Julian Dorey UNLOADS on Clancy Backlash, CBS Coverup & 9/11

What's up everybody and welcome back to another episode of the Joy and Dory podcast. I am Jolene Dory and I'm Joey Dief. How you done? How you done? Dief, another week in America and another week of them trying to knock the black man down. See this this morning? Oh, I've seen this. Is it unbelievable, bro? We've gone full BLM boomerang here. Yeah, and LGBTQIA something something like that. We'll be talking about that later, but it was revealed in unintentionally comedic fashion that the loan holdout juror in the Clancy trial is an African-American gentleman who apparently was bullied by the 11th other jurors. So shout out to that guy. We were going to go through all that later today. What I will say before that is I do believe the Clancy case is a prime example of something that this is why we can't have nice things. It is clearly something that we're forced to talk about because so many fucking people are talking about it, but it is being sent into the ethersphere across the spectrum to be able to get us all just focus on this one thing while God knows what happens behind the scenes. We've already pointed out some of those things that are clearly happening behind the scenes, but you got to stay awake on these kinds of things and that is why we are not going to lead off the show with this today. We will get to that later in the show and go bar by bar on a lot of different evidence and things that came out this week because it has been frankly a very vocal minority that has been representing some very cringe opinions on this case. The majority of people are looking at this with common sense. They're just getting a little less attention because you can't even believe some of the takes you do here that do exist. So we will talk about that. I know there's at least a handful out of you out there that I do think have a very cold take on that case. Most of the people hitting me up this week were saying thank you for speaking up on this because I really felt like I was speaking common sense, but we're going to make sure we leave some notes on cross or eyes undotted and just go through the rest of it. But to lead off it is as we are recording this, Joey Deef at 3.30 on a Friday afternoon. It is 25 years since 9/11. And 9/11 is one of these things obviously that is always in the background of everything we talk about because modern history was completely shaped by that day. There is it before and there is an after. It is its own generational pearl harbor, if you will, with reverberating effects. And so we were able to drop a really special podcast earlier today with David Farugio and Matt Boehchee. David's been on the show before. A great guy, a good friend of mine. Hosts an amazing podcast called Dead Talks, which is really like the number one understanding death and dealing with grief podcasts in the world and he finds a way also to make it light and funny while also serious. So I think he does a great job with that. Matt I had never spoken with before, but the two of them David and Matt both lost their fathers in the towers that day. And it really drives it home with the circle of life when you're sitting here 25 years later and two guys who were young at the time, 12 and 9 respectively, are now looking upon their lives that have been unfortunately lived for the majority of it without their fathers. And it just reminds you of what the cost of that day was. And obviously where we record here in Hoboken, we are right on the Hudson River directly across from where those towers once stood and where Freedom Tower now stands. And every day in some way, there's always some sort of reminder to me because it still blows my mind that there were two towers standing there that no longer are. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. That said, 25 years later, we still don't have answers on this. People know it was a terrorist attack. They know that, you know, I mean, people even argue about some things that I would not argue with, we have plenty of evidence that there were planes that actually did goes into those buildings and everything. But the reverberating effects of what happened afterwards lead to suspicion everywhere. The cover up that has occurred from our own government, not even just upon us, all the people, but upon the families of all the victims is absurd. You know, we're finally getting a hearing in a month or two with relation to the case against Saudi Arabia. Don't hold your breath on that. They keep delaying that over and over again over the past 25 years to even get to that point. And multiple governments, including our own around the world, whether it's the Saudis, the Israelis, us, maybe some others are missing, seem to have something to do with at least four knowledge of these attacks. And no one has ever paid the price for that to say nothing of the fact that our own 9/11 commission report that was pun intended commissioned by our government was one of the biggest shams ever done. Look, no farther than the fact that the first then the first guy that they initially wanted to head that commission. I believe was Henry Kissinger. You can check that deep. It's been a while. But like, I mean, just file that under you can't make this shit up. So it does make me sad that something like that is still in a window of time. The way Brett Weinstein would say it. It's in a window of time to wear, you know, a lot to talk about some things or how dare you ask a question about what this was. And I think what that unfortunately does is it removes the gravity of what the day itself was. And all the other things we did see from that that were horrific, but also on the other side of that heroic. And I'm going to talk about that in a minute, what I what I mean by that. But I am referring to some of the people that day who did amazing things trying to try to and in many cases successfully saving some of their fellow human beings. But that day, as I've said on a lot of podcasts over the years is a is a really it's what it's one of the wildest days in my life for sure. Maybe like the key seminal moment for me because I was eight years old was in the beginning of third grade. And it is the first day that I can remember every single part of the day shot for shot bar for bar word for word, right? Like I can remember some things when I was seven, six, five, four. I don't think I can really remember anything before that. But always in like a little bits and pieces, you know, this image that scene, this thing that happened. But as far as like the full day from driving to school that day to come at home at night and see in the news and remembering the people around me, like my parents and the horrified looks on their faces and taking into account even if I couldn't fully understand it. I was able I was old enough to be able to understand the gravity of like this is really fucking bad and historically in many ways unprecedented. You know, it's it is etched in my memory forever and and I did find like every year I feel the gravity of that, but something about it being 25 years, which is now officially for sure one full generational turn. The longest you usually think of a generation would be about 25 years. The fourth turning says 21 and a half to 25. So we have now reached one full generational turn to the point that, you know, we have someone on our team who wasn't even born the day that 9/11 happened. I mean, that's that's kind of crazy to me because it is now starting to etch its way deeper and deeper into history and, you know, that that morning when the towers had been hit, both of them had been hit one at 846 and then later the south tower was hit at 903. So it was only about 17 minutes between them. Somewhere in the area of like 945, my teacher gathered our class together. I went to a little friend school so I didn't have like a big class. It was probably like 20 kids in the class and, you know, shout out to teacher Karen. It's what they call them at friend schools. You had to say like teacher and then their name. She did such a good job of remembering that she was talking to a bunch of like 7 and 8 year olds and not, you know, 17, 18 year olds and getting across that something very serious had happened without showing it on any TV or anything like that. That is not where I saw the images. They didn't like roll in the TVs they used to have in in classes and show us, but she described detail by detail the broad strokes of what we knew at that point, which was that America clearly had been attacked and we didn't know much beyond that, but she was able to get the gravity across and do it in a really none. I don't know. PTSD laid in way for like a young mind. Like I didn't walk out of there. I walked out there understanding that something horrible had happened, but I didn't walk out of there. I shook out of my mind like someone just showed me a snuff film or something. You know what I mean? Like there's a way to deliver that news and and I just I just remember how gentle she was with that and I did stay in school the rest of the day, but going to school in South Jersey. It's not right next to New York, but there's plenty of people who actually did commute to New York more than you would think. And we did lose a couple people from my town. One was from the edge of my town. So he was technically in the other town, but like it was very well known in my town. Nick Brandon Marte and oh my god, that's horrible. Why is the second guy's name escaping me? Can you type in Manchuwood, New Jersey 9/11? I think his last name starts within our All right, I want to make sure I get that right. But you know, two guys did unfortunately die. And throughout that day, I remember being in the hallways and there were teachers who had family members, including parents who lived right there in Southern Manhattan. And they were in tears on the phone, checking in with their family. None of them did lose their family as it would turn out. But it was very scary because people thought the world was ending. Like, people in New York especially, I should say, really thought the world was ending. When those buildings came down, you talked to many of the people that were there. It was, they thought the city blew up. You know, you just had, you just had smoke at a level. But I don't even know if you want to call it smoke. You had debris at a level, spreading that, you know, I don't even know what to compare it to. 