Kevin Quits His Movie | "There" (507)

This is a HeadGum Podcast. On today's episode of That Was Us, we're diving into Season 5 episode 7, there. The Pearson's confront the pressures passed down through generations as we revisit Jack's childhood with his father, watch Kevin grapple with what it means to be a good dad in the middle of a crisis and see Madison face the terrifying possibility of bringing the twins into the world alone. Mandy Moore, Christopher Sullivan, how the hell are you? Sterling, Kelbee Brown, we are lovely. It's so good to see you guys. Great to see you too. I like, you guys had a gray memo. We did. We got the gray memo. And you too. Yeah. And gray sort of thing. Cancer green. Cancer gray. Cancer blue. Do you see green? Aqua. Blue. Blue. Blue green. Yeah. That's Aqua. Right? Blue green. Yeah. Something like that. What's with your orange shirt? That's not what I'm like. Okay. Now we have an answer. I guess if you want to know what we're talking about. Got to check it out on Spotify. Check out the video. There you go. First of all, it's good to see you guys. You too. It's been a minute. Uh, since we've recorded and then so I'm going to let the cat out of the bag. I don't know if we're going to say anything about it now, but like this is the first time we've recorded since we actually recorded the live. We did live. Yes. We did. And so we haven't been able to talk about it. How come they haven't talked about the live shot? I can hear our audience saying it. Yeah. Is because actually we just got finished doing it. Yeah. What a joy you got. That was so joyful. It was friggin' outstanding to be up on stage with you guys. To hear dolls just jam. Yeah. Like to groove, man. To see you do your thing, Mandy Moore, Chris Sullivan, I think I think a lot of people didn't know. I think they didn't know. I mean, when you came out, come and-- It was all the clips going around on socials. I go, yeah, we got clips. Brown's good for a clip. But for performance. That's not true. You're good for the whole. Yeah. The whole night. The whole night. The whole night. Special. From beginning to end could not have gone smooth. It was wonderful. And can I say like an extra special gigantic thank you to everybody who traveled. But we did like a meet and greet with about a hundred people afterwards. So many people were like, this is my date night with my husband from Chicago, from Toronto, from-- Florida. I mean, everywhere and-- You flew in. We were so floored by that. It's interesting because, you know, it takes a certain amount of time to be able to give people their time. But what I found was like, they had so much to pour into us. It was able to-- More than us doing. You know what I'm saying? It was an incredible thing. It was-- It was easy to pour it back out. I can keep doing this. Yeah. Yeah. This is great. We got it. We got a whole box full of gifts. We got-- Somebody brought us a J Candelaria. A trade-- This ball card? This is a trading card. A trading card. Hold that one up. I mean, I feel like that should go in a prop. We got a Stormtrooper. We got-- Oh, no. Oh, no. And somebody made us the missing piece of the puzzle. The puzzle. Jack's eye. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh, wow. And then we got a whole box full of letters. And one, do you save it for now? Let's see. Let's see. Here's one that's addressed to that was us team. So-- I want to take a look. We'll crack that up. We saved. And then I'll keep you guys all of your individual letters. Okay. And some of the things that people said. I remember the sweet. Yeah. So powerful. So warm. That was us team. I think this means you team. Yeah. The whole team. Thank you. So, so, so much for your hard work and the thoughtfulness you put into this podcast. During hard times, it's nice to have an hour of joy that I look forward to every week. You all are doing a great job. Keep up the great work. I hope you all pull up to Austin for South by Southwest or ATX TV Fest. Much love. Amaya. Right. I remember Amaya. She gave us all these cards. Oh, my. This one is too long to read. But maybe what we'll do is we can save these first, like, some fan segments. Okay. And we can read some of them on the fan segments. This is so-- This is so-- We got individual notes. We've got-- We got somebody made this little box. This little book box. little thank you know oh wow of course jacks on it with the dog yeah yeah is on it so it was a wonderful night it was a great uh. mariment marathon music yeah man hopefully if it does well when you guys watch it and everything will have feedback by then and maybe we'll decide to do it again yeah yeah yeah think we should do one in Pittsburgh right we should do on the national go take it on the road take another one go to Cressy we'll see Cressy in there so cool take it to everybody okay we're on uh five seven you guys don't want to have any just like overarching thoughts before we get into the nitty gritty about how this episode hit you did you remember it was it foggy was it clear did not remember it did you didn't remember tall no I mean I remembered some of it but here's what I remember a personal note is I was very close to giving birth I was like like this 508 and 509 was my last episode that I filmed before I gave birth to Gus so I still wasn't a parent yet so I just was watching and I actually had to text Kate Fogelman because I was so moved by her performance I thought she was exceptional her and Justin together so quiet and effortless and the fear of giving birth and potentially doing it by yourself and not having someone they're not having any sort of touchdones you know we'll talk about it more in this episode obviously Justin is away when she goes into labor and he's trying to get back to her but it just really brought me back to that time very much personally speaking of on the precipice of this like gigantic life change and all that just that wave of emotions that's hitting you of like the loss of identity and how scary it is and just everything kind of culminating at once and I just was so moved by her performance in particular it was so I don't know where things were medically when you were about to give birth but like I'm I was like three weeks out of not being allowed into the hospital. Oh yeah yeah yeah so at this time because the pen that was still going on I was a brand new dad when this these episodes were out but when Rachel gave birth there was a distinct possibility that she was also going to be doing it alone yeah yeah for a different reason yeah yeah all of that I mean I just like I don't know if watching this season in particular in the masks and the storyline involving the pandemic sort of like all of it just like really pretty fascinating time yeah I forgot how how much mask there was sure yeah many much mask many much mask were yeah but that was our life that was what we lived with day in and day out no matter where you went where it just yeah it's it is a strange time capsule to be like wow that so long ago and yet also like this forgotten time as well like you just sort of it's like I remember 2019 and like 2023 you know like there's like a couple years in there where you're just like what happened and then two years of cooking dinner it's listen I think it's such a