Kate Berlant

Hello, everyone. And welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We are very excited about our guest today. It is Cape Berlant, comedian, writer, actress. And if you know Kate's work, you are obsessed with her. And if you don't know it that well yet, you're going to become obsessed because Kate is here and we are obsessed with her. And we're going to talk about so many good things today. We are going to talk about, um, well, uh, chimney sweeps. We're going to talk about our obsession with our phone. We're going to talk about how men actually feel about funny women. And we are going to talk about her new comedy special Parmesan, which is on HBO out right now. And it's so good. And I cannot recommend it enough. Before we get talking to Kate, we always do something on our show where we talk to someone who knows our guest has a question to give me about our guest. And we are going to talk to another fellow hilarious performer, writer, actor, John Early. You might know John from Search Party. You might know John from Maddie Secret and the many various hilarious videos and specials that him and Kate have done together. So let's see if we can get John on the phone or the zoom. However, we're talking to you, John. Hi. This episode of Good Hang is presented by PayPal. Brighten up the start to the festive season by getting ahead of the holiday rush. Shop your favorite online stores with PayPal this holiday, like Sephora for gift sets, target for toys and electronics, and tick-tock shop for fashion, apparel and gadgets. Check out with the flexibility to pay now or pay later and split your payments with pay in four with no interest, no late fees. Shop now with PayPal. Pay in four subject to approval, learn more at paypal.com/payinfour. Paypal Inc. NMLS 910457. John. Amy. Oh my God. It worked. You know what I never really noticed and I'm noticing right now, how blue those eyes are of yours. That's really sweet. Well, they are. They are blue eyes. I'm kind of far back or you're kind of far back. Are you, you're blue? I'm blue as well. Yeah. Okay. Well, and I just read somewhere that we should be wearing sunglasses all the time. No. Yes. My because it's it's where we're more susceptible to like vision, damage, sun-damaged eye, sun-damaged eyes. Wow. I have 2020. No offense. Bragg. No, I do not. You still have 2020. I still do somehow. That's incredible. Thank you. I do not. I've got reading, I've got glasses for reading and it's going downhill really fast. Kate has reading glasses. You guys could talk about that. John, early, it is really good to see you. It's so good to see you. I'm so star-struck. You're nuts. I am. John, right back at you. You know, we were watching, we were rewatching Vicki with a V and Maddie Secret before we got on and we were, we were saying like there's certain people when they, when they portray female characters that it feels like aggressive. Yeah. And you they're working through something. They're working through something. And I clearly am too. Well, we all are. It's maybe it's maybe more coming from some sort of childlike longing and not necessarily an aggression. No, it feels very nice. It feels like it feels very like it just makes me feel nice and safe. It does make me feel weird. Oh my god, thank God. For people that don't know, you and Kate have created so many works of art together. And you are like partners, but not partners. You do your own separate things always, but when you come together, there's like the special language. Like there's a comedy language, but it always consists of this very thrilling, deep dive into something. Like it's always really deep and always funny. Thank God. When did you first meet Kate? Let's talk about that origin story. We first met when I was, I guess we were both like 24, which was last year. And we met, okay, we met basically doing our mutual friends comedy show. And you know, I just had never met someone around my age who was as funny as like my idols, you know. Yes, it was so crazy. I always figured, you know, the people around me were all going to be kind of collectively trying to get to that level. We'll spend their whole lives and we'll always fail. You know, always fall short. But I was like, she is just like right there. She's already there. She's like already in a Christopher Gas movie, you know, in my mind. And that night when we were separating, we were just kind of like, we kind of like set our vows to each other. And we were like, we were like, let's have us sleep over tomorrow. And we just like started our friendship the next day. We just like knew. And I went over to her apartment and we just did not separate really until she moved to LA. We spent like almost every single day together, every night together. I would literally run out of clothes. I would run out of underwear. And from spending the night at her apartment so much. And I would just go to CVS and get a pack of hands. And I'd wear the same shirt and pants every day. And I would just run out of hands and go get a new pack. And because you're like, there's no way I'm leaving this apartment. Not going back to my apartment. I refuse. And we and Amy, we slept in the same bed. And we literally and the room was as big as the bed. There was a foot and space on one two sides of the floor. It was tucked into the corner. And we would just we slept like angels. That was the first thing we noticed. It was like, we were like, what is this other worldly sense of comfort we have with each other that we can share a bed? I'm sure you've been asked to explain this, but the stuff that you guys did together, how would you explain that type of comedy? If you were to have to explain the style of it, I can try, but I'd like to hear I'd like to hear what you say. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It is really hard. I mean, obviously one thing that we love to do is like, you know, passive aggression. Yes. You know, we we love it so much. Why do you love it so much? Why do you, why does Kate love is so much? Why do you love it? I mean, I do too, but what do we love about it? Well, I think I think I love it because I come from like the south and which is like a really, you know, you could say the birthplace of suppression. Yes. Like I come from kind of like Protestant world where like that is just in the water. It's just like you don't you don't express your anger. So you, it has to come out another way. I think for Kate, she's a she's been around a lot of authoritative artistic people. And I think maybe that's where it comes from is like people who speak with the kind of like, I mean, avant-garde authority or whatever. It's like that there's a there's a way that that can be incredibly hostile. You know, while even if you're speaking in this very measured academic way, you know, they're like, and so maybe that's where it comes from. Yes. There's like a way in which you guys play around and in her new special. She does in Parmesan, her new special. She does this where you play around with superiority. Yeah. Like that's what you put that coat on and take it off. And of course, the other side of that is inferiority always. Right. It's like, and I think that if we're playing people who, and this is I think actually Kate's specialty is like this, this like the foolishness of like authority. And you know, yeah, that's so well said. I hope so. The certainty part is so real because, especially like in today's culture, like we're surrounded by experts. It's so intense. And I really, I think it's time for Kate to kind of like seize her throne as like the great imitator of those things. She really can like, what's so crazy about working with her is like, I mean, it's like, it's awful for me because it's like, I'm like across from her. I'm like, cool. I have nothing. I'm like, I'm just like, how do I'm always shocked? I'm very sorry, but I disagree. I feel like I'm going to say right here, John, that your volley is, it is like, Agnesian Samperous. I believe they played together. I hope they did. But it is that the back and forth is, it is Federer and Nadal. Excuse me. Well, you'll notice