Julian Dorey EXPLODES on Lindsay Clancy & NEW Leon Black Coverup They HID from You

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And I have a lot of thoughts there. Obviously, many of you have asked me to comment on that. I finally did comment on it a bit with Danny Jones. But I wanted to make it clear and lay out the case. And in all seriousness, look at it through each point. And some of the things that people are saying that I think are brilliant arguments about why a lot of people seem to have this one very, very backwards. And it's really just disappointing to me because the woman killed three of her kids. And it should be that simple. I think this is a huge, huge step back for women. But, but before we get there. And I'll leave you on that little cliffhanger right there with that. There was a little story that happened yesterday, Joey Dief, that, thank God, because I said we weren't going to forget it. And we actually did. But while I'll speak for me, I actually did by accident. I did, too, I did. All right, well, the both of us did. And chances are, most people out there forgot about it. Because I warned you ahead of time. This is exactly how it's done by design with news cycles. But there was a little hearing that was supposed to happen on video on Capitol Hill yesterday. Yes, by yesterday, I mean Thursday, September 3rd. We are recording this Friday evening, episodes coming out Saturday. And this hearing was supposed to involve one slimy fat fuck, named Leon Black. Hello, Leon. Good to see you, my friend. You're not my friend. Leon. We're going to talk about this because, Dief, I want you to actually pull up. I put an article right there. It's the July article that we already went through on this show. So, let me just review the timeline for you guys. Because the last time we talked about this, I believe, was four weeks ago, three or four weeks ago. And it was in relation to what had happened after Leon's initial June hearing that ended with him walking out after an hour. And Congress subpoenaing him to come back this time, actually, on video on the record. And if you remember at the time, that was scheduled for July 16th, that second hearing. On July 14th, very quietly, as we laid out, there was an announcement that it had been postponed. Yep. To September 3rd. And we talked about it in the context of how September 3rd is the Thursday of Labor Day week. It's a long weekend. A lot of people are off Friday. Everyone's off Monday for Labor Day. They're, you know, you're finishing your last blowout of the summer. You got to the bar. That's right. School's coming back. So you drink away your sorrows. I'm sorry, night, that girl. You were trying to hook up with it at the bar. All fucking summer that you struck out with. You take one more swing at it. You wake up Sunday morning with a lot of regrets. And you don't remember what happened the week before. And next thing you know, you're sitting at the office desk on Tuesday, questioning everything. And that's the whole point because that has been the entire case as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein since the beginning of how these big happenings in the stories are always tucked away somehow on a Friday or a Saturday or a Thursday before Labor Day weekend. Nonetheless, nonetheless, we made a promise to you that we almost forgot, as I said at the outset, where we told you we would not ignore this and we would not forget about it. The problem is the hearing didn't happen. I mean, well, technically it happened, but it was, they were talking to an empty chair. Yeah. If I understand James Comer, the committee had correctly. They did conduct it and there was just no one sitting in the chair. So that, I mean, that's like an SNL skit. It's like, well, Leon, how are you? Yeah. They basically did what we did with Mitch McConnell without the mask. Yeah, essentially. So you ask, well, why was there an empty chair? This July article is going to lay out why Leon Black refused to do this. But it's also going to lay out how Leon Black and his team completely re-naked on their entire words. So let's start there. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. This was the one we read a few weeks ago. Let's go down. Deep. So billionaire investor Leon Black is scheduled for a September 3rd deposition in front of the House Oversight Lawmakers who want to press him under oath about his ties to the late convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein. A spokesman for the House Oversight Republican said Tuesday attorneys for the co-founder of Apollo Global Management had confirmed his appearance date. So this is July 14th where they are post, they're scheduling a postponement of the July 16th hearing and say, you know what? We got a postponement, but we're going to do it. We're confirming he's going to be there. They say Black's legal's team will will also transfer at the end of the week non-disclosure agreements. The investor allegedly had with women tied to Epstein, the spokesperson said, which he had previously told the committee he will not discuss. So they had agreed. They said, Hey, guys, I need you to do us his favor. I need you to delay, but we're going to give you those NDAs. Because in the June hearing, the big hold up was Congress wanted access to the NDAs that Leon Black had signed for the bunch of women who had made claims about him that he then paid off with hush money, a lot of money, to stay quiet. And they said those non-disclosure agreements are pertinent to our investigation. And Jeffrey Epstein, we want to see them and his lawyer said, you can't see those agreements. And he huffed them puffed and, you know, if he could have blown the house down, he would have but he walked out of there because he can't blow the house down. And he just walked away and said, this is not how it's supposed to go. Friend to Donald Trump, by the way, this guy, obviously. Friend of apparently every politician in Washington DC over the last like three, four decades, but it's just funny how all these guys end up around somehow the sitting U.S. President every single time we have them, whether it's Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, all the way back. Of course Clinton, obviously. But, you know, he makes these promises though, somehow after the fact they're in these little fucking, you know, secret meetings behind closed doors. All right, listen, all right. Leon's obviously Mr. Black is going to come in to testify, but we got to massage this. We're going to make sure we kind of slide this away from the public interests. Obviously he's paid a lot of you a lot of money. So this is just a lot of years of favors here. Obviously he's very disappointed that he knew this guy totally regrets it. He wasn't friends with him. He insists that even though we went to his house every fucking morning for breakfast all the time and paid him $100 million of dollars to manage this estate. Neither here nor there. But like, you know, will you scratch our back? We'll scratch yours. You delay the hearing. You do it before Labor Day. No one talks about it by Tuesday. And, you know, we'll give you some of those NDAs and you just won't talk about it. Okay. Like you ask us some questions on it, but you keep the names out of it. You keep some of those specific details out of it, but at least you have it for your cute little investigation. Kabish. And they go, all right, cool. We'll do that. Delay. Now let's go to the article from CNN of all places. Can't believe these words are coming on my mouth, but shout out shout out CNN. I can't even get them out right. It's all right. It's like shot. You could say it, but billionaire investor Leon Black shoes and declines. He didn't just decline. He sued. I'll leave that one there. Suzan declines. What's the rest of the headline deep, sir? To testify in house committees, Epstein investigation. Now let's go. Look at this dude's just like, oh shit. He's like, man, come on. They're not paying me enough for this shit, boy. All right, billionaire investor Leon Black is suing the house committee investigating Jeffrey Epstein to try and block the panel from obtaining his nondisclosure agreements and testimony. Black's refusal to turn over the documents and appear for his deposition in front of the House Oversight Committee on Thursday marks a major escalation in the behind the scenes back and forth that has been brewing between the two sides for months. I thought they had this figured out. If you read that article in July, they had everything was tied together. Everyone's on the same page. We're going to do this nice combined session. Share the NDAs. We've come to an agreement. See you September 3rd. Apparently not. In a letter to the committee obtained by CNN, Black's attorneys argued that the nondisclosure agreements, the panel was seeking were too broad, had no connection to Epstein. I mean, how can we know that if we're not seeing them, by the way? And disregarded the privacy interest of third parties. I'm going to come back to that in a second. You did hear that correctly. Congress is not a entitled to subpoena documents from a private citizen on the enco-chate and inco-it hope, I don't even know that fucking word, that something useful might show up, his attorneys wrote, as a result of the in-pass black's team made clear that the billionaire would not be appearing for his scheduled deposition and would be pursuing legal action. So they tried to take the leverage and flip it back around by punching. So instead of just not appearing and then, you know, being held in contempt like a normal American who's not a fucking billionaire and can't pay off these people would be held in contempt and fucking jailed for that. They say, no, no, we're gonna sue you. You guys looking into this, you are in the wrong. The onus is on you to prove why I need to be here to testify for this. By the way, hasn't been charged with any crimes. Black's attorneys argue in the lawsuit that the congressional subpoenas of him are quote invalid. It's a shame Leon Black is hiding behind litigation rather than provide answers to the American people House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer said in a statement, our deposition is moving forward this morning for the record and there will be an empty chair for Mr. Black. I was not lying about this part. I will speak with our members about next steps. Comer who said that Black also filed a lawsuit against him individually. As the chair of that committee told reporters he supports holding Black and contempt of Congress, but wants to discuss how to approach the unprecedented situation with House Council first because his ultimate goal is securing Black's testimony and obtaining the multiple NDAs. Listen, Jimmy, I'm no fucking lawyer here. The guy didn't show up for a scheduled congressional subpoena. You can worry about getting the NDAs later. If you want them, you can go fucking get them, buddy. You're the government. Like apparently, I don't care about our freedoms anymore. We've got fucking cameras watching us everywhere, but you're telling me you can't fucking charge this guy right now charge him. If this were any other American, they're getting charged. Charge him. But rep Robert Garcia, the top Democrat on the House