240: 'Just in Time for Mimosas', with Adam Lee

Servus Matthias hier in Dis, Dis ist Single Track. Der erste und original Trail und Mountain Running Podcast, called Single Track. Und ich bin der erste und original Matthias Eichler, podcasting, von Olympia, Washington. Ich bin sehr dank, danke und herzlich willkommen zu all über die Europäische Listeners des Single Track. Ich bin sehr sehr sehr sehr dank. In diesem Video hab ich in den Kanal und Adam Lee von Benkouver B.C. Adam, mein Kind, bin ich in den Podcast ein paar Wochen, und ich bin im Fernsehen der Favorit. Der Substack-Newsletter und Podcast ist unter dem Dich in meinem Handel, und du musst es unterhalten. Für Trail Running Tipps und more. Ich schau dir das in den Schonauts, und auch in deinem Podcast-Präsident, und jetzt, schau dir das an, da ist ein Link unter den Koverart, für dich zu klicken und abgeladen. Auf der anderen Seite, zur Ultrapost. Es ist ein neues Service, wir haben schon vorhin gelassen, aber ich dachte, ich würde mich nicht mehr sagen. 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Matthias, thank you so much for having me. I'm really well today and so excited to be here with you. And I hear that you have a very tough training ahead of you. So you were like excited to be on the microphone. So I can distract you or keep you from having to put on some shoes and get out there. Yeah. You know, you're, you're really getting in the way of my workout here today. Matthias. So I'll do my best to not talk too long. No, I'll keep you because if you don't talk long, I'll talk long. So to start our first question, you're up in BC. Do you have a special greeting? I always start my podcast by saying service, which is the Bavarian alt pine Austrian kind of greeting on the trail. So if you go hiking or running in that area of the Alps and you cross another hike or someone, then you would say service, service. Hello, right? It's basic. Do you have a specific greeting that is either Canadian or West Coast, Canadian or British Colombian or Vancouver, right? You know, that's a good question. And first of all, I have to clarify, so was servus S E R V U S servus. Okay, I like that. I like that you started each time, but I haven't been able to actually hear it. So now I know the word. That's fantastic. We, I think up here, we just try and be polite and not scare people, but there's no like, there's no real term or whatever. Mostly it's like a good morning, but it is, it is important, right? It is, I just learned about a new print magazine that I think it's called. Hello, hey, hi or something like that. And the reason why they have that greeting as a title of the magazine is because they're saying how important it is to create each other on the trail, right? Yeah, you don't have to live there, but sometimes if you don't say anything, you scare or startle people even more. 100%. I think there's always those kind of funny times too. It seems to happen where you'll come around a corner and you know you're coming up on, it's always two because they're talking. So they're not going to hear your footsteps and you always have that like, when do I greet them and how do I not scare them? And it's always, you know, they're going to jump. I know. And nowadays with headphones getting smaller and smaller, and that is the other big thing, right? I mean, I've been guilty of that. I've had headphones in and listened to, I don't know, an amazing trail running podcast or something. And was to completely my thoughts and somebody came around the corner and didn't anticipate that, right? So you're sort of peripheral awareness is gone. That's it. You're in your own world. Exactly. Adam, tell listeners a little bit more detail about where you're from and what you do up there. Yeah. So I am from Vancouver, BC. I originally grew up in Ontario and moved out here 2009 with my wife, Sheena. And it was always kind of drawn to the mountains in the ocean. I did some mountain biking and that sort of stuff growing up in Ontario. So mountain, you could put in air quotes if you wanted. But there was a lot of the trails and that kind of thing. So getting out to the west coast, I don't know if you, if you've noticed out here, Matias, but there's a lot of outdoor culture. Oh yes. Yeah. So it was easy to get involved there and I started road running like a lot of people and was given free entries into the local marathon, half marathon through work. And I thought that'd be a great way to meet people. Did that for a couple of years and kind of chase times and some marketing or something like that came along. So an advertisement for trail running in the first time we went in on the trail. It was kind of kick back to mountain biking growing up and it was like, what? Why have I not been doing this the whole time? I mean, I was like, what was I thinking and immediately like your times, do you don't care about it? And you just, you just out there cruising new trails and all that. So I'm not a born and bred west coaster, but I'm definitely feeling at home here. And the trail running community is just so much fun. So that's sort of the short version of how I've ended up in the in the trail running community. I mean, this is, this is amazing. And we need to talk about Vancouver for a second, right? Because Vancouver is literally one of the coolest cities in the entire world. Is that what brought you out there? We, so we ended up in Victoria for a few years because I had family there. And we came to Vancouver for the Olympics to check out an event. And because when we moved from Ontario, we both worked in television back there. So we had lots of friends coming out to work the games and it was like, we got to go meet everyone. And you can only imagine how much fun Vancouver is usually enjoying the Olympics and this sort of fresh, west coast perspective. Like we were just like, this is the greatest thing in the world, you know? And so to experience that, we're like, we need to live there. And as soon as we lived here, like this is home and don't get me wrong, there are plenty of days where I'm like, I hate this city because of this or that or whatever, you know, sitting in traffic or that. Whatever it may be, but then you kind of, you get through that moment and you get to go play in the mountains and you get to go sit beside the ocean and be like, all right, this isn't so bad. And eat to tell the great places. And yeah, it's, it's a wonderful place to be and it's really hard to leave. Yes. I mean, I mean, I love Vancouver. Es ist eine der meiner Fähigkeiten, die wir zu sehen. it. And I think as you're saying, talking about traffic, I think one of the biggest, one of the few downsides when Cooper has is that it's a West Coast city, so it was developed after the public transportation or after the car was already established and so everything was built car centric as opposed to building a proper public transportation network. I was up for the Olympics too for a day and I mean I'm flabbergasted at some of the public trains that they put in just for the Olympics they've actually taken back out. I'm like, why? But let's not get into politics. It is one of the other big cool things about this city is you're talking about outdoor culture. I mean if you think globally, I don't know that there are many multi-million mega cities that are so close to the mountains. Yeah, I couldn't tell you when off the top of my head in quite the same unique way because it's so funny, like you go back on a trail run and there's so there's this end of the line general store in North Van Linn Valley, super common spot to hang out, start from. And if you just a fly on the wall and listening