Keep My Wife's Name Out Your Mouth: Friday, October 16th, 2026

♪ Good morning, girlies, it's the Tollos ♪ ♪ It's Jackson Claude and where your hoes ♪ ♪ It's your favorite show that fast by things you need to know ♪ ♪ We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast ♪ I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and Happy Friday! Yeah, that's right, it's Friday. Don't forget to hump someone you love 'cause it's Friday. In celebration. And actually, everyone should be humping on Fridays. We have nothing to be celebrating on Wednesday. It's like, hump days are Fridays from here on out. Yeah, but maybe that's like what helps you get through is the hump. But like a celebratory hump is always good. Yes, feel free. All right, come on over. Never. Happy Friday, it's just, it was a short week since, of course, we were expecting the hill out of the Indigenous and Columbus on Monday. But still, don't let that. It's not a problem. Don't let that. It's not a hard fought Friday. It's in a long day's night. And I'm at work in like a dog. I've been working like a dog. I guess you showed up at my house last night. Was it a little rat? Miss Margot. Was it the rat's mother? It was. Did she bring the rat? No, she did not. The rat was not welcome. She asked me and like, nobody responded. Yeah, she was like, I'm assuming I can bring Magnolia and then nobody responded. And she knew better than to bring Magnolia. Like, wait, so I can never bring. I was like, we have a lot of rugs. We have like carpets. She's like, so I can never bring her. I'm like, just say, yeah. Like, because then she can only, like, she can't be disappointed. And then she'll never come back. So I know I was like, maybe like, eventually, you know, there's no shortage. There's no shortage. There's no shortage of people in Margot's life who like want to take Magnolia for the weekend. She doesn't have a hard time finding child hair. Mm-hmm. She's fine. Yeah. And it makes Margot's trip more enjoyable, you know? Yeah. No, it was great. Very exciting to have Satchy. We're not just like Magnolia haters. Obviously like, we are, but like, she's a really bad dog. Yeah. She barks all day long when babies are trying to nap. Like, it's really, she's not a good house guest. Margot can't leave the house without her else. She'll have a breakdown. The entire time scratching the wall, scratching the doors. We're not just making this stuff up. Like, she is problematic. In addition to us, just like genuinely disliking her. Yeah. But also, I'm glad for Bruno because now he gets like extra love because Margot is obviously. Like a dog, I didn't take. aping hole in her heart. No. That can only be filled. Bikes. That's really brown-kinked girls. Bruno. It's Friday. We actually have a great show. You know, I don't know why anyone would be surprised by that, especially not the Golden Globes. Oh. It did a double feature last night. What'd you do? So, shout out to MTV for playing back-to-back, bring it on, and then Mean Girls. Like, first of all, I thought. You got to watch commercials. I did, but you know what? Like, it's a good time to get a stack. Like, I wasn't. They're also like on streamers. But these are movies I've seen before. Like, I'm not. They're not gripped by them. Like, I had to get up. You know, take a Romeo out. Like, whatever. It was. So amazing. First of all, bring it on. It's like so nostalgic. Like, these are two movies that genuinely raised us. And bring it on when you watch it through like an adult lens. Like, it's looking like kind of a weird movie. Like, there are some weird things about it. First of all, like, why do they cast that guy as the love interest? The brother of Missy. Like, it was meant to be. Like, alt. And, you know, a dichotomy. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of course. Like, why couldn't they have cast like someone handsome? I don't know why. Like, in my mind, he was always paid by Penn Badgley. It's a Penn Badgley energy. But Penn Badgley's hot. Like, there's the same degree of handsome. No, no, no. I'm telling you, you're misremembering. Like, I was just. I remember watching me like, that's who Tarantz ends up with. Like, it was just like Ike. And that's why it was shocking for Tarantz. And it was still a movie. Like, he should be handsome. Like, I was just like. I don't know. This is not adding up for me. I was like a couple of the, you know, like racial things that, like, would never fly today. Because it is technically like a black versus white team thing. Such a good movie, I was. Race war. No, it's literally a race war in Rancho Carnay, wherever that is, like San Diego. But it's such a brilliant movie. And it's crazy how it's literally the start of so many careers. Like, Gabrielle Union, Kirsten Dunst. They look both look exactly the same. So I was loving it. And then I was like, oh, what a fun trip down memory lane. Then they played Mean Girls. Now, when I was in high school, like, nobody could watch Mean Girls around me. Because I knew the whole movie. And I was wondering. I was like, I wonder if the dialogue has, like, stuck to my memory. Jackie, I knew every word. And I didn't even realize, like, at such a core level, how everything I say on this planet is rooted in Mean Girls. Like, obviously, like, you know, if I were you, go go. But like. You know, every intonation even. Jackie, that movie is 50% of my personality. There are literally, I would say, 60 quotes that are in. More, Jackie. More, more. Like, it's the whole movie. It's insane. Honestly, I haven't seen it in so long. It withstands the test of time. It is the best movie ever made. And one of my takeaways was like, I think I need to read Tina Fey's book. Because I don't think of her as like one of my queens. But she is. You love 30 Rock. And Mean Girls. Like, literally my personality. You love four seasons. I'm telling you, I think I might be like a Tina Fey, like. Stan. It's like, she's like a Mindy Kaling for you. Just don't even know. Exactly. When I was watching it, because she's in it, obviously, she's like even the worst character. Even more so than Lena Dunham, I would say. Once out, like, Tina Fey is a Lena Dunham of her generation. Bigger and better and more accomplished. But like, the sixth. So, way she speaks to women are age. Jackie, like, I couldn't get over it. And she's in the movie as the worst, most annoying character, Miss Norberry. Which is funny, because like, Miss Norberry wrote the movie and you forget that. It's just. It is. I highly encourage you guys to go watch Mean Girls. It might have been like 10 years since I last saw it. And it's just as good. They haven't made a movie that good since, honestly. They have not made a movie with that much of a cultural impact. Yeah. You know, it was a cultural shift. Everything. Like, it's so good. And first of all, that also is like the, you know, the launch of Rachel McAdams. Amanda C. Frey, like, so many careers. Lizzie Kaplan, Janice. She wound up being the biggest star of them all. Well, not really. But like, she's the most. I mean, Rachel McAdams worked a lot in "Tonus Man." And Amanda C. Frey. Like, Lizzie Kaplan gets insane roles now. No, and she's just like a really consistent working actor. Because we think of like the big four of the plastics. But yeah, she's like Loki in there. It's crazy. That like Aaron Samuel's didn't. No, you know what's crazy? Lacey Shabair. Like, she's the queen of hallmark. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But like, the other two. The other two are like literary Oscar nominated actresses. Rachel Regina and Karen. It's so good. Looks like he's headed for the projection room. I'm like, I was cracking up. Like, and I think maybe we watched it so young. Like, and we watched it. Literary are entire adult lives. I mean, young adult lives. I think maybe even some of it, like, never really. Like, I understood all of it. It's the best movie I've ever seen. I fell asleep before I was over. But I was having the time of my life. No, it is the best movie. Period. Period. And for so long to say that. No, for so long when people would ask me what my favorite movie is. Like, it's Mean Girls. And I don't know what I feel like maybe in recent years. Like. I think you feel shame if you're like stupid. Yeah. And also like a Mean Girl. And I'm supposed to be like a nice woman, you know? That's a sequel. Um. No, you know what? It is my favorite movie. It is. It is. It's really so good. Oh my god, you guys. And it's just like. Something's our eternal. Like, obviously so much has changed. And I just hold like phones and stuff. But this movie. Go dynamics. Random black hotties. Like, when they're going around. J.V. Jocs. Like, seriously? Oh, it's so good. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed. I also watched Kardashians last night. Oh, so did I. We have it in the story. So we'll recap it in the stories. Okay. 'Cause I watched it first episode and I told you guys that I fell asleep and it wasn't necessarily a reflection on the show being boring. And after watching the second one, I can tell you the show is really boring. We'll get into it in the stories. Yeah. But just know. And then I also went out to dinner last night. Oh my god. And Miss Margot came and she was like, coming me up ready. And did I. Did I tell you how to be fee-gifting? I actually didn't share. I just found on your Instagram like one of your fans. Yeah. I got fee fee. I got police. I got rollers. I got a hairbrush and I got like this silk top. So I like went to try it on the side. And I just assumed like nothing that they make is going to like, you know. It's up for like a mature woman. So, but the silk top I had like I had hopes. And me and Margot were both looking at it like. Right. Like what is this? Like a protractor. Like a pillow. Yeah, right. But it was actually so cute. It was made from 80% silk. I didn't wind up wearing it just because it like wound up not being like right for the occasion. But I was so impressed with fee-gifting my girls. Did you see our girls talking about us on their vlog? I heard about it. Yeah, so. Right. What's her name acquired? Acquired like is a vlogger, obviously, and she was doing her hair, obviously. And she was talking about how like usually when she's doing her hair. She listened to a podcast and she usually listens to the toes like she loves the toast. So much. It's the most amazing podcast that actually she like listens to the ads too. Because one more to so fun into like she like feels so sort of passionate about supporting us. And then I saw hilarious comments yesterday. Someone was like, not me watching the whole episode with the ads. Just to see if Olivia called Jackie back. You actually cannot skip our advertisements. So obviously like we have premium sponsors and it's so important to support our sponsors. And you might get like great codes you might hear about course. Of course. And that's just kind of like an aside to the drama that happens on like the inside jokes. I wouldn't miss it. Honestly, I really wouldn't. I wouldn't either. And I think that's probably what the golden gloves like one of them anything they saw in us is like our commitment to like really holding space for our advertisers. Which we do. And I heard radio words to not see that from us because we did not get nominated for best ad read. Oh wait, they didn't have that. I will never get over that snub. I mean, Thuma. Thuma, Thuma, Thuma. Let me be. What do you think is our best ad read ever? Like obviously, Thuma, we came up with an original. I just took it. Yeah. Embark, which is the DNA test for dogs, which I believe is actually a sponsor that's returning in Q4. I'm excited to bring back my original song. I just took it. So it's about Theo. I wrote a song about Theo to the tune of what's that song called? Lizzo. Lizzo, her one and only. DNA by Lizzo. He just took a DNA test turns out he's a hundred percent Russian, even when he's. Believe in countries. Yeah. - Yeah, he got. - What kind of problems did he have? Breath problems. - Heart problems. - Yeah, he's got heart problems. That's a caveat in him. - Bling, bling, man, he solves them. That's a doctor in him. Could have had a bad taste, non-committal. - Literally, Theos Lorgos so deep. The way the like songs were written about like Marilyn Monroe, like they were written about Theo. Rip. - Rip King. - Hope you're having fun in that dungeon in Brooklyn. Maybe it's at the bottom of art of play. - For sure. - Next book he writes, Theo Love's Tacos. - What? - The owner of the store. He wrote Dragons and Slav Tacos. - Oh yeah, a lot of people are like contributing even more to Theo Love. - Like, how does it actually crack the case wide open? I personally don't care. I never had that. - Kelly Clarkson wrote River Run. Whatever that children's book was called. - River Rose in the magical Lullaby. And so for supporting children's authors, we should buy that one. I never bought Dragons and Slav Tacos. I think people like it. I will now never buy it. - No, people were like the lore of these positions. I guess they are like, if you're in the magic space, which I can admit, I'm not. You might know the owners of this particular toy store because they're like famous magicians. And they have this DVD that went viral in the 2000s. And they do these shows that are super popular. And I guess one of them also wrote this like well-known children's book. I've never even heard of it. - I've heard of it. - Oh, you have. - I have Dragons and Slav Tacos. But like, nothing about that was like, like, pulling out. - I personally, I'm not the type of mom who would ever pick up a book. You know what? - I really never know, 'cause I probably never would have picked up Giraffe's Cantons. - I'm not for Andrew Schultz. - If not for Andrew Schultz. I really enjoyed having on the show, but I do feel like it's worth mentioning that like he literally never once even posted that he was on our show, like reshared the story. And you know, we tagged him in it and he like, you know when someone like messages you and you like hard it. - Yeah. - So he like saw it. He just like literally straight up didn't share. We didn't even have guests. We were just like really passionate about his comedy special being good. Like seriously, he could shove it. Like that was so lame. I'm saying, no, that's just like what you do. If you want someone to podcast and you post about it, like. - That happens, Coach. Yeah, at least we have Gerald. - So true. - Me and she brought us Gerald. - So true, 'cause we never would have read that children's back and let me tell you. Good luck and I think that book without crying. Oh, Gerald, don't be duffed. - Good stuff. - Great stuff. What are the stories like today? - We actually have like a lot of dancing with the stars type stories. That's just been the theme of the week. - I wanna say something. - I, but you'll have plenty of time. - Not about dancing with the stars. - Oh. - Well, it is, but like more of the glans. You know, we didn't want dancing with the stars for many years and I feel like we got so much like commentary. Please, like, you must have to watch it to the stars. I can't believe you guys so much. So now here we are like watching the dancing with the stars loving and so much making it our whole personality and I'm seeing so much feedback. We be like, can you let us talk about anything other than dancing with the stars? No. - You guys. - You guys. - You can't win. - You guys, you know, this happens all the time. We just get into something and we talk about it a lot and eventually we'll move on. Like this season will end and we will talk about other stuff. But like this is what has us buzzing right now and we wanna talk about the topics that we're buzzed about. - And some like other things are like falling off because of dancing with the stars. - I wanna say something I really don't like. I don't wanna talk about it. - I actually meant to choose. I completely forgot it that day and I actually didn't mind up becoming as big of a story as I thought 'cause tree pain like, you know, sent a nuke. But Travis Kelsey. - Like, oh right. I felt like people were actually looking too much into that. - No, but