'Cause these buildings were so large, they were 110 stories of peace. And obviously people got a lot of questions about how that came down and that's part of the unanswered part here and I think that was very reasonable. But at the time, people were just looking to survive there. And you hear so many stories of people who literally just walked north. Like they walked north on the Seven Mile Island and walked somewhere into Westchester County until they couldn't walk anymore, regardless whether they lived there or not. You hear the stories like the very famous documentary on Vice that I've cited so many times before about the captains of the ferry boats, including the ones here, actually, basically the ones here in Hoboken, especially, which suddenly went into gear. And we're just, just like they do today, when they take people in every day to transport them in there for work, they start to go in and to high gear, getting to the edge of Manhattan and pulling people out and getting them back over to the New Jersey side, you know, just kind of amazing stuff like that. But I guess I'm kind of going into the heroes part right here. There were, there were so many amazing people at that day, who just, I don't even know if they had time to take a deep breath, probably didn't, you know, and just went into mode. And there's the stories we know and the many stories that we don't. Well, I was talking with David and Matt. I was thinking about all those floors that their fathers were on. You know, the floors above the impact zone, in this case in the North Tower, where no one survived. Not one person got out of there as it would turn out. And so we really don't know much that happened on those floors at the time. There's a few phone calls that got out that described a couple things. Like someone said, they were trying to get to the roof, things like that, little bits and pieces. But we don't know what people were saying and how they were trying to help each other. And one of the things I looked at, just from like a, you know, from what we could see is you remember all the people who were in the windows. You know, some of whom wave in a towel, trying to, trying to signal any kind of help that could have gotten there, laying out in the windows, trying to stay away from the smoke. It's also probably, I forget what they estimated the temperatures were in there, but they were very high. I mean, it was like unsurvivable. And, you know, not small, but very significant heroic thing is that you probably have to consider there were a bunch of people, behind them, who offered the spots on the windows and said, no, you guys go lay there. So that you have a shot to survive. And then they just, you know, sat there and died. And that's like this amazing thing about humanity. And in times like that, where there's people who lay down their life, no questions asked. For other people. And then you have the stories that we do fully know. You know, the Wells Crow, their one, is a very famous one that ESPN has done an amazing job for years telling Wells was a great lacrosse player. In college, whose dad had always given him a red bandana. And so when the towers got hit, he went into mode. He took the red bandana out of his pocket. And he started going through the stairwells and rescuing people. And I think he rescued something like 18 people who all verified that the man in the red bandana came and got them and got them out of the building. You know, there's some famous pictures from the stairwell where you see firemen in what I would describe as Michael Jordan game mode, just like let's fucking go, staring solemnly but seriously up at the impossible battle in front of them. And when you look at many of these pictures, chances are one out of two. I'm totally guesstimating right here, but plenty of these cases have been reported. They never made it up. You know, they went up and they were still up there when the towers came down. There's a famous image of one of the fire companies taken. It's taken from like a building or some sort of bridge where it shows a fire truck driving towards the Manhattan Skyline. And the towers are in the distance burning. And it's driving there probably has, I don't know, a mile or two to go to get there. And, you know, you can see that I forget the-- - I mean, this one, the Brooklyn Bridge. - That one. - I don't know if it's that one. Actually, it might be, but if this is the one, I hope I'm thinking of the right one, but you can see this fire company on the Brooklyn Bridge, which, deep, what's that? About a mile-ish from the towers? - Yeah, right, yeah. - The right you get off it, you're down there. - Right, so they're coming on to it right there. So maybe they're a mile and a half at that point. And they were able to determine if this is the correct picture I'm thinking of and I believe it is. They were able to determine that this was a certain numbered fire company where I believe no one got out. All those guys, both buildings are already on fire. So this is some time around, it has to be after 903 AM. Tower two came down at 9.59. Tower one came down and I believe 10.28. And so within the next hour, all the guys there who are driving right into the fire were gone. And it's horrible for the families and a really dark kind of picture to look at, but it also highlights that this is what they trained to do and they didn't ask any questions. They went in there and they did it. And another great story is another one of, I've told a lot of times over the years. John O'Neal, John O'Neal was the head of the New York FBI's counterterrorism desk. And he was a controversial guy because he was one of those dudes that people who loved him or they hated him. And even when you talk to guys at the FBI, they'll I'll tell you that. They'll be like, oh, this guy loved him. Like I hated him, et cetera, et cetera. And he later was the subject of a book called The Looming Tower, which also became a miniseries in 2017 with Jeff Daniels, where it charted his story in the build up to 9/11 because John O'Neal was pounding the table for many years that these towers were going to be attacked. And he knew Ben Laden was a problem. Regardless of all the other questions we have around the attack and people involved, like just looking at Ben Laden on his own as well, and some of the things you wanted to do. He knew that he was a big problem. And moral of the story is a lot of people didn't listen. And the CIA, in particularly, couldn't stand John O'Neal. He was really the crux of the whole post 9/11 report that we do know is true, which is that CIA and FBI had like Chinese walls from each other, particularly CIA towards FBI, when they should have been working together in sharing intelligence, CIA would keep intelligence away. And a lot of that had to do with the guy Michael Shore, among other people, at CIA's Alec Station, Ben Laden desk, did not like John O'Neal. And so they wanted him to fuck off. And so they told the FBI to fuck off. And long story short, John O'Neal, shortly before 9/11, there was a whole controversial thing where, you know, he left behind some classified documents somewhere by accident. FBI got wind of it. They investigated it. And they found it as a good excuse to be able to say, John, you've been here, whatever it was, 25 years. Time to retire. So he was kind of forced into retirement from the FBI in August 2001. And three weeks before 9/11, he took a job as the head of security for the World Trade Center, which is filed under the sheet he can't possibly make up file for sure. And on 9/11, the towers were hit. And he went into mode. And he was, as the head of security of those buildings, saving people in the very buildings that he was warning were going to be targeted and died when they came down. So you see things like that. That's a really dystopian kind of end right there. But the guy was able to be at the scene and go into mode and do his best and succeed, by the way, in limiting whatever damage he could from a lives loss perspective. So I could go on and on and on with stories of people. And really, there's been some great documentaries made. But more documentaries should be made if we're going to make a lot of documentaries to question the event, which I'm all for, should also make a lot of stories to talk about the people who had nothing to do with what happened that day and just went into mode to help other people. So there was a silver lining to come on that day in that way. Obviously, it was one of the worst days ever to be very clear. But the other silver lining was that another thing we've talked about is done. September 12, 2001 was the most united the country in my lifetime that I can remember has ever fucking been. And I think that often gets forgotten is 8, 9, 10 months. before was had been what was at the time the most contentious presidential election. And maybe ever, you know, went to court as to who won between Bush and Gore. And yet on September 12th, that was old news, no one even remembered that. People came together around a common cause. And then unfortunately, like what seems to always happen is corrupt parts of the government saw an opportunity to not let a good crisis go to waste and proceeded to use that day as a stepping stone to make every possible wrong foreign policy and constitutional decision known to man on behalf of the American people. And that's obviously a whole nother thing and a topic that continues to have effects today that we have to deal with. So that part sucks. But when we're sitting here 25 years later without answers and without justice from allies like the Saudis, the Israelis, from our own like people in the US government who either blatantly failed. I hope blatantly failed and didn't blatantly know, you know, when you see nothing to come out of that, very little to come out of that at this point and things shoved under the rug, it is it's awful. It's inexcusable. It's awful. And for the family's themselves, including the woman today who gave a great statement at the 9/11 memorial where she savaged the Saudis and also looked right at JD Vance and said take this back to Trump and savage the current government and all the governments that have come since 2001 over this, like that shouldn't be the case. A widow 25 years later should not have to stand there and do that. But I forget what her name was, sorry, but shout out to that widow because she did a great job with that. And in another thing of like file this under shit, you can't possibly make up. You know, we've even seen in 2026 all these years later emails from Jeffrey Epstein where he's directly involved in the case itself. A really dark one involving Gilan Maxwell talking to Ed Epstein, the reporter and a relation about the quote unquote secret shadow commission being formed for 9/11, which I'll even say this you really, really hope it's a sick dark joke made by someone who is obviously a sick dark rapist and you know, traffickers by person, all these horrible things that Gilan Maxwell was, but it's that's probably wishful thinking. There's something there that's quite odd and worth another look, if you will. There's also, as we saw, a tremendous number of files missing from 1991 to 2001 from the Epstein files that are a part of those extra roughly 3 million files that have still not been released despite the fact that they are legally required to release them. That's, that's kind of interesting, right, Joey Dief? I'd say so. I'd say that's pretty interesting. And you know, with a little icing on the cake, if you will, there's emails in 2017, it's 2016 or 2017, Dief can check me on that. Where Jeffrey Epstein is directly coordinating with people involved in the litigation with the Saudi government as it pertains to the 9/11 victims where he is introducing Jeffrey Epstein, not a lawyer, by the way, introducing legal ideas to be able to delay the hearings once again. So to put that back in English, he is working against the 9/11 victims families. I remind you, this is a guy who not only spied via trafficking rings and arms deals and all kinds of other shit, but this is also a guy who has a picture had a picture in his Manhattan townhouse where he resides right next to Howard Lutnik, current commerce secretary in the United States. It's neither here nor there, but he had a picture in that townhouse of George Bush behaving like an infant on the floor of the Oval Office with two paper airplanes and two jenga towers on the floor. So I don't know, pure spec, but that's, that's kind of interesting. So I think today I, I feel a lot of things I, I feel a little bit of circle life for my own life and seeing how everything's developed since then. I feel reverence for the people who passed away that day and who still don't have justice and respect for desolumness of that day. And I feel some anger and disgust at the fact that we're not getting justice and, and cynically, I don't know that we ever will help them wrong, but don't know that we ever will. Yeah. Interesting