Kamala Harris More Candid Than Ever Before

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That's all that. Did it surprise people around you how much you share? Yes it did. You don't need to wash your chicken. What? It's just important that it's pronounced correctly. That's all I have to say. What's up neighbors? We've got Madam Vice President Kamala Harris pulling up to the house today. I can't even believe that sentence is true. She, of course, is the first woman elected to the office of Vice President and it's her tenacity in her grit that changed the game. Well, now she's bringing us her new book documenting the 107 days she spent campaigning for the highest office in the nation. And I bet she's the kind of house guess that leaves you motivated, inspired, and ready to move. Your history is about to happen at this tape. Oh my goodness, how are you doing? Hi. How are you? Oh, look at you. Just look at you. Yes, love. Yes, come on in. I'm glad to be with you. Oh, I'm glad that you were here. Oh my goodness. How are you doing? I am freaking out. Welcome to the house. Thank you my dear. Oh, so happy to be here. Oh, what a beautiful home you have. Oh, thank you so much. Wait, I brought you some things. What you brought me? You brought me some? So you have, is it a chip drawer or a snack drawer, but I've been watching. Yeah, I didn't see that you had any Doritos. And you cannot have a chip drawer without the original nacho cheese Doritos. You know, you know wrong. You know. And I know you wanted me to feel at home. And that makes me feel at home. No, that's right. I think you do some Doritos in your life. I have not been there. I have a new sponsor. Come on. Come on. Woman-owned business here in California. Yeah. Who does candles? And I used to go and buy candles there. I love Jasmine and Gardina. Yeah. And so when I became Vice President, she created a scent for me. Come on. And so that's what I have a signature scent. And that's what I brought you. So it's like, Jasmine and Gardina. Okay, I'm going to tell you right now. I got to work on my, I got to up less my level. Right. You need a scent. You need a scent. You need a scent. You need a scent. What do you like? What smells do you like? I like frankincense. I like me. I like you know, spicy. Yeah, would see. Would see. Yeah. That's what I like. That's what I like. A cool mellow, but dark. Like a cinnamon, a little bit of cinnamon in there. Yes, clove. Clove and all spicy. You know what I'm saying. Clove. Yes. You're going to see you because you'd be knowing. Uh-huh. Here we go. Here we go. I got a little surprise for you. Because the birdie told me. Ah. Look at these gorgeous fries. The birdie told me you like french fries. Like, I like french fries. I love french fries. Let me tell you how much I love french fries. Okay. I have two friars at home. I have jars of duck fat. So you like a duck fat french fry? I love duck fat french fries. But the other thing that I love to do is I love ketchup with my fries. Okay. But let me tell you what is exquisite. Gravy on your fries. Like poutine. Like gravy, serious, brown, thick, flavorful, gravy. And you just poured on your fries. I'm telling you. It is so good. You've got to have me looking crazy at these restaurants. You've got the gravy over here. I'm telling you, I promise you you have to try it. It does. Like the other day I made a gravy on and made fries and a steak for duck. Yep. He was in heaven. A steak? What cooked well done? Yes. For me. Me too. Well, like me. You said, "Well done, well done, well done." You said, "Well, I want to be able to chew it." Yeah. Right. You got to be able to chew it. Yes. But cooked it. All the way. Like you don't need it like to teeth. No, right. I'm not chewing out. What if it was the SNL skit where she moving the whole table? No, not quite that. But just under that is for me. We did the duck fat. Look at that. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. We did the duck fat fries. Tell me how I did. How we do. I pulled my salt on them. You were going more salt. We can do more salt. But I'm going to tell you what I love about them. The color. Yep. They're crunchy here. Well, sure. They're crunchy and then they're soft on the inside. That's how I like my fries. That's how it's supposed to be. Right. And just this size. Like not like those steak fries. The wedges. And I also chew strings. And they're cute. And they're crunchy. I feel like potato chips. This is a fry. Oh, that's good. You put some rosemary on it, huh? Yeah. A little rosemary, a little. Yeah. That's what I do. A little hint of spicyness. A little hint of tomato. Oh, very good. And they're nice and warm. We do as our day. I'm telling you. Just like this. Mm-hmm. Yeah. A little bit. There you go. We're also making pizza. This particular pizza. Quite controversial. We're going to dig into it in a minute. And it's not a pineapple controversy. It's something else. Oh, my God. It's. It's a whole other thing. It's the controversy actually when it comes to pizza. Pineapple don't even stand a chance. So, I know that cheese pizza with anchovies. Yeah. Is a particular delicacy, perhaps, in your household? It is definitely one of my favorites. How did you-- where would you have-- why? Where were you when you had anchovies on pizza for the first time? It's that I love this. I don't remember my life without that. Really? Let me just tell you why. I'd not like the fresh anchovies. I really am not a big fan of those. But the ones in the tin in a can? Yeah. Because they have, like, umami. Okay. That you don't like anchovies, do you? Yes, is that normal? On a pizza? Yes. Have you tried it ever? You have to cook it in it, though. Like, put it in and then when you bake it. Okay. Put a slice on it. Just put a slice on there. And then, instead of pepperoni, you put a anchovy on there. I do. Okay. Okay. We're going to play a little game and we're going to see how many anchovies end up on this pizza. Go, God. It's okay. You haven't tried it yet. You have to try it. Yeah, I'm going to try it. Maybe. Maybe. We're going to play a game is called Match My Moves. Okay. I know that you also love to host. I do. You are a person that gathers the folks at your place. People love the meals that you cook. Yes, I love to cook. I love to feed people. Is there a meal in particular that you love to make outside of the gravy on the fries? Well, one of my favorites is a roast chicken. Okay. And I start by, I cut up some herbs and garlic and some lemon rind. Okay. And then I put it under the skin of the chicken. And then I stuffed the chicken with some rosemary and some herbs in a couple, like a quarter of a lemon. Yeah. And a whole garlic clove. Yep. The day before I cook it. Oh, which on my brine in? Um, yes. And then I leave it in the fridge uncovered. So the skin can dry. And then I roast it the next day. And the skin is real crispy. And all of that seasoning has now seeped into it. So good. I'm going to tell you right now, somebody is going to make a video with that audio of them doing this. And things give it in there going to be like, it's so good. That's my last president. It's so good. You know what I do turkey differently. Because that's like a lot of rubbing it with