like the idea that we almost I don't think we're ever not going to address the pandemic but if we hadn't it would have been a lost opportunity because now going back and watching it is it is a reminder of like that's what life was like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so let's dig into it so this episode starts out with we we see the opening sort of segment this was the coldest opening that I've and the shortest opening before the title credits correct which is just like a car on fire and we see Kevin Pearson's idea his wallet on the ground and we're like what man don't you be doing that to these people yeah I was like we left the last episode with him being like I can make it yeah right yeah yeah yeah so now we're seeing what we're having after that what a head fake do you want to just get go through Kevin's timeline there sure because what what winds up having is we go back in time yes from from that car crash would have you so now we know okay Kevin was in an accident yeah where is he what's yeah yeah yeah what's going on Kev's on set um he's uh talking to his sister and she's about to go down to San Diego because that's where they're giving birth to uh baby what's what's your mother's name Ellie's giving birth to their right so she's got her head down and and Kev Center gift is all very cutesy talks to Madison cool wonder if having to go in this conversation she's like I gotta go to the hospital I think I'm having contract contractions she said I had brats brats and hicks before this feels different and he's like yo what's going on like this isn't supposed to be happening for another couple of weeks he's about to go film a scene with Denira with Denira you know what I'm saying and this this one we're gonna have to take a break but because this is this is this is one of those things where you suspend disbelief I think we all probably have the same hot take if you you bear with me here but so she says she's got to go to the hospital right he he's concerned that she's alone you can see he's sort of guilt-ridden and not just not happy like he wants to be with his fiance who's about to give birth to his children so uh Denira has taken time every once in a while we have actors who take a little bit longer to come out than others. - You want your name names? - Evidently Robert De Niro from O. It's one of those. (both laughing) - For anyone listening, yeah, for his parents, it's a big slope up. - Apparently, apparently. - He takes a lot of time in here, make up. - And so, my pulse is sort of quickly, it's like the sooner we get out of here, the sooner he can make it back, you know what I'm saying? Turns out the narrow didn't take too long, right? Takes a couple of minutes, he's headed in, but by that time, Cav has already gotten the information from Madison that she's there alone, and he's talking to the director. He's like, "Hey, man, my wife's just gone into, "my fiance's gone in labor." He's like, "Oh, that's great, man." Like, you know what I'm saying? - Congratulations. - Congratulations, we'll try to get you out of here as soon as possible, what? - No, I mean, I was just like hearing that. I'm like, "That is not the right response." I mean, I know you're the director, and this is your movie, but like, I don't know it. - He's, and like, I think they're in two different pages because I think for the director, the movie is his base. - Yes, that's right. - Understandably, yeah. - So for men, like, I didn't quite understand until I was part of a labor, but I was like, "What this means?" - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - The process that is now underway. - Yeah. - More that was us after these words from our sponsors. - At the end of the day, when you want a little sweet treat, you want a little sweet treat for your kiddos, but you don't want to be given them a bunch of ingredients. - Yeah, you don't want to feel guilty about what you're giving up. - You don't want to feel guilty about it. - Yeah. - I reach for a bag of Unreal. Have you had the little M&M? - Yes, the little chocolate drops. - Yeah, chocolate drops. - Oh, the little chocolate gems, the milk chocolate ones. 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And she's like, okay. - We'll get you out of here and like, - We'll get you out of here. - If you can, you finish, you go up tomorrow. And she's like, I don't know if that's gonna work. And she's like, what do you mean? And she says, dude, I'm sorry, I gotta go. - Yeah. - Now, this is the part. - We know how much money these things cost. - Yes. - Right. And you also know, like in real life, I think there's contingencies, but what has happened here is Kev's out of town. We have Grandma and Grandpa stuck in sequestering in the cabin. - Yeah. - We have my best friend sister going down to San Diego, you go to pick up her own baby. Like, I don't have, I don't have close connections. - Randall and Beth are driving back from New Orleans. - Randall and Beth are driving from New Orleans. Like, there's nobody there, right? And I think dramatically speaking, like in terms of storytelling, I love what he does. I love that he, but I don't know if I have the guts and or in real life, could you do that? - Yes, you would. - Walk out on De Niro. - On Probe, walk out here. - No, knowing the level of like, money that goes into like planning these things out and what have you, like, do you think that is a move that you could make in good conscience and think that everybody should just sort of like get on board with? Mandy's like, no, you go. - Yeah. - Which I appreciate. - I don't think you expect people to get on board with it. - Right. - But you know you're fucked. And you're leaving the movie and you're in breach or whatever it is, but it's just sort of like, you have no choice. - You have no choice. You say it the same way. I think so, you think so. - I mean, how else do you navigate it? - I don't know. It's a rock in a hard place for sure, right? But like, you've given a commitment. - Maybe you could have handled it a little differently and been like, can we work together to figure something out? - Yeah. - Like, I need to, and also I was like, why is Miguel not getting on the horn with like, Netsuitex or Jetsuite, or whatever the private point in situation that I was like, come on, man. - Right. - We don't need to, we don't need to be looking on Delta. - There may have been, is there like sort of, - A COVID situation. - Yeah, maybe a COVID situation. - I don't know, but I, that was where I was like, what, why is he exhausting every avenue? Like, yes, he could have handled it differently, but ultimately, if you gotta go, you gotta go. - You gotta go. - Like, there are emergencies that happen, right? If there's like a death in the family, or it's something catastrophic happens, like, they would be understanding and I feel like this sort of life event falls under the same umbrella. - I will give you the closest tangent that I have to this, which is shooting the people versus OJ. Ryan was on her due day. I was shooting a scene from episode six, where Marsha Clark breaks down and her, like, darn, have a little moment with each other. And so I had to shoot at the top of the day. I told you guys, I had to shoot at the end of the day, but it was one