Jury Intimidation at Lindsay Clancy Trial, and Tyler Robinson's Lawyer LIES About Charlie Kirk Being "Hateful" | Ep. 1390

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Wednesday. We are still on verdict watch in the Lindsay Clancy trial. Yesterday, Judge William Sullivan ordering the jury to keep deliberating after they said they were deadlocked. And they are still going as of this moment, though there was some drama in court this morning. We'll bring you the updates, substantive updates that is, from the jury as we get them. But wait until you hear what happened outside of court yesterday and then there was a follow-up this morning. At approximately 3.40 p.m. as the jury was exiting the courthouse, they asked if they could leave at 3.30 and they were given permission. Massachusetts State Police arrested a 56-year-old retired nurse. Named Dawn Light for allegedly filming jurors. She was arraigned today for the felony charge of, quote, intimidation of witnesses, jurors, and persons furnishing information in connection with criminal proceedings. We're looking at her now for the listening audience. She's somewhat heavyset. She's got very bleach blonde hair. She looks like she's, well, I think I just said she was late 50s. She looks sort of apathetic here, like everyone's wasting her time. She's not sure why she's here. She's not, I don't know, on the larger side. Can't tell how tall she is. And the real question is, what the hell was this woman doing filming jurors? Well, we know a little bit more. First of all, this charge carries up to 20 years in prison on a case like this, where the potential penalty is life in prison. Normally, it's a 10-year potential sentence. Here, it's up to 20. Now, I think that kind of a sentence is reserved for, you know. Nice puppy you have here. Shame if anything happened to it. If, you know, Mr. Buttafuoco was found guilty in this trial. It's kind of that situation. But filming jurors is no small deal. This is actually very serious, what she's accused of doing. Now, her attorney says, oh, it's all just a huge misunderstanding. That she was caught just trying to get a picture of Lindsay Clancy. And then Light, this morning, pleaded not guilty. And is due back in court next month. Outside the courthouse, this woman was treated like she's a celebrity and appeared to be loving it. Here's video posted by NewsNation's Brian Enten. Watch. How do you feel that you're a celebrity now? She's giggling. So, so fun to have basically shut the trial down and scared the jurors. Ha, ha, ha. Laugh riot. They don't have enough pressure on them. Apparently. Miss Light is a big true crime junkie. I mean, I think, certainly I am. She'd certainly enjoy our new series, MK Confidential, on the double life of Scott Peterson. It's doing very well. Oh, my trusty team has actually pulled a clip from last night's episode, too. Can I tell you, I'm getting the greatest feedback on this particular series. But MK Confidential in general, I love, love, love hearing from all of you. And there's obviously a lot of true crime, true junkies like me in our audience. Here is. Um, the clip we pulled from last night's episode two of our latest series on the double life of Scott Peterson. Here he is telling the story of the Christmas Eve that Lacey went missing. Scott's version and the version that the police say really happened. Watch. And then Burkini tells Scott what's bothering him an hour into the tape. What concerns me the most is the fact that your dog came home with a leash on. That bothers me. I mean. Is that a question? Yeah. Um, what concerns me most is doing anything I can to further progress. I appreciate that. Burkini asks him where he wants to go. Physically, Scott says, back to my home. The polygraph is scheduled for the next afternoon, Christmas Day, with an agent from the California Department of Justice coming by to assist. At one o'clock, as detectives are waiting for him, they get a phone call. Scott has changed his mind. He says his father, Lee, told him taking a polygraph was not a good idea. Scott Peterson will never take a police polygraph. And we all know why. Delving back into this case is, I mean, it's, it's been on my mind. Like, Sarah was overdoing my hair this morning. It was all she and I could talk about. It's just, it's such a crazy case. And it's unbelievable that it's still ongoing. He is still. He's still trying to get a new trial. There was just a big ruling in April. Just when you think you're done with this guy, he pops back up. Okay, but back to our lead story here about this dawn light. We are still a couple months out, but the midterms are fast approaching. And make no mistake, if the house flips, it is a big deal for our economy. 