butter and all that. You know, cooking, take time with it when you can. Think of it as every phase being fun as opposed to a chore. I think that's the thing about the joy of cooking. I still, on my mac and cheese, I still sneak in a box of Stofers. You do? I put it in the mac and cheese I make. I just put it in the second as a kid. I don't know why I did it as a kid. And I still do it today. And you can read mac and cheese in my house. You've also eaten some Stofers. So wait, you do it after you boil the macaroni? Yeah. So when you're mixing? Yeah. You just pop that in there. You mix it all. With all the cheese in it. Yeah. And then all in everything. Yeah. All right. It's my room. Well, kind of Stofers, like the regular. You know that different kind. Yeah, just the regular kind. Uh-huh. Thank you, Stofers. Okay, so we were playing a little game called Match My Move. Okay. We've got some emojis here. Okay. You know, you might use the flame for something in particular that speaks to you. Okay. I've heard that the flame emoji is one of your favors these days. Now that you have emojis back. Yeah. If I could play my little violin for a moment. I didn't have access to emojis for four years. And then I'll have said, I'm like a toddler on technology. Like, you know, if you ever watch a toddler try to walk. Uh-huh. Is really funny because they're I really try and sometimes, and tech in terms of emojis, like I'm now discovering, discovering. - Right, you for the first time. - It's the right, I'm seeing them. - Have y'all seen Game of Thrones? - I'm just like, and so my family is really, 'cause now I'm starting to like write sentences in emojis. (laughing) - Disciple-nessy, let me know when you hear it. - If you figured out good for you, don't call me about it. - Okay, so we've got, oh no about that. And we've got, yeah, absolutely. - Okay. - And if something speaks to you. - Okay. - And so I'm gonna try to match your mood. For everyone I get wrong, I gotta add a anchovy to my pizza. - Oh. - Yeah. - You don't need to wash your chicken. - What? - No, 'cause all that bacteria will splash all over your sink. If you're cooking the chicken, it'll kill all that. You wanna talk about like with Don, with like this, though. I mean, like just a lemon and a lime. - Well, you can, and it's fine, it won't hurt the chicken. It won't hurt you, but I'm just saying. - No, because you don't really wanna handle a raw chicken too much. - Right. - You don't want all that stuff like all of you can, or all of you, you gotta wash your hands with a lot of soap. You don't want that chicken water from a raw chicken all around your sink. Be careful with that. - I'm just realizing that. I'm taking this chore seriously, and I've also gotta add an anchovy to the pizza. Like I'm already, we are ready after. - Okay. - Day. - It's a common misconception. - That you must. - Right. - It's a nice, you know, if you've got time. - It's a nice thing to do, and that's fine. If you can like do it and then sanitize your sink. - But if you can, you can skip it. - But yeah. - Okay. What about the cook should never clean the dishes? (laughing) We back, y'all, we back. - Doug and I sort of that out. - Yeah? - I cook, he clean. - I know that's right. I know that, I bet he's good at cleaning too. - He really is. - Get it together. - Oh man. (laughing) - Now, let me tell you about, so here, let me tell you a story though about this. So, my uncle Freddie. - Okay. - He was an artist, he lived in Harlem, and he had a basement apartment in Harlem. - Okay. - And we would go to visit Uncle Freddie. And Uncle Freddie had just a small apartment, and he loved to cook. And my uncle Freddie would wash everything he used. If he used a spoon, if he used a bowl, he'd wash it immediately after, 'cause his kitchen could only hold so many pots. And so, the thing in our house is, everybody now talks about, got Uncle Freddie the kitchen. (laughing) - You know what? - I'm with that. - Uncle Freddie the kitchen. - See, here's the thing. I'm often not the cook in the kitchen. - Oh. - I'm also often not the cleaner in the kitchen. - No. - Because I'm not fast enough. - Are you on purpose, slow? - No. No, no, no. (laughing) - Is this a strategy that you is? - That's what I was saying. - No, because when you eat a meal that you've cooked, or that has been prepared for, you've cooked for you, you wanna relax with the meal. You wanna talk afterwards. And you don't wanna rush up from eating, and then get to clean. - Well, that's true. - But at the same time, you don't wanna sit in front of dirty dishes all night. - Well. - Well. - You got two dishwashers. - Well, that's nice. - Get in the dish washer at some point. - I want two dishwashers. - I didn't know. - I aspired to have two dishwashers. - I'm gonna tell you, as a kid growing up, I was the dishwasher. - Yeah, right, right. So that's part of it, right? - That's part of it. When I moved into this house and I saw two dishwashers, I was like, "Now, what in the world?" - That's nice. - Are we gonna do with two dishwashers? And now-- - You're right. You don't have to worry about emptying it, especially if you have people over. - The kitchen really is built to entertain. - I know, you have to synchronize, actually. That's when I have people over. I try to, whatever I'm cooking and all the dishes and then get them in the dishwasher and enough time to empty the dishwasher before everybody comes over. The last thing you want is to have people over and everybody hanging on the kitchen and you got to sink for the dirty dishes. That's not right. - It's not cute. It's really not cute. - That's a bad look. - It just doesn't do anything for the appetite. - Yeah, right. It's a red flag. This is in the sink. - I don't want to eat in a messy kitchen. - It's like seeing a cat up on the counter. And this is in the sink. - Yeah. - All right. - Hold up. - This is what exactly is good. - This is good. - Any food can be eaten any time of day. - Yes. Oh Jesus. Woo. Woo. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you, captain crunch. - Absolutely. - Any time of day. - Is a good midnight meal for me. - Any time of day. - I have a girlfriend whose husband starts every meal with dessert. - Starts? - Yes. We go to dinner with them. We're sitting in a restaurant. And he'll say to the server, "Can I see the dessert menu?" So they think he's just planning ahead. - Right. - And then they come back to take the order. - And he wants his cake now. - He wants the cake now. And then he'll eat everything else. - He said, "When we're not going to be worried about saving a room, I can reheat that burger." - But you know, there are in many cultures though. If it's like a celebratory meal, you do start with something sweet because the idea is symbolically, you wanna kick it off with something sweet to just kind of start the evening and celebration. - I might have to adopt that one myself. - Right, isn't that nice? - Yeah, 'cause I never get to the dessert. - But just a little something sweet just to start the, to start it off with a little sweet, right? - I normally do it with champagne. - Oh, what's your work? - But you know, I-- - You can put a little raspberry in there. - Oh, whoa! - Yeah, get your bread while you need it. - Hey! - We're at one-- - anchovy. - One anchovy each? - That was a big anchovy. I think that's two actually. - That's two? Okay, so that's there we go. - Yeah, okay, that's fine. But go on one more. - It's bones in here. - They melt. - They melt! - They do. Okay, that's good. - You said that like a mom, just then. - They melt. - That's no. - Let's just see here. Here we go. (laughs) - My entire team is like, "Yes!" We've been practicing that slide, the launch into the pizza. - Oh, really? - All day. Because you know, sometimes the dough warm on the pan, you gotta get it on there kind of cool, otherwise it starts sticking. - Right. - And so now I've got to rotate. - Oh, oh, you are serious about this. - Oh, yes. - Look at that. Wow. Oh my. - Uh-huh. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You gotta rotate the pizza. - Oh, that's very impressive. You just have to keep doing it. - Yeah. - Huh. Oh, look at the smokes coming out of it and everything. - You ever seen this before? - I know, actually. - Leave me with it. (laughs) - Yo, I am Madame Vice President in my backyard and I'm spinning pizzas. - It appears to be quite impressive. - Hello, Angie's impressed. Mama, we made it. (laughs) Okay, now I'm gonna pull this out now because I think we are more than ready. - Wow, that was fast. - Oh yeah. - Oh my goodness, look at that. - Look at that. - Wow, look at that. Look at the cheese all bubbling up. That's beautiful. - That was almost 60 seconds. - That's a really impressive. I didn't know that I've seen these before. I didn't know this is how, this is really impressive. - Yeah, that goes neat. That'll get you where you need to be. - That's the brand. - That's the brand. - Okay, so we've got so much to discuss, we've got considerate. - Okay. - I wanna talk about this book. - Okay. - 107 days. - Yes. - Yes. - Whoa, what a work. I hope that you were proud, but we have a lot to talk about. Are you ready? - We do, I'm ready. - Okay, let's do it. - I'm ready. And it's so funny. I've actually got a question. It's something gonna sound pretty silly. - What? - But what do people call you these days? - You can call me Kamala. You can call me, I don't know. That my team will sometimes say MVP. - Right, Majesty? - No, no, no. - No, your Grace? - No, no, no, no, no. Only my family, I asked them to, but they never told me. (laughing) - I'm gonna tell you that moment with your sister, where y'all were talking about big sister general. - General. - I'm gonna tell you right now. The way that y'all lean into each other to laugh, it's just like, it's so, it's such a loving thing to do. You get a real glimpse of your bond, your connection. But also y'all sense of humor. I love it. I love it so much. - Oh, that's good to hear. - Okay, so your Grace is what we're settled on. - Don't do that, I call me Kamala. - Okay, mama, she said I could. She said I could. Okay, now, have you seen people cut pizza with scissors? - Never. - Never? Okay, so we were at a restaurant and they would not cut the pizza. - With anything? - They were like, no, we don't have a pizza cutter, we don't have to say, would you have a pair of scissors? And he literally would rather have brought me a pair of scissors than to have just cut the pizza. - Where were you? - We were at a restaurant in LA. - They really wouldn't cut the pizza? - Taroni won't cut the pizza for you. Am I lying? Yeah, call you out. - Now what? No, I'm just saying, I'm not gonna cut it with the scissors. - Okay, do what you wanna do. Okay, don't cut out the anchovy. - Nice. - I saw that. I saw that. - I really did try to cut right around it, you saw it, right? - You know what my mother used to do? 'Cause there are two of us, me and my sister Maya. And we had to split things a lot. And so my mother would say, okay, one of you gets to split, the other gets to choose. You have never seen a more fair split in your life. (laughing) - That's, you know what? But one of you gets to split, the other gets to choose. - Yes. - Day. - Right. - I mean, equality. - Totally. - Okay, did we get one with the anchovy? - So that's, well you cut right through that anchovy there. - That's what I'm gonna say. - I know, go on, just have to just see it. That's good for you, just have an exchange. - Okay, but we're gonna get you first, okay, here we go. - Okay, here. This is my business. - Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. - Why don't you just have a small piece? Just have a small piece. Just, and then, don't, don't overdo it. - Okay. (laughing) - I've never had fish on pizza. - Never wonder where Tropicana got its name? The tropics. And every time you enjoy a glass, you're not just drinking juice. You're taking a trip. Stepping into sunshine and embarking on a flavorful journey into the tropics where ripe fruit is crafted into wildly delicious juice. And the best part? No fast part required. Tropicana, give life some juice. (laughing) (breathing heavily) (laughing) - I said I didn't know about it. This is like a salty content. - Yes, it's like umami. It's salty. - That's not what I was expecting. - Uh-huh. - Right? - And it puts some pepper flakes on it. - I love that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughing) (laughing) - It's merely coming out here. - Okay, let's see. That's actually pretty good. And not bad pizza, right? - Mm-hmm. - So good. - Right? You might have said something there. - Right? - You might have said something there. One of the times in the book, the time you talk about eating cheese pizza with anchovies, was really kind of the start of this whole journey of the first day. - The first moment. - Yeah. - The first day you found out that Joe Biden was not gonna be running for re-election. - That's right. - And that you had the go ahead. - Right. - Is pizza with anchovies is where you went? - So that day started like a regular Sunday. My family was staying with us. My niece, her husband, their daughters, who I call my baby nieces. And the day started, I had promised them, we were gonna make pancakes and sausages and bacon. And I had an event the night before for the campaign, before the president had dropped out. So I got in very late. And my baby niece Amara, auntie, what time will you wake up? Because she wakes up, and normally she wakes up very early. She's the first one to wake up. And she will come and knock on the door. And then she and I will have our quiet time together before everybody else wakes up. But I knew I need to sleep 'cause I got in so late. So I said, honey, wake me up at 7.30. I told, we'd negotiate at that before I left the night before. And she actually wrote it down, like our little contract. She came knocking on the door with her sister, Lila, at 7.30 on the nose. And we spent the morning together. And then I had a little puzzle that I'd like love to work with the kids on. And told me he was dropping out. - Now, did you have any idea this call was gonna be coming? Did you know? - No, not so ever. - I was in my sweat. I had my hair up in a ponytail. In my head, I was like, oh my God. This is happening right now. And the only people staffing me are both under four feet tall. (laughing) - At this very moment. - My little baby nieces. - Right. - First hand witnesses to history. - Whoa. - And so that day, then, you know, I have this incredible team. My, you know, people call them staff. They're my team. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. - I get it. I mean, some of them were nearby. Some of them came from wherever they were, dropped everything. - And got right to work. And so the dining table that had previously been the scene of pancakes and greasy little fingers (laughing) was now filled with binders and laptops. And I just started with the help of my team calling through all the delegates of the Democratic Party to let them know I was in the race. And I intended to win. I let folks know anybody could jump in. - We were going. - Yeah, we were going. How was it on it? - Yeah. - And so it was, as you can imagine, a very long day into the night. And so we ordered pizza. Everybody likes, you know, pepperoni, whatever whatever. - Yeah. - But I just like a cheese pizza with anchovies. And so that's in the book. 'Cause that's what I had that day. - Now, when you ordered this pizza, do people like, "Oh, you know, I'm like gonna wanna put the anchovies on the pizza?" Or do you have to order a little separate pizza for yourself? Or have you made some converts? - Well, yes, apparently. - I have made converts. My husband is a convert. He likes now anchovies on pizza, but he likes sausage and pepperoni and all that, too. But normally what I'll do is I'll just, you know, ask him to put on half the pizza, put anchovies in there by the camera. - You have been at the forefront of campaigns. - You have run for office many times. - Yes. - You have won many times. - I was DA for two terms. I was attorney general for two terms. I was the United States senator and vice president, all through an election process. - So far. - Yeah. - I know that you at that moment are also summoning everything that you're gonna need to bring to you. - Absolutely. - For this next 107 days, did you have any idea what this was really the toll that would really gonna take? - I mean, I knew, I understood that the stakes. - Yeah. - There was a complete clarity on that. I was fully aware that every minute would matter. And I had a strong sense of what I needed to do next. - Yeah. - Did I sit back and think about, oh, this is gonna involve the specific kinds of experiences I had, not entirely. - Yeah. - In fact, I had enough experience with campaigns to know that there are some things you just can't predict. - Right. And when you also are running against someone who is so unpredictable. - Yeah, but that's exactly right. - You know how could you? - That's exactly right. I mean, I said to my team that night after we had finished with our pizza and all that, you know, before we ended the night, I did say to them, "It's gonna be a rough ride." And I know we're up to it. - Tell me why you decided that this was the book that you wanted to write. Well, this was the time that you wanted to write it. Because it's not a typical, it's not like a, it's not a tell-all, it's not, you know what I mean? It's not like a, in essence, a journal. - You're right. - It feels like a journal. And I can imagine was incredibly cathartic and helpful to your mental state, mental wellness through the process. And maybe even after looking back, what made you decide this is what I'm willing to share with all of us? - You know, it was, I tend to be very task-oriented. - Yep. - And not to really reflect as much as perhaps I should. And so that's what those hundred and seven days were. - Get the job done. - Get the job done. It's not about you, not about your feelings, it's about gotta get it done, keep moving. Which is also very interesting about even when, as I'm reading this, the journal entry is basically, it's like, this is what happened. It's not a lot about, and this is how I felt about it. It's like, this happened, this happened, and this happened. And you get a real sense of the incredible pace that a campaign moves, the unreal expectation on the body and the mind of being vice president while also running for the highest office in the nation, in the most consequential election of our time. - Yeah. - What were your practices for mental wellness? - One of the reasons I wrote the book is because, as a historic vice president, running a historic campaign for president, I was not about to let history have other people tell my story. You know, there are plenty of people who've been writing about it, but there's only one person who experienced it firsthand in the way that I did. - Yeah. - And for all those people who were inspired or saw something about themselves, I wanted to be able to talk with them about some, an experience that is obviously very unique, and in a way that would bring transparency to it, so that hopefully there are people who read the book and see something about themselves and that they could do something like this. - Yeah. - I hope that the book serves to inspire people, to break down the opaque walls around what this thing is that so few people have had access to. - Right. Or believe that they could. - Right. And you know, you're right. [BLANK_AUDIO] - The stress was more than I can explain. - Each day was so different. I'm sure there were things that you do that are a part of a kind of a routine. - It was intense. So what I do every morning, for years, I work out every morning. - Okay. - No matter how little sleep I've had. - We talk in like, elliptical, we talk in like-- - Elliptical, I do, usually half an hour on the elliptical. - Okay. - These days I do half an hour on the elliptical and then 15 minutes on the treadmill with weights at an incline. - I know, that's right. - But it's mind-body and spirit. - Yeah. - You know, it gets your endorphins going, it, you can work out your stuff. - Yeah. - What, you're working out? - Yes I do. - Whatever, you're, you just work it out. - I know this a little bit. - It's straight into me. - Don't start the day with it. You know, just like you did out of your system and then start your day, feeling light and control. - And also having done something like this progress already at the beginning of the day. I mean, but the first day of the day of the pizza that one of the things that I did, it was so intense and it happened so quickly and it was so unexpected. - Mm-hmm. - I realized that I was almost in front of myself in terms of how fast-paced the day was and I realized I needed some centering. - Mm-hmm. - And I called my pastor. - Is that right? - I did. I just realized, I just like, I had to stop and center and pastor Brown who marched with King. I called him and he's so wise and I put him on speaker so that the team could hear him and we prayed. - And we prayed. For me, it's always been important to have, to be intentional about having people in my life who are supportive and it could be friends, it could be family, it's chosen family. - Mm-hmm. - Absolutely, yeah. - Who are there to support you? - Lift you up, see you. - Lift and see, but also who, you know, will say, you know, you need a mint. (laughing) - Hey, hey, hey. - Who will say? - Hey, hey, hey. - When you trip, we'll laugh and then pick you up and push you back out again. - Right, speaking about your family unit, you and Doug. - Uh-huh. - Y'all