Keke Palmer

Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very, very excited about our guest today. It is the great Kiki Palmer. Kiki can do anything and is in everything. She's currently in the movie. I love boosters. And in the TV show The Burbs, she has her podcast. Baby, this is Kiki Palmer. And she is, she's going to be in space balls. She hosts passwords. She's incredible. We talk about so many fun things today. We talk about being Virgos and the noblest oblige that comes along with that. We talk about Mary J. Blige and what it's like to get into your anger. We talk about her season of restraint and what that looks like. We, we have such a good time and she, she has to go to the bathroom in the middle of it, which has never happened before and just goes to show how comfortable she was. That makes me so happy. But before we get into it, we always talk to somebody who knows our guest, who loves our guest, wants to speak well behind their back and ask them a question. And we have a friend of the pod, writer, actress, queen, Paula Pell, who is zooming in, who loves Kiki and wants to tell us all about it. And I'm hoping right now is, is, is zooming in from her, you know, her new only fans account. One can only hope. So, Paula, are you, Paula? Paula, can you hear me? Darling, you know those tiny back to school emergencies that somehow become your problem. That's where Uber Eats comes in. You can order school supplies, snacks and lunch box essentials for $5 or less. So when your kid casually drops, I don't like peanut butter anymore or I need five green highlighters for a project due tomorrow. Uber Eats has you covered. Get everything you need for a back to school today from your favorite brands like all the and staples on Uber Eats. Order now and September 7th, $5 or less before taxes and fees. Select items only. Availability varies. See app for details. What if we just do that for 10 minutes? Hi! Oh, why up? Did I? Shit. No, you're on. I am? Oh, boy. I am. I am off now. I can see you. You can't see me. Well, they ask for all they do. Oh, here it is. All they do is ask me for another AI thing. Do you want? I know. I had such a, I know we've talked about this. I had such PTSD about trying to sign my kids in during COVID to like various portals that I had a portal melt down the other day. I know we all talk about that. Oh, my God. There's got to be a word that's going to be made for like technological misery. It's every single time I agree to do a Zoom and then I'll get an email like 10 seconds before and it says, this is going to be on callender. And I'm like, I'm sorry, callender. I mean, one of the real ones is blue jeans, nothing against blue jeans. But like, I was like, I'm sorry, blue jeans. Like all you need to do is download this app and go to a portal. Now, we're going to be on Werther's original. So if you want, but you are going to have to do a breathalyzer under your computer. You do have OS 7, 8, right? Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, old Navy. I'm cool with you remembering my password. I'm like, bitch, I got a, I got an apple clamshell. I got a teal apple clamshell. Would you like a new password? This one feels like you use it a lot. It's like, yeah, because it's the only way I can remember. Do you think I can remember it if I don't use it for every device? I want to plug in an outlet. I want to plug in. I tried to buy an old-fashioned alarm clock. I couldn't find one. Couldn't find a friggin alarm clock. I try to take my blood pressure and a new blood pressure cuff I bought. 60th grade. And I was feeling a little off because I had a couple of drinks. Got real dizzy. And I was like, something's wrong. I drink two drinks in the hot, in the hot sun really quick. I feel weird. But I got it out and it was so complicated and so many apps and profiles to fill out. We have to know this information about you before we do this and before you do and I'm just like, I'll be dead by then. I know. By the way, you're making me want to get a blood pressure cuff. I'm definitely getting that. It's it's supposed to do all these things. And of course, when I'm on the internet, I fall for every, the funniest one lately is that during the snow, the swinter, I saw one that had this little fan that blows the snow off your windshield like violently. And every single video was like immediate like so is immediately like like an eraser off your windshield. And I got them and they were like this big and they blew like this. And I got like four of them and was going to gift them to people. And we were laughing so hard because it was like this is the biggest fucking ripoff. Oh my god, the weakest fan. The weakest fan is a good reality. The weakest the weakest fan now on Fox. And they're just really weak. Paula Pell is here. Paula, it's so good to see you. It's so good to see you. We're talking about Kiki today. We have got Kiki Palmer and I was saying this and I know you would agree. Love her. She's so good. I'd so many things. Her hyphenates have hyphenates. I know. Like we're looking at her body of work. It's like Broadway and you know, and singing and writing and podcasting and acting and also just her being herself. Like all the hosting that she does, all the way that she is someone else and herself. I was trying to feed, you know, and I was like, she's like an old school entertainer. She really is. I wanted to talk to you today because you guys work together on the Burbs and I know, you know, I know you are this way. And I imagine maybe we'll find out Kiki is this way too. But, you know, there's no better gift than getting to do what we want with people who are professional and nice. It's like all you're hoping for. And I remember you saying right away that like working with her was so pleasant. What was it like to work together on the Burbs? Oh, it was and it is. I mean, the whole for we're getting ready in October to shoot the second season of it. But it remains like such an incredible joy that there is no, there's no dark side to it. Like because she is, she's so nonstop in terms of what she's creating and what she's doing in the world that like you watch her and you're just like, you know, and she's raising a little darling boy. And it's like she is so nonstop, but yet so present in each thing. Even when she's multitasking and getting her hair and makeup done in the trailer. And she's also on a podcast. And she's also talking about her music video from her album that's coming out. And it's like sometimes when people are like that, you watch them. And I think it's my age to where I'm just like, how do they do all that? And just if you sit and talk to her about anything genuine, she's right there. She just wants to talk about it. She wants to hear what you have to say about it. She'll hold your hand. She'll, you know, we've gotten tearful together in the makeup trailer talking about our lives and find, you know, and what we won't tolerate anymore and love. And you know, just there's so many good things that I've derived from just being in her presence truly. I was getting my hair blown out at a dry bar and I sat by the way, congrats on your hair. I just want to point out again, most beautiful hair in the biz next to Tina. I'd love to see you guys fight it out. Okay, sorry, continue. Half of it is blonde right now and half of it. This is this is God's colorist right here. But who is this gorgeous woman? God's colorist. She's kind of almost transparent. And she's just very weird. I'm in dry bar while we're doing, while we're doing the burbs. And I sit down in a keel and the bee is on. And I look up and I see baby Kiki with like braces and glasses and just like having this incredible touching scene with an adult Oscar-winning actor, just like the two of them having this quiet scene together. And I'm just