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People noticed her in the restricted area because the jurors are brought in and brought out through this special door and area, and they're trying to keep them the hell away from people. People like Don Light for their own protection. And we don't have any entitlement to see, speak to, much less harass the jurors. Truly, these people do have it hard enough. They're under a lot of pressure. So she gets arrested and apparently Don Light gave police her phone and they didn't see pictures of the jurors on there. So that would support her claim of innocence. But then, reportedly, they looked at her deleted phone. Photos on her phone. And they did find a video of the jurors. She pleaded not guilty. But that, I mean, that is not a good fact if they found a video of the jurors on her phone. I mean, that's, this woman's in a shit ton of trouble right now. She's a retired nurse, Connecticut insider. They cover Connecticut, but they've been heavily covering the Clancy trial in Massachusetts, not too far away. They say that, Don Light has insisted she was not trying to intimidate anyone. And yet, and she says, just trying to get Lindsay Clancy as she left the courthouse, quote, that's the long and the short of it. I don't know how I intimidated anyone. Well, here, I'll tell you, you apparently took video of the jurors as they were exiting the courthouse and it was found on your phone and the jurors saw you. The jurors felt intimidated. This is one of the ways we believe that the, the information got back to the court. And now today, here's what happened. Judge William Sullivan opened court Wednesday by speaking to all 18 jurors. There's 12 plus six alternates individually. That's a big deal for the judge to decide to sit down individually with each juror and reminding everyone about the order he has written, protecting jurors, witnesses, and attorneys in this case after this woman's arrest. Quote, I just want to remind, everybody here and elsewhere that there's been an order that's been issued in regards to the conducting of this case, as well as statutes in the Commonwealth, which relate to jurors, witnesses, attorneys, and others, um, in this proceeding. And everybody should be well aware that that order and that statute is being enforced and will be enforced. The 12 deliberating jurors and the six alternates then came to the bench one by one to speak to the judge. The judge and the attorneys in the case, though, the reporters in the room could not hear the actual discussion. I mean, this, this is the judge trying to make sure no individual juror felt intimidated. And I don't want to put the cart before the horse because we're going to get to this. Um, okay. I'm trying to get my Scott Peterson episodes clear. It's either tomorrow night or Friday. But there was an issue in that case with the foreman of the jury. Um, the foreman of the jury, when they were deliberating, actually went to the judge and said, I, I don't think I can be fair anymore. I feel pressured and intimidated. And I don't like, I hear the chance outside and my fellow jurors are kind of threatening me and I'm not sure I can make a choice anymore. Just based on the evidence. in front of me and he was removed. So this is extraordinary. extremely serious. If you have jurors who are already saying that they're hopelessly deadlocked, so there's already a fight underway. And now you have, you know, the pink shirt brigade outside the courthouse, obviously wanting a certain verdict from these jurors when it comes to Lindsay Clancy's alleged postpartum psychosis, they're supporters of hers. And then there's been another contingent supporting a guilty finding wearing white shirts, we were told, although that confuses me because half the shirts in the world are white. So I'm not sure exactly how you do it, but apparently they're doing it in a way that's identifiable. And then on top of that, the jurors see this woman videotaping them. And I have to tell you, I'm concerned that it appears she may have lied. Why does she have a video of the jury on her phone and then told the judge she was just there to get Lindsay Clancy? By the way, we all have video of Lindsay Clancy. We see it every time we take a shot inside of that court. It's not hard to get video of Lindsay Clancy. So what was this woman actually doing there? I'm not satisfied we're getting the straight skinny. You know, this reminds me of, I'm not going to say the name because I don't know how the case worked out, but a friend of mine had video. Maybe I've talked about this. I can't remember. In any event, here's what happened. His ex-wife was with her kids at the beach and she saw an old woman, older man, and he looked maybe 70, videotaping her young children. And I'm pretty sure we did talk about this on the air. I just not a hundred percent. Anyway, she called the cops, got them involved. And then her ex-husband, who we know, showed up at the guy's house. He didn't go on the man's property, but he demanded to see the guy's phone. And the guy was like, oh, I'm deleting all the photos of, you know, your children. I, it was inadvertent. I was just taking pictures of the beach. Well, really then why did the picture seem to be focused on, you know, children, but he deleted everything. And the real question was what was in the guy's deleted photo album? Like that, that's really where we needed to go. Right. And, and this woman too, like what was in the deleted photos and why was she taking pictures of the jurors? If it was inadvertent, why didn't she just say that? Uh, and so we have to know more, we