I felt like it was not gonna go away. I don't know how they got it to away 'cause it was really gaining steam one day and then the next day it was nowhere. - When I went to go, but it's also very hard to know when like screenshots go viral if they're real. Because when I went to go look, like Killer Trap hadn't liked it, you know? - So yeah, I liked it. - Did he, oh my god, let me just check now, like, for real. - I don't know that was really murky for me. - Yeah, that's good. - The duty tailor. I think there was a time where like, she would have cared so much about shit like that. - I don't think that she cares because he has his own career. If he wants to derail his own career, that's for him to do. It doesn't affect her. And I think it would also be for all the women to then blame the woman for what the man did is hypocritical. - Killa, right? - Killa Trap. - Three paintings in my phone, okay wait, Killa. - Three paintings called you? - Yeah, she called us to tell us not to make it a story. - No, it's not here. So let me see, unlike it. Well, that actually says more than him liking it 'cause I could see people just like, oh, I'm matching it was once he was nice and you just like liked his mom. - Yeah, like he's a comedian that I like. I saw he hosted it and I liked it. - Travis, like, has a good relationship with SNL. - So it's Taylor. - And I'd rather him just like leave his like there because that's how I feel. - Right. - You're gonna shame me and like, we're policing likes. - We're policing likes. - We're a drawer well called. - He's not happy with him. - Also, I'm sure you guys saw the video of Michael Che being like, how did on the today's show about what he thought? Actually, I think it's someone knowing when you're like, well, what do you think of this? And like holding other people accountable for like someone else's thing? But I actually, I'm kind of curious about like, what Michael Che thought. And he was really being hownned by this today's show interview. - And you look up, I didn't listen to it. - Oh, you didn't? She was like actually very persistent. Where would I find it? Somebody texted it. - It was in our chat. - Yeah. I think I texted it to you guys actually because I was really shook by her. Her kind of kahunas, you know? - I don't even know who she is. So, no, I don't know. - But I didn't know her either. - Let me see. - Wait, no, that's not it. It's a Rachel Parcell TikTok. - Classic. - I'm pulling up Michael Che. She can go, it's okay. Okay, ready? - What's going on at SNL? Because we couldn't help but notice your Instagram this week making a reference to. - And just FYI, he is doing press for his own comedy special. And he had posted on Instagram. Gonna do more press this week to promote the special. Wonder whatever question's gonna be about. Thanks a lot, Shane. - That's funny. - That's what the interviewer was asking him about. - Okay. - Certain someone's opening lot. - No, no. - He said, thanks a lot, Shane. Referencing, of course, Shane goes. - He had to bleep that out. - Well, there was the eye roll emoji. But in all seriousness, how are you thinking about what happened this week with Shane's opening monologue? You've seen the pushback. - No, again, that's comedy. It's like, you think it's funny and then some people don't. - Did you laugh at what he said? - That's a crazy question. - It's actually thinking about what I was gonna say that I was gonna make people upset. So I wasn't really, I didn't even see it. So the next day. - And you saw it. - I didn't think about it, honestly. I think it just was like, - Not everyone has to have an opinion on it. - Yeah. - If you had seen it a half-and-talk, 'cause the writers get to see the opening monologue, right? A head of time they get to see the drafts, I assume. - If you're not working, it's just so much going on. It's really hard to see what everyone's doing, you know? - Yeah. - Like for me, I'm not what they call good at my job. So I don't pay attention to that. - Oh, I don't know about that. Even on the weekend update, that's for a long time. If you haven't seen it. - But that's why I focused on update, because it's not something that I'm natural at. So I gotta really, really work at it. I gotta study it. - Most of your fans love the joke swap with your buddy, Colin. - Oh, she finally moved on. - Yeah, she was relentless. And like, sure, okay, I guess everyone's talking about it. Like you have to ask, but he said he gave an answer. - Well, if you thought, if you saw it, didn't seem like really crazy. And then he went on his Instagram again today, being like, I'm promoting my special, where I say 75 things that are 100 times worse than what Shane said. So it's like, who am I? I guess he's just not the type of comedian who likes to police other comment. - No, and it's not a spot that you want to get into. - 'Cause then you're kind of like a rat. - No, you're a rat, but then you also are putting a target on your back, like I'm a perfect comedian. And everything that I say is funny and unoffensive. - Right. - And then we go about your special and it's worse. - Right, and he says he says it's our work, like. - So yeah, he smart not to say anything and also as an SNL cast member. I'm sure some of the women more so are offended by what Shane said. But they really shouldn't speak out against it because it makes the show look really bad. It would stop people from wanting to host that like, you don't have your back and they would throw you under the bus. - There is like a general policy that the cast members like really shouldn't or can't publicly. - Like they didn't speak out about Kanye. - Right, and there was drama with Elon, remember. - When she was crying, like said she was crying when Elon holds it. - She came up with that like, she told everyone that months later. - Well, she was still on the show. - Yes, but it was not in that time. - Oh, yeah. I do think you're really not allowed to. And they say you can just always tell like at the end when they're all clapping, like whether everyone likes the host or not. - Yeah, but I think it would be a really bad precedent. - And it wouldn't be an encouraging place for people to want to stop on their press tours. - No, and like you just don't know who's gonna turn on you and like make you a fool in public and then you'll feel like awkward in the writers room or throwing out jokes. - Right. - And then, it's supposed to be like a summer camp environment, you know? - Yeah. - All working together. - Yeah. Okay, let's get into the stories. Without further, do it is time for the past five stories that you'd do need to know. - And the past five stories that you need to know are brought to you by Minted. Whether you're getting married, decorating a home, buying personalized stationery or throwing a shower, Minted offers unique, designed forward stationery, art and home decor, designed by independent artists from around the world. 