day past Ryan's due date. So I shoot this first scene. I said, all right, guys, listen, I'm gonna go home, I'm gonna hang out with my wife, you know what I'm saying? I'll be back at the end of the night to shoot the last scene. They're like, cool, you know, hope everything goes well, et cetera. And I was like, you know, she's a day late. Andrew was a weak late, right? - So you're like, maybe he's gonna hang in there for a longer year. - Maybe he'll hang out for a little bit. I'll be back for the later on tonight. So I get home. I think I told you part of this. And my wife is in a bikini. And she's like, I want to go to the beach for a photo shoot. And I was like, huh? Like, just, I was like, just like this? And she's like, yeah, I want to go to the beach to do this photo shoot. And I was like, all right, cool, cool, cool. So as we're walking out the door, her and Vicki, she looks gorgeous, by the way. - Wait, you were the photographer. - I was the photographer. - Cute. As we're walking out the door, her mucus membrane starts to leak down the inside of her thigh. I said, hey, Burr, I see a little bit of the mucus membrane. And she goes, oh, yeah, you're right. She goes, let's go to the beach. I said, hold on, hold on, hold on now. - Time out. - I said, can we at least go talk to the midwife and just ask her what this means, et cetera? And she's like, yeah, let's do that. So the midwife's right around the corner. And the midwife does a pH test like the mucus membrane. And she goes, within 24 hours, you're gonna have another job. And she's like, okay, she's like, I'm ready to go to the beach now. - Still undeturbed. - I'm like, I'm like, all right, no. Okay, let's do this. So we go to the beach. We go to Santa Monica Beach. We do this whole photo shoot. And the sun is beautiful. It's like three in the afternoon, something like that. We did these pictures. She finishes with the pictures. She's like, thank you so much. Like, it was really important to me to get this photo shoot in because I don't know if I'm gonna have anything where I look this beautiful with the baby inside. I was like, how's all girl girl? Come get me hug. I got you. 336 PM. Like a movie. A day loose goes down her legs, both thighs straight down. Like out of a movie, like water broke. And active labor began, right? It's 336 PM. I was like, let's get back to the car. So we get to the car. We're talking to our midwife and every once in a while. Now it's 336 going east on the 10. So for anybody who doesn't live in the world. Los Angeles. Yeah, that means you're going the wrong way you're asked to track it right now in gridlock. So I have to get off the tin to try to get to Venice to try to get to Washington to try to get the Jefferson just so I can make my ass home because in my head, I was like, this baby's calm. Not in the car. Yeah, I ain't having the baby in the car. Yeah, I make it somewhere. Yeah, well, I ain't doing this in the car. I didn't there in one time already at home. Yeah, I know how to do that. Not on level, not on level. Yeah. So talking to talking to the midwife right? And she's talking to and trying to like keep her off and every once in a while, she just gets quiet. And Ryan just goes quiet. And I'm like, Oh, shit, it's about to go down. So I finally make it home. The midwife had her nanny had a car accident. So when we get inside, we beat the midwife by about 20 minutes. So we're inside. We're doing active labor for 20 minutes by herself, rise crawling around doing our thing, et cetera. Thankfully, the midwife gets there. And so I get to go to let her in. I look out in the driveway and there's a car with three kids, her three kids sitting in the back seat with the windows down, just doing homework. They're like, they're saying our first rodeo. Yeah, it's maybe for you. I know what I'm supposed to do. Mama told me to do my homework. So go back inside, rise on all fours. And you hear go, Oh, right. And so I think like there's crowning that happens. And then midwife goes, you know, it's sweetheart, I think your legs are a little close together. If you could open up just a little bit, Ryan opened her legs and a marion shot out. Well, shut the front door. Shut out. And again, again, we're on all fours. So my vengeance. Oh, right, right out the back, right? Yeah. And do you catch him? No, because the midwife is there. The midwife is there this time. And she was able to catch him. She was there for like more dramatic the first time. But like, this was dramatic enough. So again, I said, three, 36,000, this one seems more dramatic. They might be 336 PM 540 PM. I welcome my second child into the world. Two hours and four minutes, fertile mortal doesn't play games. No, she doesn't. She goes in like, if we had a third child, yeah, I would walk around behind her. Yes. And like at week 37. And you're like, I'm ready. Whenever you're ready, those knees. So I said that. So then I call the first ID, like, I got a baby. And they're like, what? I was like, yeah, I got a second baby. And they're like, you don't have to come back in. I said, thank you, but I did shoot at six a.m. the next morning. No, yeah, 6 a.m. They will give you a 12 hour. They know a paternity leave for your boy. But it was a glorious night to be at home. And I was there. So just giving the name of the episode. Yeah, there. Oh, that is such a good story. Which, you know, if you, if you, where did you shoot that? What lot? Fox. Okay. So it wasn't far because I loved it, but Pico and Fairfax. Oh, I was right around. Okay. Yeah. Oh, see, I'm bigger picture in your house now. So that drive home at that time from the beach was much longer, much longer. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that I was just thinking like as he walked out of going back to the show, I was like, can you do this? And so to continue with his storyline, right? He's trying to get a ticket. Yeah, evidently Miguel is the travel coordinator. Yeah, particularly, it's like, how come they couldn't afford an assistant? He's an Indian, etc. But I was like, this is again, just finding a way to fold the family into the storyline. They could afford to Nero. They could afford an assistant. Yeah. And it's not that small a movie. Yeah. By the way, for sure. Yeah. So he's to and as he's doing this, we see he's he's multi tasking went behind the wheel on the phone, trying to see how far it takes to get to a certain area. And every once in a while cars swear from front is like near collisions happen on a couple of different occasions, you're like, Oh, is this when it happened? Oh, snap, totally. So he makes it through that. We're able to get a ticket in Seattle. So we have to drive like two hours to get there for two and a half hour flight, which means he'll be back in five and a half hours, feeling good about that. But then my man, Kev, as he's gone, he sees this car off the side of the road. And it's the car accident. We saw it's begin. So we were thinking, okay, it's not him. Exactly. It's someone else. So Kev is somebody from a news radio. I gotta do this. Listen, here's the thing. I've had sports sports sports night. Sports night. West Wing West Wing. It's Josh Malina, everybody. It's a TV lesson. It's Josh Malina. And it's one of those things. Well, I think I say Josh Malino's on a show. And then, and then I think I was like, man, he must got some good really coming up. And it was good. But it wasn't what I thought. Yeah, definitely could have seen. Josh Malina was good about it. Yeah. Well, it is what we have decided is a pandemic moment. There you go, where everybody was sitting at home. Yeah. Wait for work. Hey, want to come have four lines on this is us not doing anything else. Trying to get that plan one insurance, baby. That's all it's about. And Kev winds up being like going going in action. He's like, listen, somebody's in trouble. Even though he had, he had something that he needed to be at. Yeah, he stopped. And I'm curious, just, are you guys stoppers? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For in that situation, yes, you can't, you can't drive the doubt and guilt of being like, I'm sure someone. And just motoring. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sunfire. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's by himself. I mean, it was, it was a, I was proud of him. I'm proud of my brother in this moment. Pulling him out, he winds up getting him to the hospital. Very nice. But he's talking about that. I think, well, we're Josh Malina does play. And so I want to give him his props. Kev is talking to me. He's trying to keep him up, right? Cause he can see. Yeah. He's kind of feeling. Yeah. Tells them like my, my fiance is about to go on the labor. And I, and I'm not going to be there most important day, most important day of my life. And, and Malina's like, Hey, man, I got three kids. They don't even remember this shit. Yeah, this is not the most important day of their life, being the most important thing in their life. Like, you're going to be I, yeah, was anything more like, no, no, it was great. He just sort of absolved him of that guilt of like, whether you make it or not, like, this is not, this is not the most important day of their life. They're not going to remember this. You're, he talked about this. Yeah. Well, he, well, he said, he says, you're rich and famous. You're going to be their idol. Yeah. And that, since that flips Kevin's perspective on his own dad, yeah, who wasn't rich or famous. But he was the one. So it's like, he was just there. He was the most of them. Like, the real, it really clicks for him. That I just need to be there. Totally. Like I, I know, I know they're not going to remember it, but I need to be there. Yeah. Because my dad found a way to do it all. And I want to be like that. What do you say is the most there person ever? And it's interesting too, because you have a conversation with him after Miguel's able to get the ticket or whatnot. And you start going into this thing about, listen, I know you love your dad and you haven't been on a pedestal. And then it's sort of like cuts out. Like you never get a chance to finish caring what Rebecca had to say to sort of like give a fuller color and picture of like, he was a great man and was just a man too. And was just a man like the rest of us, just like everybody else, but he didn't get a chance to hear that part. It's okay. Yeah. He drops off Josh Malena. I think Josh Malena is going to be okay. Yeah. We go to the four seasons of hospitals. There you go. It was nice. It had a. He just whistled and clicked and had four people came mailing with real chairs. You saw, yeah. And then there was. And they whisk him off and have him back in the car. You watch sports night. Get over here. Listen to me. I don't know what health cares like in Canada, but it looked pretty good. So my man is hustling to the airport. Now, unbeknownst to him, but to our audience and us. Yeah. This cat left his ID. Yeah. All I'm thinking about is like, oh, bro, yeah. Is he going to get on his plane? And then this is the culturally specific part of me. He meets a black woman. And as a white man, telling his problems to the sister. And it was such an interesting thing to me, like, listen, I must have like dropped my wallet somewhere. And she's like, all right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. She's like, it's not how it works. But if you go, you can get a temporary idea to probably take about 24 hours, like, I ain't got 24 hours. She's like, look, you're not going to believe this, but I have to pull over and help this guy out of this burning car. And then she's like, and then my wife, my fiancee is about to have our twins. And she's there by herself. Yeah. And you got to find a way to get me on this plane. Like, Google me. And it was, no, he's like, listen, I'm a public figure. And listen, Brian is pulled. There's a couple of times where I forgot my ID. And I like go on, like, whatever. And I show picture of me. I was like, this is me. It's me. This is me. This is me. This is me. This is me with Oprah, Oprah Winfrey. No, you see Oprah. That's me. That's Oprah. That's me. That would work. Maybe some cloud. Maybe. What did it work for? It works a lot. But the Oprah specific or just, it works like if I've never tried it on an official travel thing, you know, I'm saying like a plane or, you know, the TSA agent was like, that's not how this works. Yeah. But you know, there's again. So I was left to one and I was like, this is to let him on the plane. Yeah. How does he know? She couldn't have done it by herself. There's three other people. There must have been some supervisor. - Yeah, the last part, right? - Yeah. - Of Kev stories. - That's all you see. - Yeah, that's all we see. - Okay. - Well, I mean, I guess the-- - No, go ahead, turn it. - Yeah, I was gonna say the little tiny bit at the end that doesn't involve Kevin, I guess, is Randall and Beth and Madison calling them in the car. - Oh, yeah. - Or actually Randall calls Madison because Randall calls Kevin when he's driving and in the midst of this existential crisis. - There you go. - Yes. - It's a continuation of that. - And so Kevin is basically like, I actually, I'm going through something right now, I can't talk to you, I'm so sorry Randall. And Randall takes it upon himself to call Madison because he knows that Kevin is trying to get to her she's in labor and Randall does the kind, brotherly, generous thing by calling Madison, checking in on her, and then basically telling her like, we're family. - Yeah. - Like we can stay on the line if you want that. I know that like nobody else is able to be there for you right now, and it was beautiful. - It was beautiful. - Yeah, it was really, really beautiful. - Yeah. - And it's a moment of like, you see these brothers who at the end of season four go through this incredibly calamitous argument and you're like, how did they sort of come back to this? And we've had little moments and glimmers of connection between the two of them, but the timing not being quite right, et cetera. And so it just feels like we're moving toward something. There's a falling that is transpiring and has to take place in its own time, right? - Yeah. - Should we do like, young Jack? - Sure, sure, 'cause that's just like-- - I like young Jack, it's good. - There are times when I'm like, oh wow, he really does look like Milo. - He does. - Yeah. - It looks a lot like-- - I'm like, oh. - And it is one of these moments too. We have a couple of them of Stanley, but like we get a chance