have to know more about what her purpose was. And I'm not, I don't know that she's going to be getting jail time, but I'd be fine with her getting jail time. If in fact she was there to intimidate any one of those jurors. Um, okay. I want to keep going because on this case, we talked yesterday about postpartum depression and how for a lot of women, this has become the central theme of this trial. You know, the medical system's not paying enough attention to it and the court's not taking it seriously enough. And you know, this damn prosecutor and prosecution that doesn't seem to take it seriously. And we mentioned Brooke Shields. So do you guys remember when Brooke Shields came out publicly and talked about her postpartum? It happened in 2003. And, um, you know, I've read a bunch about Brooke Shields recently because I, over the summer, I read, uh, Andre Agassi's open and they were married. If you may recall, uh, and she's featured quite a bit in his memoir, which was written by the same guy who wrote Prince Harry's memoir, great writer. And, uh, just suffice it to say it was a mismatch between Agassi and Brooke Shields, even though he grew up obsessing over her, like most boys who are Gen Xers. Uh, and he was one of the most, if not the most accomplished tennis player in the world. So, um, I think that's about all they had in common. I think that's about all they had in common. And the way he writes about her in that book, he suggests, I don't know whether it's true, but he suggests Brooke was materialistic, rather shallow, um, kind of surface level and didn't have the heart and the soul of somebody that he could fall madly in love with. I think he married her because she was Brooke Shields. Uh, so sorry if that's not right, but that's my takeaway. So they got a divorce. He doesn't write the nice, things about her, although he tries to protect her in some ways. And now he wound up married to Steffi Graf, the greatest female tennis player of all time. And they're happily married and have two beautiful children. So Brooke Shields went on to get married to somebody else and she had her kids and look, she's another person who was a Hollywood child star who was totally over-sexualized by a disgusting, toxic industry. Go look at, um, Blue Lagoon. Where she starred as this girl who'd been shipwrecked on this island with her cousin. And it's just the two of them. He's a boy and they come of age together and they wind up having sex together. She's running around without her shirt on the entire, she's only 15 when she's shooting this. And she was stunningly gorgeous. I do think she was literally one of the most beautiful people on earth. And, um, of course people wanted to pay to look at Brooke Shields which is how she became a successful model and actress. But this level was so inappropriate for a 15 year old girl and the adult themes of the movie. She was having sex with her cousin. I believe it was the cousin in the, in the movie. They had a baby. Anywho, then there was endless love. I mean, Brooke Shields was completely over-sexualized in her modeling and her acting when she was young. And you don't have to take my word for it. She addresses it in a documentary. She made about her life not long ago, which was very interesting. Well, Brooke Shields had postpartum depression after she had her daughter in 2003. And look, I'm not saying that there's no such thing as postpartum depression. I'm just saying there are lots of reasons for Brooke Shields to run headfirst into the wall of depression. She'd been through a lot. All those things I just mentioned, a failed marriage to Andre Agassi, um, a lifetime of superficial people. That she'd been surrounded by in Hollywood, sexual exploitation from a very young and tender age and a mother who seemed very interested in riding that racehorse to, you know, fame and wealth, in my opinion. So she spoke out about it. She wrote about it in her memoir and we actually pulled it. We actually pulled the part of the memoir when she describes, um, this moment where she had the urge to drive her car into a wall of depression. And she said, I don't know, I don't know. She was driving her daughter, Rowan Francis is the daughter's name. She was born in the spring of 2003. Let's take a listen. But I started feeling like I no longer mattered. I became more and more disoriented. Once again, I felt awkward and began panicking. This time it had nothing to do with Rowan, but instead had everything to do with how I felt about myself. It felt physical, like I was about to get sick or faint. I couldn't understand, what was happening. I had been doing so well. My heart began to race. My hearing became muffled and I had to get out of there immediately. I stood up and looked at my watch, scooping up the baby. I gathered our things and said quick goodbyes all the while pretending that I needed to get Rowan home and into bed because it was getting late. Walking quickly to my car, I began to cry. I got the baby in the car seat and left the lot as soon as possible. Then the tears, flooded down. I hit traffic on the drive home and started getting the terrible feeling that I was going to ram the car into the wall