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Of course, their routine was amazing, but Carianne critiqued it. - Kind of like stunted on her publicly on the show, the comparison a little bit apparently. Reports were saying Jenna was like sobbing backstage. - Yeah, so Val Schmerkowski, who's the husband of Jenna Johnson, then posted a photo of Will Smith like infamously slapping the rock at the Oscars after the rock, Chris Rock had made a comment about his wife, then everyone's flipping out, and then Val had commented on it saying, "You almost saw the fresh prince enter the ballroom last night." - Like seriously, yikes. - Yeah, so then people were outraged that he would be threatening violence against a woman. - And people were truly, like the thing is, I really couldn't believe that that is what he meant. And I saw people offering other-- - Takes, some people-- - Yeah, maybe he meant, 'cause you know before Chris Rock slapped, got slapped, Will Smith had said, "Keep my wife's name, "out your fucking mouth, which would apply here." And I was like, "Oh, maybe that's what he meant." But honestly his apology just didn't say that. - His apology confirmed that that's what he meant. - The slap, you mean? - Yeah, sort of, he didn't say, like I didn't mean that. So anyway, so after he posted that, then carry on, like-- - 'Cause if everybody thought I meant the slap and I actually meant keep my way, I would feel really, I would apologize, of course, but I would want people to know, I didn't mean I was ever gonna slap a woman. - Yeah, so but I can understand the world, it's like this is a meme about defending your wife. Here you go. - Right, but his apology did not say that, and I assume now that just contextualizing his apology, he was referring to slapping carry on. - Oh my God. - Which is insane. When I saw this, I was like, there's literally no way, I did not believe it until his apology. - So then carry on, like when on Instagram and like she posted like other outlets that had some of the drama and she said, "Thank you for bringing this to my attention." Is this what we're doing now? - And then Val just posted on his Instagram. I wanna apologize from the bottom of my heart for my recent post. I've reached out to carry on to apologize directly and personally, and I also wanna apologize publicly as I understand my words affect so many outside of our internal dance with the stars family. I should have never made the reference that I did and I deeply regret it. I recognize that I am in a fortunate position to have a platform and to be a role model to some, and I need to treat that with more care by actively pausing to think before I post to ensure what I am sharing aligns with who I am and who I wanna be for you all. And I'm truly sorry to carry on and everyone who I hurt with my careless post, I will do better moving forward. Okay, so it doesn't like an entirely the confirm that that's what he meant, but he doesn't even try. - But sometimes people don't wanna hear your excuses. You know, it's just like take a count building on not apologize. - No, I think it's such an important distinction. I, and by the way, he's not from here. So like I do things like people who aren't like American outright, like I'm just looking for excuses. Like I think that maybe it's so bad. Like I'm really, I really, I mean, I don't know him that well, but he seems like a nice guy and I just like to give people the benefit of it. - I know. - I think he's starting to stop carrying on the face. I think it was a meme about defending your wife and how you feel when someone's like coming for your wife. - For your family. - I don't think he was saying about carrying on the other side of it. I think he was just like was posting a meme. I'm in defensive husband mode. Like, and you don't, when you post that, you're not thinking through the layers of it. Well, what does this connote? - Of course, of course I don't know, but it's such a bad joke. And he absolutely should have apologized. He never should have posted that. I don't think his thing with the stars. - And then they're not comedians. Like dancing with the stars is not like that. - Right. - And family friendly. Like we're not throwing down in a meeting in the parking lot at three o'clock. So like this sort of rhetoric has no place here and apologized for it. But I personally don't think he's like a woman beating nasty individual. - Meaning there, I don't think he's a woman beating nasty individual. Like I really don't. But like there are seriously some jokes like that just aren't funny. And I think also to do with the stars is not really, as far as I know, based on like my limited involvement in the community. I don't really think that they fire a lot of. They don't like police, they're telling a lot. I don't know if anyone's really ever been like fired for like saying something or as it pertains to the show. So I of course people are like calling for him to be fired. I don't think they do that. I think it's like a very tight-knit family. And I do think like yes, giving him the benefit of the doubt, like not connecting the dots immediately that you're saying you're gonna slap a woman is like what he meant. He's more self-protecting his wife. And I'm actually I'm really glad he apologized because it was a shock to like I was really shocked. - Yeah, I also think like in general, the pros need to like stop. - Yes, the pros need to get offline. - No, but also like the judges come to their there to judge. If you fucked up in your dance, they're going to call it out. And yes, your dance was making everybody's working hard and like maybe sorry they're not giving you enough compliments. But like stop taking the judges' criticism so personally. - Yeah, I also think the pros get way too involved in like the community rhetoric on social media. And we've talked about even like with Guillermo, like they're really like our corners of this family that are insane, very passionate, very zealous. And like you know dedicate their whole social media as to talking about what's going on. And almost every single time I see a TikTok, I open the comments and one of the pros is in there. Like get out, go back to rehearsal. Like seriously get off your phones. They're too involved. You also need to let your community Like, it's an entertainment show. You need to let them just like have their space. - Ain't not real and it doesn't matter. Like, look at what happened to Whitney Lev at last season. Like, nobody got more hate and now nobody is like-- - More beloved. - More beloved and looked at more favorably. And like, when we look at her season, we're like, "Oh my god, I can't believe we got to see that." So like, when it's happening, people don't know what they're saying. But we don't have to hold those people accountable 'cause we don't fucking know them. And they're random people. - And it's like, let it be. Like-- - You are a role model. You do have a platform like set-- This is like for creators in general. Like, stop getting in the mud. - On like, the critiques of you. - Yeah. - You're not meant to see that, first of all. And I'm sorry that you do. But getting, it's kind of like, you know, authors are really not ever supposed to interact or read their negative reviews. Like, you're not supposed to respond. - Never listen to the redheads if you've written the book. - Right. - Never. - You need to give, if you're creating art, like, you really do need to give your audience space to critique it positively and negatively. And every, literally, every time I see a TikTok, I'm opening up, I'm like, I just know one of these bitches is in the comics. They are all way too chronically online. And I know that like, being online is a part of the show and how you successfully, like, make it is by TikTok. And so I know it's like a necessary evil. But like, they all need to step away. Yeah, they're doing too much. That's like, kind of what I was trying to say about Derek Huff, just like, commenting on our stuff. Even though he's not a pro, it's like, they're all so involved in the community. It's like too much. And maybe when the show was smaller, like, that was nice that they were like involved in their community engagement. But like, the show is huge. You're all major stars. You have millions of followers, like, let the audience just talk and spew their shit, it will be over in a few weeks. >> I've also been seeing this narrative, like, that the old dancing with the stars was much more interesting, much more tea, much more drama. The pros and the judges would literally fight during-- >> On screen. >> On screen, you saw that, have you seen the clip of, like, Maxim and Len telling him to retire, like, crazy it. And I think there's some people being, like, now the old dancers with the stars is better. And so, like, they might feel, like, a little bit emboldened to, like, go for the jugular a little bit sometimes. But, like, that doesn't-- it's 2026, like, that's not gonna work. Like, everyone is brand-safe. Nothing is drama, especially this show. I don't know why or how it happened, but it's just become, like, a family-friendly, like-- >> All American. >> All American. >> Yeah. >> And all that has been left behind. So, like, if you're trying to, like, take up the maximum