that I'm always, I'm like always screaming. Yeah. Well, louder is funnier. Well, I think she's also, and I'm sure you'll get into it minute one, but you know, she's an only child. - Oh yeah. - And so there's like, there is such a, the only child has to like entertain themselves in the mirror. - Right. - And she comes, you know, artist father, like, you know, she was around these very, at a very young age. I mean, she was like under the table, you know, as like, with all these like kind of very, like genius, LA modern artists, abstract artists, probably having incredibly pretentious, indecisurable, eligible conversations, you know. And so I think she literally learned before she was like even conscious, she learned how to like imitate, just like absorb those sounds and like to, in order to participate because she was bored. - Yes. - So. - Okay, do you have a question for Kate today, anything you think I should ask her? - I have a few that you should pick from. - Okay, great. - Some of them are just, they're kind of inside jokes. - Great. - Perfect. - But I actually think if you get into them, they will be deep. - Fantastic. - They'll be generative. Okay, so one is, do you miss Paris? - Fantastic, do you miss Paris? Perfect question. - One is, do you think you're funny? - Oh, incredible. In Kate's special, she goes deep on this idea that comedy isn't funny and it's incredible. 'Cause I agree. - Yes, it's not funny. And also this is something that we make ourselves laugh very, very hard. We'll just like, it's like suddenly a silence falls. Like there's like a lull in the conversation. I'll be like, do you think you're funny? (laughing) And then we'll try to answer and she'll do it back to me. Like, do you think you're right? And then I'll be like, do you think I'm funny? (laughing) And then we're like, can I be honest? (laughing) It's a favorite, it's a favorite. - Fantastic. - But I do think it's an inside joke, but if you actually ask her something good, come out. - Great. - One is, how are the kids? (laughing) - It's sort of, it's perfect questions. - One is related to this special. So are you gay or what? (laughing) - Yep, but we're gonna get into it. - Hopefully Kate really talks about how she's gay. (laughing) I guess that's the fastest way to put it. - Yep. - Yep. - Okay, great. Are you gay or what? - Final one is shoes on or off. - Shoes on or off? - Like as a host. - These questions are incredible. - And did you get my email about Kate's No Fly Zones? - No. I'm gonna look it long. - Okay, good to know. I'm gonna look at it right now. - Good. - Good, thank you for that. Thank you for that. I didn't have the manager and no one will represent her. So I've taken it on as for doing this special. - Thank you for that. - Yeah, yeah. That's important to see. And thank you for building everything and all caps. I appreciate that. - Thank you. (laughing) - Okay, bye. - Bye, y'all. (upbeat music) - Folks, as we head into fall, we welcome yet another season of change. Changing leaves, refreshed wardrobes, and new routines. But one thing that doesn't need to change, your phone. The smartest upgrade this season isn't a new phone. It's a better wireless plan. Switch to visible, the ultimate wireless hack. 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Like, everyone who comes, you get this huge box of lipsticks. And I'm going, "I'm looking at the colors." And then I asked, and they were like, "Oh, Jennifer Lawrence left those few months back." - Yeah. - And so you've had months of guests who look at that, they go, "I'm fine, I don't need to engage in that." I look at it, I already text it to my mother, my partner, my best friend, I'm like, "We made it." - And I'm taking a home. - Actually, now you have to, because you've touched all of them. - Well, they were on you. It's like, "Well, this is definitely a gift." It's a promotional gift to me. - It is absolutely a gift now. It is you're taking all of those lipsticks home. - Anything free. - Kable land is here. Kade, on the drive over here, I just want to give you, I want to give you a compliment. - I'm going by the way, I receive them well. - I'm not one of these. - Okay, no, I'm like, please. - Okay, okay. - Driving over here, I was filled with Glee, because I was like, "This conversation is going to be so fun, so funny, so deep. I love seeing you and never get to." And like, this is a chance to just actually hang out with you. I loved your special. I watched it last night. - Thank you. - It's so good. - Thank you for watching it. - Thank you. - You're welcome, because I don't always watch all of the things. - Well, I figured I was doing dishes last night and I go, by the way, she's not going to watch it, that's fine. I go, she's so busy. - Sometimes I just, like, you can't get to it. You know, I love you. Couldn't watch it, girl. I would've been like, of course, you have so much to do. The media, that you're, it's too much. - I couldn't wait to watch it and all of us watched it. - Love it. - But more than that, you are this giant brain of unguarded, interesting artist who is also warm and nice. It's hard to find those two things. - Thank you. - Sometimes people are like really nice, but maybe not adventurous in their art. And sometimes people are like really prickly, sharp, interesting artists who maybe don't want to talk. - Yeah. - You, to me, are like the perfect combination of those two things. You talk about things that I am obsessed with. Everything in your special, it's hitting me in such a deep way and I love your work. And you. So, Kate, relate to Sierra. - Okay, bye. - That was all on a prompter, just for people at home. It seems authentic. I saw her and I got, and everything she said. - No, I love you so much. You're, thank you. That's like, I, that's such kind of words. It means so much to me. And I. - Go up with a picture of you on my wall. I mean, it's just really good too. That will, you know what? I told you this. I had the upright citizens brigade manifesto printed out on where the words, where the text gets really, really tiny at the bottom. - Yes. - Like, I'm very white. - We have had the pleasure of being in each other's simulations for a lot of our lives. We have. And like, the topics that you talk about always speak to me, but this latest special is. - Oh, I can't. - Okay. - I wanna start there before we get into the bigger picture of your life because it is so top of mind. And you talk about the things that I love. Phones. And our love of my, my phone is my best friend. Hair. - No. - I talk about hair. - Well, I talk about your hair in my mind when I watch it. - Yeah, I told it. Thank you. - You don't talk about hair, but I wanna talk about your hair. It is. - I got a haircut three days ago. Can we leave it? - The one that cuts my hair. - That is you with the haircut? - Go on, Fairfax. Go get her. She goes a few times, I go, she didn't cut like an inch, just an inch. She goes, I want extreme length for you. And those words, I want extreme length for you. I want extreme length for you. And now people, it's extreme length. I'm not gonna go, I'm not going waste. - I noticed that your hair was longer than usual. And I was thrilled by it. I love extreme length for you. - Okay, thank you. - Also, you talk about the hell of being a woman and how you, you know, rather have it no other way, basically, like the combo of like what we are, what we are always negotiating with and that we wouldn't trade it for anything. Like that's what it feels like when I hear your work. - Yeah. - And so for people who are maybe getting to know Kate for the first time on this podcast, Kate, is it? - Coming in the actress. And artist and she has a new special on HBO called Parmesan. And I would, I would, if you don't mind. - I forgot. - The last thing that I don't even bother tuning in. - I mean, but why is it called Parmesan? - Why is it called Parmesan? So, you know, you hear this thing, people go, oh, here's a temp title. I'm not gonna call it Parmesan, that would be insane. And it's one of those things that just, I, it was just, it was making me laugh 'cause it was just so