211: Juno Birch!

[Music] Hello! Hello, darling. How are you? Hello, Craig. My love, how are you? Very well, thank you. Lovely to see you. Lovely to see you. Last time I seen you, I was a bit drunk, wasn't I? Wait, now I'm shocked. I'm glad I'm sitting down because that is not behavior. I've ever heard of associated with the one the only Juno Birch. You don't know me very well, that do you? [Laughter] Wait, no, when Manchester. Right, that's right, exactly. No, with LA. No, I know. I know. Well, that was quite a fun time. It was very fun time. Yeah, we were at a Vita. Yes, we were. Very gorgeous show. Yeah, lovely. The Tiffy Palace. Indeed, yeah. It's quite the amalgam of people, quite a roster of folks there. Oh, yes. I love a Vita. The second time I did it, and it's chaos. I need to start recording on my voice. Okay, terrific, yes. Voice men now. And let me just find it again. There we go. New recording. And recording. That would go. Beautiful, fabulous. And I've been recording earlier, so. All that's free to use. You're okay with that. You know, the inside info about you drinking? Oh, yeah. Give a shit. People know me, I'm a piss-ass. [Laughter] What's your favorite tip-all? What's a tip-all? Tip-all would be a nice way of saying a drink of choice. Oh, I'm a vodka lion and so the girl. Have you always been? No. Oh, I go through phases. I use to like bedwine. Then I actually got to sleep here. I strict corona. Also, Guinness. I used to like Guinness. If I haven't eaten, I love a Guinness. Yes. It's basically a roast dinner and a cop. Yeah. [Laughter] What was the corona phase like? Because I feel like that's embracing a type of lifestyle. Oh, many years ago. I used to like corona. Corona and souls with lime. I just like any drink with lime, really. Yeah, if it leans itself towards being good with lime, you're all for it. Yes. I did an intolerance test recently and apparently I've learned that I'm actually tolerant to something that's in there. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's like a barley or something. Hops or something? There's something yeast. I can't remember what it's called, but I can't remember drinking some reason. [Laughter] I think I have an intolerance to alcohol, but for entirely different reasons. I don't drink. Other things, perhaps, maybe when we were a Manchester, who knows? Who can say? Yes. [Laughter] I know that's a very sober area, Manchester, as we all know. It's very unknown for any kind of jiggery pokery. So you have a tour coming up. Yes, I do. Yes. The Juno show is going to be arriving in the US, Canada and the UK. Terrific. Now that that's out of the way. We were talking with the last time you were in town, which was only like a month ago or so. When do you know when you'll be in LA for the tour? I will be in LA on the. We can deb that in later in a robot voice. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. I was going to swipe and look at my phone, but I'm recording and I don't know if it's going to stop recording. Oh, yeah. No, that's okay. What we can do is we'll have you say every month of the year and then just like one, two, three. [Laughter] Well, I'm in America, Canada, from July and August. Oh, okay. You know what? I think. I don't know what's a message from above came to me. I think it might be August 18th. Maybe. Maybe you knew all along, but you just pretended not to know. Well, I'm a little slippery like that sometimes, particularly when I have a microphone in front of me. I was a little bashful without the microphone and a beat of it. Now, forget about it. Yeah. You feel like you're doing karaoke right now. Yeah, exactly. I was going to break into song in a few minutes, but I was going to ask you what I should sing. So that's the kind of interactive thing I like. I think I like to sing. I think like what are you saying? I'm sorry, I stepped in your line. I think I'd like to hear you sing again. I will survive. Something really can't be an old like that. You know, my go-to is usually sweet trans bestide. Oh my God. So I may or may not be singing that in the talk. Really? Oh, that. Yes. Look, I was already beyond excited. Now I'm beyond beyond excited. So much further down the line. What's the, so the tour is a mixture of singing and sculpting. Yeah. On stage. I'm playing the sentence on a laptop. Yeah. Could you have it? That would be great. That would be great. That was it. That's what it was like last year, because a lot of people in America had been seen me perform before. Yeah. Before the pandemic. So they just knew me playing sins. So they were coming to the show not knowing what I was going to do. They were like, are you going to play sins? Like they had no idea what I was going to do. I was like, I'm going to totally play the sentence to a one-milatop on the stage. Yeah. And you were like, wait a second. This is not a band idea. I could do like a second, like a second show and charge twice as much just for the sins. Yeah. That would be a very easy show. I think so. Because you got heavily into the twitch and all that stuff. I've never been on Twitch, but I'm usually race to make YouTube videos. Well, I still do make YouTube videos. Yeah. And a lot of the sins videos over lockdowns have nothing else to do. Right. I do like making sins videos and I will continue to make more. I just haven't got, I'm not really a gamer gamer. I'm more. Look at you. Look at you. The Sims though, like specifically, if you're not a gamer. I play the Sims my whole life. I love the Sims when I was younger because I wanted to make films and I wanted to write films and things like that. So, it sims is like a really cool way to like play out your own story lines and stuff. But yeah, I'm the only game I really play is The Sims. And I noticed a lot of my work that was coming in was gamer based. And my passion is the stage and like things of entertaining people on stage and stuff like that. And so I was kind of like, I don't know whether I'm in the right heading in the right direction with my career here. But I will always make sins videos. I love playing Sims. Well, I love that it's also the one game that you like because I'm not a gamer. So if I hear someone's like really into a game, I just assume they're into all games, especially like role player games and everything. But you mentioned wanting to make films and what was a, what like a cut war, what are a few films that sort of really triggered your imagination when you were younger? Beatle juice was one of my favorite movies. Looking in at your camera now, you look like something from Beatle juice with the blue curtains and the black hair and the black nail polish. But it's the tribute. Beatle juice and Mars attacks. I love Mars attacks. Casting of Mars attacks is amazing. It is. And I definitely comes here. I think they're three of my top favorite movies. But nowadays I don't really, I don't even really watch those kind of movies anymore because I like to switch off when I watch movies. And if I watch something like Beatle juice or Mars attack, my brain starts ticking and I start thinking about drag and I start thinking about creative things. So nowadays I just either watch real housewives of Beverly Hills or I watch horror movies, really, really scary horror films because I like to be, if I'm not jumping out my chair, screaming, then I'm bored. If it doesn't haunt you later on for days afterwards, it's just not on. Yeah. I'm a huge fan of the horror genre as well. I wonder if you've seen phenomena or I need to know. I'll have to send it to you. I'm a huge Argento fan and they're just like the bloodiest, glorious, most, because he has a, he bases on his nightmares, basically. A really? Yeah. And they're good in their Italian. So like all bets are off. All the Italian stuff is way more extreme than anything here. Any favorites recently in the horror genre? Oh, one of my favorites, oh, this is my new favorite horror movie, Barbarian. Ooh, I don't know this one. Oh my God. It's just, I thought, because I thought I knew what I was watching when I put it on. Yeah. And I thought I knew I was watching, but it's a completely not what I thought it was. It's, it's, it's got comedy elements in it, but it's definitely not comedy horror. And it's the, it's the guys in it that plays Mama, you know, the really tall, skinny guy with the twisty arms. Okay. He plays a lot of like, foolish