have been a couple in the public eye in some way for some time. But this was a whole different thing. The vice-presidency, his title, a first of its kind as well. How did y'all get used to that? - Yeah. You know, my husband, he's one of those people who wakes up with a smile on his face. - Yeah. - He has a beautiful gift of being able to see what's good. - Yep. - And at the same time, he is a very serious person. - Mm-hmm. - And understands the seriousness of a moment. He's very protective of me. - Baby. - He does not play. - He does not. - Did you ever have to be like, baby, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no "Baby, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." - He's about the strain that it put on our marriage, these 107 days in terms of how intense it was when all of the attacks were coming in, and they were coming in against me, they were coming against him. And, you know, but he has a sense of humor about a lot. - He has a way of deescalating. - Deescalating. Yeah. Speaking of that, it's so funny that you mentioned it because there's a part of the book where you two are having a conversation, I believe it might even be "The Birth Day." - It was. - And, you know, there was not much planned, and then you saw that necklace and said, "Oh, you thought she was going to get a tofer?" - The fight that all of us have in a relationship I've ever had, but the fact that he deescalated that with we will not turn on each other. - Yes. We cannot turn on each other. - We cannot turn on each other. It was incredible. - And, I mean, there is something about also in any moment where we hopefully all will have an ability to see that we do have agency in a moment. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That we can actually stop what's happening. - And not just go with it. - That we can redirect. - Yeah. - You know, it's not always the case. Not everyone always has control of the moment. - But usually. - But often, if not usually, and hopefully always, we do, but it's a matter of whether we recognize that we do. - And then act on it. You know, when I was growing up, my mother, if you came home with a prop, my mother would look at you. And whereas other parents, "Oh, baby, come here. I'll take care of it. Oh, that's awful." - When you came home with a prop in our house, my mother would look at you and she'd say, "Well, what did you do?" - And. - How we all saw this? - I remember. I was like, "Mommy, never takes muscle." But what I didn't realize is she was teaching us at a very early age. You have agency. - What is your part in this? - Right. - What can you take responsibility for? - Right. And also, what can you do about it? - What can you do about it? Instead of making it someone else's thing. - Right. As though things happen to you. - Right. - That's part of what life can teach you, especially when you are having those moments where you are dealing with unfairness, you are dealing with injustice. - Yeah. - Is to try and figure out, "Okay, what can I do about this?" - What can I do? - And often when I'm talking about injustice and unfairness, it is not of your creation, but just not allowing those moments to disempower you. - Yeah. - Right? Because that's part of what I talk about, especially at the end of the book and where I am, in terms of how I feel about it today, we cannot let our spirit be defeated. - That part is too much work to do. - No, it's too much work to do. - Also, too much progress has been made to just forfeit now. We cannot let the darkness that we are seeing, the unfairness, the injustice, the corruption, cause us to freeze. - Right. Right. - And certainly, we cannot allow it to cause us to just throw up our hands when it's time to roll up our sleeves, right? - You're gonna set a word right there. That's it. It is not time to throw up our hands when it's time to roll up our sleeves. - Near the end of the book, in particular, you were just talking about it. The moment where, as Vice President, you have to basically bring the clothes to this election process. - Yeah, January 6th. - Let's just let that. - So not only was it 107 days of the campaign, then the campaign is over. Y'all remember what happened on January 6th? - Mm-hmm. - In all seriousness, like, y'all remember what happened on January 6th. Now you also have to stand in this space and do your job. - Certify the election as Vice President of the United States. - And, you know, that was a day that I reflected. - In the book, you said it was one of the hardest things you've ever had to do. - It really was. - What was it about that day? I mean, without making any assumptions, I want to know, like, what was it about that day that was like, "This is. " - So, I, as Vice President of the United States, President of the Senate, as does any, that was the 49th Vice President of the United States in the history of our country, has the responsibility, whether you'd run or not, to certify the election for President of the United States. - And so it was my responsibility to certify this election. And remember, as you know, recent history, four years before this past January 6th, I was the United States Senator from the State of California and Vice President-Elect. - And so on January 6th of 2020, my responsibility and job was to go and vote as a member of the United States Senate to certify the election of President. - Mm-hmm. - So, I was sitting in the DNC headquarters and making some calls before I'd go back over to the Capitol to vote. - And Secret Service comes rushing in and they say, "You've got to leave right now." And the reason is because there was an active bomb right, feet away from me outside of the DNC. - Four years after, I'm then going to the Capitol to certify this election, where my name is part of what every member from each state who speaks about. - The Electoral College will speak my name and then the name of the current President. And it was non-negotiable in my mind that I would stand. there and give the process, the dignity that it deserves of showing what leadership should be about, which is a peaceful transfer of power, and the acknowledgement of an election and do the duty of certifying it without obstruction. And that's what I did. And was there a part of you that was like, "I ain't going. Tell 'em I ain't going. Cancel the car. Pioneer. Pioneer out. Pioneer out. That was the codename. Pioneer? Yes, that's my codename. That's fire. That's fire. There was never a consideration for you. Never a. No. Okay, so this is how y'all play. I'm going to play like that too. I was not going to give them that. You know that there's a new phrase, "When they go low, you go to hell." You know what I mean? Like, you can go way lower, and you just wouldn't, that's wasn't your jam. That was not your jam. No, I mean, there's another one, essay. F-O? F-O? Yeah. F-O. Hey. Hey, hey, hey, you know I know. But I didn't do that either. Baby. It's still time. I was not going to let them, in any way, compromise every reason that I ran for president, which is that I do believe in the importance of the rule of law. Yeah. I do believe in the importance of protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States, that I do believe in the part of America's strength being a peaceful transfer of power after an election. This the process. by the people. It's the process. It's not about to, in any way, compromise my beliefs to go beneath what I believe everybody should stand for. And I do believe that in many ways, hopefully the contrast was very evident. Yes, absolutely. Right. 