ridiculous and stupid. And I think like, I was talking to Chelsea Peretti and she was like, oh, you're doing a special. What's it called? I said Parmesan and she's laughing. And I was like, okay, 'cause it, it's just so deeply un-serious and ridiculous and what could that possibly relate to? And by the way, the special isn't about food in any way. - Even though you love to talk about food and you love restaurants. - I mentioned restaurants, but, but no. Parmesan, if when you watch the special, you'll see it does reference a joke in the special. - And not to spoil the joke, but it's about this idea of what we comment on. What draws us to comment as people on social media and on our phones, like what we think is a way in which we're gonna connect with what we're reading and the existential dilemma of that. - Yeah. - Can you talk a little bit about how addicted you are to your phone because I am too and I genuinely, genuinely genuinely am. - I relapsed so hard. >> Do you have work a program? >> By the way, I have gone. to ITAA meetings, internet technology addiction, I don't know if it's possible to say that. Um, I actually would, you know, they're close to, save a seat for me as they like to say. No, I've done the zooms twice, but still, I was still, I shared, but I like, we do need help because we are in the fight for our lives. Yes. And it's the kind of thing that it's become, it's like the weather, it's like the thing that we're just in and it kind of feels like why bring it up, why talk about it, but I can, you know, I've gone on, I was, I had six weeks of sobriety. I did a six-week cleanse, nothing. I've done, I've done a month a few times. Okay, can you just step me through this? What do you mean by nothing? Okay, so, nothing. Me in a room. No, so what it is is by nothing. I mean, no social media whatsoever. Sure. So I still have email and I'm still texting 24/7 and doing anything else. But no scrolling. No scrolling. And no, yeah, and not looking at Instagram reels and talking to me and not posting anything. And of that, yes. And the six-week was really good, and I said I go, I'm not going back this time. I was telling everyone, I was like, no, I'm out, yeah, no, I'm out, I'm out, and I am right back. And like last night, I found myself, I was like, God, home late. And I was like, if I had a long day of working, you know what, I'm going to unwind, look, curl up on the couch. And I, and I'm, and that's the moment when it becomes infused with this feeling of rest, like this is rest and it's not. It's actually chipping away in the digital labor minds. And so, you know, and I'm like, yes. And so, I mean, I have it in the bath now. Of course, I have. Of course. Because I was doing baths, no phone. And I go, baths, no phone. And suddenly it's 1904, and I'm a novelist. And it's like, and by the way, when you go off your phone, I have found three weeks of no scrolling. Memories. I'm driving childhood memories. Like it's unbelievable. I'm like, I'm back in the kitchen. I'm 10 years old. And the father comes in like, it's like, my brain is like, thank you. It's opening up and it's flooding me with images. And it's like, you just start to think again. And you start to be more intimate with your life. And that's the thing that's the most devastating. And we can talk about, of course, the, the, you know, this, the horror machine of this and like the fascistic machine of it and all of that. But then just on the base level, like, on a personal psychological level, like you've lost all intimacy with yourself. And like, that's the, that's the, the, the crisis of it. It's just so devastating. And once you get a little bit of that intimacy, you're like, all right, no, this is actually, this is really medicinal. I mean, this is why I love talking to you. You can, we can go deep and so fast. And then you also have jokes. Okay, me, um, another thing that chilled me to the bone and made me laugh out loud, um, while I was listening to the, your special on my phone. I watched it on my phone. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Is, um, the idea about how men say they want to be with funny women, but they hate funny women. Let's go there. It is, like, it, it's giving me a flush right now, actually, I think about it. It was so funny. Now, the idea, the sentiment of like, funny women being a threat isn't necessarily a new one. Of course. But the way in which you present this idea, which is, let me just for a minute, trouble this and, and, and present what men actually want. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think in your way that is? Like, can we talk about that for a second? How did you come up with it? It's just a lifetime of being funny. Well, I can actually tell you. So I, there's this, like, central memory, which I've been like a hammer and a goof since I was like a baby, right? But I remember, so I went to an all-girl school and I am strong. If my girls are going to single sex. Okay. You got to separate the girls like single sex. Do you like me? What do you think, Sweetie? Yeah. Yeah. And I never free again. Graduated and was never free. Yeah. No, I, I, like, thank God. And I started comedy. I did stand up for the first time when I was 17 at my high school. I was like in the basement of your high school. Yeah. So, but anyway, but so I was always, of course, you know, the class count, all of that. And then I, one day after school, I was 14, 15, maybe 15, after school with a really cool and like a cool guy, like after school, there's like two cool guys in the room, a drum kit, this name to Neil Young Harvest. Like, what's this? It's because, like, doing that with my friend who's a gorgeous, like, pack-sun model, you know, like, truly. And she's over there. And I'm here like, like, talking to the guys. Yeah. And this guy who was like the really popular cool guy, he was laughing and he was like, God, you know, you're really funny. I was like, he was like, you should be careful, though, guys don't like funny girls because it reminds them too much of other guys. I remember I was leaning against the wall. I was sitting on the bed like this, leaning against the wall. And it was like, by the way, thank you for the truth. I was going to say that, I'm gonna say that's an unbelievable gift. There it is. There it is. And he was not wrong. I heard it, it went in. And I went, yeah, I'm going to carry this weight for the rest of my life. And it, and it was like, it's really, so yeah, I've been kind of like teasing that out. Yes. Well, because also there's the bigger thing also behind it is there's obviously like to be funny is to be a little embarrassing. And men hate being embarrassed. And I was like this. Everyone's like, why it's like, no, it's because you're going good, good, good. It's like, that's why they're not kissing you. It's like, but it's like, it's manifold. And by the way, I want to just say it's a clear the record. Of course, there are guys who like, yeah, of course, I've dated them. You've dated. We've all, have we? Of course, things. It's like, this does exist. It's true. It's like, if you're doing comedy, era, you know, it's a historically masculine role, you know, in society, whatever, it just creates this like rupture. It's like a weird like gender performance thing that people are like, yes, it's, it's, it's, yes, rupture, exactly right. Divine rupture, I might argue, it's divine. One that's needed in our culture. There's people who were voted class clown women. And in my school, the class clowns that were women were like bad, bad girls. You know, it's funny. So I was a good girl in a sense that I slept at the foot of my parents' bed, you know, my entire life emotionally. I was at the foot. And so I was like a good girl, like, love school. Loved my friends. I was like, teacher, teacher, you know, like I, you know, but I did have a little bit of like the, the mischievous like, okay, I, so a bit of a prankster, but never let pranks never hurt anyone. But I'm recalling live, which is amazing because on the drive here, I go, what are the stories? What's my life? There's nothing. And then I'm going, it's