Julian Edelman & Cooper Kupp on Super Bowl 60, NFL Beauty Pageants, and Burger Flipping OCs | EP 178

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news is brought to you by reese's oreo cups and the newest news of new news is that the eagles have finally hired an offensive coordinator sean manion how about it for those of you that are unaware sean manion's past and what he is is i guess what his lineage is he has been in the mcveigh tree pretty much his entire career he was with the rams briefly under jeff fisher uh but for the most part he has been with sean mcveigh in the rams he's been with kevin o'connell in the vikings and he has been with the rams for a long time and he's been with the rams for a long time and he's more importantly only been coaching for two years uh under the matt lafleur tree in green bay so he is very well versed in that specific coaching tree what does that tell me that system uh that tells me the eagles offense is going to look drastically different that's a signal that the eagles are going to try and move into where a lot of the nfl is going which is a lot of the run play action um motion offenses that are really spreading across the country because they've been very successful yeah a lot of this stuff is rooted in the mike shanahan gary kubiak lineages back in the 90s denver broncos era terrell davis uh john elway and um rooted in outside zone boot these offenses are doing more duo don't forget how how how well that tight end can uh thrive in these offense with little shannon sharp man oh you're right uncle's a part of those broncos years this is a signal that the the eagles are going to train drastically and probably change in a way that a lot of eagles fans want them to do there's been a lot of noise throughout the year about you know stagnant offenses limited route receiver uh route trees you know a lot of things that monday morning quarterbacks have been showing clips of and getting eagles fans fired up about uh eagles fans have been voicing their displeasure of what the offense looked like this is a clear sign that that is going to be drastically different next year i'm excited to see what this looks like jalen's under center a lot more in this this type of offense and what that does for saquon what that does for for for jaylen in terms of run run fakes and things like that um obviously like uh he's he's always been a kind of in the gun kind of quarterback but i think there's it there's something about what this often this style of offense does to to help a quarterback if he just dives in and uh and and accept it now don't get me wrong it's jaylen hurts they're gonna do stuff out of the gun because that's where he's comfortable but i think it's going to be a lot more of a comfortable and they're gonna they're gonna kind of mold this thing around him because he's the one he's the signal caller but at the same time i'm interested to see you know how they're going to be using these big offensive linemen and in the outside zone and all the different variations of it it's going to be it's going to be fun to see how it all kind of unfolds yeah i think you bring up a good point about it molding around jaylen hurts i think it'll be interesting to see how much this offense for the eagles next year does look like a lot of these other uh mcveigh shanahan tree coaches and i think it's going to be interesting to see how much this offense for coaches and what they did and what he did in green bay with the floor um versus what the eagles have had success with with jaylen hurts and the skill set that he has they when they had uh malik willis playing this year they did a lot more of gun runs and zone reads and things like that uh jordan love will do that stuff as well the one thing i really like about shaman is that he has familiarity a little bit in that stuff as well especially as a quarterback coach he understands you know how do we utilize the strengths of the signal caller you saw jordan love develop when he was a quarterback he got to green bay and become a better player so there's a lot of things that i like out of what appears to be sean manion's um not just his past experiences and players he's coached but also how those players have developed and gotten better i also like that he's a fast riser right two years and all of a sudden he's an offensive coordinator that tells me that there's a lot of other coaches that are speaking very highly of this guy right yep you don't get an opportunity like this without a lot of people vouching for you this early i'm excited to see what this thing looked like looks like and i think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch looks like i really am people in in philadelphia are getting what they asked for they're going to get a completely different version of uh these uh this highly uh skilled and highly powerful offense as well as everyone's coming back healthy so it's good it's definitely going to be something that's uh that um is going to be fun to watch no doubt there is still the question mark i mean the big thing everybody's talking about he's never called plays right that's the big negative and most of the really good play callers that are doing a great job currently in the nfl already have jobs right there was a guy available mike mcdaniel he took the la job brian dable takes a tennessee job so you know who else do you get that is you feel really confident in they decided to go with the guy who's up and coming and has a lot of uh interesting uh backgrounds and ways to kind of shift and mold the offense into something new and we're just gonna have to wait and see how he is as a play caller i hear you and don't get me wrong having andy reed is my play caller my entire life i have been the most fortunate of having a really seasoned play caller that knows knows when to dial these things up but at the end of the day there's going to be you know there's going to be those big time situational plays where yeah you're really leaning on the coach to to put you in a good spot but at the the majority i think of the time in the nfl you're going out there you're having to make something work and and so at the end you have the players there and it's just the accountability and making sure that it all meshes well and that the the coaches are putting them in good positions but at the end of the day you know going out there making those fucking plays is is what's going to change the game no doubt and uh you know there's a question in here what does he have to do to win over the philly faithful let's i mean there's it's not complicated you go out there and win games you have a good offense i mean there's not an easy way to do it i mean sometimes you gotta you gotta kick the biggest you gotta go jail rules right when you go to jail there's a lot of intimidating you don't know anything about jail jason well i hear this though i hear this from people who've been to jail i've heard it in movies so it's gotta have some You go up to the biggest, baddest guy, and you start a fight, right? To set the tone that I'm not to be fucked with, right? So I think Sean Manion needs to go to the biggest, baddest Philadelphia Eagles fans' house and just go and egg it. He's just got to egg their house, preemptively egg their house. Take the fight to them. Just start egging houses? Listen, we do have some film breakdown and video that we're going to be diving into from Sean Manion and Green Bay and looking at what this offense looks like. I think we've wanted to get into video breakdowns before. It's not the easiest to figure out virtually and with all the editing and whatnot, but we've tried to do something, and we're only going to get better at it. Yeah, so we're going to be doing some film breakdown of why we like the hire, why we don't, what we think it'll incorporate into the Philadelphia Eagles offense, as well as just watching ball. I love watching, talking ball, and Green Bay was doing some really cool, interesting things. So yeah, keep a lookout on the YouTube channel for when that comes out. And yeah, we also have a special guest at the end of the episode today. You guys are not going to want to miss this. Who was not the biggest fan of Kevin Petullo, as you guys might remember. We've got Sam Salvo, the young man who went virtual for saying that Kevin Petullo should be flipping burgers, and A.J. Brown needs to start packing his bags. At the end of the episode, he's a young star in the making, and we're going to have him on to talk about this new hire and Sean Manion. Can't fucking wait. Travis! Travis is headed to Waste Management's Open Pro-Am. Yes, sir. Travis, you ever been there before? Have you played in it? So those of you that don't know what it is, it's the PGA tournament out in Arizona, out in Phoenix. The Waste Management Open is iconic. It's iconic for how much of a party it is all weekend. The infamous hole 16, par 3, is fucking electric. They create an entire arena around a par 3. It's done like no other hole in golf. And it's epic, man. I've always wanted to play in it. I've always wanted to, well, obviously play in the PGA, but I've always wanted to actually, like, play the course while this grandstand is there, and it's pretty fucking cool that I'm getting the opportunity to. That's right. Well, famously in the past, the tournament has had to suspend alcohol sales because it is that wild, folks. Waste Management does not mess around. Travis, are you ready for this? Who are you paired with? I don't know if I'm allowed to say or if I even know exactly. Exactly who it is that I'm paired with. Whoever I'm playing with, they're a fucking PGA golfer. You know what I mean? So anytime I'm around, you know, pros in different sports, I always get pumped to, like, just, I don't know, kind of pick their brain and be a part of their world. So this would be fucking pretty damn cool, especially at a tournament like Waste Management. That par 3, what's the distance on that sucker? Do you know? Last year, it was anywhere from, like, 150 to 150. 