like she was born fully cooked. She was just she was born Kiki Palmer that I know. So excited to talk to her because she is exactly what you just said. She it feels like she's just very good at talking and being in the moment and connecting. She's like she's a real connector. Yeah, and she's positive in a way that's not bullshitty. Like she she's positive in the way that you say, oh, cheerfulness is a choice. And it's a constructive choice. It's it's a choice that actually changes your trajectory of your day. If you look at it and say, grateful, cheerful, joyful, and and that gratitude thing, she just lives through that all the time of like, I can't believe we're going to get to we get to do that, you know, and then and you want that because there's nothing worse than working with people in showbiz with dead eyes that don't realize how incredibly lucky they are to be doing. Oh my god. Yes. And they're doing at the moment and you just want to slap hard across the page. Or you hope that in the script you get to so you can privately have the satisfaction. Do you have a question for Kiki? You're very good questions. What does it look like for Kiki Palmer to rest? Like not exhaustion, not I can't even see I'm so exhausted, I have to lay down, but like her restorative rest. Like for her to describe her favorite restorative rest. That is a great question. I cannot wait to ask her. I know she'll be thrilled that we talked and I because I know she loves you right back. Thanks, P love you. Have Kiki a big kiss for me. I will. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance, not checking whether your camera is off before the meeting. Yep, that's how your co-workers find out that you're working from home setup is more of a working from bed situation. Checking first is a good idea. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability Allstate North American insurance company and affiliates Northbrook, Illinois. First of all, you look incredible. Thank you. We're going to Virgo. I know. We were talking about in the earlier Kiki and I were both Virgos. And I mean, you've named an album. Virgo 10 disease. You know, we have them. We have the Virgo disease. What are Virgo tendencies? Let's go through them. We can kind of be know it all. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. We just see things. Yeah. It's just so wide away. And we want you to know. But we got to hold it in. Yeah. We are great organizers in our own way. It doesn't know how you talk to me about how you like to organize. I know you love to. I saw your beautiful house. Oh my gosh. Tell me what your new favorite way to organize is like. Oh my gosh. Is there a system labeling everything? Okay. Talk to me on that labeling. Like everything has a particular place in spots. Yes. Yes. Skin masks. Once for hydration. Once for exfoliation. We're talking joy in the bathroom. Yeah. We're in the bathroom. Everything is organized. Even by my bedside supplements at the top. All my like I masks like getting ready to wind down and underneath is the journal. I even have written out my cycle things. You know what I need for them? I always get shocked when people tell me that they don't write out or like think about what they have to do the next day or what like I can't I can't I don't understand how people organize their days without a list. I don't either. And so weird to imagine that that's so specific to a personality type. Yeah. That's right. It seems like the only human way to function. But yeah. I guess we're one of one or a group of one. Well, I there are some very important vergros in the world. You are one of them. Be on test. One of them. Let's talk about Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant. A mother Theresa. We've been having in the spiritual round. I always need people to know that because it's more than entertainment. We even have a strong prayed up. Virgo. You know. And look, I'm not going to go there. But I heard that we celebrated all Christmas. But I heard that Jesus made one of September. I swear to her. I swear to her. I swear to her. Capricorn's like to claim him. But we really have him. We know the real. We know the truth. We know that Jesus kept his eye masks and very separate from his. You can't have a crew like that. You can't be. You know what I mean? You can't have that sort of heart. He was running a lot of things. He was like you go over here. You go over here. I'll turn this to this orchestrated. I'll turn this to this. I'll take care of it. It's you know what? The other thing I just I'm constantly always looking for systems. I know you like this. I love a good girl. I love a good system. I'm like tell me how you do it. I just found something I take talk. Then I'm obsessed with which is it's the steel container that you keep next to your stove when you're cooking. You know that you put your utensils in. There's a whole thing about like what are the six utensils that you need next to your stove that like you use every day. And when I tell you that I have spent hours shopping for what is the best and only spatula? Like what are the six cooking tools I want? I support that self support. That is that to me is a day well spent. I love that kind of thing because honestly it's really about optimization. I think we're actually fighting for ease. Even though it seems like we're making our life more difficult by by doing these things. Yeah. These things are actually on the path of ease because when it's already set up, you don't have to think about it. You don't. Well that's actually the theme of what I want to talk to you about today is this idea of exactly that like maximizing optimizing. It's amazing. It's a multi-vergaining. And rest and ease. Yeah. Those two things because they are you need a bowl double-sided. They're black and white cook. You've got to have both. And I got to tell you, Kiki, I texted you on the way over here, whatever I have your phone number, nobody deal. And I have such a peaceful feeling. I had such a peaceful feeling coming to talk to you. I was like, I know that whatever we talk about is going to be funny and real. And you're so easy to be around. And I talk to thank you for that. I know it's not easy to be an easy person to be around sometimes. If that makes any sense. But what I know about you always is that you bring very open and curious version of yourself all the time. And you're so talented and funny. Kiki, you are so fucking funny. You are like an old-fashioned one-of-a-kind entertainer who can do it all. You're like Martin Troort. You're like any Murphy. You're like, oh, I like, uh, come on, vaudeville. I live for the old-fashioned because that's how I grew up. But I'm still bald. Yes. There it is. That's it. You are like, I love that vibe. You can do it. Oh, you're a Swiss army knife. There's nothing you can't do. Kiki, girl. But I think you do too many things. Okay. Right. I do. This is also true. You are like a white cookie. You are a moge. You're a visionary. You're a moge. By the way, I was with Rashida the other night. And she told me that she's at your house to stay with you. Yes. She told me that she was like, Amy, tell me you guys are going to be talking so that I said, I know I can't wait to see my girl. It was so good to see her. She's my wife is staying with me for a while. It's so nice. Okay. We're going to talk a bit here. We're going to talk about the past. We're going to talk about, but I want to know right now, like today, what was your morning like? What do you do in the morning? What's your system in the morning? This was a great day. Okay. Let's hear it from me about it. So last night, I got to bed at a pretty good time. Let's talk about sleep. So I was happy about that. How much sleep do you like to get? I mean, if I can get to sleep at 10.30, I'm really