coming up. I'm having memories. Okay. So like something that I used to do was, you know, like the big drop down, this is, I could be arrested for this, actually. The big drop down maps, like at school of the world in America. So my little thing that I did is like, I'm going to steal those for my, for my bedroom. So I, so I would jump up, unscrew them and walk out. And if you're walking, if you're 16 and you're walking with the, the map of the world out of the class, they go, oh, well, she's supposed to do that. Obviously. So when I move that to the basement or whatever. So I really got my rocks off doing that. And I do have a bit of a klepto. I've squashed it. I, but I also have a bit of a klepto. Well, I mean, women and stealing and kleptomania is very interesting and very, and because in a world where we feel like, you know, we've been stolen from. I love what we've said about makeup, how you feel that women should be able to steal. Well, safely and from big, you know, not on pause, but from the big guys. Take a little blush. Take a little. Yeah. Yeah. You're, oh, that blush. Because the blush is mandatory. Yeah. Right. And nobody's paying for it. Yeah. The government is not paying for our blush. I want to blush. That's to be free. And then you also speak about the difference between dating men and dating women. Because in the special, you, uh, congratulations. You are gay. Now, congrats to Amy. Confusing me. Okay. I say gay is a shorthand because a lot of people now, you know, bisexual, you know, bisexual, a femalox, and they go, oh, what? You kissed the girl on the eighth grade, right? I'm going, no, I'm living that life, actually. Right. Yeah. I mean, this is so fun. Because I talk about some special, like, you genuinely obsessed with sexuality, my sexuality. And it's like, I also think there's this, like, I grew up with this narrative of like, if you, you know, come out later in life, it's because you had this secret and you were like, jerking off in private, and you're like, no, no, no. You know what I mean? It's like, that's not what my life was at all. Yes. Like, I just was like, always with men, I fell in love with a woman. This like other, like, room opened. And I was like, oh, yes. And then of course, and then I reflect back and I go, oh, my God. And so then I can be like, whoa, wait, so was it always? I was like, my obsession with my PE teacher and, you know, fourth grade. I'm like, what's that? She was gay. Yeah. Now, but like, I go back and so, but I guess I'm less interested in like locking in to a certain category, mostly because I think what's interesting is like failing. And what's funny is like, failing within those categories. Like, I'm a failed straight woman for sure. Yes. But I'm still like, I love the mall. And I love the beautiful, you know, like, it's like, like, so what? But then, but I would, like, I'm also like a failed gay woman. Right. If I may, the thing you said, which I have never heard articulated, which, and that's why it was so incredible because you're, you're straight because you've kind of lived in both worlds. Hot, hot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because lived in both worlds, the perspective of from kind of being like on the other side looking almost like back at what was like a way of living, and the realization that you came to, which is just again, the comedic realization, but like all of your stuff steeped in such truth, is that heterosexual relationships between men and women kind of are often helpful to women who don't want to be seen. And it is. It is. That's what fascinated me because I was like, and by the way, I've had beautiful relationships with men, but it's like, it's really fascinating to, I did when I kind of started to like be in like gay relationships, I was like, oh, like, are, I truly was like, okay, are all women, I believe that women exist, but is that all people listening Kate made a face? But and I was like, but is that also just their way of being left alone in a way? And I was like, and there's validity to that. And like, obviously, I'm also speaking like everyone relax, okay, I know there's straight people that are in love and they're screaming, laughing, ever, but, but there is, there is a inherent distance. There's always distance between people, even queer relationships, of course, but there is this like, there's this deep distance between men and women and I. And also, I think it's hard when you're Canadian, you're a class clown, you're an actor, I can really love the performance of being a femininity and god bless. And I metrocut to masculinity. I love that performance. So I think there's something, there's something that is always strange when it's only when people don't know they're performing, but it starts to get scary. That's exactly right. Like it was one of my questions I wanted to ask you, which is, you're very good at this. And we work with a lot of people that are good at this, which is we can mirror what people want us to be like, or like, we can just get in there and just be like, I'm this person. And the question for you is like, I think the part of like growing up and figuring yourself out is knowing like, that's actually expensive. Like it takes something. Yeah. Oh, the way the full performances I'm doing in case someone sees, I was just talking about this on my podcast, Pooge, but like airplanes are really places where these performances and gender really comes pronounced. So like the other day, I was getting on to a plane and I had a carry on luggage to put over ahead. And there was a guy right opposite. And and I kind of did this thing and he was like, Oh, like, do I help with that? Whatever. I was like, yeah, do mine. Sorry. You know, whatever. And then he lifted it up. And then I said to him, I don't know why I go, I have a shoulder thing I'm trying to not aggravate. And you made that up. So yeah, completely, completely fake. And then I found myself going, Oh, shit, now I have to kind of like do this shoulder injury. I had another bag, a lighter bag to lift up. And so I kind of lifted it up, but it kind of like, like I, I tried to overcompensate, you know, and by the way, he very well is buried buried in a book. He's not even looking. But I'm locked into the performance less to glance over. And then when we landed six hours later, I go time to get the show back on the road. And then I was doing kind of, you know, kind of for who? For who? Who is watching? I know. It's not to kind of think they're watching. Well, you know who's watching? I'm watching. Like that's the thing is like, the idea that like who are we? Like what self is the real self is a non-stop delightful journey for me? It's absolutely endless. And it's like, this is, and this is where all is also sex. Very, I said it's someone that's first time it's mentioned here. It's like, like, and that's why I think honestly, class clowns, and this is where it can get harder. Funny on funny, two class clowns in bed. It can get complicated. You're right. Like that's just something like, Oh, God, I don't know. Yeah. You kind of need someone to go stop it. Like, yeah, no, you need someone to be like, like, unself consciously. Yes. Like, like, because I do, like, it's complicated. I'm obsessed with your relationship to your own body on stage. Because like, to be looked at is already so intense. And the way you use your body to like ground yourself in performance is so interesting for me to watch. You like, like a dancer, I can feel the way that you when, I don't know, when it feels like you regulate your thoughts or anxiety or emotions by the way you move. No, I'm laughing. I love it because I've never had no one's ever seen me before. So thank you for the first time life. But, um, no, but, but it is actually your right. I've never, no one's ever said that or put that, no one's ever put this to me in these terms, but it is how I self-regulate. Like, there it is. Like, even like, it's like, it's like, that is. Yes. No, you are correct. And like, I, you know, love physical comedians. Like, oh, that's always what gets me. And like, I've made crazy faces. I can't stop help. You know, but, but that is how I get back inside my body, I think. Yeah, made me think about my own stuff. Me doing tech. It's like, oh, God, no. But yeah, yeah, it made me think about like, like, like, I, I just did it now. Like, my own laughing. Like, I love to laugh. And everyone's like, I love to laugh. And laughing is so good for us. And also laughing for me is expelling anxiety. Like, it is a way to just like, get shake out whatever is the feeling that I'm having. And anytime dancing is the same way for me. But it takes me so long to realize that that is why I'm doing something. Because I think, especially if you're like, in the comedy world or you're like a big finger, like, you're, you're just like, our brain, we just, I use, I'm like, brain forward a lot. And I have to remind myself, I have a body. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This. No, no, no, no. Okay. Um, anesthesia culture, you talk. Yeah, I talk about anesthesia culture. Look it up if you have to educate yourself now. So funny you guys. Fuck, I can't give away the joke. But please watch it. But why you talk about this idea that when we're under and we come to how cocky the people are that we're awake. It's a, we can talk about. We can talk about it. It's so funny. But I talk about, um, kind of going, not enjoying going under anesthesia because I don't like waking up. And the idea that everyone in the room is like laughing at you that you've been asleep the whole time. Like, it's like, if you're a performer, it's like, you have to go under to go off. Like, but it's like, because it's like, I'm sure you're like me where it's like, oh, I can turn off. Of course, like, comedians want to get serious. Like, we're like, but the only time you're free. By the way, I'm hamming it up as I was going under. I remember this. The guy was, I had my anesthesia out. I'm like, I'm like, God, you look like Griffin done. I was going so hard. I'm nervous. Of course. I'm in a medical situation. So I have a lot of medical anxiety. This is going to be, this is going to be the next special because I just got like a completely unnecessary angiogram. Oh, I actually, I mean, we were talking about this forever because you, I'm obsessed with this idea that we are now giving ourselves too much information that's making us very stressed. Oh, of course. Yes. And so you, you had an angiogram. I went a little hard on my neck with a high zoo Instagram. Yeah, Instagram advertised to me this neck massage where I go, sure, bought it. Yes. And then I was going really, really hard and I go, oh, it's a little too hard, too hard there. And then I start looking up and I go, oh, well, then, you know, the veins, the arteries here, you want to be really careful. I go with the arteries and the neck. Oh, God. And then I texted, yeah, texted my doctor. And she really regrets the day she gave me that. And she was like, I'm sure you're fine, whatever. But I'm so, I have that kind of like sensation, anxiety and stuff that I was like, oh, I think something. So then I call theaters as a doctor and they're like, we could, or you a CT scan. I mean, if you want to get an angio, I mean, what's like to go in there and inject you with, you know, your veins with die and the whole thing. And I go, what's insane? So I'm putting it off, putting it off. And then I go, I could do it next week. So then I've been wheeled into the room. And everyone, you know, they're taking the test. And everyone's kind of looking at me because I'm by far the youngest people. And so I think people are kind of going, poor one, like what's going on? What's going on? And so I start going, it's probably not the high zoo. Yeah. Well, hard with the high zoo, let's say. Yeah, it's too much. Let's go to Kate as a child. Okay. I skipped the whole kid thing. Yeah. Yeah, you were born as an adult. No, 30. Um, were you as a little, little Kate in LA in Los Angeles, artist parents, much was really hard. Yeah. The rough side of Santa Monica. I was going to say you were in Santa Monica. Yeah. Not in the industry. They're not in the industry. Let's just get that out. What kind of artists are they? So my dad works in metal collage. It was funny. I was, this was a huge tree a few years ago. There was like a Newark magazine piece about NEPO babies. And they, and my face was in it next to like, like, Charlemagne. I was like, I'm famous. I'm like, what is this? And it was like, daughter of a sculptor. You know, I was like, trust me, doll. How's it got me work? And then like, my mom did prop design. And she did make the Stonehenge prop in spinal top famously. So, and that was also there, cited as nepotism. And I go, guys, a little bit of a stretch. It's a little bit of a stretch. But my mom, my mom was a stay at home mom if we can even say that now, right? They're taking that away. But you know, - A debut creative person. - Did you grow up with in her news? - Did you grow up with artists around the house chatting about art? - Yes, that's all, I'm an only child. My parents' friends did not have kids. So it really was like me at the dining room table with the adults being like, "All right, so I'm gonna say too." And I think that was intensely informative. - And did you feel like, I mean, I'm sure you've spoken about it a lot. You might have talked about it in your specials, but what is the only child dilemma? What is the best, or is there one? Is there one? What's the good and bad thing about being an only child? - I don't know. I mean, having siblings, I don't know. I don't really like sharing my mommy. I don't think so, Amy. Number one, please. - Yeah. So sharing my mommy would have been hard, but I think, as you age, you go, "Oh, it would be helpful." But then also, you never know what you're gonna get. I mean, people ask siblings and it's like they're helpful when she's falling apart. So you're sibling relationship is often the longest relationship in your life, which I, and I was like, "Whoa." I read that and I was like, "Wow." 'Cause that is, they, you know, like-- - Don't complicate it with sex. - Okay, if you can remember. 'Cause that's the thing, the real thing. - Don't shit where you eat. - Guys, guys, if you could take away one thing from Kate. So you're like this, like, precocious kid in a way, where you, did you feel older than you were when you were a kid? - But I think I'm watching, I think so much of what I, like through mimicry, like, I remember when I saw Aaron Brockovich, I started doing my homework in heels, you know, like. (laughing) For real, and I was like, yeah, I'm into this. - Yeah. - And so I think that watching movies, watching people, like, be smart or sound smart is kind of like, yeah, I'm gonna kind of just, like, take that. - Okay, and then you did some crazy early jobs. And is it true that you were a voice actor in Texas for a call-in radio show? - Oh my God, yeah, okay, so so-- - I don't know where I got hooked up with this, but it was a thing where you would do, like, so for call-in radio shows, where they're like, morning radio, where they're like, yeah, so we got here, Guy and a girl went on a first date. The girl, let's just say she doesn't have a face. - So whatever. - Yeah, yeah. - So it's like, these, and then, but they're being presented as real. So I would play. And they go like, okay, so we have her on the line. She has no idea that we're listening in. So we're just gonna call, so I would pretend to be the person. She's like, hello, you know, and I did, I think, like, one, and yeah, it was like, and then the casting, whenever she's like, you're good at this. - Yeah. - She's like, you're good at this. 'Cause there's one more I had to pretend to be crying. It's devastating. It was like, they're humiliating this woman on air. And I have to be like, wait, what? I'm on the radio. No, like, really sad. I mean, that was what send up. Okay, I was doing it when it was grounded. I was lower-liney with the, yeah, of course. - Yeah, of course. - But, of course. But yeah, I did that a few times. And I think I'd get paid, I mean, I think I'd, you know, I would get paid like 75 bucks or something, I don't know. But it was, I'd have to wake up like 4 a.m. 