enough, when I, when you were speaking on that, I was looking at this picture. So you were right. It was that, it was that ladder company turns out this is the ladder company that Pete Davidson's dad passed on. No shit. So the original photographer replied to this reddit post. And what's the number up there, deep, the ladder company? It was ladder company 118 out of Brooklyn Heights. Out of Brooklyn Heights. Yeah. Pretty crazy. All of them. Of their firefighters died in the collapse and they were found together in the stairwell like a team. That's crazy. Yeah. It says Pete Davidson's grandma has the photo hanging in her living room as seen as in the documentaries. Ooh. It's wild. Yeah. To this day of the, of the 2900. I want to get this number right because I don't want to include the, the hijackers in this. So it's, I guess it'd be 2958, nine hijackers who died that day because I think it's 2977 total. So it's 2977 who died that if you, if you include the 19 hijackers, then it's 2996, so we're going to say 2977 out of the 2977 round 1,650 have been medically identified. There are 1,300 people who to this day have never been medically identified, which is just unfortunately, it's not surprising when you see the destructive, complete destructive nature of what happened there. But that is, that is really sad to say the least. So I did want to make sure like, you know, a part of my podcast that I think is interesting is I've been doing this six and a half years. And as I'm doing things, the world keeps moving and things happen around you and there's moments in time that you capture. And it kind of turns like, I won't even speak for you guys at all. I'm just speaking from my perspective here, like looking at my life. The podcast I get to do turns into a strange documentary of like my life and what was going on at a time. And then I can kind of remember what I was thinking and seeing. So this morning I was like, I think it would be pretty interesting if I lived to 50 or 60 or 70 or whatever to look back and, you know, see the kind of thing that I was thinking and reflecting on and wondering at 25 years out from 9/11 and see where we're at at that point as a world to say nothing and 9/11 altogether. So I don't know. That's stored and saved forever. But as always, it's fuck Leon Black today, yesterday and every day. And you know, we did go after our friend Leon last week, strictly with pure evidence, by the way, your honor if you're watching in the future. But even more came out this week after his story got shoved under the rug, no one's talking about it. Absolutely no one talking about Leon Black, suing, suing Congress and refusing to testify about his very good dear friend. So much so you would almost think that they were lovers, pure spec there, Jeffery Epstein. You know, I find that pretty interesting while we're so busy talking about Lucy Clancy. Hmm. You find that interesting, Dave? Yeah. It works out nicely. I think it does work out nicely. There's something that happened in 2023. Yeah. Exactly. It works out really nicely. But I have, I have a bunch of links there, Dave, just a some stuff we got to go through, but the one that's greened with, with widen. So as you well know, Larry Ellison, who were huge fans of your Joey Deef, or just love our overlord is buying up all of our media and, you know, using all of his tech to support an AI surveillance state all while generously donating so much of his money to the IDF who, Joey Deef, apparently, they're a part of our military too, as this is what they're telling me. So they're saying that's nice of it. It's a patriotic thing of you to do, Larry, who was born in the United States, by the way. But on August 4th, you, and this is from Anonymous on Twitter, which actually, I should have checked this, Dave. I want to make sure because this is a real report and everything here. But are those, that's, is that the actual same anonymous or is this like a cop? I think this is a copycat account, right? I just want to be clear on that, so I'm not giving false attribution. Yeah. Spooky connections. I don't know if they're the actual anonymous. Okay. Okay. But the report, like it's a retweet of an actual report with everything, right? So that part, obviously, we went through and that's what's most important here. I just want to make sure I'm given tweet attribution correctly. But the account is @opdetheaters and they call themselves anonymous like the hacking group does. It says on August 4th, U.S. Senator Whitenrich. released a Congressional report that the Ellison family takeover of CBS news, aided in suppressing a 60-minute investigative broadcast regarding major banks, ignoring compliance red flags for Leon Black's payments to Jeffrey Epstein is specifically out of all the many payments and strange red flags that were popping up everywhere. This report specifically centered on the ones involving Leon Black, Leon Black, the founder of Apollo Global, which K-K-R, Apollo Global, easily two of the most respected or well-known I should suspect is the wrong word, well-known private equity companies in the country that were at the forefront of creating that whole industry. But let's pull up the, did I put the article there as well? I think I forgot to, I had that link on that. Maybe Dave can find out while I'm talking about this. That's my bed. I had the link for the article because that was just a tweet with the initial screenshot. But Barry Weiss, who we've talked about a lot, was put in charge at CBS by Larry Ellison when he took over, and Dave's got it up here, so I'll give it a second. When he took over CBS as a result of one of his many mergers and acquisitions where he's buying up media, including TikTok, and she is, by her own admission in the past, her main political thing is Israel. That's what she cares about. That is what she will tailor everything she ever does to. She will rot or die with that. Despite the fact that she is also an American, so that's kind of interesting. And so since she has gotten to CBS, there have been many reports, so many that it is impossible to ignore and say they're all false. In fact, most of them are quite literally verifiably true. There have been many reports of her seeming to, I don't know, is cover up a strong word here? Yes. Cover up, suppress. Okay. So it's appropriate. Yeah. Exactly. Let's say sensor. Sensor is pretty good. Sensor feels very media. That's a good addition actually. Yeah. So she has censored a lot of reports that her reporters have gone out and done, and these stories almost always happen to be censored around the subject matters of Israel and Epstein do with that what you will. So now Ron Wyden comes out with this report and Dave has it up now. So Ellison takeover of CBS unquestionably aided White House Epstein cover up. Now to be clear, this is a Democratic Senator, the administration is Republican. So of course, he is coming at them. But I think Ron has some pretty good evidence here. So Senator Ron Wyden on Tuesday charged that the takeover of CBS by David Ellison, the son of right wing billionaire Larry Ellison, helped present Donald Trump's White House cover up information about the late billionaire sex fender Jeffery Epstein. Wyden claims that CBS came on the same day. His office released claims, Wyden's claims about CBS came on the same day as office released a report alleging the top wall street banks looked the other way and allowed Epstein to have ready access to the mountains of cash used lower harbor and transport his victims. By the way. As far back as even 2022, and I think before that, but in my head, I can remember 2022. The Wall Street Journal was reporting on all this as it pertains to, oh, I don't know JP Morgan and high place people there and money slushing through there that was directly attributable to Epstein himself. There's been a lot of questions. Henry Abbots raised it with Deutsche Bank and all kinds of issues there. So like this is a pervasive problem across various institutions that were involved with very dark money, if you will. In social media posts, Wyden revealed that he was interviewed several months ago by former 60 minutes, Correspondence Sharon Alfonzi, a lot of those, a lot of former ones. Again, Barry Weiss is so backward, she's got me defending a lot of mainstream media people. That is not something. If you watch this show, I do much of, but like that's the position she is putting you in by censoring all these stories. And I'm always going to call it balls and strikes like I see it. And that is what it is. So he was interviewed by Sharon Alfonzi, where he presented evidence his office gathered about big banks role in facilitating Epstein's illicit activities. The interview never aired. Wyden said because CBS subsequently pulled the segment and fired the reporter. Nice. And then he added that the mag of buyout of media has unquestionably aided the Trump administration's cover up here. I do remind you the day after Donald Trump was inaugurated for term two. I know Joey Deef was really tuned into this, but there was a press conference. Remember that? I think we have Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, just a bunch of big. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, was Zuck at that one, but he was, he was at the inauguration, he was at the inauguration. But the day after there was a press conference, Zuck might have been there. I don't want to give him. I can't remember for sure. I can't say for sure either. The ones I can remember that were there were Altman and Ellison talking about how it's going to be really exciting. It's going to be great. We're going to build all this AI. We're going into the next era, President Trump is here. He works for you, the people and yeah, we're just going to, we're going to spy on you and make your life hell and turn this into 1984 and, you know, hopefully you just Darwin yourself out eventually and we can all live on our exoplanets in the future with our dystopian reality because we're subhuman at this point. I don't know. Maybe that's what they were thinking. I don't know. But you see stuff like this, so I'll kind of line it up, right? You see the flock cameras suddenly go through the roof all over the place. We played that chart already on the show. We don't got to do it again. But, you know, there is a real line in the sand around January 20th, 2025, where it just kind of does that hockey stick, you know, in our business, Joey, that's something we've never seen. We've seen steady slow growth over the years. We always talk about, why don't we go and get that hockey stick moment where it's a good thing. You know, that means suddenly you kind of explode, right? And you look at huge shows, you look all the way at the trailblazers like Joe Rogan, everyone kind of has their hockey stick moment. It's a good thing in our business. It's not a good thing when you're seeing a bunch of cameras spy on you. It's the beginning of the innovation, oh, you think it's innovation, Joey, that's how they put it. Is that male poetry? No. It's not. No. It is knocking down as many of them cameras as you can. Now is that Joey Deep? No, no, that's not me talking. Please, that's not me talking. Is that Darnal Thomas talking? That's Darnal Thomas talking. Yeah, that ain't me. I like Darnal Thomas more than Joey Deep. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. I like Joey Deep a lot. Like, great guy. Darnal Thomas is, that's one based motherfucker, bro. Yeah. He gets it. He does get it. Yeah, he would have been that lone juror. I'll tell you that. He definitely would have been that lone juror. You know, you take out a few exercise bands and it's over. He knows. He's just like texting like, yeah, put the band on my water bottle, bro. We're gonna get to that. Yeah. But. Yeah, but so that wasn't me saying anything about the cameras, just so we're clear. Right. Joey Deep would never do that. Joey Deep. That was just those cameras, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yes. You do. Oh, you're winking. Let the record reflect your honor. You winked at the camera. You strike that from the record, please, your honor. Are we supposed to do this in a Boston accent to stay in character here? Yeah. A few accents, actually, but. Right. Keep it kosher. Right. That's right. Anyway. So, yeah, Leon Black continues to get protection all the way from the top of the media now. And again, every time Barry Weiss does a Barry Weiss, we're gonna report it here just because she's so much fun. She seems awesome at dinner parties. I don't know about you, but like, I can't think of a better person, like, if I'm at one of those fucking cocktail hours, and I go to the bar to try to get away from some of the cringe people there, I hope it's Barry Weiss sitting there with maybe even like an espresso martini. Get the party started. And I can spend the next two to three hours hiding with her and having a great fucking time. Yeah. She's just like farting at the bar. That's right. Yeah, it's right. The party. That's right. She's really into guys, too. Yeah. No, she's not. Yeah. She's not. Yeah, go on. Doesn't play for our team. I always see Barry do a cannonball. That's what I wanted. You want to see me do a cannonball? Yeah. It's gonna be a lot of displaced water right there. Yeah. Do a cannonball. Barry. That's right. Do a cannonball for the boys. Anyway. There is a top link right there. I do want to hit this because Amanda O'Garo sent this to me, Amanda O'Garo, the exe pal's ampoli, who I talked to for an hour last month, and then we talked about it on an episode at the beginning of August, but, you know, again, I've said this about Amanda before, not a woman I want to be on her bedside, like I just, you know, pal, a big mistake getting on her bedside because she don't give up. So this was actually a very under the radar filing that happened, that inner city press. And I don't remember this guy's name. I have seen him for years, though. This guy, inner city press, is a Matthew Russell Lee. That's him. He shot up the desk guy whenever there is any kind of case. And I mean, if someone took a shit on Fifth Avenue in the wrong place, and it is being brought up in the Southern District in New York, this guy's in the courtroom. And he, like he's always on it. In fact, I looked once before every time there's like, even some case with like a little bit of media attention, he will instantly publish, like self publish, you know, an 80 hundred page book about it. I don't know how many he has, but he has like a lot. So he's just like on it with what's happening in court, and obviously has some great sources in the clerk's office there, you know, pure spec. But anyway, able to find that a UN rape case was filed civilly. So a civil case alleging rape filed by Victoria Drake against Palo's ampoli. I want to highlight this is civil, not criminal and its allegations not confirmed. Just covering that for the backend. But it was filed with with United Nations ambassadors cited in it. So he put a screenshot to the filing and then D if you pulled it up already. But that article just so I get it. So a woman named Victoria Drake on September 3rd filed a lawsuit against Palo's ampoli in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District in New York where Intercity Press found it. He found it, Joey Deef. Let's go. Now how do you think he found do you think like you think maybe someone like just let a copy of it blow in the wind while they were taking a smoke break and just turned around like nothing happened and then he came out of the shadows and just like picked it up took a picture and reported it and like that's how they do it. No, no. This guy's Batman. He's Batman. Yeah, Matthew Russell Lee. He disarmed a couple of people, subdued them. We disarmed them. I think he like broke into the office, hit a couple of file cabinets. Wait, so they were guarding this civil case with with people with that they guard they guard the office with the filing cabinets in it and he had to like go and subdued them like Batman. Now we talking like handguns and the holster. We talking like full blown like oozees and there's probably one with an AR one with just a handgun in a donut. But he's going at both of them full force. He's like, I might get this file. Yeah, you know, like how Batman doesn't kill anybody, but he'll like break their cover. Yeah, like paralyze them. That's what he's doing. And he's paralyzing all the clerks and then he's just like going, he's flipping through the files and he's like, I hear they're all of me. Yeah, that's right. So before alleging rape, the complaint recounts that Zam Poli quote, invited plaintiff referring to Victoria Drake, her friend and two junior UN ambassadors to his townhome, which is where at different points for long periods, Amanda lived with him and then also was getting away from him too. So maybe he was getting lonely at this point and decided to go commit crimes. I don't know. Pure spec. Anyway, but address is omitted by intercity press. Nice to him to do that. But it is publicly available. People can google that. I'm not going to say that's classy. A sprawling multi-floor residence that housed multiple tenants and contained a situation room, ambassador room, at least one elevator and featured a pool and adjacent bedroom. So, Joey, I do have to say this. If I were a major modeling executive and I were designing like my dream home in Manhattan, wherever square foot cost fucking $40 million. Yeah. There is no doubt in my mind that before I looked at the master bedroom, before I looked at like the master bathroom, the kitchen, what do they call the place where you walk in the foyer, the foyer, before I look at any of that. I'm going up to whatever fucking construction guys run in this. Yeah. And first off, you know, I got to check in and be like, yeah, when Mario with the Columbus, he's cool. He's good. Yeah, he's got money. You quit union job when he had it. Yeah. So once we clear it with Mario and all that, now I go to construction guy. Hopefully his legs aren't broken at this point from fight with Mario, but neither here nor there. And he's got like that full page in front of him, kind of like Danny Jones, when he drew out the studio. Yeah, they get the blueprint. He's got the blueprint. Thanks for the help. Of course. So he's got the blueprint in front of him. And I go, I don't know. Stop at all those rooms. The most important room, the first place that we are designing here is the situation room. Because as a modeling executive, these are matters in national security. And I need a situation room. Yeah. If you guys remember Palazan Polly is a ball. And so he probably was like, sorry, I'll mark that. I forget that I'm one. So I can say it. But you know, he probably was like on that Jersey shore. And he's like, we got a situation. And he was like, yo, we got to make a situation room. And I think I, the checks out the problem is he would never say it like that. Well, it's hard to say anything with balls. You know what that mean? He's got pretty thick accent. Yeah. And he's balls in his mouth. So it's that's right. Anyway, after the incident that complaint described the plane of trying to leave the town home, but says she quote ended up on the floor that she did not recognize. There she saw a defendant, Sam Polly's son playing video games and realized she was back in defendant, Sam Polly's town home. The complaint cites the gender-motivated Violence Protection Act, administrative code of the city of New York section 8/904 and was filed at, oh, he even has the time. This guy's good. At 9 p.m. on September 3, 2026, the same day that Leon Black sued Congress. Very interesting. That's good. By law from a 45 broadway in lower Manhattan. So this is a case. It's been, I believe this is the one we discussed before. But now it's officially been filed civilly. And maybe I don't know. I don't have any sources here other than Amanda finding out that I got filed. I don't know any more context. I don't know more than you guys out there. But maybe something like this, actually, you know, it's to a point where maybe they got a settle and then a little investigator starts sniffing around. I mean, in a good way. I'm not like the New York sniff, right? Yeah. I was just thinking like when she sees his son playing video games, he's just like beating up hookers on Grand Theft Auto. He's like, like, father, like, son. I'm kidding. It's a joke. Don't sue me. It's a joke. Peer spot. He just hears like a bunch of wrangling in the house and pots and pans flying around. And then he's just like on Grand Theft Auto. Yes. Just with a bat. Oh, by the way, this just reminded me before I forget. People asking for the pure spec merch. We have it ready to go. Joey Dives been all over it. Yeah. But we're having a little problem with snap ink, like snapchat, who is threatening litigation on my trademark of pure spec. Look forward to seeing them in court. Me versus a fucking, I don't know, 46 trillion dollar fucking company. Yeah. You know, what can go wrong? Right? It's it's such bullshit, though. Like they're claiming it for like their spec lenses or whatever. Yeah. You have pure spec, meaning speculation. It has absolutely nothing to do with that. It's not to be confused with that. The context is all there. I feel like I got a good case here. I'm talking to my trademark attorney who fucking bills me $2,000 a text. He's really good, though, very worth it. Yeah. And maybe, you know, and stuff like that. It's like, first of all, you know, no one's, I mean, everyone is going to get the meta glasses. And like, you know, I don't hear anyone rushing to get those. And then it'll be done in two years. They won't make him anymore. That's right. You know, I don't, I don't know why they're causing an issue, but they should give us a filter for the show. That's right. That's right. Give us a filter. This is snap filter. And then maybe, maybe we'll talk about cutting you in. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Probably not. But like, I'll at least say that. You got you, you throw us a bone. Maybe you get a little one. Yeah. Anyway, I, there is a bunch of stuff here, Dave. I think some of it we're going to punt to next week that because it's, it's, it's fine. It's not like pressing to do. But one that I have to hit before we move on here. I just, I, I can't miss my mark on this one is, is our friend Cache Patel. Ladies and gentlemen, the head of the FBI is a retard. Pun intended here. You'll see where I'm going with that in a minute. I've said it forever. I'm not just talking about his eyes that don't know which direction they want to look at any given moment. I am saying it because he is genuinely fully died in the wall retarded. And this is all a meme at this point, a meme of the FBI, which the FBI already was having some low moments here. I mean, we can look at a history and talk about low moments. But then you could look through some things in history and be like, well, maybe there is plenty of people there with good intentions and, you know, some okay things happen, a little entrapment here and there, a little cover up here and there. No, don't worry about that. But you could say that some justice occurred. Jim Comey comes in at some point and it seems to all go to shit. A lot of people who maybe were, I don't know, decent FBI agents, Dave seem to leave the FBI after that. And then it was just a fucking mess for a whole litany of reasons in the wake of Jim Comey. And so you think to yourself, it can't get worse. It can't get worse. Donald Trump's going to come in here and clean everything up, right, Joey? That's what he told everyone he's going to do. And he could think of no one to clean that place up better. Just look at that guy. There's another. Yeah. And now he's great. He definitely was the cool guy in high school, for sure. Not bad about it. But cash betel is in the news yet again and just keeps adding to the list of like reason to get fired and still somehow doesn't get fired because apparently when you are the FBI director of these days, your priority is PR on Twitter, X, whatever you want to say. So you pull up this text conversation you found Joey, Dave. Are you no one actually go back for one sec. You were right. I'm wrong. Yeah. We got to read the context first of people have it. So cash betel wanted FBI staff and this is not hyperbole. We're going to read the text in a second. Cash betel wanted FBI staff to run an influence campaign on X by replying to Epstein tweets with bureau stats. He then asked his spokesman to reply to and this is a real account on Twitter that's pretty funny, at least from what I've seen. The the at I find retards post saying it had gotten 277 K responses. You know how you know he's tapped in on social media. He said he's he's abbreviating the K. Yeah, like he he knows what's up. He's like. He always had two seven seven K. Bruh. Yeah, that's a problem. That's a problem. That gets the 350 week we out, right? His spokesman corrected him and said it had 277 K views. I'm sorry. He's not good at social media He just thinks he is and just four hundred replies. That's not a lot He also warned that engaging quote Would look bad on you referring to cash betel. So here is the text message with Ben Williamson FBI public affairs who God bless whoever got this This is how secure our FBI is text messages with the head of public affairs or whatever he is and the head of our FBI Are coming public. So there's a link at the top. This is from February 5th, 2026 Cash betel is at the blue tech. So he is sending this link. I mean, he's actively on his Twitter During the day. Do we have a timestamp on that? Yeah, 242 p.m. So all right. Let's let's game this out. Show you he's at his desk at the just came back from lunch He's hammered he's because he's gonna have a few cocktails at lunch and he's like, you know what? This FBI director is going to take these Epstein cats down and finally once and for all prove that there was no foul play Because this FBI director is hammered off whiskey and So he sat at his desk Popped an upper decky. He's got his in that. Yeah, he threw his in and Is he wearing the FBI jacket the windbreaker? No, he wears a wife-beater in there But it's like it's like it's like a wife-beater that at the end of the day He takes it off and throws it on the chair and then washes at the end of the week. So like if it's like Thursday, it's got like some stains like a little bit of little curry on it. Yeah It's curvy yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so he's not wearing the windbreaker But he's got the windbreaker hanging up behind him, right? Yeah, yeah, you could see it like if he's on a zoom doing an empty Fox news Yeah, yeah, he's in the FBI. Yeah, and he has like one of those like it's like something it's similar to a tuxedo t-shirt But like but it looks like he's wearing his FBI stuff if that makes sense does it have like a like a little seal on it? Yeah, yeah, so I was thinking yeah, just in case he has to take a zoom right doesn't wear pants You don't need pants no zoom no, he's not he's a good and no, he's not good. No, no, no, no, no, don't take it's not you He's trying to put in an honest days work But you know apparently he's got a very good relationship. So yeah, I'm not He got hammered at lunch. He didn't go in You know it comes back from lunch. Yeah, if the hijack is hanging up behind. He's wearing the FBI like fake t-shirt kind of thing in case he's got to go on zoom Just in case he's maybe like four sheets to the wind. We won't say six because he's got good concert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, is it continents for that? A constitution constitution. It's the right way. So he's got good constitution So you know just don't look and I'm at him at the Olympics after he flew on a private FBI plane to get there neither here nor there But he's sitting there and He's like looking through Twitter because that's what you do when you're the head of the FBI You look at a page called at I find retarded and you're like this is 400 replies too many He's like a about our Epstein investigation which is absolutely Unimpeachable. It's been done so well There's been zero cover-up of it in fact the trans it's so transparent your head's gonna fucking spend Yeah, and they are lying about us and my job is the head of the FBI in the government I cash betel. I'm obviously I'm playing this out. I'm not actually cash betel I cash betel need to fight back against this and I need to Employee. What is this guy called again the FBI public affairs head Ben Williamson I need to deploy him into the comments sections To make sure the people know yep the hard and good work the FBI is doing. Yep Does that say twenty twenty six or twenty twenty five twenty twenty six? Okay, so it's twenty twenty six So there's no more bongino. No, it's got no more dan in there. He's fresh to the job too. He's feeling good Yeah, it's good to see that to get a good start at his new job. He's doing stuff on Twitter That's right. No, it's good. That's right. Head's in the right place. He probably still has like Dan on like Speed dial so you can call him up and like That's like his console. Yeri on the outside. That's true. That's true and just Reaffirm everything he does so the Dan can go tell all ten of his listeners. You still listen to him all about it Anyway, so he sends this Link to the at I find retards account and Ben Williamson said Ben Williamson says this is in quote Epstein didn't kill himself I think I actually have to mark that deep unfortunately YouTube. Yeah, unquote bot account If you're wondering where that's coming from and then cash says three texts back to back to back 277k responses are not bots when I asked you in your team What I asked you in your team To do is find them and post on record our record year results back at them all continuously He wants a continuous barrage FBI working yeah locking people up doing everything not covering up the Epstein files He says have they been doing that Ben Williamson replies that's views. It's 400 responses a real visible tweet gets five x that And then cash betel responds to yes, or he responds to cash's previous tweet and says yes We're not responding to quote I find retards That would look bad on you Cash betel then comes in and says it's not about them. Mm-hmm. It's about the number of views. Yeah, it's about sending a message Yeah, it's not about the money. Yeah, he's getting it Because people see it and need to be seeing our stats. Yeah, gotta see those stats dog He's great Dog dog dog you know I've always said this forever. I'll say I told him blue in the face Every administration needs to be judged on its own merits You want to sit out there and you want to say the Biden administration was completely incompetent I completely agree with you. You're right. They were didn't even know what time of day it was he definitely didn't know what time of day it was The Trump administration is the same thing in a whole bunch of different ways I mean there there'll be an episode like we've been collecting some links on just some of the Like we've talked about some of the inside business deals and been going on there throughout the administration There's so many more So I think in an episode in a couple weeks We'll go through some of them because we've literally been collecting them and it's just laughable You have a guy like this running running air quotes the FBI And like I'm supposed to take the country fucking seriously And by the way, you know shout out to the people at FBI who probably actually care about their job because there are some of those people there Like the fact that they're sitting here and this is their boss. God bless them man I mean better person than me when there's six of them. It's hard dude It's a small group Hey to the six of you out there keep doing what you're doing. We're proud of you The taxpayer thanks you Yeah, that's that's all I got to say about that. There's like four there. We'll do those Yeah, we'll get those so we'll mark that but We do need to talk about the Clancy thing like I said there's a reason I wasn't doing this out front It is something that continues to be in the news and is unfortunately a forced cultural phenomenon that You know some of the opinions certainly have to be addressed So I have a lot of links there deep of like just some different things that happened this week Kind of are exactly what I thought they were going to be that proved the point but I do want to say As I said at the outset A lot of people reached out this week some true public comments of course and then a lot through DMs You know, I'm sure like they were doing a lot of people on social media who I think we're having good takes on this saying You know, thanks for at least stating the obvious here And then there was a small sliver of people who are like you're totally missing this whatever Some were a little more innocent than others I think and just severely misguided others. I think we're Frankly totally brainwashed now. Obviously those are all private people I'll keep that out of it But I did see some of those DMs. I think only it is worth noting. I think only one of them came from a man Any DMs I got like that came from a woman do with that what you will but We are on a pathway right now of suicidal empathy When you live in a society where you can't put it the forefront a five-year-old a three-year-old and an infant As the key victims in a case You are living in a society that is on a pathway to complete destruction That is not a hot take at all. That is About as objective as you can get with something that is technically an opinion. I do have to say that because it is my opinion I don't want to live in a country where Yes, you have to put the burden proof on the government to prove a case But I don't want to live in a country to where Before the government even opens their mouth in a case that is very very clear in my opinion You are already assuming that there's no possible way the person across there could have committed the crime I understand that when you look at Lindsey Clancy you see like this, you know petite seemingly innocent looking, I should say, white woman that, you know, was a mother to three kids and no one ever thought she was a monster before this and yada yada yada or whatever. And, you know, she seems like someone you could empathize with as there's no way she could have ever done this in her right mind. But the fact of the matter is, evil has a way of disguising itself in a really good-looking, fucking mask sometimes. And you got to judge things on the merits. And so, last week, before we knew anything about these jurors who were kind enough to come forward this week, and basically confirm all my suspicions, before we knew anything, I already thought we had 11 people who were completely broken in how they looked at the situation. I got firm confirmation on that week when they were here to open their mouths. But so many people have continued to argue online that Patrick Clancy did this, which goes against every piece of evidence imaginable. This is a man who left the house at