happy. Oh, that's a really, really happy totally. Last night, I got to bed at 11 p.m. That's still a pretty good one for me. Yeah. So I went to sleep. I had my alarm clock set at 7.15 and then 7.30 because you know, I need an alarm clock. Are we talking? I used to be then I said, girl, that's too much. You need to be nicer to yourself. So now I was like, so that's a little nicer, you know what I mean? And have it on loud because I was planning to go to Pilates, which I made. I'm so happy. I went to my one of my favorite studios. Actually, that's a lot. It is my favorite studio for my. I love it so much. So I went at 8 a.m. felt so good about my life. Yes. You know, I feel good when I get a little bit of a workout in Pilates is perfect because it's not too intense. Like I'm not like trying to lose my life. I want to tell you you're becoming a Pilates instructor. Yes, girl. What I feel like that one clip where somebody's impersonating over and they're like, I think I did a sketch about that where my head was up. My head blew up. Kiki, you are Pilates instructor. Girl, because I fell so in love with it and it became such a big part of my life that I'm like, I need I want to be a part of giving other people this feeling because it's really, really helped me. It's to me too. I do Pilates. And it is one of those things that makes me feel connected to my actual body because I can feel a little disembodied. Girl, me too. I mean, I think we have a lot of similarities. I'll try not to harp on the entire interview. But I do think we do. And one of them is like, I need to like, I'm like, like, do you like to be smushed? Oh my gosh. Like, smushed together with a body or like just like a like a heavy thing on you? Like, okay, yes. Do you like to stand a little bit like, do you put your feet under? Do you put your feet under cushions? Yes, I put my feet under cushions. I like to be smushed up against things never again. I bite my jaw a lot. Yeah, just to feel it. Oh my gosh. Sometimes because when you're when you're living up here, sometimes you have to be reminded I have a body. Yes. It's so true. And Pilates really does that. Do you think that this is something about why we like comedy? Do you think that that's connected in the question? That's a great question. I mean, that's why I think I always enamored with dancers. As dancers are always like in their bodies, like thinking about their bodies, moving them and you can see how they move. They're just they're inside their bodies. And I think you're right. Comedy a lot of it is like, like that's what's that we're up in that air with it. It's fun to be the disembodied but then sometimes what I've learned with myself and what Pilates helped me to realize is that I've got to have some more balance with this because it's fun to be we because sometimes you need to be we. Yeah. But then it's like you need to also really have the practices that remind you that it's safe inside. Totally. It's close. Let's do the hundreds really fast. By the way, it's time to work out, you know? Okay, you're hosting an amazing podcast and have for many years. I got the pleasure of doing it and you're so good at it. Oh my God. And what have you, like, I know I'm learning a lot about, you know, even how I communicate out, operate what I bring to the, what have you learned about yourself from talking all these people? Well, you know, I felt like I always knew that I liked to talk, but I didn't know that it was something people enjoyed. So I feel like I was so surprised and delightfully surprised that people would want to hear conversations because that's what I love to have. Yeah. So I feel like the podcast, I mean, you know, when you're going to any podcast that is time to talk and it's time to get into something interesting, not everyone, not everyone does that. Wow. I feel like you and I could talk forever and ever. That's not always the case with people who come in to talk. Yeah. And it's fascinating to sit in the talk to tolerate the silence of it too. It's hard. That's hard for me. You know, a lot of them, some people have asked me about that with the guests, like, you know, do you enjoy every single guest? And I was like, I do, but every guest is different. Totally. So the level of enjoyment is also predicated on how much they're willing. So you're right. There's sometimes, you know, it's not that it's not a great time. But it's that maybe this person is not that open and it's okay. I'm going to meet them where they are and still we're going to have a great time. Well, that's what you can do so well is meet people where they are and mirror people like their energy. I find sometimes, you know, my, my like codependency, it's hard for me to not fill in a silence. And then you're like, in your head, you're like, quiet now, quiet, quiet and I can't, I can't stop talking. That's the regulator. That's like, I kind of regulate this. It's like rhythm. And I think about this all the time as a performer, like, I think we're constantly in rhythms. Yeah. So it's like, when we hear it down, B, we like, oh, shit, it turned into McBeth real fast. Yeah. Like, why are we now? Can you say McBeth and a podcast is that bad luck? Like, it gets, you know, so it's that, but, but, but sometimes it's like, that's what it needs to be. Yeah. It's the season of practicing restraint. I'm trying to put, I'm, when I say you, I'm raining my skin, like my name is Rudolph. But I'm raining. He's in a restraints season of restraint. Okay. What does that look like? How, what? I feel that. So God, that is so hard. It's like seeing something and knowing something and not saying it. You know, having a conversation and deciding to let reality show me instead of pulling for more, asking for more, you know, if it doesn't feel good, right? If I have to contort myself for pushing order forward to happen, deciding that that, that I should pull back. Yeah. And I, and I'm really happy that I'm in this season and I, and again, I always bring everything back to my son, but my son is really bringing out the best in me because as a mom, I feel like we had to practice restraint because we got to let our kids learn things. That's right. That's my step in the way. And so that's teaching me that, wait a minute, I probably should be pulling back in a lot of areas in my life. And not only will that actually be a better service to the things that I'm a part of, but I'll also have more energy when it's time for me. And it's a hard lesson. It was a hard lesson for me to learn, which is actually people feel closer to you when they get to take care of you, which, barf, I mean, like, like, like, like, like I was like, what? Why am I so adverse to that? What do you mean? I take care of people that's my love language and it's like, no, what are you going to do for me? You're not going to do it right. Right. You got to do it. I know I sometimes feel like you, an obligation that nobody's asking for, by the way, people are asking it for me, but an obligation to mirror, match and take care of people. And then secondly, speaking of Rashida, Kadada, her sister taught me this. She was like, you cut the cords when you get home, right? I was like, girl, when you started talking about visual effects, give us some, listen, don't heart the bridge, switch, my show, my girl. These are good rituals. Do you know? These are good records. Girl, I'm going to put somebody cool for the last month. Let's say it's a relationship, even a family member, whatever the thing you feel like is hooked to you. Yeah. For me, I was imagining the court of this relationship that I felt was weighing me down. It was not good for me. I was feeling too emotionally pulled from it constantly. So she walked me through visualizing the court, and it was like the court was thick. It was like the weight of a ton. It was