things in horror movies. He plays like this really scary woman that's been underground for years. Oh, that's kind of different. That sounds good. The thing that scares me most in horror movies is like someone who's like really big, but really skinny and naked with like a bald head. And they're really fast. That's like the thing that terrifies me. Yes. I got, I gots the scare me, but jumpy like things. I'm just, I'm very jumpy. Yeah, there was that one where the kids find it like an eight millimeter projector upstairs in the attic. That movie for so I can't remember the name of it, but that one is like - Maxine and Steph. - Yes, that's it, thank you very much. And I forget the name of it all the time. That bothered me for days. - That was a really airy movie. - It really was. I think it's because the kids end up involved in the murder of the parents. And I was like, I couldn't deal with that. But yeah, I'll have to send you some horror films. I'm glad to hear that you're in there. It's funny though, how there's an area that you're focused on and it really inspires you. And then you have to sort of skip it because otherwise your mind just goes right into work mode. - Yeah, it's the same. But when I used to want to do short films at uni, I kind of completely went off watching films because I can't switch off when I'm watching them. And so I like to watch things that are kind of completely not to do with, do you know? - Yeah. - Like I love drag race. And I love watching drag race. I will always love drag race. But sometimes at night time before I go bed and I wanna watch something I can't watch drag race 'cause I start thinking about work and I start thinking about shows coming up or, you know, video. - I'd be like, I hate that one. (laughing) - And you got to drag a little later than people might have expected right? Because it wasn't the first art form that you were going to. - Yeah, well, yeah. I did a lot of sculptures and illustrations before I did drag. But when I say that people think I'm gonna be really like art, you know, I'm an artist. And I think I'm really not. I'm like a working class bastard and I'm very humorous with what I do. So, yeah, I started doing sculptures and drawings and then it kind of, I wanted to be on stage and the look kind of fell into place. - Yeah, was that sort of not, yeah, I guess derived from the work that you were doing previously? Did you use a lot of blue? - Yeah, well, even before I was doing sculptures and illustrations online and stuff, I was going to like house parties and stuff painted blue just 'cause I honestly can't even explain it. I just thought I looked really gorgeous blue. - Yeah, well you do. - Like you just snazzle a row. - Yeah. - I like that. (laughing) - I was, I just-- - And songs make up, by the way, I just would like to say. - The what make up? - I know, songs make up you do as well. - Fun make up. - Yeah, it's just without make up. - Oh, all right, yes, I know. Very, very fresh face today. I have got a smooth and filter on. - Oh, okay. (laughing) - But yeah. - I'm actually being played by a sim, that's how it works, right? Like I saw I'm operating this from over the other side of the room. - Yes. - But the last time we were hanging out, we had a really interesting talk about the differences in UK and US healthcare. And particularly how it impacted you on your journey for transitioning. And I'd love to get into that. Starting with what age you realized that you were trans. - Well, the thing is, there was never really the words to describe it when I was younger. And because it wasn't really, people didn't even really use the word transgender. Very openly, it was kind of only things that you would see in entertainment when they'd say sex change. - Right. - So I didn't really know how to explain it, but the only way that from very, very young age, I just said that I'm a girl. And but I think when I hit puberty, that's when I couldn't cope anymore with what was happening to my body. Because every trans-jun person's difference, I'm not, not every trans woman will say the same thing, but for me, I couldn't function. - Did that present in like heavy depression, not being able to just do the day things? - Oh yeah, like for me, it was either transition or just die. (laughing) But like, 'cause I was just, there was just no way that I was gonna live in that body. - Yeah. - Because when I was going through puberty, there was things happening to my body that I didn't really was so uncomfortable with. So yeah, it was a very early age that I transitioned, but not medically. Medically, I think I was about 16, 17 when I had hormones. But because I was so young, I was on a hormone blocker first, which was slowed down the testosterone levels to reduce the pain that I was suffering with, with the dysphoria. - Yeah. - Yeah, but it's crazy. Nowadays you hear all this people saying that kids and medically transitioning, kids can't medically transition. They never have. It's not legal and it never has been. They're not just like spoon feeding five-year-olds, fucking estrogen on a spoon, are they? Like, it's just so ridiculous. Yeah, right now, yeah, it's a crazy time for using trans people as the confusing target for a bunch of people who just sort of have this amorphous anger about the world. And then it's like, yeah, it's them. It's those folks over there. And really, in the percentage of trans people compared to, I don't know exactly what other group you'd want to compare to. It's rather small, really. And they're trying to put, yeah. - They're trying, the population of transgender people is tiring me on the earth. And it's fascinating how people are so obsessed with it. But I think it's because, I personally think it's because, we're more years and years ago, I can say about transgender women, is it was more of a taboo. It was more of like, I used to be a man. And then it was kind of, okay, joke over. Forget about it, kind of thing. Whereas now, rightfully so, we're proud of being transgender and we love being transgender. And it's nothing to be ashamed of. And I think that's why the transphobia is really high right now because they can't stand to see us. - Right. - A non-same to being transgender. - Right, yeah, it was okay when people were like, okay, you just get, be miserable over there and embarrassed of yourself. And we're happy about that because that makes you feel better about sort of being the majority, et cetera. - Yeah. (laughing) They're very healthy people. That's what we're basically what we're getting at. Is they're very sane people. But we were talking about the, I guess the route one would take and how it's different in the UK and the US. And I was talking a while ago to Lana Pelle, aka Lena P, about what it was like in the early 80s and the difficulty with the GP, sort of having a personal bias against what was available anyway, but switching GP. So what was the medical aspect of that like and what did you come up against in that process? - Well, I was very lucky because my family was supportive of me. So I think the very, very first time that we ever told a medical professional was when me and I asked my mom if she would come with me to the doctors, to the GP to talk about it because I knew that there was help out there. And she came with me and we told the doctor and the doctor was like, I don't know, like I am, this is out my, he wasn't like transphobic, he was just honest and completely like, I don't know about this. I'm gonna refer you to a child's mental health clinic to discuss it with them, see if they can help you talk through issues and that kind of thing. Because in the UK, when you go through the NHS, there's this whole years, years and years and years and years before you can actually get any medical help. And whereas I think in a lot of places, maybe like America, I don't know what it's like. - One of the things I wanted to talk about this with you is because there's so many fascinating differences. Like the NHS is amazing for that it's free. It's part of the system. It's part of what you get as a citizen in peace, taxes, et cetera. But there's I think some kind of gulf in the mental health realm between America and the UK. And it's not that they're not compassionate, but again, like you said, the GP was like, I don't know, I'm sure a lot of GP's, or as they call them here, PCPs, primary care