to the conversations and what people are training for, it's the best because you can be doing the most epic thing ever and feel like you're the tiniest human being just in this parking lot because there's seven people doing something way crazier than you are. Well, that is like one of the best atmospheres. That's what I love about the mountain towns and the Alps where you can sit drinking a cappuccino in the afternoon and you get people walking by with mountaineering boots and ice axes on their backs, right? And you know they just came from down from doing some kind of crazy glacier climb, but you just sit there eating your sauce. That's what's amazing. And in Vancouver, you got that in a gigantic city. Amazing, but let's talk about you a little bit. You said you found trails, gimp listeners, a little bit of a couple of highlights. What are, what were some of your favorite moments on trails? Yeah, totally. It's always fun to reminisce and talk about the fish getting slightly bigger every year. Right. You caught it. So I think I would definitely have to shout out the Coast Mountain Trail. It was Coast Mountain Trail running. It's Coast Mountain or Coast Mountain Trail series. It's Coast Mountain Trail running now. That's Gary Robbins and Jeff Langford's course up here. And I didn't know. It was 2015. I guess I had no idea about any ultra runners, trail runners, anything like that. There was the cap crusher is what the name of the race was and it was build as Canada's toughest 8K. And I just thought I love it because I immediately want to sign up and I also immediately know that there's probably no other 8Ks with any elevation in the country anyway. So there's no bar to jump over as far as it being the toughest race, right? But I just loved the marketing. So I did that race and that's again, it was 8K. It was over an under an hour and just the atmosphere of that day hanging out at the finish line for the awards and Gary going through the awards and how inclusive everything was. And I'm kind of old school in that one. If I go to an event, whether it be, it's from playing baseball, frankly. You know, you think the umpires at the end of the game, whatever you're doing. So you think you think someone, whoever's, whoever's set that day up for you. So I found Gary as a thank you very much and just made a habit of introducing myself to him when I'd seen it the next time because he's very uh personable and he starts chatting with you too. I thought he'd be busy and not have time for a conversation. Again, just because he's the race director and I assumed as much but he was very engaging. And so I'd find him before races after that and that's sort of what built my love of that series was just the vibe from the very top is it's all about giving each other time and having fun with each other and including everyone. There's no um I don't like to slag on the road running either because I think it's awesome and it's its own thing but it's just very insular. I feel like where's the trail running it threw me off how everybody had time to chat and that kind of thing right away. It was just it was such a different vibe. So I love that it felt like a party um and that's probably how my love of trail running started was that very first race and definitely a highlight. If you if you talk about the entire series have you run all his races? I have run them all but not all distances. Sure sure. No, absolutely. That would that would take a lot. Which one's your favorite so far? Oh, right. Like that's because Whistler's super fun because it's a party weekend up there and you kind of feel like you're taking over Whistler as the runners you know it's like it's like it's there for you and it's a fun vibe up there so that's super fun. What distance did you run Whistler? I've done the 25 up there so I was there the year that it was I forget the original course but we got rerouted because of the Grizzly Bears. That was the time when Gary still had the most of the course on I think the northern side of the highway right and I sort of abandoned that all together because of you know challenging logistics and bears and everything else. Yeah like I don't think the bears were the first challenge that they had. No, I think they never have a lot of challenges on that of the course. Yeah so I ran it it was the first year they did comfortably numb the trail and I think that's what they stick to now for that run and that was pretty funny actually too because I was running with a good friend Scotty Hearst and him and his I think they were married at the time. Him and his wife were up there with with my wife Sheena and I and we had plans of meeting at the finish line of course I'm going out for breakfast and everything afterwards and the race had been rerouted so close to race day that we didn't get a chance to adjust what time they should mean is at the finish line so we blasted because they took a lot of elevation off with the course changes like it did change it in a fairly dramatic way so we finished they were still having mimosas at their first breakfast and we're like we're done. Hello fantastic it's time for our mimosas you know so yeah I really liked the Whistler one and I know Squamish isn't part of that series I know it's its own standing race or whatever but that's definitely you got a spot in my heart because that was the first 50k I did and then last year I did the 50/50 and that's the most challenging one I've done so I've got a lot of time and love for Squamish even though I hate Squamish. Oh what do you hate about Squamish? Oh I'm kidding I just mean that I'm still traumatized from the 22 hours in the rain. You did it that fall when they had to change the dates because of COVID right and then yes a fall date and then it was a brutal brutal downpour right. An atmospheric river yeah. We hadn't heard this word until like three years ago and now we have atmospheric rivers and all races. Right I think the weather we should all take a page of the weather networks marketing because I think they really get things nailed down you know they introduce these phrases or lexicon which we take everything they say seriously and they don't have to actually follow through it's perfect. Yeah I'd been signed up for a Whistler race but I had to like lapse my registration because I couldn't I couldn't make it up there I think I think Whistler has huge potential for Gary in being one of those classic big mountain running festival weekends. Yeah right. It was and you probably know this better than I will it was supposed to be in the world series was it not. I think it's still you know well I know that is that one of the shorter distances is still part of the golden trail series. That's what it is a golden trail series. Sorry. No yeah exactly but I think even beyond that right because one of the big challenges that many of our great races have is that some of them on the middle of nowhere and you go out there and there is no motivation for spectators to be out there at the same time right because you're driving four hours down a forest road into sort of the middle of nowhere but Whistler is that perfect hub where you could bring your friends and family up and you add some vacation time to the weekend and you meet afterwards in a pool and people could potentially see you off way through the course as you coming back through black home if you're running one of the 100 K 100 mile distances right I mean it sort of has that potential of being a UTMB course or being a course that that has people actually standing on the side of the trail while you're racing. Absolutely yeah for sure it's such a it's such a good vibe up there