180. Okay, okay. So it's not like a crazy distance. I think they give people the excitement that, oh, somebody might jar this, you know? It's not like the hardest, like, you know, green to hit. It's not like a 230 where you're, like, trying to choose, am I hitting a long iron or what am I doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't fucking wait. I'm fucking pumped for this. I haven't swung a golf club in three weeks. This will be so much fun to just go out there and try not to hit one off of the fucking nozzle and smoke some weed. Which would also be hilarious. I'm either going for that or going to jar one, baby. Kill one or hole in one. Got it. All right. ESPN is airing the Philly Special this Friday, February 6th. A30 for 30 is coming out on the Philly Special. That's right. What? Are you in it? I am. Yes, I'm in it. Nick Foles is in it. Everybody that touched the ball in the Philly Special, as well as Doug Peterson, who made the call. Dougie P. Listen, it's really. All-encompassing of that Super Bowl run, but the emphasis is definitely on that play in particular and that moment for Philadelphia. So it was a blast to be a part of. All of us got together, me, Corey, Trey Burton, Nick Foles, and Doug Peterson in Philadelphia to reminisce about the play and talk about what led to that moment. So that was a lot of fun, and I can't wait to see what the final product looks like. Man, I think. Dude, I can't wait either. Man, it was just so wild. Fourth and one in the Super Bowl. Biggest game of your life. 30 seconds left. Left in the half. Oh, I can't fucking wait. God, doggone, man. Talk about crazy weather in the United States right now. That fucking week in Minnesota. Holy shit. It was a balmy. What, 12? I don't remember. I just remember leaving the stadium, and it was cold as fuck. And it was a blizzard the whole time. Like, literally, I remember this is kind of when Uber started and, like, Lyft and all these car services really started to, like, become a thing. And I'm over here trying to get them everywhere. And they're like, bro, I can't even get to you. Like, the roads are so bad. The traffic is all backed up because there's really nowhere for everybody to go because everyone's driving so slow. Like, it was like you had to get an Uber an hour and a half in advance. And it was like, man, it was insane. But it made it that much more fun to kind of be in that bubble downtown with everyone because everyone was just like, you know what? I'm not going out to the Mall of America because I can't fucking get there. You know, I'm going to go ahead and just hit the bars and hit the. hit these restaurants around downtown and meet up with friends. And, man, it made it for such a fucking unique Super Bowl, man. It was so cool to, you know, see my brother win his first Super Bowl, but also, you know, be amongst the madness that was that Minnesota downtown that year. It was wild. It sure was. I was just thankful for all the skywalks, not having to go outside. Dude, the skywalks. How about it? They got that shit figured out in Minnesota, man. If they were going to make a doc about any other game or play from your career, what do you think? They'd make a doc about Trev. Me? Like the Chiefs? Yeah. Or something in your career. I think it would probably be the three-jet wasp. The play in the Super Bowl to Tyreek where we're down two scores and we need a huge player down three scores and need a huge play down to our last, you know, or what felt like our last dollar. And Tyreek came up fucking big with Coach BN and me calling the right play and Pat kind of throwing it out there as famous words. We got wasp. What about wasp? And man, absolutely electric. So I'd say that's probably our Philly special in that regard. And that's the only one that really comes to mind. All right. Last bit of new news. Not sure you guys know this, but we do have a website, kelseyclubhouse.com. If you're throwing a Super Bowl party, we got you covered. Check out the sale for all of your party essentials. That's right. Table cloths. Heat thermometer. Definitely got to know if that meat is done cooking. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Jungle juice dispenser. Can't forget your football balloons. Got to make it festive. Yeah. Don't forget that charcoal, baby. Yeah. X's and O's plates. Make it football centric. Live it up. I mean, this is the time of year, man. This is basically a national holiday Super Bowl time. Dude, I don't know whose Super Bowl party it was. I don't even know whose house we were at. I just remember mom and dad taking us to a Super Bowl party, and it was the year that the Titans played the, the Rams in the Super Bowl, and it came down to that last, like, play. Do you remember this? The greatest show? I don't fucking know, but I remember it like it was yesterday. The whole house, like, it was, they were all cheering for the Rams, for sure. It was a St. Louis, like, house because the entire, like, I just remember Kurt Warner memorabilia being everywhere, and all the cups and everything were St. Louis. All the napkins were St. Louis. And it's just something about that as a kid, man. It's just implemented in my fucking brain. Yeah. All right. Now, once again, that's new news brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. Let's keep this thing moving into a little bit of Super Bowl Bold Topics. That's right. It's the big game this Sunday, and we got some big things to talk about. First thing is that Bold Topics is brought to you by Xfinity. That's right. This week, we're bringing some friends on to talk about this big game. And as always, we have our notorious introductioneer. I just made up a word. You guys know what I'm talking about, Jason. Kind of auctioneer, but introductioneer. I see what you did there. Yeah. Jason. Either way, we got some awesome guests. Let's get to the first one right now. Here to represent the New England Patriots, he is the host of Games with Names and Dudes on Dudes podcast, a seventh-round pick out of Kent State, three-time Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP, 92%-ist. Please welcome back to the show for his second appearance, Mr. Julian Edelman. Edel-nut. Edel-nut. Edel-nut himself. He's back. How you guys doing? How you guys doing? Thanks for having me. Doing great, man. It's Super Bowl week. No job January over here, man. Just enjoying some free time and watching some good ball on Sundays, man. Yeah, you're not used to that, though. That's probably an uncomfortable feeling, huh? Yeah, you know the feeling, dude. You know the feeling. I get it. I get it. When you go to – I mean, you both have been to a bunch of Super Bowls and a lot of them in a short amount of time, like your body clock is messed up that first time you're not in it. You're like, what's going on? Right. I'm not going to throw on a beard. I'm five years out and it just feels right. It looks good. I'm like, what the hell are we doing? It looks good, man. Why am I doing this still? Don't change it. Don't change it. It's stupid. It's 80 degrees. You're not in Boston anymore, Jules. You don't need that. I know. I know. All right. Well, should we get right into the Pats? What do you think? Let's do it, dude. How you feeling? What's your confidence level for the Super Bowl for the Patriots? Well, I'm excited. I'm super excited. And I am very confident with the Patriots. the page. Going into this game. Yeah. And there's been a lot of talk about the easy road, the schedule, young football team going against a juggernaut. And a lot of these narratives are things that this organization has dealt with before. So, you know, I'm very, I'm very interested to see the coaches of the Patriots and what they game plan going into this thing. They've got they've got a lot of experience in this. You know, Braves, yeah, he's never coached in one, but he's got Josh McDaniels, who's coached in 10. He's been a former head coach. Braves has played in this thing. So I just think there's a lot of value in that experience of the routine of the Super Bowl. Because you guys know. More than anyone right now. This game is a different game. Completely. And the little things that the coaches prepare you for, or at least me, I saw come to fruition in the game. So I think I'm excited with their opportunity. Yeah, man. So there's something we wanted to ask you. It is a young team. There's a lot of guys that haven't played in it. You mentioned Braves, your organization have a ton of experience in this game. Right. You yourself, obviously, ton of experience playing. Playing in this game in this week. What piece of advice would you give the guys that are playing in it for the first time? The Drake Mays and the young players? What would you tell them? My advice would be is keep the routine the same. Maybe maybe if you want, you know, do a little couple extras like I'd always catch another like 500 balls after practice or, you know, something that wouldn't tax my body, but fundamentally get me confident and keep the routine the same. You know, you guys are here for a reason. It's because of how you play. Be prepared all year going into a game. It always worked, you know, and it continued to work. So you don't have to do too much. And then one last thing I would tell them, you know, be prepared for a marathon, not a sprint. This thing, this game is a it's longer. Yep. Be prepared for, you know, spurts of rhythm throughout the game and take advantage of that. Yeah. But know that this is a long game and the team that wins is the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, not the team that makes the most plays. If you watch, you know, it's the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, you know, left tackle, jumping off sides, a receiver not breaking hot on a hot route and it's interception, you know, the quarterback not getting the right protection, things that we're not going to see that you need to check. Okay. Okay. Okay. box every you know play when we're evaluating our plays after the game like just don't have those negative plays the team that has the least amount of those wins yeah dude it's crazy to say that because a lot of the times in these big games especially early on you feel like you gotta be your greatest you feel like you gotta make that extra that crazy one-handed catch when no one like expects you to make the play but it's really just those little things that you know you're getting that cutoff block on the back side so if that thing you know peels back to you you know so you can get six yards exactly just so you can get a few yards and get downhill you now you're not playing behind the sticks and things like that it's it's such a easy concept to like talk about but when you're in it man you want to be your best and you want to be the fucking one that like catapults the the guys to the to the next game or to the to the to the win and it's like man if you just go out there and and focus on doing those little things that you're doing you're going to be the best you're going to be the best you're going to be the those those big plays when the instincts are are are when you're in it and those big plays need to be made you're you'll make them by just like being you you know you don't got to be an extra version of yourself so i'm so with you on that man absolutely and then you know like and and it sounds easy oh hey just do it but the distractions and and the you know the pre uh game ceremonies and the 28 minute halftime there's so many things that you can do to make sure that you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not you're not different variables that make it so much harder than a regular game yes you know what i mean so that lol it's not gonna be a sprint this thing's not gonna happen after you know you you stop you hold the team three and now you go and score oh this game's over you know no this thing's gonna be a marathon they're they're always close more than they're not right uh which they can get to not being close they can be a blowout but more than not it's it's it's usually a close game have you talked to braves at all yeah i i i talked to braves week three when they lost to this who'd they lose to was it the raiders or no no it was the saints maybe i i had the hall of fame induction braves came to the ceremony and that was like one of the last times they lost but yeah we talked a little bit he kind of busted my balls said i went a little long on my hall of fame speech and told me you know