and you have so much retention of sports like you are bizarre and you like remember stats that are crazy, like not everyone can do that. And you're also like you just, you're so good with your words and you're so great at doing that and being on camera. So you do have to also pat yourself on the back when you do NBA TV and all of that. Yeah. Really because I'm maybe Canadian and, you know, lived around all over America and traveled, you know, basketball has helped me travel the world and always I think it's because I've always been a sponge. But now for me, it's about pivoting into. you know, AI and tech, and kind of the way I look at it, it's about how can I be part of world-of-world is going and not where the world is currently at? I think when the narrative right now, 'cause it's important to me, is that people think, like when they hear about AI, they think it's like all bad, and they're like, oh, AI, is it gonna take away like our jobs? And I'm like, no, the way the way I approach it, the way you have to look at AI is this, right? A farmer now, instead of worrying about, you know, the hard labor, physical, wear and tear of the body, where you can focus now on building your business, expanding your farm, you know, it's the business side of it where they can focus on. So that's just where my head's at, and I'm excited about it. - I will say, but Alexa will always, like she'll see a video of you and she'll send it to me and be like, I have, like, we're just so proud of your transition from basketball to your other interests, because that transition is hard, your whole identity, for basically your whole life is NBA. I think your ability that you've been able to transition as seamlessly if you have is really admirable, and I love that you are not afraid to try new things, but even your journey to the White House. It's really, really inspiring, I think, for so many people, you're learning about AI and crypto and trading and all the things that are the future. - No, thank you, but I think a lot of athletes, when you come to this crossroads of like, it's being over, the show being over, I think a lot of guys waste time on like, sitting on their own shit and like, trying to figure like, why is it over or like, can I still come back and play? But for me, it's like, no, the iron's hot onto the next, because at the end of the day, it's very, it's like in every profession, right? You're gonna always have this halo around your head of like this cachet, and the longer you wait to pivot, the halo becomes less, the light dims. So for me, it's like, I'm not gonna wait five, four years to get back into doing something else. I'm gonna go right away. - How did you handle when the world was so opinionated of you? You were really good at that. - Yeah, you know, to be honest, this is my upbringing. I've been through so much real shit in my life, that's like life or death situations, that I've probably built this kind of like survival mode in me mentally, on how to like still like show up to work and like, do my job and not let whatever happening in my personal life affect my job, because if tough times happening in your life and then you're compromising your job, then you're not gonna have no fucking job. And you need your job to fucking take your kids and take your bills and take care of your family, because I have responsibility. It's not just taking care of myself. I'm taking care of, you know, my brothers. - But do you think it affected your mental health at all? Or was it easy for you to like, drown it out? - I just say when I'm reporting to my kids, I think I just poured more into the sport and just stayed at the gym, lived at the gym, made the gym my sanctuary. But in terms of, of course, mentally does it maybe take a toll on you, but maybe, but I think I just, the crazy thing about professional sports in NBA is that you gotta always be ready to play and play at a high level, because if you're not playing at a high level and everyone knows about your personal situation, then you're not gonna get a job, so. - Right. - You understand as well, right? I think for you, you know, what we've been through, you could easily just say, hey, I'm not filming, I'm not working, I'm not showing up for these appearances, but money off of me if I make money at the work. - What do you want people to take away from you and I sitting on this couch together? - The number one is that co-parenting can work. I think it all starts with the-- - Even in the worst of circumstances, it can. - But I'm telling you, all stems from this level of respect. Just because me and you might, you might say, you might curse at me and I might hate curse at you. - In my head. - And I might walk off and excuse myself because I don't wanna say something I might regret. Likewise with you, there's still a level of respect. We walk away because of a level of respect, right? So I think that's the number one thing. And then also just like, we're all evolving. I think people just need to understand like, listen, what happened to past, no, I'm not proud of it. No one likes it. I hate it, it was not a good time in either of our lives. But it's about like moving, not moving forward, but like we're evolving. We're changing, I think we're in a better place now than we were when we were intimate. And I think that's something that's very important that we can grow. What about you? What do you want to be taken away? What do you want, when everyone turns off this program? What do you want people to say? Because you said you were nervous do you think people are going to kill us about this show? No, I'm going to hear it regardless, but I'm not nervous. I'm the one that willingly had you on. I more get sick and tired of the commentary because I'm like, you guys, I don't love what happened. I'm not saying that, but it all happened for the greater good. I really do think so. I, for whatever reason it was meant to happen, not the cheating part, but like you and I weren't meant to end up together. You and I were meant to have these beautiful kids were great co-parenters. You're a great present dad. I'm grateful for so much of what we have now, but I want people to just realize like you can, people can do you wrong, you can forgive, you can move on, you can coexist, you can still be a great parent, show up for the people around you the way that you should. I feel like there's so many things that people use, oh, someone wronged me and they use that as this shield or an excuse to just be a bad person, to be something like, it takes so much more energy for me not to move past something, then it does to move past something. I just think I want people maybe to, I don't care to have anyone's acceptance. I'm