they could they could run wild with that I know I know like trail running is a challenge for sure in getting spectators but I see these things from around the world and there are people that get out and watch them so if there's ways to do it. I mean, you just need the people and you need the accessibility, right? I think you do need to culture a little bit too. I mean, I've ran Monta Rosa, Ultitou Monta Rosa last year at DNF, but you know, that's like realistically only five values over from Shamanim, and there was no one on the course. It's a, it is a different atmosphere, it is in a different country. It is a much smaller race, different race direction. And so I think there is something, if you think two to fours, I think the French they are nutty enough that they love standing for hours on the side of a trail to cheer on these endurance athletes. So I think there is that sort of understanding wherein when I think other cultures don't quite have that. That's a lot of patience to show. I know, right? I mean, it's an endurance sport in itself. Right. Totally. I think that's what I always say. She will help me out from time to time, like crew and training, runs and all that. And like I think they're working way harder than us. Like we get to cruise through the bus. It's beautiful. You hang out, not stressing about getting to places and hanging out and taking the abuse of the whole day. Never mind standing on the side of the trail to cheer for someone all day. Yeah. No, I think you were mentioning about timing things right. I mean, if you are support and you have to potentially hop for a main station to aid station and stuff, I think that's a big challenge for the crew for sure. Stressful. Stressful. All right. So let's switch gear a bit. Part of the reason why you on the show is not just because you can tell me how beautiful Vancouver is because I know it already. Now you actually started a few months ago. A newsletter called UltraPostey and it's a substack newsletter. So you jumped on the newsletter craziness that sort of jump. We kind of came up. I think you the only like ultra running new, I'm a life-ending guest there, a couple of new sliders, but yours is a little bit unique. Tell listeners a little bit about your newsletter, about your product. What is it? Yes. So I started the newsletter. It's called UltraPostey Thoughts in my head. And that sort of tailed off as we were just talking about Squamish 50/50. I just had time to kind of work on something in the trail running sphere. I've done some writing and worked in media in the past. So writing and then kind of getting into the podcast was a natural fit in trail running. I really love. And then kind of looking at what's out there already and then into my wheelhouse. As we talked about a little bit before we started recording, I'm not someone that's out there following the sport at a high level or anything like that. And I'm not a coach. I'm not a nutritionist. So I'm just like a lot of everywhere. And I wanted to figure out how I could fit in and offer value to people as opposed to just kind of spewing out garbage. All right. It says your criticism to all the other newsletters out there. So deaf. You Canadian. You would never. I know. That's right. That's right. Way too polite to you that. Exactly. I only mean that for me to get on a soapbox and to tell you anything that you should be doing would be considered garbage. Yes. I get to be to positions yourself as an expert or a coach. It wouldn't be appropriate. Exactly. And I do not want people to think that either. That's sort of my fear. I'm not trying to push myself out there as an expert. So what I'm trying to do through the newsletter is and the podcast is to find experts or people with a lot more knowledge and share their knowledge. And then on the right side, I've always liked to write and be creative. So I've been finding ways of sort of engaging with people. One of my favorite ones that I did so far was just I got a bunch of people tell me why they love trail running and some trail running experiences. And then I kind of wrote them all together as though we wrote for like a like a group run. And so it's been kind of fun to kind of pull from my skills and what I like to do and then grab the knowledge of what others like to do and what they have. And I feel that that's where the value comes from. And that's why you want to stop by and actually read and participate in the media that I'm putting out as I think what my goal is is to make it like the trail running community, which is very inclusive and and chatty and engaging and just kind of put that through the computer so you can kind of feel like you're still hanging out. I do I do very much hear you and I think that is that is a very good encapsulation of what the trail running community is all about. So for people who have not heard of you before, we put the link to newsletter in the show notes, especially for people who are looking for a sort of a different media in consuming because news, you know, I think before podcasts came up all the trail media was YouTube, right? I mean, I think YouTube was the biggest sort of vehicle. Everybody had a GoPro. Everybody had the little shaky cam from their right and they put some music over it and they called it, you know, the greatest bucket list experience and stuff. And I did that too. Absolutely. And you know, it's that's fun. But again, it requires from a consumer, it requires you to have the time to watch a video, right? You can't digest it bit by bit, you know, if you want to, if you want to watch a video of a particular race that somebody did that you might have signed up. I mean, you can see some great imagery possibly, but you don't really get good information out of it. Written article would help you more, right? And so, and, you know, you can't search a video, can't search a podcast either. So having articles is actually an interesting, is an interesting way of sort of giving people some other form of getting connected to the trail one community and with that, you've also done a podcast and I've been on your podcast. That's how we sort of connect it and obviously everybody should listen to my episode because it's the greatest. No, of course. Of course. Your podcast is also very unique. Speak a little bit about your your podcast. And so, yeah, podcasts are the same idea. My, I have one episode, so I can't say they're all under 15 minutes because I have one that I went over. It was very early on and I hadn't nailed down my format yet. So I think that was about 17 minutes. But they're all, they're all going to be 15 or less. They they have been and I try and find a an interesting guest. I've had, you know, like a hypnotherapist, a trail running photographer, a couple of coaches yourself as a race director and another race director of joining me. Just people who are involved in the community that maybe you just didn't have a chance to hear from yourself before like like like yourself as a race director. Like, you know, we're out there taking place, taking part in the events. We love them. We have such great time, say hi, everything and thanks and high fives and all that, but you don't get to hear about the person behind the event and that kind of thing. So that's sort of what the podcast is about. And then the reason it's 15 minutes or less is mostly got to do with my own attention span to be perfectly honest. I have a hard time focusing on the longer podcasts. I'll have to like pause them and consume them in a few different sessions because I just I can't commit to an hour or an hour and a half. Usually, and again, it's just my attention span. Like, okay, I'm