on the side of the freeway. The baby was in the back and although I didn't think of hurting her, I wanted to smash violently through the window myself. Thank God the baby was in the car because this urge was so strong that I feared I would actually do it. How ironic that she was saving me from hurting myself. For a reason I can't explain, I called my mother. Whatever my condition was, she was there for me. She was there for me. Crazy reason for calling her first, I did and I scared the daylights out of her. She tried calming me down and told me that these feelings were only temporary. I hung up, leaving her desperately concerned. Rowan and I finally got home. I was shaking. Okay, so Brooke Shields clearly had some issues around postpartum and she said, she wrote in her book that she took medication. You heard some of it there. She took medication and then she stopped it, cold turkey, for her postpartum depression but didn't tell her doctors or her husband. She was on Paxil and then she went back on Paxil after this incident. She was very brave to admit all of that because it did open a conversation about postpartum depression for women back in 2003. Then famously or infamously, depending on your POV, Tom Cruise, went on the Today Show with Matt Lauer and this happened. Aren't there examples and might not Brooke Shields be an example of someone who benefited from one of those drugs? All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in a body. So postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological guidance? No, no I did not say that. I'm just asking, what would you call it? that post now you're talking about two different things that's what she went on the antidepressant for but what happens the antidepressant all it does is mask the problem there's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things i'm not saying that that isn't real that's not what i'm saying that's an alteration of what what i'm saying the thing that i'm saying about brooke is that there's misinformation okay and she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry she she doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it man but a little bit what you're saying tom is you say you want people to do well but you want them to do well by taking the road that you approve of as opposed to a road that may work for them no no i'm not well if antidepressants work for brook shields why isn't that okay i i disagree with it and i think that there's a higher and better quality of life and i think that promoting for me personally see you're saying what i can't discuss what i want to discuss you absolutely i know but matt you're going in and saying that that i can't discuss that i'm only asking isn't there a possibility that do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people that yes there are abuses and yes maybe they've gone too far in certain areas maybe there are too many kids on ritalin maybe electric shock kids on ritalin i'm just saying but but aren't there examples where it works you don't even you're glib you don't even know what ritalin is so tom cruise got excoriated for that and i don't know about you but it looks so different to me now i mean we have over medicated america you get an itch and they got a pill for that you know they're talking about putting glp-1s in six-year-olds um and yes adhd medication can be useful in limited circumstances you heard dr leonard sachs talking about that last week but they give out those pills like they're candy the mothers are stealing the kids ritalin and adderall as like a mother's little helper drug now um and dr sachs was talking about the long-term effects of those drugs on children you know we we have gotten so knee-jerk on the prescription pads that it's out of control and and you know show me a school shooting that doesn't involve an ssri not saying that they're causing it but certainly don't seem to be preventing it and i do believe in many cases they are aggravating a person's symptoms i don't reject them as a tool that belongs in a psychiatrist's toolbox i argue that they are over prescribed and that in many people they seem to have very adverse consequences and then we just shrug our shoulders when these people do something horrible and we never really talk about what role the drug may have played we only look at the mental illness i mean this is one of the reasons why people don't want to see lindsay clancy convicted of first-degree murder i'm not one of them as i've told you but i understand the people who are like look at look at the drugs she was given look at the fuller picture because there's reason to believe that she wasn't criminally responsible now i believe the argument is she wasn't entirely responsible that others had a hand in exacerbating her problems but the criminal law doesn't care about that you know if i go to rob a bank and you drive me there you're going down too i don't get excused just because you drove me you're going down too so and there and there are civil suits against the medical uh care the the people who were purportedly responsible for lindsey clancy's medical care so in any event it's very interesting to listen