mantle, like, don't do it, it's not the environment. >> No, and 2026 is not the year. >> Yeah, and I don't want to see awkward tension on me. It's gonna be like, I just want to see the dance. >> It's fun. >> It's fun. >> You know? And if Karian Namba says you didn't do the somba, and you did a lift, and they want to take it on the chin and move on, like, guys did a great dance, whatever. >> It's true. >> So, I think everyone needs to take things a little less personal, and yes, he fucked up, but, like, I think he should not be fired. >> No. >> I don't think that's what he meant. It's just unfortunate. >> Yeah. >> Hopefully Karian can forgive him. And if Karian can forgive him, then everyone can. >> Yeah, I would have felt like-- >> Discuss it. >> Or, like, address it even. >> I don't know. >> I feel like maybe when Val's getting his critiques, and Karian's talking, he'll, like, say something. >> Yeah. >> That would be appropriate. >> And to say, like, a nice thing, like, Karian, I respect you so much. Thank you. >> Yeah, you're a queen. >> Because, we said this earlier. >> I value your council. >> Karian, like, really gets so much shit for sort of being the Simon Cowell. And it's like, well, somebody has to be the Simon Cowell. >> I guess that's the absence of Len, is what I'm understanding. >> Yeah, but I think-- >> You should be Len. >> Karian, Len, and Brune. And then Len passed, and Len was the Simon. >> Yeah, but Len was always-- and Len was never, like, critical and, like, a mean way. And Karian's not mean, either, but she just, like, is very matter of fact. Whereas, Len was, like, this old grandpa. So it was, like, all, like, oh, Len, like, you know? >> Yeah, maybe it's a little bit, like-- >> Well, that's just, I think, a lot of misogyny coming from what is-- >> Yeah, exactly, because then she's a bitch, right? >> Right. >> Right? Are you ready for our next story? >> Mm-hm. >> We're dancing with the stars news. Because Kim Kardashian actually was on Jimmy Kimmel talking about her experience on dancing with the stars, which is just so crazy. She is still traumatized by her soon as-- >> How's our weed now knowing what we-- >> Well, she was partnered up with Mark Ballas. >> She was partnered with Mark Ballas. She said to Jimmy Kimmel, "I would honestly cry in my trailer, like, every single night praying to get kicked off. It was so hard for me. At the time she reflected, I was so shy to do it. I couldn't get over myself. I couldn't get into it because I was just so shy." >> By the way, a lot of people have that experience, like Lisa Vanderpump famously, like, painting. >> Well, and people just can't do it for, like, physical or emotional reasons, like-- >> She said, "I've never danced again. I'm traumatized. It's traumatized me for life." >> Well, we know from the show that she hates to dance. >> Yes, like, she got pulled up on stage by Hums, and she prints, and she, like, wouldn't go, and she wouldn't dance, and it was, like, he, like, kicked her off. >> I think she started dancing more because of North and TikTok, and she's more comfortable, which is really beautiful and full circle. So it's insane that she ever went on dancing with the stars considering she hates to dance, but I think that's how desperate she was today. >> It would be famous, yeah, it's a real-- it would be like, seriously, like me going on special forces. Like, you're biggest op, but, like, you know, you want. And what's crazy is, like, the show wasn't that huge at the time. So, like, she was really desperate. >> People took the clip of them dancing. >> I've seen clip-free, so she's bad. >> I can't even watch it. >> She's really bad. Do you know what's swimming with us? Are skating with the stars? >> Yeah. >> They tried to do these offshoots of, like, professional diving, and ice skating. Honestly, they should try again. >> Yeah, we're, I'm ready for it. >> Yeah, and I think that, like, people love these types of shows now because there are so many reality stars, and so many influencers, and so many people, we want to see, like, doing things. Give skating with the stars a try. >> Yeah. >> And there are so many famous figure skaters who can become pros. >> Yeah. >> Honestly, free idea. >> Kim said they had a family poker night, three weeks ago, and Kylie decided to put it on the big movie screen because half the people there didn't know that Kim did it, and she wanted to show everyone. She said, thank God, it's so old that it's, like, pixelated. There's no age here, and there's no age here, and there's no age here, and there's no age here. >> Yeah, there are, like, weird, like, deep-rooted lore of people who you would never think would be on dancing with the stars in Zendaya. >> Yeah. >> Kim, of course, Sean Spicer. Like, there are so many people who you're, like, wait, what? >> Yeah, it was a thing for people who were, like, really on the rise at the time. Like, you weren't that famous yet, but, like, you were on your way. Now, it's, like, honestly, I think it's a tough gig to get. >> Yeah, it makes me wonder, though, like, who right now was crying in the trailer, like, desperate to go home? I feel like nobody. >> Let me actually think. Winning Carson, no kidding. Nobody. >> Right? It feels like ever. And because, historically, like, these Savannah Pump, we've known that there have been people who haven't enjoyed doing the show, but it doesn't feel like people feel that way anymore. >> No. >> You have to really want to do it. >> Also, I've been meaning to tell in this, Josh Peck needs to do dancing with the stars. I think he would be really good. >> Yeah, he could totally win if he, like, >> Exactly. >> Two steps together. >> He's got tons of followers, fame, like, people who will actually go for him. I think he's probably a good dancer. >> Yeah, he can talk about, like, >> It's like Jordan Fisher. >> Yes, exactly. Like, those Nickelodeon kids, like, they're built different. >> Corn blue. >> Was Corn blue on? >> Yeah, but, apparently, he came in second time, Mariahle. >> Oh, she was a tough gal to beat. >> Or one to say one more thing. >> Or he won, it's one or the other. >> Oh, I'm really glad that I said, I thought I was really gonna get in a lot of trouble for what I said about Julia Stiles. But so many people agreed with me, and actually emboldened me to take my step even further, because apparently, like, Julia Stiles has gone on records saying, like, her and Heath, like, never really kept in contact after. They're moving together and obviously, like, she was saddened by his passing, but this wasn't a person who was particularly close to her. And the word I was looking for yesterday, thank you, was performative. It is a really performative, and it's like, it's almost, it's very in line with Julia Stiles, like, giving us nothing personally. Like, when we talk about her packages, is she married? >> We know nothing about her, and it's like, it's not on you to tell, like, spill your guts, but that is how you connect with an audience, and it's like, she's just pulling out all these stops for, like, what she thinks people want, so you could continue to dance. Then you were telling him to Heath Ledger, like, you did one movie together 27 years ago, and you have gone on records saying, you didn't even keep in touch afterwards. >> And they're doing it to that Frankie Valley song, and it's from the movie, can't take my eyes off of you. >> So it's like, it's just so, like, corny, and honestly, not real, so I'm glad I said it, and thank you to everybody who gave me even more contacts, like, emboldening me. >> Yeah. >> Linda emboldened him. >> Yeah. I wonder who will be there for, like, if Michelle Williams is there to support? >> I doubt it. >> Oh, I'll accept it. >> I genuinely doubt it. >> Yeah. Our next story's a little more Kardashian news. Kardashians season eight episode two, dropped two days ago, and some headlines, Kendall Jenner, says that dating would be easier if she was a lesbian. She says men suck. >> One of the boys, yeah. One of the most painful scenes to watch, and maybe Kardashians history. >> I feel really embarrassed because Zach was there when I was doing it, and he was already, like, bummed that I turned, we came back from dinner. We didn't have a lot of time to watch TV. He turned on football. I was like, no, I have to watch Kardashians. And so that was the first thing, and he was like, this show sucks. I was like, it's not that bad. >> And the thing is, I actually think that L'Oreal show is so interesting. And I love that Kendall does. And I know she's like the big face of L'Oreal, and this was clearly like an advertisement for L'Oreal too. And she got caught, and it really had potential to be like a very interesting scene for Kendall. And I don't think she has a lot of those. And her just sitting there, like, you're ungunned red wine being like, I can be a lesbian, like, it was so honestly homophobic. Like, it was awful, clear mating. >> Oh, 1,000% and Kara's such a good sport. And I would have loved to hear more about, like, just their friendship when she was talking about, like, her really took her under her wing, and they were showing all those shows from the photos from the shootoff fashion show. Like, it's like for lack of, there's not interesting things to talk about here, but it's like, she didn't stop, and she's like looking at the camera with like her red wine. And she's like, I mean, like, I've never tried it, but like, I love it. >> And she said, she said, you know, we should address this. Like, I think she felt like so emboldened, like, oh, we're gonna give the people tea. We're finally gonna say the thing that everybody wants to hear. And it was just like, no, maybe if you had this conversation five years ago, we would have cared. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> But like now, it's like, oh, we've all seriously moved on. >> And like, really, nobody thinks she's her lesbian. And even if you were like, literally, nobody cares. Like, be lesbian, like, that's wonderful. Like, it's not such a big deal. You don't need to, like-- >> And I don't know if I ever thought that they dated. >> I did it. >> Like, obviously, we've all heard the rumors. >> Yeah, of course. >> About them, but about Kendall. >> Kendall, yeah. >> Because she's like the only sister in the family who's not married, and she's like, sort of a tomboy. Like, I love horses, and I'm a nerd. >> Yeah, if I ever thought that they dated, which I didn't, I would I do believe her that they didn't date that they've never hooked up. - Sure, I don't care enough to not believe. And Carr was a good sport. And Carr was also like, yeah, there was a time in my life. And this is true, where like anyone I was spotted with, just like assumed she was kinda making kind of me, like you're not special. Like yeah, anyone I was spotted with, who was a girl, like people just assumed I was with. And that was true at the time. It was just such a corny scene. I was like actually like but clenching the whole time. - Yeah, I was really embarrassed to watch everyone's act. The rest of the episode highs and lows, I would say. - Mostly lows. - It was so boring. - One part that I did like was my two new faves. - The male model with Chloe. - Kylie and Courtney getting together. - Oh, that was about their home renovations. - It's giving Olivia and Margot. - Give me a spin-off show of the two of them doing their homes, like Courtney and her fireplace. - Well, didn't you feel like the word fireplace started to sound weird? - Yeah, nobody was just like so funny. Also, I love that her house. It's gonna be amazing. - I like the duo too, like an unexpected duo. - And I just don't understand like why a 10 month project for them could take like three years. Don't you have the best contractors? - I don't know. - So that was like, I found it all to just be so, especially because like doing house stuff right now, I would love a fireplace. I just wanted to be so relatable, I loved it. And they're such an unlikely duo. And like, I was having dinner with a friend last night. We were both talking about how we were gonna go home and watch and we were talking about like our faves right now. And I was like, I love Kylie, of course. And then I was like, I also really like Courtney like at times. It depends on the environment she's in, but like that specific duo, like does a lot for me. More of them. - Yeah, her DMV part two was even more boring than part one. Like, it was genuinely dreadful. - I was on my phone on my Caroline. - So it's like, I feel like I want to vindicate Courtney because I do feel like she's been wronged by her sisters in the last couple of years. And I do think she's like really misunderstood. But then she goes and gives us that. And it's like, I appreciate that she's showing up for work. And like, this is her way of doing it. She's wants to be prioritizing family. And I get that, but it's like it's so boring. We had to watch it twice. Last week and this week. - No, but I guess like some people care about Landon and like the Barker children. So like, maybe for them. - I care about Alabama. I do. - That's next week. - But maybe for them, like that scene, like scratch something in their brain, like I don't know. But we're watching the Kardashians, not the Barkers. - Yeah, it was so boring. It really was. - Not meet the Barkers. - There was a lot of boring bits. Obviously Kendall, obviously the DMV. All's fair, it was like pretty boring. - Oh my God, that was so strange. It was just like, we are going on a press tour. First, we're going in New York. We're in New York on the press tour. - The whole episode was so branded. - Every episode. - The whole show is a commercial for the very- - For their project. - And then one of the projects, All's Fair, is a Hulu production. We're watching the show on Hulu. So it was like, it was literally just like a Hulu. - It was like a glamorous commercial. - Then the perfume. It was so branded. Loria, like I was actually getting, and I'm not going to mind branded stuff. Like I do think it's interesting how you make your money. - Yeah, that's fine. - Boring. - I'm a capitalist. - 100%, and it's like I, that's my dream job. Like you're, I would love to- - But like you could do it better. - I did enjoy the mentalist, but like they showed- - I, last words I'd say, I loved the mentalist. - They showed too many tricks. Like at the end I was like, "Great, well you're obviously going to get Helen." - No, I would see more. I was just thinking we need to have him on the toast. - So the good guys had, I think it might have been, oh, you know there's two. - Yeah. - Both like it's real. - One with a tea, right? - Oz, anything like Lior? - Hold on, mentalists. - Can you just tell me what good guy's mentalist had on? Ben said it was sick. Was it remote though? - No. Oh, they had Oz Proven. Oh, it was Proven. Yeah, he's like- - I saw him on Joe Rogan once too and he guessed Joe's pin number and Joe was like- - He's out. - A Jew. Kim needs to date him. - Yeah. - I was gonna have amazing chemistry. - I think that about like everyone, I still am hung up on Kim and Andrew Huberin. Like that- - Oh, I moved on. - That's a couple that I think would have broke the internet. - I think he would have made her more unsufferable. Like I'm looking for somebody to really ground her and that's not Andrew Huberin. - No, I think it's him. It's certainly not Lewis. - I would love to have Oz Proven on the show. Like we could just ask Ben, we should fly him in, like. - Yeah, I think he's so interesting. - I agree. - I like him. - He doesn't know I hate games. I hate when someone brings a magician to a party and then makes me- - I like him. - If I'm at the party or if I have to watch a show about that nightmare, if you will, I loved it. How does he do it? - I have no idea. - How does he do it? - He's really one of the world's greatest. - It's crazy. - Also, I mean, get a lot of Chris this episode, which was devastating because like she is, in my opinion, like just as she deserves her own like, they all get like chapters. - She like doesn't get one. She just like pops up in other people. - Yeah, she, Chloe's talking about her daughter, Tyler. - Oh, right. So I feel like she's never gonna have the daughter because you don't share the name unless you know you're never having the kid, you know. - I guess that's an us thing. I don't know that that's necessarily true. And she would have to name her Tyler if she has her. - It's cute. - I wonder if she's gonna have her. - Oh, I thought it was really interesting talking about the paperwork. - Yeah. - She owns all the embryos. - The least is Chris didn't could do. - Of course. And like Chloe's actually hella smart for that. But that's just like crazy. That's a thing you can do. Like own embryos, you know? - Yeah. - But I mean, look what happened to Sofia Vergara. - Yeah, it's a really complicated stuff. - No, she's 100% valid and right for that. And I bet it's like such a freeing feeling to be able to make those decisions on your own without having to consult literally the dumbest person in the world who they're so kind to. Like he was at the mentalist with his friend. - They like him. I don't know why. - But they like everyone. He's not special. French Montana still comes, you know? Like they just collect people. - They do, but like Lamar doesn't come, you know. P. Davidson doesn't come. They like Tristan, which is good because that's the father of her children. - I think sometimes like the men they collect are sort of wayward and make the perfect addition to their family. But some of them like have other things going on. Like I think Pete has like, you know, a life back home. Like he's not looking for a second family. I think a lot of them actually are like sort of like orphans. - Yeah. - And Chris is more than happy to be Miss Hannigan. She's so Miss Hannigan. - She is. - She looks great. I love her. We didn't get enough Chris. It was so boring. Like seriously. - I hope it's how he has the baby. - Yeah, whatever she wants. Actually, I feel like I kind of like she's like re-emerging. - I know. And she probably feels like I'm gonna have to go back and she's got her. - But like her son is young. - Pink back, pink back. - Her son is three I think. So it's not like you're fully out. - No, but you're out of like diapers. Like a lot of the trenches. - Yeah. - And she could like, and she says she might be ready today. Like if she goes back into the newborn bubble, like she won't be ready. - I wish she asked out the male model. It was giving though Kim and Shango. - No, it wasn't giving Kim and Shango because Kim and Shango had like a real chemistry. - I actually felt so awkward watching Chloe. - No. - And when he was like pushing her up against the rock, I was like, okay, calm down. - Yeah, she was that horrible. - But when she left set, she finally was normal. And she was like, oh my god, thank you so much. And like it was actually cute. I feel like she could have been like, like we should get to her sometime. I feel like in a situation like that, like she would have to ask Kim because of that. - Absolutely. - But I'm telling you like she didn't like him. That's the thing. They had bad chemistry. Shango and Kim, it was electric. Literally. - It was. - Okay, so it's Kardashian's recap. Are you ready for our fourth story? - I feel like I'm not, right? - I feel like you're not. - Yeah, is it our fourth story that's brought to you by Home Chef? - Yes. - But the holidays around the quarter, schedules are filling up fast. And the last thing you have time for is cooking every single night. Well, Home Chef delivers restaurant quality meals right to your door for way less than eating out at a restaurant and way less stress than meal planning during the busiest time of year. Home Chef just makes cooking simple. They deliver fresh food with easy recipes to follow and meals that actually taste great. 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She explained that Rhodes Philosophy has always centered on creating one version of each product that customers genuinely need. She added that she wants every release to reflect items she personally uses rather than launching products simply to increase sales. The comments quickly sparked debate online, critics pointed to their expanding catalog, which includes the lip gloss phone cases and pimple patch accessories. They argue that these frequent releases directly contradict her message of over-consumption. The thing is, I actually know what she meant. When you go to the road, what's the word? Website? No, at Sephora, like the road section? Counter, sure. They really don't have that many products for a billion dollar brand, and that's what I think what was so impressive about their valuation was like, at the time, it's like the toner, the glazy milk, it's like six or seven skincare products plus the blush, it is impressive. I know that's what she meant, and I do think she was just sort of like using like a buzzword. Yeah, like, to make herself look good, and it's like, well, if you look at anyone's life holistically, you'll point out where they have over-consumed, so I knew what she was like trying to say, but it's just like trying so hard to appease people, because seriously, nobody cares. Road is great. Road is great. Like, it's all good. Yeah, and it's just really cool. Yeah, like, making a phone case that also holds your lip gloss in your pimple patch, like, is not under-consumption. Not in that. Someone said, you know, she makes the same exact lip-tied product in 12 different tints. Correct. New flavor every day. But then if she did, and people would be like, well, your shade range is an inclusive. You know what I mean? So it's like, you really can't win. Yeah. So it's like, don't even bother trying, like, seriously? Yeah. It felt like a little like preachy, and the, which is like, that's not what road is. Like, you launched a brand, and you want to be a billionaire. Of course, and if you're really not interested in over-consumption, and you're just like a wealthy celebrity, like, you wouldn't start a brand period. Yeah. She's like, wrong. I mean, I'm over-consumer. Because there's plenty of skin care, and your skin was fine, and you know what I mean? You could make that argument. She went on to say, you know, like, a conversation about marginsates to see me coming, because like, when they're trying to, like, trim the margins to increase the profit, she never wants to do that, like, she wants the product to be amazing, which I, I don't even think has to do with, you know, any communist vibes from her. I think it's more so, like, you want to put out a, a product that you can be proud of. You're not trying to, like, skim on everything. Okay, but you know that, like, when they went to Elf, like, all the sizes, like, the prices stayed the same, and the side, the components went down. So it's like, she's selling less product for this, like, the road toner is, like, now smaller and, like, less fluid ounces. So it's like, it's actually the opposite. So it's like, no, it cares. She's like, don't say that. Don't say that. To make it even smaller. Yeah, like, don't even start. I understand what she's saying, because sometimes that happens, like, with stuff that happens when it's, like, well, this will make it, we can do it this way, but it's going to be more expensive. And like, you don't want to charge more so, yes, the part of it will be smaller. I'm like, but I actually, I mean, capitalist saying, no, I don't care. I don't want to put out that version. Of course, no, and I don't want to charge that much on the brand and it's her name at stake. Like, I totally get it. But she is just somebody who people, like, are obsessed with criticizing. So this was going to happen. No, and I love her. I always defend her. But I saw that clip organically on my own. I was like, please. Like, seriously? Agreed. And I agreed. And I will just, if she has no haters, I passed a, I mean, I'm sorry. If she has no fans, I've, like, literally passed away, it's in my best role now. Communism is in vogue, so I understand what she was trying to do. Oh, thousand percent. Like, it's, yes. Just keep a little sprinkle. Right. For the communists. For the communists. 