done with this for a bit. I got to read about something else now for a while or whatever. So the 15 minutes is kind of in my wheelhouse as far paying attention. But also, I like the challenge of moderating it and keeping it to 15 minutes and getting actual value out of that time too. Because just because something's 15 minutes long doesn't mean when you listen to it, you'll get anything out of it. No, that's true, but it is interesting because I think most other podcasts like this one here, I tried to go as long as possible in this in theory. I'm not artificially trying to make it long, but I'm thinking, well, people listen to the podcast while they're out running and if they're running, they're running longer than 15 minutes, so you might as well go long, right? That's sort of the theory, right? But there's also another thought, which is I find sometimes you need, especially if you are talking to someone you perhaps have never met before. So I find you need to, you need a little bit of time to have some light questions back and forth before you get to the meat of it, right? Before you really make it connect you with a person and sometimes I feel like you need, you need that time. I completely appreciate that and it's definitely part of the challenge. I am a big smiley and approachable person from generally and right from the get go and someone gets on there, I try to be as upbeat and relaxed too so that they can get into things as easily as possible. And as you know, I send questions ahead of time to you so you know that what's coming. Because it works for both of us too, right? Like if you chat with me for 10 to 12 minutes, I'm sure that you'd like to actually say something to and I'd like to get something out of you. So it's nice to have that little bit of prep and kind of get into it that way. I do find not that I have to stick to the scripted questions by any means, but it becomes a challenge when someone gives you a great answer and you're like, ooh, I want to go down that that they just brought up a little bit, right? So sometimes you just have to give up on that. And then other times it's like, okay, we're going to go down that road and I'm going to get rid of these scripted questions I had because that's going to be far more entertaining to listen to. It's all about learning for myself what's more entertaining in the end. And I think honestly most of the time it's going down that road because yeah. Well, and I mean there's a meta conversation in there, right? I think if you would be Well, I mean, you know, if one would have the time and the money in this, I mean, we're mainly doing this as a label of love and some respect. We could probably record four hours of conversation and edit the good ones down, right? I'm trying to study as somebody who's asking questions. I'm trying to study an opera of Winfrey, not really. But, you know, there's sometimes the questions I I clearly edited in a way that she she picked the ones that had the good answers. And yes, of course, right? And in the podcast, we are sort of free flowing a little bit. And that's the power of being the interviewer to write like you have every word that you you use in your question actually has a lot of power in in the way that someone's going to respond. It's really interesting. It is for sure. And it's something that I never considered really as something that I wanted to do. I always wanted to have more of a conversation as a podcast. Like I think really want to interview. Of course, you need to interview in order to introduce your guest to the show. And you need to find a way of yourself actually getting to know that person because, right? I mean, we're all doing that for free. We can't have three meetings beforehand to acquaint ourselves right before we actually get get to to a place. Right. But I think there's also a big challenge because if you only stay in the introductory questions, then you it almost the product. It's a little bit repetitive. Right. They need us to be this like what makes this particular conversation unique. You got to get into the bones eventually. Otherwise, yeah, you're just kind of looking at the at the postcard the whole time. Exactly. So let's get into the bones. All right. So one of the interesting side challenges for myself in doing what I'm doing is that you want to tell amazing stories of people doing really cool things. I think that is the most inspirational thing. But there's also this other thing which is we are observing and living and breathing a in a sport in a hobby in a in a world in a genre where things are happening and we are observing. So we are not just doing stuff ourselves. Hey, how did your training go yesterday. But we're also like observing. Oh, look, there is a brand new company entering the market. There's a new race series. There is a new media product. There is somebody retiring somebody changing. Right. I mean, we sort of see how things change it with you as somebody who doesn't just run, but you actually creating a product yourself. I'd love to have a conversation around what do we see in this culture in this sport that we call trail running. What are the big trends. What are we are observing. And I know that you said that you are not one of those like people who follow all the top runners religiously all the time. But I'm curious what you see from your side. Yeah, totally. And I was excited to have this conversation with you too, because we're so close geographically. So I'm curious to know what your experiences down there compared to mine here even in Vancouver. And of course, we're going to be speaking anecdotally. Absolutely. Of course. But that's the fun of it all because I'm so I think that the sport is in a great place. As far as what what I see is like here participation levels are always going up races are selling out sooner and sooner. And not only is that happening, but the the women in the sport, the participation amounts are increasing too. Like it's getting more and more close to equal up here for a lot of our big events too. You know, like I think Squamish 50 last year was I'm going to mess this up, but I want to say it was only like a few percentage points like 50 Ford of 46 or something like that. Like it's yeah, it's fantastic. And then so there's this and again, this is getting super anecdotal now because you're talking to some some guy who's talking about the run group that he goes out with. But there are these women that show up. It's a Solomon trail lab. It's called and they're like they're brand new to the sport and they're so strong and they're signing up for their first races and they're finishing on the podium. Like I think the sport is still so young. And it's in such a great place in that respect that I'm so excited to see where it goes. I think there will be growing pains because of course there are and I don't even know what that will be necessarily like I can't tell you what that's going to mean. I'm sure costs are going to go up in certain ways. But I think if the sport starts to get expensive in that way, there will be things that move in to find the lower cost because I think there's enough interest overall. And again, I think that's just because it's not just one group of people that's joining the sport more and more. What do you think about where things are at? I would have agreed with everything you've said just before COVID. I mean, that's when I started being a race director because I saw the opportunity. I saw that races were selling out. The tons of people were getting into the sport that there is. And this is another observation. I think. And this is I had mentioned this to you before and I