to see a different color with Stanley. Like I think the first three seasons or so, Stanley's fairly one color. - Yeah. - And even in this episode, like it stopped so-- - I mean, always white, always white. - Very pale, very pale. - We see young Jack. He is in his little league baseball uniform, he's sort of prepping himself and like, you can tell he's nervous and he sort of lays down on the bed and just starts pranking, right? Like just trying to get it together. Stanley's like, all right, you ready for this one man? Like we're gonna win the game, et cetera. I can't remember all the specifics. So I have to look at my notes, because I'll let other people win, but I do wanna say this part. I'm gonna say this about me and having a kids that play sports. And 'cause it'll overlap with Kevin Jack as well. - Yeah. - To these two things. And I love sports, and I enjoyed them. I played football and basketball, track, ultimate frisbee, et cetera. And my kids are athletes and they're good athletes, right? And there is this aspect that you get into a little bit and be like, maybe they can take it where dad never did, right? And so I'm very thankful to a film that I did called Waves for pointing out to me what I am capable of. And so an in-fatherhood being like, now don't do that. And what I mean by that is there are these moments you have of like, you want it so bad, but you can't want it more than they want it for themselves, right? And you want, at each, I think of you, Celia, as you talk about your experience with tennis or whatnot, you want them to enjoy it the whole time they're doing it. - Right. - You know what I'm saying? - Which is not possible. - Is it not, to speak on it, it's just not a reality. - I mean, it's not possible for anybody. - At any age and doing anything. But the hard part with kids or young developing brains is soon something gets hard. There can be a tendency to abandon it. Or you give a six-year-old a bad batch of mac and cheese. Well, now I don't like mac and cheese. - Totally. - Ever again. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like, well, hold on a second. Today's a moment in time. And so there's this balance, right, of what is supportive? - Yeah. - And what is coercive. And the real kind of theme, for me, watching these two sets of dads, right? Jack and his dad, and Jack and Kevin, is kids, it seems to me, we've already can see it with bear, you know, it's like, really quickly learn how and where to get their love. - Okay. - You know what I mean? - I do. - Like, great example. When bear was at your house, and he told you a joke. - Yeah. - And you laughed. - Yeah. - And so he told you the same joke again. - Sure. - Yeah. - And then he told it to you again. - Totally. - Yes, he did. - And then Sterling turned to bear. And this is the greatest I still use. He goes, bear. My man, let me tell you about diminishing returns. (laughing) - And bear was genuinely interested. - He was like, tell me. - Tell me. - And Sterling explained it to him. So each time it's gonna be less funny. And it actually made sense to bear. - Yeah. - But in the moment, he's just like, love, that was love. I got love, I got a laugh. - Sure. - I'm gonna get it again, I'm gonna get it again. And so with parents, and especially with fathers and sons, it seems, I mean, that would be my only experience as far as me and bear. But again, with my mom and my dad, like, I can tell like, where? Oh, that made my mom happy. - Yeah. - Okay. That is not only where I get love, but then it can kind of become, but that's the only way. - For the most, like, potent way. - Yeah, the most, or the quickest way or whatever way. And so now, I'm focused on that thing. Instead of, I don't know, the authenticity of any of these moments, you know what I mean? And you see this is all playing out with with these relationships. - That is fascinating. - So to continue with Stanley and Jack, they go to the baseball game. And as they're going to the baseball game, we see a six pack in the back of the car. And you're like, oh yeah, that's right. Stanley likes to drink. - Yeah. - We go to the game, and Stanley has tied one on, and he's like, man, it's nothing like seeing a game in with a walkoff home run. Usually I don't like to see it with my son being the pitcher. So, and then Jack says, I gave up one run, bro. It's not my fault that we didn't have any hitting. So they lost one zero on a walkoff home run. And Stanley's giving him crap or whatnot. And then he drops his keys, 'cause he's inebriated. And Jack says, Dad, maybe we wait a little bit to go home or whatnot. And he's like, what are you trying to say? You know what I mean? - Yeah. - Bervado and all of that stuff. And then he winds up throwing him the keys, and I shout, you drive. You drive. - Gotta learn some time. - Now we know Jack ain't 16. And we can also tell from this is like, I never been behind the wheel of a car before. - Me, yeah. - And so my first time doing this is gonna be driving home, like in traffic, with my dad inebriated it. It's not like a recipe for success. I just let a 14 year old drive for the first time, harrowing. - Fucking harrowing. - No, thank you. No, thank you. I did it in a neighborhood without through traffic. And he was freaked out, like he almost like, I was like, it's ain't bumper cars, Mick Dogg. I need you to stay in the middle of it. - Yeah, in the middle. Not even on the right side. - Yeah. - Just go down the middle. - Let's go straight down the middle. - Yeah. Oh God. I don't even want to think about those days. - You got to waste. - I know. They'll be driverless cars by then. - So. - Wamos. - Wamos for everybody. - Wamos everywhere. - That's big. That's what he has a way more account. He enjoys it, he enjoys it very much. So we cut, he's trying to start the car. Cars are not quite starting. Ultimately, he gets it started. They're driving down the road. And I think Stanley's talking about Jack and about how, like I told your mom not to spoil you. Like don't let me, don't let me misquote Stanley, but he's giving him the business. - Yep. - He's giving him grief and a moment of like, look man, I'm driving for the first time. I'm trying not to die. I have to concentrate on things that I've never had to concentrate on in my entire life. And he just says, shut up, shut up. - Yeah. - And there's respect from his father. Like you see, you see Stanley be like, "Oh, he's got something in him." - He's like, okay. - Didn't think he would. - I won't say a word for the rest of the time, right? Jack makes it whole. And we get a moment because he's talking to Kev in this way and we'll flash to that. And he's like, he wasn't all bad or what, not? And we see Stanley say, you know what man? I didn't think he had it in you. Regular Andy 500, right? And there's a smile. And I was like, you just glad that like this dude was able to get something to hold on to. - Yeah. - Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - Like he doesn't have a lot of positive. - And that's the moment for Jack, where he realizes like where his love comes from, right? - And his love comes from taking control, being in control, overachieving, you know what I mean? Like in this like superhero. - Yeah, being strong. - Jack person. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Totally. - Absolutely. - More that was us after this short break. So it has become sort of customary for Brown to have two David's in his car at all time. Yep. I'm pretty much the same. It's a non-negotiable because I don't want it hunger to sneak up on me and then just grab a piece of crap. Yeah. When you say David's, you're not talking about two little men in your car. No, no. I'm talking about David protein bars. Yeah. I got one in my bag right now. I got two in the car right now. The bronze joints are delectable. Yeah, the classic joints, 28 grams of protein, 150 calories, guess how much sugar? Zero. Zero grams. Zero grams. Good guess. Oh, I know. Let's talk flavors. Yeah. Anything with chocolate. Anything with peanut butter. Anything peanut flavored. Oh, guys, I haven't tried the red velvet or the cake batter. And I got to tell you. That sounds delicious. I got to tell you in the bronze selection, that's Smoar's bar. Oh, I haven't tried that either. I got Smoar's bar. There is. Get out of here. Even my youngest son now, after basketball practice or something, he'll be like that. Can I have one of your David's? And I'll be like, all right, cool. I want to be selfish with it, but I know it's delicious. When a little kid can eat something and it has zero sugar in it and be completely satisfied, they're doing something. First protein bar I've ever had that doesn't make me feel like I'm eating a protein bar. Yes. And don't just take our word for it. Go grab one for yourself. I had to Walmart today to try a bar or stock up on four cartons of your favorite flavors, like blueberry pie and salted peanut butter, sold exclusively at Walmart. Check out Walmart.com to find a store near you. All right, guys, so I was doing my usual weekend grocery haul on shipped. The family likes to get together and have like a little steak dinner. My youngest son. Really? Oh, he's a chef. All right. He goes through the whole season process. I'm always a chef. I'm always a chef. He's a quality cut of meat. He's very particular. As I'm putting it on the cart and I'm talking to my shopper with shipped and they're asking questions like, you know, rib eyes, not here, et cetera. Can we go with a T-bone? Can we go with this? And so we have to narrow it down. I have to go back to him tomorrow. Yeah. Sure. He's a chef. I know you want a rib eye, but we don't have the rib eyes that we necessarily want right now. And then he gets to correspond with the shopper and say that piece of meat looks good. We get pictures in real time and he gets to have some agency over what comes home into his cart. Yes. Yes, he's shoppers with shipped. They know that there is no ordinary order. There you go. It's never just delivery. I want somebody who cares, right, who's going to be as particular as I am. I don't need super high marbling, but I don't want it to be dry either, right? Right. So when I communicate that, when I communicate my son's needs to the shopper, they come through in a shining way time and time again. With shipped, it's never just a delivery order. It's shopped same day in the same way you would use code podcast to get a year of shipped for only forty nine dollars half of the regular ninety nine dollar price at ship.com/offer. Young Cab is about to go to a football camp. Yeah. Quarterback camp is very excited about Jack's very excited about it. He knows that there's going to be Penn State quarterbacks there. So it's an opportunity to get seen and possibly propel you into something even more, right? Cab. Especially paid for college. Yeah. Everybody loves that. But pay for college. Cab is upstairs doing like going over his playbook, you know, and nervous. Just not knowing if he's got it all together. They're on the car ride up there. And Jack is just sort of talking about, you know, I used to play a little league when I was a kid, but, you know, like to see you playing quarterback and what you could, what could become of you could be really, really special. And you can just see the nerves of Cab as he's hearing the pressure. And Jack not even aware that he's putting pressure in this particular situation. Totally. He grabs a brochure of what have you and it sort of says how much the camp costs. And Kev, who doesn't have the same relationship to money as he has in present day. Like, oh, this is expensive. He's like, yo, there's a lot. And he's like, no worry about it, man. Like once we get that college scholarship, it'll pay for its stuff. Yeah, it's already worth it. And you're just like, oh, man. Like, it's like, and it, it's one of these really like interesting moments because I have to clock myself. I'm like, am I doing this to my kids and like not recognizing it? And sometimes like, like the difference, what would you say, Chris, there's coercion and something. Support or coercion, you know what I mean? It's such a fine line sometimes because you don't want fear to be the ultimate dictator of what you choose and don't choose to do. You, you want to acknowledge fear, but you want it to encourage them to still move forward as fear is present. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So it's not about like, no, don't be afraid. No, I see that you're afraid, but you can still do something in the midst of that fear, right? They get, was it in the car and they get to the hotel when he talks about the stupid. Oh, it was the hotel like bar, right? Right? Before, sorry, it's before the daycows. Yeah, you can tell that something's wrong with Kevin and he's not feeling confident and comfortable and something's wrong and he asks him, what's up? Yeah, wait, so wait, before that, sorry, I'm just going to get the timeline right. And if I miss this, I, I apologize. Well, yeah, camp is expensive. They, they run into the coach and some of those Penn State players in the lobby of the hotel. Yeah. Kevin gets sick. Yeah, I could, yeah, upstairs in the hotel room. And Kevin tells Jack he knows that he called him soft. Yeah. Is this, okay, yeah, and that he feels like football is maybe his only shot at being special. This is the time right into what Sully was talking about. Yeah, and then coach calls him, tells him that coach calls him stupid every day. Like, this isn't just a once occurring situation. Yeah, yeah, he says a couple other things. He goes, I know this is the only reason why you're here, right? And he's like, what are you talking about? And he's like, because, you know, Randall's a nerd, you know, Kate has her thing. And the only reason why you're here is because like, you think this is my one chance of being special. Otherwise, you wouldn't come because it's not that big of a deal. And he's like, is that what you think, man? And he talks about the, you know, soft part, et cetera, and then he goes into like, coach says that I'm stupid. He's like, he calls me stupid every day. And so then Jack says, you know what, man, let's go grab a bite to eat. And he's like, I don't really feel like he's like, no, we'll get, we'll get something for your stomach so you don't feel so crazy, right? And he's like, done. He's like, grab your coat. Yeah. You can tell. He's like, well, Jack's got a, Jack's got a plan. Work. Yeah. We're going. And so this, this scene, by the way, at the bar, it's good scene. Yeah. It's