physicians would maybe have the same reaction. But the waiting lists, right over there, and I'm curious if the, you know, or maybe have a theory about whether or not certain issues are a longer way. Like, you know, if someone is, I don't know, either seeking bipolar treatment or if someone's seeking, I don't know, the suicide all ideation, obviously, that would get put up to the top. But is it, do you think that there was any delay because of the type of issue that you were seeking? - I probably, I mean, I think a lot of the waiting lists probably have a lot to do with the fact that the transgender percentage is so small and that there aren't enough qualified doctors to treat transgender patients mentally or medically. I think maybe. I don't know, like, and for me, it was so crazy because I even got referred for surgery years [BLANK_AUDIO] for it happened because there was a whole complication with my doctor, my surgeon leaving the NHS in the middle of my waiting list. So I got postponed even more years, like things like that. And I feel like if I was to transition again, like if I went back in time, I would have preferred to, like work my ass off and pay for it probably. - Right. I don't know. I don't know. It's, I don't know what it's like in America. I mean, I've heard in California, there's a lot of clinics specified to transgender people, which obviously pay for that in America. - Yeah. - Healthcare. So I don't know. - That's definitely the downside here is that a lot of stuff is very expensive. For instance, Ada and I had a child in England. And the care we got in the aftercare with therapy, family therapy, et cetera. The price of it over here just been shocking, debilitating, really. So I get this pluses and minuses, but yeah, the mental health stuff is interesting because a lot of people are on waiting lists for even getting diagnosed for ADHD or what have you. And it's a long process. Like even if you get into the front door, you got to wait a long time. - But yeah, like I swapped to God, I think I'm, I think I must have ADHD or autism or something. But I just never got the patients to wait years to. - Really with ADHD. - To anybody about it. - With ADHD, you didn't have the patient. That's surprising. I have ADHD and Ada is on the autism spectrum. So it's, and we complement each other in various ways of thinking and everything. Like something will be very challenging for me, but be incredibly easy for her in vice versa. So that's, I find it really helpful. Well, since the next time you're in the United States, as they're calling them lately, you could probably arrange a screening for that. 'Cause I've found that knowing and also being on medication is very helpful. - When you do that though, does it happen instantly or do you have to wait a while to see anyone? - Well, you know, the instant thing can actually happen in the UK as well, but you gotta go private. I was diagnosed officially, or finally officially bipolar last year, but we managed to get a psychiatrist appointment within like a day and a half of me. But then I, yeah, it's because I called like a Harley Street clinic that I had seen after I'd gotten sick in 2020. And I didn't know what was going on. So I was like, I just went right to the clinic. 'Cause I didn't think I could get help at the NHS 'cause I'm a citizen. And they referred me right away. And you really have to pay a lot, but you leave at the end of the day and you have a guy diagnosis. - I mean, as long as you have a good psychiatrist. And I could give you the name of someone too, if you'd like. Someone I found for. - We're sharing therapy, it's therapists' information right now. Yes, that's right. - Yes, that's right. Yes, so we'll do that on board. (laughing) - What is that all about? - Well, I was good to say that. I think I'm doing it soon because I'm going on tour, I kind of need to make sure I'm really healthy and fit because last year, I nearly quality died. By the time we got to wash it, by the time we got to Seattle and Portland, I was nearly dead. (laughing) And this year, we need to make sure that I am healthy before we go on tour. So we've, feels healthy, we need to sort out booking and appointment privately to do like a health checkup thing. You know, the instant one. - That's good, yeah. And when you're really busy and you're creating a lot of stuff and you're touring around a lot, it can be easy to neglect that. So have you, do you find that you don't like look at sort of like, for instance, cholesterol, I just got a shocking reading recently. But how are you with health and general? - Oh, I'm terrible. Oh, gosh, cholesterol is through the roof. Chain smoking, asthmatic. I'm gonna be dead by the time I'm touring, honestly. - Well, it's working as a medic. I mean, I get to applaud you for that because that is dedication. Well, I smoked or most of my life, but I found out that I had asthma probably like four, five years ago. - Okay. How did you start finding it out? Was it that you were feeling allergic reactions and quotes to things? 'Cause my brother's asthmatic and I've seen it my whole life. But when you discover it later on, it's kind of confusing. - And well, I just, I think I think what happened was I went to doctors because I was going to breathe very well. This is years and years ago. And she was like, well, we're gonna book you in front of some of the tests. - Yeah. - So she did like a thing where I blow into a pipe and she was like, blow as hard as you can and then I blow into the pipe. - Remember like, well, we've heard that before. Anyway, sure, go ahead. (laughing) - I did not know that was coming. (laughing) And knew that was coming. But shout out to her. I was like, blow into the hearts of the clothes and she's like, no, you're supposed to like give you biggest breath. And I was like, that was. And then she did it like multiple times. - Yeah. - And then you take the inhaler and then you do it again. She was like, you have very, very severe asthma and she gave me like steroids and inhalers and things. And so that's when my journey to nose smoking started and didn't actually go anywhere. (laughing) - It's gonna say, it sounded like a short journey and then you turned the car around and went back to the different town. - Yeah, well, I really do need to quit smoking. But I've tried chewing gum, I've tried blottings, I tried patches, I've tried, oh my God, I've tried everything. But the one I haven't tried, which people have recommended to just hypnosis. - Oh, okay, yeah. - So I'm tempted to do it. I might try and do it. I don't know where I'm going to go or whatever. I think Phil found something on the internet but I want to go and get hypnotized to stop smoking. - Yeah, it'd be interesting to see because some people are not susceptible or I think that's the word or there's a nicer word than susceptible to, we have a note by the way. - Yeah, Jasmine says, it doesn't work being that dumb now. (laughing) - I wonder, Jasmine, please send us a note. Are you still a smoker or have you done what I've done? Which is go to the vape, which rarely leaves my hand, but still, we'll find out from Jasmine. - You still are not a smoker. Yes, Jasmine. - I knew you understood that. (laughing) But say vaping though, I tried going to vaping years ago and honestly it made me so much worse. - Really? - Because I was breathing in water. So I was getting all these water and chemicals in my lungs and I was like waking up every morning, like coughing like water up. So vapes were worse, I think for me. - Yeah, for me, it's all a lot of problems and I could start smelling things. Weirdly the first thing I remember smelling very clearly was onions and the fridge. And I was like, wow, that's great. I'd like to smell something good now to change that. But I did after that. And then which reminds me of in COVID times when I would be driving in the bag of coffee or constantly and sticking my face in it to smell it. But did you get the COVID during the time that no one wants to talk about anymore? - Yes, I did. I did. I can't remember when it was, but I had twice. And both times, what over Christmas day. - Oh no. - Both times. - Which apparently might be all summer the first day. But also kind of a good time to get COVID because I'm not working on Christmas day. Everybody's not booked and whatnot. So it kind of was competing. - So you were