to the argument now as as the argument now as as the argument now as as the argument now uh as as it's being debated by jurors at this moment 12 23 p.m eastern time on september 2nd in a boston or a massachusetts jury deliberation room after the tom cruise exchange on the today show a couple things happened brooke shields wrote an op-ed dated july 1st 2005 for the new york times she said she writes i was hoping it wouldn't come to this but after tom cruise's interview with matt lauer on the nb nbc show today i feel compelled to speak not just for myself but also for hundreds of thousands of women who have suffered from postpartum depression while mr cruz says that mr lauer and i do not understand the history of psychiatry i'm going to take a wild guess and say that mr cruz has never suffered from postpartum depression it's caused by the hormonal shifts that occur after childbirth during pregnancy a level of estrogen progesterone she gets into all that she writes after the baby was born i felt completely overwhelmed this baby was a stranger to me i didn't know what to do with her i didn't feel at all joyful i attributed feelings of doom to simple fatigue and figured that they would eventually go away but they didn't in fact they got worse i couldn't bear the sound of rowan crying and i dreaded it the moments my husband would bring her to me i wanted her to disappear i wanted to disappear at my lowest points i thought of swallowing a bottle of pills or jumping out the window of my apartment i couldn't believe it when my doctor told me that i was suffering from postpartum depression and gave me a prescription for the antidepressant paxil i wasn't thrilled to be taking drugs in fact i prematurely stopped taking them and had a relapse that almost led me to drive my car into a wall with rowan in the back seat we played you the excerpt from her memoir but the drugs along with weekly therapy sessions are what saved me and my family she goes on to write and comments like those made by tom cruise are a disservice to most of my family. from Times Square. We were on the Upper West Side. And if you've ever been to Times Square and gone to a Broadway show, you've been exactly where this happened, exactly where this happened. It was on, I think, 42nd, 43rd, and 7th or Broadway, which is exactly where the theater district is. This woman who had been struggling with mental health problems, and her brother has now gone on the record saying she had postpartum and bipolar, exactly what we're hearing about Lindsay Clancy. And I'm not convinced he didn't just take that from the Lindsay Clancy news coverage, but whatever. Let's say it was real, that that's what this woman had suffered years ago, years and years ago. Postpartum is not something that you have for years. That's one of the issues in the Lindsay Clancy trial, is the prosecution's witnesses were saying that it's something that you have for weeks, maybe a couple of months. You don't have it for eight months after your baby's born. There was some dispute about it. But you certainly don't have it for 20 years after, like this psycho in Times Square had. Allegedly, according to the brother, but was also reportedly bipolar. So another accusation that was made in the Lindsay Clancy claim that was made in her case. So this woman puts a knife in, it looks like a red Target bag, went into the heart of Times Square and stabbed two people, a 68-year-old man who's recovering, and a 32-year-old new mother who is dead. It's the saddest story. Erin Piacenti is the victim. Look at her. She looks so sweet. She looks so young. Here she is, all smiles, with her just below shoulder length, auburn hair, in her t-shirt and shorts at some sort of a party or event. She had everything going for her. She had just gotten married, not too long ago, I think two years ago. And she had just gotten back from maternity leave. It was her first week back on the job, four days before she was stabbed to death. She posted a photo of herself on social media, holding her newborn daughter and standing beaming next to her husband. She wrote how grateful she was to have spent the past five months on maternity leave and about how her daughter had recently been baptized. What a waste. What a waste. This girl had everything going for her. She had gone to the University of Pennsylvania, which is a great Ivy League school. She wound up at Fordham Law. And then she took a job at Bank of America. And because she worked at Bank of America, some goons online have been celebrating her murder. It's Luigi Mangione all over again. This is an example of what we found over on Blue Sky, you know, the liberal ex. She's a VP, not some dewy-eyed intern. Her position is motive enough. Another one. Good work. Another one. Finally, some good news. Another one. Excellent. More of this. Stand up against the greedy bottom feeders. Because she worked at Bank of America? Do you have any idea what she did at Bank of America? Maybe she was in human resources. Maybe she was enforcing your weird, woke rules that you authoritarians have tried to force us all to live under for the past six years. You have no idea. The weird knee-jerk instinct to