not asking for that. I think maybe this podcast would help people see our relationship more, see how you and I are with one another. It's not for people to agree. It's not for people to disagree. It's, this is what works for you and I. We've found a good flow. We have two beautiful, healthy, great children. And I feel like we're doing something right. Doesn't mean it happens every day, but for the overall part, I'm really proud of you and I and how we've gone here. Yeah, it works with, I mean, we do Carpool and we order Chaiti lattes and it works. I mean, and I appreciate you and you've been a great mom and been great for a Marry and so it works. I mean, thank you. Question, when a man says, I'm not proud of what I've done, right? Do you have that realization when you're doing it? Or you discover that later? No, later. And that, not in the moment. Right, but like how much later, like once you're caught or do you feel that way when you're done doing it? They post nuts syndrome. What? Don't. Oh, sorry. I was a little too focused. So then why do you keep redoing it? That is a, that's a trillion dollar question. I don't know. I mean, I can't speak for other people for myself. I think just life was moving very quickly for me at the time when we were together. I probably didn't do the best job of navigating my truth above what, like where I was at. And maybe just honestly, probably it's a little case of just like being young and wanting your cake and eat it too, but just don't know how to proud. Like it's just life. It's just a lot going on in life at the time for me. So not proud of it, of course not. But like you said, I think it's a, sometimes we need a wake-up call. And unfortunately, you know, you never want good people to fall to the sword of that. - Just a question. Have you ever thought about what you're gonna say for if and when, because the wind will happen when your kids ask you like what happened between us? - I've definitely thought about that. And I am, like you said, it's not about if it's when. I think it just depends on which age we have this conversation. When I have this conversation with the kids, but I think it's just more leading by just being accountable and depends on the age bracket of wherever they were at, then diving to it, how I see fit. But the most important thing is that, you know, accountability, how much I, you know, love, love mommy and go from there. - I mean, you just have to be honest, that's all. - Yeah. - It's really what? - It's all the ones honesty, you know, and love. - And love. - Do you think if you guys met later in, like, things would have been different? - Yeah. - Oh. - Yeah, definitely. I think, oh, some people, I think it's the right person, wrong time. And I mean, I think it's the very, like, maybe it's a cliche to think it's like, oh, blah. But it's true, like, you know, it's unfortunate. - That response was crap. - Yeah, 'cause then I was like, oh, bye, I didn't want to say that. But it's like, honestly, it's fucking true, right? And I think, I think we've had the conversation, but it's just, if I was the age I am now, or even a couple of years before, would our world look different? Probably so, I guess things happen for a reason. - That they do. - And you never know how life happens, you know, maybe like, who knows? - No, I think we know, I think we know. - Oh, let me ask a question. If there's a bunker, and you only could bring X amount of people in, would you bring me in there? - Yeah. - Because that's all I need. - But what is that I'm not having sex with you? - Who's anything about sex? Just making sure, like, - Well, I don't know where this was going. - Oh. - But what I want, I mean, I am gonna be honest, my immediate family. - No, of course I'll get in first, of course. - Like, but if there's room for you. - Where do I fit into food chain? If there's a bring everyone in. - No, you would. - I bet you I go higher than you say that. - You would be on my list. - I think I'm hiring your list and you probably would want to-- - But there's definitely people in front. - I think so, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's as many people in front than like you are considering. - Well, there's 13 grandkids total. So it's 13 of them. - Okay, that's not the children. Okay, let's not put the children in this. Let's pretend all the children just get in there. - That's the light. - If you're telling me they don't count as seats in the bunker. - Okay, what I want you on the list, yes. - All right, my top five. - No. - Oh shit. - Because I have, how many siblings? I have five siblings. - Oh yeah. - Okay, so I have a mom. - I'm top seven. And maybe seven. - But what about my kids? - They don't count, 'cause everyone wants to go to pick kids, of course, they have life to live. You have to put the kids live. - No, but it's a fact. - They don't count. Let's say kids don't count. You can only bring adults. - Okay, Tristan, you'll get in the bunker. - Top seven? - I don't, I can't limit the number right now. But like 10, if we're not counting the 13 kids together, then I don't know, 10 sounds safe. - How was you feeling, police are stating. - The nurse is blessed. - That's true. - Yep, the nurse is blessed. It's the best way to use it. It's my best explanation. - I just don't get guys. Like, wanna have such a problem with people moving on and dating. But like, you guys cause all this. - Yep, just, yeah. I mean, there's no, there's no right answer. I think it's just how we just feel very, I don't know, maybe, I'm gonna say entitled, we just, - No, you feel entitled, possessive, controlling, not you, men. - Yeah, I mean, I think today you're the mother of my kids, I don't think any guys will be good enough for you. - Aww. - I just don't think so. - Wow. - But, so what happens? - What's next for you? - What's next? Keep plugging away, trying to be the best. I wanna be the best in this venture finance technology space. For me, it's more about like, inspiring to youth, doing something outside the box. And like I said, it's like the shack and magic thing where it's like, you know, try to be bigger in this space and I was just then in my playing career. I'm trying to win another championship. And, you know, I won a championship with a jersey in shorts on, I'm trying to win one with a Tom Ford suit on now. - You better, clock it, talk about it. Tristan, thank you so much for coming on. I know it's probably stressful, thinking of doing this. I imagine for you, but I really appreciate it. - No, this was great. Thank you for having me on. Very proud of you, season two. It's been great, you've had some great guests. You've done a great job. - Thank you. - Good work. Nice setup. Good job.