'Cause I was like, the time to call you. - So they call me and I'd like, wake up at a desk. I'd be like, oh my god, no, yeah, whatever. - That's so interesting. - And then, I slept through one. - Oh, you missed your call. - They were like, we need you Dallas radio 7 a.m. Who knows where I was. I woke up, I saw the miss calls. Fire, never again. I get it. - Yeah, they got to be ready. - They got to be ready. 'Cause the radio, yeah. - So they had to, on their side, they had to improvise. Like, oh, we can't get a hold of her. They must have been curious. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - I mean, there is hell, half no fury, like a radio DJ. - They have to, the segment suffers and they can never bring you back. - And, you know, we cannot talk about like your early, early career, like, starting out without talking about John Early, speaking of early. Because John Early and you, let's talk about John for a second. Because the way you guys interact together, scratches a comedic itch for so many people. Why do you think that is? What is it that? - Amazing sex. - Yeah, yes. - When you can connect on that somatic level with someone, it can't help but reflect in the work. - Yeah. - John, you know, it's like, it is like, you know, one of the great loves of my life. John Early, like, we did, we are, we, like, met in this very, like, whirlwind, like, romantic way where it was like, we met and then in a very lesbian fashion, like, we're inseparable and he slept in my bed for like three years. - Right. - And I was like, why can't I get a man? (laughing) I was like, see? It's hard, it's different for me. - Yeah, yeah. - And John, we met, yeah, we met on set of a friend short film. And we had like, he'd message me on Facebook or something and I was like, who's this? And then I watched a video of his and I was like, oh, he's really funny. - We were trying to break it down today because we're such fans of your work alone, of course, and with John, and with John, I'm not like the biggest, I get a little stressed when people come at each other pretty hard, like, in comedy. Like, I'm not a big roast fan. Like, but the way you two gently knife each other and the stuff that you do is like, fascinating to watch. - I think it's funny for us because we don't, similarly, I don't want to be roasted or ever roasted, you know? And like, John is, you know, like from the south and like, John's the last, like, so I think our, like, that's a place for us to like, go there. - Yes. - Right, very much behind this, like, character mask, of course. But, yeah, I don't know why. It's funny because we are, like, there's been times or over the years we've been like, but we're not mean. Like, people are like, you guys are vicious. Like, and it's like, no, it's not, like, that's not what it is. - No, it's not. - I mean, I don't, I don't know exactly. - And it feels like there's like some border around it that's surface level, which is always so funny when people are not acting the way they're feeling. It's just like inherently funny. - Well, I think that's exactly what it is. And like, we just like, the failed performance to say it again. Like, when people think that they're covering, and they're not, and when people are using the social niceties to cover. (laughing) And like, that is just heaven. - It's heaven, you too. Like, when someone is angry and they are like, trying to conduct a meeting or something is heaven. How are you with conflict? What's your complex style? - What do you mean? (laughing) - Conflict. - So I can say the word again, conflict. - Sorry, I missed it. Like, when something like that happens, do you get failed? I get filled with a little bit of excitement. - Adrenaline. Oh, you mean like to, well, conflict is getting-- - Conflict is getting people to fight through the, my favorite thing in the world is screaming fire on the street, safely watching from the window. (laughing) That and my heart's being through my chest. - Yeah, totally. Do you have a direct conflict style? Do you feel like, what, when you're angry about something, what does it look like? - It's a really interesting question that my therapist should be asking me and she's not. So there's an issue there that we'll explore later. - Yeah, it should be on her. - Maybe I withdraw. - I'm wondering. - I'm probably going to go with withdraw. - Yeah. (laughing) - Gun to my head with withdraw. - Withdraw, for a hundred. - No, I think, I've talked about it a lot, so I won't get into it. But like, I had a really upsetting incident with a chimney sweep a couple of years ago. (laughing) I'll just say quickly. - Just say quickly. - He came into my home, came into my home, doing a chimney sweep. I go, I go, oh, he has like no drop cloths. I go, okay, so now I'm getting into the forensic details. But I was like, white couch, white thing. I just moved in. I go, oh, do you have like, and this is, this is farming. Do you have like drop cloths or anything? And he kind of like laughs. He's like, I'm fine. And I go, okay, he's a chimney sweep. I'm gonna come here. He knows how to do his job. - Yeah. - God forbid. So I go, okay, I'm gonna let you, I go into it. I come back, Amy. - Oh no, sit on the white couch, sit on the curtains. In the hallway, I go like this, there's, and I'm like, there's sitting in the home, and he kind of the thing, like, I mean, gaslight city. - By the way, and here's where I, here's, I, I paid. So not full, 'cause I'm in there in the kitchen thing. And then I go, I can't pay a full price. I get the boss on the phone. That was the whole thing. He goes, maybe your house was dirty. - Yeah. - And you're basically being held hostage to you, like, you have to pay because you want him out of your house. - Yeah, I want the chimney sweep gone. And so sad, 'cause I had an amazing chimney sweep earlier, years before I couldn't find his number. And he had job clause, and he had respect. - Yes. - And so, but I, I'll just say that night went to bed, literally permanent TMJ, like, one night of clenching from the chimney sweep, and that, years later, so I should be going to court. And the tension on this job, it's about to face down. - Okay, so the tension on this side, so I'm losing work. - Okay. - From that. - So, one night, so that wasn't, that wasn't an experience where I could have gone harder in the moment, I didn't, 'cause I was just, like, kind of panicked and sad by what happens. - Okay, but let's break down. You also didn't go harder in the moment because you've got somebody in your house. - Yeah, totally. - It's not a safe situation, man. It's a man in your house, for real. - Yeah. - And all of a sudden, I wanted a husband, I go, Eric, you know, like, that's when you, that's when you want somebody. - Yeah. - You want to call for Eric, 'cause Eric comes down from his study, and he's like, "Hey, man." - Yeah, no, exactly. And I go, and I go. - Yeah. - And I walk away. - And they get to have it out. - And you can hear Eric yelling a little bit. - Uh-huh. - And you get, like, like, like, Eric's getting a BJ tonight. - Yeah. - Exactly. - Yeah. - So that dynamic's fun. And I get that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Okay, so John Early, we spoke to him before this podcast because we always speak to somebody who knows our guests and John gave us some amazing questions for you. Oh my god, okay. So here we go. John wants to know a couple things. Okay. Do you miss Paris? Yes. Okay. John wants to know, do you think you're funny? Yes. Okay. Um, John wants to know how are the kids? Amazing. Good. It's just, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're really fun age. Yeah. Just right around that area where you go. They're, they're, they're them, but they're you, and it's you, but you do know how old they are, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Forish. Forish. Yeah. Um, John wants to know, so are you gay or what? John will do that to me. It's so funny. Like, he'll text me. I don't even go, are you gay? Bye. What is it? Or my favorite thing? Like, I'll be doing a show and John will