Oversight panel said in a statement that the panel should not want to hold Black and contempt for refusing to appear for his deposition and comply with Congress's subpoenas. By refusing to testify today, Leon Black is now defying two congressional subpoenas. Black gave Epstein over $180 million over six years. He funded Epstein's abuse and trafficking of women. Multiple women have also accused Black as sexual assault. His connections to Epstein is unwillingness to cooperate or unacceptable. We must hold him in contempt immediately. I see nothing wrong with that statement right there. That is exactly what it should be. You shouldn't be playing politics over this. It's very simple. Hold the guy in contempt like everyone else. So I think I have something after that thief on the dock with links because I think I have a direct link to the comment that Comer made publicly after that. So let's you heard what I said about the empty chair part, which I mean the jokes write themselves, but this is Comer coming out after they finished, I guess, cross examining the empty chair to discuss publicly some of his initial thoughts. As you have heard by now, Leon Black failed to show up for his duly issued subpoena. This was about partisan subpoena. I'm very disappointed. Not only did Mr. Black not show up for the subpoena, he filed suit against both the oversack committee and myself individually as the chairman of the committee. This is unacceptable. We're very disappointed. I don't think I need to tell anyone in here how important of a witness Mr. Black is to this investigation. All right, so Leon Black, the official filing was released as well, and I want to pull that up. But before I get into some of the things that he wrote right there, which we're not going to get too deep on that because it's a bunch of fucking legal minutia, just a lot of words. Basically, exactly what you expect, fucking for every one word, they put 50 words just to fill it up with a bunch of shit and make it seem confusing and do whatever it is that lawyers do. But Black said in this federal court filing, this is the detail I had said a couple minutes ago, I was going to come back to. He said in the federal court filing that the committee is requesting private information that, quote, bears no legitimate connection, unquote, to his investigation. And that's from the Wall Street Journal. He is, again, he is making that determination. This has nothing to do with you investigation. Don't worry about it. I mean, it's just straight up, that's like a mob boss, just saying, listen, you're like your wife, you like a dog. Okay, fuck off. In his lawsuit, Black argued that releasing the agreements could expose women, quote, this is my favorite part of the whole thing, who value their privacy, have no known or public connection to Epstein, who bargained for confidentiality and have refused to release it, and who have no ability to protect themselves and their privacy before this committee, unquote, according to the Wall Street Journal. I want to dig into how sick of a comment this is, who bargained for confidentiality and have refused to release it. Let me walk you through what happens. And when I walk you through this, you can realize we already all know this. When someone accuses you of, oh, I don't know, rape allegedly, I have to say that or sexual assault allegedly, I have to say that or insert terrible thing done upon them by you here. The onus is now on you, Leon Black, to want to settle, not on them. The reason that you are signing an NDA is so that you make sure that they stay confidential and don't speak about it, so you don't get articles written about you and God forbid investigations into your misdewings. I don't even know if that's a word, whatever. I'm pissed off like I said. We'll go with it. We'll go with it. That's a word. It's a word, misdewings is a word, it is a language guy. It is. That's what the confidentiality is. This jerk off is right, and his fucking bag of turnies, Mark, that's what they've, sorry, are sitting here making it as if the fucking witnesses wanted the confidentiality. How fucking stupid do you think we are? I mean, this is what they think of you and me. They're like, yeah, they'll, they'll buy this. In fact, they won't even read it, because we'll get this delayed to September 3rd, and no one will be talking about it, because it's Labor Day weekend after that. And we're so busy talking about Lindsay Clancy, fucking choking out her three kids. This is where we're at, people. Now, let's open up the filing. The first page of that filing, can we zoom in on that real quick? Yeah, let me, I want to get it on my desktop so that we don't have to adhere to Twitter. Okay. Yeah, we'll make sure we make it nice and clear for you all, but this is just the proof of what we've been explaining. This was a literal lawsuit, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. Leon Black, and I'm reading a public address here. This is on a publicly available document. I'm not doxing anyone here. It would be a real shame if this address got some fan mail. Get, no, go back to the first one, Dief. Yeah, right there. That's where I want it. Leon Black, five, just sweet, one New York, New York, one, zero, zero. For everyone writing that one down out there. Obviously, public information. I'm fully allowed to say that. You know, I'm sure he doesn't live there, but someone will be pissed off. All right, like I said, I found out about this whole story like right before we got on air. Got a little carried away with that. I think that's fair to say. That's why I bleeped out the address, even though that is public information. Don't send the guy fan mail or anything. It's definitely not Leon Black's address anyway. Back to the show. Anyway, so this is a complaint for declaratory and injunctive relief. And I think, Dief, if we go to the last one, it's like 59 pages or something. Did I see that right? Like, if you look at that, does that say, yeah, we're like 59, 59 sections, maybe 29 pages, 59 sections, 29 pages, like I said, never saw a lawyer who couldn't invent a lot of fucking words to sound smart. Shout out to all my lawyers. I know there's a lot of good ones too. But like this, this, this, this just happens again, and again and again. And Joey Dief called this. Joey Dief is even, you know, it's the Darnel Thomas fucking calling the cynicism over there. Did the fucking alter ego on it every time. I'm cynical about shit. Joey Dief is next level cynical about shit. And you said this shit ain't going to happen. Yeah. Well, I think that's why I'm not fired up. You know, I mean, I was like, I'm like, I'm not I'm not surprised. I was just so like, I had links ready to go of all the video from like the courtroom, which we're going to talk about in a few minutes with Clancy today. And then I was going to add a bunch of like fun sections to like, oh, we're going to look at this video right here. There's a new investigation right here on this other thing. Like ready to roll. And then I just said, oh, real quick, let me just double check. Boom. CNN pops up and I see this. So it just caught me off guard and piss me off. And I was pissed that I forgot about it. So I'm glad at least we got it in there. But I'm going to keep hitting that because I fucking hate this guy. And you don't hate people like this enough. And this is also a good moment to say like, you got to look at the people where they There is good evidence where you at least have places to be like, there are great questions to ask there. The easy thing to do is say they all suck, burn 'em all down, all that, I know that's fun. It's a lot of fun, trust me. I've fallen into that trap a few times. But like when you see someone like this, who is openly insulting your intelligence, again and again and again, and laughing, laughing in his fucking townhouse or penthouse or wherever, the fuck he's so unfortunately still breathes, you gotta call it out. And I'm fucking done with people. I've been done with people like this. But when I say I'm done with you, it doesn't mean I'm done talking about you, bitch. Speaking of bitch, actually before I get to Lindsay Clancy. Thomas Massey's honest. - This is your country. - Yeah, this is yeah. Apparently today, in my mind, in my delusional mind at the moment, but all I can do is talk about it. Anyway, Thomas Massey, who is on his way out of Congress because he was voted out, when you get $32 million against you in a closed primary, by a bunch of fucking, yep. Interesting sources that you put a bunch of fake AI videos out there about, you saw all the boomers say like, oh, I gotta vote against him because that's a vote for God. Like obviously that's what happens. But what I do admire, I've said this about Massey and Rocana from the Republican and Democrat sides consistently. What I do admire is how ardent the two of them have been continually pressing this issue. And now Thomas Massey, who's like in his lame duck period on his way out, is going out with a nice salute in the ball of flames and I appreciate that. So, there is now, before I get to that, deep the one before that, because Congress does a bunch of shit all the time, not that this is breaking news in any way. They do a bunch of shit all the time where, you know, they have like these formalities of how they vote and when they vote and when they're in session and when they're not in session. And I don't know how it works. I'm not gonna say you're a lie to you and be like, I know exactly what this process is. But through the majority speaker, the speaker of the house and things like that, they can suddenly be like, you know what, yeah, you know those two weeks, we were gonna work right there 'cause we are getting paid 175 grand a year to fucking serve the American people, big articles there. Yeah, we're not gonna work 'cause, you know, there also might be some votes that weren't very useful for us if they come up, especially if we're gonna lose them. And, you know, we wouldn't want that to happen. So, the House Republicans have canceled the final two weeks of September and planned to stop voting after September 14th. Now, what date is Tuesday after Labor Day? Was that September 7th, December 8th? - Yeah. - Something like that. So, they already have like the whole weekend off. No one's voting right now, right? And that leaves, so it's 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th. So that's Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, 12th, 13th, the Saturday. So four days and then the 14th would be Monday. So they leave in five days of work left. So that, they don't have to vote on maybe a certain bill. And the timing of that, this is a tweet from Brian Allen at Allen Analysis, by the way, on Twitter. Shout out, Brian. The timing, Thomas Massey's bipartisan push to force action on millions of unreleased Epstein files is gaining signatures. They were elected to govern, not run from accountability, stay in Washington, release the files. Now, Thomas Massey's only one guy, and he's doing his part to try to push this stuff again, in his unfortunately lame duck time period, as he's leaving office, I guess like January 5th or whatever that is. But this was Thomas Massey on the floor the other day, listing off 14 co-conspirators. A lot of names that