condemn somebody who's working for the machine. Fuck you. You know these are losers hanging out in their parents' basements with shitty jobs, jealous of anybody who works hard and achieves a modicum of success. The soullessness that you would have to exhibit. To say something like that after a new mother whose baby daughter now has no mama is beyond. This is not a person who's salvageable. These people, multiple, we just pulled a couple examples. They are not salvageable. They are not people with whom we can deal or negotiate on the future of our country and political reform. F off is the only appropriate response to them. So this poor woman is now dead her grieving husband, suddenly a widower, and her baby has no mother. And we'll never know this mother. We'll never know. Had no time with her. Had five months with her. And these are the types of things that make you question faith, you know, if you're a faithful person. And then we restore it. But in the moment, you just ask how, how, how, how, how can a loving God allow that? How can a woman have five months of birth? How can he take this woman away from her child within five, in such a stupid, pointless way? This isn't somebody who donned a uniform and went and fought for the country. She was just going to do her job. And she got stabbed to death by some freaking psychopath in Times Square, who appears to have had no motive other than her deranged mind and thinking. And now we got to listen to the brother. I'm not blaming him, but talk to us about postpartum depression and bipolar disorder. Bipolar. By the way, the stabber's dead too, because then she turned the knife on cops who'd first tried to tase her. It didn't work. There actually is a report in the New York Post this morning suggesting it was her wide girth that, that made the tasers ineffective. She was a heavy lady with a lot of fat on her body. And the suggestion is that that somehow made the tasers not have an effect. And she was threatening the cops saying she was going to stab them. And then they shot her and she's dead. So we have two people dead. One recovering, the 68 year old Rhode Island man is expected to recover. And for what? The history of this woman's mental health issues appears to have been rather considerable. In December, 2018, officers found her. Cisneros is her last name. Pamela, Pamela Cisneros was the stabber. She had at least two previous encounters with police. December, 2018, officers found her screaming and belligerent on Lexington Avenue at 49th in Midtown and determined she was intoxicated, according to an internal police report obtained by the New York Times. The other happened less than four months later on March 6th, 2019, when she attempted to jump in front of a southbound E train on the Kew Gardens Union Turnpike subway station in Queens. So she tried to take her own life. And she, she had another incident where she was publicly intoxicated. Look, we used to have institutions in New York used to be a thing that we would, we would do. And when you had somebody who you thought was a threat to society, as this woman clearly was, though, you know, not sure how long we would have kept her, but certainly trying to throw yourself instead of in front of a train would have gotten you committed. At one point in this country, but we got rid of them, we got rid of institutionalization, we got rid of these facilities, they used to be, you know, like one flew over the cuckoo's nest situation. And some investigative reporter named Nellie Bly back, you know, 100 plus years ago did some expose that led to a lot of them closing. But as we moved into the 20th century, more and more, we started to talk about the rights of the mentally ill, their quote, rights, their civil rights, not to be institutionalized. And we began downsizing beds, New York State systematically slashed its, its inpatient psychiatric beds by over 90% and wanted to replace them with neighborhood mental health clinics and outpatient support. Guess how that went? We didn't do any of that shit. We just turned people out on the street. And now they're running around killing innocents. I mean, I'm just I'm just so sick of hearing about the civil rights of the mentally insane. I really am like, what about my civil rights and your civil rights to stay alive? What about the civil rights of this poor Bank of America? Young mom, Aaron Piacente to go home to her five month old daughter? What about that? What about the civil rights of the five month old baby to have her mother come home and tuck her in at night and breastfeed her and take care of her the way God intended? Just sick of this bullshit. There is another case in the news today involving an innocent American injured by leftist policies. And the failure to institutionalize is 100% a leftist issue. I think most conservatives are beyond ready to see these facilities brought back and to see liberal sentencing of the estate. PRESIDENT TRUMP MENTIONED IT IN THE STATE OF THE UNION But you may remember the news story when it broke because it was June of 2024. What happened was out in California, an illegal alien from India caused a multi-car pileup while driving a commercial 