be like, just remember. I go, this show is broken because you are broken. It's really fun. To me, the love language of comedy people is my favorite thing in the world. He will leave a voicemail for me and he'll be like, it's just so like, like, like, like the, yesterday, so embarrassed. He's, she's promoting her special and she's doing these press appearances and it's just like, oh my god. Meanwhile, you know, HBO, they're not going to release it. I've already been on the phone with them. They're holding it back. And there she's trotting out in her little outfits. And I'll be like, oh my god, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, and he's, he pretends he's calling someone else. Are you pretending to be over it? He's accidentally leaving it on my machine. Oh my god. It's really fun. That to me makes me feel so safe and light. It's really sweet. And then she's on her off. Off. Always. And the home off. So when someone comes to your home, do you say, please take your shoes off. So I have a, I have a small home to quote the handyman who came to the house when I first moved in. And this is direct quote, never have I seen a house so small. And that was the exact deliver, that was the exact language use. I go, wow, that small. I mean, I don't have Eric. I don't have a rich husband. You know, I go, I thought, yeah. Um, and then I'll just say a couple of days later, he returned and he goes, do you have many more things to move into this very small home? And by the way, living when there was no couch, there was nothing. I go, well, yeah, I have to bring in the furniture. And you go, and I go, but there's not that much. And he goes, that's good because it's so small. So because the house is small, I don't have a grand foyer. You know, there's no room for a shoe rack. So we have kind of, like a horrifying pile, a little pile by the front door. So it depends, depending on, yeah, I'll kind of be like, let's take them off. Yeah. If I just, you know, do you put on a house slipper? Oh, yeah. I have multiple house slippers. This is what it, thank you. Another reason why I love you, Kate, is because I know you love things. And you really, and I would say that one of the things that's so amazing about you in Jacqueline on Pugue, which is an incredible podcast and congrats on that the success of that because it's so funny and good. And you guys, for people that don't know, Pugue, like deep dives into products in a way, much like how we're talking today, where Kate and Jacqueline know back a super talented writer performer, they like talk about a red light mask and then somehow get to Dante's inferno very fast. It's very high meets low. Yes. And it's very, you know, we started Pugue in COVID. Yes. And really kind of started as a way Pugue, Goop backwards, get it? Okay. So and kind of as like a wellness beauty podcast, but really also just a way that we could get free stuff, which has been incredible. And so we were like, people will send us these products. And you know, yeah. So, but, but and also kind of this idea of like searching for the right product. And that the, and there's this misconception that you want to find the right product. You actually don't, you want to engage in the search forever. The search is kind of, you know, the ego loves to search and never to find. And we'll just let that sit. Yeah. Three, two, one. And so that constant manic belief that there is this product out there, this person out there, this thing out there, and then you're going to arrive and you're going to be home. You're going to be healed. You're going to be beautiful. It's like, yes, we got on some level. We know that's not coming. But it's really fun to go and try the same to go. I think it's doing something and to have fun, a new lipstick. I'm like, yes, there's pleasure in that. Yes. And so on Pugue, you guys talk about things. And I love listening to it because like you, I am in the pursuit for like the platonic best thing for the thing. Like as if my life is going to get smaller and simpler. If I just get the right thing, but I do want to know what shoe you bought for your house shoe. So this is kind of cheating because it is, it was a gift. Okay. But I'm going to go with a classic hug. Sorry, uh, they find there's so many different kinds of slippers. And I actually, I paid out of pocket. I purchased the ultra mini, um, boot that's like under the ankle almost. Okay. Yes. Um, this, uh, kind of like have a fur lining. Yeah. Okay. So by the way, even today, 140 degrees, getting into the boot first thing, you are. You have to keep your feet warm. How do you feel about air conditioning? Like, are you an AC person? Do you keep it cool? Blast it down. Me too. Yeah. I mean, I really, last night, I was because I sleep naked. Guys, this isn't about that. I'm going to talk about my work, but I now want an eight sleep. And hi, I'm here on this podcast. Hey, eight sleep boards. Yeah. Now's the time. Send them now. If that, if this doesn't get me an eight sleep, if this doesn't get me an eight sleep, please get Kate an eight sleep. And so I'm going to end our talk today. No, no, no, I know, I know. But I, you have a lot of incredible takes on things. Oh, so I want to get your thoughts on things. They don't have to be funny. They can be whatever they, they can be, it can be whatever you want. The moon. Fake. Like again. Yeah. Every night. Every night. I just want to see. Yeah. Something different from it. Yeah. I mean, it just change every night. I mean, it gets in the same way. Do it. I mean, people change in the same way. You go, and I do in this thing. I do that thing. You're concealing this part. You're concealing that part. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm right here in the open. No, you're not going to be gone tomorrow. Psychics. I believe there are gifted psychics. Like I people are tapped in. Do you believe you have any psychic abilities? Yeah. You do for real. Yes. Say me. Did I predict anything? Yes. What? Can't get into it. Okay. No, I think we all, you know, psycho. We all have. I don't feel like I have psychic abilities. I have. I can read people and I can, I feel like I am pretty good at noticing energies, but I don't feel like I have a psychic ability to figure out that out. But I've had some some interesting instances, but again, on my phone all day. So I'm blocking all that out. Yeah. Okay. What about ghosts? Have you seen any ever? Yes. Yes. Because I was okay. You've told me ghosts. So people, you look at me long hair, you know, oh, who's this? You know, which she's psychic. Yes. I'm actually typically not. I don't, I don't like karaoke, for example. People think things about me. Okay. So, um, and I, um, I was told not to talk about it because then they, they, they take it as a way to kind of come in. But I swear to God, last couple years, you have to talk to my friend Rachel Dresch because she does, she is really into woo-woo and she kind of collects woo-woo stories. I've had some, I've had some, like, um, I've always been scared of ghosts. And then the last couple of years, I've seen a few. And actually some situations I would think would really scare me. No fear what, so ever completely fine. I've had two upsetting experiences that really freaked me out. Okay. So I kind of went to someone and went, it's close at the door. I kind of wish I could see a ghost. I have not seen a ghost. And I, I just, they just do not fuck with me ghost. I, you know, on it, I don't think I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So some, you know, some people I would like to come through and I'm interested in that. But, um, maybe not. But, okay. Once you've had a couple of bad ones, you go, yeah. I'll just say I've, I've got some special figurines on my night stand lately. Some crystals. I was given some figurines. Okay. Because I go, I want to see that one anymore. Yeah. And they were like, for $29.99, I can give you. I know. Truly. The amount of people, friends I've had that have been like, and she said the for $500, she could lift the curse. I'm like, oh, no. I mean, people, they really, let's, let's lift the curse