he goes jules you know hey just to give you a reminder halftime i know you're gonna speak to the crowd and everything just remember it's 12 minutes all right but it's 12 minutes in the regular season what a guy you missed you missed him by like one year right in terms of playing uh i missed him by one year he got signed to the chiefs i got drafted in but uh we used to go to the kentucky derby together and uh we had so much crossover that you know i feel like i played with them and the stories about braves lived on past braves just in the locker room i can only imagine if you got a good one please share man i he's a northeast ohio guy so watching braves at ohio state and then obviously at the patriots is like fucking i feel like he's like a part of my family for some reason it was always like hey you know braves would have killed you for getting on this taping table as a rookie uh before this guy like little things like that and then you always heard you know coach would reference other coaches would reference oh you know able to ate that up on scout team or or you know this guy was one of the smartest football players that we we've ever seen and when you're hearing that from you know the coaches that we had that i think you know are pretty dang good yeah you know they if they're gonna carry a guy's name he must have been doing something right yeah him and rodney harrison they always talked about rodney they talked about a lot of those former guys but uh you know they always talked about braves in a in a in a great fashion and it's been really cool to see him he's always been a stud though like it's not like oh this is his first time doing good things right he was great with tennessee he was you know when he went to ohio state as a as a younger coach and he's done great things anything he's done so it's been really cool to see oh yeah i was gonna ask you what do you what do you think has enabled him to have so much success so quickly in new england like in one year to be in the super bowl to turn it around from what it's been the last couple years i mean it's it's fucking amazing like truly it is i think it's a combination of things i think uh rkk mr craft making the right call getting the right people in the building at the right time i think it's the relationship between elliot wolf stretch vrabel whoever's getting the players in uh they've hit on a lot of their free agents milt williams been lights out spillane's been lights out uh digs in the offensive sides brought a new attitude to that receiver room and then they have 11 rookies that they've drafted on the team so you know they've been hitting on guys they brought in guys they've drafted and drake may having josh mcdaniels this year i think has been huge so i i think it's a combination of like the perfect storm of things happening and things can happen that quick in this league because you know it's built on parody and the crappiest team is not as crappy as you think in this league like they're like three players five players away which can be hit in a draft or through free agency however your team is built so i think it's a combination of things love it love it and brain's a great coach too you know shit yeah we got cooper cup coming on here uh after you brother to represent the seattle side two of the best wide receivers ever to play in the super bowl man cooper's coming back for his second run at it you got anything you want to say to cooper i have anything uh i have any questions for him uh ask him i've been making my french press coffee a little weird how many just ask him what's the weight on how much i gotta put in because he's a big coffee guy he's did his dodo thing over here once i you know he gave me a coffee machine you know we know he's the triple crown winner we know he's still balling in the super bowl and he's still balling at a high level at a high age but i just want to know about the coffee how's how do i get my my french press right coffee is an underrated part about having success in the league too whenever i get a young guy and he's not drinking coffee i'm like do it do you not like taking legal performance and answers why the fuck would you not drink coffee what are you doing man i didn't drink coffee until i got in the league that's right and then i started chewing i started drinking coffee i mean how do you get through these meetings that's right that's right people don't realize there's there's this is like you have to go to school before you get to just play football it's like you're in class all day long yeah yeah that's so fucking good all right we gotta ask about the french press man i'm actually curious about this one is there anything you would say the patriots win if they do x they get the patriots win if they can get the ball off sam darnold and and win that turnover margin yeah uh i really think if you get it to a nitty-gritty game you have milton williams in the middle bar more on the other in the middle together getting pressure in the middle of the pocket, and getting a takeaway from that explosive offense, and they've got to take advantage of it, I think that's their best opportunity of winning. Because I think Seattle, if you look at them, they're a complementary football team. We've talked about it all year. All phases, special teams, offense, defense. But when they've gotten to hairy, nitty-gritty games with teams, they've been able to beat them with all their units. I don't think they could do that with the Patriots. They're pretty dang good on all three units too. So I think when they get into a hairy game with a team that can nullify them on special teams and not give them an explosion play, or maybe hit them with an explosion play with Marcus Jones at punt return or kickoff, I think those are the types of teams that they struggle with because then it presses on to Darnold to making a play. They've got to get more in the drop back. They can't play on schedule. They're run game always. So getting the ball off Sam, getting that pressure in the middle of the pocket, I think it'll give them their best chance to win. It makes sense, man. It makes all the sense in the world. Interior pressure. If you look at all the Super Bowl teams that have won over the last few years, I mean, you look at dominant D tackles and controlling the middle of that freaking line of scrimmage. It disrupts the run game, and then it pressures the quarterback. Everybody wants to talk about edge pressure. There's something about that interior pressure. Millie Williams and Barmer. Freaking balling right now, both of them. Well, especially his pocket passer. You know, Sam, he's athletic, but he likes to do everything behind that center at eight, seven yards, wherever that spot is for him, and he likes to deliver the ball off that play action. They do a great job moving it, but, you know, Sam, he don't like that middle pressure if you watch. Whenever he's struggled, it's because of that pressure right in his face because it's hard to dissect that defense. Absolutely. Gets him a little bit off schedule. Gets him off target, and then he'll still throw it up there. All right. Let's hit it with this last thing, dude. We got to know you're welcome to the Super Bowl moment. Out of all the Super Bowls you went to, man, what was the one moment that hit you that you can remember that was just like, man, I'm in it, man? I really think there's two for me. From my first one, we lost against the New York Giants in 2011, and that was still early. That was, like, so kind of almost pre-phone, still getting into the phone age. Uh-huh. The phone age. That first kickoff, when you used to run in these Super Bowls, all you would see is just flashes. Yes. And I was in R2, and you'd run, and I just remember seeing all the flashes on kickoff. Oh, wow. And I remember seeing those flashes. Dude, that's cinematic, dude. That's crazy. Yeah, it's super. I remember that and the national anthem, you know, and the national anthem's going. You see whoever, who's singing it. Some, whatever celebrity's there. You know, you start to feel the environment of how big this is. I think those two things were, like, my welcome to the Super Bowl moment. By the time, you know, we got there in 14 again, and then 16, you know, then I kind of had a feel for it. But that first time, you know, it's like, holy smokes. Dude, you're in line. What are we doing here, Batman? Dude, pre-phone and pre-kickoff, like, change. Like, the kickoff when it was the fucking kickoff. Yes, we're rolling. Dude, we're fucking charged now, baby. Oh, more daddy. I'm going to go bust a wedge. That's right. That's fucking cool. And the moment you said national anthem, I started getting goosebumps. Because that is, and still, even, like, when I'm at a regular game, every time I hear the national anthem, that kind of is, like, for some reason, a very visceral moment for me. And I don't think it's just about the national anthem. It's something about, like, that it's about to happen. Like, that's always the trigger in our heads for. Timing. Yes. And at the Super Bowl, it just is. It's at another level every single time. That's one of my favorite moments when they're videotaping everybody. And you see guys just, like, so emotional. Like, just, like, caged dogs ready to get out there. And, man, puts you right back into it, for sure. It really does, man. The national anthem, anytime you watch it, like, especially in the big games, you know, you got the Jets flying over. You got the military there. The fans are going. Yeah. And you got, you know, someone's crying. You know, that's, that's, that's. Because that, like you said, it's ripe. It's calm before the storm. It's about to, it's about to go down. Yes. And it's been like that since we were kids. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Right after the national anthem, we're going and we're playing ball. Yes. Let's freaking go. Headbutting everybody. Fucking fire up, man. Go, go. I'm fired up for the Super Bowl, baby. I can't wait. Pats, Seahawks, we appreciate you hopping on, Jules. You're the man, brother. No problem, guys. 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Back to you, fellas. That's right. PDF spaces is the smartest way to prep for and enjoy authentic conversations. Learn more at adobe.com slash do that with Acrobat. Here to represent the Seattle Seahawks, our guest is a six foot two wide receiver from Eastern Washington University. He is a pro bowler, all pro NFL triple crown winner and 2021 NFL offensive player of the year. He is a Super Bowl champion and Super Bowl. Fifty six MVP. Ninety two percent is please welcome Cooper Cup. That's awesome. I am is that you rounded up from six one to six two. That was the best part of the whole thing. I'm the same way. I'm six three. That's all the things. Yeah, I'll take it. A combine will get you, man. They go down to the eighth of an inch. It's not fair. I was six five my whole life. And at the combine, I'm six, four and seven. Eight. So I'm like, I'm going to do it. I'm like, you motherfuckers couldn't give me one more eight in it. You learn a lot of the combine, man. You learn a lot, even about yourself, even about yourself. Like, oh, I had no idea I was that short. That's crazy. I'm that slow. I thought I ran a four seven. I didn't know I was running. Hey, you're telling me you're telling me. Yeah. Yeah. Wanted to jump it off, man. Congrats on the year so far, man. NFC champs. You know how to do this thing, though, man. Obviously, you have literally the best run in playoff. off history at the wide receiver position, man, in terms of just Stats and touchdowns and going out there and actually getting the fucking dub in the big game, man. How does it feel to get back to the Super Bowl? Yeah, it's pretty sweet. You just don't take these things for granted. I mean, we've all been lucky enough to be on parts of teams that get to the show and, you know, make it happen, get the chance to play in the big one. And I've also been a part of it. We've all been part of really good teams where, like, man, the belief is that you're there. You're going through training camp. You're like, we're going to the Super Bowl. Like, we know the work. Like, we have everything it takes to get there, and you don't, and you fall short. And so to be in this place, to be able to, you know, week in, week out, find a way to get wins and get here, it's a special thing. How has it been with the new team? Obviously, you know, this is not a lot of people from the outside saw it coming. I'm sure you guys, seeing it from your perspective, had high expectations. What's the team camaraderie been like all year? You know, how has it been being in Seattle? It's been good. I mean, obviously, it was a new experience, coming over here with the new team and all that. But, I mean, there was a belief early on, like you said. I mean, it was exactly what Mike McDonald said up there on that stage. You know, we did not care. You know, it was like this whole thing, like all the narratives, all this other stuff. It's like, no, we're just going about our business. We're going to handle our stuff. And it was that from day one, from OTAs on. It's like, man, we're just going to do what we do and get better and better and better. And it wasn't like this. This isn't one of those teams that I would have said, day one, like, oh, yeah, we got all the pieces together to go make this thing happen. And it was truly like a build, a slow build of like, hey, this is coming together and gelling, and the guys are coming together, the belief in one another, the camaraderie, just the people, the energy of the locker room is special. You could feel the energy in the fucking preseason, Coop. I remember playing you guys in the preseason, dude, and I was like, I was sitting there on the sideline that second half watching my guys try and battle your guys as like kind of like second and third string guys. And I'm sitting there, I'm just like, this team has the fucking juice. Like these guys love playing the game of football and they do, and they do it together. And it wasn't just the starters. It wasn't just the guys after that. It was all the way through the end of the game, man. And when you see guys loving to play the game together like that, man, having that energy, having that excitement is the start of it. And then from there, you obviously have great coaches, great leaders. You have to talk to us about, about a guy named Sam Darnold. How fun has it been fucking seeing that guy grow into the, to the Superbowl quarterback that he is today? Ginger cuz. Ginger cuz. I was waiting for it. He's been the man. He, I mean, honestly, the quarterbacks in general, they are on the highest pedestal of like, you do not have a whole lot of time to prove yourself before you get counted out. And for Sam Darnold to do what he did, through this time with the Jets, with Carolina, all the scarring that happens, that's like, man, everything that's put on you that's saying you, you aren't this anymore. Like you're not that guy for him to push through all those things, to go to San Francisco, to learn his stuff there, to be able to like take in all this, the Shanahan, like, man, this is, I can do this system. I believe in this, what, how this is done, how this quarterback, how quarterbacks are asked to play this game, to go and do it for KOC in Minnesota. And then to come over here and just ball out like this. I mean, it's just incredible. It's just incredible. It's not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is for quarterbacks to do. It is not an easy thing. And he's, he's kind of, you know, he's gone against, you know, common belief about quarterbacks and how it works, you know? So it's a, it's just special. I could not agree more, man. And like, listen, I keep getting asked like who you're rooting for in the game. And like, I don't really have a horse in the race. Like I like storylines on both sides, but it's hard to not want this to happen for Sam. It really is. Cause I think anybody that's been in the league and struggled through it yourself and had to persevere through ups and downs. Like it is very difficult, especially once that narrative throughout the league has already been set. It's hard to get that next opportunity. Exactly. For him to be able to do this multiple times, have to reaffirm himself and to have the year he's had on a special team right now. Like it's, it's hard not to root for the ginger cuz man. What's the better nickname? Ginger. Cuz or buddy. Oh, come on now. Maybe, maybe he feels a different way about it, but don't want to call me. Don't call me buddy. Don't call me. I was, you know, I got a little ginger in the beer. If they were calling me ginger cuz I'm like, I'll take ginger cuz don't call me buddy. Call me ginger. Cause I'm checking out. I'm at, I'm at a gas station getting something. You call me ginger cuz that's fine. I'm good. Don't call me buddy. Don't call me buddy. I'm pretty sure we had, uh, had our guy, Matt Stafford on here talking about how you're attending early QB meetings. You still, you still in the QB room. I'm still in the QB room. They can't get me out of there, man. It's my room now. Pick over. I love it, man. Let me ask you this and I think I already know the answer, but just for like people watching, why do you attend the QB meetings? What does a receiver get out of going to the QB meetings? Yeah. Well, I mean, for me, it's the QB perspective. I want to hear, I, I, one, I want to be in the, I want to be watching the film. I want to be watching the film with the quarterback when he's taking his notes, when he's kind of diagnosing, okay, there's, these are the things that I'm seeing. These are the things that even like give me concern, you know, that maybe the coach, it's not from the coach, it's from, from the quarterback's perspective, this is concerning to me. And maybe he's like, has a thought about how it wants, how he would want to attack or how he, what his answers he want, what answer he wants that to be. You know, I get to be in there and I get to be at the, at the genesis of it all. But then the other part of it is to be in the meetings themselves. Cause now I, in the receiver room, they're not going to touch on the, the progression of a quarterback. Like they're not saying, Hey, this is one high, two high this way. It's like, no, we're running a bench route. And so I want to know on the backside, if I'm running a China route on the backside, well, how much time do I have in my first in the progression and my fourth in the progression? Cause that really changes how I'm going to run my route. And when I can be ready, when the quarterback expects me to be ready for the ball, you know what I mean? I love this. Did you ever play a little quarterback? So my dad was a quarterback. So my, yeah. So my dad was a quarterback in the NFL for a couple of years. He backed up, he was third string Detroit Aikman. And then Jason Garrett actually beat out my dad for the third spot with the Cowboys. So, so my dad is, so I learned receiver from my dad, a quarterback. It was like, when I run a route, I wasn't getting told what to do as a receiver. I was getting told, no, you can't do that. Cause the quarterback is not going to like that. So, so he was, he was on me early. He was on me early about like sticking my foot in the ground. Like, no, you have to like, you have to indicate your indicator is not good enough. That's it. That's it. So indicator, what's we're talking in code to this fucking fat boy. Yeah. I don't know shit about an indicator. What's this? I got to use my body to communicate to the quarterback. I want to like, he's going to see me 20 yards away. And when I make a move or do something, I'm going to do something that's indicating I'm breaking down and I'm going to be in the spot that you're expecting me to go. All right. Cause he's going to be letting the ball go when my back's to him. So he needs to know like, man, Hey, it's happening now. You know why I need to be able to put my foot in the ground when I'm breaking in or out and how I'm rolling. So I can't just like, you can't just ooze into like a, a deep out route. You got to like put your foot in the ground. Like I'm going now, you know what I mean? So he knows that it's my own. Cool. I think, and that's so good. That was a great way to describe me. I think what you do that's different from others is that you're giving those indicators to the quarterback, but you never give those indicators to the defense. And that's so hard because the defense is watching those indicators. And I do a whole lot of bullshit to make up for my speed. Like I'm doing skips and, and things with my shoulders and things, you know, I'm doing all this shit just to get this much separation where you actually have the speed and you have the shoulder lean and you give none of those indicators as well as like when you want to really get open on a double move and things like that. But you're giving the defense, no indicators that you're going to be going one, one way or the other. And that, that keeps the timing of these routes so true. And it's why you always been mirrored up with your quarterback so well, man. Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Try to do it. Try to do it as a, you know, I I'm like, I ran a four, six, right? So like I got to do the hop and skip and the, I got to do the little Jack. Now I got to do a little bit of this. You got it all. You got it all in the, in the bag, but I'm a lot of those deeper routes. You don't have all the, you don't have all that ability to really get into that kind of stuff. So that's, you don't have the time. Exactly. Exactly. I get it. Well, I was just going to ask, like, listen, you were in the Rams for a very long time with one head coach. What's it been like having a new head coach and Mike McDonald, right? Like, has it been different being offense versus defense? Like, how has that been for you? Offensively? If you don't have a great day, it's okay. Cause the coach is going to be so pumped at how good a practice went. You know how it goes? It's like, it's like, Oh, Hey, defense had a great day today. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what the offense did. Hey, bring it up boys. This is a great day. Where before it didn't matter. Like it didn't matter how, what the energy was a practice. If the offense wasn't on it, it was a terrible day. It was getting crushed. Getting absolutely crushed. So that's nice being on the other end of that, that side of things. But honestly, those two guys like Sean and Mike, both on two separate ends with terms of the offense and the defense, but they are, they are doing it at the highest level of those two sides. And so it's cool. It's cool to see it. And I like to sit in there with Mike and I used to sit in with Sean and be able to talk through stuff and be able to talk like, you know, the 500, 600 level football stuff. And now I sit in there and I used to like, I could like, you know, talk. I'm like, yeah, I can, I can live at this place and like communicate. And then you start talking to Mike, you know, oh, I don't know what I'm talking about. Like this is this defense, like defense is a whole nother world that, you know, maybe you don't, you think that you understand what you're doing offensively, you're attacking stuff. There's a whole nother world out there that you don't understand that and the depth of it, you know, and I'm reminded that over and over again, as I play in this game, the depth of detail that there is in the NFL is, it's an ocean. It just keeps going, man. Yeah. And it's different the way it is in different systems. Like cover three is just like such a generic term for a way that everybody thinks about what that is, right. And how it's taught versus like different formations and clusters and what teams do specifically in their progression. And how it changes week to week. No doubt. Yeah. You obviously played with Matthew Stamper for a long time. Now with Sam Darnold. What are the differences between those two guys in particular? You know, one's got red hair, one's got gray hair. It is great though, being like Matthew Singh, when he comes in, it's like, oh, I've seen that, like any look. Oh, I saw that, you know, 2012 week four, like they brought that same pressure. It's like, okay, this is, you're ridiculous, dude. Yeah, that's true. And you can't, you can't, you can't compete with the experience that he has because it's not just the experience. It's not just time. It's like, it's memory. It's like, he has all that stored in this database. He's like an, he's like an AI center. And it's like, he's built into his brain and he just like, he's just like calling these things. Like, dude, no, I can't keep up with you. You're, you're just rolling. And, you know, for Sam, Sam is so processed. It's like, man, he's, he's seen a lot. He's been in a lot of different situations. Um, and he carries that stuff with him well, but a lot of it is his process and his preparing through the week. It's like, man, it's just, he's so on, Hey, I'm in here until seven o'clock at seven o'clock. You know, I'm moving on to my next thing and I'm on it. He's just boom, like a robot on, on his stuff. So, you know, when he gets there, when he gets to the game on Sunday, it's like, man, he's just gone through this. He's so prepared for that moment to step out there and play, or he's almost over. It's like, you don't have to poop at seven every morning. Like you can do other things. Are you ready for it, man? I love it, man. Well, I'm sure it was, uh, it was pretty weird, uh, lining up to get your former teammate or yeah, former teammates and a former team. Um, but you are in quote saying it was cool that we had to go through the Rams. The script writers did a good job with that one. I'm glad you're, you're a believer in the script writers as well. They were, uh, they were definitely writing the script for me and Jason to go to the Superbowl when we started this podcast. Yeah. You remember the meetings? Yeah. It's good. That was crazy. Wasn't it? I mean, I'm like, I said, I've talked to him this before, but there's, there's so many guys in the, like playing that game. You don't want, no one wants to make it about themselves and what, like, oh, it's my story, you know, but like in my world, that was a crazy story for it to play out. That was wild. Were you in, uh, those, uh, defensive meetings, letting them know about, uh, all the McVay's, uh, tricks up their sleeve. And, uh. I've always wondered when a guy goes to the other team. No, it is. It's hard. I mean, you can't like, yeah, I know a lot of the stuff that they do. I don't know if it's changed, you know, but I can like sit there and be like, okay, yeah, this is, looks like I know that signal. I know like what this may be with some of these, like, you know, hurry up offense, what they're doing. But how do you, as a coach, how do you tell the defense like, oh, hey, don't listen to what my call is. I need you to listen to what they're doing. And then, you know what I mean? And they know you're in McVay news. You were over there and like, that could be a possibility. So they're changing signals and all of a sudden, you know, you can get caught in a tough position. I just had to ask. Exactly. Yeah. No, it just doesn't. It just, I just don't know that it really works. You know, it's a little, I think there's little, there's little things, little pieces like, hey, this little indicator, maybe of something that's like, it's a broad thing. Like, hey, this might indicate, you know, these kinds of plays are coming versus being like, oh, this is the exact play that's, that's coming. To put that in the back of. Into somebody's mind with everything else that you got to deal with in the, on the football field. I feel like it's almost like a crutch to be able to like have somebody thinking that much about all of it. So I'm, I'm right there with you. How has the coop chant been with the 12th man instead of the Rams fans this year? Is it, is it feel weird or is it, what do you, how do you feel about it? It's been pretty solid. I'll tell you what, Lumen's crazy. Like playing in Lumen, it gets rowdy. I've been on the other side of it. It's really similar though. It used to be like, I used to run onto the field, you know, for part early on and you'd get the booze. Now I run on, I just get the coops. I've kind of been here before. That's great. You got another unbelievable wide receiver in the wide receiver room with you in Seattle right now. JSN is absolutely taking this league by storm. I think he's right now. In terms of every single route he's running pound for pound. One of the best fucking wide receivers I've ever seen play this damn game, man. He's, he's so fun to watch and he, he has that ability to just do it with ease. Similar to how, so similar to how you are. He doesn't give a lot of indicators on the deeper, on the deeper routes and he's always on time. And then his big play ability is through the fucking roof. Yeah. Did you coach him up at all? Did you give him experience? Like how, how was it when you got in the wide receiver room over there? Yeah, it was good. Yeah. I basically have built Jackson myself. No, he, yeah, he was so, I mean, he was so good when I got here, like watching him go through OTAs. Like, dude, this dude's special, you know? And I don't think like you never know going into a season, you know, statistically what the production is going to be like. What are we going to be like as an offense? You know, that dictates a lot of it as well. But he's just over and over again, made the plays. Like when the opportunities come, we don't throw the ball, like we're not super high up on the list in terms of how often we're throwing the ball. But when we do, and when the opportunity comes his way, he's making the play. And I think to do that, you got to be consistently getting open, like consistently open. You see, you don't know when that time's going to be when the ball is coming your way. And so he's just been special in that way. And like you said, no indicators, like he's so smooth. He plays at one level the entire time. You know, he can run a 15-yard outbreaking speed cut route and never change. It's like the same level the entire time. He just kind of force turns to the sideline and plays negative coming out of his breaks. And it's really special seeing him do his thing. Dude, it's so smooth. Like the effortlessness of it and like, yeah, it's fun to watch him just run. He's similar to, I mean, you played with Devontae. Devontae Smith. Devontae's, I was about to say, they're very similar in the way they move. Super smooth runner. But, you know, Jax is built a little more like a, by dang near like a running back when you see him. A little bit stocky. You got some girth to him. You got a little more, yeah, you got a little more girthiness to him. He seems like a great dude, man. And I love the combo you guys had. But I got to ask you about my guy, A.J. Barner in the tight end room, man. Northeast Ohio ball player, baby. I got a chance to say what's up to him at tight end you, man. And outside of like the on-field stuff and him really like being a big part of this offense in the run game and pass game, man. His energy, his swagger as a young cat in the league, man. I fucking love it, man. And I'm so happy for that dude. But you got to tell me, you got any good A.J. stories? I got some great A.J. stories. I don't know that I just got one. The problem is choosing one that he wouldn't. He'd be upset about me sharing. There you go. There you go. Well, what was your first impression? When your first impression coming in, I'm sure you knew him to an extent because he was playing in Seattle. But my first impression of him, I was like, wow, this is like a young Tyler Higby. Dude, Higgs is another guy, dude. Fucking love Higgs, man. Higgs is one of my all-time favorite human beings, teammates. Higby's the man. He's the man. I sit next to him in the huddle for eight years, like one of my favorite dudes. And I'm like, this is. This dude runs routes. He blocks. He does all the stuff, right? He does all the stuff. As you get to know him more, like he's got a very unique energy about him. And how, I mean, he's like, he's the dude that's like, he's the dude that's like barking in the team meetings. You know, he's got like, he's got something to say every time. Something to say. And, you know, 90% of the time, it's awesome. 