we've heard many times, some that maybe we haven't heard a ton. 14 co-conspirators in the Epstein case. And I'll just let him take it from here because I could get his fired up as I want. This was a pretty good shit right here. - Mr. Speaker, he's been a year since the President signed the Epstein Files Transparency Act. And the government continues to withhold over three million files. That's why we've introduced the Epstein Files Transparency Act to bring the fight to the state courts, accountability to the Department of Justice and closure for survivors. We want perpetrators of these crimes to be investigated and prosecuted. Men like Jess Staley, Leon Black, Les Wexner, David Copperfield, Lapo Elkum, Tom Pritzker, Glenn Dubin, Frederick Fokai, Eduardo Teodoroni, John Luke Prenel, conveniently dead by suicide in prison. Daniel C. Aud recently discovered dead in Paris, Ramsey Elkoli and Prince Andrew, who committed sex crimes in the United States too. And women like Leslie Groff, not a victim who conspired with Epstein to traffic other women. Perhaps hearing these names will shame the Department of Justice into delivering justice. - You'll promise it won't, but I appreciate the effort. I mean, that's seriously, like he's doing whatever he can do. One of those guys inherited, I gotta do a deeper work on him. Lapo Elkum, I think his name is, is that how you spell it? - Lapo. - He inherited fiat or bought fiat. - Oh, yeah, Ferrari. - I think it was fiat. - Maybe it was Ferrari. I forget. I gotta do more work on it. - I gotta do more work on it. - He's the great grandson of the fiat founder. - Yeah, that's what it is. Founder Giovanni at NLE. - Yeah, that's him. - Who was a former controlling CEO and controlling shareholder of fiat automobiles. So I started to look at some of this. This deserves a stronger deeper dive. So we will do that. But a lot of the names on that list, you're very familiar with. Some that don't get talked about enough. Glenn Dubin's a guy that stands out on that, pure spec. But some of these guys that were notably, very, very close to Epstein, Epstein used to date Glenn Dubin's wife. And there are some crazy pure spec allegations against Glenn Dubin and his wife, as it pertains to their child, which is kind of interesting. - Dale. - You know, considering who we're talking about here. But, you know, the. It is, it has been such an awful year for the type of exposures that we've seen. But there's one silver lining. We should all look out right now. We just went through at least a decade, but I could really argue back to when the Iraq war started going bad and then the financial crisis happened. Over these past decade or two, we have seen political unrest and disagreement get to a fever pitch that hasn't been seen in a very long time. Some of it probably always existed, but it was now exacerbated and brought out into the open by social media and all of us being able to type on the keyboard and say whatever we want and fight from behind those keyboards where sometimes we are more inclined in human nature to say things that we wouldn't say to people's faces, which makes the situation worse. And it's divided us tremendously. Furthermore, algorithms everywhere have also curated exactly what we see. They are also self-fulfilling prophecies in the sense that you start looking at something and start showing you a lot more of it and it can literally train your mind to believe whatever you see. It's something we all have to look out for. Everyone in this room, everyone listening right now, like that's just a reality of the modern world. But during COVID, we saw I would argue the worst of this to where people dehumanized other people because they disagreed on various things about the pandemic. And that then translated into, because you had these top line beliefs in the more extreme groups, right? Or the more I won't even say extreme. And the more like opposite opinion left and right groups, like firmly left and right had these opinions, therefore they also all needed to have all of these opinions down here. And they needed to fight about each of these things at the same level of decibels with which they fought about the top line issues, which is totally unhealthy for the human psyche. The reason I say there's somewhat of a silver lining this year is because we have seen four things happen that for the first time in a while are some of the most bipartisan fucking every average person can look at it calmly and be like, yeah, I think I agree on that. Four bipartisan issues have come up. Rape, genocide, endless wars and mass surveillance. Okay, we've seen the Epstein files. Anyone who's actually looked at that can agree that's pretty goddamn bad. We've seen another endless war started in Iran. Anyone on the left and right who's been looking at this for years and has been complaining about all of our endless wars can agree, that's pretty goddamn bad. We've seen genocide happen in the Middle East. Anyone who's looking at that situation and seeing it in multiple countries now can agree, that's pretty goddamn bad. And it's pretty goddamn bad when we're also fucking funding it. And then we've seen mass surveillance pop up, which is not a new phenomenon. Obviously, I've said we all have these fucking phones in our hands and have for a long time. That's a separate issue right there. But we are seeing it all out on our streets with a massive increase in fucking flock cameras everywhere. where AI popping up with a bunch of companies that have not done anything to earn our trust. And now we are entering a new, potentially dystopian world, if that trend were to continue that was warned about in books like the ones that George Orwell wrote. So I say all that because yeah, that's all pretty goddamn bad. But we all now have some common ground issues that we can agree on and band together. And I'm speaking to the people on the left and the right. Obviously part of the reason my show works is because I don't appeal to either of those audiences individually. I have very moderate thoughts on stuff and very strong thoughts clearly on the things that we all seem to agree on which are basic humanity. And so in my little corner of the internet here, I think a part of what can be, I don't know, helping to try to solve some problems is to show where the fences are actually down and people are standing on the same lawn. And we're in a moment like that right now and I think we should recognize that. I have a lot of people in the audience who are on the left, a lot of people in the audience who are on the right. And a lot of people who are kind of like fuck all this, appreciate all of it. That's all fucking come together and come by on the comment sent shit. And that's why we're going to continue in here covering these stories just like we have all year. That's why we added this show. You know, it happened by accident back in February for people who maybe weren't there. From the jump, obviously I've been doing two, three hour guest episodes a week for a long time, that's been the podcast, that's what I really enjoy to do, bringing people in here on all different topics, having a good time. But when we started this, what is right now the Saturday show where it's deep and I for 90 to 95 minutes, that was something we had done for like two or 300 people on Patreon. I still have a very small Patreon, but I really had a small one for a lot of years. And you know, we were just do this like weekly or biweekly, just kind of respond to some news and we had done one when the second tranche of the Epstein files came out a few days later. We recorded one, Dave came in here, tripping balls on a gummy and he was like, yeah, tripping balls. I have constitution folks. That's right. I was fine. That's right. He was fine. He just looked like demolition. But anyway, he comes in here and Dave had been locked in on finishing his script for the movie that we are now making, well, we, Dave is making it and I can't do it. I happen to be in it, which is kind of cool. Yeah. And producing, yeah. Thanks. Thanks for the cast. But Dave has writing and starring in this movie and was obviously finishing the film script or the base of it back in January. So there was what? Like a two or three week period where you were off the internet? Like a month. Like a month. So he comes in like four or five days after the Epstein file trance gets released. Yep. And says, all right. What are we talking about for Patreon? I'm like, I don't know. It's like, well, why don't you teach me the Epstein files because I haven't looked at it yet. I said, OK. So we just hopped on what happened happened. I put it on Patreon and every patron was like, you must make this public. And we were like, all right, bet. So we made it public and then it went crazy. And then we're like, all right, we'll do this again next week. And very quickly, we were like, you know what? This is kind of like another piece of the show and we're going to do it. And I say that because I think a big part of the reason is we saw the cultural moment that this was where there were things that were being exposed that in the past never would have been able to be exposed. And there are the kinds of things that every good and decent American should want to get justice for and also help avoid in the future. And I know all of you out there listening right now, you agree with me on that. And so we've continued that and we do that through the lens of all these stories that would pop up now every week, it's obviously far more than just the Epstein thing to where we keep seeing themes of stuff where everyone's flipping out. You know, I've always told that story. This is another one. But I've told this story over the years about the first few years I was doing this podcast. The first three and a half years, I was in my parents house and I experienced the pandemic very differently from many of you. What I mean by that is they lived like I always joke, it was like two to five minutes outside of civilization pretty much like back in the woods, you drove two to five minutes and you're back in regular South Jersey. But I worked every day and I worked in a blackout studio, you know, the curtains that all the windows blacked out and everything. And that was it. I had a social life because people came over because I was talking to people on camera for three hours and I did this at least once a week and so I'd usually like spend the afternoon with those people. Joey Diff was one of them. He rolled through a couple of tons for episode one of three and one thirty two. But like for three and a half years, that was my life. And so this whole, you know, I didn't go places. I wasn't really out and about the whole like pandemic and the effects that it had on people. I was following that from the outside. I was aware of it, but I was not experiencing it. And so the one thing I would do is when I'd go to pick up guests from the airport, which started, I think the first time I did that was episode ninety six, no, ninety two with David Satter. I picked him up from the train station, but then ninety six with Matt Cox, I picked him up from the airport. So I started flying people in and I'd, on the way back, I'd stop by Wawa to put some gas in my mom's car and like, you know, grab any food for the