for free. How about we try that? How curses can and should be lifted for free. Yeah. Like, makeup and tampons. Los Angeles. I'm from LA. I lived in New York for 10 years. I'm there all a time. But I think the, you know, people love talk shit on LA. And even this comment, you know, even this feels cliche when I'm when I'm dropping into, right? I've kind of like, people I talk about. But I, um, I love Los Angeles. You know, she can be a cruel mistress, but to me, it's, it's Hollywood. It's dreams. It's, it's, it's images. It's lizards. It's cactus. It's a, it's a palm tree half on fire. Yeah. It's, it's all of, yeah. Yeah. There's something brutally solitary about Los Angeles. I love New York so much. So many times I go back to New York. And I'm like, I've ruined my life by not living here. I'd be a better artist. I'd be more connected to, to people, to strangers. Like, I, I, I really long for strangers and for those like interaction. that really feeds me on a deep level and I am sad that NLA is harder to get those interactions. But I think, I don't know, LA is, it's strange. Yes. And it can make you feel, I remember after living in New York coming back to LA and being like, well, I've never felt uglier, more exposed, more alone, driving in the car, looking in the mirror, like, you're like, who is that? It's so bright. It's so bright. There's nowhere to hide and yet it only hides you. I don't know, but you love her. Come on. Seeing those hills speckled with homes lit up at night, drive down Hollywood Boulevard. It's a man with a machete outside the man's Chinese. We're dreaming. We create the dreams. This town creates the fantasies that drive the world. And what's making you laugh? My last question to you, like, what do you do to laugh? And you can't say your friends. Just go watch people fall down at the supermarket. What makes me laugh is non-performers performing. Like, I've been to a couple, weddings, a couple, like, those kinds of environments where someone who's not a performer is giving a speech. Yes. That is exquisite. And let's talk through that because I know you mean, and I bet you're the same, like, as women, like our mirror neurons, we don't want anyone to be humiliated. No, of course. Of course. And it's sweet. And it's scary up there. I'm a performer. I'm scared up there. Yes. But when it's, like, a little bit awkward, but fun, but what do you, what, what makes you laugh? Like, what, what do you, what's your, you're like, perfect version of that? I think what's so fascinating about wedding speeches is there's like this template. And people are like, like, this is something I've talked about with John. So, classically, the bridesmaid speech, you're the bride, right? You're this? You're funny. It's not, it's him. It's listing things. And in the vows, too, it's usually, you're fine. You're fine. You're fine. And you're fine. Well, they're like, I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have. You're always having a hat. It's like so shocking. It's like this rehearsed. And there's a beauty in that. Like, this is the structure we can all fall into and collapse into this familiar language. And everyone knows exactly what's gonna happen. And, but it's like, that's funny. Yes. Like that, that's, that's really, and again, the listing traits. Yes. It's always listing traits. It's so funny. You're goofy. You're smart. You're kind. And you're generous. Listing traits. We have to go beyond the list. Yes. But breaking out of that is, but I understand too. I'm not admonishing the list. I get it. You're right. That's, you could hear that language. You could hear that rhythm. It's really there. Yeah. Yeah. I totally, I love a wedding. If it's a bad wedding, I'm like, oh, I love it. Like, you know, if everyone, if there's like a clumsy speech or people are stressed or the wrong person cries or the X is there and it's awkward, I'm like, oh, my God, what theater. And if it's beautiful and full of love, I'm like, amazing. I love that too. I love a wedding. And I just, I love parties so much. And I'm very like planner. Like, if I didn't, if I didn't do what I do, I think I'd be like party planner. I've never, I've never, yeah. Maybe. We tell you. Professor slash party planner. Yeah. But what parties make me a little stress, they're very unstructured. No, tell it. Well, so I go, okay, my God, the apps, like bring out the apps now, you know, I was actually at a wedding recently. Nice one. At broken glass bleeding on my mouth. Ran to the bathroom as blood. I spit out in the ceviche glass. So I go back, I go, I go in, I don't tell anyone. I'm not going to ruin this wedding. Of course I go into the kitchen through the doors, into the metal doors. I go, guys, the ceviche trace, you got to pull them. You got to pull them. There's glass, you know, and I quietly, oh, quietly, you want to put out those fires. And all micro, like, I definitely have like, can have a white knuckle grip. Like, I love to have a dinner party or something. Yeah. And I love to spend the days awake, you know, the nights before. It's not as simple. It's the effortless host is a lie. I think it's real. Some people actually can do that. But like, I'm like shaking. Yeah. But there's things you can't control. You can control the party. But that's what over controlled party hell hell for everyone. Hell. So that's the thing. You have to create the structure. We have to let it dissolve. Yeah. You might burn like something's going to burn the like, someone's going to get in a fight. Like wine will be spilled a chimney suite made sure what? Yeah, he might. Yeah, he might. He might give you TMJ. But you keep going. And that is something the second thing we want you to take away from other than having sex with your sibling. Yeah. Don't do it. Guys, don't do it. Don't do it. Cape Rland. I love you. Wait, I love you. So much. You are a hero to me. I have no trouble saying that to you. And also truly going through really hard time recently, whether I pop on wet hot, they came together double feature. Because I'm like, I need something funny. Yeah. I'm thinking, okay, funny movie. What's a funny movie? Oh, it's funny. Nothing's coming up. And then I go, we're going, we're going back to wet with wet hot lives in my DNA and such a, I mean, you must have been a teen when it came out. Yeah. I don't remember when I first saw it. I saw it later. Yeah. But it is the most beautiful. And just, yeah. Thank you, Kate. I love, I love seeing you. And that's just the tip. I'm not going to do your CV. We all know, but I love you. Thank you, Kate. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Caproland. That was so fun. I love talking to you and you're so funny. And it's just a joy to be around you. So, Kate and I talked about a lot of things. One of the things we talked about is how fun it is to watch an awkward wedding speech. But I just want to say, for people that are right now getting ready to give a speech, a wedding speech, just a few tips. Here are my unsolicited tips, which start with a joke and sincere. Don't do it the other way around. Don't start sincere and then think that this hilarious joke is going to kill. Start with a really nice, easy joke upfront. Maybe something about how you're nervous, something self-effacing, and then just get them at the end by being very, very sincere. You can never go wrong. If you're sincere, you can go horribly wrong. If you say the wrong joke. So that would be my unsolicited advice. But congratulations on your wedding and congratulations on being the bridesmaid and remember, take your speech and cut it in half because it's going to go longer than you think. Thank you so much for listening to Good Hang. Thanks for checking in with us and have a good one. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman, and me Amy Poler. The show is produced by the Ringer and PaperKite. For the Ringer production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMollan, Aleia Zeneres, Bridget Kearlings, Paige Garberini, Bell Roman, and Drew Van Steenbergen. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman, Original Music by Amy Miles.