10% of the time, you just kind of let it kind of just, you know, go over your head. It's like, okay, yeah. Oh, barnyard. That's a banger right there, man. I can't wait to see him in the Super Bowl, man. I know he's going to be turned. We had Julian Edelman on already. All right. He had one question for you. All right. Okay. He's having some problems with his French press. He doesn't know the right ratio. What do we got for him? He's hopeless. I tried. I've already tried with him. I can't. I've already tried. I walked him through it. The first time he showed me, he was making coffee. He's dang near drinking. his coffee with just grounds all i mean he's just like he's chewing his coffee basically he's got that turkish coffee that's got the grounds in it right yeah yeah he's exactly he's drinking his coffee with a spoon listen he's got you have to measure things you can't just like throw it together right some ratios you gotta have a feel you have a little bit of detail and for julian edelman for julian edelman the most one of the most detailed receivers to just like throw things together oh it broke my heart you wanted to see the intent and the detail he he turned that shit off man yeah yeah slow yourself down julian slow yourself down make yourself a nice cup of joe make it a nice little process it'll be good well time out hold on i want to get the inside scoop though for myself though what is the ratio what do what do you what is what is coop doing with this coffee most french presses the plunger won't go all the way to the right so like the plunger will leave well like have you made french press before yes yes i have okay so the french press won't plunge all the way to the bottom so if you want to start see where that spot is and just fill the grounds up to right where that is okay most of them most of them will be pretty that'll be pretty accurate so you want to start there and then you go there and you fill up the whole fill up your whole thing and you press it you know wait six wait six minutes or so make sure your grind's good you want a nice coarse grind with french press don't want to be a super you don't want to be you know what i mean if you get too too fine you're going to have the the if you over extract you're going to have the you have the grounds all coming up through that plunger you don't want to do that you don't want to make sense well hold on let's talk some more about this what is is french press the best method of brewing well what beans do you have right because there's actual people don't know this there's certain coffee beans that are made for espresso there's certain ones for drip there's certain beans with their oil contents of things that like where you getting your french press beans from my french press beans i'm i i honestly don't i'm getting from dodo is where i'm getting from there we go you know it i know if we were down in guatemala i know yeah yeah i don't know the guatemala guatemala's a good one i got we got some good ones from guatemala it would do a good french press i've done french press i've tried getting a mocha master i've got an aero press grinders i've tried the beans i don't i've not mastered the beans i'm not jacking the beanstalk yet are you gonna be in santa clara this week oh yeah we're up there baby come by perfect now can i show you the grinder i got this will show you how this will show you how novice i am i'm gonna show you the grinder i bought you're about to get this dude you're gonna see the attention to detail of a of a pro bowl center yeah this dude is this dude is there he he was the one that broke out the directions as a kid for the legos instead of just putting him yeah yeah i hope this dude he's so he's been waiting to ask you this forever yeah this is great i hope he just brings a hammer and it's like i used to use this i just i just hit the beans until they look good and i just dumped them into this coffee grinder i want it to be on record i fucking hate this goddamn industrial ass kylie from the stairs uh i need this is great you know it's about to be a fucking hammer i'm ready to save the day i need listen you guys you guys send me send me his address i'm gonna send him a whole setup it'll be it'll be so easy we're gonna send you two addresses because i need this too yeah you let me know send me the address i'm gonna send you it's it it's gonna do everything for you it's gonna you're gonna have you're gonna be able to measure out what you need it's gonna grind them how you're supposed to have them it's gonna do it all do gonna do it all right because this is people come over to our house all the time and they're like oh this is so good this is great like so much better than i make at my house it's like yeah because you're making it like those like those old men what you take this out of the wall what the fuck is that that's like an old dell computer dude what the fuck is that accidentally i bought an industrial coffee grinder on accident i thought i was getting a home that's crazy that looks like something goodness gracious if it's it's a gun safe that thing's crazy dude that's hilarious that's the biggest coffee grinder i've ever seen in my life when that thing showed up kylie was like what in the fuck are you doing the entire house just speaks in the morning coffee for the entire block that's right i was telling trav let me you got yes tell me where to send it i'm gonna send you a whole setup it's a whole coffee setup it's gonna look nice your wife's gonna love it's gonna step on the counter like oh this is like this is good this looks good perfect it's gonna make your coffee i got i got you set up have you always been a coffee guy did you when did you start getting on the coffee coffee's really it's a performance enhancer in the league like if you don't drink coffee you're you're you're doing yourself a disservice you're not you're not trying if you're not drinking some coffee you don't come in here if i don't see you walking around with a cup of coffee i'm like i'm questioning your commitment to what we're doing exactly when did you start it up though secretly my mom would buy me coffee like early middle middle school my dad hated no way my dad my dad he's been in the game for a minute i've been in the game i've been in the game for a while are you a sweetener or you like the taste of the beans you don't want to you don't want to mess with the beans blackity black black yes nice you got to get the taste you got to get the taste and go where are you guys are you i mean i'm black all the way i was about to say i'm black and for some reason i don't i don't really like espresso as much as i like actual coffee coffee i will do espresso like i'm i don't discriminate especially after like a nice dinner yeah all the espresso uh espresso martini hey now no but there's something about like a a coffee that i just really enjoyed yeah the taste it's a drip coffee it's a nice drip coffee yes dude i'm right there with you i'm i'm straight up i like the coffee straight and then i like uh i'll go back we we have like five we have like six flavors from a kansas city roasting uh company that i'll go and get i'll switch it up by the week i'll go and get like a dark like roast and then i'll go back and get like a nice hazelnut and it'll be like the taste of the beans will make it feel like i have like a sweetener in there or something but it like kind of changes the notes the the beans themselves have flavor oh yeah you know it you know it man the different the way they roast oh it's the fucking best man very interesting we got one last question for you all right a welcome to the super bowl moment you saying like well i can't believe that i'm playing the super bowl or like a the one where you get hit really hard and you're like oh this is a super bowl either one you want to go with yeah man i don't know i mean because my first super bowl i was on the sidelines you know i was i had a torn acl in 2018 against uh when julian edelman won super bowl mvp and um and so i think maybe my this is this would be my welcome to several moment standing on the sidelines and feeling the chaos on our sidelines when bill belichick decided we're going six one the entire game completely changed the you know completely change your game plan show something you've never done before and just show up in the super bowl saying this is what we're going to do and we're going to do it every single snap that was like oh this is this is super bowl like this is this is like the guys that can make the guy that can sit there and make that decision you know i mean it's insane to even think about belichick has been in the news a lot recently with everything and regardless any of that stuff that was one of the most masterful well-done coaching jobs to be honest with you like and it wasn't just six one he would also he was like waiting for the headset to turn off so that sean yeah check the play in right and then when it got checked he would move it to something else that game was wild to watch it was crazy he was doing you you've seen like the mic'd up where he was like hey where is he where is he he's watching sean it's like hey we're gonna show one thing mike clicks off at 15 seconds on the play clock and it's like boom okay now we're getting into what we're doing because we were so much at the line of scrimmage that year sean really calling things all the way up until the ball snapped essentially um yeah you know that was that was insane but i mean for bill to come out and we got for his plan being i'm just going to watch sean and we're gonna wait until he calls it and i'm gonna change it and we're just gonna do this thing like we're putting six guys in on the ball we're gonna knock out the mid-zone run game third down third down they still did the bill billichick you know they they had their stefan gilmore on brand cooks they doubled robert woods like they still did the same thing that they they always do but that was that was a baller move by uh by old uh old william billichick slick willie i lied i got one more question what do you think uh what does seattle need to do to win this game brother what are the keys to victory for you guys you think we've said this over and over again and it's it's it's cliche it's cliche you know wait what are you saying don't turn the ball over but i do think it comes down to us it's like a bs be be the people that we've been all the way through the same it's been our process and it's been like it's kind of a joke now i guess but you know mike gets up there and you for a team meeting and you want he wants to have some words for us and you want to be like man bring some like juice or something it's like no no no we're gonna go out there and be us like that's our thing that is what we do we go out there and we run through people's faces we're gonna run the ball we're gonna pass the ball our defense is gonna run and hit i just this is this is what we do and it's why we are in this position right now and so we're not going to change that we're going to bring and go out there and do the things that we've done to get us to this place and that's all you can do that's all you can do anyways so we talk about all we want but they are who we thought they were cool man you're the fucking man i can't wait to catch you out there and uh talk some french press dog but uh yeah wishing you the best man and go out there and get you another one brother thank you guys appreciate it thank you to our partner xfinity the olympic 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Rookie move. Not smart. Sorry to everyone who heard my ringtone the other day. Sorry about that. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate, North American Insurance Company, and affiliates in Northbrook, Illinois. All righty. Thank you to Cooper Cop. Once again, that was Bold Topics brought to you by Infinity. Man, he was awesome. Dude, he's the best. I can't wait to learn about coffee. I'm kind of, I feel a little bit more confident than you may, but at the same time, a French press is a different world. Yeah. Let's wrap up this episode with some Stamps of the Week. How about that, Trav? Hey, now. Stamps of the Week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Oh, man. Who doesn't like that? It's like a nice organized app for everything you need documented. All right. Who we got here? Stamp of the Week. Stamp of the Week. Stamp of the Week. What is this? Punch? Somebody punched their hair off? You didn't check out this clip? Watch this one. This guy was wearing the toupee. Uppercut so vicious it knocks his hair off. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. What do you ask for? How did he, did he ask for that? You just go into the barbershop and ask them if they got any toupee? I don't know where you get the toupee from or how it's adhered down or if the barbershop, I don't know a lot of those details. This second picture is crazy. I think he won the fight, though. Did he win? Yeah. I think they later threw it into the crowd. I think he won the fight. I mean, he was a good sport about it. He definitely was not too nervous or shy about it. He was living it up after that, kind of dancing around. Could you imagine catching that? Dude, no. I can't imagine getting a toupee either, but that shit's fucking hilarious. Make a nice coaster. Koozie. Yeah. Got some great nominees here. We have Philadelphia Phantoms. Kai and I went to the Unrivaled game in Philadelphia. And quick shout out to these guys. They broke a record for the most regular season pro women's basketball game attendance of all time. It was 21,400. It was packed, packed to the rafters. This Unrivaled thing is awesome. They do a great job. The production quality was fantastic. A lot of people were geared up for women's basketball. It was a really cool event. What else do we got? Rochester Nighthawks goalie, Rylan Hartley, for stamping Vancouver Warriors defensive Steph Charbonnet. Charbonnet? Charbonnet? Charbonnet. Let's take a look at this. Ooh. Indoor lacrosse. Dude. I think it's funny how big the goalies are in indoor lacrosse. They just got all this payback. Goal! Oh, no. Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's a defenseless receiver right there. That's what I'm talking about. That is what we call. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then the brawl afterwards. You. I want. Come here. I don't know what that guy's mad about. There's a fucking few brawls going on right here. What are they mad at the goal? I don't get why they're mad at the goalies. That was a great clean hit. That's all I saw. Are you allowed to do that in lacrosse? I mean, you're allowed to do it in lacrosse? Yeah. You can do this in lacrosse. Goal! Right to the top. He doesn't even hit him in the head. Dude, he didn't even hit him in the head. He hit some right in the chest. That's right in the chest. It is right in the chest. That is clean. I don't care what anybody says. Right over the chin. I love it. I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. You can't throw over the middle late. Dude, that's hilarious, man. Electric. I'm about to go to some indoor lacrosse if that's what they got going in indoor lacrosse. Fuck yeah. We also got Iowa lineman Jennings Dunker for bringing the mullet back to the senior bowl. Did you see this freaking beauty? Check out this beauty. Pull this picture up. Somebody's going to get a fucking stud. I don't know if he's any good at playing football, man, but this dude. I mean, just look at it. The hair, the mustache, the knee braces. He does look like a client's nail. That's hilarious. It's unbelievable. He's a majestic man right there. If you were going to design an offensive lineman in a laboratory, this is what he would look like. I mean, look at this guy. This is hilarious. How many beers a day do you think this guy drinks? I don't know. It's probably by the case. He doesn't even count it by the year. This used to give me an idea, though. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think they should. You know how they do best in show for, like, dogs where they, like, trot them out? They do it for, like, horses, too? Oh, shit. Are you all right, Tripp? We're good. You're good? Fuck. Fuck. Taylor's going to kill me. The best in show got me. Best in show for the dogs? I think. Best in show for the offensive linemen. Yeah. Just have a bunch of offensive linemen tritting their stuff out. The quarterbacks walking around on a leash, and they fucking put them up on the table. You got a guy measuring their ass and their belly. We can't be putting you guys on leashes, but I hear you. Fair enough. No leashes, but you get them up on the stage. You got a guy measuring. They're, like, getting their stance, and they, like, see if their ass is in the right spot. I don't know, man. I think this would be an electric competition. All I need is the prance. Just prance around. I want to see how this guy prances. He's a prancer. It's like the, what's the, at the county fair, they got, like, the, what is that called when you got, like, the best pig, the biggest pig at the show, like, prize pig right there, won the whole county fair? What are those called? Fuck it. I don't know. I get some help here. Somebody help Jason. You going to, like, a stock show is what you want to do? Yeah, but, like, the prize pig. What else? It's just. I don't know if this is a good idea. I don't know if this is going to end well for us. Did you guys know that he was also a Iowa meat day hay bale champion toss winner? This is all, I mean, between the names. Did we know? No, but does it say it in how he played? Look at him. Look at that guy. This should be at the combine. Dude, I'm telling you, we just need to create our own version of this. Offensive lineman. The new offensive line combine? Yes. No, it's not a combine. You're misjudging this. This is not a combine. Okay, what is it? Jason, explain. What is it? It's just an offensive line beauty pageant contest, but it's not. It's called something different. I don't know. This guy cut the arms and legs off his shirts and shorts and just said, fuck it. I'm going to go throw the fuck out of this hay. I've never seen offensive lineman, like, exude out of somebody's skin as much as I've seen. Even the fucking name. Jennings Dunker. Are you fucking kidding me? The fuck? We're moving that kid's draft stock way up. Just on this episode alone. I mean, it's just like. It's like a character in a movie. Like, this isn't a real, but it's real life. He's got the shoulder strap on to hold his AC joint in place. I mean, what the fuck are we looking? I really like this idea of an offensive lineman, like, just like big, essentially a beauty contest of offensive linemen. Yeah, I don't need to know how fast this guy runs. I want to see how smooth he runs. Just do a lap. Just do a lap. I want to see how smooth he walks in prances. That's what I want to see. What's the elegance of this guy? Shout out to Dunker. Bald guys. How about this nominee? Since Robert Sandler has joined the Titans, he has made five. Five additional coaching hires. The one caveat is that you must be bald. Look at this thing. He's got nothing but bone, guys. I mean, I've seen all the hair go in Kansas City's office. I mean, dude, guys are, yeah, guys are dropping like flies, man. It's a stressful job. I think it's stressful. It's just long hours, man. Long hours means you're not getting much sleep, which means, you know, and also this could be by choice. Guys could just be like, you know what? I don't want to fucking deal with this goddamn hair. I'll tell you what, I'd hate to be in the stands on a sunny day between all the helmets and bald heads. That light is going to be reflecting. You're going to be blinding. Fuck. Jesus Christ. Ah, damn. When you're putting Vaseline baby oil on this shit? Jesus. All right. I'm giving my stamp of the week to Dunker just because I don't even, I mean, how do you not give it to just such a beauty? Yeah. I'll give it to my guy that fucking lost his toupee, Gerald Miller, still won the fight, baby. My boy, Gerald. How do we know he won the fight? I feel like you're just randomly saying that there's been nothing. He did win. He did win. He did win. Confirmed. And before we get out of stamp of the week, we have an honorable stamp of the week. We talked about this a little bit earlier. Jason, you want to do the honors? We love the kids here at a new Heights. That's right. We're always thinking about how we can take this show to new Heights. We decided to bring on somebody who had one of the greatest viral moments of all time. After the Eagles were eliminated this year in the playoffs, 92% is please welcome Sam Salvo. Let's take a look at this clip. For those of you that aren't aware, this kid has a future in the making. He, I mean, he's going to be on ESPN one day. He's got his own show. Who even thinks of this stuff? Yes. This was a huge letdown. This was my Christmas present and I got a loss. Yeah, probably feeling a two of two things. Hey, I want AJ Brown packing his bag. I love you, AJ, but like, you can't make those drops in that game. And I also want Kevin Patel flipping burgers at like the local McDonald's or something. I don't care why do you say that whenever he's an offensive coordinator, it's like, he's flipping burgers. One side he's cooking one half. He's cooking and the other half is completely raw. I just amazing comments from a child kids in Philadelphia. Just come out sounding like GMs. Do they just, it's part of how they're born. It's just, it's something. Like the water when they grow, when they they're born, that as soon as they hit age, like eight, they know how to talk like adults pack your bags is something they find out when they're like three years old. Like that's what you just tell Eagles players when they, when they don't play their best. Yeah. Mom has been listening to WIP sports take the womb the whole time. So they just come out with hot takes and shitting on people. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's ingrained. It's ingrained in Philadelphia for sure. It reminds me of a gentleman named Patrick bacon. Oh dude. That is he's remarkably like maturely grown up in the way he's talking, which is what makes the whole thing. It's so fun. I want AJ Brown packing his bags. I want, I want to tell you how I feel about the birds right now. Two things. I'm just like, what? I got a feeling this kid's dad has been regurgitating that he's regurgitating a lot of things. He's been hearing frustrations from his dad. His dad on the drive into school every morning for the last six months, this fucking guy. Well, you're in luck. 92% is because we got Sam coming on the show. That's right. Sam Salvo. That is who the child is in that video. And we're going to get his take on the new Eagles office coordinator, higher Sean Mannion. We felt like, let's see what his opinion is on this. Yeah. Let's see how I see if he's flipping burgers to Sam. Welcome to the show. Hey, what's up? Flipping patties. Like the Eagles are flipping. We're flipping offensive coordinators, man. Jesus. He's got this spatula for a microphone. All right. He's not holding back. Sam, I got to know what, what were your impressions of your viral moment of your video? What did you think? And what, what did everybody tell you at school? Um, kids at school went crazy. Like, cause I don't even know. Like they just came up for no fucking reason. I don't even know, man. Oh my gosh. All right. I got to know. Obviously you weren't a big fan of Sam. You weren't a big fan of Kevin Petullo. What do you think of the Sean Mannion hire? Um, I hope that he can work with Jalen better than Petullo did, because I think that, um, I think that if he could work with Jordan love and make him a top