guests before we record. And when I go to Wawa, you'd literally see like one time I saw it, but I'd see many examples that are parallel to this, to where, you know, the girl in the fucking purple hair with the nose ring would hold the door for the guy in the nom hat and he'd smile and she'd smile and he'd say thank you and they'd go about their day. Now you and I both know that especially at that time, if those two people were on Twitter and they fucking might have been, they'd be dehumanized in each other and hating each other and the whole bit, but when they're in person and a simple human act happens, everyone's happy, they smile and they go about their day, which is how it's supposed to be. And so now we actually can take some of those issues that, you know, in the past, maybe would have divided people that are on Twitter. And we can see that we have a lot of issues where those people, not only are holding the door for each other, Wawa, they're holding the door for each other on Twitter too. X, I'm never going to, I call it X sometimes like it's Twitter, right? Twitter, Instagram, you name it on social media and we've got to focus on that. I'm not saying that to be preachy, I just, I feel very, very strongly about that. So, Leon Black, we, we will continue on you, my friend. We will continue on you and I want to see those NDAs, I want to see you testify as well. Hopefully these fucking congressmen don't pitch out, but, you know, someone's got to talk about this. And I hope a lot more creators are paying attention to that because we even fucking almost missed it. So, anyway, let's get to this clancy thing. Clance. You ready? Clance? Yeah, let's do it, dude. All right. Let's do it. This was something that a month ago, people were asking me to talk on a bunch and like I said, I was going to get to it when I got to it. Sometimes when there's like a huge case, I'm really, really fond of it. And it's like, all right, let's go. And sometimes there might be a lot of the shit going on, which in this case, there has been, and so I've kind of been like, all right, I'll kind of get to that. And the last couple of weeks, I've really dug into that case and I don't know, it's really shocking to me how many people don't see the common sense in this. Lindsay Clancy took one of these. This is an exercise band. All right. This is a harder one to pull, all right? This is, I think blue, what's blue, if that's like a little less, right? Yeah. I mean, it depends on your brand. Yeah, it depends. But, and then green is usually like pretty light to pull. Doesn't matter how hard it is to pull. She took one of these things when her husband went out to pick up medication for one of her kids on errands that she sent him on, and I believe geo-tracked his location to see where he was. She took these and choked out her three kids. How old was the oldest kid? Deep. Let's start the oldest. One of them was like an infant. Who's five? Yeah, it's about five. She choked out her three kids. And then, you know, she caught herself and threw herself out the window to try to off herself and was unsuccessful. And her husband comes home and finds her. And the court, because this has obviously been a tape trial, it's a state trial, so it's taped on TV. But when they went to play the 9-1-1 call in court, they turned the public cameras off so the public couldn't hear it. Now my friend, Brian Enten, did talk to someone who was in the courtroom who heard it. So I'm going to play that in a minute so you can get the reaction. But I want to read some of this transcript of the call. So this is Patrick Clancy, Lindsey Clancy's husband, calling 9-1-1 when he gets home and initially finds his wife on the ground. She ended up being paralyzed from the waist down with severe injuries. And I'm going to skip the whole first half, because the whole first half, he comes home and he just finds her and he calls 9-1-1 and he is trying to attend to her. And he's following directions from the dispatcher, they're telling him not to move her, check her eyes, he's like Lindsay will you open your eyes? Yada Yada keeps going on. He's clearly worried about his wife because I do have to say this is a guy who has been villainized by some people in the media which that's just crazy to me but you know no one's perfect. I'm not saying like they had a perfect marriage or anything like that or to want some things maybe he would have done differently but like this is a human being who lost his three kids tragically because his wife fucking killed them but let's get to the second part of this so he's saying no Lindsay wake up they're coming look at me sirens first responders arrive so he is still with his wife he's been talking with 911 this whole time he has no idea that his kids are gone effectively and Patrick goes I need you to stay with her to the first responders I have to go check with my kids it then says inside the house you can hear basement footsteps and then Patrick guys guys Kora Kora Dawson those are the names of his children oh no oh no wake up then they're screaming and gasping for a tremendous stretch the dispatcher says what's going on hello Patrick y'alls basement basement oh my god I need help in the basement right now dispatcher again hello hello Patrick now he's over his first son's body Dawson his oldest son he says Dawson my buddy my little boy my buddy and then he screams out gutterily ah she killed the kids oh my god now can you play the video Brian Enten talking to one of the women who heard it because she's going to describe it better than I can but I want people to hear how she described the human guttural calls because that that can't be faked we ask you about the Patrick Clancy 911 call because when Patrick Clancy arrived at the house found his wife outside had jumped from the window and then found the kids inside there was this awful 911 call that has not been played publicly but you have heard the call you are one of the few people who has heard the call what did it sound like yeah I mean as you say that call won't be released it was the live stream was shut off at that moment so only people who were inside the courtroom heard that and it was one of the worst the worst thing I've ever heard worst thing she's ever heard the screams coming out of Patrick were just unearthly and guttural and unlike anything I've ever heard really and you know it's I think it's important to know that you know the beginning as you say that he he went he found Lindsay and he was panicked he could hear the panic in his voice but he was still very coherent and he was able to talk to the dispatcher about getting emergency responders there he was able to reassure Lindsay and then when emergency responders arrived he was heard saying I'm just going to go check on the kids and obviously he had no idea what was what had happened at that point you could hear him running down the stairs and then just these unearthly screams and yeah and then he was unable to speak his words were indesernable until he screamed out she killed the kids and I mean the whole courtroom was just torn apart by it you know it was jury jury members were crying Lindsay's parents were crying members of the media the public Lindsay herself hunched over the defense table quietly sobbing but then when the judge immediately called the recess the second that stopped playing he cleared the courtroom and she broke down in loud and controllable solbs I mean yeah sobs of guilt that's sobs of guilt okay so I'm not a woman I can't know what postpartum depression is like nor would I ever claim to I know it's a very real thing I've known women that that have that and I do not want to in any way take away from the real effects of that and some of the stigma that's been around it before that is people are trying to live from that what I will say is that this case will do all of that if this woman is found not guilty because we are sitting here on Friday evening after a missed trial has been declared I'll explain the details of that in a minute but I'm sure the state is going to retry this case at some point but as of right now there was no guilty verdict that came through and also some of the semantics behind that are crazy we'll get to that in a minute but if you claim that this woman had a psychosis from postpartum depression because if we're going to report the facts here she was put on a bunch of SSRIs and drugs she had approached I believe a psychiatrist a doctor for help with this and there was and this was where some of the hate on her husband was coming in she had talked to him about help for some things and maybe felt like she didn't get it again nobody's perfect but if you set the precedent of a woman being able to massacre her children very planned and coordinated very planned and coordinated and you also can't like she said she heard a voice in her head that one time and it was telling her what to do you can't prove that or disprove that the only person knows the truth on that is her and I'm not so sure I believe her but if you acquit her on those grounds you are setting the precedent that as Nancy Mace put it brilliantly I'll in fact I'll read what she said because this is better than I could have ever put it she said a postpartum mental illness becomes a get out of jail free card for murdering your children then by that logic anyone diagnosed with it should lose custody of their kids do you not see the problem there and by the way how about now people talking about like if we're looking at a world where a hundred years ago women couldn't vote and they had to they did get that legally passed for them to do that they had to get equal rights and be able to work in the workforce and have a chance to make money like men do like all these things that happen to progress in society if you now set a precedent like this you are also opening up the Pandora's box of then being able to say every stereotype in the book well a woman shouldn't be president because she's hormonal and can do all these fucking you know what I mean like men have their problems too but you are now putting a moving not even moving target on that to be able to save some lady some paralyzed lady who all these people that stand with her she can't even stand with her big airquads she can't even stand with them because she's in a fucking wheelchair you know it's just a dangerous dangerous precedent to set but something is really broken in society as I said a week or two ago when I made one quick comment on this case when you had that woman who went into a fire and saved like five or six of her children 90% of her body burned her go fund me raised like 40 grand lit Lindsay's raised at that time like 1.2 million yeah like something is broken and backwards in a segment of society when that is the case I really wonder all these women wearing pink in the court and showing up with all the signs outside like you know how's your marriage at home how's your life how are your kids do you have kids like who are you and if there's people out there listening right now who I'm offending so be it like this is just so fucking simple for me I remember when I was a really little kid there was a case this woman Andrea Yates she drowned five of her kids in a bathtub she was found guilty sentenced to life in prison five years later the guilty verdict I would guess somewhat quietly because there was a lot less fanfare on it got thrown out and she was declared I guess we deep can check it but not guilty by reason of a reason of insanity and she does luckily remain in a mental in a mental institution to this day the issue here is that if this were a man that's never an excuse every serial killer ever has had mental issues and mental problems you think these people are like fucking balanced people you think their brain functions at the same way I think they weren't doing drugs sometimes of course they were of course their brains didn't work right they still got the fucking chair there was a guy in Texas who killed like two of his kids I I don't know did I put that link in there did he write jobs up yeah all right he's already got up strangled five of his kids I'm sorry the jury deliberated for two hours and he got the death penalty yes Texas yeah I'm not even a death penalty guy myself but like good fucking reddence you know that and and I think that guy had claimed schizophrenia or something like that there was another one there was another one in Texas as well that I saw where he killed two of his kids they deliberated for 19 minutes and he had documented bipolar disorder because what happens is and we've all seen these cases so most of you guys know this but the defense they'd constitutionally have to put on defense for the client so what they do is they get expert witnesses so they'll pay expert witnesses like psychiatrists to say is it possible that this type of disorder that I looked up could have been happening. Can you assess her for this? Okay. Yes. You think that could happen? Would you be willing to get on a stand and say that? Okay. Yes. All right. Well, let's get you on the stand and say that. That's how it works. So they made this whole postpartum defense and then spun it up into this whole thing clearly. The prosecutors are, you know, fucking a dollar short in a day late. You know, very OJ vibes, prosecution-wise, like not the brightest bulbs in the room, but like the crazy support for her does really bother me. And by the way, let's even take this step down below. If you have so little going on in your life, like so little going on in your life, but somehow the luxury of time, meaning you, I would assume, have a roof over your head and can watch Netflix at night and aren't on the street fucking starving like some other people in this country are. If you have a roof and time and you choose to spend that by going to a courtroom in Massachusetts, in many cases, people traveling from foreign wide, from across state lines, to wear a pink shirt and solidarity and hold up some signs that were written straight out of a fucking George Shorrow's textbook and make that your cause in life. What's that line from Kanye? I find God. Do something. You play it yourself. Like, I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm happy to have people try to explain this in the comments if I'm really missing something here, but this is just so black and white to me. She's a bitch who killed her kids and of story and let the husband go about living his life. He found a new woman. I believe she's pregnant. You know, he's moving on with his life. I don't know the guy. Best of luck, dude. I'm really sorry this happened like this is horrible. I don't know what you say to someone like that. I've seen some bad ones. Luckily, I've never known someone who had to go through something like that. Let alone also have to find them. But, you know, there's also, there's no better example of how asked backwards this is than the jury. Because what became clear is that deliberations went on this week that led into the mistrial is that it was not, so a jury has to reach unanimous conclusion. All 12 have to agree, which is an interesting system. That could be a good sidebar because it's like it creates you have to create a groupthink in one direction or another eventually because usually in cases that I mean, I think this one should have been pretty cut and dry, but like cases that are really cut and dry. Sometimes the law will walk in there and be like guilty. Not guilty. And it's quick, but a lot of times you'll at least start with some people are like, I don't know. Yeah, it's well-being remed. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It made a good mistake. Classic. But you would have thought that this would have been a situation where if the jury were deadlocked 11-1, meaning one person couldn't agree. It would be because 11 people on the jury believe that she was guilty and one person somehow believed that she was not guilty here, or at least, you know, the argument is that she's not guilty by reason of insanity. That's not the case, though. It was actually the other way around. This jury of nine women and three men had 11 people who believed that this woman was not guilty by reason of insanity. I also want to say I mentioned the Andrea Yates case. There was another case. I forget her name, 1953. Woman kills three of her kids, found guilty by reason of insanity. Husband sticks by her, stays with her, believes it, believes she was insane. Constance Fisher. Constance Fisher. Goes to a mental, she goes to a mental hospital. She's released in the 60s. Oh wow. Apparently better. She then has three more kids with the same husband. Oh wow. Did something just happen? No, no, no, I'm just, I'm reading it as you're saying. Right, but did we do something over here? No, no, we're good. Okay, we're good. Yeah, we're chill. She goes and has three more kids with the same husband and kills them all. Now does that mean every woman out there or every killer out there or someone who's done that is going to end up doing that the same as her? No, technically it doesn't, but it's really an interesting pattern. You know? So when I see someone like Lindsey Clancy who, I mean, the eyes, they never lie, Chico. There's nothing on that. She has some of the biggest irises I've ever seen in my life. I can't even see her pupils. Her irises look like they're straight out of the movie, fucking alien. And that's someone who should never be in society, ever. Back to the jury though. Eleven people and we know the one hold out was a man. So nine women and two men wanted to give this woman effectively maybe another chance at life by declaring her not guilty by reason of insanity and letting the mental system deal with her. Again, I don't, I don't think they would have even paid two minutes of mind if it were a man in that situation, but neither here nor there. So as the deliberations went on throughout the week, these very weird semantics started to go on where the jury would come back to the judge and say and give him more and more details that the judge would then have to release to the court about their inability to come to a conclusion. And at one point, the jury, the jury foreman who clearly was not the hold out said, I am so sorry to report or something like that, your honor, but we can't come to a conclusion. And he said, it's because one of the jurors, the lone hold out juror. I forget what the exact language was Joey deep, but he was saying like he refuses to follow the legal orders from the judge as it pertains to reasonable doubt. So what I mean is the jury foreman speaking for the jury was color commentating, not that this hasn't happened before, but they were color commentating the jury room and alienating this juror to the point that the defense attorney for Lindsey Reddington kept coming back and asking the judge to no, no, send them back. We want a we want a result here because he's like, if they can just get this guy, we're going to be good. Once it got to the end and the judge was ready to declare a mess trial. So that would have been by Thursday night when it was looking like that was going to be the case. Reddington goes out publicly. Do we have that video? It's where I've lawyer intimately the jury. Yeah, yeah, right here. Yeah. So we're going to pull this one out. So he comes out publicly while the case is in deliberations and starts speaking specifically about this juror. And once them to be identified, which like again, maybe my lawyers can help me out in the comments here, not a lawyer obviously here, look at me. That seems a little like jury intimidation. Let's hear it from his words, no mind. Has been identified. And there will be an inquiry by the judge tomorrow, at 9 o'clock, I don't know what this question is going to be yet. We'll have an argument about it. I don't think it'll be at the side, but I think it'll be at the side, but I again, maybe my lawyers can fill me in there. That seems a little bit off. That seems a little bit wrong. And he then what? So he was referring to the hearing that was then going to be happening Friday morning, which did happen today. And Reddington kept fighting it throughout the day, trying to say, no, please, he actually asked them at one point. I think you have that video up teeth. He asked the judge to remove the juror. Like he wanted to play like fantasy football with the jurors to get a new juror in there. So he could get this thing across the finish line, which again, my understanding is that's not unprecedented. That has been asked for before. But like, it's highly unusual and pretty overtly like trying to subvert the process right here. But this was Reddington talking to the judge about this, which before you play it, Joey Dief, we're going to play another clip in a minute. Shout out to all of my Boston people out there. But listen in to this Boston lawyer talk with the Boston judge. And it's like one step below, what's your fucking problem? Like they're literally like shit talking. There's another clip we're going to play in a minute. They're shit talking each other in court in Boston accents. It feels like a fucking reality TV show, but I'll let you guys hear this. All right. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate the fact you're allowing us to be heard in public rather than at the side by the judge. The court has an instruction from the four person of that juror that's been working for a week now saying that there's one juror who refuses to listen to the law that you've given him or her on reading. reasonable doubt. And I suggest respectfully that the soft instruction that you gave them saying at the side of our can you listen to the law as I instruct you does not focus on the issue. It is the question is not sufficient enough. It does not allow any foundation for a motion to remove remove the juror who refused to accept your instructions on the law on reasonable one dollar. And if we come back here in a half an hour with a mistrile because of a because of a juror that has just spurned the instructions of this court. It's a shame. It's a real shame. And that's why I object to the courts rolling. I request that we have further inquiry. I request that my motion is to remove this juror that refuses to listen to your instruction on reasonable doubt. Come on. Okay. Cut that right there because then it gets to the prosecutor's talking. Let's before I go to what the judge ended up saying on this, can we play the clip of the two of them going back and forth. So the lawyer is who by the way, like when I watch a lot lawyers in court, they're always like overly and I shouldn't say always. In many cases, especially during high octane moments where they know they're going to have to be like kind of yelling at a judge to make their case, their body language will be like more overtly respectful to get up there. Even if they're coming up aggressive, like you see different styles, but like you'll see people at least like try to put on the lawyer. I don't think for the opportunity and then fucking slam into it. This guy just kind of saunters up there, like almost like my cousin, Vinnie, just like yeah, everything that guy just said bullshit, but in a fucking Boston accent. So this is him going at the judge who just God love him. Looks like he is thinking about five o'clock cocktails at Martha's Vineyard and he's going to be fucking late. If this trial doesn't get itself figured out. So I'm sick of fucking listening to this lawyer and just state your case and I'm the clan of mistrial, my friend. But the lawyer comes up and starts asking for this stuff while calling the judge soft, only in Boston might feel that your runner is kind of coming down on her and not to do that. And I think it's too delicate right now with situation. And in addition, and finally, I would ask that you not just give them as I describe it yesterday, a soft inquiry where you listen to my instructions. I would ask them specifically direct their attention to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and re-instruct them on that forcefully. You did yesterday, didn't I? You did yesterday. He comes back. What do you want me to do? Get a brass band. I read the instruction as written by the S.J.C. But the fact that I perhaps didn't give it my full inflection. He's not even standing. I'm sorry, Bob. I'm not an actor. I'm just getting instructions. Well, my point judge simply is that you're kind of glossing over the issue. The issue is this juror will not, according to that note, apply the law of reasonable doubt. And that's why I've requested, you know what I've requested, but it just in case the record is I am specifically not glossing over this issue. I have thought about this issue long enough. I know the definitive rejects, but the characterization that I'm glossing over it, trust me, that's not the situation. I've been thinking about this for quite a while. So that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to just give that instruction, as I said, that they have to follow my instructions. That's correct. I'm not going to. It's just a, it screams reality TV in a lot of ways. Now, what happened was the judge went to declare a mistrial around, I want to say like 1215 PM. And then when he did Reddington, the defense lawyer got up and said, you know, I want to file this emergency injunction motion, whatever before the Massachusetts Supreme Court and try to get a stay of your mistrial. And the judge is like, oh, what? Like, this is live. Like, wow, it's going on. He just declared it. And I guess to the judge's credit, that's what I assumed again, I don't, not totally familiar with these legal processes. I know that's not normal, that they do it live in court right there. And he wouldn't just do it later and appeal. But the judge was like, all right, I'll give you an hour. So they, they bring them back at two. They, they actually live streamed the other defense attorneys. So the associate defense attorney went in and did the hearing with the Supreme Court justice in Massachusetts, some separate judge on zoom. And then the prosecutor was there. And they were arguing back and forth. And they're like, let's say, we're trying to get that a weekend here. Let's go. And the justice then ruled on it very quickly. They come back to court. And it was denied. It was officially denied, right? That is what happened. I think so. Because then the main judge, our guy right here, Boston guy, trying to get to the vineyard, he was like, all right, miss trial. And now it is going to hearings where they're going to get a status hearing within the next two weeks and try to, so I'm right. And they'll get the status hearing and then try to get, you know, figured out when the next trials going to be. But one of the things the judge did was all this is happening when the jury's not in the room. And then he declares the miss trial, brings him back in the room. And you don't see the jury. Obviously, that's against the rules to be able to see it. Obviously, the fucking Reddington wants everyone to know who this other jury is, which just feels totally illegal to me. But the judge addresses the jury. And what he said, we're not going to play it because it was like a long kind of rambling, whatever. But he started off with, he's like, I'm a real student in history. And I studied a lot of World War II and me and D for looking at this, like right before we're coming on air, like, all right, where the fuck is he? Like, Dief's like, is he going to say Churchill was the bad guy? He started mentioning Churchill. I'm like, oh no. Here we go. She's like in folks. He's like, here we go. And I don't know what the fuck he meant about Churchill. I never really put the tool to go. Yeah, me neither. It was kind of just like a thing. We just in Churchill. Anyway, like, okay, big fan, but anyway, what's it? What's it? What's it? Dog a little Chinese doing there? Yeah. Yeah. You're trying to do the Don King thing. You know, I'm going to do the Don King thing. Speak a little Chinese. Speak a little Chinese doing that. If you know, you know, shout out Nick moment. But anyway, so he addresses the jury and he's facing them. Reddington's obviously over here sitting back in his chair, pissed off, but he kept emphasizing. I want to, and he did it, I don't know, 10 times, 11 times. Yeah. I want to thank all of you for every single one of you and commend you for the job you did. And I actually, he's like, I have one more request. If you all wouldn't mind staying back for like an extra 10 minutes, I want to thank each and every one of you individually, personally. And I was, this is shitty, Boston accent, but like that's what he said. And it was in my opinion, fair spec, but it was a real fucking lean the shoulder in to Reddington, like, yo, just because you're not getting the result from one of these guys doesn't mean he didn't do his job as I think he did did his job correctly under the constitution, your arguments bullshit. And it's just the whole thing smells and not to put on the tinfoil hat for a minute, but let's stick it on, Joey Dief. We're all screaming about this case this week. We were going to lead off the whole show with it. Yeah, and Leon, and Leon, and Leon, and, and you gotta, listen, I'm not saying that's what it is, but you gotta ask that question. Are they like, all right, you know, they dude in the Truman show. All right, hit him with the Clancy murder trial now. All right, activate Lindsey. Yeah. They say the word. And she's like, boob boob boob. Remember that case from 2023? No one's talked about for three years. Make it the thing now. Leon, you're on. Yeah. Like you have to wonder these things because again, shout out CNN, they were like the only major outlet. There were, there were some other outlets, but the only major one that I saw if other people can find some other major outlets, put it up because again, it was right before we went on air, but like, at least they reported some of it. You know, it's just, yeah, yeah, it's sad. It's very sad that we have to ask those questions, but we do. Yeah, I just kept imagining the one juror is like, he got onto this trial and he's like, I'm going to 12 angry men this shit. And they're like, all right, you got to get on board with us. And he takes out the switch blade stabs it into the table, like hits his hand. You fucks it up. I'm still not switching. And they're like, fuck. That's right. I'm not fucking leaving. Except he couldn't convince them like the guy in 12 angry men. He failed. Well, he failed on that part, but they'll get, they'll get her in a, in a retrial. Somebody said on Twitter. I don't know who it was. I saw it very quickly. I'm sorry. I can't give creds on this, but they're like, I'm really glad that there was one really autistic, or no, they said, I really hope he's an autistic guy who just doesn't like get bothered by the outside noise. And it's just bravely holding on because that might be the only explanation here. This guy's getting attacked from every single angle and won't give in. Yeah, he's just like, I was like, I don't care what he is. Shout out for holding your ground on that. And they even said, they even said with him he was, he was, they even described how he was arguing for it as expressing doubt, not like, no, I think she's guilty. So they were trying to say, that's not the law. Expressing doubt is not the law. They have to prove beyond reasonable doubt. It's just, I don't know, it all smells. He held the line, he held the line. Someone had to do it. But we talked last week about a little sidebar in there, about the movie Eyes Wide Shut by Stanley Kubrick. And you're gonna see why I'm bringing this up again in a second. But as a refresher for people who didn't see that episode, it's a 1999 movie, it was released in 1999, filmed in like '96, '97, the great Stanley Kubrick, legendary director, put it together. He unfortunately died conveniently before it came out and six days specifically after he showed the cut to the studio executives. And when they came out of the theater where they showed it, he was screaming, this is my movie, Goddamn it. You can't take it from me and then, you know, ends up dead. Now he was like 71 or something like that. It's possible for a guy like that to have a heart attack, especially if he's under a lot of stress by his movie. But certainly worth noting. And the reason it's fascinating is because Eyes Wide Shut, obviously, was a movie way ahead of its time that people did not appreciate artistically or for what it said at the time. And it aged better and better over the years. Fortunately, unfortunately, artistically, unfortunately, realistically. And you're going to say, unfortunately, artistically, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's not put that in the edge of the time, you're killing me. But, you know, the reason I say that is because the parallels of what he showed to the things that we are discovering now about the people like Epstein's of the world are, you can't ignore them. And that film works around an elite. Sex cult strongly insinuates child trafficking everywhere among many other, you know, little hidden Easter eggs in there that he put. I mean, you could watch documentaries on this for days breaking down every frame that he did. Because Kubrick was so famously, I mean, there was not one detail in one pixel of the screen that this guy did not frame fuck. And it was, that's why it was such a master. That's why he had so many legendary films over the years. And this was like his, you know, going to be one of his crowning achievements and then he passed away. But one of the big controversies is that because he died and then the film came out four months later, people were saying that it was edited and it wasn't really his cut. And he was actually going to go farther with some things and they may have changed some things. And that's all very possible. And I still believe that that is probably the case. But I do have to point out what it, because we were tagged in it. So it sounds like it was also a response to what we did. I do have to point out the fact that Stanley Kubrick's daughter, Vivian, put out a long tweet about this with a different narrative. Now, before I read this and we go through it, I don't know Vivian personally. From what I've seen online, you know, she's someone who has actually been at the forefront of calling a lot of things out. Be it Epstein, surveillance, stuff like that. Like this is a person who is very against a lot of the same things that a lot of you out there are obviously against as well. So it's actually against the grain for her to maybe say it actually isn't a cover-up or something like that, if that makes sense. I should also say, again, I haven't talked about this with her personally, but apparently she and her father towards the end of his life did not have the same relationship. That's all I say. And, you know, some of that, I think, involved the fact that Vivian went into Scientology, which is interesting because Tom Cruise was the star of this movie as well. It was very much in Scientology, but there were some disagreements on that. And obviously, on my show, we have done, we actually just put an episode today, one side that we've done a lot of content on Scientology and safe to say I'm not a fan of that stuff at all. And I think it's an awful cult. And the shit they do to people is disgusting and illegal. And they pull a lot of people into it. And obviously, there's a lot of people who are held captive in it. And I don't think are bad people, but they're either brainwashed or they're locked into it once they did get brainwashed to get into it. And, you know, we've covered that with the headlies who we just had on. Obviously, we're in the seawork in Scientology. They were born into it and, you know, ended up escaping it. They didn't know any other reality. And they were brave and it's, that's one the most insane stories I've ever done. That was actually, we put out the last four hours today, episode 471, and we had put out the first three hours a couple months ago, which I told him when we recorded it, we kind of spread it out 'cause it's an amazing story. But yeah, we were recording for about seven hours with them. And it was a Saturday. We recorded it like one o'clock, yep. And when we were six hours in, I was looking at deep. Again, it was at this point past seven o'clock on a Saturday. And it was the first time. I've done a lot of long recordings over the years. I've done a lot of six, six and a half, sometimes seven hour stuff where I know it's gonna be two episodes. I have never been sitting in a recording where I'm legitimately tracking it and going, okay, I need to make a decision. Is this gonna be two or three? Because when we were coming into that last hour, like when I'm doing a podcast, I can always chart out in my head, like patternized things within about 35, 40 minutes, especially when it's someone's story as to what the length of this is going to be with the details that I really want to let them be able to dig into. I don't know, it's just been a weird feel that I've had really since the beginning of doing this. And that was the first time where I had had it charted out during the first three hours where I'm like, okay, yeah, this is gonna go six and a half, seven. But when we got to six, I was like, okay, it'd been a long day, but I'm like, I could either do like the next four hour version of their story, or I could just touch the surfaces of the important parts and get another one hour. And I was looking at deep and I'm like, fuck, and when I'm getting knocked out at the board, but he was telling me after, he's like, I would be a fucking employee. - You were locked on that. - It was fun, dude. - It was fun, but they were awesome. - They were awesome, but when you hear stories like that, I've heard a lot of stories about that. I've had Jenna Mascavage, the niece of David Mascavage, the leader of Scientology on the podcast, but when you hear all those things over the years and you see the details of this and what they do, it is impossible in my opinion to not feel the way I feel. I've even had, you know, helped out my friend Tommy G, be able to go down there and do an investigation on it, and you know, he started really looking into it, and then some other creators got into it, and it's like, can't even believe this is real, but it's a lot of dark stuff there. So, I do have to put that asterisk on this. Again, I've never talked with Vivian, I wish her all the best, but let's read her a response, and then we can talk about it. But this is from Vivian Kubrick, and I believe it's gonna be two tweets, if I think she replied to it, if I'm not correctly. So, she headlines this, eyes wide shut, the missing 20 minutes. You know, this is a good, this is as good a time as any to finally address the missing 20 minutes from eyes wide shut. It's a story that has been circulating for many years, so let me tell you what I actually know and don't know. For contacts, my father always had his outtakes incinerated, once the film was finished, my kind of guy, specifically to prevent the studio from later re-editing his work or creating alternative versions. There were flies on this motherfucker, they were playing Penthouse rent. - Yeah, I respect that. - There has been a lot of speculation that some 20 minutes were removed from eyes wide shut after he died. This will be very disappointing to many people, but I certainly did not hear anything about a missing 20 minutes at the time, nor have I heard anything since that would confirm such a section ever existed. I guess you could stop reading right there, but if you're interested in the details, please read on. Now, I also should add this context. It's not like Vivian Kubrick was not heavily involved in her father's work while they did have a relationship. She wrote the score. She did the score to full metal jacket. Stanley Kubrick's 1987 movie. So she, you know, she was a talent in her own right and worked in making of the shining documentary. - That's right, and worked with her father. She, I wasn't she in the shining too, didn't she? - Um. - That, I might have made that up. But like, spend a lot of time around her father. So she did, I'm not saying, obviously, she spent time with him on this particular edit, but she knew his process very well, and I'll keep reading while, while Vivian's doing that. Of course, she said I was not in a position to know everything that may have happened before or immediately after my father's death. At the time, I was living in Los Angeles, writing the score for a different movie. I flew to England where he was from, not from, that's where he lived since 1961, 'cause he got out of Hollywood, kind of interesting. Utterly traumatized to be there for the preparation for my father's funeral and burial, but I had to return to LA the day after his burial stricken with grief and exhaustion to complete the score I was contractually obligated to finish, which I barely managed. So I wasn't there in more ways than one for whatever discussions may have followed. The only alteration I heard about at the time was the use of CGI, computer-generated figures, to obscure some of the nudity in the or [bleep] scene where Warner Brothers wanted to secure an R rating for the film. It was going to be rated NC-17 if they kept the footage exactly as is because, you know, there's basically like a at the cult, there's like a porno kind of in there. But I did not hear that any shots or scenes were removed. When my father died, eyes wide shut had reached picture lock and was moving through the final stages of post-production. It had just been shown to the studio heads I assume with a temporary music track, while the final sound mix and some of the music work were still to be completed. This was 1999 in the era of physical film distribution. The film was edited on avid, but that should not be confused with the kind of permanent digital archive people imagined today. The avid material consisted of standard definition video transfers made from the rushes, 720 by 576 pixels, and used for editing. Obviously, this is like Premiere DaVinci, Adobe Premiere Pro. I've used Avid. And like heavy tools for all dinosaurs shit. Old dinosaurs shit. They were working copies, not a high-resolution digital preservation of the original negative. There wasn't a high-resolution digital version of every take sitting on a server somewhere, as people might reasonably imagine today. There were, of course, all the 35-millimeter rush prints, as well as the original camera negative containing the outtakes. Eventually, long after the film was finished and released, the 35-millimeter rush prints and the original negative of outtakes were incinerated. The original master negative of the finished film and the immediate film elements made from it were, of course, kept in storage. Once the picture was locked, the original camera negative would have been physically cut to match the avid edit. Once the negative itself had been cut, you couldn't simply undo those cuts and rearrange the film. Each cut destroyed a frame at both the head and tail of the shot. This is clocking you? Okay. The master negative of the finished film was then used to make inner positives, from which the inner negatives were made, and those inner negatives would have been used to make the 35-millimeter theatrical release prints. The original negative, and she bolts this. The original negative of the outtakes never went through that process because, of course, those shots were not part of the finished film. Someone might say, "But then if the missing 20-minute edit exists, it would be preserved on the avid." But editing the film on avid does not mean all of the material was presented indefinitely. This was not an era in which every piece of editorial media was automatically retained on servers for decades, and I have no knowledge of whether any of the avid editorial material from the production still exists. That's a question for, and we're going to go next week. The University of Arts London. They hold the official archive of my father's surviving papers, production materials, and other records, spanning his entire career, including eyes wide shut. But to my knowledge, there is no surviving cache of avid rushes from the film. So even if 20 minutes had in fact been removed after his death, I seriously doubt we should expect a surviving video or digital copy, unused negative, or other obvious physical record of it to be sitting somewhere today. But the absence of such material cuts both ways. It does not prove that those 20 minutes ever existed in the first place. That is as far as I can honestly go. I never heard of the missing 20 minutes of time. I have never subsequently seen or been shown any evidence that such a section existed, and I know of no surviving material that establishes that it did. I cannot tell you what may or may not have happened during the 30-some hours immediately after my father's death. 