couldn't find the article. But Killian once wrote an article sort of saying we call this for ultra trail running, but it is such a broad aspect. How do we define what is an endurance race versus a trail race. You were saying you've done a race that was 8k right. I think there's an opportunity to actually come. Below and create so much more smaller, easier events easier from a difficulty right not everything has to be a ultra distance in order to have people truly experienced trail. And because of that right because we are not just having to push the far limits, but we are actually able to sort of create a whole bunch of foundation in the five to 25 K in whatever 40 K distance right. I think there's a huge opportunity. And I've always seen this. But then COVID hit and I think we are in a sort of like exhaustive hesitant bruised confused say as face right. And we are sort of slowly coming back out of that. Yes, totally it I feel like up here it's been everyone's coming out a little bit more this year and getting a little bit more comfortable on the trails and yeah the numbers are kind of ramping back up because you're right. COVID did knock everything on its ass like that. That's that's what happens right. And I did and I do know again, I like don't really I didn't research it but from a kind of hearing through the great white race directors are struggling trying to find volunteers like people excited to race again and they're signing up. But we're trying because we for two years couldn't do anything we sort of that's my interpretation of it we try to do the things that we want to do and we haven't really come back to this. Oh, I also should get give back to the community right. Because we're still hesitant about how much time we actually want to hang out at the aid stations without a people. Yeah, that's that's true that's interesting and you know what even pre COVID up here and again, this is one case, but I know mountain equipment co up mech. And they've gone through some ownership stuff to and all that could be part of all that mess, but they had stopped some local events to they used to do some really cool like $15 races and they stopped doing those because they were having a lot of hard time drawing up volunteer interest. Yeah, it's interesting I think like you said, people are probably just a little bit weary of kind of doing the aid station thing and not really thinking that part through because you're right, how are we going to how are we going to go play and race if we don't have people to run the aid stations. Yeah, so there's so there's a racing part but would I've always been there? very strong about and I don't know how you even feel personally as an athlete and how you spend your time. One of the beautiful things about our sport is that there's a whole aspect of experiencing the mountains and the trails that have nothing to do with signing up for races and that's beyond just training for races, right? I mean you can go for FKT, you can create adventure routes on your own, you can go and do famous routes, runs, loops that give you an insane amount of satisfaction but I had nothing to do with races. Yeah, absolutely. I mean usually it's based because I have a race coming up but that's just because I usually sign up for a race. No matter what, if you're going out for a long run on the Saturday or the Sunday, it doesn't even have to be a long run. You spend a couple hours in the bush like you don't care what the event is even if you are signed up. That day is awesome and special because you've been out in the bush for two hours and you saw some cool bridges or a waterfall or I don't know, a trail running so funny because you can get in with a group of other adults and sit there and stare at like a couple of ferns and talk about the difference in the greens and everyone's equally engaged into the conversation. It's wonderful out there. I don't know. I think you're alluding to that will never change. That doesn't matter the state of trail running at the top or the bottom. If you're out there with a friend running through the trails, that's a great day. Yeah. But for you personally would you say that these runs out there, they fit into your training plan once your race is for the year or set. Like you don't really, have you ever attempted an FKT or looked at a route that has never been done before or something? Is that something you think about? Not really. I have a good running friend who is very adventurous and always kind of looking into crazy routes and that kind of thing and I love it. I love chatting with him. That's what we run and talk about is just like what kind of craziness is up to. But for myself, I'm like most of us two where it's like, you know, you look at things like I'm never going to challenge for the top, even at my best and as much as I'd love to think that I can do it, I'm just, I don't think I'm up there. And to try and find a route unique enough or something like that, like that's not really where my brain goes, not really where my heart is. I'd rather spend that time on a route I already know with a good friend talking about the stupid routes that he wants to do if that makes sense. No, no, no, that makes sense. So you enjoy the times ending outside, but you do prepare, you're saying you do have to do interval training after this. So you have a training plan. So there is some time involved, preparing of what you need to do once you're wearing your shoes. Yes. It's just not pouring over maps and route finding and making plans. Yeah, exactly. And you know, I, part of it too is as I said, I only moved to Vancouver in 2012. So I moved to West Coast 2009 and we moved to Vancouver 2012 after the Olympics. So I've only been here for a decade and I know that's a long time, but I've only been trail running since 2015, which cuts into the decade. And as you can imagine, the trail network here is just so wild and vast and amazing. Like I don't have to dream up crazy routes to go explore a new trail to me that's amazing. Yeah. So a lot of it's that, you know, I am. And frankly, too, I worked, as I said, I worked in media. I worked as a television news editor for CTV. And frankly, I was a little bit scarred to go into the bush because we'd always have like these North Shore rescue stories and stuff. And you just, you know, it was, and I like, I'd have all the essentials and all that too, but I just, I was like, oh, I can't go off the trail because I've wrote the note and left it in my car because often I'd be by myself too. And it's like, these are the trails I'm going on. So I can't stray from that. And I kind of got into this like safety net of like, you have to plan your route and tell people where you're going to be. And don't stray off of that and stick to the regular ones. And I, I, I should be actually a little bit more adventurous. And it's something I'm actually trying to work on too is to explore a little bit more and get out of my comfort zone. But in a safe and knowledgeable way, so as to not end up on the news. Well, I mean, I mean, I love both sides of our sports. I love races while I'm a race director. But I, I mean, I love the races because it allows people to experience adventure and challenging, and on challenging terrain without having to do all of the homework of how do you keep yourself safe? What should I take with me? What's the weather look like? Right? I mean, realistically, you were signed up for squad 50, 50, touring an atmosphere wherever if you would have done your own mountain adventure and had it planned for that weekend, you would have not done it. Right? Yeah. Oh, for sure. And so there's a good and a bad thing to it on