approximately 5 p.m. did not return until 609. They have him on security camera footage. They have his cell phone tracked. They have her tracked in some cases with the phone call that went to her during the time. She very clearly executed her plan. I really did not mean of upon there at all. That's really mean I didn't mean that. Like, she did her plan where she killed her children, not one, not two, but all three with an exercise band. And for some reason, people want to say that the whole thing was psychosis. You can hold two thoughts at the same time people. You can say, and you should, and I said this last week, but let me just be crystal clear on this. You can say that like, we need to have a better medical system. We need to have a better system for being able to help young mothers after they have a child. We need to remove this stigma around postpartum depression. We need to take a look at the way that doctors fucking administer drugs like they're going out of business. We need to look at the options of drugs that they can administer. Maybe some of them should even be options at all. All these things are true. I'm not arguing that like the system failed her. I will argue with people saying her husband completely failed her in every facet. Are there things that he fell short on? Sure. Let the person who's perfect be the first to throw stone from a glass house though. This is a guy who moved his home office back into his place. You know, went to appointments with her, tried to get her help. I could nitpick it and say there's some things he didn't do for sure. No one's perfect. And the fact that then the guilt goes towards him when he's a father who lost all his kids is just so fucking fucked up. And I'm not coming off that. That's crazy to me. It's absolutely fucking crazy to me. Last week, I read you. Read you. Meaning me, just here in the studio, read you the transcript of the phone call. And that clip went viral because people felt that. And that's just my dumb ass reading it. What I want you to do is listen to Lindsay Clancy's lawyer, Reddington. Listen to every juror who was who are fucking morons by the way. But even all them will tell you that that is one of the worst things they've ever heard in their life. Listen to anyone who's in the courtroom. We played one of them last week. Talk about the actual 911 recording, which again, is not publicly available. That's why I'm saying you have to take everyone else's word who heard it. They will all tell you to a tea, including her defense attorney, that it is the worst thing they've ever heard. No one could ever fake it. Not the best actor in the world. And there is nothing to feel for Patrick Clancy in that tape other than pure, unabated sorrow for a father who lost his kids. So when people are coming out of there and completely ignoring evidence, or changing up, oh my God, you should have seen some of the DMs I got where like it's just verifiably false. You can go look at the evidence of the case, look at the testimony and the claims that are being made, you know, but like, oh, he crushed up pills in her in her lemonade and everything. And it's definitely provable that he put it in the lemonade because she never drank lemonade. That's not true. Even the psychiatrist said on the stand, he's like, it's common for someone who's trying to commence suicide to do it in a drink that has taste to it because you're crushing up a bunch of pills, which is what's alleged right there. And trying to off yourself, like this is perfectly reasonable explanation. You know, to see people just want to assume it was the man that did it is crazy. And we're going to get to the hold out juror here. As we said, the author is a little news on that today that is quite a boomerang effect on where society is here from like the worst kind of irony. I mean, I mean, Defe, I'm, I just said a lot right there, but you were looking at everything coming back this week. What do you think? I mean, I think she did that. And she needs to answer for that. Who's talking right now? I am. Who's I? Joey. Okay. Yeah, I think that started. It's like Ed Norton and, uh, what did I know? Prime will fear. I think that started whether I may. Yeah. I think that started with someone else and then landed on Aaron. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not looking good. It's not looking good. And I know if that were me in her position, probably would have gotten 20 to life already. I think so. And there have been plenty not trying to make it. It's just like, Hey, kids killed kids. I mean, let's, let's, let's wrap this up. It's almost time for lunch is the way I see it. But I don't know. Maybe I'm callous. That's how I do it to it. And by the way, it's not unprecedented that like when there's been a man on trial who killed his kids that he claimed that he was mentally incapacitated and a jury agreed with that. That has happened before to be clear. It's just wild how much attention this one has gotten, which also then leads to the top line issue, even above the whole case itself, which is like, all right, why are they lighting a fucking gasoline fire on this at all times so that the whole fucking feed is filled with this. What else has happened around? Yeah. I don't want you talking. Yeah. I was like, Oh, are we sending troops to Iran? Like, what's the, what's the deal here? Yeah. Yeah. And you know, when, when you watch the testimony of the state's witnesses, so I want to be clear, like in this case, I'm told about the state's witnesses because both sides bring on their expert witnesses and that's how every case ever is worked in fairness to all the lawyers involved in the prosecution of Reddington. It's always you bring on your experts. I bring on mine. They agreed to find different conclusions or whatever. It's one of those things. It's just a part of how the case works. It makes it messy. It makes it incentivized because experts are paid witnesses as well, you know, but the state's witness determined that she was not in psychosis. And again, you can put on the act later, Kevin Reddington came up with this post-partum defense later. This wasn't the defense when she was arrested. And I do want to play that real quick right off, right out of the gate here. So under the Reddington section, you see the one that's greened. There's a lot of clips where Kevin, his first name's Kevin, right? I'm not fucking that up. It's Kevin Reddington. Um, I think so. Did my brain just fuck up? Short, I just always call him Reddington. No, no, it's Kevin. Okay. All right. So there's a lot of clips over the past couple weeks of not only what he said in court where he made no argument. The Lindsay Clancy didn't do this. The whole case was built on them in knitting. They did this. And I do want to say I saw a lawyer. There's a long video on Instagram of a lawyer explaining legal jujitsu as to why this isn't necessarily her admitting she did it. Sorry, not buying it. If you're a defense attorney and you have all the time in the world to go make this case, and I'm talking even before the trial, when you're the pretrial hearings and everything. And like eventually, it comes down to, okay, are we going to argue guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity, which means in both cases, it's like an admission. And I'll put that in her quotes that she actually did it. There's no fucking way. The guy would triple down so hard on not only defending that in court, but also openly saying there were sometimes redance around it, but eventually he openly was saying that not only does he think it's ridiculous, all the conspiracy theories against Patrick Clancy, but that like Lindsey supports him and that he was a supportive husband of her and everything. And like, it's clear that he did not do this. So let's let's play this this second video right there. There's a lot of videos I can play. I don't I don't want to play too many of them, but this one right here from one of his recent interviews after the case was listed as a mistra. Well, Kevin hasn't come out and really done a full-throwed supportive Patrick Clancy. I have repeatedly and did during the trial and prior to the trial. - Mm-hmm. - Listen to the 911 call. And the gut wrenching-- - The public has not heard it, the jury says. - I understand that, the judge made their ruling, but I've said repeatedly the gut wrenching horror that is in his voice. No actor in California could ever imitate that. It's obvious that Patrick was a man who stood by his wife through all of the-- - The bark. - Difficulty of the medical issues, the psychiatric issues, the pharmaceutical issues. - He doesn't have to say this. - Even up to the time of trial and even afterwards. And the man ought to be able to move on with his life and stop with the speculation and horrific conspiracy allegations that he was involved with some massive conspiracy to kill his children. - So what do you say to the people who are still pushing that theory that Patrick Clancy was involved in these children's murder? - As I've said before, I think that it's horrific with this man who's going through it. And he's entitled to move on with his life and the fatal disease. - He's moved on with his life and still is standing by Lindsey as far as the legal issues tells the tale. - Now there are going to be people there who can't-- I can already see it, we can be like, well, he's not saying directly that he definitely didn't do it, he's leaving the door open and he's just trying to set a public threat, listen people. He's a defense attorney, he's always going to watch how he says every goddamn thing. Apparently he didn't look up how important it works, though I did see that. He has Trump for a fucking part and it's a state case. Maybe my lawyers can help me out with that, but I don't think that's really how it works. Anyway, but when it comes to the case, like the actual case, of course he's not a dumb attorney, it's got a good attorney. He's watching every little thing he says. But he did this in, from what I counted, nine different interviews that I saw over just the last couple days, which means there were way more where he was repeatedly and in different, some different words every time. Saying this exact point and he also, there was the prosecution, one place where they did do an excellent job during the case. And I think the prosecution, you know, they could have done a better job and plenty of spots, no doubt about that. But one place where they did do a very good job is laying out the minute by minute timeline in the husband's testimony, Patrick Clancy's testimony as to where he was at each point. So that you could determine that completely and not get arguments against it. And that at the end of the day, appears to be an agreed upon outcome. And like I said, every juror went out of their way to say this. Now let's talk about those jurors though. I have often said in different contexts over the years. And it's, it's, it's a, it's a tough thing because like juries are a key part of the American system and our justice system, which has a lot of good to it. I have obviously always point out a lot of problems with it. But when you compare it into the history of the world, there's a lot of good things about our system. But one unfortunate thing about it that I've often said cynically is that in many cases, not always, but in many cases, juries are comprised of people who are a little too dumb to get out of fucking jury duty. It's not hard to do, okay? And you know, you shouldn't necessarily say that. I will hypocritically admit that. It's not a nice thing to say in America because juries are a pillar of the system. But you know, people who got busy lives and stuff, they don't always have time to sit