Justin Gaethje on Cheating Allegations, Craziest DMs & Kicking Schulz

- You gonna grow, right? - No. - What are the DMs looking like? - Down in the middle. - Bullshit. - Let me show you, Hank. - It's one of hope. - It's where. - They're in there. Don't give me wrong. - I'm not gonna do that. - Yeah, I'm not responding. - I'm not accepting. - See, this one right here. - Oh, no! - Yeah! - It's just a chance. - No, that one was crazy. - I saw fingers disappear. - That's someone's daughter. - You know what they call me, New York's could be. Just let you know. - Yeah, no one called me. - No one said that. - I heard that. - It's a bad thing you're saying all this on camera. You really gonna let me kick you one. - One kick out. - One kick out. - Do you wanna do it out? - He's already signed up. (laughing) - Don't hurt yourself. - Wait, you going to this one? - I'm gonna kick you out like, oh yeah. - What's up? And welcome to Flagrants. Listen, most fighters spend their careers trying to figure out how to win. Our guests figured out something even harder. How to make people care. When he fights, nobody's scrolling their phone. And we send texts. Nobody's responding to emails. You're locked to fucking, 'cause you don't know, if you're about to see a knockout, a war, two grown men, permanently shortening each other's life's man, you just know that you're gonna fucking remember it. He's the only fighter whose nickname isn't marketing. It's a guarantee. Ladies and gentlemen, UFC World Champion. Justin, the highlight. - Gachi. (clapping) - Oh, what's up, boys? - What's good, bro? Thank you so much for coming, man. What's going to see you, dude? - Sack, you were from a quick. - I'm just signing you on my hands. (laughing) - You know, Alex thinks he's never lost a fight to a white guy, and I know you're half-mexing him, but he doesn't think that that white guys could beat him up. - Good, you know, Jim here? (laughing) - He's smaller in person, though. - Yeah, he's smaller. I thought you guys walk around a little bit bigger when you're not a fan. - What are you way? (laughing) - You're a hundred and fifty two pounds. - Wow, 170 solid. - How did you get it? - He even got those legs. You think you could-- - That's why, that's why. - He's a John Joe's legs. - John Joe's legs. (laughing) - How many leg kicks to just snap those things in half, you'd like? - Depends, have you ever gotten kicked before? - I did a little karate back in the day. - A little karate, yeah. (laughing) - He did a little karate. Four, four, he's done, he's not walking the same. Four. - Four, that says Uncle. - You won't get three. - Let's go one for one, and then we'll see. - Oh, later. (laughing) - And then listen, you know, maybe 94 days later, it'll recreate what actually happened and have a bunch of excuses. - Yeah. - He'll be not taking a comfortable shit for at least three weeks. - Dang. - And the time he goes to the other side. "Fuck you, you can't cheat, you can't cheat, you know." - Oh, man, I thought you'd go to something else. (laughing) - Push, push, push, push. - I thought you'd go to something else. - Push, push, push. - You're gonna be walking different. - I thought it was prison rules. (laughing) - That's all rules, I don't talk to people. - Justin, what's good, you do achieve everything you ever wanted, and then is it possible and you tell me this, when you're dominant and you dominate someone who's never been dominated before, they can't accept reality and they have to create excuses to live in this new world that they're faced with. - Mm. - Ah, I don't know what the question was. (laughing) - I'm talking about Ellie. I'm talking about Ellie and making excuses. - I do think that he created a fake world before. And that's kind of the way that he performed and worked for him. - Wait, what do you mean by that? - Like creating, believing he's invincible, unbeatable. You know, that's not possible. Nobody's fucking unbeatable or invincible. Having parties, updating bios. - You know, so it's kind of the same thing. - Uptitting bios? What do you mean? - You would update his bio as if he had already won before the bio would happen. - Oh, the pre-fight celebration. - Yeah, so it's a very similar thing, just, as a loser now. (laughing) - So, are you thinking he's having a tough time coping with it or it's very easy with him because he could just manifest reality. - Can you pull up the quote that he put? - Yep. - It was the quote to it. - I want you to read it. - Okay. - 'Cause I know it's, I know it's very similar to like, to like, uh, we're gonna stop, we're gonna finish this fight with his brother and it was like he's saying that we're gonna like continue. The obvious he means whenever that English isn't your first language, we're gonna finish the fight. He was saying we're done. - Yeah, you mean this one here? - Yeah. - Final medical test done. I'm back to all the clowns who's been talking shit and counting me out this whole time. Here I am. Now let's see who's got the balls. Thanks to everyone for the support. Next time I'll make sure they check Justin's gloves so he doesn't put anything weird on them, so you soon. - What's the weirdest word in that? On. - Yeah, what were we-- - Like acid, like what the fuck are you talking about? - What were you putting it on your glove? - Yeah, it's just like, like shit on my gloves, so yeah. So when I punch you, that it causes immediate bacterial-- - Yeah, puts like on. - Well, he's like, what are you saying? - Okay, I'm a media pink guy. - Yeah, that's a good idea. - Yeah, that's for it. I'm gonna write his face, but here I be like on them. I'm sure, okay, English is his first language. So baby, he's me, man, in them. But what is he talking about? - He's, I don't know, I don't know. Look, I don't know, honestly, I mean, he honestly has to believe that I cheated, 'cause he can't accept the reality. - Yeah, how could you do it again? - Mm-hmm, I broke his face. - That, like, never will look the same again. - Oh, he might look prettier later. (laughing) - Might be an upgrade as well, you're saying? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Six things, cars. - Yeah. - It's kind of handsome, you know what I mean? You get some scars, you get some scars. - Oh, yeah, he's not a, I don't think he's a lightweight. I think he should go down. I think he'd be vulcanous, he'd be championed at, for the way. I don't think he'll ever be championed at lightweight. - Why, you just didn't feel it. - Wow, he can't be armoured. He's gonna have a difficult time with Patti. And there's a lot of bunch, there's a bunch of dogs. This, I mean, this sport is crazy. So obviously, little luck, little chance, always involved. - Of course. - Can he get lucky and, you know, is he skilled enough? Absolutely. I think he's undersized. So lightweight, that's where I felt. - Really? - Yeah. - It was crazy, 'cause I rewatched the battalions earlier, but like I was rewatching the fight. And I don't know, there was like some pretty amazing exchanges. Like, have you do rewatch your fights? Is there something you like study? - Yeah. - Like, both of you guys making like these slight, pretty awesome adjustments. Like you just, you had this amazing jab in the beginning of the first round. And you lay this like three, it was boom, boom. But then he started timing the jab, and he was coming over the top of the right. And then you caught that, and then you did this thing where you would, it looked, I don't know, I'm not in your brand, but it looked like you were faking the throw the jab, like you were delaying it and then shooting it to kind of throw off his timing. - Yeah, well, so if you watch the whole time, we're constantly changing beats, changing rhythms. Both of us. - Yeah. - Both of us, so you know, leading the dance, that's like one of the most common phrases in fighting. - Explain it. - Like someone's gonna, someone's always leading the dance. - Okay. - Meaning one of us, someone said, you know, someone's like directing the way that we're moving, - Dictating the pace. - Dictating the way that the fight is happening. And so yeah, we're constantly fighting for that advantage. It's a battle of momentum. You know, someone's always leading the dance. It's usually changing, changing hands. But you know, my goal, and my coach is so brilliant, amazing that I've always concentrated and worked on controlling their feet. - Controlling his feet. - With my feet, I was, every action has a reaction. If I move one way, you're gonna move one way, and it's constant. - So how are you controlling his feet? Like what were you trying to do? - Well, so like if, so I'm shifting left by one inch. Like, so I'll, if you look at directions, it's like left, left, left, left, left, left, right. - Got it, see. - Left. - Nice little bit. - Right. - Left, you know, there was faith in between. - Yep. - And all of a sudden. - And so then I'm looking for those moments to fire off of his setups. 'Cause usually he'll jab, boom, some of the reacts, and then he's really effective. But if you just punch on his setup, then you're interrupting everything. - Right, so you didn't let him create the flow. - Yeah. I mean, everything sounds like so cocky and, like when I talk about, it's in hindsight, but it's all speculation, it's all like fighting is crazy. There's at least four or five punches that miss me by a similar meters. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That would have, or could have knocked me out. - Yeah. - At one time, I felt a punch that was like effective. - Which one? The body shot? - I don't know about those, I'm not counting those. - 'Cause the second, those were obvious. - Here's something, and again, I'm not in this guy's head, but it seemed to me that, in the second rounds, when he got you in, what looked like some trouble, I don't know how much trouble you actually felt like you were in, but it was a position you'd been in before, meaning you were comfortable being in trouble, knowing how to survive and get yourself back together, and then you got him in trouble. And it felt like he wasn't comfortable in that position and didn't have the confidence that he was gonna be able to finish you. And that's when I, it looked like there was this, [BLANK_AUDIO] or I think this is maybe worth round. - Yeah. - And it just felt like there was this. I don't know how to get out of it. I'm not gonna be able to hurt 'em. I can't do any jiu-jitsu. There's a moment where it looked like you had you in a fucking arm bar and then you worked yourself out of that. - Yeah, well I've, since several of them took me out, I've learned how to defend your arm bar. - Defensive? - Yeah. - Yeah, really, really hard. - Yeah. - And actually, I tried to sell him, man. I tried to sell him. - You tried to put him in the dark, sir. - I tried to put him in the dark, but I couldn't put the patty in a dark spot. I didn't want to take any chance of him having an underhook and hit my leg. - And then switching his scramble, but I couldn't, I couldn't fuck a dark spotty, I should've. - Yeah, I should've, and it would've been awesome, but yeah, whatever, irrelevant. - At the end of the second round, to put me in that position, he spent everything. And if you were smart, I would've dumped so much money on me after I survived the second round. 'Cause that fight was over. - What do you mean? You knew it in that moment? - Not like in hindsight, yes, of course. Watching it, yes, of course. And in the fight, I would never have tried like that. Be prideful like that, like he's not dangerous somewhere. Like he's always super dangerous, so he'd never have a thought like that. But he spent so much energy. And like I told him before, he wasn't mentally prepared to go to those layarounds and being in the deep waters, he didn't prepare for that. And then he, so that he knew that he had to finish me at the second round. Did he make a mistake by not making me stand up? I think I would've stood up, and then he would've tried to hit me into my body. I would've pulled guard, and I would've recovered, like I did. His best, I think his best chance was to go for the submissions, especially with the knowledge of I've been submitted by Kabeeb, I've been submitted by amongst the people, people think that I have terrible terminologies to. So why would he not go for the submission in that round? And then whenever he did it now-- He'd only been submitted by the two best. He didn't finish me with those body shots, didn't finish me with those. He was fucking done. He was empty. So when you go to the wall-- Similar to how I was empty after I beat Kabeeb in the first round, I was done. That's what I was doing. Yeah. I remember watching that fight. Yeah, and it took everybody for me to do that, and I had nothing left. Why just the pace was too high or-- There was a lot-- I mean, different factors, you know? Like, I wanted to win so much, and then Abu Dhabi, Kabeeb was Kabeeb who I had made up. I didn't want to fucking get on the ground with him. So I was like, I'm going to do everything I can to avoid. And so I was-- I fought his fight, you know? Instead of making him fight you. Instead of fighting, just fight-- Like, here, I've fought my fight. If I ever fight one of these wrestlers again, I'm not going to fight Armin. I'm not going to fucking worry about his wrestling. I'm going to move forward, you know, and be in good position. I'm going to control range. I'm going to create angles. And I'm going to try to knock the fucking face off. So-- Yeah, yeah. And that's how you should fight. That's why Kabeeb was so effective because he moved forward. All the champions move forward. I do believe that's a huge factor that I've-- It's not spoken about a lot. I've heard you say, like, the day of the Kabeeb fight, your wrestling heart rate was a little bit higher than it normally was. The way you've had an idea, something was going to be off that foot. Well, I just-- I knew-- I mean, so I'm a creature of habit. I was in Abu Dhabi during COVID. We were contained to a hotel. We didn't see-- I saw the sun maybe twice in like 12 days. They don't have the same food as us. They don't have no milk. I love no milk. No water is different. It's just like, if you're a creature of habit, you were-- Fuck, what do you know it's so like-- What were you missing out there? Like, you know, fucking certified angus beef. I don't know, like, you know. I don't know what I was eating. Not goat or lamb and fucking goat milk. It's just different. Nothing wrong with it. It's just not what I was used to. And you know, they call me New York's Kabeeb. Just let you know. That's my nickname. I just want nickname, you know. I'm just letting you know. That's the thing you're saying all this on camera. And you're like, let me kick you one. I mean, you never could just do it. You know what I mean, you know what I mean? I said, at the end, at the end, at the end. We're going to get there. Look, I will not see. See, look, I just said it's okay. What's the safe for a position? Die or shin? If he had to take one as a civilian from you. I got like tree trunks for thighs. But he might be better. Well, it's like, you got balls eye for thighs, girl. I actually walk around all day just barely touching my coaches and everybody in my gym. I would do that to you as if we were friends. But, you know, I don't want to do that. We were in a friendship before it started. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I keep giving it a thigh. We don't keep each other in, like, we keep each other in this muscle. Yeah. We attack and fight. But our friends, we just kick in the thigh and give them a dead leg. Just a little dead leg. All right. Well, maybe we give up. Yeah. When you are kicking someone in the shin or whatever, this muscle is right here? Yeah, whatever. What is that? I mean, they call it the calf. But it's not the fucking calf. The side of the fucking calf. Whatever it is. What is the pain level for you when you do it? When you kick them? Yeah. So, you understand, when you're fighting, you feel nothing. When those guys snap their legs, they step back like you didn't snap. Yeah. Because they don't know what fucking snapped. Yeah. So, if they don't feel their fucking leg snap, I'm not feeling that. Right. You don't feel anything. It's too fast to feel something you have to think about it. What about between rounds? So, you're like, oh, we got me with a good one or anything like that. Yeah. Like, when I sat down, I was like, that, like, you know, you heard me say that was a good body shot. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because I was like, you heard it. You can't hear it. You barely hear it faintly. But when he hits me a couple times, I'm like, you can hear me. I'm like, hoo! I'm like, damn. What is that? When he dropped me, that was like the fourth or fifth one. Yeah. He was seeing it off. Yeah. He got me here. Tiam, but he just called me. He landed two good bodies shots at the end of the first round. And I was like, whatever he wanted with you, like, yeah, yeah. That was pretty crazy. He had it his way. Was the fact that the fight was outdoors? Did that change anything? That was the problem. Yeah, yeah. For sure. And why was that? Why was that weird? The humidity, because all you can do is look at all the information that was possible. All the information for the last ten years, prediction was like 75, 70, 80% humidity. It was like 72 degrees, but like a slight breeze. So it felt really nice out there, but in the fight, the humidity was a factor for sure. So you got to sweat more? Yeah. I lost a lot of water. Not just, I mean, yeah, like, electrolytes, I had nothing, sodium, everything. So in between rounds, you know, really got to concentrate. But pretty much leading up to the fight, I would put myself in the sauna before, during and after my workouts, to give my body heat as high as I could and work out in the environment. Because I did not know what it was going to be like. And there's no advocating like the actual intensity of the fighting environment. So, you know, when you land the big over him right, did you know it was over? It wasn't over. But did you know it was over for him? No. Really? You don't have many. You never. I never had a thought in there. Like, I've never been like, I never saw his face. I didn't know. I saw when I hit him with the upper cut, he like reached for his eye and then I saw blood, I was like, sweet. That was in the first. And that was it. And that's all I remember, like, really thinking. Mm-hmm. Wow. I was like that. I sat down in the corner after the fourth round and I was like, he's at the, I was like, was that the third or fourth round and they're like, well, I was like, how many rounds are left? And then my coach over my core was like, it's over. It's over. And I was like, what? And so I didn't even know that he was like, compromise like that. Yeah. I had no idea. You couldn't tell in the fourth. He was kind of backing up and he also put your knee like it doesn't matter because does the point he was at position. Did you see any of the average face when he knocked me out? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you've been in those situations before where you were dominating someone and then they clipped you. Yeah. It was just this poor, so fucking crazy that like it just one second. But you're telling me you're looking at the way his face changed. I didn't notice his face was that compromised. I really didn't. The only time I thought something was wrong was like probably coming up, like I hit him. And then he kind of like, he reacts in like a very like weird way. Like his bones, like it's probably he probably felt his like bones shifting his face. Oh, my God. And so he was like kind of like, oh, something's not right. Cultural wonder. But you mentioned that everything goes blank when you're fighting. It's like, you don't hear anything. You don't notice anything. It's all like instinctual intuitive. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, but through preparation. Right. You know, to experiences that if this is you guys don't tell everyone's like, you know, you fucking fight arm and I don't know what the fuck. I have injuries. I have to take care of. I haven't made the decision, but I am 37 years old. My first fight was 2008. I've had 40 fights, including my amateur fights. So I don't know. I don't know. So you might not you might not go again. Who knows? Who knows? - Is this game? - I don't need to. - Is this game you're doing? Like, is this how you get the big payday? Be like, I don't know if I'm coming back. - This is never been about money for me. - Yeah, I hear that. - It's about health. How much would they have to pay you? - To do what you do? - Yeah, I got kids, man. I got kids, bro. - I want kids. - There's terrorists, bro. - I want kids. - Yeah, yeah. - You've got to do that already. - You got a girl, right? - No, you don't. - No, I'll see you just out of your slinging. - No, I'm just doing nothing. I'm just going to church, you know? - I've lost to me, I'm sorry. - You're so good at dealing with a church out there. - I'm going to church that often. - Yeah. - It's often as I should. - Well, you can get into it. - You know, after you go through this little, you're in the belt. - Yeah. - Not exactly in the belt. - You don't even look. It's kind of like a terrible job. - Bullshit. - Feel three. - Bullshit. - What about girls? - Let me show you, okay? Let me show you. - You're not checking no DMs. - Let me show you what I mean, though. - So if you guys church all the time. - Searching. - Look, it's just so like, it's a. - It's a one-hole, two-hole. - It's a one-hole. (laughing) - I bet you're going to find 9-9-100 dudes. (laughing) - It is kind of, yeah, it's kind of gay. - Some of you would have like a one-hole. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What they tag me in, they put me in group messages, instant messages, direct replies. It's all in one. - Who's that? - Yeah, it's all in one. They're in there, don't give me wrong words. (laughing) But I think who has, you not giving them a shot? - They don't filter numbers. No way to filter, like, if there was a filter, say, show me all the messages from girls that are attractive. - That's Bruno's job. You just gave Bruno the IG and just have him look for the blue checks, starting as well. - I don't want those problems, honestly. - That's good. - I don't want those problems. - Who's supposed to be like this? - They're problem, man. - Who's supposed to talk to our neighbors? - Yeah. - Until, until this girl's your neighbor. - Who's supposed to reach out last one? - Yeah, I'm not responding, I'm not accepting. I'm not accepting, but she's hitting you in Russian, bro. - I know what that says. - No, no, no, that's a sigh, that's a secret agent. - All right, just want to see. - Oh, man, you got a lot, bro. - Yeah. (laughing) - And that was those were the ones that Instagram was like, whoa, okay, let me see this one right here. - Oh, whoa. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - No! - Yeah. - Yeah. (laughing) - What is that incident? - You know that one was crazy. - No, no. (laughing) - It's been. (laughing) - That's not your fault. - They got a handle on it. - I didn't ask for it, I didn't ask for it. - I did not reply. - You didn't even reply, should we look down and respond? She put effort into that video. It's hard to hold the phone in also. - That's crazy. - There was like cameras everywhere probably. - No, no, no. - We don't have any cameras left side. - Don't worry. - This is it. - Poe, you all right. What do you think? I set up a camera to look at you at the end. - Oh, what the. (laughing) - Oh, no, he's in the night. - This is crazy. - No more places. - Brammy. (laughing) Josh. - Jesus. - Listen. - That's just a straight DM, just yo, check it out. - No, that was just some guys in the gym, bro. Do you see? - Jack. - He is strong. - Yeah, diesel. - Yeah, they were going after it, man. - So. - It's all cardio. - So you want a kid, but you're trying to stay away from the ladies, you know? - No, no, no, no. I'm not trying to stay away from the ladies, but like, I don't think finding my wife on Instagram, which is the. - You're not going to find your wife on Instagram. - But when you see some girls in the gym. - You know, church, more? - It's nice people, isn't it? - Yeah. - Those girls look nice. - I don't know if there's a mother material. - I'm just saying some kind of magic tricks. Mixed fingers, disappear like that. - Whatever you showed me right there, and I don't really have a great memory of it, but whatever you showed me right there. (laughing) - I feel like it's something just worth entertaining, just the way that they. It was almost too busy. - I'm busy, I'm busy. - These are dream killers. This guy's locked in. - How much time does that take, though? - Because you got the belt, bro. You achieved everything. - Well, between 20 seconds and four minutes. (laughing) - But you got two sets apart. - There's two sets, but I don't know. - One row. - You're just gonna double the time. - No? - That's not how it works. - It's that four minute. - I mean, you're not even last of one round? - No. - T&B. - T&M. - Yeah. - I mean, I can go. I'm a championship fighter. - Yeah, where's your cardio? - Championship rounds. (laughing) - So you need to put it in a two-way. - That's two-way. - That's the components. - Championship rounds are where I thrive. - Really? - Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. - You just need to put an octagon around your bedroom and just turn that into, you know, make a habit. Then you can change fighting to. - I don't want him to get like a PTSD flash. - Oh, yeah. - That's a better love day. - And like, yeah. - And what was his PTSD? I'm like, amazing dreams. Like what? (laughing) If that's PTSD, then give it to me. (laughing) I love what I do. - No, you do. Those girls that are gonna be in that bed with you that you think is a ring. - Oh, no, no, no. I would never. I'm a lover. (laughing) - You only mean twice a year. - What's that? - I'm only mean twice a year. - Yeah, fighting twice a year. - That's good. - You're more mentalized, you're meanness. So you do want to settle down. You want to have a family, you want to have a family. - I mean, I think I do. I don't know what the fuck I'm all right now. - But they're gonna offer you a fat check to fight arm in. And everybody in the world's gonna want to see you fight. - That's never gonna stop though. - Mm. - One day, Mike. - Oh, really? Yeah, like when I, what? - One day, Mike? - When I lose all my faculties, yeah. I don't think they want to see me. - Wait, why would you lose all your faculties? - Oh, do you know what we do? - That's what you do. (all laughing) - They're fighters that got their faculties. DC got his faculties? DC didn't go too long. But he went with big guys, dude. - He's also a big, big guy. - He is a big guy. And a great golfer. - No. - We going to disrespect DC on this podcast right here? - You know, I'll play him. You put him on your team and I'll pick my teammate in this play. - So I get DC. - You were saying that he didn't go for? - Yeah, you were saying he was the best golfer in your city. - Why don't you want a good golfer on your team? - Yeah, you'd want the best. - I think if it was nine holes, I think what happens to him, the back nine is back, start to act up. I think the front nine, I think the front nine, he smokes your links for us. - Yeah. - He's really good for four to six holes. Just never know where they fall. Somewhere in the 18, but he's gonna be good for. - So what, why don't we take best six of DC versus the best six for you? - All right. - Yeah, but who are you gonna take as a partner? - Give me anyone. - I'll scramble, what is your handicap? - More as mental for me, as most of us. - I should do a two, two, one. They scramble versus me. - I'm a horrible golfer. I went to public scorer. - He's never golfer. - He's never golfer in his life. - I'm gonna take and I'm putting them on you. - Yeah. - But you actually-- - So let's just say that. He's so bad that if he had you, well, I guess that's-- - Yeah, it makes it worse. But I think the winner, if he had two of him-- - Yeah. - And then they both hit their both best shots. - Yeah. - And played me, then I would still be them. - You'd still be us. - Yeah. - Okay, and if you win, then you have to entertain those girls that we're sending you stuff. And if we win, you have to entertain those girls. (laughing) - All right, guys, as you know, we're back in the lab this fall, getting the hour ready. This weekend will be at a levity live up in NYAC. Thank you guys for selling out the shows. Then October 23rd and 24th will be at Indianapolis, Indiana. Then November 6th and 7th will be in Birmingham, Alabama. Then we're gonna be November 13th, 14th Cleveland. Thank you guys for selling those out. Then December 4th and 5th at Raleigh. Thank you for selling those out. And then will be the 7th, 11th and 12th in Columbus, Ohio. We will see you guys there. Thank you so much, dangershows.com for tickets. - I'm also on the road, great news. Plano, Texas in October, Chandler, Arizona in October, and then November, we're going to Pasadena, California, San Diego and in December, I'm going to Detroit, and January, Salt Lake City. I will see you guys all there. Thanks so much for coming out. - Since you've been like a famous fighter, has anybody ever had a confrontation with you? Or are you too famous where people don't know that now? Or people avoid that now? - So it takes two to tango, I just avoid conflict. My number one rule is avoid conflict. - Really? - Yeah. I'll be wrong on purpose. - But you don't see-- - I know ego. - Really? - I don't need to prove myself. - So somebody's like chatting shit at a bar or just being like annoying, and you'll be like, "Okay, good." - If somebody don't, so like I don't go to bars, like I don't really go into, I don't put myself in those settings, so that those things can't happen. But the only time I would do so, like I really think that I would just walk away. - Yeah. - That's a non-gauge, a boy conflict. But if someone was being disrespectful to like somebody that's weaker than themselves, it can't protect themselves. - You would step. - Then that would, yeah. So that's why I don't go to public places, so that that doesn't happen. 