100%. It won't take history to tell that story. And it wasn't, Scott, it wasn't about turning the other cheek. Let's be clear about that. I don't know. Right. Absolutely. That's not where I'm coming from. But doing your job. Yes. You do. And showing what a real American leader does. Hello. You're reading this book and there are moments that you return to incredible highs, incredible experiences of triumph and trailblazing. Were there moments for you on this campaign, during this campaign, that stick out to you that were like, this is what this is about, like this feeling, these people, this momentum is what this is about. You know, one of my favorite things to see in it would always happen spontaneously at our rallies and thousands of people would come. And there, it would happen, is invariably, somebody would want me to take a picture or a husband or child. And someone in the back would hand that baby over through the crowd up to you. Who would bless the baby, but pass the baby and then pass the baby, and I don't know. There was something about that when it would happen. I mean, I could be very emotional about it right now, but, but, but, you know, I believe that we should always feel that, you know, the children of the community are the children of the community. Yeah, yeah. Of all of us that our next leaders, our next thinkers, our next. And that we all participate in caring about that child, and in caring for that child, and there was just something about that. And seeing the baby travel from the parent to all of us, and the parent trusted the stranger that was next to them, who trusted the next person, and all of them as though it was their own child. There was something so magical in many ways about that and about affirming, about you can create an environment where people feel safe and feel a sense of communal responsibility and community. Yeah. You know, many of us had the blessing of growing up where, you know, the neighbors were watching out for all the kids. Right. It was a neighborhood. Yeah. Your neighborhood was the community. Right. And there's so much about where we are right now that has caused people to feel alone or to feel outside or to feel like they don't belong, and this was just the opposite of that. And I hold on to that. I talk about that kind of thing in the book, and I hope that there is something about what I have written and shared that reminds people about how we all felt, because we're still those same people. That part. And we can't let circumstances or one election strip us of those kinds of feelings. Did you have to share the book with people before it was published, and were you like, okay, so I did talk about that conversation that we had. It's on page 72, you may be just want to read it, so you know about it now. I'm not changing it, but I want you to know that's in there, did you have to have conversations like that? Yes, there are a couple. Really? I'm not telling you. Can I guess? No. No. I'm not telling you. It's probably obvious. I'm not telling you. We had the game early. That game is over. So then let me rephrase, were you nervous about how some people would receive your perspective on scenarios that involved them? There was a situation on 9/11 involving a mega hat that you didn't say it. Like, I felt what is going on here without giving too much away the book as you need to read the book for real. And as you said, Scott, the book is not a tell-on, but it is honest. Yes. Raw even. It was a raw experience, and there was, there probably is a lot about the writing of the book that was cathartic for me to just like, not just to hold that stuff in my head. It happened. Yeah. Or some witnesses to it, and now there will be more. Yeah. And it's just, it's, you know, probably more candid than I've been in a long time, not that I've ever hidden anything, but just I share more than perhaps I normally have. Yes, it did. Really? Yeah. It did. I believe it. For several pages at a time, I would be like, am I supposed to be reading this? I know this stuff. We've never had access to this person who is experiencing this thing in this way because it's never happened before. I just think it's important to tell the truth. And so many people want to know or have asked what happened. And again, I wasn't about to leave it to other people to tell for me. I'm going to tell you the thing that surprised me the most reading this, election night happens. And Doug comes back from his work on the campaign trail. In Tony, yeah, campaigning, not brother in law. And you have an incredible family dinner. And you sense something isn't all together the same with Doug, but don't know what it, what that is just yet. And the results of the election come in. We're all good, it is the worst. But you and Doug never talked about that night, that day until I started writing about. And how long was that? Months. Do you just went to bed, woke up the next morning and you just moved on with life? That's right. Well, no, the next morning after the election, I went to Howard, my alma mater to give my speech, conceding, but also hopefully uplifting everyone to not give up. So everything kept moving. It was like situation after situation, then there were the fires here in California. And so as vice president, I was then working with FEMA and in the Oval Office with the president, working on making sure that we got all the kinds of disaster relief we could get to California. But right then, at that point, the fires were raging. So it wasn't just about relief, it was real about resources and FEMA resources and supporting our first responders here. But also not just you and work in connection to your duty to this country, your job in relation to this country, but also your own family. So we, after the election, we were packing up to leave DC and the vice president's residence. And the fires started raging and we were there in DC watching on television. The fires in our neighborhood. Right. And then across the TV, it basically said Kamala Harris, the fire is approaching Kamala Harris's house. You did see that. Yes, I did. Yes, I did see that. Because I have a picture of that. Oh, you do? Yeah, because it was like, it was just like, how is this happening? So many people in Los Angeles, everyone was affected by the fires in Los Angeles if you did. All of Adena and Kyle Saves, of course. But I just think about the things that you have to deal with. So the ways that you have to push through, move through things as not only the Vice President, not only a spouse, a parent, a woman, a black woman, how have you kept it together? Because you know what, here's the thing, I try not to let things happen to me. I choose not to live life that way. It may be a sub matter of perspective because of course things happen to all of us. But yeah, it was, you know, in many ways awful. I mean, I, you know, people ask me, how did you feel election night