one side. You've got a great story to tell, right? On the other side, if you would have done your own mountain adventure, you would have been smarter. Go ahead. I was going to say that's the fun of the group, right? If you have another dummy and frontier and like, all right, well, let's go. But it is, it is something interesting. I listen to a lot of mountaineering podcasts and I do find that side of our sport incredibly fascinating. I do love this idea of people dreaming up their own routes and it can be something extremely challenging or it can be something very obvious. It doesn't have to be the most difficult thing that that nobody has ever done before, right? I mean, you could come up with a variation of a particular route that works for you that is not necessarily completely bushwhacking off the beaten path, getting eaten by bears, right? Or like, Cougars, like your last cast, I was listening to the podcast before I jumped on there. Oh my gosh, that was quite the story. I know. I'm a little bit worried because we've had Cougars fairly close to town. Now, these last few months, and I wonder if, well, I, practically, I wonder if our insane logging because the prices of timber has gone up so much that our insane logging is driving Cougars out of their habitats and closer to town because these encounters are a little bit more frequent. But again, that's anecdotally, I haven't actually done the research to see if that is truly frequent, more frequently. Who knows? More Cougars is never good. It is never good, especially if the Cougars come to us, right? Yes. More Cougars, that means perhaps we are going to crazy places. I mean, that's where that's fair. There should be. You're a very positive guide. Do you see any negative sites in our sport? Do you see anything worrying, anything concerning, anything where you're like, well, this could go down a wrong path if we don't pay attention and I don't know who the we is? You know, it's so hard to kind of pick on trail running in that respect because like the sustainability of the sport, I think maybe is one where we could kind of do better. And I think a lot of companies and people in general are, but I know there's so much appetite and I'm included. Don't get me wrong. And like, I want to go here and do this race and go there and do that race. And you know, the airplane trips are maybe not the greatest and that kind of thing, especially for someone like myself who lives in Vancouver, like I don't need to travel around the world to run in like these insanely beautiful crazy places. I know that's not always the point either. But if I'm going to like pick on something in a negative, I suppose that's the only thing that I would worry about, but I know like, and I apologize for continuously picking on Gary's race this year, but I know that they've gone like completely carbon neutral and they're like planting trees for every runner and that stuff. So there's answers out there in that, in a positive way. I guess it's almost like jaded from capitalism too, right? Like growth just seems to destroy everything at a point. So I, but that's just like you said, we're not getting into politics and we're not going to go to that road. That's being super pessimistic. I really think that the sport isn't a great spot overall as far as where it could sit in the psyche of you know outdoor athletes and that kind of thing. The people that love the sport are truly passionate about it. They don't waver. It seems like you can go out and find these and these runners and all that at any time. And then the newer runners I find are finding a welcoming spot to land. And then lastly, and I know this is a little inside baseball or whatever you want to say, but I know like the demographic of trail runners and ultra runners overall. I forget what it is, but it's also like a high percentage of people who make like 100k plus a year. Like there's money in this industry. So I think it's going to explode in what you can spend your money on, but I don't necessarily know how useful all of that will be. Well, I mean, that's something that worries me a little bit because because I feel like if there's a line of product that's going to get introduced, that is at a price point, that is being sold as truly having advantages over other product over the whole run-shoot thing right now with the road. Is it the vapor flies that are making everyone like 4% faster than ever recordable? Something a little bit like that right because it's not so much me personally that I'm like, "Oh, now I have to spend 400 dollars, I suppose to 150 dollars on a pair of shoes." It becomes less inclusive and equitable right? I think I'm a little bit worried that if this sport continues to professionalize itself and people are chasing that, that a baseline will be said that will be not as welcoming as the basic baseline that running always had, which is if you already have a pair of shoes fine-apare sneakers go and run right? It allows that level of participation and I hope that we can continue to embrace that part of our sport. Absolutely, I think, and this is maybe along the lines of what you're talking about with Killian and the Altra and Trail difference and that kind of thing too, because I think Trail running overall is safe. I think we are kind of chasing these bigger distances. You're right, I think the smaller ones are going away. I think there, once, and this is a lot of I think I think I think, but once the COVID weirdness levels out even more and people come out that much more regularly and get more comfortable with it and we kind of get back to where it was as far as signups. There's enough of an appetite there for the smaller races that there will be people that move into that space. That's my hope with growth anyway and that's what happens in industry overall usually, right? I think that's what happens in the future. So I think those trail running and those shorter, but in here, so that's the catch. The trail running and the shorter races and all that will still exist and hopefully it can be incubated enough where people feel welcome and they want to keep going out because the Altra side of things, if it's like any other professional sport, like kids by hockey sticks because people in the NHL use them, people buy baseball bats because people in the MLB use them like whatever you want, whatever you want to use, it's because it comes from the highest. So I'm sure that that's where we're going to get the gear from the $400 shoes and like you said, hopefully there are companies that will move into that lower echelon as well because Altra running I think is not an inclusive sport. You don't just need a pair of shoes to run 50k's, you know? Like there is gear, there is signups, there is even if you have a race in your hometown, so you can train and do all that. Like it's not cheap and you're going to go through quite a bit of gear and just the amount of training. Yeah, the training aspect, right? Right. It's a big aspect to not everybody can dedicate that amount of time to a sport, to a past time, right? Exactly, exactly. I'm very, I love trail running, I love the altars I've been able to do and train for them. I'm very cognizant of the fact that it's a very privileged thing to do. I mean, I love your perspective and I don't know if it's, well, let's just not say, say it's just because you're Canadian, let's say because it's you. No, I appreciate it because I think over here, down here, I often am surrounded by people who very much look at running, trail running through the lens of the professional world. What is Jim Wamsley doing? What is Courtney Dowwater doing? And you know how it