'Cause then I will have to. And I don't want to kill somebody on the next one, so. - No, that's good. Where does this discipline come from? - No, he said on accent. (laughing) - Like you have this like insane discipline. And like I think now people get it, I think like earlier in your career, they saw you out there, and they thought it was just all wild man antics, and they didn't know that there was, you know, strategy behind it. But like, this discipline starts young. Yeah, you know, like you're an all-American wrestler. You don't do that just by like having freakish ethics. medicability. Yeah, I have to be my parents. I mean, I was terrified of my parents from day one. Wait, why? Because they were such good parents. And when I messed up, I got disciplined. But like you didn't want to let them down? Yeah, I didn't want to let them down. And then I was also scared of like the, you know, being disciplined. Like what? They beat you up or send you to your room or just say, I've definitely got the bell before. I never got spanked and didn't deserve it. Every time I got spanked, I deserved it. Yeah. But yeah, I was, you know, but my parents were such good parents. They were such great examples. So I didn't ever want to disappoint them. Did you get the chunk left off from your mom? Like how mixed it is? No, the tug that came from my non loop path. Too bad. Yeah. Oh, can I pick up with Dustin? Yeah. Dustin. What's up? Yeah, what's up? It's Andrew Schultz. Justin's on on the podcast right now. He told me that you, you're the only golfer in the UFC that might be able to beat him and he didn't even phrase it like that. Might be able to beat him. I mean, I might be able to. He's, he's, what's up? What's up, my boy? But we're talking about he said you're the only one that he respects as a golfer in the UFC. Oh, he's got to because we've been there with Krasabberg before. I didn't say that. But the feeling, the feeling is mutual because the guy is good. He's good. He's nice. He's not just chatty shit. No, he's very good. He's impressive. And he's gotten better. This is the thing about it, man. Look at what the guy does for living. Look at what we do for a living. His ability to lock in. And if he cares about something, enjoys it. The guys, if I want your money on greatness. Yeah. I mean, he told me like since he lost a hunter, him and Hunter played and I think Hunter, you guys four years ago. It was four years ago, but it was four basically 50% of his. Before I knocked out by Max Hallway. Yeah, everything changed after that. When I knocked out by Max Hallway, I woke up a golfer. 200 and 80 out of the years. Is that what you go in? 300 days out here. Jesus Christ. All right. Dustin, we're going to get back to this bottle. Let's you up after. Peace by brothers. I had to come in. You have to 300 one way or another. He's asking if you want to play around tomorrow. Oh, I think so. All right. We're going to set this up. I'll call you later. Bye. Not a tough sell. He's like, you know, I'll play whatever. You're pleased to read. Why do you already am playing tomorrow, which I think is a problem? Is there any like golf injury that affects training? Golfers elbow. Do you? I have got it that year that I got knocked out by Max Hallway, will go for golf 300 days a year or, you know, the that calendar year after that. Yeah. And yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. I didn't think it was possible. But you, I remember you said once that after the knockout, you said, I can't ever let my parents see me like that again. You have this. It's something I kind of relate to. Like I'm very grateful for my parents. And I remember even as a kid, like wanting, just not wanting it. Like if I did something bad, I felt guilty that they would feel like they raised me poorly. Yeah. Then I didn't do a good job to honor them or something. My parents led by example. Yeah. And so, like, yeah, same. Yeah. So like, but that being your first reaction, like I can't let my folks. So it's never about like what the public will think of me or what my ego needs to be satisfied. Well, I mean, yeah, never. I've never never thought or cared. I kind of, I want people to, you know, like to watch me, you know, perform. I love entertaining people. I love showing off. I understand this is entertaining business. I really enjoyed fighting people. But none of that matters. None of that means, you know, I appreciate it, but it's not like I think about that for a good better night. Like what people will think about me. Most people are scared when they fight of being like embarrassed. But I, you know, when I came in, I said, I'm going to get knocked out. And so I've never felt shame. Like I never want to feel shame after the neckhull would fight. Interesting. There wasn't like, there wasn't ever concern or embarrassment or it's like, is this going to be my last fight? Nothing like that. No, I said, I've done this to 20 people. It was bound to happen. Like, yeah, it's like going in with that expectation. It's kind of even bringing it back to the Ilya thing. Like Ilya had probably never processed that that might happen to him. And in real time, you're imposing your will on him, however you want. And he's having to come to grips with that. And you go into every fight going, yeah, I'm like, it knocked out. Yeah, it's going to fucking suck. It's so hard. It's so good. Yeah. Not hard, but like I love the fact that it's hard is good. But he's so tough. He's so dangerous. You know, I'm in danger. Yeah. There's like a respect that you have. Yeah. But then your body, like when you're really in danger, your body does do special things like when you're in a real life and death situation. It's like you, you know, you're getting into car crash and you're like, I'm invincible. And so, you know, you know, the fear is real. The death is really dangerous. And so you go into the adrenaline pumps releases. There's a whole fucking system in a body when danger is real and you're in real danger. And so that he masks that the danger. So then he's so like there. And like a wear of what's actually happening. Me, I commit myself that I like it's, I'm going to die. And so then like when it starts, it's like a tunnel. And then it's like, it's just over laser focus. Yeah, I just locked in almost, almost drown once. I was, I was like surfing. And like the, the leash wrapped around some reef. And I couldn't get back up to the surface. And weirdly in that moment, we're like, I couldn't get up. There was the initial panic of not getting up. And then came the kind of like laser folk like, okay, you have a very small amount of time to figure this out. And I remembered something. A guy told me like months before it was like crazy. All these things were happening. But it wasn't panic. It was panic first. Yeah. The initial fear of can I knock it up? I'm going to die followed by very extreme kind of calm. And I imagine like if that didn't work out, maybe then you go to panic and then you die. But there was a window where like, and is that happening to you in a fight where like you're in a tough situation? Well, that the tough situation is the fight. So the whole time you're in that state. Yes. So it doesn't vacillate if you get hit by a big shot or it doesn't vacillate if you get wobble. Never has never had so interesting. So that's why I'm saying I, I don't have retention. There's no retention information because I mean that you're in that survival state. So cerebral that I don't know. But I don't know. I'm just, I've trained my body and my mind since I was a child to like be comfortable in these situations. Obviously the panic, you know, in the first few fights because the amateur did the panic, you know, stage came. But now that stage isn't there. But it's just, you know, this is coming, prepare yourself, you know, prepare your cardiovascular system, prepare nervous system, and then trust everything and gamble. Can't want it yourself and get it on your side. Do you get into that focus state the moment the bell rings or the moment you take your first shot? Like does your body need to like feel something? No, no, it's just as soon as the fire starts, but it's, but it's, it's also a process like this is something that I, that I'm, you know, I've been seeing myself of every day for like eight weeks, you know. So then when you're also, when you're training, does your body get into that same state? So when I'm training my body, my mind is able to push through because I know what's coming. And you know, you're not in so much danger. And but the danger's not real. So like I'm not like going to like a special place. Got you. Okay. There, because I don't need to. And it's fine. I never allow myself to because my job, my number one going to sparring is to never hurt my partners. And I really expand my, yeah, I don't want to, like, I've never, I've only ever knocked one person out in sparring, but you pay them to try to hurt you. You reward the body shots. I try to hurt their body all the time. Okay. So I'm talking about, I'm talking about TBI conscious. TBI is all that we're ever really talking about. Right. Nothing else is chronic except TBI's TBI's traumatic brain injury. Got it. Got it. So what you're saying is if, are you pulling back punches a little bit in sparring or you just, if you catch somebody good, you're kind of like, so it's crazy how powerful the mind is and like how, how um, how big of a variable intentions are. And so like my intentions in sparring is to like expand my cardiovascular system, like work on timing, work on angles and do not hurt them. And so like when I throw a kick and it gets here, I mean, I'm stopping it. But I'm not like, I'm not like hitting them softer. I'm just like stopping it. Yeah. You know, my body's doing that because my intentions are not to hurt them. And then the fight in my intentions are to hurt them so that it doesn't stop. Right. And that switch is very easy to flip on. What? It's, it's um, the product of the circumstance is like, yeah, that is the environment. Yeah. You said one of the issues against Max was that you didn't feel like it was life or death in the same way. Yeah. Which is so interesting to me. They're like going up against Max. You were like, you said you were like aware of the surroundings. Like you were, yeah, I was just like, normally where it was the, again, it's like a lead-up thing. I was like, this this is going to be awesome. You know, as a UFC 300, it's a special event. But really no repercussions on my talent tensions or, you know, implications. - Right. - So you didn't think the stakes were high enough? - I thought it was for, like so when I say an exhibition, I mean, like when it comes to like rankings and like-- - It's not going to impact where you are and if you're going to get a title next. But a big huge knockout over, you know-- - Well, I didn't think that was going to happen. - Obviously. - I'm saying if you got it, it would be great for you. - Well, I was already going to get the title shot. So yeah, of course I would have been still, I never thought about losing. I never thought about losing, but I also didn't think it would be so detrimental if I lost. - Yeah. - But I also didn't think I would lose. - Right. - Which is the only time I've ever thought that. - Interesting. - Yeah, it was weird. - How do you play yourself into life or death when doing things that aren't life or death? Like when you're golfing, do you still put yourself in that mindset of like-- - No, so that's like emotions. Emotions can only hurt you in moments of like pressure. You know, they can't, they're never going to like really help you. Unless it's like, you know, very like last case scenario, I'm on empty and I need some kind of inspiration. So like I'll think of my kids or my family. You know, outside that, it's like all I can control is, you know, my aim, my swing, you know, pinching my, pinching my arms, having my grip right, falling through and after I touch it, I can't change nothing. I hit it and then I'll never think about it again. And like, so it's just like, focus on, yeah, good, it doesn't matter because I can't change it. I've already done it. Back to the D's done. And so then in fighting, you learn that once you make a mistake, you know, it's too detrimental. You take too big of a shot. It's over. Can't make that mistake ever again. So that's like I'm not going to, you know, that's the, the, the choices you learn from. Yeah. How can you turn off the emotions with fighting, especially with like the trash talking, leading up to the fight and the fact that you have to put yourself in a mindset where it's like, I want to kill this person. How do you remove emotion? Well, I say they want, they want to kill me. So then naturally, you're not trying motivation. Well, they want to kill me. So then naturally, so I don't want to hurt someone. Like, I don't want to hurt people. I human services is my social work. That's what I was going to do. Like, I'd never have enjoyed hurting you. I don't want to hurt people. But what I do is not hurt people. Like, this is a competition. I am competitive. I've seen some of their faces and look at my head. But they're trying to do that to me. And so I think it press a button and trade spots with me than they would. So, so fuck them, you know? Okay. So this is the game that I chose to play. But then how do you turn off the emotions? Emotional. So, when you just enjoy doing it, when you're dappin' something up after a round. Like, is this, have you complete compartmentalized the fact that this person's trying to kill you at the end of that round? Like after the round, we go just like that. Yeah. So at the end of that round, no, good job. Really? Thank you for trying it. Thank you for doing your best for bringing the most effort. You're not bitching out. And how do you do it now when you're inspiring and you're a famous MMA fighter and some of the guys foreign, you probably have looked up to you maybe since they're a kid? They're probably guys that want to prove themselves, but there are other guys that are probably like, man, I don't want to disrespect them by going too hard. Like, how do you get them to really go? So, I'll for them $1,000 to think they job me at the bar shop. Okay. And then they get to pick the intensity. So you let them shake the intensity and then you'll match it. Match it. And then I'm but or if they, if they're being a bitch and not going there, but I'm always trying to touch your bodies in your legs. So I'll kick their leg really hard. Really? Yeah. And then if they don't kick me back harder, then I'll kick him harder. Is there like it? Is there? Because if you're not, because if I can't bring that out of you, then you need to go get a job right now. Exactly. Because you're not going to be. Yeah. It's not going to be helpful for you for training. Yeah. Like, how can you even ever come to this? How can you ever be here? A version where like a kid is looking at you and you're like, they're like, this is my favorite fighter. This is something that I've looked up to for the last fucking 10 years. I'm actually a little nervous to be in a ring with him and I want to show him some respect. Even though I do want to prove to him that I can really fight, is there ever a kid where you got to be like, Hey, I know you're fucking talented. Can you let it go in there? I can handle myself like, um, or guys in this game, not like that. You see, I would, I would, again, use, I would try to push them there through the, through the round. Yeah. You know, I would, I wouldn't beat them up, but I would like pull on their head. I would try to touch their liver, I'd kick their leg. Yeah. You know, I'd be pushing it like bullying them to get them to play where they got to show it. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. What the fuck are you doing here? Okay. Like a bitch. Okay. Okay. And then I would never go with him again. But my environment now is very controlled always by your coach, by me and my coach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I only spar with people I know that are going to push me got it and try to beat me up pretty much. And then I have fresh guys coming in all the time, you know, all the time when I'm close to the fight right now. No, no, because I'm not in shape enough to, to do that. No, but when you're a camp, yeah, is, you think there's anybody that actually like blends all the aspects of MMA and they're striking like you do? It's hard to say that and not say anything about this and not sound conceited. You're the champ, bro. You're not even being conceited. It's like, there's actual evidence that you're the best. Yeah. Like my coach, the way he teaches the way that I learned is so foreign to like what people imagine this poor is also like, um, like I don't think about the violence with the physical illness. It's like about controlling feet and creating angles and controlling distance and constantly doing like line drills and feet work and foot drills. And that's how my coach teaches and that's how I've learned to fight. And then the ferocity needs to be natural, you know, look, they have like dense bones, but it's like, I'm an athlete, so I need to like be an athlete in there and it's like faking someone out like one way is the same as a football, like sometimes it's all, it's all just about being an athlete. And so I was like an incredible athlete, you know, and my coach is so good at, and so my technique is like so chaotic, but it's so controlled. Like it's all, it's all controlled. I don't even think it's that chaotic. I remember earlier fights where I thought it was chaotic, but especially in the last one, everything felt very methodical. And I think there's a difference between like banging and being chaotic. There are certain guys where in their moments in a fight where you both just kind of like sit down, bite on the mouth guard and like, there was two, two of those, I saw, I saw, yeah. But like, I don't know, there's this thing that I kept seeing you doing, I was telling you before, but like incorporating wrestling faints in the striking and incorporating, like, I mean, DC was calling it out in the fight, but, and I've seen some wrestling guys like maybe like fake for a single or something like that. Well, I mean, just did it. I mean, just got a big knock out with it. I mean, it was, that was great. What do you mean by using a wrestling fain? So you could speak more like, yeah, so like whatever I attack your legs, obviously, first line of defense is head, hands, hips. So when I attack your legs, you're going to, you know, go like this. And that's allowing me for that allows me, for me, I was getting to the car tie and then they go hip-south. And then that opens up space right through here. And that's where the uppercut is being super effective. And then once the uppercut's effective, then they're going to obviously pull away from it. So it's, then you just come on the top with it, but it's the same, same movement. And it's all the same mechanics just throwing a ball. I was a pitcher. I was a quarterback. And just punching is throwing a ball, it's the same mechanics. Now it's just about weight distribution. What do you mean? I mean, not if you're throwing a straight right, maybe if you're looping it. Same thing. Same thing. It's like the same thing comes from the ground. Oh, the hip. Yeah. Yeah. It's the mechanics. Yeah. Yeah, especially like a football. Same thing. Yeah. That's our overhand, right? Yeah. Yeah. But the baseball of straight right. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's just like, because it's baseball, I mean, the straight right is like this. Boom. Turning it over. Like this. Yeah. It's coming. Yeah. Especially when it's coming from cookie of a beer, like a beer mug, here's like never, never spilling the beer. Yeah. Boom. There was something I saw you say where like you specifically were throwing punches to tear skin to peel their face open, peel their face open. Yeah. How? So you're actually trying to, but I'm not, I mean, I'm trying to fucking cause damage. Yeah. The only way to shut someone's eyes off is to cause a shake. It's not blunt force. I get this really hard to like hit you and you take a swear and you're not going to go sleep. It has to be some kind of shake. Like when Omar got hit there, then he got hit in the neck and you know, it's this shake here. Yeah. I was a freak. They're all freak knockouts. Yeah. Cause it's like golf. You swing at the same time. One time it goes 300 every, you know, every time the time it goes 200 it's the same fucking swing. Sometimes they go to see most times they don't. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. How much talking is happening, like you and the opponent, like for Elliott, for example, Are you guys-- talking. No. I said one word. Was he saying anything? I don't. I wouldn't recognize it because I have no thoughts. So like you have to, if I heard something, like I'll intuitively hear my coach because he's at every scene or one of my spawn sessions and he's always saying the same things, the same trigger words. And I'm intuitively reacting to those things. If you watch the fight, it's pretty much like he has a control on his hand. Really? Yeah. Like, it's kind of crazy. Are you throwing what he's asking you to throw in real time? It's again, or you guys, my coach doesn't teach how to throw things. It's about position. It's like back foot. So when he says back foot, that means like he's doing it because he's whatever I give him a face, he's going here. And then when he goes here, that's when he can jab him or when his back foot comes here is when I need to jab him. Why is that? Because he can't move back. Because he can't be lateral here. He has to reset once he's on his back foot. And once he's here, he has to reset to here. So he's calling out fee positions that are daily as the opponent. And you already know the natural reactions. And then I see it and I'm like, oh, boom. Holy shit. But you're not listening and like interpreting it's just like going through. I'm just hearing, I'm just heard back foot. And I didn't even know I heard it, but then I'm like, there it is. Boom. Is there ever a time where he calls some shit? You do it. Then you get hit and you look at him like, no, I've never heard him like, I've never heard him. It's just like to let it go. You're both processing the same information. So every single sparring session, like hundreds and hundreds of them, he has been there watching me and he's been making the same adjustments, like intuitively. And it's through like one word, one or two words, like in their triggers. And it's very specific positions and like, like crash, crash would mean do not go backwards at all, do not retreat. You know, worst case scenario, put your head through his head or through his chest. That would be like, like, he's pushing backwards. You're retreating too much. And it's actually safer to jam your head in his chest. Then allow him to continue to dictate pace forward. Yeah, you have to create. So again, physics, like it's two objects, you know, if they have the same mask, same way, it's the moment the most force. And the one moving forward is going to have the most force. And if you're trying to retreat away from something, you have zero force moving in that direction. And so there's no way to match that force. So you have to go forward. And that's why I say the champ has moved forward. But one, it's, it's making that it's dictating the pace. Yeah. It's, you know, you're, they're either going to, uh, to stand there and fight. And then you can, you know, take advantage of angles and like those, uh, half shots to uppercuts. Yeah. Or they're going to retreat, and retreat, retreat, retreat, and then they're tired. They look like something in this where like it looked like he was timing your jab and look like you fake stepped into a jab. Like it looks like, I don't know how to describe it. I've seen people faint, but it looked like you fainted with your foot and then delayed through it. Was that that one too? The one I had? Yeah. Well, no, not, not the one later. This was like in the first round. It looked like he was timing your jab with like an overhand right. And then I don't even know if this is the version of it. Yeah, it looks like you like, yeah, he started, he started kind of, yeah. And then once he goes, I just leave it there. It's a great distance and make it harder for him. He can't get over the shoulder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so that was my, and that's why I move it left. Cause oh, so everyone runs away from his right hand because it terrified. And he's so pointed that he can take off sprinting to his left at any moment with like one step. You know, it's just left to go right till that way. He has to use both feet to be interesting. So you, so moving one or two inches to the left to the left is where the mom and then he can't throw, he can't, he can't, he can't hear me square. And I'm getting him into a square position. So square left. And yeah, good job. You rolling with it, you know, Bruce Lee said, be like water. Like you're so loose. What's so weird. So you feel like a lot of those weren't landing as they weren't. They're connecting technically but you're moving. They're like touching me with like this. Right. Instead of like, he's taking her like, where? Straight off. Yeah. Yeah. It's straight lines of energy. You know, my, I'm trying to create, to dissipate the straight line of energy, not through my body. I'm trying to send it straight lines to his legs, to his, to his body and to his face. You see this with a lot of like great defensive boxers, especially guys who use like the Philly shell where they kind of like would roll with everything. And yeah, boxing is great. Here it's dangerous because we changed her in the head. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, would you ever do any of that celebrity boxing stuff? Well, I hope I never have to do any of that. Not. I'm just saying later in your career. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't, when I'm done, I'm done. This box is more dangerous than what I do. You think? Yeah. The repeated punishment. Yeah. I've seen that. I've heard that already. I mean, look at the statistics. No. Yeah. Not true. That is true. Not true. Someone died in Ireland. That look up the circumstances. Oh, there was something. I don't know. Look, I'm saying look up the circumstances because I don't think it happened because of the fight. I could have been a pretty just like predisposed medical physician. God, it was exposed. But it wasn't like damage to the brain. God. It wasn't swelling to the brain. It wasn't a TBI that caused the death. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or it wasn't a strike to the body, either. Also, the idea with boxing where they let you get back up. Usually cause thinking, you're not down around two. You know, and who knows if how bad or severe the TBI is, we are already warriors. We're going to choose fight every time instead of flight. So just naturally get back up. Then, you know, you go around three, around four, around five, and just take kind of like someone can cut some blows, but not necessarily. You drop the unit around six. Yeah. So the swelling or bleeding that should have happened or whatever is getting exasperated upon the whole time. Yeah. And then they they just go sleep. They don't even, it's not you've seen it. But that's it. They're like, they're going to be throwing up. Yeah. But they're pain or scared. Yeah. It's crazy. But that was if you were finding like real boxes. But if you find somebody like Jake Paul, like you don't thank you, because they go, well, I mean, so he's a two or just a two or 20 pound man. Yeah, but he could, he could throw his Jake Paul. Oh, Jake Paul's nasty. Jake Paul Kimbox. Wow. So you say you can't take it? No. That's what you say. You can't take it. Yeah. But think he does. You know that's not real fighting. That's what I'm saying. Wait, it's not real fighting? No. How is it real fighting if you're limiting them to what they can do and use? Well, there are limitations in MMA. Well, I can't do what's done by your dick or gouge your eyes, which is an effective thing in a real fight. Yeah, I guess. So like, yeah, the street file would kill him. Now, I'm talking to the little little I got to break for a second. Can we be honest? Dog food is one of those things nobody ever questions. You just grab the bag, pour it in the bowl and assume it's good. 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It's fighting Evluev. That's sick. He's in the movie. Was he on set with you? Yeah. You guys are chilling? Yeah. Ash was there and everything. Oh, that's sick. Yeah. That's dope. That's sick. He's just a man. We did a like a whole we watched the fight at this bar. Like I did this little thing at this bar where everybody came and he cooked. But he actually cooked. Yeah, because he does cooking with Volk. I love that he's actually about the cooking. Oh, he lives on like a ranch where he can like hunt animals. He's got a video of him like making steak and then he sees a deer and they're like, let's go get it. Like, that's fire. Yeah. He's just the fucking man. Uh-oh. Well, he's going up against an undefeated Evluev. Yeah, but his Volk, man. There's Volk. I think Volk got it. I think Volk got it. Well, he's the favorite on Calcium right now. Yeah. What is the nut? What does Calcium have on that? Got him a 57% chance. Yeah. I think. Oh, they got him. And then Evluev is 45. And then John Sylv is at 3%. Did you see him pull out any moves during street fighter? Maybe some new shit? Oh, a Hadookin. No. I don't want to give anything. Oh, I'm not going to give nothing away. So I'm saying, I'm not trying to give no nothing away. It's more. October 16th. Um, but now he's eat crushed and he was like, he was actually like funny in it. Like is, uh, I don't want to give it away. But he was, yeah, he was, we were, you know, their base were like, live up the bogate. Like go bogate. No full bogate in it. And he left bogate. Was it hard for him to do? He had a really dig deep. I thought, I think they thought it was hard. I told them before I was like, dude, he did this comedy sketch where he like pretends to be an old man. And he's like a good actor. Yeah. I sent him. I was like, he's, he's funny. Like he, he knows that act. And like, he was doing shit that they weren't even asking. Like he's like flirting with the girls that are in the stands as he walks in for his fight. And like saying funny things to him. And I was like, oh, shit. You fire. Most people when they go and said they're like, uh, what should I do? Tell me what to do. And I'll do it. And he's just walking. Hey, that darling. That's probably what's going on in his head before a fight anyway. And now he doesn't have to actually. And now he gets the chance to actually do it. Yeah, he's a fucking man. That's awesome. Yeah. Shut up, Volk. Volk, you got this, my boy. Get this. And then you get them. We were just retiring and being actor. Yeah. And do food content. I'm pulling for Volk, but fighting these guys. Like this guy's another my guy, my man, my nag a Medov. Like I was looking at his new name. And it's like another Dagestani Cheshire name. Yeah, they just sound like a dinosaur or whatever. I think that's what Kurt Messker said about the Boston bombers. They sound like. Yeah, they sound like something that is whatever. I think that's his joke that I'm butchering. Sorry, Kurt. But it's like in Abu Dhabi, it's not easy. But we saw, we've seen a couple of these guys go out. We saw Kamara fight. I just don't see anybody choking out Volk. So eventually it's going to be on the feet. So and I don't know enough about Evela's game. If he can strike, but if, if, if it's going to be on the feet, then I think, I think Volk's going to make it happen. I hope you're right. I'm pulling for Volk. He's a man. We love you Volk. Volk got it. All right. Let's get back to the show. How about play poker? Yeah, I know. I don't. I refuse to play poker. Why? Because if I want to lose money in a casino, it's not going to be just somebody that can fall