18-wheeler. He was in the sanctuary state of California. He drove an unsafe speed, according to the authorities, and he failed to stop for traffic and a construction zone. Governor Gavin Newsom's Department of Motor Vehicles had issued him his commercial driver's license, and he caused this wreck. And unfortunately, Delilah was in the car with her dad, Marcus Coleman. He told KBAK that Delilah, who lives in Bakersfield, was on her way to Victorville in California at the time with her stepfather in a Toyota Corolla when the crash happened just after midnight. They say that he failed to stop for traffic and a construction zone. And poor Delilah was catastrophically injured. She was five at the time. Now she's seven. And her dad, Marcus, sat in front of that panel, which included Democrats like Jamie Raskin and Pramila Jayapal, and had a very strong message for them. Listen. How are you guys not fighting for this? Right here. I reject your guys' sympathy, to be honest with you. There's no way you guys are sorry. Not one of you guys have ever called me. Not one of you guys have ever reached out to me. Not one of you guys have ever sat there and seen me in the hallways and said, hey, sorry about your daughter. You guys do it right here while you guys are grandstanding on top of your soapbox. This is when you guys care. Right here inside this room is the only time you guys care. I've never received anything from anybody over here at all regarding my daughter or my family or anything. Hey, Mr. Coleman, your guys' Delilah Law, I want to help you revise it so that we're interested inside of it. Nothing. You guys have no pathway to anything. You guys want to sit there and talk about the pathway to citizenship? There is a pathway. It's not jump the fence and apply. My daughter doesn't deserve this. She didn't ask for any of this. The people that jumped the fence did, though. They knew exactly what they were doing. They still chose to move forward in that direction. And every day something's happening to somebody. And it's not just me. It is your guys' fault. I hold each and every one of you responsible for it. And I always will. That's a poor man. The crash resulted in Delilah's inability to walk, talk, eat orally, or attend kindergarten as planned. She was in a coma for three weeks, says her dad, and required six months of hospital treatment before her family could bring her home. While in the hospital, she had a craniectomy and was without half of her skull for four months. She experienced a broken femur, skull fractures, and has since been diagnosed. With cerebral palsy, global developmental delay, and will need lifelong therapy. And you still have people like Senator Ed Markey in Massachusetts winning his GOP primary, or sorry, Democrat primary this week by saying we need to eliminate ICE. We need to eliminate ICE. ICE and President Trump and his administration are the only ones stopping more. We need to eliminate ICE and President Trump and his administration are the only ones stopping more. If the Democrats had their way, that border would be wide open. Wide open. Still. And Delilah's law does nothing. I mean, it should be non-controversial. It does nothing more than ensure that all commercial driver's license holders understand English, road signs, and law enforcement officers. It will place drivers who fail to meet the law's requirements and safety standards out of service, would require states to verify that they're not, issuing these licenses to illegals, would significantly increase penalties for states failing to comply with the law, and would ban shady foreign dispatch services and brokers who have fueled a surge in freight fraud and cargo theft, as well as crack down on commercial driver's license mills to ensure that drivers entering the industry are receiving adequate training. How do you oppose that? Why don't you tell it to Delilah? Ms. Jayapal? 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It's bold, no BS news, only on the Megan Kelly Channel, Sirius XM 111, and on the Sirius XM app. We have to spend a minute on what happened in the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing yesterday. We told you that the prosecution and the defense were offering their closing arguments. That's what they were calling them. It's not a closing like in a trial. It was closing to the hearing, which they had a mini trial on for some reason back over the summer, you know, because we took it live in its entirety. Well, the judge graph. Of course, found that there was probable cause to hold Tyler Robinson over for trial. That's all he said. There should be a trial on this. And he left all the counts against him intact, and he left the death penalty enhancement intact. So he remains eligible for the death penalty because he endangered a crowd of people while shooting at Charlie. He was not persuaded by the defense argument that because only Charlie actually got shot, no one else was endangered, which was an absolutely, forgive me, retarded fucking argument. By the defense. Anyway, and now Tyler Robinson will stand trial as he absolutely should. We don't yet have a trial date. But I want to spend a minute