a father and son, just sharing a moment, like the little boy getting a chance to be in a bar with his dad. They order steaks. I forgot about that onion rings and coaks. You used to not be allowed in that part of the restaurant without an adult member? Yeah. Yeah. So he's looking around. He's like, this is pretty cool. Yeah. Also, maybe not the best meal posts being sick, but, you know, dad, the mom and me saw that. I was like, I don't think we're some bread to soak up the, but in 1994, or whatever you would have been. Yeah. I was born in '80, so '94, '94, '94, '95. Yeah. Yeah. I would have put on that little steak. I would have felt like an absolute stud. Absolutely. Yeah. And he tells him, he's telling him about the little league and how he used to play with his dad and whatnot. And I want to remember. Well, he admits that dad would always come to the games and he would make his life a living hell. Yeah. And like, if they had a good game, it would be a good ride home. Yeah. So you get love. Exactly. So it's like, it kind of brings you back to the beginning of the episode where he's sitting there going, like, please, please, please, please, please, right? He's sort of asking the universe, like, please help us win, because this is going to make my life a hell of a lot easier if it's a good game. Yeah. And, yeah. And basically, Jack talks about how parents really loom large. Yes. And he's got a lot more, a million things at once. Yeah. You are stuck with them even when they're long gone. So, you know, because he talks about how his dad is still, he still thinks about his dad. He still thinks, you know, I'm sure as he's a dad and as he's parenting, and he notices the pressure on how alike he and his dad maybe are and he doesn't, he is obviously a real distaste for that in Kevin kind of reassures him, like, no, you're better than your dad. Yeah. And he tells him that you're going to be better than me, right? Yeah. It's nice. Yeah. Knowing now that, like, Kevin is on his way to becoming a dad totally, totally. Totally. And so then we clock. We see coach. Oh, shit. Coach was at this restaurant, too. Yeah. That's the hotel. It's like the hotel restaurant. I guess so. Yeah. Hotel bar. Yeah. Yeah. So, coach coach is a bathroom. He's like, hey, man, I'll be right back. So he walks into the bathroom. This is, this shit is my favorite. Yeah. He's like, listen, guys, we, we, we ended around with it. Yeah. Like, this is very close to whom I love that to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't mess with them. He's that. He's that dude. that if you mess with the people that he cares about. - Yeah. - He'll let you know, no boy, no. - No boy. - No make up. - He will corner you at a urinal. (laughing) - I don't know about that, but this certainly, I was like, "Oh, yep." - Uh, he's in the bathroom and he's like, "Hey man, I just want you know I'm gonna be "at every game this year. "I'm gonna be watching," right? He's like, "Hey man, you gotta see your boy play." He's like, "I'm not just gonna be watching my boy." Right, I'm gonna be watching you. He's like, "Don't call my kids stupid, all right?" - Ever. - Ever. He's like, "Jack, he's like, "Hey, just tell me that you understood." - Yeah. - Specific wording, he's like, "Just tell me that you understood." - Yeah. - And he's like, "All right, I understand." - My man, I am a bathroom. Like, if you guys know Buffalo Bill, you know, "Silence in the Land?" - Yeah. - Yeah. - My man, "Tuck Tale." (laughing) - My man, "Tuck Tale." Real quick, he's like, "Hi, Kevin." (laughing) - Kevin's like, "Hey, coach." - Yeah. - I can't, like, could not have gotten out of there faster. - Jack comes back to the table. He's like, he's like, "Dad, coach is here." He's like, "Oh yeah." And he's like, "Did you see him?" He's like, "Yeah, I saw it for a minute or so." And the bathroom is like, "Did you see anything, Tom?" He's like, "No." And, and you know, "Kevin's like, uh-huh." - Yeah. - Yeah, I know what you did. - Yeah. - And he's like, "Okay, yeah. It's cool." And, you know, like, I think that's what it is. Like, knowing that, like, in that conversation and even in the interaction that he didn't fully communicate to his son, but his son understood is that like, his son now knew, "I don't have to be perfect in order for my dad to have my back." - Yeah. - Yeah. - And that's just like, that's what, that's kind of what I need in that moment, right? And I have these moments all the time. Like I say, "Hey man, I don't care if you win or you lose." Go out there, play your best. You know, have fun. And when you're done with the game, you know that you did your best. - Yeah. - You're gonna be fine. - It's a really good reminder, too, that it goes back to what we were talking about before about the unconditional love that we feel. - Yeah. - Needs to be demonstrated. Because it's not always obvious. - Yeah. - And it can, and in a kid's brain, it can be confusing. - Yeah. - Like, win lose. - Right. - You know, good bad. - Yeah. - And then there's the D, whatever the, whatever the grade, you know what I mean? And so being really proactive and really intentional, but active in the unconditional love is very important. - Agreed. - Yeah, this is an interesting episode. I feel like in the sort of macro picture of the show, it's like, this is one of those like connector episodes. It's like a little link between like a big story and another big story. Like, these are kind of important little episodes where you're like, not a ton happens, but it's like, it's kind of essential on like the big picture. - Totally, yeah, totally. - But yeah, and I totally forgot pretty much everything about it 'cause I watched it. It's like, was I there? It was a weird out-of-body experience. Kind of the same for this next episode, too. I was like, oh, okay. - Well, this next one, but we'll talk about the next one and the next one, I liked it a lot. - Yeah, no me, too. So we're gonna be back with our favorite segment of the show, the fan segment. (upbeat music) - I never got it in there organically, but we can show them the video if you want, if it still pulled up. - Oh, it still. - Doesn't really work in burst stories. - Oh, what's going on? I'm missing stuff. - Push play. (laughing) - You're gonna be fine. You're gonna be great. Just give me a nod. (screaming) - What is that? - He got taste. - That's a man being taste. - Wait, you're taste? - Why did you do that? - Because we were learning how to use the taser and I said-- - Oh, look at that. - And I said, I said, can I get taste? And they said, if you want to. And I said-- - That is the whitest thing I've ever heard you say in my life. (laughing) Are you fucking kidding me, bro? - That's a life experience. - Yes, it is. - Wait, tell what-- - So a taser has two barbs on it, that stick either to your skin or to your clothes, connecting a circuit. You can take those barbs off, and they just stuck one in my pocket and one in my boot. It's the right leg, the one that's extremely stiff and straight. (laughing) And he just turned it on. And I thought, I thought, okay, first of all, you're not gonna get an opportunity to get taste very often. - Let's hope. - Let's hope. - Well, let's hope. And I was like, well, I'll do anything just about once. - Intense