like thick, like almost leathery, and I could fill it right around my, my, my, my sacral area. It's, it's deep. It's deep rooted to my power source. And I just sat there and say, you know, I need to, I need to, I need a knife, not yet. I need a fucking axe to cut this shit. So I just start visualizing where this court is, right here in this Mrs. and every day I was accident. And it would try to come back. It would try to rejuvenate. It's okay. And I kept accident, accident, accident. And now it's gone. It's no longer there. But these visualization tools are absolutely necessary. For me, it's more about like that feeling when you walk through a cobweb. And you get that like feeling where you've got a cobweb on you and you're like, and you know it's around and it's kind of sticky. I think that way sometimes when I walk through my house, which is, I got to get rid of other people's cobwebs. And it can be like person that you walk past to the, like a shitty look or a bad conversation or even just like some version of yourself that you didn't like that day. That kind of feeling of entering a threshold, clean and clear. But ever it takes my grandma, I didn't realize this until I got old and I started to reflect back. My grandma used to always do tell me and teach me to sweep in front of the porch and sweep in back at a porch. And it was just like this same kind of concept of removing everything, making sure you know, it's clean, cleaning your space and kind of setting the tone and setting the area. I think those things like getting back into that stuff and talking with other women about that kind of thing. It's just feel so empowering. It's so good for the soul, you know what I mean. Okay. Um, you, I feel like you got a lot of this like really good sense of how to read people from Chicago. Yes. Where you grew up. And I bet a lot of people don't, assume you're from the Midwest. They don't. They don't. But I feel like I give Midwest. Yes. What's the most Midwest thing about you? Well, I love the mundane. Like, I love simplicity. Yes. And that's why when people always like, they always are interested in my dating life or, you know, what type of it's like, I'm always interested in everyday Joe because that reminds me of where I'm from. And that doesn't mean that everyday Joe's not special. Of course. It just means that he's not flashy. He's not flamboyant. He's not taking up all, you know, he might take up space because he's awesome. But he's not like, that's not how he enters. That I feel like that Chicago is a very blue collar. It's very like, people are amazing and awesome, but they're kind of like, no big deal. Totally. And so I love that kind of energy when people don't have to put on too much. You know what I'm saying? It could be themselves and it can give a little jazz, but it doesn't have to be like for a certain thing. It's just them being a cool person. Totally. I love like, you know, picnics going to like, you know, being in a trailer, like, I love a trailer. Someone like a round roll trip type of situation, like just things that I feel like very, a very salt of the earth. Who is a Chicago star that you saw when you were there, like Bernie Mac. Oh my God. Can we talk about Bernie Mac? Bernie Mac, maybe. Bernie Mac. Chicago legend. Love Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac. Rest in peace. Best in peace. We love Bernie. He was. He hosted us. So nice Bernie so much. Tell me how, why he was important to you and how you met him. You know, because he was, so I actually never met Bernie Mac. I didn't get to meet him, which is devastating. You know, it's devastating. I have a couple of those people too, where I'm like, I didn't meet Whitney Houston. Yeah. God Whitney would have loved you. I feel like we were like, you know, 100% but I love your daughter, Bobby Christina. Yeah. Me and Bobby Christina met on my space and we would always be like, hey girl, love Bobby Christina. Rest in peace. Interesting to. Yeah. But yeah, I always loved Bernie because he was so funny and so real and I always was able to ride the wave of like being edgy and saying something true, but also still like, I think the wonderful thing about any great comedian is to be able to bring up difficult topics and make and metabolize them, help the public metabolize them and through entertainment. And I think he was great with that totally. And he just was, yeah, he just, he also seemed like a really sweet person. Everybody loved Bernie too, you know what I mean? And so he just had, it seemed to have a genuine spirit and obviously a great inspiration. So I love whatever I think about, you know, anybody Chicago greats, you know, Bernie Mac is what I've first come in my mind. Now I'm picturing you and Whitney, though, singing on stage. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. That would have been. God. That would have been incredible. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Well, but so you're in Chicago and both of your parents were actors. Yeah. I mean, professional, but they did it. They met that way they did speech and term. They met actually at a speech competition in New Orleans. That's what he had. Papas for the first time. They always bring that up because I guess like bag then Popeyes was like raising canes or like Chick-fil-A before it became now. national, like it was only in New Orleans. So they always took my, that was the first time we had Popeyes. And that's not so Popeyes is branded this dog. But they loved it. They always talked about that. They talked about their story of falling in love through the arts. When they got back to Chicago, my mom went to New York and she was going to be a, you know, actress and performer. And my dad stayed in Chicago and they would be like pin pals, writing letters back and forth and talking on the phone every now and then. And my mom couldn't afford tap shoes. So my dad like spent all his money and like she had tap shoes at her door, like the following week. And that was so touching to her. And he was so supportive of her. And then one day he didn't, she doesn't hear from him. And she's like, where's motherfucker? She's like his. She's like a few days of going by like, what the hell? Where the hell? And finally she gets the call. And she's like angry. She's like, what, what do you mean Larry? Larry got into a car. He got into a big accident. Oh my gosh. And his mouth has been like closed shut. So we couldn't speak. He was on the next flight out. And she said, I knew how I felt then that I had to be with this man for the rest of my life. So she goes back to Chicago. They do theater and Chicago at the Black Ensemble Theater started by Jackie Taylor. It still goes on. And my parents performed in this really cool musical called The Other Cinderella. And they just, for me. And they started having kids and they kind of, it was kind of a dream's deferred situation. They were like, oh, reality hit. What I love, you speak all the time. So beautifully about it is how your family made a big sacrifice to kind of support your dreams. They moved from Chicago to LA. Your siblings came to, right? They all picked up and moved. They all picked up. So we drove four days and three nights. And then when we got there was like, Oh my gosh, we're so broke. You know what? I mean, how we're going to get pulled things together. So I get an agent and we've been, we have been talking and emailing and I had met some people before on a one trip that I went with my parents. So we knew who I was going to be working with. And I got me an agent immediately. I mean, really very quickly. I got a job when I got that job. Was it what was the job? It was a movie that I did with William H. Macy. I was 10 years old. And it was called the wool cap. And like, it was kind of like a play on Jigo. So like he didn't