into the parking lot and take it back from. It's going to stay there. But would you gamble against Bruno and wrestling, for example? Yeah, he knows yes. Anything. Hey, yeah. But do you got him in wrestling? It's not, I feel like it's like everybody in the room is like at the highest level, you know? So yo, you'll get like points scored or things like that. But yeah, brothers did what fucking kill me. Like if we had to do a fight, it's got to be something Bruno can beat you at. I don't know what he did. And I'm going to fuck it. He got like kids. Get you way more customers than me. Get more customers. He's always a business. He's a he's a businessman. What's your business? Our own a tech company. It's called Hummingbird. So it's a LinkedIn automation for the financial services industry. So like financial advisors, like Wolf managers, they use our tool. So how do you connect with? How do you connect with this guy? He's the rest of the training. So I hope we have like an open wrestling practice on Thursday. Right. And we just pop it. Yeah. And he come with art. He was already. He was a couple of my teammates. So I mean, now it's been a long time at this point. It's been like, now he's fine. He's here with two fights. Yeah. Wait. I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. I want me to. Wait. Hold on. He's got a business. He just, he has first fight like four months ago. Yeah. Yeah. He had two. He had two fights in the last one. What happens? Do I got three kids? I'm careful. You live in a white house. It's a bit of amateur and I just doesn't make sense. I'm alive. It's a long time. I've a life time for a two night in Taekwondo, a wrestled jujitsu. Yeah. And it's kind of one of those things. That's how I like see life. That's how I breathe is by like having that exercise. You know, that discipline, that thing that keeps you on track. So I'm training anyways. Yeah. So it's like two years, three years, three years you've come in just just to waste the at a ping pong team. I was like the Brazil national champion. Do you know how to play ping pong? Look where I just hit to this. So these guys are stupid. Who? At my gym. They all want to play me in something. So they don't want to bet money. So they're like, okay, we're playing ping pong. So every point you get to get to hit the ball at them. You never played ping pong? No. You got to take your shirt off. You pelting your shirt off. Really? Yeah. No. That's crazy. That looks like a paintball shot. Bro, you're doing that with a six smallpox. Can we put that stick afterwards? We got to put down the screen. That's crazy. Okay. So are you good at ping pong? I'm all right. I mean, you see the welds for a couple of points. I'm not great at ping pong. Okay. Not. Okay. I wouldn't be as confident being a ping pong and say like cornhole or horseshoes or-- Batchi ball? Batchi? I wouldn't be as confident, but I would play you much. I just want to see him lose. I want to see what you're like when you're losing at like a recreational activity. And I want to see you. I'm good. I love to see good things happen to people. I do. I do. It came no way. He's just happy when he loses. No. You can't be this competitive. He's just so aggressive. No. He wants to know that. It's like Jordan. Yeah. He'll be like, no, run it and you'll probably stay there for-- So you won't let someone go that way? No, I will. But I mean, the number one rule in life is you have to give a man a chance to win his money back. So they have to give me at least one chance. And then what if for the next time you guess what? They can leave. They can leave. They can leave. No, nothing. No attachment. No. The next time. Next time. Yeah. Yeah. I don't let anybody control how I think or feel ever. Except mom and dad. Well, they have a lot of influence. Yeah. But they don't get to control it. They don't get to control it. Could your mom and dad call you like right now and just be like, hey, you've been on the road too many weeks. Get back home. We want to see you. I would, well, no. No, because for one, I won-- we won some of my Mexican Heritage Family Award. So I have to go home this week. I'm going home for my mother. Yeah. I get to go home for two days, tomorrow, today, today. I get to go home. Yeah. Home Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, and then I'm gone. Then I got a family reunion coming up there. Someone home for that. And then I do a golf tournament and there was only coming up. Yeah. So I got three chips coming up. So you want to see them? Yeah. Yeah. Well, then they come up to my parents come every fight. They come for one week, about two weeks before the fight they'll come. Oh, it's a camp? Yeah. To my house. To my house, stay at my house for a week. We'll do the cook for all my coaches and their families. And they'll do all my laundry and like kind of home weekend. They're a part of the prep in a way. Yeah. They, she comes, my mom comes, I pick, picks up all the loose, change that. And that's two weeks out. Two, three weeks out they'll come for a week. And are you still on diet? Or will you eat a little bit that week? Well, no, my chef comes and cooks them food too. No, but your mom's not throwing down. And she's not cooking you stuff from childhood. No, no. So like, for the party, no cook. So we had like, we just made beans rice. And what we do at home is barbecue. So it's like a roast. I know. Yeah. Yeah. In a roaster. Yeah. Massive amounts. And that's what we did for the party. How much of having a twin brother inspire the competitiveness? Oh, I mean, all of it. But luckily, it comes to my, my, both of my parents are incredibly competitive as well. Yeah. So it's the whole family. Yeah. And how are they competitive? They want to win. But like, what were you seeing? They don't want to look like, like arguments, no one ever wanted to lose. Like he did no matter what it was. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. Yeah. Like ping pong. My mom would be playing someone that's like disabled and she'd be fucking, what? She can't go to the left. Do you play like she's competitive? She wants to win. Like family but not only night. Like bowling night. We have to take different cars because we're We're not going, we're not leaving in the same village. - One team goes in that car. - One team goes over there. - Wow. - And how does the team usually divide it? - Ramboon. - It's just Ramboon. - You and your mom, your brother and your dad. - And my sister. - And your sister. - Yeah, okay. - And now I got, like a 14 year old nephew, who's a fucking beast, so he can compete with us in anything now. - Uh huh. - Is the competitiveness. - Yeah, he's had it down. - It sucks, 'cause you're gonna do what I do, and I don't want him to do it. - Oh, he likes, uh, he likes fighting. - No, no, this is not ever what I plan on doing. Ever want some of a whole life. I was a wrestler. - Yeah. - I was a wrestler, I went to college, wrestling government college. - Yeah. - I was gonna be working in the mines, like everybody else from where I'm from. - You did for a little bit of time. - I worked in for a summer, before I left the college. - Yeah. - And. - It was working. - Yeah, I worked 14 hour days, seven days a week. - Yeah. - It was an hour driving, 12 hours of work. - Yeah. - 68 days straight, it left the college with like $11,000. - But that was rich. - Yeah. - It was gone for, I was like, "Oh, which, which you, how many bitches want Taco Bell?" (laughing) - I got it. - I got it. - And it was gone fast, immediately. - Yeah. - So they grinded you with the mine. - Yeah, I was the bitch of the crew. - Well, yeah, it was cool. - Is it true that you need to take a day off to wrestle? Like, do you work like-- - I took one day, he's a guy, I took one day straight. - I took 68 days straight. I took one day. - Fuck. - And I was like, I have to do that, I think. - It's a copper mine? - Copper mine. And I was part of a crew. So in the copper mine is 24, 7, 365. You know, there's a lot of people on, they're always on different kind of like schedules. Some people work five and two, eight hour days. Some people work 12, most of them work 12 hour days. They usually work 15 days a month and they're off 15 days a month. - So would they stay on the mine? - They might work three days and they're off one day and they work five days and they're off three days and they work three days and they're off seven days. They might work four days off five days, on five days off four days. - It's like being a fireman. - The town where the mine is, Marins, he's where I lived in my first four years. My parents both went to school there. Every house, every building is owned by the mine. And so you have to work for the mine in order to be able to live in these houses. - Wow. - And you rent from the mine. And it's really like $500 a month probably. Back in the day, it's probably like $20 a month when my parents were there. - So you're almost living rent free. - You're almost living pretty much everything you have in the market. - Yeah, and you go to the grocery store, you put it on your, put it on the company number. - So the whole thing. - And they take it out of your check. - It's like being on an army base so much. - Yeah, he's like the whole entire thing. - Oh wow. - Exactly that. - Was there a new guy hazing? Like if you were the lowest wrong on the ladder, did they make you do shit? - Oh, so what I was getting at is they, so like there's a bunch of dump trucks and some people work on, some people work on dump trucks. It's the only way a dump truck is down are they working. When everything's not, when everything's running, they're, you know, seeing their playing cards, you know, bullshitting. I was part of a crew that had a job to tear down a shovel, transport it and rebuild it. So we were like working all day every day. So my job wasn't necessarily like my dad's where he wasn't working. He was working to our shift, but he might be working four hours one day, eight hours one day, two hours one day. - Right. - You know, he's not putting in like all day every day. - But they reminded you. But me, yeah, I was fucking, I'm going pitch black. It was crazy. - Really? - Yeah, it was crazy. - Are they pictures of that? That'd be a little bit. - There are pictures. I don't know where they're at, but they're pictures. - That's hilarious. - My mom probably got them. - Yeah. - Wait, all right. - So they do the summer and then you're like, I got to be a division one. - Well, that's how I was going to college. - Yeah. - In August. And so I was like, I want to make money before I go to college. - Yeah. - My dad got me a job in the mine. - Yeah. - Before I left. And then to you like, it's crazy. Like I used to ask this guy to use his top of deal. - Yeah. - And make it your own fucking house house. Am I just fucking a hot sauce? - Yeah. - And now I get you. It was like just bring your own fucking house house foot. - Yeah. - It just, yeah, I was just, that was 18 years old. They're like, give me right back here. I was like, no, I won't. - Oh, you knew right there. I'm not, I'm not working a month. - Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't know. I was like, I'm not, I'm going to do everything again. Not to find something else out. - Yeah. And your brother never wanted to wrestle or never wanted to do any things. - You know, he started working in the mines and got married and had four daughters. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, so yeah. And my sister, she wanted to get married in high school, but my parents made her way. She got, she graduated high school. Got married, had two kids right away. And then now the kids are 14 and 13. And then she went to college at like 24. Came a nurse and now she delivers babies all day. She did it the right way, actually, because her kids are gonna be out of the house by the time she's like 39 and then she's free. And then they're free, yeah. So that's probably not the worst way to do it, but all she wanted to do, she was, they were terrible with her and her husband, terrible with school, they just wanted to have kids. So yeah, that's what they did. - And your parents, were they pushing you to go to college? Like were they like, yo, there's something bigger out here like. - No, no, they were, there was always my dream. Like whatever I wanted, they were like so supportive. - Yeah. - But that was like the goal from day one. So they never had to convince me that I needed to leave. - If it wasn't fighting, what do you think you would be doing? - I feel like it needs to be hiding the art. - I mean, I don't know. I mean, I think I would just school for human services. I truly don't think, I think I was always gonna be here. So I can't imagine myself being or doing anything else. But like human services social work was my plan. I think I probably would have been like a police officer and like on a SWAT team or something like that. - Yeah, on a SWAT team. - Yeah, like something like high intensity and like high risk. - Military like that. I mean, I guess if I never fought and in wrestle and like I didn't have that, you know, ambitions to go to college and like pursue wrestling at a higher level, then I probably would have went to the military. - Was it hard to stay disciplined in college? - Well, yeah, I mean, I haven't always been, yeah, I've made a ton of mistakes. - Really? - Thank God this was always coming for some reason and like I've been so strong in my faith my whole life. So I knew that there was something like I had to like do. And so even when I like was almost addicted to drugs, I was like, no, like that's not worth it. - Oh, you felt there was something bigger. Something bigger for, I can't let this become my life because there's something else. - Was that you having that discussion with yourself? - Well, part of it was that and part of it was not ever letting my parents think that they failed. - I get that because that's-- - Because that's-- - What drugs did you know mommy actually? - Mostly uppers, but then downers. (laughing) - They just like, you know what I mean? - Yeah, all the fun ones, the fun ones that we do in college. - And so that drug time was only during college like it didn't last at all after? - It was a little bit after college and then I had a scare. And then I was like, if I ever, my parents do not deserve this. So like I'll never touch it again. - Oh, wow. And so did you stop drinking also? - I've never been a drinker. - Really? - I drink, I got a half drinker. - I was getting German and his little drinker. - I don't want kids to like smoke, but I'm a piehead when I smoke weed, so. - Okay. - Oh, you just prefer smoking overdrive? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I prefer, I don't think I'm better than anybody 'cause I don't drink. I'm just a piehead. - Gotcha, okay. - Helps me eat, sleep, rest. Helps my mind, you know, stay calm. I think it is the reason why I've never killed somebody, so there's a lot of good things. (laughing) - That's a joke. (laughing) - The Mexicans have the best nicknames. Did you have a nickname when you were a kid growing up? Like, did they call you something? - Wettel. - It's just Wettel, Wettel. - Wettel, Quattes. - What is Quattes? - Twins. - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause we're the twins. - Yeah, yeah. So it's around town. - Quattes, it's not like my, in my family. My around town, like none of my friends spoke Spanish. They didn't teach any of us Spanish, but my grandmother, my none, I didn't speak any English. They dropped me off at her house every morning. I'd be there, you know, all day. And we would communicate in short senses, and she would feed me, and feed me, and love me. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was great. - Is she still with us? - No. - Oh, sorry. - No, actually her and my Tata, her husband, they were married 64 years. He died, and then she died four days later. - Wow. - The amount of stories I've heard with a similar situation. - Yeah, she's like, I'm done. She stopped eating, she's like, I'm out. - Wow. - Wow. - And I was like, you know, it was crazy. - How long ago was this? - Probably almost two years now. - Wow. - Two, two, three years, yeah. - So that, okay, so she-- - That was beautiful. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was kind of cool. - That's why my mom was broken by my mom to go to church every day, almost. But every Sunday, like, your faith has to play a part here. 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But she knows that I love what I'm doing. And she knows that I'm literally like, I've been like, she, they raised me for this. Yeah. And they trust me in these situations. So now that you have a nephew that's interested in fighting, can you start to imagine what your parents must have felt like throughout your career? Well, that's not hard to imagine because I have really good friends that fight. That's true. But it's different when it's your good friend and when it's your experience like a little baby and like, yeah, changes diapers now. He's fighting. I mean, I don't know how the feeling could be any more intense than it has been for people that I care about already. Yeah. Like, it's just, there's, there's a max where it's like, oh, fuck. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I, I think when you have kids, yeah, I don't have to, I want to write a book. I want to write a book for parents from a child's perspective. Because I don't have children yet. And I can still like, and be like, well, my parents were from me and why you need to be that for your kids. Well, we're the leaders. That by example, I didn't ever try to be my best friend. Always hold me accountable. Always, always kept me on track. My mom drug tested me like two times a week as a kid all through high school. For weed or something like that? For weed, cocaine, for, I'm from Stafford. Can you pull up a map where Stafford was on his? So she's drug testing twice a week. Was it a, why was there like a lot of drugs in the community? Yeah. So go out, go out and see how close we are in Mexico is so. It's too far. Yeah. Right there. Yeah. There's some. So right there, the board is right there. The New Mexico's like 30 miles. So like, just, there's a 10,000 that mountain where it's curfews that is 10,700 foot. But it's just everything's running off through here. And there's just a lot of drugs. And also like, my in town's can kind of be like that. And, and, and, and we need somebody's Friday. Yeah. And we have nothing. It's high speed limit in that town is 35. The what? Highest speed limit in that town is 35. Everyone's going like 32. And somebody's weekend, you know, because everyone's on shift work. That's right. Yeah. That was some Friday. When you're getting paid pretty well. Yeah. There's a lot, it's a lot of money and nothing to do. No, it's not no education, but no knowledge on how to take care of money. So they got toys and the work is hard. Big trucks. And then you can't take it with you when they work for it. And so yeah. Yeah. It's like, they're like very frugal, but like, they love toys. Well, you gotta do something to distract yourself. We got their sand dunes out there. Yeah. We, we have to be like in high school. We're out. Spotlighting for rabbits at night, having bumpires. It's a different life. Yeah. Different life being that close to the border. Did you ever see like, your drugs or cartels, like cartels stuff? Any of that? Well, so, you wouldn't see it like visually, but like, would you know what's going on? Like, yeah. Well, like, my friends, yeah, would probably be part of that. And you never thought about like, oh, let me make a little extra money. I always, my, I have amazing friends too. And they did a good job. Even my friends that could have. Give me anything I wanted. Didn't let me. Oh, really? They kept you away from it. Oh, wow. Did they do that because they saw you having talent and you're like, this kids can make out. No, I don't think that I was going to make it out, but like, also, I always was like so disciplined towards sports. And so even though I was crazy, and I wanted to have fun, like, nothing superseded sports in my dedication to that. So like football season, you're locked in. Yeah, football season. Yeah. Yeah. And they all, and they all knew that. Could you played baseball, you think professionally? I never really got to play baseball because I was always blind. Oh, I've read this. I was blind. And I had you were sitting in one. I am far. Yeah, I'm going this. You just jump like boom, boom, boom, boom. And so I got a hard, like, baseball wasn't my best sport. So wrestling's perfect. Check it out. I was the quarterback in football. He remember the flexi Nike classes. Oh, yeah. I put my helmet on and I've sticked my glasses in that bit. Dude, I've got to do. Hold on. You had bifocals under the helmet. Yeah. Wow. So you get the eye surgery. Yep. What is seeing? Like, dude, it's crazy. I go to Arizona and I stop at the stop sign and I look to my right and I see like, um, gnats hovering over the sidewalk. You've never seen him before. And then I was driving. I saw a mouse like scamper across the street. I was like, this is fucking crazy. I don't know. I'm missing everything. Does fighting change for you? Um, no, not really. But do you think that like you? I think I think it was luck. I was lucky to have to learn to fight blind. That's what I'm wondering. Like if it gave you a more feel for the person that you are with in a predictability. Exactly. Instead of like, I'm seeing it and reacting knowing what they'll throw before they're even throwing it because you really couldn't see shit. Yeah. Whoa. But then how you gave you distance if you're near side farther. Yeah. But I mean, I obviously wasn't blind. I could see. No, but like, but definitely. Yeah. That's like that was the issue was the depth, the depth thing. I wonder if it gives you an advantage at an early point. You know what I mean? Like you're attuning a lot more. You're like reading different things a lot of words. Yeah. Yeah. I think, but I think also, I mean, there's a dead that wrestling. There's a lot of things in my life that I've mentally done that don't make sense to have got me ready for like fighting. For example, like, um, like when we're driving down the road, like this makes no sense. Like there's a shadow cast across the road. I have to like blink when the shadows in between the tires. Like I was trying to work on my like, like fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire. So you're trying to work on your time in my reaction times and my timing. Like you're trying to blink in between shadows in between the tires. Yeah. I was trying to find an insulin. I'm trying to decree like no hesitation ever in my action. Guys, you question about a counter-punching thing. Yeah, when you're countering. right? Like, let's say you're just, you're countering a jab or whatever it is. Are you actually waiting for the punch to be thrown or are you thinking of the counter before the punch has been released? No, their body is telling you it's coming. So when you hear this, this, this like, oh, he's got his timing. You hear this a lot of time commentators. Oh, he's figured out his timing, he's figured his distance. The timing that has been figured out is not like the punch is out and you're reacting. You're seeing me plant or you're seeing some sort of positioning that's queuing that I'm going to throw this jab. Yeah. Yeah. So like, there's a video, there's a video where it talks about how I, I am, I'm, I'm punching on the setup. On the other guy's setup. On their setup. And usually people counter, a counter, when you think of counter, it's when they're done punching. But I'm countering their, like, their setup. So what is queuing you in the setup? What is triggering it? What is the tell that they have? So like, um, and when he's, when he's about throw a jab, his back foot's coming here. So when he's, he's back foot, he steps back to throw it, you, you're, in order to throw a jab, they're either going to push off this thing and throw or they're going to try to get space to catch you and then drive. So the second, you see the second, you see the back. So I see this, I know in that punch. Boom. So you, you, you go to the jab me. Boom. So in between your setup, I like to counter. It's like, I trust my A to B. I trust that my A to B is faster than your A to B. I trust that my blinking in between shadows allows me to not hesitate in that decision. But when, when you're thinking about like, when I'm thinking about like a great counter punch or like a fluid for boxing, for example, I understand it's different. But like, let's just think about time in the same way. Floyd is almost like allowing you to throw the jab and like bring yourself towards him. And then he's coming over the top with that right hand. Yeah. What you're saying is you're hitting it before that jab even comes out as it's coming out or as it's coming out. And you think that you could beat them to the punch. Like say somebody he doesn't want to engage, right? And you're trying to bring them in. Yeah. Right. And in order for them to bring them in, you have to let them get something off. Or you always want to be the one pushing into them. Yeah, you just push them to the fence. Interesting. And then make them fight. Interesting. Because then they can't go anywhere. Yeah. And that's why they can't do that. That's like not an option. Okay. So here's another thing I keep hearing with you specifically is I don't think people think of you as a one punch knockout guy. Yeah. Okay. Yet there's all these guys that say that you're the hardest puncher they've ever faced. I don't square that side. I don't know. Right? I've tried. I've studied the body, studied the mind. I don't know how some people get knocked out and some people don't. I don't know how 20 Ferguson does again. My best answer I can find is it's the cardiovascular system and it's the ability to provide oxygen to the brain and stay awake. No, I'm saying specifically with you. There are all these guys. They're like the hardest punch I've ever faced is Justin. I think Cabeib said it. Who else says it? Yeah. A few other guys. And it's like, but I don't think people would look at you and go, he's a one punch knockout artist. Like there are certain guys in the UFC that you would go, oh yeah, that's a yeah. But Emmett, for example, would be like a guy that's known as one punch knockout concussive power. Yeah. I mean, it's such a great question. I honestly don't, I don't know. I don't know why there was sleep more. I mean, there's a guy like, well, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think it's just crazy. I think I think a piece of it is. Um, dare mindset. I think the fighters, I think when they fight me, they know that that kind of fight is coming. And so they're like, prepare. So they don't do what aliens is they don't hide from it. They like so prepared for this war and for this chaos. Yeah. And so then, and so I used to like talk shit to people. And then so now I'm like, I don't say anything to anybody because I'm like, I'm not going to give you any inspiration. Like you inspire yourself. Yeah. I can't help you. And because that's what people used to do to me, like save something stupid to me. Yeah. Or on the golf course, say, say I'm going to hit a bad shot. Yeah. And I promise you, I'll be better than it was going to be. Because that's why that's how that's what we do. That's the few. Was there anybody who really annoyed you, like in the fight, build up? Um, no. I mean, Michael Johnson said personal things about my family. I was like, you know, fuck you. I'm going to show you. That was an unbelievable fight. That was a great fight. Uh, James Victor said dumb things, but he was just talking. I was asked, don't shit against the wall. So that just made me look better. But Michael Johnson's the only one that said personal things. Have you guys? Um, yeah, I'm smoking blunts with them. Really? So you guys are kind of cool now? Yeah. I have no issues. Really? I beat them. Why? What is that like? What is that like when you're hanging out with somebody that's either beating you or you've beaten them? It's different for every single one of us. For me, it's whatever. There's never been somebody that I've hung out with that beat me. I mean, you've spent time. I don't, I don't imagine. Like you and Dustin, for example. But I also beat him. I know what I'm saying. It's like you guys have had this. But even before I beat him again, when he had beat me, I would have been felt the same way about him as they do now. Now that I've got the win back, which is like, respect. Yeah. Mutual respect. Um, I know we'll never have to fight again. So like I have no like competitive fire to like, you know, I would love to play even other things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But as a friend, yeah. I think someone I could hang out with, but I've never hung out with them. So I golf with Michael Chandler. Oh, really? Yeah. But so it like, so you hear people talk about this all the time. Like it's different when you play basketball one-on-one again someone. You can still have some ego in there. But after you fought, like after you've actually had a fight, yeah. What ego can be left? It's like, well, no one's gonna pay us to do it again. So what the fuck are we doing? So then is it hurts? So, but is it easier, for example, to like bond with somebody when you know that that bullshit is to decide? Well, I think the bond comes from like the competition not from like mostly from that. Like from like, I know how hard you worked, you know, I know the position that you've put yourself in and the risk that you've accepted. And I respect that. And like that's the mutual appreciation. Because a man I appreciate you having the courage to do this. Yeah. What you're willing to put on the line. Yeah. Who are the guys that you watch fighting now that you feel so much for? That you love so much that it's difficult to watch. So you get that nervousness just watching. Well, that would just be my teammates. Like Camaro, Archie, Colgan, Cory Sandhagen. Love Cory, man. Cory came out. But outside that, like it's, no, it's weird. Like it's weird. But it's weird. Like I don't have spikes in the motion anymore. Like it's so weird. Like even in these fights when Gable Steven got safe, I'm like, sweet. Like I don't want it's so weird. You didn't pop up at that knockout. I stood up after. But like, so like when Yuri went to sleep, well, when Ulberg was done and then him. No, I was like, like, you know, I just weirded. I might have stood up, but I don't have like like a big emotional reaction. Yeah. I mean, watching this guy watch fights. Oh, my guy hit a whole one of your day though. I got the chills. So he got some like that. I love, I love seeing. Yeah, one. I do. When I feel spikes about motions and when this when good things happen, hold on, hold on. On video, your home. It wasn't on video. Where was it? He was at the Preserve Golf Club in Bluxing, Mississippi. I was on a 16 man golf and gamble trip. That was actually one of the craziest trips ever. Why? Because I went. There was zero dollars. Came on with a 120 cash from Crap's and fucking awesome. I turned $12 into $8,000. The idea on a craft machine. Wait, hold on. A lot of money on Crap's, but I turned $12 into $8,000. During my one run, one run dude. No, it was a craft machine. So I was down to $12. I put two dollars on the bonus. I hit the bonus to all. That was like four 20. And then I put 20, 10, 10, 10 or something. Hit that. And that was like 900. And then he did it again with the max. It was like 25, 10, 25. And that paid me like 2400 at hand pay. And then on the way to hitting all those numbers, I made like $5,000. You went 12 to eight. But this is a crash. I've never heard of a craft's machine. I don't understand. Yeah, just a tap, tap, tap. This is the button. Okay. And it's a little, you have your own little individual dice. There's this little thing right here. So then you leave, you, you exit at 8K. Why are you not letting it roll? Yeah, I was, I was, I literally was down there getting food at order food to go. And I had a hundred and twenty dollars in my pocket. The night before, I had like 10 G's in my pockets. I put like $4,000, $3,000 in this machine. Couldn't do shit. And then that time I had 120. And it was crazy. Do you like the machine better than the table? No, I like the table, but I was in California. And that's the most crazy thing ever. It was six, two, and it was a seven. It's fucking crazy. - What do you mean, you threw a six? - So they have six cards. They shuffle them up and they put them in order one through six. And it might be like two, four, six, five, three, one. And then I throw a dice, I throw a dice and say it's five, two. And the five is a three and the two is a six. So I got nine, so I threw a nine. - And is that winning a lose? - Yeah, I don't know. - I've never played crafts like that. I play crafts like when you're at the table, you have the dice you throw, you can bet the line, or you bet the-- - You can't bet on dice in California. So they have the cards, there's a correlation from the dice to the cards, but it's not a direct correlation. - So this is them trying to manipulate the system to create crafts without the-- - So I threw a six, two, the six was a five, and the two is a two, so it was a seven. - So I lost. - And you crapped out? - Yeah. - On what? - A six, two, but the cards set it through a seven. - Right, right, that would drive me crazy. - No, I was like, I'm fucking done. - Yeah, fucking done. - What about the energy at a craft stable? Are you managing like people's vibes? Does that matter to you? - Oh, to stack it too high in the little bit. - Well, so usually when I play crafts, I have a craft team. - A team? - And-- - You can't have a mush. We go to Colorado, Colorado's the best place to gamble now. It's crazy. - What? - So like maybe three, four years ago, they changed the law. Max, before this, before the law changed, Max bet was $100. You couldn't bet more than $100 on anything. They changed the law with the $20,000. So now Max bet's at $20,000. But on the past, so you don't know crafts. - I do if it's real crafts, not this one. - So real crafts, yeah, on the past line. The odds behind in Vegas is three, four, five, right? - Okay. - Three on the six. No, three on the, it's five on the six and eight. Four on the, and then three on the, whatever, two, one, four and 10. In Colorado, you put 100-time odds behind. So if I have 0.5, 100, I can put 100 times. - Wow. - On a six, 48 or 10. And then you're gonna get paid. If it's a 10, you get paid two, one, six to five, three, two. - Oh, wow. - Yeah. - So you could run it up. - So you can get crazy, yeah, you can gamble for them. - So who's the craps team though? - Me. - Craig Bradbury. Lucas Cudillo, Tanner Wicks, Terrence Whitman. They're out of my, out of my gym. - Is Terrence related to Terrence's toughest coat? - Son. - Son. - Oh, wow. - He's my camera guy. - Wow, okay. - Yeah. - He's the camera guy for my business, Onyx. - Makes for what you call man. - Yeah, of course, yeah. - So you need all those guys there. If you're gonna really run it up at the crowd stable. - Yeah. You can't have all, like, I'll play for myself, but I want that baby until it gets to me. - Yeah. - Have you ever-- - If I'm gonna lose or win, I want it to be on my people. Have you ever sat with, have you ever sat with a real whale and threw down? Like you ever go with Dana when he's throwing like 300K on a hand of bockering or whatever? - No. - No. - Pose? - No. - Chazzy. - That was a Chazzy, right? - Oh, really? - Yeah, oh, yeah. - Let me, let's think about that. - Yeah. - Hello. Paul, what are you about to say? - Nothing bad. Chazzy. - Chazzy. - Chazzy, what's up, man? Sandra Schultz, we're doing a pod right now with Justin. - Hey, I just had you on the screen, right there. - Gets you was saying that Gets you said he smoked you and golf the last time you guys played. - Yeah, that's one time out of the three times. - I didn't even say that, it's crazy. But he knows. I think he saw something online. - Honestly, I was joking. He said you'd be there. - I didn't say that. - Well, I didn't want to be there. - He didn't beat you once. - He didn't beat me once. He's a little beat me, that's still released. That is for sure. - What's up, what's up? - Be some, call you later? - Yeah, I just thought of the best idea ever. - Well, we're live on a pod, so you want to say that? - We're live on a pod, so maybe. - Say the sort of hot pod press. - Don't give away these ideas. - I know, it's for Justin. - But you're gonna give away to the whole world where we're recording a podcast right now. - You told me to start talking. (laughing) - Bye, Chad. - Bye, Chad. - Oh, that's funny. - Chad, he's awesome. - Damn. So what gets you in your head? Is there ever a moment where you're thinking about your own thoughts that you don't feel like you're connected? Like when you're in the octagon, you seem so locked in. And even with golf, you seem like you're so laser focused, like if you do public speaking, are you like, ah, fuck, like? - Yeah. - I'm in my head a little bit. - No, my, um, yeah, when I'm, when I know that I'm not prepared for a situation, then I know. - So it's just preparation? - Yeah, like I did speak at the Republican National Convention a couple of weeks ago, but they gave me like a two days notice and I had a golf tournament, so I like wrote the speech while I was doing the golf tournament, but I didn't have enough time to like memorize it. So I knew I was going to look stupid, reading off a telepunk there, but I, - But everybody's reading off a telepunk. - I know, but I'm just my first time ever. - Yeah. - So I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna look and then I was like, I crack head, I was like, (laughing) - So it's nerve wrecking. - Yeah, so I was nervous, so yeah, I was nervous about that. But like I didn't have, like, I wasn't nervous to go out there. - Right. - Because I was like, I have to do it, I'm here, can't get out of it, can't pitch out. - Yeah. - So don't get, so don't worry. Just don't think, don't think, or read your speech. Like prepare a ton, or don't think about it. - Yeah, prepare a ton, or don't. Yeah, even like a locker like any thought can like, transcend like something that you never came here with or prepared for, inside just like, don't have thoughts. - Yeah, dealing with negative thoughts is difficult. Like being in a moment like when the negative thoughts seep in, and like not entertaining them. Like for you, you just go. For me, I got learned to trick on my, when I was self-stepping, but it's really so simple. Like whenever, for when you have to understand and recognize that, you're having like irrational thoughts or, and so like, you have to, if you have to like, you need to like stop. Like say the word stop, when you recognize it. And then, you know, internally you can do that. And then if you need to externally do that, then that's a trick. But you need to, and then you become more aware, and then you, it doesn't transcend into like, negative actions. - Right. - As often as you can literally see the negative thoughts coming in and you'll tell yourself like, stop. - Wow. - Yeah, it's not gonna help. That is interesting though. It's like, you know, the, the need your reaction to having negative thought is like, well, let me have a positive one, like offsetting it. But what's probably most beneficial is having none at all. Or going back to your happy place. Like what, what did I come here with? - Yeah. - Like in golf, it's my basement. Like it's my, that's why I hit balls. So like from playing like shit, I'm like it's your basement. Strike the ball. - Wow. - Like it's all I can do. Can't, can't try harder. Come on, everybody fucking off there. - You can't prepare more 'cause the time's out of here. - The time's now. - Yeah. - Yeah, I said stop a couple times as podcasts 'cause I was thinking I could take this guy. - Every time, every time you're like, I'm thinking about. - I'm gonna kick stuff. - I'm gonna say kick stuff. - I can take it. - I can take it. - I can take it. - One kick out. - I can take it. - I can take it. - I can take it. - I can take it. - One kick. - Do you want to do it now? - Yeah. - Well, he's already signed up. - Yeah. (all laughing) - Well, let's just do it right there. Like just a little one. But don't eat yourself. We're done. - But right here, just one right there. - No, I fuck it. No. (all laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god. All right, all right. Get all your stuff out. Don't hurt yourself. Well, Sam, if I do a backflip, I might go through this Don't do it back. J.J. is planting a backflip. Wait, where you going this one? I'm gonna kick you on that like. Make sure there's nothing in your pockets or anything. Yeah, man. Jesus. And then point your foot towards me a little bit. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. Move the chair. Tell me where the chair. Action. Action. Well, light work. [laughter] That was it. I knew bitch. I knew bitch. [laughter] Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could take it down. That was light. Yeah, I should. But not too crazy. I'm coming over. I'm coming off of an Achilles. I already know. Okay, so here's my name. Okay, okay. You want to take this stuff out or not? No, I don't need to. And do it. Put weight on or off. And put your foot towards me a little bit. Okay, I can go out. Nice and soft at first. Yeah, this is soft. I mean, yeah. It's like already. You know, now we're getting the second one. Yo, no, it's weird. No, no, no, no, no, no. It feels like you're kicking down on my leg. No, no, no, no. Try to get-- I dodged that one. That was easier to-- Oh, it's too much. The hands you can think about, but it's too much. All right, so set up with it. That's actually kind of fun. So, but don't actually hurt me. Okay. But start the-- Start making me adjust to whatever you want to do. This is your range. Well-- With a guy with my length. Well, yeah. Fuck that shit. I know. It's close to-- It's intimidating. You can say-- Yeah, I want to make you punch. You want-- It's so fun, bro. 'Cause then I'm moving here. And now I can't strike over so I'm already off. Yeah, yeah. So if you slip there, I have to come over here. right? And then we have to spin. Oh, and I'm done. Okay, got it. Okay, go on, go on. So I'm coming here. Yeah. So I want you to step here. Boom. So what am I doing in that? Am I fighting for space? But really, so like, if you're going to kick me, you know, I'm going to boom. So if I'm , so if I'm going here, then I'm trying to get to this. So I'm here. Yeah. I'm always ready. So like, if you're going to kick me, boom. I'll see you in so many. So like, come on, you're like, I telegraphed this fuck, but everybody's going to have to. Yeah. It's like, right? And then if I want to create, if I'm just trying to keep you, if I'm trying to create distance, and what are you doing? Waiting for me to, no, right here. I'm coming here and making your feet change. Oh, that. So one step out that way. I adjust here. And you come here. Okay. Can I feel it? Can I feel okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I normally am terrified of this, but I trust you. Oh, I would now. You got to give him a good one. That's second. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. No, that one. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So just real quick. Okay. So can you do the thing again? We're going to be crazy. This guy. It's just the adjustment. Yeah. So, so I, okay. So then I would, if I want to to come this way, I'll come this way. And then you come out. Okay. So again, it's so, so if I'm going, so then I would, if I'm going here, I'm taking a step here, you adjust and then where do I, where am I moving? I'm trying to recreate what you did to me. Come here. So then I step in. But it's going to be so. So I come here. Yeah. Boom. I'm set foot now. You're back. But if you want to set you up, like you're setting me. Yeah. I just showed you. Yeah. So you're going here, and then you're trying to come back this way with your back foot. Yeah. But I'm going here. Yeah. And then when you set that way, I'm beating you with this foot. Got it. Okay. Call it a pimps up. A pimps up. Yeah. So it's a pimps up and a L-step of the same. So there's these tiny little micro pimps up. L-step. And now I'm here. Yeah. And got it. So now I'm the person constantly adjusting to you. I need a dance. But you're leading the dance. And then I'll change the dance. So now right now it's like reggae. And then it's over. Once you're in it's over. Okay. So I'm changing the room. I'm changing the the song type. But what if I so now what if I'm the one applying that same thing? So I'm throwing jabs. Yeah. I'm stepping here. Now I'm probably stepping right into you. So I would have to get to the space. Okay. So we said now he gets a net. You're already starting. So then boom. Now it's fight for it. Now it's fight for the momentum. Fight for the momentum. I mean, I have to try to make you a just person. And when I'm losing, so I don't I want to avoid 50-50 situations. What is 50-50 situation? So like you throw my hand. I throw my hand. And then whoever lands. Yeah, whoever lands. I want it. If I'm going to try to right hand with you, I want to be like right here. So I'm reaching out and you're hitting straight it. Like I won't take it. And if I see that, I'm going to be a 50-50. It's like, okay. Step out. And then what about when you see guys exchange hooks and one guy gets caught or something like that. Why are they in that position? For a lot of times people just throw everything out the window and then it's fucking fight. Bro, the little thing is like, fuck you. Like, you know, I'm going to get him. They're like, I'm going to kill you. Instead of I might get hit. And you're thinking I want you in a disadvantageous situation to exchange me. I'm saying no matter what, if I'm in this fight, I'm going to continue to create and cause damage. As long as you don't hit me hard enough to take me out of it. And can you take me through the sequence with, with ends of the collar and go here, boom. So it's, so you just go for the single leg. She's the single. And then I go, oh no. So I'm going, I'd move the house and I sprawl on them and boom. It's literally chess. Like in chess, you're trying to keep tempo. And if he gets a tempo on you, you're trying to reach out. You have no idea. Yeah. Cause it's like, yeah, I mean, you have to obviously anticipate, predict. You're going to be wrong sometimes. So then you need to be able to like reset. And if he's setting the pace, you've got to try to figure out a way to this crash. Right. And if I'm losing, I'm losing. I fucking just