there for fucking three months during a murder trial. I certainly would never be able to do it. And I'd be able to make that case very quickly when being called upon jury duty. Like I would not be able to operate my business without me being here. And so there we go. But you know, there's other people who are like not the worst thing in the world. They'll pay time off. - Yeah. - Well, you know, lunch. - Well, lunch. - Well, lunch. Get to sit here and play true crime. - Yeah. - Right? And one of the stories I've always cited. I don't know if you want me to say his last name. I want to say his last name because it's kind of a flex. As far as like what he did here 'cause I always thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever. But I have a friend named Tommy. And I won't say his last name, but we're gonna call him Tommy. And this guy, I'm trying to think if I should change change his geolocation. Let's just say this guy went way back when he's a friend from college. He's one of those hilarious dudes who's way too good looking for his own good, always getting the most women imaginable and his whole stick is like, he's kind of like an asshole, but it's like assume that you have to understand that he's that 'cause it's funny and then you like him. And that means some people fucking hated him but a lot of people fucking loved him and greatest guy ever. But anyway, Tommy is someone I would describe as a very macho heterosexual male. And he bought a shirt the first time he was called the jury duty and he actually had to like show up to do it. So he goes out and he buys this shirt. And this guy's about six, three, six, four, a boxer deck. Deck the fuck up, probably fucking three percent body fat. He buys a shirt that is about four to five sizes too small. So the sleeves are all the way up here. It is literally choking him out. And the shirt simply says, I heart my two dads. That motherfucker walked into the jury pool and within three minutes was struck and out of there for the simple fucking effort of going to a thrift shop and buying the gayest shirt imaginable at a small size. That's how easy it is to get out of jury duty in this country. So when you see 12 people to get on the jury duty, they're not sending the best. In many cases, unfortunately, I hate that I'm saying that. I really do, but I have said it before and some people have grilled me for that, but it is what it is. So when I saw these people come forward this week and do so with what I would call a vendetta in many of the cases towards the lone juror that seemed to hold out here, I was quite disappointed. So let's start with, I think my favorite of all of them, juror number one. Can we play the first clip of her saying, I would say the quiet part out loud, but there's really nothing quiet about this. I just want you guys to hear this, so that I'm not thinking I'm sitting here crazy hearing this. And there's going to be, we have a few clips here. Here we go, juror one. - Not sure if Rogue is the right word, so. But every one of us in the hours of a frustration would get up and walk the room. 'Cause you just couldn't sit alone. - Good, you got to walk. - And we don't go to the top. I think with the exhibits, he, I think got up to the cart once very briefly and went back to a seat. He would not, he would not interact with us and try to understand. We read to him on numerous occasions the definition of a reasonable doubt from Jack Sullivan's instruction. He actually said one day in the end, well why don't we have the judge come in and read it again? And we were like, no, we have it in front of us. - No, we're gonna make that decision for you. - And we would highlight it and, you know, so and so, this is the definition of a reasonable doubt. But he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsey viciously killed her children. - He had the hardest time getting, he had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsey viciously killed his children. Bitch, did you fucking play that back to yourself? Do you hear what you just said? He had the hardest time getting off the fact that Lindsey viciously killed her children. I don't know, maybe because she viciously fucking killed his children. Her children, what the fuck are we doing here? - I knew that was coming. I, that was one crash out. I absolutely knew it was coming 'cause she's just beautiful. Let's play the next clip of this extremely smart high IQ, certainly not pressuring highfalutin woman who sat on here. - So I don't want to dwell too much on the autopsy photos, but I want to ask, because I think that it's obviously important that the violence that was done to the children was represented as they were the victims in this. However, from my perspective, I thought they spent too much time the prosecution on the autopsy photos, and I felt that it was unfair to you, the jurors, considering that the act had been admitted to. What, what was your reaction to the amount of autopsy photos that you had to see? - Yeah, I thought it was too much. I thought the prosecution was just trying to get us to realize how horrific the whole thing was. - Mr. Trump! - The whole thing was horrific, but I think they wanted to keep piling on the morbid pictures and the morbid part of it all, which was not even what we were trying to just prove whether she knew what she was doing or she didn't know what she was doing. [BLANK_AUDIO] When the asteroid gets sent, I got the coordinates for you. I got the coordinates, God. I just, wherever, yeah. I don't mean that literally, YouTube. Don't strike me down for that. The prosecution, it was a little too morbid. It was too morbid for us. It's morbid because the fucking bitch killed all their kids. What do you want them to do? Say, yeah, she killed them, just take our word for it. No, in any murder case, whether it's kids, adults, anything, they show you all of the images. I feel like I got to get Joseph Scott Morgan in here to describe exactly how this goes down in court again, but this is what happens in every fucking trial. And these people are so soft that they're like, and don't get me wrong. I think it's horrible that unfortunately in cases, in any case, whether it's kid or adults, that people do have to see these things, and that is the job of the jury. I'm not saying they should be like, oh yeah, great. I'm seeing dead bodies. I'm not saying it's nice in any way. Don't miss hear me. But the fact that they didn't, these people who are preaching on how the job's supposed to work 'cause apparently they're professional fucking jurors when you listen to them talk all this week. They are also sitting here and quite literally saying that the most important part of their job, which is taking a look at the evidence at hand, was just a little too much for their safe space. Okay, no, I just really can't do this. Okay, it's giving too much. It's giving too much. We're setting back women so many years. Shout out to all the women out there that don't feel this way. I know there's the way more of you, but holy shit. So, that one right there, the next link was also a little bit of overlap with her, talking about viciously killing the kids. I'm gonna skip some videos here just 'cause they're gonna piss me off too much. But they talked about being entertained by Reddington. They talked about him like he was the hottest thing ever, which not to defend them at all 'cause I think it was ridiculous and obviously I'm making fun of them. Unfortunately, this is a part of any courtroom. The Riz wins. The Riz is important. So, regardless of the context in which they were talking about it, which I thought was gross and ridiculous. Yeah, I will say the prosecution's table wasn't working with a lot of Riz. And the branding could have been a little better on the government's part. I will say that. And the guy Reddington, think what you wanna have, got incredible charisma, incredible charisma. It's just wild that they're so openly laughing and smiling and citing that in such a serious case involving children who are the victims that they seem to not even wanna talk about. And totally discount. They also talked about, and they explain this in a long-winded rant, but they talked about how the holdout juror was expressing reasonable doubt. You heard the first clip where that was mentioned and there were more clips where these three jurors were all talking about it. And what's very clear from it is that he most likely, and we can't know this for sure, never said the words I have reasonable doubt. They were trying to pressure him into convincing himself that what he was saying was reasonable doubt. And as you heard them say, when he wanted the judge to come in there to give a clarification on stuff, they said, nah, honey, you don't need the judge. We got you. We are the judge. With the judge Jerry and executioner here, we're ex-gootin' everyone but Lindsay. There was also a part where some of the jurors were nurses and they were playing expert in the room. Do we have that length if we should pull that one up? It's supposed to be equal in a jury room, as far as like people all coming around and assessing the evidence and then coming to a conclusion here. The expertise is supposed to occur in the courtroom. I'm not saying human beings are perfect. I'm not saying someone at one point doesn't say, why the fuck can doing this? Right, you know, I'm sure some of that stuff happens. But when nurses start talking about like drug administration and what it does to you and stuff to try to sway the other jurors, yeah, that's kind of interesting. Let's, is this the, this is the right, okay. So judge Sullivan is getting calls to hold public contempt hearings involving jurors who like Lindsay Clancy or themselves nurses in the Clancy murder trial. This is from Mike Kobe Wildhorse at Wild_Horse. On Twitter, three female jurors said nurses on the panel answered questions about medications and guided jurors through hospital and toxicology reports during deliberations. I've served on a jury. Jurors are required to rely only on evidence presented in court medical questions. Should have been answered by sworn experts or sent to the judge for clarification, not explained by jurors using their personal knowledge. The nurse jurors are accused of acting as unsworn experts in using their interpretations to influence the panel and pressure the loan holdout juror to vote not guilty. The jury reportedly deliberated for more than 36 hours across seven days before becoming deadlocked 11-1. Discussions allegedly became so heated that alternate jurors thought they were fighting. The nurse jurors should face contempt hearings. That's his spec, not mine. But kind of interesting, kind of interesting that they're playing an expert in there for sure. The best though, that last link. Can you hit that last one? Six. One under one, two, and three. Sorry, yeah, right there. Three Lindsay Clancy jurors say they plan to attend a potential retrial and supportive Clancy after the four person called the mistrial, quote, "so heartbreaking," unquote. We're literally talking about pink shirt ladies who served on the jury and are now gonna put on the pink shirts and hold up signs and hard signs for the lady that killed her kids. That's where we're at here, people. So juror four, who I believe was disguised identity, they didn't show her face. Basically said that she felt, I don't think she, did she use the word bullied? I don't wanna say that as she didn't use the official word. I believe she said pressured, not bullied. Yeah, I can't say until we watch it. Let's do that so that there's no mistakes here. I don't want, I want the evidence presented as it is. Don't take my word for it, we're gonna pull this up. But interesting