talk. And I was like, this little girl that was like, this me and my friend, you know, we need this, you know, the movie is so, it's so old. It was like a TNT film. Anyhow, we did this movie. And my mom and I went to Montreal. It was the first time that my parents had like not been around each other 24/7, you know, in like since she was 19 because a lot of people don't know when you're a minor and you're on set, you need an adult guardian with you at all times. But then it's like they're only going to pay for one, right? So my dad stayed back. And this was like kind of a moment where the family experienced what we knew we never wanted to really have to experience again, which was separation. Yeah. So my dad was in LA making sure we had a good place to stay. My sisters and my sister and my younger brother and sister went back with my grandma for a little bit. Yeah. And then when we came back after that movie, we knew that it was like whatever situation we get in, we need to make it to where we can be together at some like we have to figure this out. And so that was like the beginning. And so it that cost for a lot of sacrifices. It's a lot of pressure on you too. It's a lot of pressure on you for sure tons. And that I couldn't really hold. I think in the beginning, I probably talked about it more. And then as time went on, it was just like if I talk about this anymore, I'm going to break. Yeah. Because you've decided to do something that you love. You're a natural at it. You the family is like, okay, we're behind you. And then of course like with that comes like an expectation that you're not, you can't complain about the thing that's hard to do. And you can't change your mind about the thing that's hard to do. No. And you have to keep doing the thing that you are really naturally good at and love to do because it's it's taking care of a lot of people. It's a lot heavy on that last part because our lives changed tremendously. Yeah. And once you when you're when you're in poverty, you don't really know too much. I mean, especially at the age in which I was, you know, when I left, I was 10. It didn't really hit me yet that like this could be a problem. Now certain things did, right? Like I had experience discrimination with my race. I had experience like, oh, I can't get case whistle. Pay less. You know, I'd experience some things. But they weren't, it wasn't so heavy yet. I still felt like, you know, and then when you actually see it, when I actually started to see what I was missing out on, what my family was missing out on, I felt that they deserve so much more. I felt we deserve so much more. So then it became like, how do I make sure that we get to have what I realized was like really things that all human beings should have. But that's a, that's adult thinking and behavior. That's adultified, parentified stuff pretty early. And you've talked about, I love how you talk about it. I know you talk about it with your family. Like it feels like you've really in a way that I think few people, you know, because you just certainly don't have to be an actor to have that happen to. You can have it, can be any indication of the child is actually quite common, exactly under capitalism. It is tough, but it's the truth. And I think that's been such a big part of my healing and my family's healing because it all cost us something. People judge my parents so badly. They really, really judge them. And that was a hurt that I didn't know because I was also feeling what I was feeling in my position. And so them owning what us talking about it and owning what that experience did to all of us to be so perceived, to be so judged for what some things were out of our control. Like, I mean, how can you be, how can you reject the reality that my parents weren't going to get the same opportunities that I was getting? Also, they had a daughter like you and you are a very, very special person. I mean, I don't believe anybody's above and anybody's below, but you have a gift. I think I realized just how much courage it took my parents to really let me go. Yeah. And really like let me be me because yeah, it was a lot. Little Akilah and the bee Kiki. I mean, it must be wild to have your inner child in a movie. It's so crazy. You know, it was like, you can go, you're like, I'm going to go check out my inner child and you turn it on. I mean, that performance, you in it and that moment is so tender, it's so precious. And so special. It hits me more now. Do you want, has Leo seen it? He hasn't seen it yet. Leo does has shown that he doesn't think I'm that dope. He has. Yeah. It has started to appear. Yeah, that, you're not really cool to him. I remember I was playing some, I was playing some Drake, you know, and I was like, Hey, Hey, Hey, I was a AG, AG, mama, no. Oh, yeah, stop it. Stop it. Stop it. No, you need to stop being silly. You're like, everybody loves when I get silly. Silly pays the bills on me. Everybody loves when I do the silly thing. You haven't seen it somehow. Oh, yeah. He's like, cut that shit out. Oh, yeah. It's crazy how brutal they can be. It's, I mean, his, his, his space for my silliness is this much. He'll go, he'll gag with me for a minute. And he's like, stop. He's like, please cut the clown show. Ah, it's crazy. It's so crazy. But that's healthy. That's healthy. That 's because they really set you straight. And also, you do not want your kids to be like, you do not want your kid taking care, like taking care of your ego and feelings. You just don't. You don't want them to be like, Oh, I got to make sure that mom feels funny today. Oh, my gosh. That dangerous. Oh, like of your kids. My, my, my, my, my Sunday. I was like, doing back to me all my fake laughs. And I was like, I feel so seen. He was like, Mom, you know, you didn't think it was that funny. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, 'cause you were like, and I was like, what? And he was like, you know, when you go, and I was like, and I go, stop paying attention to me. It's so incredible. They're, they're always watching. Oh, okay. Um, can I talk to you about a couple of people that you work with? Because there are some people that you work with that I, I love. And I know you've worked with some very, very special people. And they've met a lot to you. And you've, you have worked with so many wonderful women. And I, well, I do want to ask and specifically focus on the women that you've worked with. Angela Bassett. Okay, talk about Angela Bassett. Angela Bassett hands down. Incredible. Working with her on a Q.L.N. the B was the best gift that I could have coming into this industry. And she taught me something that I didn't really understand well enough till later. But she taught me a skill of how to get to the emotion without damaging yourself. Ooh, because I think for many years, because I didn't have a lot of experiences as a kid. It was hard for me to attach what the character was going through to something that had happened to me without damaging myself without being like, my grandma died. Yeah. And so when I was with her, I had a scene where Dr. Larry leaves me, you know, doesn't help me anymore. And she, she, I can't cry. I can't get to the emotion. And she's like, who helps you with everything? I'm like, Oh, you know, my mom, you know, who takes you? Who helps with your lines? Who takes you to the auditions? I'm like, my mom. She was like, well, what if your mom said, I'm not helping you anymore? You can't do the thing that you love. And I immediately started crying. And that was like something that I'm now understanding. I do it all the time. But so many years from that moment in between, I struggled with it. with doing the wrong thing, which could be really hurtful to you as an actor, 'cause your emotions don't know that you're kidding. - That's right. Sometimes what helps me cry is I'm like, I'm doing such a bad job in the scene. I can't cry. I'm not kidding. Queen Latifa. - Okay, Dana. - Dana is so remarkable. - She's really something. - She taught me what it means to be a CEO, to be a business woman in the day. - Dana, if you're listening, please come on. - Oh, yeah. - Have you had her on your part? - Yeah, she doesn't do, I ain't saying it. - She doesn't do pod. - She doesn't come to me in Kiki's pods. We'll do it together. That will be sipping. - Yeah, she's something. - Because she doesn't really talk too much. So if you hear her, you'll be like, well, she's a queen, she doesn't have to. - And boy, she also taught me how to walk. I still haven't got her walk together. But when I tell you the queen is titties up, past back, incredible. I know. - I love the way she walks. - I know. - This is a hot walk. - Yeah. - It back is straight. - Yeah. - It just is her. - Regal, smart, funny, great sense of humor. About herself, which doesn't take herself too seriously. You learn so much about somebody when they come and host SNL immediately. You learn immediately 'cause they're nervous. You learn what people get, what are like when they're nervous or stressed. She was so fun and funny. And I've told the story before, there was a moment where me and her and Maya had to sing these like jingles. And it's very SNL live show. They're counting down like 10, nine, eight. And then the stage manager was like, there's no music, five, four. And we're like, what? Three, she's like, just sing without music. Two, one. And we're like, la, la, la, la, la. And after she was like, she just like had such a good time with that. - The chaos. - Like chaos. - Yeah. - What did you say about the pressure? That people are watching, even when you don't think they're watching. Because I remember when I'd worked with her, I started working with her a couple of different times. And I was like, you know, on one of the last times, the director was like, you know, it was hard to figure out who we went to give the role to. And we spoke to Queen. We asked who she thought was the best person for the job. And she said, you. And so I was thanking her for like, you know, thank you for believing in me. And she said, well, Kiki, I've actually been, you know, it's not just me believing you. I've actually been seeing you watching you. - Yeah. - And I'm like, Dan, you was watching. And she was like, you are professional. You show up to everything that you do. And so keep, because you don't know, I just remember thinking in that moment, like, wow, like my work ethic precedes me, you know? - Oh yeah. - The way that I continue to move into the game, it's going to count for something at some point. - Also, it's not what you say, it's what you do. - You know what I'm saying? - Even though we like to talk, you like to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Like my, I, acts of service for me is a love language. Like the way people, what people do, you can say whatever you want. But like, what did you actually do? - Yeah. - And it sounds like she was like, she did things. She made things happen for you. - Continuously, over time. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's amazing. - Do you like to cry? Are you good cryer? - In real life? - Yeah. - I think so. - Are you an easy cryer? - I think I'm that person that's like, time to cry. - But do you cry by yourself? Or, I can actually alone quite a lot. - I love crying alone. It's like, what can I say? - Yeah, I have a depression issue. - No, I love crying alone. - But I love to cry alone too. - And I save space and hold space for a while. - Sometimes I'm like, ooh, I'm going to cry tonight, but. (laughing) It is, it's like, I'm going to get, I'm going to get, I'm going to get a TV show. I'm going to get under my, I'm going to get in my bio mat. I'm going to get in my bio mat. I'm going to cry. - I'm going to cry. - I'm like, my life depends on it. - I will literally cry, cry, cry. And it, it's so because it's actually like a release. - Yes. - It's a release. - So the sadness that you need brought out that you buried, maybe it was from last, yesterday, maybe it was some 10 years ago, but you got it in the ether of your mind. - I never cried about that. - I think I also have a lot of anger, a lot of anger, because you know, it's been such a thing as a black woman where it's like, can't be angry. - Oh yeah. - But it didn't, it's like, it goes to the point where it's like, bitch, you should be angry for that. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - That's right. - And so I feel like I'm dealing now with the realities of holding space for the fact that I'm allowed to be angry without wearing the weight of the perception around being an angry black woman. - Yeah. - You know, so I think I have a lot of work to do there where I allow myself the space to be pissed off. - Yeah. - So the idea of just like, I started getting into rock music a little bit more. - Fuck yeah. - Don't got a couple right rock songs that I wrote. - Whoa. - Oh my gosh. And I'm like, no. Because I'm letting that rage out, you know what I mean? Well, I'm need to be like, yeah. 'Cause it's like I'm actually angry. - Yeah. - Fuck yeah. - I didn't let it out, you know. - Fuck yeah. - No shit. - It's crazy. - God, I love that for you, Kiki. I love that. I love that anger. I love that era for you. I do like that very much. - Yes. - And it's very police. - I hate to lose so much right now. Oh. (laughing) - Wait, what are some good angry songs? That was a good one. - I love that. I also love Fifi Dobson. I grew up loving Fifi Dobson. She's like OG classic. You know, that's my girl. Other songs that are like really good for screaming. - You can scream. So, I mean, you can go to G4L, like Rihanna Beck and that one that won right after Good Girl Gone Bad. She was pissed. - Yeah, and bitch better have my money is not screaming, but it's angry. - Do you know what I'm saying? - Yeah. - Also, what? No! I just can't figure it out. Do you remember that one? I love that album because that album was like, the second album was like, "Good Girl Gone Bad" and then the second album was like, "Yo, I'm in a dark place, angry." - This is really, I mean, those albums were just so curated in a way that told us the story of a woman becoming. - I felt that way with Mary. - Mary, Mary is that too? - Mary had a way of expressing that mature anger. - Oh my gosh. - Mary. - Mary. - I'm just fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Like she's showed us. - Yeah, she's showed us the whole arc. - I know. - Let's get out of the arc, a phone. - The, the, the, Mary. - Mary, I'm so, I'm a princess. - I'm a princess, Mary. - And now she's on stage, like, can't wait to get off. - Also, did you ever hear it? (laughing) - I love her down success. - I love her down success. - You know. - It is the many you're on, you're waiting. - You're a Capricorn interviewer. - Oh, she's, she's so right. - We were here in a Mary, please. - If you and - Oh my gosh, Mary, - And Queen or listening to this together, please come on. - Please. - Please. Okay, J-Lo. - Oh. - Love J-Lo. - Okay. - I feel like you guys have a work get me up all of her. (laughing) - My girl. - Okay. What did she love about working with her? - Well, first of all, I love that she's a real boss bitch and she don't play. - Yeah. - She's very like, come on. But she's again, watching. And she has respect for people that are showing up and giving 100%. - Yeah. - And so we kind of bond it because she saw me like, oh my God. I wouldn't like trying to be too like, I mean, I'm one van. But I was like, I have so much respect for you. And then boom, I'm going to what I gotta do. And I'm focusing on my thing. And she was kinda like, well, how can I help you with that? Like how can we like, she really liked that I was in my own bag. - Yeah. - And we became really close after that. And I've gone through things in my life. - Yeah. - Where it's like randomly, she'd be like, call me if you need me. I'll call her and she'll give me some real deal. - And it's cool. - And it's like, it's just like, she's a real girls girl. - Mentor. She's a real mentor and she's like, I want you to win. I want you to win. And also it's, I want you to win in this way where it's also like, you're already winning. - Yeah. - Which is a really cool way to empower somebody. - Yes. Where it's like, we'll be Goldberg is like that. We'll be Goldberg is very like, we'll be Goldberg is like, I'm in chapter 100. You are currently a chapter 30 and I see it. - Yeah. - She's very like a sage. - I don't think that ever, at least for me, that's never ended, which is the women that are ahead of me. Like, I'm just watching them. Like, how are you doing it? Well, how are you operating? What can I learn from you? Like, and then the women younger than me constantly and like thankfully keep challenging the things that I'm very certain about. Like every time I get certain, I'm like, right, right. There's a young person being like, just before you like carve that in stone, you want to give that another thought and I'm like, fuck, you're so right. Like that's, that's like, it feels like that's the. - I really love that because Queen actually said something, Dana said something like that to me before that made me feel so good because people give you so much. You want to be able to give them something. And she has said something around those lines where it's like, you know, it becomes recursive because there is something that you can hopefully show because of the groundwork that they laid. Well, hey, when you lay that groundwork, I decided to go left and I found something new. So maybe we can go left together too. - Yeah. - And that's very cool. - Yeah, very cool. - I got to say one guy, I got to put one guy in this list. - Jordan Peel. - Oh my gosh, Jordan. - I mean, you're the wish that we worked together again. - Your relationship, and that felt, and nope, you were so incredible and that made you beautiful. Like such charismatic, interesting work. He is so talented, of course. To be directed by him, what's that like? How does it, how do you like how he works? How do you like his system? - He was the first director that made me realize, and this is no shade to any other director, but made me realize that my opinion was a part of being an actor, that not just taking the orders of or just, doing exactly what in every director is different. I'm open to that. I'm really think that's also why I've been working in the industry as I have because I'm very moldable. I'm very maliboss. I guess I'll say it's the mutable qualities of Virgo where I can go where you go. Once I've signed on and if I respect if I respect you, that's why I mean I've only signed on if I respect you. And so I'm open to where you want to take me. Totally. But my experience with him was I respect you. Where do you think I should take this? And that was like a really enriching and empowering experience that now I actually take to my projects, even where the directors not as open. I say, well, I hold their feet to the fire on, well, on day one, you told me the characters this way. So I can go where you want me to go. But I want you to know that this is contradictory. And so what does that mean to her at this point in time? What is that? Actually, you know, so having that experience with him really empowered that side of me that felt like I could be open and vocal about how to keep consistencies in a character. What felt most true to the role? And then it was fun because you didn't come from an ensemble. Like you never had that ensemble feeling like of collaborating in that way. Like it's such a good point. What did you say? Because that's probably death's Jordan. Yeah. Sketch improv. Like that idea that like like we're all going to try to figure that out together. And it's just a little less lonely. Like it's a it can really, at least for me anyway, it was like acting is hard and lonely and can be is, you know, because everybody has their own special thing. Okay. Now, as the therapist would say, I'm aware of the time. But I just there's a few other things I want to talk to you about the verbs. Oh my gosh, the gentleman. Let me look at what is the verbs. Okay. That was the first time this has ever happened where I talked, talked to the guests for so long that they have to go to the bathroom. Okay. Kiki Palmer is back. How is the bathroom? Oh my gosh. That was amazing. Okay. Great. It's good to be hydrated, but sheesh. Yeah. Okay. So we, you're in space balls, which is hilarious coming out. You're in I love boosters. Huge film. Incredible cast. You guys shot us to boot right boosters. Riley. I love him so much. And like that movie just looks so fun and original. Congrats on that. And then the verbs, another season of that, which is very exciting. Starting to shoot in the fall. Yeah. And so we have a question for you from Ms. Paula Pell. So Paul, we spoke to Paula. Yeah, let's talk about. She's the one of the most incredible humans ever. She really, really is. First of all, she's really talented, skillful writer, very, very funny, but she's the kind of person where you can know you can call her up and drive down to the mountains and just be on the couch and have fun with her and her wife and just have the best weekend. Like she's just really, she reminds me of home, but she's also a Midwestern gal. That's right. You guys are Midwestern gals. So she spoke so highly of you and so lovingly of you. And we talked well behind your back. And she, and she, um, and she, you know, is on the burbs with you co-stars at that show. And she had a question that I love and wanted to ask you about because it ties into the idea of rest. And she, her question was, what does it look like for Kiki Palmer to rest? You know, I've learned that for me, rest still is active. I need to be. I think that's why I like Pilates more than yoga. Yes. Is it amazing? I can't. It's so good. So slow. I want to die. It's, you know, I mean, there has to be some activity and rest. So rest looks like for me, um, a day with my son in the yard, playing. It looks like it, my nails done or my hair done or both. It looks like incredible. Thank you. I got them done. For me, rest is like a recharge. And then another thing that I've been doing, that's kind of more typical on the nose, but I've realized that it's really good for me as I've been taking naps. Really? I started taking naps. Fantastic. In the car. You know, in the bathroom, just now, that's what I just did. I've literally been, because sometimes you'll be going in between these jobs. It'll be 30 minutes. Oh, yeah. Could even be a 45 minute ride in LA, depending on what you're going. I started napping. There's a really cool one. I want you to check out. You should maybe have on your shirt. Dr. Sandra. Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith. And she did a Ted talk about rest. And also specifically, like she talks a lot about black women and the black. Yes. And the need for that specifically to your point, a very specific kind of rest. It's like rest is not an option rest. That's right. It is like, you could have died trying to rest. That's right. That's right. And so, um, you know, and I feel like any of the, any of the, when you think about black lineage, if your family is here today, y'all definitely didn't rest. That's right. That's why you're here. That's right. So it's like, uh, it's a lot of undoing. Yeah. She talks about spiritual rest and creative rest and all this stuff. And it's cool. And I just like to hear, like, thank you for saying that because I also feel like my rest, um, needs to be a little active and I don't always, know where to put it. And, you know, like, puttering is a big one for me. Just like, putter. Well, I call it puttering, but it's just like walking around the house, like, and it's not housekeeping, which is different, right? Like, it's not cleaning. It's just kind of like, like organ, it's a little bit of organizing, like organizing a pile or just like with no goal, just like going from room to room and just kind of thinking about, like, you know, like, maybe I'm taking a note, like, I, I gotta remember to, I actually love puttering to puttering. I gotta remember to change. I want to change the cover on that chair. I should do that. No expectation to do it. Just like observing and slow motion, you know, and, and just touching things. That's the mundane. That's the mundane. That's right. The mundane is so that moment in between the scene, and do you tell puzzles? You know, okay, I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you. I know. What do you think? It's good. I think that's going to be the next thing for you, because here's why the Vergonia is going to love a puzzle, because I'm not particularly good at them. By the way, it's not like I can't, like, I don't really like have a great puzzle brain. You take the puzzle, you sort the pieces, which feels really nice. You sort them. You walk away. Like, puzzles take forever. There's no, like, deadline for a puzzle. You get a nice puzzle board or a table. You're like, this is where I do my puzzle. Then you come back. You have your coffee and you're like, you know, you're like, this is never, you know, it's going to take me forever to do this puzzle. And then you find one piece and you put it in. You're like, fucking hot dog. You get an instant, an instant boost. You did one thing, and then you go, maybe I'll try to get one more. And you're like, no, I gotta go to work. The puzzle is this, like, long meditation. I like puzzles for you. You know, when I was a little girl at my grandma's house, we would do puzzles. Mm-hmm. So there's something that was in there, like a lot. Okay. Final, final minutes speed mount. Oh, anything you have about any of this, shut it out. Favorite old sitcom. Oh, well, this was the one that came into mind immediately. So I'm going to say this one family matters. Yes. But there's many more. But that's just what came to me. Comfort, comfort watch. Okay. Manacures. You love them. Yeah. How, like, what, how long do your manicures take? And what do you like? Hopefully no more than an hour and 30 minutes. Okay. Great. I want to keep it pretty simple. A color with maybe like a glaze or a chrome or, okay. Right now I've got the French chip with a little glaze. Like, I try to keep it like where it goes with everything. I don't want to, I'm not the girl that's like, I was there for three hours. No, no. Okay. Stand up comedy. Would you ever do it? Yes. You do it every day. No, but I would totally love to do. I need to find a bright and partner. Yeah. I would know you'd have to do a stand-up. You've got an hour already in material. You go on the Hollywood Reporter. You do that thing. You tell her what two girls are like. And Quinta goes, Kiki, and I'm like, that is it. You're so, I really want to do one funny day. Okay. All right. We're going to do that. You're going to do that. If you want to do it, you're going to do it album. You're listening to right now. Oh, album. I'm listening to right now. You know, I'm not, I haven't totally digested the Drake album. I've listened to a few songs. A lot of songs. I have a completely digested Don Tolliver's last project, but I like listening to him a lot. You know, I'll be honest with you. There's not many artists that I'm like, if there's a song to get the older news right now, like if you were like, let's start dancing. Like, I want to get a party going. What would you like? My love. Do you never think of candy, color, and raindrops? Everybody will be dancing. Okay. Have you ever seen a ghost? I think I felt one. Can you tell that I never want you to leave? Okay. I think you felt one. You felt one. Okay. Great. I felt. Okay. Perfect. The spirit of a ghost. Do you, do you have a go-to baby present? Money. Money. Just money. Y'all need it. Come on. We all can use it. Money is like my, like, my hand into the baby. I do the old school. I put some in a car. Like you want the car before the baby. Put some in a car. And they're like, yeah. Yeah. Love. Oh my god. Okay. And then lastly, what's making you laugh these days? Like, what do you, a video, a show? Is it a friend? Are you reading something? When you're like, when you're when you need a laugh, what do you watch, read, do, where do you go? What do you, where do you get it? Honestly with my friends. I'm always having something to talk about. There's something going on. There's something so I'm a real like one of my good friends in we be laughing on the phone like nobody's business Now see you like to talk on the phone with Ian. Yeah, he's good, though. Okay And honestly, it'll be like a 10 minute, you know, it's like oh, that's perfect You know, it's not we that you know, it's not ours because we just be like oh my guys like I gotta go and I'm like I got a go me in You know, I can't be on the phone too long, but it's like perfect. But we are like How did you guys meet and we met through my other really good friend Courtney? And so Courtney introduced me to Ian and Ian is just so funny He's out at the end. He line dances like he line dances at the party gets us all together And he's a party pumper. He is he's so much fun. So we be tackling feet kicked back my sisters also make me laugh Like I'm so community like my people like we we we we laugh him cutting up, you know, Kiki It makes perfect sense because you do that for us like I cannot tell you how many years like you know I have the pleasure to know you now, but just before I knew you like you made me you gave me such joy and You continue to do that for me all the time. You're so yourself. You're so real. You're so funny. You're so talent I just love you like I really have to I'm like so like overStimland. I'm like You were so much. You're doing the same right back. I mean you're Kiki Palmer Lauren Kiki Palmer the talent of all talents here today Thanks for being here. I love love having you Thank you so much Kiki. You are oh God. I can talk to you all day You're so funny and fun to be around and positive and interesting and the real deal Kiki Palmer Thanks for joining us and you know, we talked about work and we talked about rest and for this polar plunge I I just want to Point everyone's attention to a very Cool woman who speaks about rest the seven types of rest. We mentioned her in the podcast and she has an interesting TED talk and and books about just that her name is Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith and her seven types of rest and it just makes me think about about how important it is to find ways to do that. Whatever it may be like for example me I don't know Going in my bedroom and sticking my feet under the mattress and putting a sweatshirt over my eyes But let's not get specific, but you know what I mean But we I hope that this I hope that this episode and good hang episodes are a way for you to rest and so rest away and we will catch you next time Thanks so much. Bye You've been listening to Good Hang the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons Jenna Weiss-Burman and me Amy Poler The show is produced by the ringer and paper kite for the ringer production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalaine, Kaya McMollan and LA He is an era for paper kite production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss-Burman Original music by Amy Miles