Jul. 17: Kevin Woodley on Canucks goaltending, league trends, and more (ep. 1053)

[Music] Hello, good luck fans! Welcome back to the episode of Conox Conversation, brought to you by that 365 check out the app today. My name is David Woodrowley. I am joined by Harmon Dial. Our technical producer is Jacob Lazar. I was thinking about how I start off every show. I don't know. I like going outside, so I always start with the weather. That's something we should try to get a sponsor, the weather report and clouds. Because I could go over cloud cover and stuff. I've done that on the show before. We've talked about clouds on the show. Yeah, you're apparently big on the weather. I've told you this before, I'm a big vibes guy. I don't really, shouldn't say trust, but a lot of times, you'll see the, especially this past month, I feel like, you'll see, oh, it's going to be sunny today, and then it's not, or it's going to rain today, and then it's not. I'm just to wake up and see, look up my window, see what the weather is actually like, rather than relying on any of the apps. So, big weather is lying to us. Is what I just heard. No, no, that's not what I'm saying. Harmon's harm's got some conspiracy theories to draw. Absolutely not. All right, speaking of the chat, let's tell you a bit of a super chat. Share a party partner. This season, the BC Mental Health Foundation, if you want to make sure that your question or comment gets on the show, hit us with a super chat, proceeds from a super chat, go to the BC Mental Health Foundation, changing the face of mental health and addiction by spending break-thusing care, public understanding, research, and knowledge, exchange. Okay, I would like to start with the Knox full schedule. I got released yesterday, of course, being on Thursday, and we've got, we've got a few things to dive into when it comes to the schedule. Do you want to start on the Quinn Hughes night? Do you want to start with Quinn Hughes's return to Vancouver? Sure. Okay. So, despite with the Knox put out in their press release for some reason, Quinn Hughes returns to Roger Zarina for the first time on Sunday, October 25th, 7pm start. That is Quinn Hughes first game against the Vancouver Knox. The reaction part of it is going to be the subject of our poll question, so we'll start with that, but that was the big date that stood out to me. Yeah, and I think it's good to get out of the way early. I'm really curious to see what the response is going to be in terms of how negative it is, right? Of course, I expect he's going to get boot every time he touches the puck, right? The way that with Quinn, I don't think it's so much that he asked out, but it's how uncermonious the exit was. It's what Donnie said on Wednesday, dude. Exactly. It just, it wasn't a good look, and especially the more that there was media coverage around it, and then you had everything surrounding the Olympics and the way the Americans were celebrating after. The Hughes brothers just aren't very well liked in Canada, I think, in general. And I'm marking in wherever the hell she wants. That TikTok clip was wild. I did not expect to see Ellen Hughes there. Look, I'm, I, and his thing, I saw some people responding, be like, well, we've all parked where we shouldn't have. I'm going to be honest, and I'm not trying to be a goody two shoes. I've never parked for a night. I'm not there. I've never parked in like block to sidewalk like a ramp. I've never done that before. I'm not going to say I've never parked where I shouldn't have. Like I've parked in areas where it's like, oh, no stopping between this time to this time for like two minutes. But I've never walked a sidewalk. It was like that was a courageous. Are you, are you talking like HOV lane? Like you're like, oh, I'm just going in for two minutes. I'll just stop the whole HOV lane. Not a not an HOV lane. His Jacob and I will tell you as we drive through North Bernabé when we leave from the studio. Those people, I always celebrate when I see them getting toad. That bothers me so much. Like, oh, yeah, I'm just going to stop and park in the HOV lane. Anyway, no schedule. Oh, yeah, I remember how we got on that. Let's go back to the rest of the connoct schedule. It's funny because what I feel like. Yeah, I wanted to quickly say like I, we know he's going to get booed, but even the tribute itself. Right. Is there going to be a really loud cheer? I think so. Just because JT Miller got a cheer after his video tribute as well. I don't know. There's a lot of hate for Quinn right now, Monk and Oxfans. It's still pretty raw and it being in October. I am really curious to see whether even after the tribute, he gets a meaningful number of cheers. Well, that's a perfect segue to our poll question, which asks that question. Our poll questions brought to you by the all-new nation gear. 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Both ways say cheer the tribute, then boo. 45.7% say boo all throughout. I'm no math magician, but that sounds like more boo than cheers. Yeah. Well, it's after the tribute. That's the most interesting part to me. There's no doubt afterward when the play is on anytime he touches the puck, he's going to get booed mercilessly as he should. But the tribute itself, I think in the moment, the way they make these tributes, they're going to pan to when Quinn was super young and when he was drafted, it's like tributes, they're going to put time into this one. And I think in the moment, you're going to, you're going to feel at least something when they even go to some of the highlights from his norris trophy winning season and that 2024 mini run. The bubble mini run, I think in the moment, it'll hog on the heartstrings enough for him to get some cheers after the tribute. But yeah, as soon as that's over, it's going to be back to regularly schedule programming with the booze. All right. I don't have much else to say about the schedule. J Pat wrote about it over at connects army.com. So 11 takeaways from the connect schedule. One thing Jeff noticed that I wanted to note as well was that they're going to have a pretty tough start. Like it's going to be proud by fire a little bit for many the whole trip here. Obviously, there's the two games against the Edmonton Oilers to open it up, but oilers are kind of bad in October historically. So we'll see, but you know, Mike Babcock's there now. So I'm sure Mike Babcock will have him going buzzing out of the gate. But yeah, they then they've got matchups against Carolina Vegas Florida Tampa Bay. And then of course, Minnesota, we just talked about in October. So they're going to be facing some tough opponents early on this year. That's one thing I certainly noticed. Definitely. And I think on top of that two road heavy, which I actually think is a good thing for a young team that is trying to bond where you've brought some veterans in and you're trying to change the culture around the team as well. There's such a difference between when a team is on the road versus at home when the team is at home. Players are spending a lot of times with their families. They're just at home. There's so many other responsibilities and things to kind of take care of away from the rank that teammates maybe aren't hanging out as much away from the rank. You go on the road and it's such a world of a difference where all of a sudden everyone's away from their families. There's nothing else to do after practice. There's nothing else to do on and off day. So of course you're going to get together with some of your friends on the team and go for dinners and I don't know what shows together just spend quality time together. Even from a media perspective, you'd go in trying to talk to players at home. And there's you can just sense there's a rush right guys have things that they wanted to have to practice. You walk into a locker room on the road. First of all, there there's a lot less media and then secondly, there's just nowhere for them to really be. And so you'll have situations where it's like guys are happily chatting to you 15, 20 minutes in the stall in ways that they would never kind of give you that same level of time and insight at home. So again, I think for a team that's trying to, you know, hasn't knew head coach and is trying to change not only the on ice habits, but a locker room that let's be honest over the last few years was pretty clicky to get everybody in the same page. Actually, think it benefits them to be road heavy, even though it's going to present quite a challenge on the ice. 100% agree with you, man, 100% agree with you and we've heard guys talk about that before, but you're especially right with the young crew. No, many more ultra wants to get his hands on these guys. Yeah, I think that's a really, really good point. Last thing on schedule for me, harm Gallagher, for any Gallagher facing the habs, you know, that's obviously going to be one that Gallagher's got circle on his calendar. in Vancouver on February 1st and the Gallinger makes his return to the Bell Center in Montreal just over a month later on March 6th, something to pay attention to later in the season. All right, anything else in the schedule you wanted to say? I thought it was interesting. If you go to the Knox website, some of the times are listed in PSD and the others are in PDT. So note the difference, right? Because BC is PDT now. We're going to be using daylight savings for the whole year round. So if you see a 7 PM PST, that's going to be actually 8 PM PDT. So it's just confusing looking at the schedule, seeing some of the times are in Pacific Standard Time, where some are in Pacific Daylight Time. Overall take away is you're going to have more 8 PM starts locally here than of course we had in the past, for example, just to give you an example, not just home in a way as well, but there's a game in December on the 12th against the Kings. That's listed at 7 PM PST. Well, that's actually going to be 8 PM start here. So just note the difference in the schedule with the time zones. It's going to be a year where we're adjusting to later start times for some games. Also, how did they launch the schedule without having the website back end fixed? And this is an NHL problem. This isn't the Knox problem because the league operates the sites. But how did they not have that dealt with knowing that now all of a sudden you have a bunch of what will technically be incorrect start times listed on the team's website? Also hopefully it's only a problem in the short term because really it does seem like a lot of the US state some Pacific time are also going to be making this change in the next year or two. And then at that point, I mean, we'll see what it does with the rest of the continent. And if everyone just makes this change, then we go back to the way it was where, you know, those prime time Eastern games still end up being at 4 o'clock our time, which means 7 o'clock our time is our night games, but still a few years away. If you want to avoid all this confusion, just go find the article I wrote for KnoxArmy.com. I just put everything in the time zone that you're going to have in Vancouver. Just made it really simple. So yeah, which is great. And something the NHL should have done. I found it so funny when I went on there and saw a bunch of like Pacific standard times, which just doesn't exist for the team on which the website we are accessing. And then the US say they're not like as a country, they're done with that stuff too. Well yeah, they've proposed the legislation, but they're not there yet. It's not going to happen this year. That's like a next year thing. And I know like there was a long time where like BC was on board with this and just waiting for like Washington, Oregon, California to all agree to it. And now it seems like everyone's just going to move forward with permanent daylight time. And we're going to be like on the same time zone as Alberta for a few months here, like four months of the year. So it's crazy. Anyways, okay. Are you gentlemen ready for anyone else? Let's do it. A little out of order today. We pre-recorded with Kevin Woodley. So we're going to play that after anyone else and don't forget. So we did it out. We got a couple of these packs. Actually, I have a whole box. I got a hobby box here. Shout out to Zephyr Epic. We'll talk about them a little bit later when I rip these. But yeah, the 2526 SP Authentic Hobby Box. They got me one. I'm so pumped. And basically what I'm going to do, I'm open like one or two packs on each show. There's a guaranteed auto autographed future watch rookie card in here. You're looking for the Matthew Schaefer in this one. If we pull the auto, I'll do one pack that day. I won't do two. If we pull the auto. So if I pull the auto, I've got my pack out. If we pull the auto, I'll just open one. And then we'll open two the rest of the time. Okay. So the man and Schaefer be worth. Oh, I don't know. I mean, I could look it up. Do you want to do an ad read? No, I don't have any of the scripts. All right. I'll look it up. I'll look it up while you're talking about something. Let's get to anyone else, which is brought to you by the Vancouver Canadians. 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Not a lot. Do we have questions? No, but there was two contracts signed. Zegress and who is the other one? Drysdale. Yeah. Talk about it. I found it interesting what you had to say. Yeah. I think we'll spend more time another day fully unpacking it, but there are clearly a lot of changes happening around the NHL just with the economics, player contracts. And I think what the cap going up of fascinating recent trend you're seeing is I think the rise of medium-term contracts for our RFAs where like how many times have we seen young studs coming off their ELCs signed 78 or deals and they immediately look outdated. They immediately look like such team friendly steals. I'm thinking about a guy like Dylan Gunther, for example, signed for 78 years off of his ELC at 7.1 million. And now he's a 40 goal score signed super long term and like he's probably kicking himself wishing he hadn't signed for that long. And yet at the same time the point that a lot of people, including myself, were brought up is well, the alternative a lot of times has been signing a cheaper two or three year bridge, but the issue with the two or three year bridge is don't get a ton of guaranteed money up front. And if you run into injuries or if your play just falls off a cliff for whatever reason, you don't get the security that a long-term deal gives you. Well, I think RFAs are finding now that if you sign in the four to five year range, then you get the best of both worlds where you get a significant amount of money up front. So with the Zegress contract, for example, $36.5 million over four years, you're not sacrificing in terms of your guaranteed kind of payout. And yet you're putting yourself in a situation where you're UFA eligible for another massive payday at 29 years old Zegress is going to be at a time when the cap is even higher. So you get to double dip and you set yourself up for that like that next contract is then going to be the biggest one of your career. And similarly to with the Minchikov Nehmech-Branck Clark contracts, right? All in the seven and a quarter-ish range in terms of the AV, all of them five years, locking them down restrictive for agency when they're going to be around 26-ish years old. It's it's it's a trend. It's a clear trend. Tri's deals on that too. And I'm curious to see what it means for Zeef Buoyam because a lot of a lot of our conversation has been can the can I get ahead of the curve and look to get seven or eight years out of them. But if I'm Zeef Buoyam's agent, I'm looking at all of these RFA defensemen that are signing for four or five years and going, well, why don't I put my client in a position where let's say a five year deal at 26 years old, he's an unrestricted for agent and with the money that Minchikov and Nehmech are getting, Buoyam's floor even on a five year deal is looking to be seven and a half eight million million dollars on an AV, even if he doesn't break out. Yeah. Hey, there's a lot of people in our chat that want Buoyam shorter term. So maybe they'll get their wish. The AV is always going to be interesting on these, right? Because like if they do a five year deal right now compared to mid season at Williams broken out or showing signs of breaking out, like those numbers are going to be different. If I were Buoyam's camp and I'm looking at five years, you almost don't really have much incentive to sign right now. Like they could, I don't know, do you think there's any like you were advising Buoyam right now other than all he wants eight years and the only time to get it is before September. If you're advising Buoyam's camp, if you're advising Buoyam and you're his camp, like are you not just saying like him and just play out the year, like they have to sign you as something this off season. There's excuse me next off season. There's really nothing from to gain if they're looking at that five year thing. There's really nothing from the game by signing this off season. For sure, I would be telling him not to sign unless it's like a huge offer that has life changing money. And the reason is, like, Nemitch for example, 7.25 million, right? And it's for a player. whose career high is 26 points. That's how many points. Now, Mitch had this past season before that in 2024, 25, you had four points in 27 games as a rookie at 19 points in 60 games. And on top of that, now, Mitch hasn't played a ton ice time wise. I actually looked at it and over the course of his ELC, average ice time, which is another key statistic that's used in building comparables for our fake contracts. He's a shade below 19 minutes a night. Well, if you're Steve Buehm, I think this past season, he already had 26 points. And on top of that, playing in, yeah, 26 exactly. And then playing in Vancouver, he's gonna average a lot of minutes. I want to pull up ice time specifically. So yeah, after the trade in 45 games with Vancouver, he was at 20 minutes and 21 seconds, beverage ice time. So if I'm his agent and looking at Williams situation right now, I'm going, even if you stagnate next season, worst case scenario, you don't improve at all. You put up 26 points, you average roughly 20 minutes a night. You're still going to get at the bare minimum the Simone image contract. And then if you break out and you reach 30 points, 35 points, how 40 points and your minutes start rising 21 minutes, 22 minutes per night. Well, then all of a sudden, you're in a different ballpark entirely in terms of your next contract. So, Buehm in all our phase in general, this isn't like a connect specific story. I think one of the big takeaways from this offseason is that non star defensemen on their second contracts are getting the bag really early because you go back to the flat cap era and it was really only like I look through actually for a piece that's running tomorrow at the athletic at a lot of the contracts for RFA defensemen around three to five years ago. Let's call it back then. It was only your Quinn Hughes, Miro Hayes, Skin and Tirov, Kim McCart, Tirov defensemen that we're getting long term big money deals right off of their entry level contracts. You look at how many, like really good defensemen there were that actually signed two or three or bridges, Evan Bouschard, Rasmus Dallien signed six million times three. Like Rasmus Dallien was settling for a bridge contract, you know, Cam York, a lot of these guys, if you weren't a proven number one franchise guy right away, you weren't getting that big ticket right off your ELC but now Nehmich, Minchikov, these guys are getting those big bucks right away and it gives a lot of leverage to Bouliam, even though he, of course, is a little bit different than some of these other RFA's in that he's a 10.2-c meaning he won't have the right to sign an offer sheet next summer. Yep. All right. I want to read this one and then we got to rip this pack. It's from Karn, regular contributor to the show, who said, "How many media members are going to forget about this PST/PDT thing and arrive early for the first 7pm PST game?" I would like to ask you who you think the most likely, we're doing superlatives here, superlatives. Most media members most likely to show up at the wrong time for a game and you like, I've done it so I would say myself. I don't know what it is, too. Have you also done this? I've done this. I've shown up late. This is 6pm start randomly at home, not long ago. I guess last season, back half a last season. And I remember I was like, texted Jeff, I'm like, "Hey, I'm just leaving my house." He's like, "I don't think you're going to make it here in time." He sends me a picture from in the ring and I'm like, "Damn, I'm not going to make it there in time." So, actually, that's the funny thing. I think I got there before the first TV time out of the first period. I like going early to games. Other than us, I would say favor, but now he lives there. He's tough. I can't think of many others. I think it's, we'll see us, but also I've been my mistake like five years ago and then that caught me in the habit of meticulously double checking every time. I mean, mine like three months ago. So, maybe I'll learn one day. All right. Let's get to, oh yeah, Alex Headler, Development Coach Gabriel pointed this out in the chat. Thank you, Gabriel. Alex Headler, name the development coach. That's your latest conox news. I like that. And I mean, neither of us are going to have any takeaway other than Sideans played with this guy. I mean, RJ played with them for a more brief period than the Sideans did. But when he was a player, we heard all about Alex Headler and his leadership abilities. So, yeah, it's a great guy for the young defenseman to learn from. All I'll say is Alex Headler, like I know the back half of his career in Vancouver, a little different teams weren't as good. But like there's like revisionist history going on with like Alex Headler sucking his whole career. And I don't like it. I really don't. Like if Zeeb William, Tom Belander and Elias Peterson all gained the ability that Alex Headler has to clear out the net front, can also want to Stanley Cup, like just relax on the Alex Headler slander. Okay. I know he wasn't a huge. I haven't seen too much. I think I think he's pretty widely respected as you don't you don't read the comments. He was a great number two defenseman. Yeah. Yeah. You don't read the conox army comment section. Anyways, when I was writing the newser, I got I took some solace in realizing that when he was only took his assists and points record of the big records you can go on to like, oh, most multi point game. I don't know. Anyways, I'm just throwing it out that Alex Headler still holds some franchise records goals by defenseman, games played by defenseman, most block shots. And the most hits by any conox player in history. Did you know that? I know hits weren't tracked until later, but still he holds that record for most in franchise history. Adler before the like the back issues and the injury troubles really got to him like young Alex. Adler could blow guys up in the neutral zone. He was so fun to watch. Yeah. Around that like 2009, 2010 kind of era. Remember that coast to coast goal he had? I think it was like 2017 against against Columbus. You remember this one. Yeah. He had a coast to coast Jacob. Pull that up if we can. I know we're running a little late, but yeah, he had a coast to coast goal and everybody just went nuts because everybody including all his teammates and everybody on Columbus was waiting from the past and then he just kept going to the net. Just Alex, Adler coast to coast Columbus. I'm sure you'll find it quickly in the meantime though. Sorry, go on. Just quickly. I think the evolution of his career should serve him well for player development role because of the way he had to evolve his game, right? Young Alex, Adler, the way he could skate the way he could hit the size that he had. He was just so athletic and at the time young Adler was prone to the big mistake, right? The mental error. But then as he got older, the way that once you get into your 30s and you lose that athleticism and Adler's foot speed really slowed down and the injuries, he just couldn't move the same way. His longevity as a top four defenseman is really damn impressive and goes underrated just because he was on some bad connox teams. He became so much smarter as a defender and all of a sudden it was positioning, it was angles. It was like the habit that he had earlier in his career of making the big mistake just completely went away. And I think a lot of other defensemen as they ran into those injuries, as they slowed down with their foot speed, their game would have just fallen off a cliff. Whereas Adler's longevity was part of him kind of transforming his game on the fly using his brains. And I think that experience will be valuable and useful when trying to coach players coming up in the NHL. At free PD in the chat, Adler needs to focus on junior. Yeah, DP, you talked about the mistake prone young Adler. I like that a lot. That's a good one. Okay. We got to get going here. Let's go to pack. We used to do this. This is an ephorepic pack of the day. All right. If you're a collector, go visit zephyrepic.com, see their full selection of hockey and sports card products. Check them out using our affiliate link in the description and be sure to use promo code zehockey for $5 off any sports card or autograph memorabilia product available on their website. That zephyrepic.com. All right. Let's rip it and I looked it up armed two to $3,000 that shaffer Dutra watch auto. So I've got my pack. I don't even know how to do this because I got to try to hold my card. This is where this is where you need a mic stand like everyone in the chat says you do. I got it. I got it. All right. Here we go. Ready. I'll do it like this. Slow real. Okay. Well, it's a good good first card for a base card at least. All right. Darn. Julie Slaven. Okay. Future watch. Nighard. Okay. Not auto, but Nighard. Yep. Oh yeah. This is one of those bounty cards. So on the back, you scratch that code. I think it's if he wins an award or something, I can't remember what it is. There's something about that. I just can't remember what it is. Okay. Let's keep going. Rest of the pack. Reshman focus. Okay. All this one's out of date now and it's it Like I read there radish. Yeah, red there radish to Yeah Nice that's number to think yeah limited Limited card for guy who no longer plays on that team unfortunately, but all right Hey, and soul yeah Jarvis are is gonna give that to my wife she collects Jarvis and name me kidna cool nice nice all right one more pack So good if we're not if we're not getting autos. Yeah, we're ripping multiple I mean some some fun names from the base cards and they're obviously with the dart a McKinnon and Jarvis and Okay 10 packs 10 packs per box so Two packs to show well one of them is gonna have an auto so we'll do one. Anyways. Yeah, we'll have it all right here we go Jason oh, yeah, oh That's one of your big boys quads make your boys Future icons all over Well, that's numbered. Yeah, right out of 399. Oh Okay, see something shiny. All right freshman focus Zeef Ooh, Eve boom Yeah, all right, here we go something shiny. Oh this could be it Ooh, okay, on saves nice That's a nice looking card and a future watch limited Lily out of vine and Nice, oh The second pack was really yet. All right nice not boldly I actually really like the design on these cards. Yes, they are beautiful cards. They're beautiful cards. Yeah, all right You've had a lot of booyum lock recently. There's the quads reps video Yeah, you pull up three different booyum rookie cards in the same box hold a lot of booyum. Yeah, we have okay So pull some booyum of your own pull some cards of your own head on over Zephyr epic.com use our affiliate link. It's in the podcast description. It's in the YouTube description now We'll get to our pre-recorded interview with heaven-woodly All right, very pleased to be joined now by Ingol magazine's Kevin Woodley. Kevin it's been a while. Thanks chicken time today. How you doing? Alright, man. I'm alright. It's good to join you guys. We usually do this once or twice a summer So we're into the dog days. I figure you guys have no real guests. You dig out the goalie guy Hey, you know there's a quota on how often I'm allowed to have you on this show. I keep battling it but The quote is stolen. Don't act like I'm anti-woodly I trust Woodley when it comes to gold tending more than just about anybody else in this industry and Woodley knows this because I bother him with way too many texts and calls throughout Regular season Yeah, I'm always happy to answer anyone that asked me any questions harm So and by the way quads I thought that was a favor imposed can't have the goalie guy on too often So I don't know we'll see we'll see where this goes Jacob we got to dig up the old Kevin Woodley intro because we had a good intro song But it had copyright music so we'll see we'll see if we can dig it up anyways Kevin Haven't talked to you in a while. Let's start with that true demco We saw the update of him back on the ice hasn't straight far. He's stayed in Vancouver this summer. It looks like RJ wouldn't commit to him being ready for training camp. Do you have any update on demco for us? Well, I mean speaking of guys I haven't talked to in a while that would be that your demco so I don't have anything it it was just my way of saying I don't have anything personal inside anything like that But you can't skate in Vancouver as an NHL gold tanner without me hearing about it So I do you know I had some people that had eyes on some of the skates I won't say what rank is then that creates a crowd of people going there looking for a chance to get autographs But he has been skating locally. I think he may be traveling like this past little week in a bit I think we've even seen that on his Instagram But during those skates he posted one of them he was on the ice You know, I believe also with the goalie coach at one point as well I think Marker Trenius may have been in town and of the day he's doing butterflies like the fact he's dropping into butterflies and At that progression point of his skating actually even the fact that if he's left town now He's in a point of his rehab where he can take a break But those are all positive signs and I was one that asked RJ the question just because we had seen That you're post about being on the ice and that timeline to me would indicate Especially if you're already dropping journeys and going into a butterfly that would indicate that You know training camp is probably likely obviously you can have setbacks and so you wouldn't want to commit to it publicly in case one of those happens, but I think the people around it feel good very good about him being ready For the start of the camp even if there's a progression to happen once You know once we get there. I would expect based on past history that you'll see him Back in early August the Goli people when ink Clark was involved would typically be here first week of August ahead of everyone else I know a lot was made over who showed up went over the years But the Goli Department was always back first in doing that work and then you start that progression towards the season coming up the Injury and Listen like all accounts from people that are close to it or this is going very well There's a belief that you know The hips tie into so much of everything else and I know when people hear that he's had hip surgery again Because he had his hips done in college and always had his hips done again And there is a certain degree of hey, I don't know a lot of guys that have had it done twice But that solves quite often a lot of the other issues like so often I actually played a role in one goal tender and I'm getting his hipstagnosed and having the surgery close to a decade ago This guy was just popping groins like crazy with his NHL team and I'm like, hey, has anybody look at his hips? It's tied to so much of the rest of the lower body and so the belief and the hope is that Fixing this should help alleviate some of the other pressure that you're talking about in his presser about having zero degrees of internal rotation In other words if the hip can't internally rotate which it was not Designed to do like our hips are not designed to purposely internally rotate you might have pressure a butterfly The amount of internal rotation and pressure a butterfly exerts is two times your body weight It's it's the equivalent of an Olympic clean and jerk every time a goal he goes to the ice and With internal rotation that the hips were not the hip socket was not created to do like so as soon as you have an Impingment or an inability to do that you're just adding stress throughout the rest of the chain So by alleviating That at the hip it should alleviate a lot of the pressure In through the groins down to the knees even right down to the ankle so it's um You'll get in like I understand that probably be skepticism around it given the recent injury history Um, and you want to be a little guarded because anything can happen and this is this is a goalie that's never made it through a season as number one Healthy but there's a lot of there's a lot of reasons to be positive right now Is there anything the connects can do to support Demko to increase the odds that He's able to stay healthy next season the obvious one is managing his workload in in terms of games played but Even in designing the way that he's training on the ice off the ice is is there much the organization can do or is this more Just this is kind of out of their Control for for the most part in terms of the health aspect. No, absolutely There's no the end I would argue that they're already doing it and and that you're committing to being here in the summer You know, I think some of these problems started when he came off the first knee surgery Oh time is a flat circle since the pandemic. What are we four years ago the first one and Came off of it and got back at the in at the time off season home with San Diego got back Was training with his trainer down there got back on the ice and one a million miles an hour And there was nobody from staff there to sort of monitor that return to play program And by the time he got back into Vancouver and into camp everything hurt right like and including the hips And this is four years ago and ultimately they end up requiring surgery So I think the fact that they have staff there that you know are on the ice with with him For these skates sort of monitoring this progression like that's very encouraging so That's those are all That's the first step you write harm Work load and managing work load is important and that but that's not just games and games played That's how we look at it. We're about to enter the first year of mandatory practice goalies in the national hockey league How do you utilize that? Now I know quads is gonna ask me about whether they should carry three I don't think it's gonna be the norm in the NHL But I think it is gonna become more normal And if they're a team that has that it makes it even easier to mitigate the impact Of his practice time and make sure you're not wasting those reps Um in practice now the third part the last one Is how he plays the position and if you go back to Sergei Babrovsky who you know, I mean first ballot hall of famer in my books Um, he's down the cups now had the two best in trophies like He was a guy who broke down a lot Early in his career struggled to say healthy through the grinds now. He changed his training. He worked with a A finished guy who actually has a martial arts background and it's it's a story we've written over at Engle a couple of times over the years And it's fascinating to see you see now we call it the Babrovsky ballet with the way he warms up sort of unique one You know by himself stuff that he does to get prepared to play But his dedication to the craft was there in the early days and he still kept popping groins like there was no tomorrow and missing time Part of the adjustment under Ian Clark at the time was to change the way he went into his post So in urgent situations you still slide in there and slam in there And that's a lot of pressure on the body But recognizing in moments where it wasn't urgent and okay We could initiate our recovery rotation but then recover up to our skates and enter that post upright rather than down and take some of that pressure off Like that was part of the steps he went through with Bob that in addition to changing the training allowed him to become a Very durable gold tender, you know from even before you're a lot arrived in Florida But from then on a guy who hasn't missed a lot of time despite playing a lot and being older so and that progression That's the one that Probably needs to start sooner rather than later because you want that to be something that that sure is comfortable with that it becomes his default in certain situations rather than something he has to think about by the time we get into preseason You don't want to get caught in between right like making a change technically tactically You it takes reps to make it innate and we're talking about limiting reps. So You know, I think that's a process that probably should be starting whenever he's back and on the ice You know changing suddenly some of the sort of some of the Things he does in how he plays can also alleviate Some of those pressure points on his body, but mostly just you know Don't waste it in practice like that's the biggest thing like he his technical game is so he in like one year He mastered all the elements that in Clark wanted him to master and Yeah, you need to find tuna at sometimes But he's not a guy that should be out there repping postplay, you know a hundred times in a practice He hits his spots. He doesn't need to work on it now that the other challenge is unless you change some of those elements Postplay on the pressure on the hips and the pressure on the lower body of being in a reverse VH Aren't just a save selection for him his system was such that anytime the puck went behind the net or was even rimmed around or It would be enter one post hard across to the other post hard and back up It was actually almost like a crease movement pattern. That's the type of thing that probably I don't say has to change But you would probably add more miles and prevent more injuries if you were to make that change now that obviously you know There's the body's just aging in the little compromise You brought up his name a few times there Ian Clark what's his future with the organization here? I don't want to say that I always got the vibe Jim Rutherford didn't like Ian Clark, but I will say I always got the vibe that Before Rutherford it always seemed like okay goal tending Everybody in the organization defaults to Ian and then it kind of felt like Jim Rutherford had some opinions on goal tending that he was happy to share as well Jim Rutherford's not here anymore. We know Ian was part of the decision to take the goal tender in the draft this year What's his future with the organization? Well, I don't know right like I just don't know he's got a ear left on his contract You know again, I'm not sure a lot of people realize that I think that there was an assumption that his contract had ended with thatchers But when he changed from goalie coach To well, he would have preferred goalie director, but they took that title away and made him a scout a year was added to the contract So he's got a year left so they've got a year to figure this out and there's obviously bigger things on Ryan Johnson's plate and sort of figuring out You know what happens after that year he because he's got that contract year There's no rush here at least you know again figure fish to fry What does it look like him being involved in the drafting of the goal tender to me means nothing because his job was to be a goal tending scout and I think Todd Harvey Wax poetic about Medvedev the year before an in Clark's role in That draft as well as as this season so I don't think that's changed the thing that I did notice had changed As he was on the ice with the prospects at development camp and that actually opened my eyes a little bit because in the final season Under the previous regime he was not so and and and you know that's the thing a lot of people might hear that and be like oh, I thought he couldn't coach anymore and I don't believe that was ever the case because of the injuries It was just he couldn't be the day today You know 82 game schedule every morning skate grind it out guy and as I've said before like there were times In his final year in that role where you'd see him in the press box during game and he could hardly walk because the injections He was getting into his knees to sort of mitigate some of that pain. So You know he still wants to be involved At the end of the day we'll see how they how they envision this moving forward beyond here I don't think it's a coincidence that Trenius took a one-year contract as well as part of his extension They're tied in together and I think well a lot of people would assume that That's because Trenius is in sky like he's the one that hired him in the American League first I would caution that that may also be Marco looking at it and Preferring in to be involved if he's going to move forward as well. So The director position whether they reinstate that in order look to rehire him I genuinely don't know RJ when I asked him whether he values a directoral answered by saying he values in Clark So clearly there's a relationship there a trust there But there's also a deep belief in self for in Clark like in terms of what he does what he's capable of doing and what that should cost and It probably is that a value that very few other teams have attached to the position of director so and this is an organization that despite you know continuously saying they have the resources required and will spend whatever Seems to be hedging towards spending less And they wouldn't be alone like this is not me calling the cannots cheap if you take a look at what happened in Pittsburgh This is actually kind of I mean in the goalie coaching world. This is well known, but I don't think anybody outside of it is paid attention They let go of their golden director this summer. They didn't renew John Elkin and if you know how closely John Elkin was tied to Kyle Dubas That's shocked people But that's a new ownership group coming in and saying that it's a redundancy to have a goalie coach and a goalie director and they cut the goalie director now I would I can I would argue and I can provide a lot of examples of the value of a goal-tending director of Calgary would be the way they all work together But I think one of the realities is is is when Ian was the highest or one of the Too-high-spade Billy coaches in the league and again, that's the cannots ownership showing commitment to spending on that resource He also was doing the director role. It was in his title. He was doing all that work. He built out their scout like he was doing so much All under one umbrella whether they're willing to pay him At a similar level to just have the director title as opposed to also taking care of the goalie coaching We'll have to wait and see but I've said in a couple other places to me That's a bit of a canary in the coal mine in terms of saying you're committed and showing you're committed If financing behind that decision isn't there Well, it wouldn't make them unique in the national hockey league it sort of answers a few of those questions about the resources they have These past playoffs are interesting because you look at the goal tenders that kind of made it deep and in the postseason Whether it's Montreal with Dobech Carolina obviously with Anderson and Bussey Vegas with Carter Hart Colorado, Scott Wedgewood goal tenders that weren't necessarily paid a lot against the cap and kind of challenging the previous notion that You need this big brand name number one goal tender to succeed in the playoffs that I think was reinforced when Florida went back to back years with Bob What do you think teams are taking away from this year's playoffs and and that trend of cheaper goal tenders having success are they kind of looking at it as a one-off is it challenging some beliefs internally I'm curious what you think the ripple effect could be on the goal tending industry moving forward Don't actually know like we'll have to wait and see like how how much the trends are paid attention due because I You know, I think I can answer how goalie coaches view some of the trends, but general managers may not see it the same way And I can point to a lot of examples around the league where General managers and people in the management position maybe don't listen to the goalie staff and Quite often it's where we find problems around the league Funny enough. I was on the PDO cast with our friend Dmitry like two days before the eyes are men news You know talking about the co-sus situation and sort of pointing out like that The decisions made around Sebastian co-sus and constantly putting roadblocks in front of him of veteran goalies who frankly were past their You know best before dates who didn't necessarily have some of the upside as some of the young goal tenders They had coming but kept getting contracts and shoved into roles some of the decision making at the NHL level You know head coaches non not the goalie staff, but you know finding certain guys quirky or not liking the way Certain guys do things and and making personnel decisions based on it like to me it was like You're not letting your goalie people be your goalie people You're not letting them make decisions and it was interesting that two days later, you know Steve was moved on and that's an organization where there have literally been people offered jobs in the goalie department that turned them down because they didn't pay enough and be they paid less than some American league teams and be the way they were treated as a goalie department and not listen to wasn't something they had a director of goal-telling walk away to work in a minor hockey organization like walk away from the Detroit Red Wings to go take another job elsewhere. So that's my very long-winded way of saying that how goalie people view trends and how a general managers act on them can often be two different things. I would say this, like one, extenuating circumstances. So like Carter Hart's making what he's making because of other reason. Like Carter Hart was an established goalie, like he's not getting paid for the other part is most of those teams had guys they were paying more that just weren't playing hard, right? Like Aiden Hills in Vegas, they committed to goal-telling. They just didn't use the guy they committed to. I think the overriding theme is volatility and we've seen that for a couple of years now. The game is and this isn't because the goalie suck. This is because the game is changing so rapidly in front of them and the skills required to have success two or three years ago are no longer the same skills required to have success now. Like it's changed. Low danger chances in the last five years are down over 35%. So if you're a goalie, this isn't even a technical thing, but if you're a goalie that relied on a lot of sort of those easy saves to get you into a game, good luck. That doesn't work anymore. And that's just one example of many of how quickly what goalies are being asked to do is changing at the NHL level. And one of the reasons why and I always say that there will be a knock at the door and someone is coming to get my goalie union card soon, but if I was a general manager, I avoid term. So that's one of the trends. I avoid term because of A the volatility and B, what I really need is depth and options because I my number one guy like it's good as Freddie Anderson was and he played longer without issues than I think a lot of people expected in part because they swept everyone and he got lots of rest. I think they expected to go to Brandenbusy and have to go to Brandenbusy a lot earlier. And they sure are glad they had that option, even if it was and kudos to him to do what he did. 40% of the chances he saw in the Stanley Cup final after coming in after two months off. 40% of the chances he saw were high danger. I've seen it written in some places and I'm not going to name names, but that like he just came in and did his job. That's no clue in no understanding as to how hard that job was in Carolina compared to other teams. He changed that series. Like he finished second and goal saved above expected and he only played in four game or sorry, third behind all Mark and Dolby. So having other options and building out a depth chart where you are constantly have young goalies pushing up to at least be an alternative for you. Yeah. Toronto went out and got Sergei Babroski this year. Yes, Toronto traded Dennis Hildbe who had exceptional numbers this season. But they saw limited upside in his game compared to actiama often they know that actiama is coming. So they were able to turn Hildbe into an asset in Nick Paul because they had another guy coming. Like you just need a constant push. And if you're missing that next guy to slot into the right sort of part of your depth chart and you have to go shopping in free agency or on the waiver wire, you better have smart people that understand not just whether they're good goalies, but whether they fit the strengths and weaknesses of your team so that they're going to have success within your system behind your defensive personnel. And that's no longer just what type of chances we give up. It's you know, like for example, Carolina, there are a lot of goalies that would struggle behind that system. Freddie Anderson had an 868 expected save percentage in the regular season this year. 868. That's what an average goalie would be expected to stop behind the Carolina Hurricanes playing Freddie Anderson's minutes this year. So everybody talks about him having a huge down season in one of the toughest environments we've seen in recent history. Being able to survive that and still have your a game come playoff as it tightened up. Like that's a skill in its own and it's a lot harder to sort of diagnose and find. And it and when we get into a situation where free agency this year had two goalies above expected last season two goalies on the whole UFA list had a season last year that finished up where they outplayed their defensive environment. One is inside. Like Connor Ingram is the Kevin Lankin and of several years ago. I don't understand why teams aren't looking at him. The other one barely finished above expected had an exceptional first two months and then dropped off a cliff a little bit and their team decided not to bring him back. So you wonder, you know, if there's a reason for the drop off that they saw about the start being sustainable. And that's Danielle Terraceau. So those are two guys. So if you're a team that doesn't have your depth chart rounded up and you don't have that push this year and you're missing a guy. You can't even really afford a shop in free agency because the options aren't great. You need to you're better to look at the waiver wire. I can probably find goalies on the waiver wire that will have more success in the national hockey league than what's left on the outside of Ingram on the UFA list. Amazing. It's at one more before we let you go. You touched on for agency there. But Brodsky was the big fish going to Toronto and Toronto is in such an interesting spot with kind of a maker break season in the context of Austin Matthews' future. And another goal goalie sort of with the Florida connection. What was interesting was Jacob Marksham going back to Florida after a challenging season in New Jersey. And it's not as if his contract extension which kicks in is cheap either. What did you make of those two fits? Because I think those are two of the highest profile ones. The ones that I also as a non goalie expert. I'm unsure whether they're going to work out for those respective teams. Marksham and Florida and Buprovsky and Toronto because both are coming off very difficult regular seasons and yet both have exceptional pedigree. Okay. So actually I want to rewind and finish the last answer before I go to that one because one of the trends that I didn't mention we talked about waivers. If you're a team paying attention to it. If I'm identifying better goalies on waivers than are available in UFA. The question becomes are those goalies going to hit waivers? And that's a trend for GMs to consider right now here in Vancouver in the Kinex conversation to borrow your show's title for part of this. It'll be Nikita tolepilo. Do they dare risk sending him down? Can they afford to lose him on waivers? But the truth is they also have first priority for waiver claim. And there are going to be other guys around the league that I think are going to end up on waivers that are very attractive. Goleies who had a down season last year but two years ago were really good. Like think of a Levi Marillainin who had an exceptional year two years ago fell off a cliff this year when the pressure and the expectations changed. But if you're a team looking at him and you see him and I've had guys make comparisons. The physical tools are similar to Jacob Daubech. If you think that it was just hey, he wasn't ready for the expectations and we'll give him better opportunity here. You know, are you claiming him there or I don't think every team like I don't think this is going to be common but it's going to be more common. Do we see teams that are like I'm waiting for this guy to get on waivers and I'm going to take him and he doesn't appear on waivers because teams decide to take three and hold three buffal is already talking about it Seattle did it last year. I think there's an expectation Edmonton's going to do it. I think we will see that trend increase and that will affect the teams that are and other teams that aren't planning on doing it like, you know, Boston moves on from Bosse goes to Florida gets claimed by Carolina. Boston decided that Michael D Pietro who should have been in the NHL last year and that's what Brandon Bosse told me who played with him in Boston like they decided we can't afford to lose this guy. Let's trade Corpus Salle to create the space. Well, then now look at the New York Rangers. Dylan Garand had an exceptional tiny admittedly tiny sample. Now he's they've got a decision with him. They brought in Corpus Salle. They've got Schistarck and do they risk Dylan Garand going on waivers. So it'll be really interesting to see obviously be claim a guy you got to keep a guy but that's a two it that's two sided if more teams start keeping three it's a this guy might not be on waivers and b. Yeah, we're going to claim them we're happy to keep three because we think this is a part of the way the game is going with it, you know, especially with a salary cap where we're not as many teams are so up against it. So finishing that thought now I promise harm turning my attention to your question. What if in the mix of Toronto and Florida, I had a third team that might actually be the biggest winners of those moves and that's the New Jersey Devils. I love what they did there. Jay Kalan was sixth in adjusted save percentage last year like in a small sample. He was well above expected the year before like his two seasons in New Jersey have been phenomenal. Now does that mean it's going to translate if he's playing more, you know, to the same degree he's he's been around a long time. I would argue he doesn't have as many miles on that body because he hasn't had as many starts but I mean he was. He in a bigger role, he gets into the Vesna conversation. And that's in a bad environment. Like we talked about expected, say percent, as Jacob Markstrom's expected, say percent of his new Jersey last year was 877. Nobody says how bad a year it was. Most of that was environment. You know, their first year underkeep, they took a step defensively. Last year they were like between 26 and 28 and most of the key defensive metrics that I have. Not good. So that's like, so my counting on a Markstrom bounce back in Florida where he's going to be a behind a much better defensive environment. I think it's a safe bet. His raw numbers will improve no matter what. Will they, will his performance relative to environment improve? The one question I have is Florida's a little bit like Carolina. Like they don't give up a ton. But when they do give it up, it can be high quality. And Jacob throughout his career has been a goalie that likes to be busy. He needs volume to be at his best or at least traditionally. So this is an adjustment he's going to have to make as the game changes. And as I said, like more than 35% decrease in low danger shots, you can't count on that anymore. And you can't say, well, I just don't get the feel of the puck. Like you just have to find a way to live in that world. And traditionally he's been a guy who hasn't lived as well in that world. And so is that a fit in Florida? That's the only question I have. But I think he'll bounce back just because the environment is going to be so much better. I think Jake Allen's going to be fine. Nico Dawes comes into the two role in New Jersey. And I have questions there. He was great in a three game sample this past season, because he didn't give up any bad goals in those three games. In all of his previous NHL experience, that guy stops the tough stuff, high danger stuff. The numbers will tell you he gives up a low danger goal every second game. So maybe fewer low danger shots for him is a good thing, because you can't live in a world where your goalie's given up a low danger goal every second game. Unless the guy at the other end reciprocates, your team loses 85% of the games where your guy gives up a stink. That's just a reality. But if he's solved that, like if he's found a way, whether it's adjusting his stance and his stance transition leads to some of those long distance goals, whether it's a mindset thing too much tension in his game, whether it's positional. If he's solved that to the point where last year's small sample is the new norm, he's got the upside to make all the tough stuff. And you could end up with a 10. I'm there that everybody's like, what are they doing? And they can end up being the best of the three teams involved. Bob was 47 goals below expected by ClearSight's number over his seven seasons in Florida in the regular season. And then in the playoffs, exceptional. So is Toronto a good enough team to survive below expected goal tending in the regular season and still get to the playoffs? That becomes part of this equation. Because I think there will be an adjustment to systems and personnel that he hasn't had to undergo in years getting comfortable in Florida. And the reality is all the things that he does well, he still does them in the regular season, but they don't come out in the numbers. So maybe the big moment saves when it's 4/4 is enough for the Toronto Maple Leaf. But if they're counting on him to outplay his environment by a significant margin, he only did it once in the seven seasons he was in Florida. And I think the environment will matter. Toronto has been good defensively slip last year, but under Barubay, they looked like they had a better defensive identity even last year, even if it wasn't as good as his first season as the head coach there. Obviously Jim Hiller with a similar profile, that's going to be important. Because as much as Bob had six of those seven years, we're sort of below expected. Four of them were just like one goal every 200 shots, half a percentage point. Not huge, like almost to the point where you could consider it noise statistically. But the two seasons that were precipitously below expected, including last year where he was, forget, a goal every 200 shots, try two goals every 100 shots, below expected. The save percentage was down at 883, the expected environment down at 883. So does Toronto give him, deliver him the predictability of say an 890 where he can trust his environment or they down in that low 880 range? Because when it gets into there, that's where his numbers really fall off of cliff. And then playoff Bob is a different animal. So if you get to playoff Bob, and you've made the playoffs in your Toronto Maple Leaf, that's where that bet, at least statistically, for seven years now, that's where that bet really starts to pay off. Kevin, you're the best man. Thanks so much for doing this. We appreciate your time. It took lots of it today. Go enjoy that golf tournament. Hope the rain stays away for you. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. What did you guys get? I got 40 minutes out of four questions. That's not bad. This is why you guys want to be gone. You just wanted to have a little map. Quats has got glasses on. Like he's just hiding the fact his eyes are actually closed behind fake open eyes. Arms just actually got the glass. You got it. Lots of fake attention to gold for me. You know, I pay attention to gold tending. But you told me, oh, yeah, I got till 10. The question started at 957 and it's 1009 and you just wrapped up the answer. We love you, buddy. Thanks for doing it. This is why I'm famous for coming in hot for the golf events. Love it. Thanks, Kevin. Thanks, guys. There is Kevin Woodley presentation of our friends over at Greta great spot for all games home and away vibes downtown are still great. So make sure you head on down to Greta. They've got the street food menu. They've got the bar. And of course, they've got those arcade games 50 West coronavirus street is the address. Let the games begin. OK. That's a fun interview. I had always nice talking to Kevin. I always feel so much smarter after listening to Woodley talk about goalies. And I could genuinely listen to him talk about goalies all day. Unlike my old cohost, we put a limit on how up you're allowed to have Kevin on the show. OK, let's get to our bet. 3 6 5. Bad of the day. Baseball is back. I just haven't did. Hey, Jacob, did my WNBA bet hit it while you looked that up. It was Sophie Cunningham, 10 plus points and Caitlin Clark 15 plus points in the Indiana Fever's last game. So look that up. While Jacob does that, I'll tell you my bet of the day with baseball today. Tonight, the New York Yankees take on the LA Dodgers. Garrett Cole has taken the bump for the Yankees. Yankees are underdogs in this game. I like the Yankees here. I'm going to take Yankees against Sasaki starting for the Dodgers. So I'm going to take Yankees money line at minus 105 odds. That'll be a great game. I think that's one of the regular season baseball games that everybody should be getting up for. Getting excited to watch. So yeah, Yankees money line minus 105. The worst thing about hockey season is that at some point every year, it ends. There's a lot of time between now and the first puck drop of next season, which feels like an eternity for those of us used to nightly games. The good news is that bet 3 6 5 still has plenty of games, just none that require lacing up your skates. At bet 3 6 5 casino, you could choose between hundreds of slots, live tables, and your favorite games. Must be 19 or older. Please play responsibly. All right, Jacob, did we have the answer? Unfortunately, you missed it by one Caitlyn Clark bucket. She had an unusual one for eight from three and that only got 13 points. Jacob, book Caitlyn Clark. I got some things to say. I'll see what I can do for you. Thanks. All right, harm anything else? No, I think it would be good. So we'll wrap it up there. Have a great weekend, folks. Thanks for spending your Friday with us. For my coast, Armadale, and our technical producer, Jacob Azart, my name is David Woodjelly. Thanks so much for the sit-off. Can I ask a conversation? [MUSIC PLAYING]