born on Christmas day? - Yes, I am Jesus Christ. - That's what we were getting to. We didn't want to get to it right at the top of the show. Save it for a little later. - Do you like Christmas or do you big Christmas like a. - I absolutely hate Christmas. (laughing) No, I do. I know I have people say I'm such a miserable couldn't for saying that, but I'm allowed to hate Christmas because it's my birthday. The one thing I want to do on my birthday is go out and get absolutely bladded in the clubs. I want to go part in, I want to see all my friends. I want to go to a drag show. I can't do any of that because everything is closed on Christmas. It's sad. - Especially in the UK. I mean, I was really shocked. It was like, no, no, get everything you need because there's nothing about. Some things open maybe to 2 p.m. But even that's rare. - It's ghost town. - Yeah, although I kind of like that 'cause a lot of like there's shops, like big stores open in the US and I'm like, do you really need to put these people through this on this day? Just give them a little bit of a break. But you mentioned Phil and Phil is so lovely and also, similarly, from what you said too, you pointed out that Phil helps out in looking after you in so many ways, not just obviously being your partner but in business stuff. - Oh, absolutely. I mean, I either have the mental capacity of a 95 year old or a five year old, but so traveling and we travel a lot for work. So having him there is kind of like, it just, I don't have to think about which way I entered the shop and which way I come out. Like I was in an airport on my own. I would literally get on the wrong plane. Like I am so clumsy. - Well, you know, you see it clumsy, but also, so say you get, you find out that you're ADHD. There's a lot of things like clumsy, lazy that people say because they don't know that they have ADHD and because of social conditioning when we, you know, we're not meeting the sort of standard of other people's expectations. A lot of that stuff gets layered onto you. And I think we were talking about this when you were here about the compatibility with you and Phil. Like the ways your mind's work. You know, what's the word? Not complete because that's, I didn't want to say that, but they mesh well. They work well together. Yeah, Phil, Phil's got all of the stuff as well. That's right. That's what we, that's what we were talking about that. Yeah. Well, I think that you two are a mirror of me and Ada because I, I would say you probably are ADHD. Also a associated thinking, which is a big part of ADHD. I imagine plays a big part in your work and also watching your, basically improv bits on Instagram or YouTube and everything. Like that's a, that's a large feature of it. Yeah. Well, I, I, I, I said it, I said it as a joke now and again. And, and people are like, there's no reaction because they thought that I was already like new that I had it or something. So, because, because I'm like, like when I, when I, those YouTube videos, where everything's going, when I'm talking on the videos and I'm editing the videos back, I can see myself in mid-sentence going to something completely different. And it's a nightmare to add it because it's like this video does not make sense. But that's the thing. It's like I, I started to embrace that more now because I always felt I had to try and make sense of things when I'm talking, but I've realised people actually enjoy watching me be sporadic and not make sense of what I'm saying. So, the dude, it's going to be a lot of that. Well, that, yeah. It's not going to make any sense what you're going to love a good time. Yeah, it'll be like a David Lynch film like last highway I was telling some of the other day. I love that movie. I can't tell you what it's about whatsoever, but it's great. Yeah. Yeah. I finally think out recently about myself. I am actually, I have synesthesia. Which is, I was talking about it online on like a video about how every letter or every name, a number has a colour in my head. And it's a very specific thing that I had. And I was talking about doing the Trixi Juno palette and how those words I associate that colour with. So that's why I was talking about it. And people were like, that's called synesthesia. So I did this in deep, in depth analysis test or whatever, where they basically actually what colour is this number, what colour is this letter? And you say the answer and it is hundreds and hundreds of questions. And they they try and trick you and ask you the exact same ones to see if you answer them differently, whether the letter has changed colour or anything. And I'm not even kidding you. I had 100% result every single letter had the exact same colour and the exact same matching thing to them. It's fascinating. I didn't even know this thing existed but I thought everybody just thought like that. Oh yeah, no, I know what you mean. Certain words have not a flavour but there's a certain thing I associate with certain words. Like there's a texture or something. But I don't have the thing with colours but I remember you talking about that and you also have that with people. You see what some would call an aura. Yes, well everybody has a colour. You're a very pale yellow. I like that. And I'm a green. Fillers are very dark, browny, browny black colour. It's usually people's colours are usually to do with the name. And the first few letters of the name. It's so weird. Now what about music? Do you see colours when you hear music? No. This is more information I've known about synesthesia than previous. And I'd only really heard about it with certain composers where they associate colours with music. But that doesn't happen for you. No, unless it's like a name of a song. I think it's a word then it will have a colour. In terms of hearing sounds, I don't really associate that with colour, I don't think. What's some of your favourite music lately and then we'll get back to the origin story? Oh, well I've been listening to a lot of the stuff from the stuff building up to the tour. A lady Gaga, a Americana is obsessed with that song at the moment. That's giving me very lost vibes. That song is going to be very lost to me. Also I love listening to Bossa Nova and a lot of elevator music. I'm so into elevator music and what they used to call library music. Which is sort of like almost, there was a great fake Durandoran I found the other day. There's a whole cache of it on YouTube. I'll have to send you because it's like music. Yeah. I listen to a lot of opera music but I can never remember any names of opera songs because they're always so long but I usually will just have a playlist that plays on of opera stuff. Yeah. What do you listen to when you first get up to you listen to podcasts or what are you thinking about when you wake up? I don't really listen to it. When I first wake up, I cough in a cigarette and that's me and I'm not chillin' them because it's not me. I remember you, sorry to interrupt but I remember you had to save that one cigarette at the end of the night because without it. I think I'm separated on the plane. I can't be having that. No, no, no, no, no, certainly not. Yeah, when I'm on a night out and someone asks me for a cigarette and I've got two left and I'm like, no, you can fuck up. That night, the morning cigarettes. Do you stick to one brand all the time or is it difficult with traveling? In the UK, yes, I always make sailing jibbles because they're the closest thing to mental what's left. Oh wow, I didn't know that. Has there been a restriction on flavors there? Oh, it's banned. It's completely banned. Oh wow. I think it's in America now as well because I remember when I was like, can't let's get to America and buy some mental cigarettes when to the shop that's like the gum. Wow, because I knew that they banned all the other flavors and they made it, they can take off the words light or medium and then they so they would have different like bold or different names like that. I can't believe where this far into the future and no one's invented a healthy cigarette. I know and I think they tried to. There's I think it's in the bookbarbarians at the gate. There was a whole thing where they tried to do like a smoke, almost smokeless cigarette or light smoke cigarette and they did. They tried, I think they tried, but probably halfheartedly because Big Tobacco