on this defense lawyer, Richard Novak, lifelong resident of California, attended UC Berkeley, where he obtained his bachelor's degree with honors, and then UCLA Law School in 1990. He received a prestigious Skadden Fellowship that allowed him to establish a cutting. Edge legal services program for homeless youth living on the streets of Los Angeles. So he sounds like a bleeding heart. And he also sounds like an idiot, like an idiot, because this is his take on a man about whom I guarantee you he knows nothing, even though he's representing Tyler Robinson. And that is our friend Charlie Kirk. Here he is yesterday on him. There is no evidence. There is no evidence of Mr. Robinson having heard or seen anything specific from Mr. Kirk, or having expressed anything about Mr. Kirk until the statement which basically says some hatred can't be negotiated out. So what is it? Is it political expression? Which political expression? It is. knew that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain groups of people. He spoke hatefully of people who don't have traditional norm-conforming gender identities. He spoke hatefully of people who are not strictly heterosexual. He spoke hatefully of people who have sexual relationships out of marriage. Okay, that's not true. But first and foremost, what are you bringing that up for? Is this what we're going to hear at the trial? You're going to demonize the decedent, the victim? Are we arguing that Tyler Robinson had a point? Is that truly what you're arguing? Because he started off by saying, okay, he said, Charlie, that some hate cannot be negotiated out. Well, we don't know what that means. We don't know what about Charlie Kirk he did or did not do. We don't know what he did or did not do. We don't know what he did or did not find hateful. Then he launches into that whole non sequitur about how hateful Charlie was, which, by the way, undermines his argument, right? He's trying to say, oh, you know, I really have no idea. But let me give you all these options and ways in which Charlie was hateful. What are you doing? Just trying to poison the judge on the victim? Or is that for the cameras and the leftist media out there because Mr. Novak wants to be a star and beloved? Well, you're wrong. You are morally wrong. To raise that in the context in which you did. And you were wrong on the facts. You were factually incorrect. And I'll just give you a couple of examples. Here's Charlie talking to someone who thought she was trans. I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis. Just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through. Listen to what else is going on. My prayer for you, and again, very few will say this. I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born. Doesn't sound so hateful to me. As for dealing with gays, you don't know what you're talking about, Mr. Novak. Do your homework. Watch this. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Trump supporter? Yes, sir. So are you a proud Trump supporter? Of course. So are you sickened that he had a gay man speak at his convention? Yes. Then you're not a Trump supporter, my friend. Thank you very much. I just want to go through the list. Guy Benson, no place in the conservative movement. Dave Rubin, no place in the conservative movement. Peter Thiel, no place in the conservative movement. So just to go down the list. If they are supporting open homosexuality. So I'm going to ask a very respectful question, as respectfully as I can. What does what they do. What they do in their private life concern you so much that you have to go up in front of a crowd? It is against God. That is why. So let me ask you a question. Are you a Christian or not? Do we live in a theocracy? Yes or no? No. You said you're a Christian. I am a Christian. And do you know what? And guess what? I will say this. Part of being a Christian is appropriately interpreting what the theological says for the individual, but also means to be long-suffering and patient and loving and kind. And I think that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Jesus Christ talked to all people. Jesus Christ went and did his ministry through Judea and Samaria. And he had dinner with tax collectors. And he had dinner with prostitutes. And he did his ministry in every part of the Mediterranean. What it means to be a Christian, my friend, is to be open-minded but firm in your beliefs. So you can have that belief. But if you say there's something inherently wrong with communicating or associating just because they make different personal decisions than you, then you, sir, are not a Christian. You are not a conservative. Thanks for being here tonight. This time last year, Charlie had eight days left to live. His voice was silenced forever, prosecutors and police say, by Tyler Robinson. And we will not allow that man's lawyer or anyone else to bastardize Charlie's views on life, love, or anything else. Tomorrow we have something different, something I have been dying to do since this happened to me this summer. I will be taking on the hit show, The Pit. I think you're going to enjoy this. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.