100 percent. But people saw her right there. They saw her right there. I'm actually shocked that, like, more, that so many people saw her right there. And instead of been like, and it was like this business conference, like, why are people even watching it, you know? Like, fortune. This is like capitalism, HQ. 101. Yeah. Where, like, capitalism was invented. Yeah. So, rare. Rare. Rare. Rare. Our fifth and final story is just a fun one about a toaster. What? Yeah. Dingalamone. Her new show, Hollywood Arts, the Victoria Spinoff, just came to Netflix. I just want to say, I love this concept. People don't, when we talk about-- And Dingalamone is a toaster, by the way. Yeah. She plays Tori Vega. Chicago. And the new show, Hollywood Arts, follows Trina. Who's Tori's-- She plays Trina Vega. She's Tori's little sister. Yeah. She doesn't play Tori Vega. She plays Trina Vega. What did I say? Oh my god. How dare I? How dare I? Well, the new show follows Trina, who's now a struggling actress, as she returns to her former performing arts high school as an unqualified substitute teacher. Like, really cute concept. I feel like there's actually a lot of lore. Like, you know, we've beaten everything to death, right? We do revamp, reboot, reunion. And a lot of the iconic Nickelodeon shows, I think because of the whole dance night or thing, they never really go there. They never do reboots or anything. But victorious, like, the cultural impact the show had, really came. And I love that they're taking it from the Trina Vega role. No, also the premise, and it is on Netflix, so it can be a little saucer. The premise is giving bad teacher. Like, I love that sort of environment of this wayward teacher. I hope there's going to be original music that was one of the better parts of victorious. Like, Loki the Bops. Yeah. You don't have to be afraid to put your dream in action. You'll never be in vain. You'll be the main attraction. Like, so good. What I'm going to do now is freak the freak out. My best friend's brother is the one for me. Like, so good. So good. So, none of the people are making original music on their TV shows. I just want to say. Danielle Monet is returning. Matt Bennett is returning as rubbish here. Blaster. Eric Lane. You want to see it like the principal? And he will be, he admits that he has a crush on Trina. Oh, sweet. Yeah, whatever. Eric Lane is Mr. Psychoicts, and Ivan Colbrown, as principal Helen Dubois. Ivan Colbrown. Yeah. It sounds really good. I know. Like, you know what? I feel like could be coming next. Drake and Josh reboot. Like, Drake and Josh are on good terms. That's where my mind went. I know nothing, by the way. I'm not like speaking out of turn. I know that they're on like very good terms. They've mended their relationships, and I think they healed through a lot of like their trauma together, publicly and privately. And Netflix is picking up old Nickelodeon shows like, hello. I know two guys. Yeah. Ben Soffer would not be okay. He would make us move to LA and like, he would obviously get like a very small role because a barista or something. And he would make us all move out to LA. He would make you move to LA again. Yeah, guys. Just know if I can move to LA in the next couple of months and I'm like making up a fake lie about it. Like, I did for the mass singer. It's because there's a Drake and Josh reboot. There she's doing dancing with the stars, or I'm doing dancing with the stars. But no. In the next couple of months, that wouldn't happen. Or we're both doing dancing with the stars dream. But I'm saying, dial can't get fired before you do it. Right? I don't want to be with you though. Oh, you still want to be with you on? Of course. We would have so much fun. We probably wouldn't win, but we didn't. Even though we have like the brother sister plan, remember my plan for like, we should go on together and both be with brothers and be with brothers. But Maxim's not even on the show anymore. So your plan is already defunct. And I want to back all the time, and honestly, Val, like, he's kind of controversial right now. I'm really not interested. Wow. Who are you to judge? Yeah, no, I know. I'm saying like the two of us together, like, too radioactive. Man, yawn. You need brand safe. And I want to have a good time because I'm not going to win. So I just want to at least enjoy. myself and I feel like Val would actually be like really hard on me. - You know what's funny, Kim, I can't believe we need to make this comparison. Kim, on dancing with the stars, is you on mass singer. - Yeah, except she didn't quit. - But she like, you know, she might as well dance. - She might as well dance. - Yeah. - Yeah. - She had the same exact experience, trying every time her trailer. - Literally me. - Just someone put it on the screen. - Ah, turn it off. - Yeah. - Wow. - 100%. - She's an inspiration. - No, no, and it's nice to see like, it didn't impact her career and it won't impact mine. - And it's nice to see that it didn't ruin singing for you, like it ruined dancing for her. - Oh, that's true, but there's really nothing in the world that could happen to ruin singing for me. - Yeah. Okay, that's too Queenie and Weenie. - Oh, yeah, of course. Queenie and Weenie, let me see how I wrote this down. - Me as well. - Oh, yeah, okay. So Queenie and Weenie is our final segment of every week. Every Friday, we just like wrap up the show, take a look back at what an amazing week we had. I mean, give out two awards. It's based on a game we used to play as children. We called Weenie of the Week where Olivia and Jackie would get up and bully me in Margo and one of us was always Meenie of the Week, but we're taking our power back and we're giving it to other celebrities. It's not a big deal. Don't get offended if you're Meenie of the Week. It's seriously just a seven-day title. We'll see you next Friday. So we're starting with Queenie. - Yes, of course, my Queenies are Guillermo and Whitney. Both equally Queenie, maybe Whitney, like a little bit more, just as like a pregnant mom of two. What they've done for this country, for women, for men of a certain age. Like, can't we just say that he bought her a deorabac? - I did. A beautiful color, too. Guillermo has taste. - It's like Tiffany Blue. - It scores just and then she wore it to the Rare Impact Fund, Gala. - And she also went on Jimmy Kimmel. - Right. And now I'm so excited for her to go home and put those feet up. - Godfather Guillermo, you think? - Perhaps. I don't even know. - I honestly don't even know what to make of their relationship. - I don't even think she can process. Like, all of us, she's just like, please, can I sit down? - Sit down, please. My Queenie just goes to an organization that I feel continues to have great taste and see, you know, undiscovered talent. And that organization is the Golden Globes. And I might even make them my Queenie every week until the nominations come out. I was just, I for another week, I have found myself in all of their ability to scout beautiful women and talent. - Yeah, it's so true. I think they picked us out out of a pile of stuff. - Literally. And like, maybe someone would say, like, those belts were all the same, but no, they know what we are. - Yeah. That's beautiful. - Now, of course, my Queenie of the week. - He's hard to play. - A hundred percent. I literally, I hate to even make the Queenie of the week because the whole saga, like, did bring me a lot of joy. But that's honestly on Kelly, because Kelly's one who brought it to the public. Every time I learn something about these owners in the store, and I see the video, and then I watched his interview, Kelly Clarkson put his endager like, I think you're a bigger loser than I did the minute prior. I literally, like, hate these guys. - Yeah. - Queenie. - Just, like, be kind to your customers. You're not better than anyone. - You're not. - And that was mine as well. So, we're alive. - I love them. We're alive. That is our show. That's our week. Thank you guys so much for listening to The Toast. The Millennium Morning Show. We'd love the fast, fast stories. 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