excruciating pain. - 50 times more powerful than I thought it was gonna be. Like, he goes, he goes, I'll turn it on. If you want me to turn off, just say stop. - You couldn't even say stop. - And I said, what if I forget to say stop? And he goes, you'll be fine. I said, how about this, how about you just turn it on for two seconds and then we just make a deal that you turn it off? And he was like, just say stop. That's me forgetting to say stop. The minute it was on, the minute it was on, I forgot to say stop. - Run this tape. - And all I could get out was off, off, off. - Hey, run this tape back. - Oh, more stuff. - Oh, more stuff. - Now that we know what we're watching. - It's ridiculous Eagle Scout. - That's Jennifer Montgomery, who also got taste. Everybody got taste after this. Malika. (screaming) - Pop, pop, pop. - Yeah, yeah. I will say, I was pleased at the quality of my scream. - It's from here. - I knew that it was felt cut off. - It felt accessible. - It felt, it felt affect. It didn't go high pitched, you know. - This guy's face. - Well, it's smiling right at the camera. - Right at the camera. - What the fuck are you talking about? - Well, there's another video. As soon as it's done, it's done. No, after effects. - Okay. - No, no pain. - Really? - It was harrowing. (laughing) Well, it's been curious. I'm like, you wanted to know. - I had to know, now you know. - I know. - Now I know. (laughing) It is wild. I was gonna try and figure out how to work that in, but that's a hard one. - It's a hard one. - What are you guys, I thought it was gonna be like, what are you guys been up to? I want to check this out. - And now, burst stories. - Anyway, it's fantastic. (upbeat music) - This week's episode had us all on the edge as Kevin raised across the country trying to make it back to Madison in time for the twins' birth. - So we asked you to share your own birth stories and you guys really came through. - Yeah. - And we shared art. You show us ours. We showed it to you. - Something like that. We showed art, you show us yours. - Let's dive into your credible birth stories and hear how love, panic, and determination, determination, show up in these unforgettable moments. - So I'll read this first one that's from Natalie H. - Yeah. - Hi, my name is Natalie, and I reside in beautiful Wisconsin. - We'll be to do it. - I love your podcast and rewatching the show. We have a few tie-ins with the show, including adopting and IVF. - Wow. - Our IVF miracle baby was born early, and my husband almost missed it. So my husband was in Tahoe for work, which from Wisconsin takes about three flights to get home from. - Yes. - I went to my OB at 36 weeks for low fetal movement. Baby was okay, but I needed to stay overnight from monitoring and the morning my OB did another scan and decided something wasn't right and told me then, and there I was gonna have to be induced. Thank God my best friend was with me. I called my husband and said, "You have until 6 p.m. to get back home, it was close." I think he made it just a few hours after I started the Potosan for the induction. Now she's seven, and our other frozen embryo-turned baby is five. My husband is also adopted from Korea. Thank you for the amazing podcast, and serally, Natalie. Natalie? - Wait, there they are. - Hey. - Natalie with the baby. - And in case anyone has ever wondered, what exactly goes into IVF? If you are watching this episode, they have made a heart out of every needle and prescription bottle shot that someone would have to take on their IVF journey, and it is a lot. - It is a big, big heart around that onesie and that ultrasound. - Congratulations. - That's the pictures worth a thousand words, man. That's, I didn't even clock that into you. - I was watching it, looking at the family on the left hand side of the frame and looking over to, wow. That's amazing. - No. What a journey. - Thank you for sharing your story. - Way to go, Natalie. - We are. - We are. - I'm looking at that. - We are. - We are. - We are. - You got it, Emily G. - You got it. Go for it. - I know this episode is about a parent trying to get to another parent, but I'd like to share the story of how the timing of my birth got me to my dad. My parents had my sister in 1984, and in 1990, in their early 40s, found out they were having me, surprised. Emily's British - Well, British Columbia. - Oh, sorry, yeah. - Well, me mum was pregnant. They found out my dad was sick, diagnosed with multiple myeloma. My dad checked into the cancer clinic on November 11th, remembrance day. As it became clear, my dad wouldn't survive. My mum and the nursing team who loved him fought the powers that be to keep his bed for him while he went home for one last Christmas. He left on his feet then returned in a wheelchair. In the new year, two weeks before my due date, my mum went into labor at midnight in the ambulance with snowfall slowing the drive down and my mum's water breaking, speeding things up. - Oh, Lord. - The paramedic called ahead to the driver. Head for grace, a closer hospital that happened to be only a few blocks from the cancer clinic. In an unfamiliar hospital with an unknown yet wonderful doctor, an absent birth coach stuck in said snowstorm. No drugs and no forceps. My mum was told that I was in distress and on her next contraction pushed me into this world at 3.22 AM. A few days later, healthy and free to go, we went to the cancer clinic where I met my dad for the first and only time. He was high on morphine for the pain, but he knew I was his and held me close for a photo. He died suddenly that same day. I don't know if it was some cosmic force or my own stubborn will that allowed us to pass like ships in the night for my arrival and his departure. All I know is that time waits for no one. It is precious, it owes us nothing. And the most important moments of our life rarely go according to plan. So give your loved ones a hug because it's always time for that. Your friend Emily in British Columbia. Look at this picture. Daughter to Terry and Vicki. There's Terry and Vicki as a couple, young couple. There's Emily with her mom Vicki and then there's Terry and baby Emily right before he passed. Oh my gosh. What a photo. What a photo is right. Wow. You guys. Life, life is life and yeah. But that that she has that picture and that he had that moment before the transition. I know. Yeah. Emily asked a good one. Thank you. Yeah, thank you for sharing your story. Thank you for sharing. What's mom's name again? Vicki. Vicki and Terry. Yeah. What a day for Vicki. Yeah. To experience both of those things in the same day. Yeah. Wow. Hold both of those things. Holding both of those things. Okay. Hey. Whoo. I'm not notes. That's the end of that episode. Yeah. You know what? We weave these tales, right? And we think that like our tales are so sort of far fetched or sometimes or not dramatic or specific or specific. But like that is life. Because when you hear other people share like the specifics and it's like, oh, that could, no, it happened. Yeah. That could be an episode of our show. It's real. Like it's, yeah. That's beautiful. It's always a pleasure to hang out with you beautiful people. Likewise. Likewise. Likewise. I love you. 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