30-some hours immediate, that's interesting. I was not there. But unless substantive evidence emerges, and I do not regard stories from certain people who in my opinion are inventing them after the fact as evidence, people often want to sensationalize their part in a story. If indeed they even had a part, the story that 20 minutes was removed from eyes wide shut after his death remains to my mind and actual conspiracy theory not an established fact. Finally, this much I'm certain of. If indeed 20 minutes had been removed, I definitely would have found out about it eventually. Once the fog of agony had lifted, I involved myself very closely in protecting my father's work and took that responsibly extremely seriously. And then she tagged Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, and me. Interesting combo right there. But anyway, all right, I have a couple thoughts here. First of all, the last paragraph there, I don't know. Perspect, I don't know how much involvement Vivian's had in protecting her father's work because I understand there were some sibling issues there as well, because again, I think it comes back to the Scientology thing, some other stuff. So I don't know about that part. It is interesting that she's going out of her way to talk about a potential missing cut here. But the more I thought about that film this week, because after we did the episode last week, I was just really thinking about it even more. The more I thought to myself, I don't know how much it matters if there's a missing cut. And let me start by saying if they had changed one or two details, it could really matter, meaning if there's not a missing cut, but they CGI to detail, it could matter. And specifically, I'm thinking of a scene. There was a great video made on this on YouTube. I forget who did it. Maybe Def can find it. But it's called like the letter theory. I want to shout out that creator who came up with this. There's a scene after the cult meet up, when Tom Cruise is going through his existential crisis and wondering what the fuck just happened in kind of panicking. There's a scene where he returns to the house that he had gone to where he discovered came upon this cult. And when he gets there, the gate is closed. And it's a really long driveway. And this this create deep just pulled it up. This is Jacob to CEO reviews on YouTube. So shout out Jacob. He did a great little series called the letter theory about eyes wide shut. So everyone go check that out. It's really good stuff. But when Tom Cruise comes up to this gate and it's closed, a car drives up. And an old man in a suit with a very serious look on his face gets out and hands him a letter silently and then walks back to the car. And when Tom Cruise opens it up, it says something like I forget because it's not in front of me. It says something like this is your second. This is the second time you have tried to look into this. We are we are telling you you need to make no further inquiries or there will be a punishment or there will be a consequence, something like that. And what Jacob the YouTube creator posits is that they could have changed that letter on the text because you see the shot of Tom Cruise holding it in his hand. You could be the reshot the hand that would have been very easy because you don't see anything else or they could see GI the the letter because maybe the letter actually said something explicit. Maybe it said for example. And I think Jacob said this in his video. I hope I'm giving this to the right creator who said this, but maybe it said something like you are in violation of our code of standards in this fucking sick ass cult, fucking horrible, disgusting, whatever. And if you and your wife want to live, you have to give us your daughter because what I talked about last week on on our episode we did last week is specifically that last scene in the film where Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman are in the toy store in New York City with their daughter. They got their eyes all over her. They're talking about the situation and how they're going to handle it. And then out of nowhere they stop. They look at each other. They let their daughter walk through them. They look at her once I think and then turn back around and never look back. And as the daughter turns away she is walking possibly with two men. And there was the two men theory throughout the movie where you'd constantly see or hear about two men as fixers cleaning things up or leading people around as it relates to the cult. And the theory is that that may have been Kubrick's eyes wide shut wink if you will to the fact that to save their own lives they gave their daughter away. So the letter theory could also be that maybe it said something more explicit on that and the studio could have edited that. Certainly something worth consider for sure. But interesting to see Vivian seemingly respond directly to that because that was she tagged the sentence right afterwards. So I'm kind of assuming there was some sort of response there. If there wasn't Vivian please correct the record on Twitter. But the reason I thought about this a lot this week besides those details is that I don't think they're needed to be a missing 20 minutes. And there really might be. This might have been way worse and even way more explicit and way more like no this is what it is. Who knows, maybe he used the word Epstein in there, I don't know, but like probably not. But you get my point, like it may have been a lot more. But the extra 20 minutes for all it could have shown, if you remove that from the record and just look at the film as we saw it. And let's even assume for a minute, it wasn't edited together. Like the frames weren't as perfect as Kubrick would have done it if he had had his finishing touches on it. Like the bass is very close to where exactly what he would have done if he lived all the way through the final edit. I think it says enough. I really do. I don't even think that the conspiracy is necessary. I think if you watch this film and I said last week, watch it multiple times, watch it three or four times in one sitting in one. Yeah. Take a Saturday and watch it on repeat for educational purposes. I'm saying that unsurcastically. I think it tells you all you need to know. It is a story about an elite sex cult that operates. In this case, they're out in New York City and they all fucking go to rich people's places, where as I said last week, Kubrick chose to film it at a formerly rough child mansion in the UK, which is quite interesting. You know, they go there and they, let's call it what it is, they sexually assault women that are trafficked there and minors, which they, as far as we can tell, they didn't depict any assaults, actual assaults in the mansion of minors. All the women that appear there, I'd you assume, appear to be of age, but like I said, the intonations are there throughout the film when he goes to, when he goes to the costume store and there's the fucking, that girl was like 14 when they filmed that movie and she's back there being assaulted and then it's clearly shown the next night that he acted like the shop owner was offended when an upset when he saw guys potentially assaulting this girl. And then the next night, he was like offering up her services, I think it was, I just blanked out for a second. So it was like insinuating that actually he was in on it and that he also knew maybe where Tom Cruise was going. So it's a part of this whole network. So it obviously discusses all these things and you just have to like listen to the messaging of it. I think it, I forget artistically for a second, I think from a plot scenario, it unfortunately aged like fine wine. And it was Kubrick's way of saying, like I don't even liken it to Hollywood. I liken it to him saying there are elite groups that do this shit and they come from every level of society and if it makes them feel better in certain places, they go in there and they wear masks and act all satanic about it on the already very satanic act. But this is this happens and maybe it's not everyone for sure. But like it's more than one, it's not like one sick, lone, bad apple. And you can run the tape. I think it's pretty hard to disagree with that. Yeah. You got anything to add on that, Joey? No, you did it, uh, justice. Fine wine. Well, let's see, let's see if if Vivian has some more to say on that again, there's a little bit of an awkward disconnect there on the Scientology thing. But it's interesting that as she talked about it, I do want to say before we go, we'll talk about some more flock stuff next week and some axon stuff, by the way, because like we said, there are companies replacing and looking to replace flock. So this is not just like this one company little fucking phone to a side up battle here. You got to focus on these cameras going up everywhere and stopping it no matter who it is, because they all have stupid technology that's going in. We'll talk about some balance here stuff next week too. I got some things on that. But down in Florida, where Alessia Alamon, who's been with me for a really long time and has a great channel, Alessia Alamon, it's named that on YouTube. You know, he, in his community down in Florida, they've had all kinds of flock cameras. And he actually went, I think I said this last week, but he went and talked to the city council and it wasn't really getting across. So when we reported last week about the Santas declaring that all flock cameras needed to be decommissioned on state roads and stuff like that, the way he, and I didn't say this last week, the way he said it was he was referring specifically to state roads. So when the Florida Transportation Commission came out with the directive at his order, that's what it said. And now you have communities like Alessies in Marion County doing workarounds on this and saying, okay, well, that said state roads. So we'll comply with that, but we're going to keep flock cameras everywhere else because it fights crime. So I would call on, you know, what the Santas started with is great. And I appreciate that. I hadn't seen something that direct from any governor in the country. Maybe if I missed something, people can put that in the comments, but I think a couple of other governors now we're starting to follow suit. That said, if you're going to do this, do it all the way. Don't do it halfway because now you're, now you're going to create like a district. I don't know, chain of command that can make decisions based on the language that you're giving them. And Alessie was showing me some of the fallout of this on social media with O'Cala and a lot of people are fucking flipping out about it. Yeah, I mean, they should be flipping out about it. And he's been all over this man and he's been pushing this issue and getting interviewed on the news stories down there and stuff. So shout out to Alessie, doing a really nice job. But we will be focusing on these other companies as well. Like I said, because, yeah, you have to. But that said, it is Labor Day weekend when I'm putting this out. So I hope everyone has a great rest of their weekend and enjoys the end of summer. I went by really fast. That said, though, you know what it is. Give it a thought. Give back to me. Peace. Peace. What's up, guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. 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