tier passer in the NFL, I think that maybe he could work with Jalen better than Petullo. Oh my gosh. I love this. And he's done his research, man. It's all right. What is, what are we thinking about AJ? Are we still out on AJ? I mean, you were, you were pretty upset after the game. Yeah, I was very upset. Like sometimes a couple of weeks, what are we thinking about AJ Brown for next year? I'm not still a hundred percent sure. I think that we could definitely build an offense around Schmitty, but I think that having someone that we can like, like sometimes rely on in some big situations to just throw to, I think that we should still have him on the team. I love that. He's a good player. Don't don't. I know he had a rough go. I know he's had some frustrations. Hopefully that can be fixed with some new, uh, plays and offense. By the way, what do you, what do you want the Eagles to run this year? What formations and schemes? I want them to run. Um, I want them to run it more to their strong side of their offensive line. Cause like really it was this year, it was more like, like up the middle runs and really with, um, Kellen Moore, we didn't see that as much. And that's when Saquon had like one of the best years of all time. It's not the best rushing year of all time. So honestly, I think that I would like if we could run more outside plays. And I think that if we could get Jalen a little bit more, um, like seeing the defense better. I'm like recognizing sometimes like, because like on the last play of the game, it seemed like everyone was going to blitz. I was there. And like, it seemed like everyone's going to come in like a house called blitz. I mean, if it was a house called blitz, the Goddard play would have worked, but they backed up into the zone and they, uh, batted it down. So man, you're out here watching Phil, dude. I love the commitment to the spatula. You're still talking into it. Like it's a microphone. Have you ever actually flipped the burger? Actually, I did last night. Actually, yeah, there we go, baby. He's cooking. He's cooking. You get that thing. Nice and cooked. It was well done. Was it medium? Was there, was it, was one side raw medium, medium, nice, nice, medium burger. I keep it juicy and cooked, baby. I like it. I like it, man. Well, I think it goes without saying, if football doesn't work out, you got a future in commentating, man. You are natural at this. Yeah. You got the, an analyst work done really well outside zone. The Eagles are going to run a lot, run a lot more outside zone. That's what Sean Mannion and the McVay system is rooted in. Right. Outside zone. Boo. They'll still go down the middle, but yeah, you're on top of it. I love it. Well educated, good takes with some flavor to it. I love it, man. That's typical Philadelphia. Do you want, do you listen to WIP? Uh, sometimes like when I'm in my grandpa's car. Yeah, I know. There it goes. There it goes. I love it. He's a natural. He's a natural. WIP, man. Get a, get them a segment this year, man. Once a week, see it and see how the new OC is doing. Who's your favorite player on the, on the verge right now? Who do you like? Um, that's a tough question because I really like Cooper Dijon. Coop. Yup. Coop's got the juice. I probably gotta go with Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter, JC, baby. That's a bad man in the middle of that defense. That's a big old sumbuck right there, man. You ever seen him in person, dude? Nah. I wish. You don't want to. Yeah. You walk up on the guy that fucking big. Oh yeah, I did. He'd be like twice my size. How much of what you were, what you were saying after the game is stuff that your dad's been yelling at you furiously for the past six months. Absolutely nothing. Actually, I came up with pretty much every single word except, except the part that I want. AJ Brown packing his bags. Cause I wasn't sure a hundred percent about that, but I'm a hundred percent. I still want Patulo flipping burgers. No questions asked. He's sticking to it. He's sticking to it. I love it. Man, man. Appreciate you, Sam dog. Thank you for the, thank you for the bit that you had on the, on the Philly news. And also, man, thank you for jumping on dog. We'll have to circle back. We got to get you back. Yeah. We're going to need repetitive updates. How do you feel about that, Sam? That'd be amazing. You guys are like my idols. Who's going to win the Superbowl? Patriots all the way. Yeah. I think that even though Drake may, hasn't like played his best ball during the playoffs. I think that he's going to come up huge in this game. Okay. All right. I like his hot takes. He's very direct. He's very direct. The man knows what he wants. Sam, you, before we get out of here, you want to give anybody a shout out? Anybody in school? Any of the homies? Oh yeah. Yeah. First thing. Can I shout out all my friends at table? See, it was second table. And can I also shout out my friend, Derek Sanders, Derek Sanders, shout out to DC. There he is. Yes. There you go. My bad. What do you shout out? Derek Sanders. Is he just your friend? He's my friend. And also, uh, one more thing to say, um, we got merch now, so buy some merch. Um, there we go. He's a natural. Get the plug in. He's a natural. Well done, brother. You killed it. We'll have to follow up and catch it next year and see how the birds are doing, man. Oh, absolutely, man. All right, dog. Enjoy the man, brother. Before you go, is Paul there? My dad. Yeah. Hey dad. One sec. Sorry. My dad's, he's a little, - He was slow. - He's slow? here you go what's up boys what's up paul what's going on big guy has this kid always been like this this kid's been wild since he came out of his mom's room bro this kid's crazy we play in this touch football league down in uh villanova and he coaches the team it's like all the kids and i go in to play quarterback because whatever and he's screaming from the sideline you're the biggest bum quarterback in this league i'm like man you're supposed to be you're supposed to be coaching me you're the fifth string quarterback on this team i'm like bro don't tell me how bad i am he gets a little nervous but he when you let him go he he's a funny cat oh you can tell man he's a freaking firecracker man i love it well done i'm sure that's a handful to deal with but it's also a lot of fun i'm sure so way to go dad that's awesome hell yeah i appreciate it boys yeah it's fun but you know what that'll put him in a headlock and he'll be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god i'm gonna be dropping to the ground in three seconds i really appreciate you guys uh having him on and uh it was a blast for him he's been looking forward to he looks up to you guys i don't know why but he does for some reason i think travis scott taylor he's like oh that's my guy jason he's got a good beard i guess i love it man well well done man i appreciate it appreciate you big guy appreciate you guys thank you so much that's sam salvo and his father paul i still think that sam's probably repeating a lot of those things that paul's saying but either way that kid is something else man you can tell paul you can tell where his personality exactly exactly dude that old family electric absolutely all right that wraps up stamp of the week brought to you by adobe acrobat any more final thoughts before we close this thing out trap super bowl 60 we're going to be out there a lot of things happening this week i think we've kind of already talked about it obviously he was huge variable fans i would drake mays got his opportunity to you know implement his self into you know super bowl stardom and i just think it's going to be a great game because the julian came on here talked about you know how the the patriots and their their coaching staff and they just have an ability to to kind of control the pace of every game that they're in and then make the right decisions and the big plays when the when they need to be made on the offensive side and uh that defense is good man and then on top of that you got seattle who's going to be they got the energy they got the excitement they got they got the the big play ability you know they got the the ability to grind it out in the in the run game it's just uh it's it's going to be a fucking fun matchup man that defense flies around and i'm sure they'll make uh drake mays job a little bit harder than it's been and um i'm excited for a fucking great game but i do think that uh seattle's got what it takes to kind of come out on top on this one i can't say i'm i'm not here rude for sam darrow man i just i love that story i love that story i love that story i love that i love who he is as a dude how he stayed true to him to the process and himself and his confidence and right now he's uh he's playing better than he's played all uh all career could not agree more man well said i'm pretty much right there with you on everything um i do gotta say uh i will be out there at the probe i guess this is coming out wednesday so i'm going to be at the pro bowl beforehand it is wild how this whole week has turned it not even just the super bowl like there's all these events out there it's like truly a week of almost like a convention for the nfl like there's nfl honors like all of it so yeah there's new heights fucking barcade party come on hey either way enjoy the super bowl 92 percenters that wraps up this episode of new heights thank you to our guest cooper cub julian edelman and of course sam salvo the young up-and-coming journalist make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on youtube and follow the new heights show on wondery app or wherever you get your podcast you can listen to episodes of new heights ad free right now but join the wondery plus in the wondery app or on apple podcast once again new heights a wondery show brought to you by intuit turbo tax don't forget to do your taxes ladies and gentlemen follow the show on all social media at new heights show with one s and thanks to all our 92 percenters this new heights production team especially and um everybody go enjoy some super bowl sunday one of the best days of the year sam's gonna be the king of table c yeah the table table c boys are gonna love that you have to fucking give them a chance to shout out the boys yeah the table c boys him and derrick sanders are just gonna run the third grade did you guys see me did you guys see me they're getting kicked out of class guarantee they're gonna their swag their confidence is gonna be way too high they're gonna think they're fucking way too cool man there is something electric about having kids on mr fasky you're gonna be flipping burgers do you know you're talking to i'm trash kelsey's best friend you fucking talking to me i dig it though i dig the kids vibe i don't know what it is about him and i just like the confidence to sam's teachers we apologize immensely yeah no doubt he's not walking in normal on thursday we're so sorry we're sorry but just put them straight to fucking in school detention actually don't even give them a chance to put it right against the nose against the wall speaking of kids do you guys hear benny just screaming right now is that audible yeah should i try and it makes the turbo tax ad read better i think *laughs*