was thriving in the mid 80s. Yeah. It's okay. I mean, they were created, they which just goes to be healthy, but I think they're just just bad to be honest. Well, they could be. I'll find out in a few years when I just keel over. But back to origin story, the your family sounds lovely and they were supportive from the word go with your transition. Yeah. Well, I came, well, I think I was, I came out as gay for a very short time. I think I was probably gay for about two months until I that was like a way of slowly telling people that I was transgender. Sure. You weren't even in college yet. So that's impressive. Yeah. That's usually when people are gay for too much. But like I, so I didn't think my parents were shocked at all. They were like, "Worry about me," because of how, what I was wanting to do with my body. And obviously it took some adjusting to change pronouns and that kind of thing. But it really wasn't, I mean, it was, it was what the most stressful part of it all was the process of seeing doctors and therapists and everything like that. That was the thing that really affected my mom because it was so much, it was so draining to constantly go to those appointments. And I almost have to prove that I was trans to be able to get any medical out. What's that process? And at least in the UK, like to say a quote unquote, I mean, prove. Is it the psychological interviews, etc? Yeah. So it's kind of like, and so I went to a child's therapist because I was only like 14. So if you're under 18, you go to like a child's therapist who's like a gender psychologist who kind of will evaluate the situation. They don't give go-aheads on any medical things. It's literally just there for you to stay alive and have somebody to talk to. And they kind of assess you in a way that's kind of like, do you fit all the requirements of gender dysphoria and then they will diagnose you with gender dysphoria if you have it or not. And yeah, I think that's, that was the process years ago. In my cheek, I mean, I went to the Tabestock clinic when I was younger, which they literally saved my life. And it's so sad now because they've had to shut down because of the media was saying that they were experimenting on kids and JK Rowling was shouting her head off about how they're giving children this medication and everything. So because of JK Rowling, that hospital is now shut down, which is very sad. And when you were talking before about depression and everything, how was your day to day affected by everyone's depression as a different flavor? What was your day to day like during that period or maybe even before? I was just very, very emotional. But my personality changed drastically when I transitioned because when I was in school, when I made that change, it kind of happened gradually over time. It wasn't like, "Oh, they want a big girl." Like it wasn't like that. It just kind of gradually kind of slowly happened and people could see it happening. But I went from a very, very quiet boy who just kept himself, wasn't very outspoken to literally like the loudest bitch ever. But people could see that I was happy. So it was a drastic change in personality. What's your folks background? Where did they grow up? Chesha. I think most of my parents are from Chesha. My dad's been a head chef for many, many years. My mom's usually teacher ones and for a short time they choose a stay-home mom for many years. Very working class backgrounds. Yeah. Did you grow up a Manchester, am I writing that? No, I grew up in Runcorn and Frontrim. Oh, what's the, wait, Runcorn and Frontrim, is there? Runcorn, like Ron and Corn. Okay, Runcorn. Yeah. But they were like very, very like out, not in the middle of nowhere, but kind of rough areas to grow up as a family. So like remote and rough. Yeah. Yeah. And then when did you move to Manchester? You live in Manchester, right? Yeah, I live in Manchester. I live in Manchester. I was like, am I right about to do that? Yeah. I lived in London for two years. Yeah. I was like, hey, too expensive. No. And then I moved to Manchester with Phil, probably about seven years ago. How many months has it been? How many years have you been together? Eight years. Where did you meet? In Fudgeham in my hometown. So he's from Glasgow. We're not from Glasgow. He's from. What's the called? Little tiny town in North Scotland. Tiny town, Scotland. I've heard of that. Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah. That's a famous, famous place. Wonderful cheese. And. Alonac. Something manate. Something manate. I can't remember. But. Jasmine, can you help us with this please? You. Yeah. Right? Oh, she's working on it. This is great. Jasmine. God send. Thank you. But. Yeah, he moved. He moved to Fudgeham. Oh, like. I think he did union leans. And then he was living in Fudgeham and I was living in Fudgeham. And then we just kind of met. Going out to the pub. Mm-hmm. And what was your dating life before that? That would be weird. I mean, the thing is, I was a lot more. I had my moments when I was younger. You know, I did my little saucy era. Yeah. And then I was weird dating as a trans woman because a lot of the men that would want to date me would be straight men. So it was. It was hard because it was complicated. But, you know, I'm happy now that I'm kind of settled with my man. Yeah. And it's complicated. Is there like an element of sort of fetishization of the fact that you were trans? Oh, yeah, absolutely. But the thing is I think mine that kind of. If it wasn't meant to be like serious or anything, it wasn't really that daddy of mine. That's not serious. You're just like, "Hey, great. You want whatever. But let's have fun." But the thing is, the thing is though, a lot of that time because for me, not all trans women are the same as this. But for me, I couldn't use the front part of my body. That was just not in use. I didn't want to use it because I wasn't comfortable with it. So it was a lot of sexual experiences where I couldn't. I didn't want to use that part of my body. So, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then. We're giving him debts here, aren't we? Goodness gracious. Yeah. That's what I like. That's what. Yeah, exactly. It's a more light frivolous topic since we've been discussing this entire time. When did you get comfortable with using the front of you? And now, I hope this is. I never did. And I never. Really? So many, many years. No, I never did. And then I had surgery when I was 22. Okay. So then after that. And I hope this isn't improper to ask because I don't know. But then after that, was there still a period of uncomfortability with that because of the accrued? No, okay. So it was after that. No, not at all. Oh, okay. I was like, "What do you do?" I'm free! Yeah. No, it was. I was just. Yeah. Like the way that my body had just. It's not so fast. It was. In crazy how that. Well, because you became. You even were able to do that, like. Yeah. Well, you were you then. And so when you're you. You're able to do. Yeah. The things, the stuff. The stuff and the things. But I think the misconception at the moment is that. Is that that's what all transgender people aspire to be or. That that's their goal. And it's not true. I know so many transgender women who are comfortable not having the surgery and. Not having hormones even. Sure. Because it's not about. It's just about how you feel inside and where you're comfortable. Right. It's different for everyone. But in your case, it happened to be. That process. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When you went to uni then. Is that when you started getting into film? Because you said you made short films then. Yes. So I. Well, I think college as well. So I went from school to college. Oh, wait. How does that work again? Because I'm American and I always forget. Oh, yeah. I can't. So in high school, you leave high school at 16. And then you're free to do what I've been wanting. And get a job or go to college. But before you go to university, you have to go to college. I see. Which is usually around two to three years. So I went. I went to my first college. I went to in Warrington. Oh, my God, it was awful. And the chat. What's Warrington like besides awful? What's the gender of art? Oh, it's horrendous. But it was. It was horrendous because it was so transphobic. I even had the tools to come up to me once and said, "She took me aside and we were doing drama class." And she said, "Just once let you know that when you're working in pairs, can you make sure that you only work with people from your high school that know that you're transgender?" And I was like, "Why?" And they were like because some of the students might feel uncomfortable touching you or being intimate with you in monologue setting or acting at Romeo and Juliet or whatever. I was like, "Forking, how?" And then the next minute they were like, "You can't go in the girls toilets. You have to use the disabled toilets." And I was just like, "I am leaving." So I went to Manchester College and I didn't tell anyone that I was transgender. I just went to college, not telling anyone. So nobody knew. I mean, people probably suspected that I was trans because of my body and everything. But yeah, and it's not nice being transgender and not being able to be open about it and tell people. So it wasn't great, but eventually I'm just proud of being trans and what nots. Well, it seems to make sense though, when you did go to the other school, just after dealing with that kind of constant hassle and oppression, particularly in theater, because when you described what the pairing would be, I don't think I heard the theater part. And I was like, "Oh, yeah, theater kids. Theater kids are very, very like, not understanding of anything." Theater kids, usually people say theater kids is a euphemism for gay kids. [laughter] So what brought you to warrington? Like, what's the path? I think I went to college though because everyone else was going to college there in high school. And I was literally there. I think I was there three weeks. Three weeks. That sounds about right for what you described. Yeah. [laughter] What about friendships and all that during that time? Or, prior. I find it really hard. I make friends really easy but I find it hard to maintain friendships with people because I'm very. I go through phases of piding and I've always been like that. I kind of like go, "We'll just not want to do anything for so long." I want to do nothing with nobody for. I mean, I love having friends. I worry about the pressures of having friends, you know? I don't know. What are some of the pressures? Because I understand what you mean because sometimes you can go, "Well, if I do this, then they're going to want to do that and then I don't want to do that. I want to have some pretty time." Like call, call, "You're all time, face time." I'm not fucking picking that up in the movie dramas. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just weird. Well, I think everyone has just like I said before, everyone's different. Everyone's different with that. They talk about attachment styles. They being. I guess everyone else. But people talk about attachment styles a lot now and anxious and insecure and then other things. I think some people are more anxious about their friendships and almost need to feel like they're constantly connected. Currently, it seems like you have a more secure attachment with all of that. But also, I was wondering what friendships were like in high school. So, I was never in one of the groups. After I transitioned, I was so loud and naughty in school. And I was kind of like. I kind of like went from group to group. I was a kind of friend of everybody in high school. Even like what was weird is that the boys, football boys, the ones that would bully me years ago, when I was very feminine. We got to point where I was so confident and so bitchy that the point where they didn't dare say anything. And they were kind of like friends that I knew. So, it was kind of like, wait, I don't know. What's almost like that thing with not exactly the same. But it's like if someone's bullying you and pushing you like your children stuff and then you punch them square in the face. Suddenly, there's this respect. Like suddenly, they're like, "Oh, yeah, you're great." Well, when I was in prime school, what do you call it in America? I think primary school, they do that here as well. But I think the age range is different. It's like elementary primary. I don't know. Yeah, I'm probably getting this wrong. Jasmine will scold me later. But yeah, pre-school elementary, that's it, elementary school and then middle school and then high school. Yeah. So I think probably like primary school, which is like the age of like seven-ish, maybe eight-ish. There was this girl that used to bully me all the time. She used to punch me in the arm and she used to go, "I can hit you because I'm a girl and you can't hit me back to your boy." And she used to do it all the time and it really fucking hurt. So one day, I had this Thomas the Tan Kenjin plastic lunch box and I tell you not, I swung that smacked in the face. I don't think of having done it in town by islands, but she had it coming. Listen, I don't know if you sell the movie tar, but there's a moment where one of the people on it deals with a bully. And I'm like, "Oh, thank you. I did. Thank you very much, Jasmine. Jasmine's descended a note of support and approval and I appreciate that Jasmine and want to let you know." So anyway, there's someone, an adult deals with a child bully in a certain way that I was like, "That's good. Other people have different opinions." But look, someone's hitting me in the arm all the time. They deserve a lunch box to the face. And so I feel kids. Yeah. But you mentioned a couple Tim Burton films earlier. So I imagine that you're a fan of the entire works or the collected works of Tim Burton. Oh, absolutely. But especially his early stuff, like Edward's as a hand, Spital Juice, Miles Attacks, the Clay Nation movies, my midfielder Christmas Cops, Brad, Frank and Weenie. Yeah. Loved all those when I was younger. But his older stuff is definitely what I prefer. But I think his last film that he did that I really, really loved was Dark Shadows. Oh, I want to see that. And that's based on the old show that used to run like five years away. Yeah, in the 70s. And it's set in the 70s. And I just loved the Colleen Actwood, does like the costumes for a lot of Tim Burton movies. And her work is just, oh my god, it's so good. She makes every outfit look like it's a cartoon character's outfit, but in live action. And that's what I kind of like my drag to look like. It's like I'm like a cartoon character, but it's live action. And what was the process of starting to actually do drag? You said you mentioned the blue look and everything going to house parties and raves. I'm imagining I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth or cast aspersions. But when was the switch over? To drag. Yeah, from just going out and having a good time and all that in. I think there was this night called Creatures of Ctharsis. And it was like a very queer cabaret night where lots of trans people and queer people would perform. I'm just really wanting to perform at it. So I just asked and they said yes. And I put together a track which was like, I played this little lady on Lady with a lipstick that I drew all over my face, kind of like a mandalapal in the, you know, it kind of like that. And it was, I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I realized, because I used to do drama a lot when I was younger in high school. And a lot of the theatre stuff. And then I stopped doing that so I wanted to film. But then going back and stage during drag on stage, it brought back that happiness, a passion that I just missed so much. And also I'm a massive attention seeker. So, um, that's perfect. Yeah. But and also with film, it's a very solitary process really. I mean, even if you're working with a bunch of people. It's stressful. Yeah. It's such a stressful job. And also, I was, when I was in uni, everybody was getting like jobs in the film industry. So people were getting these amazing jobs like on, um, jungle board, and all this kind of stuff. And I was like, oh my god, that's, that's amazing. But it was literally like getting coffee for the director and stuff like that. And I just, I didn't want to work my way up like that. I just kind of, I feel like nowadays, a lot of film directors don't, that's not usually how they become film directors nowadays. I mean, it used to happen like that in the 80s and 90s, I think. But nowadays it's more, everything's just, just online. So to me, yeah. Not