is. I mean, our podcast sit in the sports category, but the sports category is overrun by people doing podcasts about professional sports and not actually participating themselves, right? They are armchair quarterbacks. They are, they're sitting in there just talking about a sport and I feel like I sometimes am surrounded by people who, they are trail running themselves, but as they're talking, the world, the, the mind chair is sort of occupied with what the pros are doing. It's not what they are doing. They're influencing, there's a few of influence ideas, three runners around them, but they talk about the big pros. It's easy to want to emulate that, right? Like that makes a lot of sense and to have that, if, and that's part of what's out there too as far as coverage, right? Like you're going to probably read and see media about those super famous professional runners and that kind of thing too. So I don't know. I'm, I, like we've already said, I'm kind of more in my own bubble in that way and the people that I get to get out and train with and run with and meet in that way. I love following their stories and again, like this, this run group that I was telling you about, I, all these people I run with end up on the podiums and all these races and through my newsletter, I've got to reach people, you know, in the US, but also like in Europe and some in Africa as well and just like South America too. Yeah, all over the world anyway, but yeah, it's just been fun to hear the takes. And then the coolest thing too is when you're reading like people's favorite trail running moments or whatever from all over the world, how similar they are. Like everyone's is different, but everyone's the same and it kind of makes it, like it, it makes you realize a trail runner is probably a trail runner is probably a trail runner. We all just love it for what it is. And I think it's more pure than like yours because we're involved in it. I don't know, like people love football because they get to watch it and maybe they play once in a while too, but like it's, I don't know, it's not the same. It's, yeah, it's the same and it is sort of the core, what makes our sport on high level, what makes our sport so unique that we get to run the same race or the same distance of a race or even actually stand on the starting line with the greatest ultra runners in the world, right? You can't do that with almost every other sport. I mean, I can talk soccer, but I'm not going to play soccer with now I have to mention like somebody that's not like Ronaldo or whatever. Now I have to say Thomas Muno, there we go, right? And let's let's let's name a German. Right? I mean, but you know what I'm going to mean, right? I mean, you get to play your sport and you get to play it without the need of a specific, I mean, you can, you can, you can, you know, ice hockey is your, is your frame of reference, right? I mean, if the lake's free, it's over then everybody plays ice hockey, but in order to play it, you have to go to a stadium hall, whatever, what arena, arena, thank you, right? And then, and that's often then means you probably have to join a club or a team or something like that, right? So the idea of just playing it doesn't really exist for most of our other sports and that's one of the beautiful things about try to running, right? Yeah, absolutely. And even if, as you said, even if you're not running, you can just show up and like there's like, oh, there's that person I love who does all this crazy stuff and it's just hanging out. Like it's, it's super unique in that respect. So, um, are we telling, are we telling the right stories as the media? Are there more stories that we should be telling because sometimes it feels like we're just chasing the professional runners in our storytelling? How do we go up to better stories? To more than the stories? Right. This is what I'm, I'm curious about and it's such a, um, topic to sure. It's awesome. So, I'm going to turn around on you actually for a quick question. What do you want to see out of the top of the sport? Would you like something where it's like, sad or super sadder day or whatever? Like, would you want something that you can consume on TV on whatever, however you stream it? Like a live event. Is that something that interests you? I mean, it really doesn't. I think the internet for me has killed live events because like on demand, I would watch a summary of something maybe, but I barely watch any live sport. You know, live sport would use to be a thing, but I'm such an on demand person now that I, I don't know. Do I enjoy, um, catching a glimpse of some of the big races, some of the big events? Absolutely, but I spend, I try to spend very, I try to spend very little solo time in front of a TV. I mean, it's family time. and they may watch movies, I'm not really into the professional sport scene much. >> That's totally fair. And I'm a big blue jays fan. I'm a sucker all watch most of the games, but I have it on in the background too. I'm not completely devoted to it. But I see a lot of that. This is what was birding into my thought is just I've seen a lot of, how do we make the coverage interesting? How do we get people's eyes on the sport? And I don't have the appetite for it personally. I don't think you can make Killian so interesting dominating a race. Because it's still just someone running through the trail. I need to be there to experience that. And so I read about the race there this past weekend after you told me about it in the previous email. And I heard that they were a second apart from miles and miles and miles and miles. That's fascinating, that's great. But it still would be terribly boring television. >> Yeah, I mean, it was in three and a half hour race at the game and Killian in the second place when I was named, I don't even remember. They basically traded leads for two thirds of the race and they've been shooting it down. >> Which is awesome. >> Which is awesome. No, it made absolutely for an incredible experience. I don't know, people were there, but it was three and a half hours, right? I mean, it's a little bit, I don't know, perhaps Formula One is an interesting comparison. Where the cars don't have a chance of overtaking and sometimes you have to have been there to watch that one pit stop that changes the entire race. >> Yep. >> Right, and if you don't- >> But it's timed at least, right? Like, F1 races are 90 minutes, are they not? >> No, it's not timed, it's loops. Usually it's like, you know, they have to run like 50 loops or something like that, right? >> Okay, I thought it was and then I thought I tuned in recently and saw a timer. I don't know, it doesn't matter. >> Yeah. >> Off tangent aside. >> Right, no, absolutely. >> But what I'm saying is, right? It's sort of, I remember watching Formula One years ago when Miguel Chumahadah German was driving and yeah, you're spending three hours, four hours on a race. It was like pre and post coverage and stuff, right? But then very few, unless there are accidents, you know, cars blow up or whatever, there's very few actual changes. There's very few, like, wow, something really happened, right? >> Right, yeah, it's all not predetermined but pretty close to predetermined. >> Yeah. >> And my- >> There is something fascinating about our sport with bringing, creating these events and sort of creating these visuals and allowing people to have these experience and they're, you know, they're beautiful if they're running around more blow. I mean, that is something that is visually stunning. >> Yes. >> Right? >> But for me, I've always been somebody who is more interested in the story after if somebody did a cool video or a cool story about their experience running the Grand Canyon or running a special project and if they are special project was that race, then I'm interested. But I mean, runner 395 equally has an interesting story, right? >> Yes, absolutely. I can't recall where I read this and I apologize for that but someone had mentioned recently that trail running needs what F1 had with that Netflix series and a reality show based around something and I would totally get into that. Like if there was a reality show about one of the big races and it going on and some runners leading up to it, like, yeah, that would be fantastic. I think that would be fun media to consume and a great way to introduce runners to everyday people because people will binge watch, I mean, look at all the fans, F1 grew. Those people didn't weren't race fans going in, they grew to be race fans through the series. So there's potential to make fans like that. I think you could find there are characters in this sport, there's no doubt about that. And like you said, runner 395 is just as interesting as runner number one. You don't need to just tune in to the high level pros when you're doing a series like that. You could find runner 395 and have them equally featured. Yeah, it would be interesting. I know I run far as always and there's a logistics and I'm not trying to criticize them. But they've always done like, okay, we follow the top 10 runners from maybe Western stage, eight stage, right? But we can't stay for the all race. But it would be interesting to sort of as a media team go to one of those big races and essentially draw a number. And say, okay, bib number 495, we follow you for the race. And we give coverage of bib number 495. That would be super great. Right. And so basically it's like, okay, we have these five 10 runners and we pulled bib numbers out of the hat beforehand. And obviously we asked them if they agreed to get over. But they said you follow their race and you would get a completely different coverage and experience based on based on that, right? Absolutely. And you know, like, you know, to, to, because now you just got the juices flowing there, you could, someone in yourself, if you had the race director, you could have someone ahead of time too. So you've got pre-interview set up with them and they're ready for race day, you know? But yeah, that, that, that would be fun. Because this sport, as you said, too, is so much about the, the back of the pack, the middle of the pack, like the high level is what gets the media attention. Like you said, and that's what drives everything. But there's so much more to it. And like you said, it's because we can tow the same start line at the same time. It's not like the, we'll go back to the arena, but it's not like the Friday night midnight hockey guys. They're never going to step on the same ice at the same time as the guys at the high level but in running it happens. Yeah. I like it. Cool. Anything else? Have we covered anything else? Anything gear? We talked about the, we talked about the expensive shoes. Have you had any gear that has been life changing for you? Any gear? I, I trained with poles last year when I was training for Squamish because I had originally signed up for Whistler and the permits got pulled and everything. So, but I had run with the poles for a few months before all that had happened and poles are, that's a whole, oh yeah, that's a difference maker. Really smokes that was really cool and getting like practicing with them and training with them and getting better with them and like, you know, on the way down even like kind of using them on berms and stuff was super fun. So there, that was a game changer and I have to unapologetically give a shout out to Black Diamond as well because I broke one with less than 100 kilometers on it and they replaced it right away, sent them out, no questions at all and they were the carbon ones. So they really didn't have to do that. They could have broke just because but it was really great customer service. Fantastic. Yeah, I do think that poles make a big, big difference. I mean, I'm European. I've been doing the pole thing. I've been okay with doing the pole thing for years. I am, I'm not afraid of poles. I know that you couldn't use them at Squamish, right? Squamish is no poles but Whistler is, poles are okay. Yes, that's great because it was the 100 K. I was 110 and I don't know if all distances are but the 110 you definitely were allowed to use them. Awesome. Well, what's on the race calendar? What's on the summer calendar for you coming up? Well, I'll bridge a couple of different things because the newsletter side, I'm really excited. I've got a feature coming out the first day of summer. I have got a few hours actually left but by the time we record it won't be out. I've got at least 30 people who've given me their best trail running tips from seven different countries so far and I'm going to put that out first day of summer. That's going to be a resource more aimed at like newer trail runners because I have a good personal friend Simon who's just started trail running and inspired me to put this together. So that's the sort of thing that I'm looking forward to on the newsletter. The other thing I'm looking forward to is there's a golf island here called Galeano Island. It's an awesome little one. There's plenty of them but it means a lot to me because we have friends who let us stay there. I've learned a lot of the trails there and I'm trying to get involved with the trail running community a little bit more there. So I've got a feature coming out on Galeano Island on why everyone should visit and run there. I'm really excited for that. That's going to come out in the next couple of weeks right around the beginning of summer as well. And then on the run side, I'm super stoked to be running Buck and Hell another Gary course. So we're going to run the relay together at the end of July and we're really sinking ourselves into it. That's why I've got intervals to go run because we want to send him into parenthood with the best possible outcome. So that's the only race I've got officially on the calendar. I said this year to my wife after training for nine months for the 50/50 last year that this year would be a lot more relaxed. So that's sort of been the plan here which I really enjoyed too. It's just been fun to kind of go out and run to run and I've got a race to look forward to but I'm hoping to put something on the calendar in the fall. I don't know what I have no idea what the idea is. I'm just keep telling myself that something will land in my lap and make sense and I'm hoping it'll be like a 50 but I don't know. I'm just really looking forward to Buck and Hell and I have the relay is one person does the climb and one person does the descent and I've got the descent half. So 24k with 700 meters of elevation but 1700 meters of descending. Nice nice. Yes. Bucking hell got a new course layout right? It starts at the top so you decide that you will have to first leg. Yes yes that's right we're starting and finishing at the top for the first time which is going to be so much fun because deep cove is beautiful and awesome but it is a pain in the butt to park and I know as we were talking more challenges I know every year that they had to deal with with the locals just hating on how early it was and taking over and I can't blame people either. It is what it is they're at the top of the mountain now it's going to be so much more fun it's going to be like an actual party for the run. Yeah that sounds fantastic. 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