in those first days after? I grieved, I experienced emotions that were almost like how I felt when my mother died. And I was grieving not for like the loss of a campaign like you lose again. It was, I was grieving for our country. I was grieving. I was, I was so worried about what this would mean for the American people. Yeah. I knew what it would mean. You know, and what it is obviously meant, right? I mean, I, as I talk about, I mean, look, I'm the eldest, you know, from the time I was two years old, my mother said to me, look out for each, your sister. Yeah. So from two years of age, you've been protector, and I've known that that's my responsibility to protect. Mm-hmm. It makes us a general. And after that election, I was not in a position to protect in a way that, you know, felt meaningful to you, felt well, in a way that I otherwise would have been, had the outcome and the election been different. Yeah. And so it was rough, but I, you know, I, I choose not to, I choose not to allow circumstances or individuals disempower my spirit. You know, that's just what I choose. You know, I, I just believe, don't let anybody take your power from you. Yeah. I do. I didn't expect to get emotional about that, but there is something I think so, if you can say that, if you can really believe that, then like, there are so many others of us who can feel confident in that as well, who can summon what we need for that as well, because it, it feels like in so many ways, like all hell has broken loose. And to resign that that's just what it's going to be, it's not enough, it's not okay. No, we can't do that. And so we can't do that. I was not expecting to be encouraged this way. I mean, I should have been, because I read the book, I know that that's the, the, the, your last few pages say everything, right? I'm also just amazed at you and how you've decided you've made the choice. I'm not going to be that. I'm also not going to allow the people to define who I am and what I am. Absolutely right. I'm going to own that. Thank you. Absolutely right. And let you know, in case you forgot. Right. What time it is. And, and you know, that was part of that the hundred and seven days. Yeah. Is an attempt to do that. And I mean, I tell some funny stories. There are some choice words in the book. I must tell everybody. No, I have a question speaking of. Did you talk to one of the sites? I did not. I did not. Because when you brought them in the book, I said, my girl, yes, you saw it right when she did that. Yes. I keep thinking about that debate and the thing that stayed with me is how she was able to call him a motherfucker without calling him a motherfucker. That was that was genius. And the thing that I love about it is whether whether that's really where you were or not and I can't imagine that's actually where you were in that moment on that stage. I can't imagine, okay, I could be corrected. I could be corrected because I was going to say, well, I can't imagine that's where you were meant that I wanted to be because like we were saying it, still saying it. When you called Trump to, I guess it's the protocol is to call and concede. Yes, after the election. After the election. When he said to you, among other things, that you have a beautiful name, that he got to say your name and that it's tamala with perfect pronunciation. Yes. The, the, the, the, yeah, that, that it stirred in me that the confirmation of things you, you kind of knew, but that you really know now. Yeah. How did you process that? Did you have the phone? And then that, I mean, I have to say that one, it did not surprise me. It didn't. And no, not at all. Not at all. I was fully aware of who I was running against. Yeah. It was odd though, the difference of his personal communication with you, his, his, his, is one on one communication with you and his public facing communication about you. Yeah. It was Dr. Jackal, Mr. Hyde. I mean, I, like I said, I, and I came up with this phrase when I was running, especially in the beginning, we didn't have any polling or anything like that. You know, I had to just hit the ground running. And I came up with this whole speech that is, I know his type. That part. So when you know somebody's type, you may not actually imagine what exactly how it's going to manifest itself, but what it happens is consistent with knowing that type. Right. You know, I think we all, we'll, we'll cite the amazing Maya Angelou, which is, you know, when people tell you who they are at the first time, believe them. Believe them. So how many more examples do you need? Within our own community, the kinds of commentary, the kinds of, the things that were said, the things that were misleading, the things that were, I imagine, incredibly hurtful within our own community, probably the most hurtful. How did you reconcile that? I remember watching D.L. Hugley repeatedly say, I am so sorry. And can you imagine for, he, he did it publicly and he did that on his own. Yeah. He's an, I think he's an amazing man, an amazing human being that he has the strength to be able to be so vulnerable to say that, to say that and give people permission. Were you surprised by some of the other people who had things to say? I mean, here's the thing, I, um, I believe that God will judge us based on, and who we are and what we do, not on what other people say about us. I'm so glad to know you because it's just to have this conversation with you this way, the openness that you've had and even in this book, it's just, it's, um, it's a call really to like, be your best and that like, if you can do it, we can do it, you know what I mean? You know, we are all in this together and we, we just have to believe, we have to have faith in ourselves in each other. We have to have faith in knowing that, you know, they're going, they're going to be dark moments. And in many ways, this is a, this is a period of darkness, but, but we each also have light inside of us. And we need to see the light in each other and strive toward that. That. Tell me, what was it about this book that you are hoping that more people take away? I really do hope that by the time the reader finishes with the book, they will walk away with a sense of hope about the future. You know, often in life, the fight takes a while. Yeah. So it doesn't mean that you give up or walk away from it. You got to stick with it and see what is possible. I believe in what is possible. Yeah. Again, I'm clearied about all the obstacles. I'm clearied about the destruction of our government right now and, and institutions and whether it be, you know, people who are going to be, their Medicaid is going to be cut off. Right. Attempts to get rid of the Department of Education or Head Start, right? I'm really clear about what is incredibly destructive. about that, I also believe in the future. I believe, I believe in Gen Z. I believe in our young people. I meet with our young people and they are. They have no patience for it all. - No patience. - They have gone through the pandemic. They know about the climate crisis. They're worried about how technology is gonna make jobs unavailable to them that their parents had. They're taking the horse by the reins. - Yeah. - And so, and I know, I know the willingness of people to organize and to engage in peaceful protest and to be involved in community organizations. And I want to encourage everybody, get back out there and do all of that. It matters. It makes a difference. This is our country. - Right. - We are clearied about the problems, but we love our country. As long as we can hold on to our democracy, we can, but our democracy in large part is a function of the power being the people. - Right. - So the people cannot give up their power. - And I mean, if you're able to accomplish the amount of things you're able to accomplish in 107 days, when you're back as against the wall, imagine what you can do with many days. - Yeah, that's right. - In many ways. - And there are people in our country who I have met who are doing extraordinary things. I, you know, during the 107 days, Hurricane Helene. And I went and I met with those folks. And let me just tell you, Scott, you probably know this. In my life experience, it is often the case that the people who have the least give the most. You'd have first responders who didn't know what was happening with their home who were their helping others. - Yeah. - Volunteers who had lost everything, but were creating bags of essentials - Yeah. - To get to families, to get to children. That's the spirit that's in us. - That doesn't have to only be activated around tragedy. - No. - Yeah. - And nor should it ever be changed because of one election. - Absolutely. - So that's, I hope that people take that away when they get through the book, take away some sense of tomorrow and have some sense of hope about what that can be. But it means about being present today. - Yeah. - So I don't mean to suggest, oh, everything's fine, everything's gonna be okay. Things may get worse before they get better, okay? But we each have something that we should not let anyone else or a circumstance diminish or extinguish, right? Then we are really defeated. - Right, you can lose the game. - Yeah, but don't lose your joy. You have so much joy. You bring that to other people in such a beautiful way. You have, from the ability to have a game with emojis, to sit down and have a serious conversation about the nuances of a presidential election, for President of the United States, you're not accepting any false choices. And I'm a big believer in that. Do not accept false choices. We can be clear-eyed and at the same time have hope and faith, enjoy. - Enjoy. - And fight. - That part. - Don't leave that out ever. - I told you I got a cousin. - I know. - She'd like to fight. She'd like to fight. Who? - Right. - She has your phone, where? - So who plays you in the movie when they make this a movie? Is it Maya Rudolph? (laughing) Does she do it? I mean, who do you play in the movie? - Who plays you in the movie? - It's so fantastic. - Fantastic. - You know what? I did "SNL" do it. I told her. - Oh, no. - I described that experience in the book. - Yeah, it was fantastic. - She's so amazing. - Thank you so much. - That's it. - You were the bomb. - Thank you, my dear. - You were the bomb. - Wait, so wait, I just feel a real sense of accomplishment. - What's that? - You, you like "N" Shelby? - I can't believe you did it. - I can't believe you got me a name and I'm like, "I really ate it." - This was so special. And thank you for the fries and everything. - I think it's time for a shot now, huh? - It's okay. You want to say it now? - No, I'm not. - He's a photo guy now. I'm talking to Keyla. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's a little early for me. (laughing) - And then we-- - Okay. - Oh, yeah. - You are a fool, but you are cool with me. (laughing) - I think I'm gonna have a-- - Me, this is so great. - This is so great. - I did it. - Oh, my goodness, it's gonna be good. - What do you think you just thought of a coconut tree? - You exist in the context of all in what you did and all that came before you. - Yes, that's all right. - Right? - No. - No? - Huh? - Huh? - You exist in the context. - In the context of all the things that came before you. - Mm. - It's always the thing came before you. - Yes. (laughing) - Mm. - This is first cut shirt. - Yum. (laughing) - That's good. - That's good, all right? All right, if you will just sign anywhere. - Oh. - There. - Thank you so much. - Thank you, Milo. - Thank you so much. - This was so exciting. - You were so. - And enjoying a phone. - Okay, so you know there was no way we were letting you leave without a couple of gifts from us. - Mm-hmm. - Oh, but that's more than a couple. - Yeah. (laughing) - Goodness gracious, what you got going on here. - Bam, okay, so we also got you a candle. - Oh, I love candles. - Now while it's not my signature scent, it is one that I really, really love. - You'll get one. - You know? - Yeah. - And then I know you look to cook, so we got you a few cookbooks. - Oh. - One with some of the recipes from the best restaurants in Los Angeles. - Oh, I don't have other of these cookbooks. I don't have other of them, that's great. - A friend of mine is a friend of Earl. Thank you. - Where is Earl the restaurant? - You didn't get to meet him today. - Where is Earl? - You didn't get to meet him, but he was all in the episode today. - He was. - Just allowed, just talking all out. So we got you a little bit of him. - Oh, oh, I love this. Yum, this is delicious. - Right? - Yes, everything is delicious. - Little baby. - Yeah. - Thank you so much. - No, seriously, where is Earl? (laughing) - Where is Earl? - He's leaving his best life. - He's looking around somewhere. - Oh, he doesn't live here? - No! (laughing) - He's been a-- - How would I know? - We'd have been a Earl. (laughing) - Try to bump in one of them pots. - That's what my grandma used to do there. - See? - My grandma had chickens in the back. - Oh, yes. I have seen a chicken run with its head cut off. - What? - Oh, that's how it happens. You do know that. - This is why Earl couldn't live here. - That's exactly what my grandma was like. - That's not what my grandma was like. (laughing) - That's like zombie apocalypse stuff. I couldn't do that. - You're walking around without a head? That's crazy. - Because it still doesn't know it doesn't have the head. - That's crazy. - I mean, it wouldn't walk around forever 'cause then it gets cut. That's how they do it in the country. - That's why I live in the city. - Right. (laughing) - I'm not doing that in a way. - That's how you kill the chicken. - Mm-hmm. - No, just jump in the pot, please. - No, my grandma used to do it. She had a farm. - That's it, no, no. - Yeah, well, that's how it goes. - You said, well, that's how it goes. You said each chicken, you should know. - Thank you, Earl. - All right, thank you so much. - Thank you. And thank you for all the thought that you've put into this and also just understanding what the book is meant to be. That means a lot. I haven't talked to many people. You're the first person actually that I've talked to outside of my team. - Wait, what? - That has read the book. You are. So that was really helpful. - Wait, what? - To get your feedback, yes. (laughing) - Yes. - So will we knock on that? - I just beta-tested my book on you. 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