keep it here. Get in here. Call like, yeah, reset the tempo. And I like to punch him here. Like, I like to punch right down this fucking song with every time I leave. But I also saw you in here creating a little space and then shooting it looked like you were shooting something up. Yeah. From here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From the car tie. You just punch your hands. The collar shit is so interesting. But what do you pull away from it? And I'm not so literally going to go away. I just punch there. There's a gap there. Like, don't pull away from it. I just punch you there. So there's stuck in between a rock in a hard place. So do you think that I have to do when you call it time? Yeah. What would you call it time? I mean, go inside and close the gap. So is the collar tie even better than the Muay Thai grad? Because with the Muay Thai, you're not throwing anything. Yeah. Like, you've seen guys do this way. They go elbows in. Yeah. Here in the knees, boom, elbows. Yeah. Well, that's what Armand did with the, yeah. Um, every sounds everybody. Yeah. So he's his own. Yeah. So he's his own pretty much. But having that little adjustment, like that to me is interesting. So again, like, yeah. So it's like, so maybe a super point like this. Yeah. Yeah. So in order to create power, I have to be able to sprint in that direction. Yeah. So right now, all my powers straight straight here. If I, it's right there. Now you can now I'm here. Yeah. And so as I go that way, it's easy for me to go sprint that, I can go sprint that way right now. Yeah. Like, but in order for me to take off sprinting that way, after reset and go. Yeah, it takes two steps. Yeah. So if I square you up here, I would have to go here. Yeah. Here, boom, here. And now you, boom. Yeah. Then I didn't. Well, yeah, you're doing a good job. But, you know, I was trying to frame with you. So every time you go, yeah, I'm trying to do it, stay pointed. He stayed pointed. So you're trying to stay pointed all the time. Yeah. And people went from his right hand. So then he's always ready to just turn it over. Yeah. Wow. It's crazy. The micro steps and what they're setting up in the sequence, and like on his jab, you jab, I like to kick on the jab. Yeah. So you guys, you can't open your leg. That's right. I'm putting my weight down here. So there's no adjustment. There's no. And you can't, and you're eating the whole. Are you willing to accept that jab though? When your friend, well, no, my head's coming off. So you throw the jab? Oh, no. Yeah. You throw the, the left. No matter what I throw. Okay. So it's just, boom. Don't get at your face. It's the point. The point is I'm moving my face from you. Your target is changing. You can't make that adjustment, like, mid in real time. Yeah. Yeah. So they're committed. Once you make, so that's why I didn't like you use this as pressure to make them punch you. You put something to punch me and I get boom, boom, boom, punch off that. That's how I counter. You like actually the proximity for your counters. Yeah. But then like for, so like, you got to fight someone here for either of them. I'm going to fight him right here. You were given more distance. Yeah. Cause he's so fast. So you're adjusting for, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For his speed. And then I can obviously, you know, we have to really could understand where his feet are. But you want a little bit of that lunge. You want him, he want him, we want him reaching a little bit more of a reach than he would normally do. And then what happens when he was inside like this? And he was going with those bodies. Obviously, that's what are you trying to crowd? What is the, it felt like you were trying to cover the top with it. You're trying to like counter their throw with him. Yeah. So like when he throws, all right. You're trying to throw something to throw with him. Yeah. Cause you, you, you, you put yourself in this position. You're in a 50/50. There's no way out. Oh. So when you're in the 50/50, it's, you throw your back. If you're backs against the wall and you're in a 50/50, then don't turn it into a fucking 80/20 for him. You got it, man. Like, fuck, I haven't had you. You know, that's when the desire and the fire and the fucking grit determination. It's like to stay in it. So the, so your, so your coach is basically, you and Trevor are basically going, all right, if we get into a 50/50, you got to fire your way out. No, no, no, it would be more like, we are not going here. Yeah. But if you're there, you said, don't turn into an 80/20. But that's if I get pushed to the fence. Like, so like when I was pushed to the fence right there, it's the, the game point is get out the fuck fence. Get out the fence by getting, you know, beginning to a clinch and turning him that way, but he was, he was, I was in a pickle. Yeah, it's weird. It's like, it's a crazy game. Can I ask you a dumb question? Again, I'm watching, I watch you see fights because I like them and I enjoy the, the, the carnage and the competition, but I don't know the technical elements. Yeah. So the next fight that I watch, what is like a technical thing that fighters know, that fight lovers know, that casual person is taking up on that would make me appreciate the sport more dude. Well, make sure to appreciate the sport more is, I know as much as you. That's what's crazy about the sport. I truly don't fucking know. I'm always wrong. I cannot pick winners because I don't fucking, I don't know, but I don't know why I don't know how. Watching feet, like if I just watch, I mean, what you just showed us right there was, like even that is me. I give you an IQ and this gives me a hundred percent. Well, I'm doing, but I can't see someone do it. I don't know if there's, I don't know if they're actually doing it intentionally, or if it's happening just after that. Yeah, but it's just happening naturally. I don't know, like, I don't know the process. Interesting. They got them here, you know. Yeah. But you're obviously watching with a critical eye when you're seeing certain guys out there. there, right? I'm watching for knockouts. I want to see someone go sleep too. So you're watching just as a casual like I love the sport of MMA. Now with the knowledge of anything any moment, it just makes to that much more exciting. Yeah. I mean, it is unbelievably. Like if you're watching this, are you watching just like, damn, these guys are banging because when I'm watching this, I'm like, these guys are throwing four punches. That's it. I'm not watching any other technique. You're not looking at the feet. You're not looking at like, oh, he's eating that, the counter. No. A lot of times the fighters know like a lot more than the people observing. A good example is Chito Verify. Yeah. Like Chito, that guy didn't seem out of it until he was out of it, but like it was, there was science like before that that he was on his way to like that you could pick up on other. Yeah. Yeah. He's about to be, he's about to have to like either get knocked out or have to make a choice. Oh, really? Uh, get himself out of this situation. Yeah. Yeah. All around. He's going, he's going, he's going to sleep. So you felt Chito coming on and maybe the average fan might not have seen it. Yeah. It's all about them of momentum. So really, it's about, so like, it's all momentum, but but again, fighting is crazy. So like, you can still momentum and take momentum and any given moment. Like it's so weird. I don't know. That's just a good question. It's not a dumb question because there's no fucking answer. You know, how long does it take to recover from a shot? Hard shot. Yeah, I'd like to know. Shots are different. It's weird. See your head. No, I know. I know. But they're those are different. There's different ways that they hurt. Sometimes it's like a buzz. This is gone. Sometimes it doesn't hurt. And then your legs don't work. And it's like, what the fuck's going on? But every single time it's like over all of a minute, then the guy started him to another one. So it's like, Oh, shit, pay attention to that one. And so he's just not even thinking about it. Like whenever for a hurt me, I didn't know I was hurt. I was just fighting. And he stopped and I was like, what the fuck? But I was definitely compromised. Right. It was a good stoppage. Yeah. But I thought it was fine. That's why we need people to protect them. Yeah, you need doctors to come in and be like, Yeah, you know, just that's why I have issues with like, when fouls happen, like head buds or eye pokes or growing shots like, or mostly what I'm talking about is like a legal shot to the head on the ground. Like a knee to the head, where they're obviously like compromise. Like the fight shouldn't that decision should not lie on the fighter. Because he has to make he's already choose his fight. So he's going to make, you know, he's putting in position a little bit of bitch when he shouldn't ever be putting up. He didn't create the foul. You know, he's compromised. Um, and so like things like that, like I think, like a knee to the head, or like a shot after a knockout. Like I know a lot of fans will watch and be like, man, he didn't have to do that. You think it was different? Yeah. Got to finish it. You don't know. I swear to God, go go to the Luis Paul Meano fight. I hit him, he goes to sleep hits the ground like this wake up wake up fighting. I was like, what the fuck? And he woke up fighting. I was like, God, the ground, the, the, you know, the force of that, you know, from the ground will come up. Nice little body. Oh, this is he was a BKFC champion. He's approving a street fighter. Oh my god. And then we wake up fighting. I was like, no. And then boom, he went to sleep right there for a second. We'll go fight again. I was like, fuck. Wow. You heard a backflip here. Oh, bro, when you did the backflip. Oh, and that's just like that. I'll try to do that. Okay. You do the backflip. And then you try to do like another back. No, that was the only way out without injury myself. I had two more momentum. Object emotion needs to stay in motion. So I added some momentum. Have you seen him do back rolls? No. This is the most insane shit I ever seen. I didn't even know this was possible to from his neck flicking himself. Oh, this is like some wrestling shit, right? Like, yeah, he's using his hands here, which is like, oh, after you do it on your neck, that shit looks too easy. But is able to literally back roll off his neck and flick himself. Yeah, it's coming. Because I, my coach, he, I'll make him try to do it. And he almost breaks his neck every time. Oh, my god. No hands. Oh, does that have my coach do it? Oh, yeah, that's it. Oh, wow. And then my big coach over there will try to do it. Oh, my god. He almost broke his neck like three times already. What was I'm saying? You could have been like a gymnast. Yeah, well, I was. I just grew up on a wrestling mat and trembling. I wasn't allowed inside. Yeah. He weren't allowed in sound. That's an old school parenting. Now the sun was up. Go run it off. Do much for brother. Um, all right. Before, before we wrap this up, if there is another fight, is there anyone that you want? No, not specifically. Has there ever been outside of a title? Has that ever been like a fighter that you wanted? Or was the focus always like obviously like the people that BB I want. Obviously. Yeah. And I know how big of a bitch I sound when I say this, but the fact that either you knocked out Charles Oliver and Max hallway, which are the only two people that are still there that have BB. Yeah. Like I am, I'm okay. I'm okay with those. They wiped it clean. I'm okay with them beating me. And I'm okay. Being knocking you know, making the guy quit that finished them. So that like wipes his slate. Yeah. It's stupid as I don't know if that's cowardly or if I just, yeah, I'm okay with it. Transit property. Yeah. I'm okay with it. Okay. And then as far as defending the title, any, now that you've wanted. Yeah. Like you checked it off. Yeah. Have you thought past winning it even as a kid, where you're like, I want to win it. And then I never thought I would be a fine as a kid. Sorry. As an adult. Yeah. Um, like you achieved the dream. So I never thought it would take until 2026 for me to achieve this. Obviously, I had a chance to 22 against could be failed. I had another chance against Oliver. I should have won that fight. Uh, that was in 2024. And so I thought I would be a champion in those moments. And I failed. And I never thought I would get another chance after losing to my following understanding there was repercussions in the title implications of that loss. Um, and so I didn't think I'd get another chance. But I knew that I was still one of the best in the world. I knew that this was so crazy that any given moment, you know, the guys and at the top of the game can be each other. And so I knew that if I just stayed in it, I, you know, I was still in a position where they, they owed me a fight because of that, because of that, you know, what I can, I was biased. I thought they deserved, I deserved it. They owed it to me, even though I took that fight and lost to my following. And then, you know, I felt as if short notice, first fight, Dan Hooker, not my problem, not my fault. Um, and then patty, you know, undefeated up and coming next guy. And I got the chance. And luckily, I thought I was going to fight Aliens January. And that was going to get a chance to get Max Halley back on the White House long. That was what I thought would happen after I fought his eve. But then, you know, either Ali had hiatus, saw the okay, I'll fight patty in January, fight him on the White House. And I spoke here, and I believed it. And I worked for it. And yeah, it's crazy that I accomplished it. I do not feel like I have anything left to prove. Yeah. Um, my first fight was an '08. I'm 37 years old. But I know that I also just performed better than I've ever performed. So I, I'm stuck in between a rock and a hard place. Um, I have my faculties. I want to keep my faculties. I have nothing left to prove. So I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. Interesting. It's fun, though. It's a good position to be in. It's a great place to be. Conrader has one fight left on his contract. You want that counter fight? Yeah, be fun. I'd be fun. You think he can stay healthy for it. I don't care. Well, I don't care. You want to fight to happen. Best case in January shows up and fucking gets hurt in the first five seconds. So you would want Conrad over Arman. It's not that I don't want to fight him. It really isn't. It's that I, I mean, he's the next in line. But when it if and when I defend the championship, that will be a fight. Right. I just don't know right now. Right now I have a deep bruise in my knee. I still can't push to my hand for three months removed from my last fight. And so I gave a lot of myself for this fight in January and June to kind of luckily, you know, I came out on top and but it cost me a lot. And so I need to recover. I need to rest my brain, you know, because a lot of training went into those fights. And I'm just going to enjoy being a champion to the rest of the year. I'm going to make a business decision and a life decision whenever the time goes. Just engage. Yeah. The mother fucking Sam. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go, let's go. Sam Bruto. And we'll go for the rest of the exchange leg kick. So I love to do it. No, no, it's a prize right here. I gave you two. I don't want to end you yet. - Five. - I'll give you one. - That's fine. - No, I'm not going to let you out of it today.