necessarily a free for all, but, you know, talent will rise if the platform is available. So you got YouTube, you have mainly YouTube, but then TikTok as well, because there's some TikTokers who are basically making short films in the construction and delivery of them or presentation of them. And I think that there is much more of a truly a democratization of that aspect. Yeah. I know what you mean. There's this whole system, yeah, PA and then assistant and then all that stuff. And I think people really had, well, back in the days, when it was just film, I think that was the only thing they could do. And unless they like happened into someone like Roger Corman, with it, you know, they'd be like, you seem pretty smart. You want to read a script? Okay, yeah, that one worked. You want to direct a film? So yeah. There was a lot of like, I feel like the film industry, there's a lot of just like, sucking up for the sake of your own benefit. And I was just like, I'm not bravling to anybody. I'm a queen. So I was like, I would have been on stage. So yeah, I love my job. Yeah. Well, clearly, and we love your job and how you do it. Um, thank you. You must have developed a pretty keen sense of radar for that kind of thing. Someone trying to get something off of you or something like that as you were performing. And you mean in like, in my drag? You mean like in, I'm sorry. I should, let me clarify. As your career has grown and grown, you can sense like when people are like, for some reason, feel like if they're like hanging around that some of the glory will rub off from perhaps because we were talking about that in the film business. So I'm wondering if you've experienced that. Oh, you mean like, driving coattails? Yes. Like I ride put tricksies coattails. It's got a big coat. It's a very big coat. But um, no, the thing is, the thing is in the drag industry, everybody's, everybody's performing all the time. Yeah. So and I don't mind that, you know, I remember when I was, I said, I wanted to move to LA and I was like, oh my god, everyone in LA is so fake and like, people aren't themselves and people are just about the brand and all this stuff. And I'm like, well, I've got to like that. That's kind of fun. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't mean it's not fun. And it's a good time. Like I literally joke her. Well, you know, LA gets the tag a lot. And I think from people who either never lived here or maybe came with a not a defined sense of what they wanted to do. And therefore couldn't latch into any. anything. Because really it is, yes, is it an industry town? Yeah. But that's good in a way. It's really good because there's a high concentration of things going on. Like if you want to be in film, this is the place to be. You can't, you know, you can't say, "Oh, I'm going to move to Chicago and make a big difference." Unless you're already creating something, you know, unless you already have, like, like, Jack White can live in Michigan because he's a huge rock star. He can do whatever he wants. Yeah, and like in the UK, you'd have to be in a major city or at least close to one in order to do your business. I feel like that for so many years, but I feel like I realized recently, it doesn't matter where I live. Yeah. Because I'm always going to be working somewhere that I don't live. And you kind of live on YouTube? Yeah. Well, I like, if I'm not working on tours, I'm doing YouTube videos, but like, it's like where I'm doing gigs. Like I've been booked so much recently, but like, no, no Manchester, like in bloody Chicago and or LA or, you know, it's all over the place, so it's a map to where I live. Yeah. Right. You just want to be happy. Then have a nice home and all those things. Yes, exactly. I was going to ask if that was a public information. Have you decided on a place yet in Palm Springs? No, because well, we're trying to get off like the moment that we live in in Manchester. Okay. Yeah. Because I kind of I feel like renting a lot is you're just pissing running up the wall. Yeah. Yeah. So we're trying to do that in the moment, but the goal, the dream is to have a little bungalow in Palm Springs. Well, and that's good too then because you can Airbnb it when you're not there. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. But every time I tell an American that I want to move from Springs, they're like, what? Really? Why? Why are you going to do there? I'm like, I don't think you understand. I am an old lady. And I like, I like peace unless I'm working away. So I kind of like would love to have my own like lawn, the picket fence, and sunbathing and pools and and absolutely roasting in the heat. Yes. Plastic flamingos melting on the lawn. Yeah, the first time I went there, I was just walking the short distance from the living room or whatever to the pool. And I was like, oh my god, you have to you do have to wear some kind of footwear to get to the pool. Yeah. But you like that? You like burning your feet? I know you're into a lot of strange things. I like, I don't know right the heat. I'm quite good with heat. Yeah. And I've been in drag in the most hot conditions in the world. And you know, it is uncomfortable, but I am okay. Like, I've wanted San Francisco during a heat wave. And it was like, it was, it was the most heat I have ever experienced in my life. And there was no AC. It's a swapi heat out there too. Yeah. But it pumps things that really, really, really hot. It is, but it's dry. It really is dry. So it's all right. Yeah. Good supermarkets. But yeah, it's a little oasis. You can go there. And then you're not that far from LA. So really, what's the big deal? Yeah, I think I would love to live in LA or pumps brings something. Yeah. What if you were to move to LA proper, where would you go? I don't know. I don't know where it's good because people, people tell me different places all the time. Someone said, and someone said, career town, someone said, and silver like someone said Glendale. People are really divided. People are really like into where they live. Like I'm in West Hollywood. I dig it. But then there's East Sideers who like don't want to go to the West Side. It's a whole thing. I don't know if I could fold West Hollywood. I mean, that is so expensive. I think people can kind of rich. I'm really not. Well, I got a rent control place. So I'm very happy. I've been about that. I've been here nine years and it's a quick walk in between Melrose and Santa Monica Avenue. So it's a good spot for me for walking, which I rarely do because I'm in here doing this. But I want to talk about your YouTube stuff and how fanatical you get with the editing and with the stuff. Are you a bit of a workaholic because I get the sense that you are. And yes, I think I am. I mean, I think I, if I'm not doing anything productive in a while, or made anything, even if it's just a little drawing or something, I do get quite like and like, oh, I need to do something. So yeah, I think I am not as much as like some drag queens. Jesus Christ, they don't stop. Well, it's like tricks, you mean? Yeah, it does not stop. But I really admire that. Like, I don't know where the hell she gets that energy from. Because I'm not good all the time. And tired, but busy. Do you suffer from anxiety at all? Oh, yeah. I mean, Lodidus and I think it was probably yet. I've been on to Telegram for many, many years now. That's why I'm a Miroca. But you've been on what? Sorry, I missed what you said. A Sittalapram. Oh, okay. Yeah, I forget. Because the names, this is the other thing that I learned going back and forth from the UK. Everything has a different name. And then I like, I really remember. Yeah, well, the prams though, you know, the kids need prams. And then some adults too, too. Like, I'll, I'll, I'll last a prime or whatever. That's the Xanax over there. And I have that. That's what you all have. That's Al Prasalam. Sorry, Al Prasalam. That's right. And so I imagine Sittalapram is something similar to that. Because the suffix. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, the suffix. Well, the thing is I, I, it's just to control my emotions a little bit. I think it's helping control my emotions so much. Because I'm a very, um, open down person. Okay. Like, you can see, you can see it in my drag. Like, no, like one minute, I'm like, and that's been like, so it, like, I am very emotional person. So it kind of just helps me not get into panic. Yeah. Well, the Xanax does that for me as well. And then I'm on a stimulant medication for ADHD and heaven for ages and ages. But I found the, like the anxiety thing I didn't realize. I just thought, you know, you think things are just particular to you. And then also the bipolar meds have helped tremendously too. But with your ups and downs, like, how long do they last? Like, how, how roughly would you, do you say like within a day, you can just go up and down? I'm not so bad now because, you know, it's to help them help so much. But, um, I don't know, I just go through bits where I'm like stressing about absolutely nothing. I got worried about really small nif-things. It's just something really big and really serious happening. I'm okay. I'm fine. It doesn't get me. But if it's really tiny and really, it doesn't matter at all, then I, that's a big deal. That sounds it. Go ahead. Sorry. It's like, if I, for example, um, making a cup of tea, it's because that would be because if I'm making like a cup of tea, um, like my brain will go, okay, but I've got to get cup up the cup of it and then I've got to, yeah, and then I've got to turn the kettle on and then I've got to get a milk out of the fridge and then I've got to, and then it just, overcompaints itself to the point where I'm going to die. So I'm like, I'm right, you know what? I just leave it. Yeah. But like a big thing, like putting together some project or, you know, like planning a video that you got to edit, totally fine. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. I don't usually struggle with that as much. I think I use, I'll just, usually I'll just sort of throw myself into that kind of thing, um, because I trust myself when it comes to group like creative stuff. Like instead of the tea cup and worrying about, I got to do this and then oh wait, it's the kettle and I'm maybe distracted by something else and it is the milk fresh. Uh, it's just like, it's, it's laid out in your mind. You're like, oh, yeah, okay, I do this. I do that. I do this. And then boom. Yeah. Yeah. I'm similar. And this is more indications to me that you probably have ADHD. Yeah. This, this isn't even a podcast. This is literally like a therapy session. And you are diagnosing me on this podcast. Thank you. Dr. Craig, which we call Dr. Craig. I love that. You know, I, I, I, there's not the first time I've been nicknamed that and I, I love that. I think the first time was when I was persuading a friend of mine to have a hair of the dog, because they were like, woefully hungover. And I said, just listen, it's, I know it's not the greatest thing to do, but just, just to have like a mimosa and because they were like, you know, that, that, that depressed kind of like, like anxious, like, oh my god, uh, kind of hungover. And I said, just listen to Dr. Craig. And that was the first time I said it, but then someone else says that as well. I'd like to do advice stuff. I think probably because I've had so much, bumpy spots as well. Well, um, I wanted to think if there's anything else in there. See, see this is my ADHD now, blanking out. But oh, I know what I was gonna say. Yeah. I have three beverages next to me because I know that when I do a taping, I need to have water. I don't want to necessarily think about, do I want water iced tea or hot tea? I'll just have everything next to me. It's all there. All the options. Got whole bar next to you. Yeah, exactly. What's up for you before the tour starts? Like a rehearsal? I've got a couple of things happening before the tour. I'm doing something on Wednesday, no Thursday in London. I don't know whether I'm alive. Something to do with the scare nays, which will be very fun. And then I'm doing a festival. It was called Glitterbomb Festival. Oh, yeah, I've heard a good bar, but I've wanted to go there. Very excited for that because a lot of queens on the line up, but I know really well, so it's going to be a right life. But this from now till June is literally head down, get it all fleshed out, rehearsed. Because this show isn't really practice for you lip syncs and then chat. It's scripted and it's musicals and it's singing and it's a lobster clause. Yeah, I just need to just crack on with it and make sure I get it finished. Lobster clause is really the true foundation of theater. Those not in theater at any point in their life don't know that, but I feel we can share that here. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And with your rehearsal process, have you had one before that was as intense as this one will be? Like have you done a project, a film thing or anything like that that is so complex or comprehensive before? No. Honestly, I can competently say no. And it's because it's mixed singing, it's mixed pre-recorded lines, it's mixed sound, effect cues, it's lighting cues, it's all very like copyright. So and it's a lot of stunk comedy this time. So last time was just like meeting Sally on a microphone, which is a lot more like structurally written. Sure. I'm sorry, I missed you last time, but that's the time I got COVID, which I actually got retrieving a piece of luggage that they didn't lose. I left at the airport. So I was going back and forth, not wearing a mask. And then I was struck down. Oh my god. So sadly I missed your show. But before you'll see me again in LA. Yeah, exactly. And I'm really looking forward to that. And I wanted to know also before we go, what's like a nice day off with Phil? What do you like to do? Oh, day off. Am I just love doing nothing? It's so lovely, just for not even thinking about, because I'm constantly running around the house, sorting, drag out bits and embarrassing and shit. So I like to just swap movies and relax with my gorgeous cat. And yeah, I also like playing Sins is a big way for me to one mind. Yeah. Well, it sounds like it's a tried and true methods. That's some horror films. And oh, food, we didn't talk about food yet. What are some of your favorite things to eat when you're just hanging out? I love what? Well, not what I'm hung out because you know, it's expensive, but I love lobster so much. And when I was in America, you don't really have them in the UK, but seafood boil. Oh, okay. Is that the thing where the, yeah, yeah, it's just like they throw it on the table? Yeah, I thought you got it in like a, you got it in like a bucket or something. Yeah, it's got loads of lobsters and crayfish and everything in it. I love just fresh seafood. I just really love. I'm Sushi. I love Japanese food as well. I'm waiting to see if you are touring anywhere around Massachusetts or anywhere. Go, go hog wild because that is the land I'm from there. It's the land of not just where I'm from, but lots of lobster, lots of fresh seafood and so on. So go go now. I wouldn't advise Michigan seafood because it's a bit landlocked, but other than that. Okay, I loved them amazing seafood boil in a root pudding. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was called crab daddies and it was so good. Oh, my God. It was amazing. Yeah, there's no end of great restaurants in New York and now in England because I guess about 15, 20 years ago, they figured they had to change that. And of course, I have to ask your favorite junk food. Oh, McDonald's. I mean, you can't go wrong with a bloody McDonald's. Can you? Well, not that you've got McDonald's. I have a lot of McDonald's. Oh, you did. Well, you came McDonald's is different because you guys don't have, well, you guys have all the restrictions that prevent like a lot of junk going in the food. So I can have like, yeah, I eat all the ready-made stuff and everything from the supermarket here. I can't. Yeah, I went into where we've got McDonald's in New York and it's literally like Greece just still like the whole thing there. Very gorgeous. Yeah. Well, before we go, first off, it's been lovely having this extended chat with you. I mean, we had good times and stuff, but to actually dig deep into your life and other things. Yes, it's been very gorgeous to share all of my personal life on here. All my mental disorders and medication. Well, this is the show for it. Quite frankly, given the host. Dr. Ray. Yeah. Well, Juno, Juno, yeah, pardon me. Juno, my love to you. My love to Phil and Jasmine, my love to you as well. Thank you, my love.