conversations leading into the, her eventually saying that she was gonna be voting not guilty by reason of insanity. She was another juror though that clarified that the 9-1-1 call was the worst thing she ever heard and that there's no way that could have been faked and she felt awful for Patrick Clancy and that when she left, once the trial was over and she got back online and saw all the conspiracy theories about him, she thought that was completely wrong. Anyway, let's play this first clip, Dave Scott. - That person, the majority of the women were trying to kind of sway that person from the very beginning. - So, where did you come down from the very beginning? Like what was your vote? - So, originally I sold as though she was guilty and she was completely responsible for it. And maybe I still believe that in a certain way. - So, she's talking about to be clear. So, again, I wanna make sure I have this right 'cause we got a lot of links here and we're running through all this. She's referring to the pressure on the loan juror, not on her. So, I wanna be clear about that. So, if I'm wrong on the front end, let's make sure we have that on the record right there. Obviously, we're not perfect in here. We always point that out. But she then, and I will say this, is implicit, not explicit for sure, but she says that originally, her vote would have been for guilty and that she was liable for it, meaning not insane. And that, what did she say? I guess maybe there's a part of me that still feels that way, which would imply that when she's talking about the pressure on the holdout juror that perhaps there was pressure on her because she's sitting here after the draw and she's like, well, maybe I still feel that fucking way. I don't know, that's implicit, not explicit. Wanna be very clear on that? That's pure spec and opinion on my part. Very interesting though. Then you had juror five. Now, there were obviously 12 jurors. Nine of them were women. Three of them were men. This is one of them men. And unfortunately, this is not a great example for courageous men in this country. Because you're gonna hear in this clip what really shocked him. And him. It wasn't the fact that there were three viciously murdered kids. You wouldn't engage or couldn't find something to support his view. There was times he wouldn't engage like, he'd be scrolling on his phone while people are talking to him. Is that another thing? We did look at this just to make sure we weren't crazy. It's not supposed to be phones in a jury room. I even specifically looked it up related to the Clancy jury because it said when I went to the ruler, like generally speaking, it's not allowed in a jury room. And then I said, were there phones supposed to be allowed in the Clancy trial, the jury deliberations? And the answer was hard, no. But he's referring to the holdout juror in this case. Who's the guy we're defending, by the way, having a phone and not then saying, by the way, not a bus had phones either. Like, so maybe implying that people had phones in there, meaning God forbid they had access to the internet to see what people were fucking saying. And maybe they're out there. I don't know. That's total pure spec, but kind of interesting, he said that. Let's keep going. Things like that. Darji told us one time he confronted the holdout after the man picked up what Clancy used to strangle her kids. He took the exercise band out of the bag, grabbed an empty water bottle, and tied the band ground. - The water bottle. - I'm not fooling you. - Did he explain why he did that? - No. - Um, he might've, I'm not, I'm not entirely, I think I was just so shocked that he did that. - Shucks. - Is that a mimic of how she killed the children? - Yeah. - I assume so, yeah. - Well, what'd you think when he did that? - I was shocked. It didn't make any sense to me. We're not in here to play detective, or it's not a game of clue, like this is serious. I asked him why, why was, why, why are you doing that? That's a band that was used to strangle a child. It's disgusting. - He's so shocked that the guy uses a water bottle to attempt to appeal to the humanity people in there. But he's not shocked that he's sitting there ignoring the most important victims that are supposed to be with them in the room. The kids, that's a weak, weak man right there. And I will die on that fucking hell. There is nothing that happened this week that did not make me feel like I was way too soft last week. Let alone aggressive. You really have to think about this stuff. I had people being like, how could you question the Charlie Kirkking, but not question this? - It's like it's, it's not that I'm not questioning all the piece of evidence presented. We are in trial mode here. We are getting all the evidence presented. It's out there. Not everything looks amazing for Patrick Clancy like as a husband, as I already said. Not everything looks cut and dry from a like, are you God and can you know what's in someone's mind 100% sure? But like the burden approved, the prove that you're in psychosis at that point. At that point, like the burden approved is on the government to prove the case. And I do think they did plenty to do that. They could have done a better job, for sure. But like the burden approved, the prove that you hear a voice in whatever which can't even be proved is like hypothetically on you. And I'm saying hypothetically because my legal scholars out there are gonna pick apart every little word I say right here, especially if they disagree with me. So I don't want to get in hot water. But like she is trying to say, no, I was crazy with the defense that they came up with later. There's a lot we're not gonna get to today but there is one more thing as we've been told about the whole way. Today we found out not the actual identity of the hold out your her but we found out some of his attributes. We got that clip from Gail King who was like this took her breath away, Joey Dief. - Well, here we come. - Right, absolutely. She had to sit with it. Maybe she, yeah. - I'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women, three men. What was the age range? What was the racial makeup? I haven't heard any of that. What was it? - 70, 70 is to 22. And one person of color and then everybody else was white. A lot of the jurors had children. - Uh-huh. - One person of color was a person of color, a woman or a man. - A man? - A man. - Oh. - Is a hold out your, a person, a black man? - Yes. - A black man is a hold out your? - Yes. - Well, I have to sit with that for just a second. - What the fuck do you have to sit with? Like, I don't know what's going on in that household but I also saw like an Oprah fucking round table where they're clapping for a woman saying, let's make sure we have the same energy for all the black women who killed their children. And like everyone in the room fucking, like yeah, sister, that's right. How about we not have energy for fucking people to kill their children? How about we focus on the children first? Some of the same people who claim to care so much about all the victims in the Epstein file seem to care about everyone except the kids who were fucking systematically murdered. Or at least they wanna explain a way why their loving mother did this to them and didn't know that she did it. But Gell King here finds out and is fucked. She's like oh, oh, I'm sorry, I gotta sit with that. I can't believe someone who happens to share my skin color would possibly think that this woman's not guilty by reason of insanity. And it is the ultimate symbol right here because we have already demonstrated how all this majority female jury room was pressuring this hold out juror all week to change his opinion. Seemingly, allegedly pure spec putting some words in his mouth to try to make this happen. And are now going on this giant public tirade campaign, many of them with their faces out there to try to impeach his character, do all these different things. And I know nothing about this guy. I, we don't know anything about him right now. But what we do know is that he was the one person in there who's like, you know, maybe the kids actually are the victims here, which is the most important thing. So to be clear, the nine women on this jury, at least of the ones we've seen, these are the exact kind of women who would have been out there with signs and holding up hard signs, not even just for Lindsey Clancy at this trial, but six years ago during George Floyd and everything would be LM. Saying, you know, every fucking regular line that was pushed upon society at that time to basically apologize for every person who's ever existed and anything they would have ever done to someone who's a minority, which got way beyond the pale and obviously pissed off a lot of society. These are the exact types of people who would have been doing that. And what's ironic is that they would have been saying things at the time like, oh, we need to really amplify black and multicultural voices and put them at the forefront and take them seriously and listen to them. But when push comes to shove, according to this right here, we have a jury filled with those women pressuring the lone holdout who happens to be a black man and then speaking out against him publicly after the fact and basically saying his opinion's wrong. In fact, it's almost criminal what he was doing 'cause he was ignoring the law. So the moment they get put to the test to actually put their money where their mouth is and I don't know. And by the way, it should never be this way. It has nothing to do with race. But if you wanna play their game, the moment they get put to the test and they have to amplify multicultural voices or whatever they say, shut the fuck up, get in your place and do what we tell you what to do. If that's not the ultimate sign of the hypocrisy of the hypocrisy of America, I don't know what is, of the hypocrisy of some people in America, I should say, I don't know what is. And it's really, really fucking sad to me. God, I love this country. - It's a great country. - I love this country. So I did talk with Vivian Kubrick, Stanley Kubrick's daughter this week. We are not gonna have time to get to that this week. I will go through that next week. I had a nice back and forth. I got permission from Vivian to share 90% of it on the record. There was one paragraph. We removed that was a private paragraph between me and her. That's perfectly innocent, by the way. It's just a very side note kind of thing. So thank you to Vivian for reaching out on that. I will discuss that. Obviously, Stanley Kubrick or father did eyes wide shut. I've been talking about that the last couple episodes with some of the speculation on the missing footage. She has had a lot to say there in response to that. And we did a nice little back and forth. So I will get to that. And there's a couple other things as well that we did not get to. But I am gonna take, when I see things that are common sense to me, I am willing to look at the evidence, build it, and be comfortable with the idea that if someone presents better evidence to me in the future, I will say I was wrong with the same volume with which I think I'm right right now. And right now, I feel very, very strongly about this Lindsey Clancy huge distraction case, as I said, by the way. In the future, someone actually shows me good evidence. Not the stuff I saw this week. That was all shitty evidence at best. I'll apologize. And I'll say, you know what? Maybe she had no idea. But brother, sister, whoever's listening, she killed her kids. That said, give the thought. I'll get back to me. Peace. Peace. I'll link in the description, and you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode.