Judges Need to Stay Out of College Football + 1 on 1 with Sean McDonough | The BFW Show 8.20.26

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So Brandon Walker calls football show I am Brandon Walker Liam Blutman is alongside me Lucy Blutman's on the ones and twos hello here we go college football we're going to talk about it I was just thinking Liam before we get started I have several things to say before we get started first of all chat fill in here podcast listeners thank you everybody please like the YouTube stream and please subscribe if I can have let's see if I can have I need 100,000 subscribers by like week three how about the 70 we've added about 20,000 in the last couple of weeks so we need to get to 100 I'm thinking maybe Liam of a marathon unblocking stream where I am block 18,000 people and I do the I do all 18,000 and but you guys got subscribed during the stream that could take a while I don't know that's just something I'm throwing around in my mind Do you even know not to question your ball knowledge because you're young but the young kids now even know what the big eight conference was of course I know at the big eight conference was by wasn't hip to it like I wasn't watching it's a great logo so you're what you're aware you just yeah it's like the pack 12 like the kids these days don't know well there we had we had two conferences we had the big eight in the southwest conference and they kind of merged kind of and became the big 12 that's what we had the big eight the big eight was the ones the north half of of the big 12 like the southwest conference was all the Texas schools and Arkansas not all the Texas schools like TCU wasn't there but hold on all right hold on Southwest conference was Oklahoma Texas wait no hold on hold on everybody everybody calm down big eight Kansas Kansas State Iowa State Nebraska Missouri Colorado I work on it later I work on it later anyway God bless the big eight God bless call us football we got several things to talk about first of all I'm very angry at Liam Liam has a YouTube channel you should go subscribe to and he has a an interview he did with Drew Mestermaker that you should go watch and you can go watch it after this or you could have watched it before I don't know it was a good interview Liam thoughts by thoughts are you should subscribe to Liam Blutman channel Drew Mestermaker is incredible great young humble kid heck of an arm he's got a little bit of fineness he needs to come out with shell a bit more but that happens with time and he's going to compete for the high five he's going to compete for the highest one this year checking in from Newton from Hickory Mississippi Newton County thank you chat best Mexican restaurant I read that was in Newton County it's called Mexico Linda it's gone yeah it's crazy but it was great it was phenomenal I'm not one to tip off and let you go watch the competition but I believe I don't know when his show is I think it's a seven Josh paid has a show to and I'm on it tonight I went there yesterday went to Nashville say they're about an hour and a half and was there for you know we did a 90 minutes of good interview saw a lot of people and check it out I think it was a very very fun and out of respect for his channel and his show and if you guys like me like this I didn't cuss I think I said bullshit one time didn't really so so it's it's a cleaner version of Brandon Walker lastly before we go on I got to thank everybody when people want to send me stuff for the for the background I let him I let him send it and shout out to the cost for ball playoff that I got a letter from the cost for ball playoff today and they sent me a minister trophy so there you go I got that right there how about that it's very cool yeah that is pretty cool and what you can't tell is there's a there's a density to it like a heft and I know you don't really understand but there's a there's a weight to it there's a weight to it there's something yeah there's there's something there's something to it got I got this book what book part of my book it's okay what book is it part part in me it's called part of my book I think you're in it I don't think I am I have at least I haven't found myself Bristol Wisconsin shit you're right across the room for me all right hello what were we got so I have three things voicemails and tonight a happy fun thing for me Sean McDonough's on the show he has trouble with the snap Sean McDonough Sean McDonough brain slides he is safe Sean McDonough 40 years he's been doing this crap man 44 years he's been doing this unbelievable we got talked to Sean McDonough about the big games he's had about his partnership with macaroni about all these great things Sean fucking McDonough's on the show tonight that'll be the interview at the end. All right here we go I got three things and then we'll get to here's my three things I'm going to talk about the judges in college football I'm going to talk about the top five teams the more I think about the more I think I was I'm a little low on them the more I think about they're going to be pretty good I start to turn the corner on these five teams I get to those in a minute and then I have kept myself away from this but I'm going to some uniform reveals. That's going to be a big day deal we talked earlier before you left made sure you didn't see a few of them I'm excited for it. I just want to warn the audience I've officially gotten to the point where I'm doing glasses so that might happen. Get yourself used to it get yourself ready now now I can't see the screen but I can see the I can see the words down here. So deal with this make whatever piece with whatever God you got to make peace with whatever just do it just just know that occasionally this might happen. That's all all right number one get these judges out of college football. I have done a good job of focusing most of my passions in college football only things I'm passionate about I don't say much about valuations I don't talk about NIL that much I don't really get into the collective. And all that stuff I just focus on what I see on the field judging it and all that stuff as such whenever there's a ruling where five you can have five years to play I just going about my business. Once they took all the regional conferences away from me and once they took all the college football on you I just decided I would I would focus on the field I'm not going to be a guy who gets into the minutia. Roast challenges incredible at it all these guys are incredible at it I'm not somebody's going to get the minutia of it I just want to say this over the last 24 to 48 hours another ruling has been handed down by another judge every couple of weeks we have a judge dabbling in college football. And now we have players who have graduated or finished in college football they've gone on the training camps now those guys see the money back in college football they realize they're fighting for scraps. They are fighting for absolute scraps in the NFL they're hoping to make a roster hoping to make the league minimum this year but over here over my shoulder there's $1.5 million to play one more year at Ole Miss or LSU I'm just using those an example. There's a lot of money back here and it's real hard to get it up here and so a judge in Louisiana said guess what guys go for transfer portal has to open because I say it has to open. Everybody likes to complain that the NCAA is toothless everybody likes to complain the NCAA can't do anything everybody likes to complain that the NCAA is powerless and they don't matter. And everyone during the transfer portal and then NIO rollout is begging for someone an authority figure to step up and put the Kai Bosch on things. rule of law is going to be everybody wants that I just broke my wrist on my microphone everybody wants that until it can affect your team until you can see an advantage Texas Tech wants to rule of law until they need bringing source B to play now they've since washer hands of it it's all good I'm just using that as an example Ole Miss went and got a judge in Calhoun County one County over from Lafayette County to say hey Trinidad Chambers can play Texas Tech out of the judge now Louisiana judge has said these players can do this everybody wants a rule of law until they find a little bit of wiggle room they get their judge to say this and it just makes me ashamed it makes me ashamed that our legal system has guys that because of where they went to school will sit on a bench do a check mark and say my school can do whatever they want it's fucking seconding it's fucking crazy I can't believe we're letting the judicial system and college football mess like this where if your program wants to skirt some rules all they got to do is find a friendly judge is that not fucking blowing y'all's mind fucking stop that's crazy college football is very important to me any judge important fuck that's all I have to say about that plus and I'll let Liam talk to this at some point guys at some point eligibility time all of it has to matter these guys are going to the NFL and seeing that they're not going to make a team and turn around and going right back college football it's over you've already cashed some checks you put on the helmet you put on the uniforms Liam I know you're passionate about this go for it yeah I feel like a decade ago I have actually had to pay my stomach ring all this news of guys entering the portal going back to college after they've played preseason games had to sex bin on it currently on an active yeah Cleveland Brown's roster like I'm numb to it now this has been happening far too long let's not kid ourselves college sports has always been the Wild West with under the table payments money in hamburger bags like it's always been suspect but when you're bringing the dude the judicial branch I can't say that we're just learn that wow judicial branch into things and you're bending all these rules and you're creating all these loopholes where we talk about mostly today LeBron James what's to say like legitimately what is to say he can't be like hey I haven't used any college eligibility I'm 50 years old maybe I want to play at Akron and try and bring them to the final four well you'd probably win national championship Akron LeBron but like that stuff is so crazy me we have we live in a world that were your actions no longer have consequences somehow some way brand Walker if I'm a 12 if I was 12 years old when I was 12 years old I said hey mom that I want to play for for this baseball team that has more of my friends on it well that's why I'm going to go and do and guess what happens if we're a bad team and I'm not having a fun summer or whatever that's on me blood's on my hands I deal with it I made the decision I'd end up not getting playing time or whatever where I could be on the better team got more playing time you live with the decision so I don't know what's going on where there's this flip flop in where you were saying hey these guys are grown men they're adults and then we're also coddling them and being like let's let them make sure every decision they make is correct what where is the translation gang lost I'm very confused yeah it's in it makes me go cross eyed man I'm just so damn tired of every time you turn around somebody is looking for an avenue to skirt the system and to say oh there are no rules well yeah but maybe if we acted like there were rules it would be better right maybe if we acted like there was authority maybe if we acted like we held ourselves some standard of decorum and integrity maybe then this shit wouldn't be going crazy every fucking week is that enough to ask is that too much to say hey everybody act with integrity and decorum and everything like this like you got some sense no just go get a judge all right cheat all you want then it's just it's bullshit okay I have multiple multiple multiple things to tell you about this sponsor over my shoulder I'll talk about the best teams and the country but there's no doubt the best candy in the country is right here it is Reese's of course Reese's the official candy partner of barstool sports I'm about to get into my five teams that I'm turning the corner on that I originally was too low on and now I'm getting higher and higher as we get close but I've always been high on Reese's nothing better than the old school peanut butter cup I like the the likes and the hearts and the chat for for Reese's right now thank you very much nobody nobody dislikes Reese's it is it is the absolute best you can get it wherever you shop right now Reese's the official candy partner of barstool sports go get Reese's wherever you shop all right five teams five teams we got Sean McDonough coming up I'm gonna kind of go through these pretty fast because I want to just be respectful to everybody's time here five teams that I I lowkey can I ask you a question yeah do you think do you think it was wise to put the five teams on the screen before I have unveiled any of the five teams yeah I'm just asking I'm just asking as the producer of the show and I've not given you you know I've kind of let you do your own I've kind of let you do your own thing do you think it was wise when I said I'm gonna roll out my five teams that you put all five on the bottom of the screen well five teams also all right and it kind of runs a surprise kind of runs a surprise to the first one because this fan base they're just a bunch of babies and they think oh I'm so mean to them I saw this no I tell the truth I tell the truth at all times sometimes the truth is favorable to a team sometimes it's an unfavorable to a team but I'm gonna tell the truth now I think I've been too negative about Michigan coming into the season and I don't remember who it was was it was it McShay or no it was who was a guy before McShay stables yeah I was staples I think it was staples when staples said Michigan might make the playoff and I thought to myself what in the world wouldn't the hell is wrong with you did what wouldn't in the world are you talking about and then he's like you know they went nine and three last year and I got to thinking I got to looking I got to thinking I got to looking so I ordered to myself to go back and really look at Michigan now last year they went nine and three with a with a empty coaching staff because their schedule was so damn easy and the schedule is tougher this year but one of the principles that I live by and I tried people over is we haven't forgotten to let quarterbacks develop we have acted like the first thing we ever see about a quarterback is the thing he's going to be for the rest of his career and that's not true and with Bryce Underwood there's two things here number one last year he was a true freshman thrown into the mix in a very tough conference and he was sink or swim and he mostly sank he wasn't good he wasn't that good but the number two thing is he had less than zero coaching last year he had negative coaching he had a coach who had no idea what he was doing he had a coach who was only there because he was a scapegoat for the last group that's the only reason he ever got the job they left him holding the bag he was never qualified to be the head coach of Michigan and then we found out later we see how it ended like hey through Bryce Underwood out there without any thought to building the game plan around Bryce Underwood skill set at that point in his career he simply just threw him out there now you get one of the the better coaching coaches and coaching staffs in the country now they got a real coach with a real coaching staff schedule is tougher that is making no mistake about it but the defense will be solid I need the running game looks like they got some weapons receivers got at least one or two nice weapons and then if the quarterback takes a step forward Michigan can be in the mix Michigan can absolutely be in the mix so I've been too low on Michigan number three number two excuse me the Washington Huskies I know we're staying in the big 10 but so much attention is on Indiana Oregon Ohio State at the top those next three or four in the big 10 are kind of fascinating too the Michigan Penn State Washington Iowa like they've all got something about them that is pretty damn good with Washington is two things I see it's the quarterback now I have kind of slow played them because demon Williams to me doesn't even want to be there like he wanted to transfer he wanted to go to LSU for the money but let's just say that the money's gotten right at Washington or the situation's gotten right right and he feels fine he's good he's happy he's he's good to be there he's gotten over the little thing where LSU offered him all the money in the world and now he's happy back at Washington if he's happy now they have a schedule they're gonna have a lot to say about the big 10 race they have I got it right here they're gonna start 4-0 the first four games are very very easy they have Iowa Penn State Indiana all at home these are three of the top six teams in the big 10 their toughest road games are at Oregon at USC they can go 10 and two if they were to sweep those home games they go 10 and two they go 93 they could be very much in the mix I like Washington number three is Tennessee Tennessee has everything but quarterback. I believe the five star fresh. Oh, let me stop you there. Let me stop there. Michigan and Washington, I was too low on them. Now I'm turning around. What do you think, Bloodman? Oh, hey, Brown Walker. Sorry, I forgot you were there. No, no, it's okay. Washington, the kid row bucket wider, see if I would really keep an eye on their high on them. They are starting a true freshman left tackle. Cody Green, monster. But, you know, again, like you said with quarterback play early evaluation, if it doesn't start hot, like give them time. Michigan, I'm not messing with you on. Okay. So you're not turning the corner on Michigan. No, I'm trusting. I'm giving underwood time by am trusting. I really didn't like why I saw with them. And again, I know that I know I like the staff. I know you like the staff. That Oklahoma game. If that defense is as good as you think they are, that shatters a man's confidence early in the year. Does it not? It does. But what if they beat Oklahoma 13 to 10? That does a lot for a man's confidence. Right. What if he doesn't, there's no guarantee. John Matier and that offense is rolling into Michigan, scoring a lot of points. A hundred percent. So, so like, yeah, I don't think underwoods going to torch the Oklahoma defense. But I have no guarantee. And I think Oklahoma's going to win that game. But like, it's 60, 40, maybe 55, 45 that they go in that game to me. Yeah. I have Michigan as like my, I guess, complete wild card team. Like, I think they'd be my number one wild card in the country. I don't know what to make of them. Number three team is Tennessee. I'll get to Tennessee now. Everything but the quarterback. And they got a freshman quarterback phase on Brandon that eventually will be the guy. Will he be the guy and good in the SEC in 2026? I imagine we're going to find out. But I think, you know, the running back, I like, I like the, make sure I got it right. Bishop kid, right? They got that. They got great. They got some good receivers, defense. They got some puzzle pieces to put together. But if I've got a freshman quarterback and I got weapons all over the field, there's probably about four or five coaches. I really trust with a quarterback to get the most out of him. And I think Hypo's on that list. Hypo after what he did with hand in hooker. And even last year, what he did with the, come on, help me. Aguilar. Aguilar. Thank you very much. I think what he did with the last couple of quarterbacks outside of Joe Milton. I think he's been, he's been really good. And I trust that Tennessee is going to going to be able to do something. Their schedule is not the toughest thing in the SEC. It's tough, but they're all tough in the SEC. So I like, I like Tennessee. I like Tennessee a lot. And I know it kind of went sideways, but Jim knows is there defense record later? Is he not? Yes. Kind of redemption arc for him. Not one, not really redemption. I mean, the guy, guy won a national championship, but like pretty good defensive coordinator at times in his career. Lastly, I'll go through these very quickly. Two teams. I've kind of turned the corner on what's Virginia. I just, I'm almost kicking myself that I haven't been moral in this year. They won 11 games last year. Bober Bula, I think, has a chance to be pretty good. I don't know if it fit at Missouri, but they didn't exactly try to make it fit. They just kind of let him turn and hand it off. Broke that coaching staff has done some pretty good things over Virginia with some transfer quarterbacks with Chandler Morris. And now I think they got a chance. And not only him, they got the kid backing him up. I don't know. Have they, have they named the starter yet? I assume it's going to be appropriate. I think they've named it, but the backup Holstein. Yeah, Holstein from pit. So I like Virginia. It's a wide open conference where you win nine games. And I think people have just kind of ignored the fact that they fuck, they played for the big, the ACC championship last year. And then lastly, Minnesota. It's the PJ Flex baseline, plus Drake Lindsey, Drake Lindsey. Sneaky, really good over there as a freshman. I think they're going to be solid. You know, I hate that two of the teams, I'm kind of high on the here, late in the process, South Carolina and Minnesota, two of the teams of my team plays in the first week or first couple of weeks of the season, both on the road. But yeah, Minnesota, I think they're very quiet in the big big 10. There's a couple of teams that aren't expected to have much. There's a lot of teams in big 10 to expect it to have a little or to have a lot. And then right in the middle is like Minnesota, right in the middle. They're not per due bad. They're not anybody bad. Maybe Nebraska's in the middle with them. Maybe Maryland. No, Maryland's at the bottom. Who's in the middle? Wisconsin. Maryland. No, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan state. Maybe hopes to hopes there in the middle. But anyway, I like Minnesota out of that group. And those are my five teams that I have, I'm starting to turn around and believe in a little bit more as we go further. Somebody says, Houston feels very dangerous. Well, I've had them as a as a surprise team all year. I have them as a French playoff team in the big 12. I think they're probably the second or third best team in that conference. I think they're really good. Probella is cheek sprando. And it's that kind of high level analysis that qualifies you to be a fan. He's not cheeks. He started off pretty good last year. I'm not sure the coaching he got was great. I think Probella can be salvaged in that conference in the ACC. You got any teams that come to mind when this subject is brought up? I fully disagree with you on this. So I think Minnesota takes a step back this year from. I hope so. Yeah, I think they're looking at maybe a five six win season. I think it's going to be bleak for them. I feel like this is a fool's gold. I don't know, dude, teams like I completely agree with Washington's always scary, but to me, Washington hasn't been able to take that next step and beat that top tier team in the last few years and get that true signature win to show that they are a power that they are. I think there's two and nine on the road in the big 10. I think I've got it. No, that's not good. No, the more I think about the more I think about Kentucky, I get really excited about that Louisville Kentucky hatred, the end of the season. Maybe Kentucky is flirting with being a top 25 team. I'm very excited for that. But I've been shouting out Kentucky a lot like that offensive rebuild offensive line that they put together of some really good transfers. The quarterback, I think I think Kentucky's very possibly going to get one of Alabama LSU in September. 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Is there something on the helmet there that are great? The block M on the side. I think it's really good. Okay. Yeah. It looks solid. It looks a bit Vanderbilted. Now that I see this picture. Yeah. All of all the pictures he has are facing me. So I don't even see the block M on the side. And once again, just just anything they got anything they can turn the head to the side. Anything they can turn the head to the side would be would do wonders here. Let me find if they got better. I see it right there. Block M on the side. How many more how many how many other ones we got? Navy has the best uniforms in the country says Austin Greib. Austin. I appreciate you being here. Shut the fuck up about Navy football. Every single thing you said is about Navy Navy Navy Navy Navy. Don't show up in the chat whining about attention, please. I talk about everybody eventually. You just showed up like, please, but Navy is this Navy is the best stadium Navy is the best this God bless the Navy God bless Army God bless Air Force God bless them all. Don't be in the chat being like, please talk about me. Uh, now what have we got? Um, now now we got something. You tall state football blast to the past bringing our 1992 95 logo for homecoming on September 26. And that's a cow running through the you. Yeah, that's a cow run through the little guy blowing smoke. That's good. That's a good logo Have you done any work to try to get me that helmet? No, not yet. Oh She could just said yeah, could you say yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's just a tweet It was just said, uh-huh. I'll get on it. No, you're like Children's book the cow jumping over the moon. I think that's just that's what it's that's just an old fable I believe I don't know if it's a book. Oh, it's a book. Is it a book? Yeah, it's just a it's just a some sort of allegory or fable I could picture it hold on. It's just is it is that a stop is a stop on that shit? Oh You might be oh, it's hey diddle diddle The cat in the fiddle No, diddy I also I Accidentally Google the cow humping over the moon. I did I put agents that shake Do you have any more you have any more on uniform rule? Texas tech the Patrick my homes. Let's ride uniform debut in 918 26 All right got a little red there, you know, Dylan. I always kicking himself right now that he can't oh, that's pretty sick That's pretty good pretty slick Texas tech shout out to Texas tech. I was again some he on the Twitter's earlier because I The Mahomes on the front of the helmet. I was like that's kind of crazy. I Mean if you got him a homes in your bag. I'm why not why not use him, you know? I guess I guess I'm in the camp of I wear in another man's name on my helmet like that, but you know Why not? I don't know man. I think the Jersey's great. I love what about in fiber. What about mr. Radell? That's so different. No, ah, you don't think that's different George, let's see. What do you think about? We're gonna get the voicemails to say what do you think about Alabama Tennessee announcing? They're both gonna wear their home uniforms. They want to be so happy want to be an orange Okay, I'm a little bit of Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park right now where I'm like, you know We got caught up and thinking that we can do this without thinking should we do this? It works for Alabama Tennessee. It works for the Crimson. It works for the orange We just got to monitor this power going forward if now the the the damn has burst now like I'm trying to think of two teams that will like Nebraska and Wisconsin can't do it. We can't have red everywhere No, so we can't have we can't have Florida and Auburn play in each other like this We got to have certain certain guidelines here that the colors have to be different enough and Alabama Tennessee are that so they're fine, but like Red against Maroon how we can't do like it all depends on school and match up We can't use this for Rutgers. I won the Friday night. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. All right, so just maybe we'll let like five or six Roveries do this if they won't do but not everybody can do this So I said somebody says NC State and UNC need to now that looks good that okay, who can do it? Who should be able to do it? Because NC State UNC. Yes Duke UNC. No Duke UNC maybe I think Duke UNC is a maybe too. Yeah, I do too. Washington, Oregon is a hard yes Oregon, Oregon State is a yes as well. Okay, this is weird because it's it's very close. Is Texas Oklahoma? Yes or no? I think Texas, Oklahoma has to be a no because Texas is orange isn't isn't bright enough I just think it's because it's such a classic uniform matchup when they're home row either way. You can't mess with that Kentucky Louisville. That's a yes. I will allow it. All right. Now we're playing now we're playing some ball here. Yes, the bloods crypts nature of it all works every time you see LA USC It works. Yes, I get that you grew up in Los Angeles. Just shut up about it. Just there for like four years. Auburn, Alabama Don't mess with it. Don't mess with it. Okay. Okay. All right. Florida Miami. No Florida Florida State Florida State is a maybe Miami, Florida State I go now as I go now to the orange and the orange and the current Scarlet what they call Scarlet. It's too close. I'll I'll state Yes Although I was one of those rare teams. I think they're I think they're better look or the white uniforms I don't know if you agree with that. I think both are terrific looks. I can't hate either way I think there's certain certain uniforms that look better which I know it's sacrilege because they got black uniforms But they they something about that that white uniform popping with the anyway, we can do this again. Who the highest state Michigan Blue against Gray, that's never worked out for me. The Scarlet Yeah, oh, sorry. I was thinking about something else. All right, we can play with that all day long. 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You're spending the helps lower your bills So you can grow your savings let rocket money help you reach your financial goals faster join it rocket money.com slash Brandon that's rocket money.com slash brand and rocket money.com slash Brandon BYU Utah Yeah, when they've done that I think they did last year. It's terrific. Yeah, did you see the boys he stayed helmet? Oh, you see LA USC I mentioned that I didn't hear you. Oh, okay. It was during the blood crypts talk. Okay. Uh, no, I didn't see the boys you stayed helmet today Or just a helmet. Yeah, this one. I'm very curious to see how you feel. Oh, dear Lord. That's a lot hold on hold on I have not seen that My first gut reaction. Okay, 40 on that side. Let me go back to the other one Okay I think I love it. No, I know I love it. I okay, especially that side I don't know if I love the 40 on the other side if I if I just love the blue chart. This is a blue turf thing, right? Yeah, 40 years of blue turf hand painted helmet. I think Utah started the hand paint. You know what? I fucking love it I fuck hand painted helmet. It looks it looks like a piece of art. It looks like something that That somebody want a contest to describe to do and I do I love it. I fucking love that helmet. Okay Get me that helmet. Okay, what men get me that helmet. I got listen. I got right now. We got reaches over here But I got an Iowa State helmet. I got helmets. I want this whole fucking thing filled with helmets All right, who's the one we had the other day that I'm working on? Is it you TSA? No, why don't you TSA? Is it? Yeah, who do we like? I thought it was you TSA. Wasn't you TSA? Okay, I thought I didn't remember. I got work on Youngstown State too What we what we're doing with Youngstown State? I just love penguins. Yeah, I love penguins too. They're they're they're good. They're a solid bird, man Um, all right Las Vegas tourism. How many voicemails you got there, lookie? 12 we can do however many we're not doing 12. I can tell you that much and I'd listen I'll give the chat credit where it's due sometimes when I see a good line. I'm just gonna read it Mitch chat Michigan chat it looks like 40 years of turf also described describes Brandon's facial hair with that's just well done That's the well done oh two lanes to helmet that we're re that we've got on the way. I believe that Marty grow helmet Uh, Mitch chat. That's just that's just well done Um, the road to Vegas the College Football National Championship is in Vegas for the first time. Where is it? Bing Did you hear that? Bing No better place to watch college football all season along you want to pull part of your rooftop bar The best sportsbooks in the world unreal food the best entertainment. 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Who is the most likely to miss the playoffs? Okay, so let's let's go through that. It is the top seven championship contenders that I've had our Indiana Ohio state organ Texas Georgia Miami Notre Dame I think Notre Dame is almost a lock with that schedule. I think Miami is is Relatively close to a lock. I think Georgia. I feel very good about You asked me which of the top seven I see the highest probability of missing the playoff entirely I think it's the Texas Longhorns I think the Texas Longhorns are a boom or bus team the boom could be the National Championship But the bust is it's a very tough schedule. It's a very tough schedule Oklahoma Hold on I need any Texas schedule Ohio State early if they lose at Ohio State game the margin of error is gone for the season and Arches confidence is probably shot. I think it's I think it's Texas Indiana's also got a tough schedule. No, Ohio State has a tough schedule So so I don't think Ohio State's a lock. I don't think Texas is a lock. I don't think Indiana's a lock Oregon's close to a lock Notre Dame is a lock I would go Texas to there's so much boom and bust potential. There's so much bust potential in that schedule That's that's all I would have to say what about you Liam of those seven teams. Who do you think you could see missing the playoff? I mean, I've been saying Texas like two three weeks now. I'm leaning well Well more towards missing the playoff than making it to like the final four Yeah, let me just let's read it because I forgot what my producer is a high probability that they win eight games in Sarkis and coaching their next year on his own accord I don't know about high probability, but it is not it is not an impossibility. I'll give that to you They open with Texas state and they got Ohio State at home UTSA their at Tennessee. There's nothing nice about going to the whole stadium They got Oklahoma and the neutral site game in Dallas Florida at home. Oh miss at home. Mississippi State at home at Missouri at LSU Oklahoma on neutral site at Tennessee. Ohio State at home. That's fucking nasty and think about think about the pressure on these I was gonna call him kids, but like they're not kids anymore. Think about the pressure in those final two games man Yeah, but you're fighting for a playoff spot and that's what you've got going face on the road You're at a and M you're at a team that's gonna absolutely kill themselves to beat you. Yeah, you're right Voice mail number two. Lookie Hey, Brandon. This is Patty from Naples, Florida, Colin Um, as another damn fan, not different about them. Just a wondering your thoughts on South Carolina situation probably the best team Out there that's when total is only six and a half and does that say more about the talent that they have or Shane Beamer as a whole and if they Don't make a bowl game how hot would Shane Beamer seat be if he goes job. Thanks, Brandon If Shane Beamer doesn't make a bowl game, he doesn't have a seat anymore. His seat is taking his seat They they come into his office grab his seat and he walks in. He is seatless. That is it. They have to make a bowl game Do you say as a Notre Dame fan? I'm asking about South Carolina. Is that did I hear that right? Yes There are five or six or seven bona fide national title contenders in the SEC There's two or three teams that just our couple years away from doing anything well and then there's a middle class in the SEC That's just looking around wondering what are we going to be and I think South Carolina is a major major one I can see them winning eight games. I can see them winning nine games I can see them winning five games It's all about the new offensive coaching and coaching philosophy and do they unlock Lennora sellers if they do They're winning eight games if they don't they're winning five games and it ends very poorly and Shane Beamer's out So I put them at number 24 because I am banking on Lennora sellers having a huge bounce back campaign and becoming the guy everybody thought he would All right, what's my number three? Hey Brandon, I'm interested to know if you think James Franklin that would be in tech or John Someral of Florida who have more success in the next five years Great question I think the answer is James Franklin It is proven James Franklin can have success at this level He's done it. He did it at Vanderbilt. Then he did it at Penn State and people said oh, it can't be oh I say you can't be Michigan doesn't mean you didn't have success winning 10 games every year is success going to the final four two years ago is Success it all fell apart sure But over the next five years you've got a now scorned in hungry James Franklin a guy who knows how to build it out a guy who knows how to Recruit at the highest level John when John Someral got too lame. He was inheriting a program that Willie Fritz left in phenomenal shape phenomenal shape Now it gets to a Florida team that the program is not a great shape, but the roster is pretty good But can he program build the way James Franklin can see gonna get the four and five star kids the James Franklin's gonna get and Florida's naturally gonna get some but I Don't know I'm betting on the proven commodity and that's James Franklin doesn't mean John Someral can't be great But Florida ever since Urban Meyer has hung out a help wanted sign five times and they've never gotten it right Why would we just assume they've got it right this time? Next for smell, please There's been a lot of very proud SEC programs that have been absolutely embarrassed by inadequate coaches And so I want you to rank these four coaches on which had most embarrassing tenure at their program Brian Kelly LSU Jimbo Fisher at A&M you freeze at Auburn and Billy nature at Florida. Thanks, Brandon It's not even close. It's not even fucking close Freeze far and away the most embarrassing of those four Napier was just never the guy and then Florida was wrong to think he was the guy Napier did well at a lesser level. They brought him up and he's just not a coach He's he's not a vision a an SEC football coach. You're not a power five football coach and that's okay It didn't work and they got him out of there You know sometimes a guy is is is is a coordinator Sometimes he's a lower level coach. Sometimes he's a middle-level coach. Sometimes he's an upper tier coach. Napier wasn't and that's fine Kelly was was embarrassing with the family stuff and everything Fisher turned out embarrassing, but Fisher had what didn't they finish top five one year? I believe it was it was in COVID 2020 or 2021. I can't remember They I think they ended up like top five right outside they just missed the playoff So he had some success there freeze got to Auburn and Was garbage and not only was garbage was garbage at the one thing. He's supposed to be good at He goes out and gets Jackson Arnold gets the scorebacks gets his offense gets Cam Coleman and they can't they couldn't score on anybody Defense was good. Their offense was refrigerated dog shit. It was terrible. So I think far and away freeze of these four Brian Kelly Jimbo Fisher Hugh Freeze Billy Napier and Napier being last most embarrassing freeze the most embarrassing Kelly second most embarrassing Fisher third most embarrassing Fisher had a couple of good runs Kelly never did Kelly never fit, but freeze was embarrassing and I wanted to bring this to you guys. I don't know what to say Hugh Freeze is currently in my Instagram DM sending me Christian music videos and I Don't know I Don't know what to do with them. I don't know he hasn't said anything He simply sends me he simply deems me on Instagram a Christian music video. I Don't like you Hugh Freeze. I don't I think you're foolish yet Hugh Freeze I don't know that I want to be friends with you you freeze But if you want to keep sending me Christian music videos, they kind of make me smile They kind of brighten my day a little bit every now and then my morning workout music is is Christian and all that so I like that a lot, but Why am I DMs dude? I'm not Casey. She's gone All right, let me let me say the last thing the last thing Hugh Freeze sent me send me a last room. How many how many straight is this? Like how many how many consecutive has he sent you without you replying? I Don't know the number could be anywhere from like four to 18 You know, I don't Where to go I know good goddamn It's just two Okay, yeah, that's just two. Yeah, does he follow you? I don't I don't fucking know what's going on. You see trying again. You're good side. I don't I don't I don't know I'm talking you through it. All right. Next voice mail, please I'm a big Notre Dame fan from Canada and I don't think they'd ever join a conference But if they did which you'd rather see them join the big 10 or the ACC That's not even thanks That's not even close like Notre Dame fans will see this and say oh Brennan will never join the conference no the premise of the question is this the question question is if Notre Dame ever joins a conference should it be the big 10 of the ACC. If they join the ACC, it's the biggest fart in the wind in the history of college football. Notre Dame should be in the big 10. They are a big 10 school. They should be rubbing elbows and bump in heads and noses with Michigan, with Michigan State, with Notre Dame. They should be in the big 10 just absolutely having wars with these teams. Instead of doing this punk ass shit they do where they get all the money and everything. And for you to do it, if you could, yeah, I probably would, but still I can dream of a world where Notre Dame is in the big 10. That is where they belong. That is where they should be. Then playing Wake Forest and Georgia Tech? No. That's what I say to that. Next voicemail, please. Hey, Brandon, this is trading out of Telehassy, Florida. I'm just curious if you have full autonomy, full decision on what to do with Florida State and how you would fix it. What would BFW do? Thank you. Well, I would go back 12 months and I would, I'd go back 12 months and I'd probably fire and who avail before last year and then I would, I don't know who I would hire though. I think I'd probably get, try to get in the lane, Kiffin sweepstakes. Don't know you would have got him, but like Florida State's a big time program that should be acting a lot bigger time than they have been the last couple of years. Who is a coach that's coming up that would make a lot of sense for them? I don't know, but you start over. You get Norville out there. He's not a guy that belongs at the Florida State level. He had the one great year and it's unfortunate and ashamed what happened that year, but he is just not somebody that should be Florida State's coach. Just go out and get get a coach worthy of Florida State's job and then you're doing it. Next voicemail. BWOC is Brock from Tulsa, Oklahoma. Just got done reading "Swing Your Sword" by Mike Lee to see it on your bookshelf as well. Curious to what your favorite football book is. My favorite football book and my favorite college football book. My favorite college football book and my copy is worn out here, but it is called "Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer" by Warren St. John. In 1999, and in 1999, here I go. I got it for Christmas in 2004, dear Brandon Merry Christmas, love mom 2004. It's called "Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer." Warren St. John did in 1999, the year that Alabama won the SEC. He got lucky with that. He bought an RV and he got in with the Alabama RV crowd. He went week by week, step by step, through the Alabama season following the RV crowd. If you've never familiarized yourself with the RV crowd at a South Eastern Conference School or at your school, they are absolutely batshit insane crazy people. They are incredible motherfuckers. And Alabama book, you know, it's College Football Book. Alabama is the subject matter and he is an Alabama fan. But in this book is the most college football you've ever seen. It's passionate. It's everything. This is the best book ever written about college football. Can you read the sentence or two? I'm curious. You know, you know what you're asking me to do. I didn't think of that. Yeah, there it is, Miss Valor. We go to Alabama games out our ass. Jackie tells me. Horton and Dwight nod. A few years ago, there's a rumor. They is a rumor. We was going to play Notre Dame in Russia. And the next day I was on the phone with the travel agent. I done sat through two fucking tornado warnings at Alabama Auburn Games. So what's going to happen tomorrow morning when they start selling permits? I asked the three-man exchange ruffle glances in the military. Dwight says they call it a cluster fuck and scene. That's actually crazy. Like that long ago, and they're stressing over two prominent programs playing a game in Russia. And now we just deal with these games in Ireland every year. That's kind of nuts. So yeah, that's my favorite college football book. A lot of guys have written college football books where they go from campus to campus during the season. All those usually suck, because they just do the same old, tired ass shit that everybody else does. I really, I'd like a book where somebody goes and just does the real, like gets into the real shit. Talks to the fucking crazies. Not just goes to Alabama, goes to the chimes or goes to Auburn and sits at Tumors Corner, just to fucking. All right, next voicemail, please. Brandon, this is Ronan from Ohio. I'm curious, man. What the heck happened to Vanderbilt? Last year, you know, they're up and coming team this year, nothing about them. They got Jared Curtis. He's a dog, I think. Why is no one talking about Vanderbilt? It's just because the SEC is too dense. Love to hear your thoughts. Well, what happened to Vanderbilt is they are Vanderbilt. They're never going to be Georgia. They're never going to have a roster that goes national title good from year to year to year. What you hope to have a Vanderbilt is you get in the right transfers, the right freshmen, the right mix of everything and every couple of years have a chance to do something special. They did something special last year. And it's hard at a non-traditional school. It has some limitations like Vanderbilt, but they have the right coach. Now they have the right quarterback going forward. And the SEC is just tough. What I mentioned, seven or eight teams that think they win the national title and then four or five more that are hoping to get there. Like it's just, it's tough out here. And Vanderbilt is going to pull back a little bit. Probably go, I don't know, six and six, five and seven, seven and five. And then hopefully be ready for the next big season in a couple of years. That's what I think. What else we got? Next voicemail. Yes, W Mason. Yes, Dallas. My question is, how many wins does Dave Oranda need to have a baler to save his job? I know that the team lives or dies based on the success of DJ Lugway, but I also know that Baylor is the type of place that would keep a coach around if he wins consistently seven, eight games. The one to hear you answer. Thanks. So I think that's exactly where I am. I think you take these lottery tickets like DJ Lugway, you bring them in and hope you rub the lamp and hope 10 wins pop out of it. I think seven wins a year. You're safe at Baylor. I don't think they're building statues of you or anything. I know Baylor is probably capable of a little bit more. I think Baylor's got some money, but no, I think seven wins for Dave Oranda is a safe territory. Five wins is probably fire territory. Six, they're having a discussion, but seven is definitely safe ground. And I, you know, I still have a little bit of hope. Lugway can turn into something. And if he does, you know, you turn the corner a little bit of Baylor. Let's do one more voicemail. Then we'll read that and then we'll get to Sean McDonough. Abraham, in first of all, go Irish. Second of all, I would like you to name the all-time face of every conference, every major conference, speak to Pac-12. Thank you. All right. Does he mean one player or one coach? I think either or. All right. So Pac-12, I think of multiple people. I just think of USC running backs. I think of OJ Simpson to Marcus Allen to Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush is a good one to land on, but I just, I just think of USC running backs, striding through, striding through the defense of backfield and just absolutely wrecking teams with the SEC. My mind goes to Tibo, but all time, I still think it might be Bear Bryant. I think the legacy of Bear Bryant and the way he accumulated and acquired teams still reverberates to this day in the SEC. Plus, you got the hat. Plus, you got, we're, what, 44 years since he died, Alabama fans are still wearing Hound's tooth, and still, that's still recognizable. You know how good a coach has to be for his hat to be recognizable 45 years after his death. The Big Ten. The other day, somebody asked me who the face of all time college football was. I know Ohio State fans saying Archie Griffin. Nobody in 2026. No fans under the age of 40 know what Archie Griffin looks like. They don't know. They couldn't pick Archie Griffin out of a lineup. To be the face of college football, you have to be instantly recognizable. So when thinking about the face of the Big Ten, I'd really have to work on that one. I really have to work on that one. It might be like a coach, like Shembek, not Shembek, but like I've worked Okay, I'd work on the big 10. Big 12, a newer conference. I think I'm just gonna give that to Vince Young and keep on moving. That's the last team to want a big 12, the national championship for the big 12, right? Am I missing one? Yeah, Oklahoma didn't win it. Yeah. It's a good question. Good question. Now we're gonna get to Sean McDonough. After I tell you about Reese's one more time, once again, you see it right here. Reese is the official candy partner of Barsal Sports. If you're riding down the road, you need a road trip snack. Stop get you a Reese's peanut butter cup. They have all variety of candy. They're all fantastic. Good stuff. Just check out Reese's, get the grocery store, the drug store wherever you go. 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Francisco Cabrero steps up. Line driving to left field. Line drive left field. Justice Scores, here comes Braim. Shaw McDonough was on the call. It's one of the iconic calls of my life. Flash forward to 2015, Michigan and Michigan State. He has trouble with the snap. Jalen Watch Jackson. Eddie Scores on the last player of the game. And it's the surrender cobras. This guy, Shaw McDonough, is one of the all time greats. I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. Whether it's college football, hockey, baseball, college basketball. The man has done all of these things. Shaw McDonough is one of the greats. And I got to talk to him for this show. Blumman, before I go to him, anything else before we get out of here. - We're a second closer to college football back in our lives, enjoy this interview. - Here's my interview with Shaw McDonough. - Okay, so this is a particular thrill of mine. We've interviewed a lot of guys here about college football. We've interviewed some beat reporters. We've interviewed some national reporters. We haven't yet interviewed one of the great play-by-play guys yet. And here we go right now. And the 13 year old Braves fan of 1992 is in hog heaven right now. Because I just see Sid Braim rounding third base. I just see Francisco Cabrera hitting that ball into left field. And I just hear this man's voice. I think it's one of the great announcers of all time is what I'm gonna say right now. He probably won't like that, but I'm gonna say it anyway. It is Shaw McDonough of ESPN. Shaw McDonough is joining us now. Shaw thank you very much for making time to be here. - Oh my pleasure. I'm glad you're not a Pittsburgh pirate fan or that introduction probably wouldn't been as kind as it was. But that was a great memory. I tell the pirate fans, please don't kill the messenger. But I glad the Braves fans remember that, finally, it's hard to believe how long ago that was now. But that was certainly one of the great games in the history of Major League Baseball. - You know, we, I'm gonna get into a lot of things. I'm gonna call it football. But there are so many iconic calls in the history of sports. So many iconic plays in the history of sports. I'm gonna say that one that Francisco Cabrera plays one of the rare calls, one of the rare plays that has multiple iconic calls attached to it. Because yours is incredible. And Skip carries from the Atlanta. I guess it was Atlanta radio. Like every time I watch it, it comes up on like Twitter or TikTok, then I watch him round and third. I'm like, I'm gonna click on it and see which call it is. I like them both. But sometimes it's Skip, sometimes it's you. It's, you rarely see that, but it's just so awesome. And it speaks to you because let me tell you guys this, when I was prepping for this interview, I went to YouTube and I said, I wonder if there's any compilations of Sean McDonough. There's a, there's a Sean McDonough's best college football calls compilation. It is 57 minutes and 32 seconds long. So that's how, that's how long this guy's been doing it. And that's how good he is at it. You, you, you do all four major sports, but I know right now we're in August and college football's coming up. What's that ramp up process for you like? Yeah, really just getting started. And I would want to echo what you said about Skip Carry that was, his was a great call. And, and the fun part about those moments, right, is you only get to do it once and you hope that you nailed it. And I remember that was the first of my, I can remember my infamous voice cracks. That's 30 years old doing the World Series. Oh my gosh, that's the biggest play I've ever called and maybe ever will call on my voice cracked. And when I left the booth, I was kind of distraught. And then when I got to the truck, people were running up and hugging me and telling me that was awesome. And that matched the moment that's going to live forever. So I was, oh, maybe it's not so bad. But to answer your question, I'm just now sort of ramping up. You know, I go pretty much 10 months between college football usually starting around Labor Day. And that'll be the case for our group again this weekend. We're on the Sunday night of Labor Day weekend with Louisville and Ole Miss. And then, you know, I go right through the hockey playoffs. This year we had the Stanley Cup final we alternate with TNT with that. So we went to about mid-June. So I basically have two months to try to rest and relax and have fun and enjoy the summer. So that's what I've been doing. But starting to get the itch to get back at it, starting to pay more attention. I follow it. You know, I read the stuff daily. But now I'm really just now starting to ramp back up into college football mode. So you mentioned the voice crack on the Braves one. Obviously, you know, I think your most iconic college football call ever is and you might disagree. You might have a couple that you think are better. But the trouble with the snap is the one that I always go back to. That has just a great voice crack at the end. And what point did you accept the voice crack? And you're like, OK, well, now that's kind of something that's going to happen because you said you were distraught. I don't know why you'd be distraught. It's an amazing thing to happen. Well, I think first of all, it's involuntary, obviously. But I don't know. I guess we're just embarrassing at the beginning. You think your voice isn't really supposed to do that. And then I think of anything. It helps maybe punctuate some of those big moments. I think this was the 10-year anniversary last fall of that Michigan Michigan State game, and particularly the ending that everybody remembers. And several outlets did a long piece about the athletic did. And they had the perspective of people who were involved in the play on both sides. Coaches, players, announcers, and other people. And Mark Dantonio said, the Michigan State Coach at the time, he thinks the reason it's remembered as much as it is is the call and the voice crack. And the vendor Cobra guy and the Michigan student section. So that's probably when I stop being embarrassed about it. If it helps people remember those plays, if it makes it seem as big as it was, because that's one of the still one of the most memorable endings in the history of college football. And so be it. You know what I love about that call? I feel like professionals like you go into a play or a game and they have an idea of what might happen, what might unfold. When that ball clanks off the punter's hands and just falls haphazardly into the Michigan State guys' hand, I can just tell you had you in a million years couldn't have fathom that sequence of events. And you were just as wild as anybody else. I think that's what makes a call really special, because you were just as caught up as the viewer. Yeah, I think that's it, right? It was so shocking. And I hopefully my call reflected that I was in shock too. I mean, Chris Fieldman did a great job of setting it up before the snap about, you know, catch the snap one step and kick it because there was nobody back from Michigan State. You know, they they were going all out on the block. And, you know, if they had it to do over again, I think Michigan just would have instructed all their guys just tackle everybody, hold everybody who's rushing. And if you get a holding pound, they'll punt again. But so yeah, I think that's a part of it. You know, it was a shocking ending. And I think when I said, unbelievable, you know, play the game, you know, because it was unbelievable. And it was the last play I remember looking up at the clock. The game's over, you know, there's not got to kick off. And Jalen Watts Jackson is a Michigan State legend forever. Yes, he is. And by the way, every time I watched that, because I think they were down by two or three points. I don't remember exactly what it was. I'm just every time I watch it, I'm like, get down Jalen Watts Jackson, just settle for the field goal, but every time he scores, every single time he scores. Yeah, and we've around a little bit. And then, you know, there was so much that went into that, including the fact that he either dislocated or fractured his hip, you know, if, if you remember, and you do, because you go out and he's watching this several times, he, there was a huge pile on top of him, obviously. And he was trying to push people off, because he was an excruciating pain. I mean, they took him to the hospital from the end zone, while the rest of them celebrated. So yeah, he was kind of an unheard of player at that time as a backup defensive back. And I always give my spotter, Zach, her pap is on great credit for how quickly he identified Jalen Watts Jackson because I'm a player. like that, especially in college football, with double numbers. You always want to make sure you have the right guy. And then there might be two number 24. So Zach was pointing so emphatically on our spotting chart in front of me that I knew we had the right guy. You know, when Zach doesn't, he's not really sure he doesn't do that. So I give Zach a lot of credit for the call too, because he identified Jaylen Watts Jackson incredibly fast. Um, you didn't grow, I don't, you know, researching you didn't grow up in a college football hotbed, you know, like I grew up in Mississippi and the SEC. I grew up and it was all anybody ever knew we didn't have pro sports, you know, we didn't have all that. We just had your local college team. Uh, but you've been doing college football for so long and so well at the top of the game. Uh, was cost football an adjustment to you to fall in love with it or were you always a college football guy even growing up where you grew up? Yeah, I wasn't a huge college football fan. You know, I could grow up here in Boston. You know, we had Boston college now, uh, you know, around the time that I was in college Doug Flutey, you know, that BC had some of their, their great years and really as we're seeing in a lot of colleges and universities change the trajectory of the college, you know, the applications went way up at BC because of the success and the publicity of the Flutey and the Heisman and, you know, winning those years. So and we're seeing that now happen at a lot of other places, you know, University of Georgia applications, Alabama over the last decade Indiana Indiana, the most recent example, Gonzaga. I remember one of the, uh, printed my Jack McCann was on the board of trustees of Gonzaga told me basketball saved the school. You know, they were talking about maybe shutting it down and then they had that run to the elite eight and next thing, you know, gets a trendy school and here we go and now it's thriving university. So, uh, but when I got to Syracuse Brandon, I had a chance to work for the late great Dick McPherson. Yeah, I was a work study student in our football office. He became the football coach at the end of the first fall. My freshman year, our football coach was Frank Muloney. He got relieved and then Coach Mack came in and I started working as a go for for Coach Mack and the football staff and worked for him for three and a half years. And that's really one. I got immersed in college football. He had a great staff. I mean, he had some, got Jim Tressel was on his first staff back then as a young assistant. Randy Edsel obviously became a successful head coach, George O'Leary. There are several others and he had a great knack for identifying really good assistant coaches. So learn a great deal about football, learn how to prepare for a football game. You know, I try to prepare for it like a coach would in terms of, you know, what you're looking at and what the teams are trying to do and just the the effort that you put into it. And but that's really my love for college football started. I want you to take me inside the booth in the press box of college football stadiums around the country. I've been to a lot, but I haven't been to as many as you I'm sure. Which schools, which stadiums have the best point of view for you? Which is like the best that you think of a press box that puts you right in the action and this is perfect. This is a perfect seat. And then I'm going to ask you the worst one too. But but if I say the worst, the best point of view, the best spot to watch a football game, which school comes to mind? It's a great question. I want to think about bias for Syracuse because it's the booth is so low. I mean, you're almost too close to the field if that's possible. It's not great for the TV cameras because I think the directors wish the cameras will hire. You know, Alabama's great. It's you're at the 50 yard line. You're at a good distance from the field, good angle. The booth's big. There's a bathroom in the booth that most that's really important. The time thing, what are the other best ones? You know, most of them are are at least pretty decent. I like when we have a game in these NFL stadiums. You know, like we go do a bowl game at the fiesta ball when we're in the Arizona Cardinals. I'm going to give you a bad answer. It's not a college football stadium, but most of these newer NFL Jerry world is the best. And that's the best in in Arlington, Texas. That Alabama for sure. Where else do we love going? Because it's a great book. I would say that's the best. It's easier to name the worst because what yeah, well, there you go. What's the worst miss? Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry. I know you're I don't know if you're an Ole Miss guy or you said you're from Mississippi, but I'm a Mississippi state guy, so that sounded wonderful to me. The booth is tiny to the point where and it used to be bigger, but the athletic department took away seats to the point where our stats guy has to be behind us. Because it's not wide enough for myself to spot more than Greg McAroy, Zach, our spotter, and me. There can't be a fourth person because it's not wide enough. You're a little to the left to the 50-yard line, but we have a lot of those new Eastern starts there, which are 11 central. And the sun is hitting you right in the face. I don't like to wear sunglasses on TV because you you know, you look like you're being a Hollywood shot, but you almost have to do them in the game starts because you're just getting blasted in the face. So it's just a really uncomfortable place to do a game. I know it's a great, you know, the the team has been excellent in recent years, obviously. The town is great. It's one of the great college towns in America. Sorry to say nice things about it. Yeah, I was going to stop you there. Just let's we don't have to. Auburn's not great. Auburn, you're way down on about the 20-yard line. Not the same thing. I like the town, you know, like the people. It's the booth isn't, isn't awesome. I didn't realize you were at the 20-yard line at Auburn. I never knew. Yeah, we're pretty far to the our left. You know, if you look at it from the TV camera, we're probably on the left. 20. Okay. See, that's why I asked this question because I have no idea the answer. Yeah, that's a pretty good. I mean, we go to the same places now over and over again. So, um, you know, I'm not giving you the greatest answer. I apologize. No, that was a, that was a perfect answer. I never, I never knew Alabama was considered that. Yeah, that's very good. It's huge. It's at a bathroom. It's on the 50. It's a nice height. It's, it's really good. I didn't think of that bathroom thing either because I had the one, uh, you know, an answer story I have for my time covering college football. I was at Mississippi State for Mississippi State in Texas A&M, I believe. No, it might not have been A&M. It might have been Auburn. It was Auburn. Mississippi State Auburn 2014 and CBS is just about to go live. And I guess Verne, Verne Lunk was had to go and Verne, Verne, right before the game starts, it goes out to the bathroom when he was walking back. Um, this, this, this young man, probably about 11 years old is just, says, Verne, will you please take a picture? Will you talk to me? And the CBS producers are saying, get in there, Verne. Get in there. Get in there. He grabs him. He puts his arm around him, takes a picture, talks to him, walks him to the door of the booth. At the same time, kind of turns, goes into the booth, puts headphones on, starts the broadcast. It was the most impressive thing I've ever seen. Uh, if you said Verne blew the kid off, I was going to say there's no way that's a true story because he's just the nicest man alive. No, I wasn't going to say that it was the complete opposite. Like the producers are going crazy. Get in there. I was going to be late being on the air that he would be mean or snappish or, you know, and he wouldn't even been rude and be totally understandable if he had to go running by, but he's the last guy in the world who would do that. It was one of the nicest things I've ever seen a famous. He's just, he's, he's nice every day. He's a wonderful human being in addition to being one of the all-time great broadcasters. What's the, uh, what's the greatest college football game you've ever, you've ever seen live? I know that, uh, you know, I know that Michigan Michigan State game we talked about was, uh, was, was great finish, but I remember being kind of an ugly game. And, but what's the, what's the one game that sticks out in your mind? It's like, I was lucky to be there. Wow. There are a few. Uh, the most recent one was the, oh, I hate to bring it up again. They'll miss Georgia game in the show. I'm a great game. Great game. Unbelievable game, you know, back and forth, comebacks, guys making a huge place, uh, on both sides, you know, and then all the, you know, the drama that went into with Lane having left and Pete being the coach and there was talk Lane was going to come to the game because obviously LSU was not far down the road. And thankfully he did not come. But, uh, that would be one, uh, recently we did, I did, I was on radio, ESPN radio. I did a Rose Bowl, where people probably remember, because that's your Texas or Michigan person, but, uh, Texas and Michigan played in the Rose Bowl. And I think it was 37-35 in the game. It was, it was the venture on coming out party. It was in the year before the, the year before. Yeah. I mean, there were great players on both teams. That was back and forth. And I think Phil Dawson, I don't, my, my memory's not so great, uh, kicked a field goal like with no, no time left that, uh, and I hope that's accurate. Um, you know, there, there've been so many of them, the, the Clint Sterner way back in the day. He stumbles and fumbles. That was probably. Tennessee, Arkansas, Tennessee year, uh, you know, Tennessee probably should have lost that game, probably wouldn't have won the national championship. Um, you know, Sterner pulling away from center tripped, I think over his own guard. Yeah. Put the ball down on the ground to kind of brace himself and lost the ball and Tennessee fumbled and went down and scored. Um, we did a Florida, Florida state game back at CBS in the late 90s with the late great Terry Donahue, Jacquez Green, a huge game, had a big catcher ran through the middle of the field. The late, you know, that's back when that rivalry was incredible when they were, you know, both national championship contenders, I'm probably forgetting a few, but, um, well, I put you on the spot. Probably in that 57 minute, uh, I just wonder when, when I find out that those kinds of things, who took the time to put together Sean's top calls at college football, I mean, I'm flattered. I guess I should be. Well, I don't know who does that or why. So, so I see that you're not as vain as I am because I could go myself all the time, but if you go to YouTube search, Sean McDonough, you're going to get a couple of compilations that are all sports, you know, that cover everything. You'll have the baseball calls and there you have a lot of hockey, of course, because you're such a great hockey announcer. But then there was this one just sticking out there. There was all cost football and it was 57 minutes. And I got to tell you, you've done more Clemson games and any human being ever seen in my life, you've been Clemson. I've found Clemson games, there's a million memorable Clemson games that are probably, and if I watched that tape, it would probably jog my memory. No, there's, but we've had a lot of games there, for sure. That, you know, the Virginia Tech played Nebraska when at Dominic and Sue was, you know, a dominant player. I think I might have voted for him for the Heisman that year. You should have. And he kind of, I did, I think. And I know he did, actually, because I voted for him one year, that would have been there. So he was just totally blown up the game. And then I was Tyrod Taylor, deep one down the sideline of Danny Cole. That was a voice crack. He got tackled on about the three yard line. And then they're running out of time. And Tyrod's rolling around. He can't find anybody. Everything was Matt Mill. And you could hear on the tape thrown away. Tyrell Roberts in the guarantee that one's on the 57 minute tape. Oh, that one said that was in the first two minutes. Was it really? Yeah, it's, it's very early. I saw it this morning, because the guy is the long throw. And he think he's going to score. And it gets they knock him out of the three. And it does. Yeah, that was an unbelievable, that was an unbelievable game too. Really? Because Nebraska, I mean, if ever a defensive line and could dominate a game throughout, he did. And then they hit the one long pass and you know, cast it in. There's also a great, and I don't remember this play or this game. There's a great one on there of Texas Nebraska, where Texas has the lead late and they're lining up for a field goal and Justin Tucker pooch, punts it instead. And Nebraska takes it back like 90 yards. And you begin, because it's like a two touchdown game. And you begin the call being like, well, this is an interesting. Wow. Okay. They're doing this. And then you ramp up and you ramp up and you ramp up and all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. Anyway, 57 minute compilation. Sean, if you don't have, if you don't have anything to do, if you don't have a tea time this afternoon, go check yourself out. It's pretty good. I do have a tea time, but I'm going to try to find it nonetheless. If anything, you know, when I do pop into somebody sends me a tapered, we're doing a game and there's a flashback or something, it is a reminder really of how blessed we are to do this, right? I mean, because you even forget some of these great games. And then, you know, when you reflect back, you're like, oh gosh, I've been able to do this for as long as I have. Are there any throughout your entire career? And this is, you know, I'm asking a lot, because you, what you started in Syracuse 1882. So it's, yeah, the distinguished career. But any fan bases that are ever, you think there's any fan bases out there? I was like, I hate that Sean McDonough or you ever, you know, reasons I don't do social media or I've never had a Twitter account. And that's basically to protect me against myself, because I'd be the one who would, oh yeah, really, you know, how's life in your mother, your mother's basement, you know, one of those kind of things. So, yeah, I just don't do it. I know a lot of people in our business who, you know, searched their name during the games and then they're horrified that they're getting negative. I don't know why they're surprised. I mean, did you go there to think the whole world is going to tell you how wonderful you are. So, you know, I'm not aware of it in real time. You know, one of the things that is funny is, Zach, I mentioned a few times my spotter, sometimes on the flight back to Boston after a game in the fall, I'll say, because he's a social media person. I'll say, okay, read me the three or four meanest, funniest ones. And some of them are pretty funny. But the other, one year, I think it was Florida State Clemson speaking of Clemson. He said, he started laughing, so I'm going to read you like five or six in a row and I'm not editing this. He said, why does Sean McDonough hate Clemson? Sean McDonough is blatantly rooting for Clemson. Why does Sean McDonough hate Florida State? Sean McDonough has pom-poms out for Florida. So when it's like that, why pay any attention to it, right? Yeah, you're, you're exactly right. Now, you say you're ramping up for the year. You've had several color commentators over the years, but you know, when you, when you get a new assignment or a new partner, how long does it take to get that chemistry or sometimes as an instant and you know, you know, you got something. Sometimes it's instant. Sometimes it takes a little time. You know, I've been really lucky. I care more. You know, you obviously want to work with people who are really good at what they do. And I've been blessed throughout almost all my time at college football. I mean, I'm with Greg McElroy now. I think we're starting our fourth year. It was Todd Blackledge before that who I think is as good as anybody in any sport. I was just with Todd last week. He was nice enough to come up for my charity golf tournament that we had here in Boston week and a half ago. I mean, he's as good as it gets. There's no flaws. I mean, Chris Fieldman before him. And what I really, the more important thing is they're all unbelievably great people, you know, family guys, people of faith treat everybody well. They're unselfish teammates. And but, you know, with Greg, it just took a little while longer because his style was different than Todd's. You know, he has different things that he thinks are important or interesting than Todd did. You know, some things. So it took a little while. But I say this a lot. You know, I get to ask a lot like a college class as people who want to be play by play people. You know, how do you build chemistry? And I think the most important thing is spend as much time as you can together off the air. You know, go to dinner when you get into town Thursday night or Friday night or go to lunch after the meetings with the teams on, you know, it's it's really cool. In these towns, like we talk about Oxford, Tuscaloosa, you know, you get done meeting with the coach and the son of the players. Don't go back to the hotel. Go into the town. See what the town's like. You know, look at the places that you've heard people talk about. So I think the time spent off the air is really important. Because when you know their personality and you just sit there and talk about the game, right? Okay, I know great things. This quarterback isn't very good or this offensive coordinator isn't very good. So, you know, there are a lot of things that are helpful to know that may you may not have known if you didn't spend time off the air. When you started, did you study or emulate somebody for college football or did you just go out and blaze your own trail and say, I'm going to just I'm just going to be me. I'm not going to consider how anybody else does this. Well, it's interesting. And the I tried not to and I say that all the time when I do speak to classes like me yourself. We used to joke when I was at Syracuse on the student radio station. You could tell those of us who were from Boston, because it sounded like we were imitating one of the Boston announcer. You could tell who is from Philly if they're doing a baseball game. Everybody want to be Harry Callis or whatever. The guys from New York were all Marv Albert. So you don't want to do that. You know, when I go back and look at some of the baseball tapes from 1992 or 1993, you know, people told me you sounded like Bob Costas. And Bob was he and Vince Gully were kind of the top national baseball guys back then. And when I look at I think, you know, I kind of did a little bit. It wasn't conscious, but maybe the pacing or whatever. And I guess it's common because, you know, Bob is one. He's in the baseball hall thing deservedly so. So I think my voice has changed a lot over the years, which I guess is natural. I think my cadence is a lot different than it was back then. I guess when I watch some of the tapes from, you know, in the late 90s, when I was at CBS, to me, it almost sounds a little bit robotic, which I don't think I have that anymore. Hopefully I'm less monotone than it used to be. You know, sometimes it can't do anything about that. Your voice is your voice, but I appreciate what you said about that. I think it was a Texas Nebraska game because you should build up to the big moments. You know, one of the critiques I would have of some other people is when you come on the air and you yell from the minute you come on the air from the first play of the game, there's nowhere to go when it really is important. You know, it's the same way in hockey. If you have every shot on goal, you're screaming and yelling when the goal goes in to take the lead and then standing up final, it sounds like the rest of the game and it shouldn't. Anyway, sorry for the tangent. Oh, no, that's a great tangent. Do you, um, you mentioned your spotter like several times? Do you have the same spotter and cusp of all in hockey? Do you have your own guy? Or do you have different? You know, spotters in hockey, uh, in for the most. You do that by yourself. Oh, yeah. See that? It goes too fast. That's why I think you're awesome. By the time you look down, it's at a chart or somebody, you know, the puck has gone on to three more people. It's just way too fast. Um, it didn't used to be that way. You know, we, we ESPN, we were out of the NHL for 16 or 17 years. You know, NBC had it and then we got, we got it back and I hadn't done, you know, an NHL game in 16 or 17 years. I remember opening night. We were in Tampa Bay because they were flying their Stanley Cup banner from the season before and you tell about bad boots. That was a hard place to start because it's high and far back and, you know, I'm not, I was nowhere near as familiar with the lean. You tried and you memorized the names and numbers, but I remember looking down, like looking at the number. And though, where's my story about that guy? And then look out my, where the heck is the puck? Oh, there's a penalty. I didn't see it. I was looking at my notes. So I learned very quickly. You can't take your eyes off the ice. Um, so no spotters. You really have to memorize the names and numbers. And then sometimes that isn't even good enough, Brandon, because the, you know, the 15 looks like 16 hands, you're not sure. So then you, well, which line is out there, you know, they're not on the same line together. He's out there. Well, then he has to be things like he's a left shot. He's a right shot. So it has to be number 16, not number 15. You know, you have to have other clues and cues to help you identify. And the other part of it, which no one cares about, most of these booths are dangling. Like I said, Tampa, you're in the highest place in the arena. You're the farthest back. You can be my buddies and go to Boston Bruins games here. I say, hey, when you go to the game, look as high, look at the worst seat you could buy and then look higher and farther back. That's where I'll be trying to see a puck that's as big as your fist from I realized. Yeah, I never, I know why there's certain ones like you you asked me, which booths do you like in college football? It's hard because they're mostly all the same. That's some, you know, some are great. Some are me, most of them are medium and some are awful. But the, uh, the booths and hockey Vegas. Fantastic. You know, you're between the blue line and the red line about 20 rows off the ice, you're actually kind of in low. I think it's the captain Morgan club or so Pittsburgh. Same thing, New Jersey. Dallas is really good. So we're not allowed to cheer for anybody. I don't. But when some of those teams advance into playoffs, I'm at least partially happy because you have a chance of seeing the puck. When, when you get into like October, November, you know, you get the meat of college football and then hockey starts up. Are you just the busiest man in America? How do you, how do you maintain that schedule? Uh, there is some overlap. The powers of B.A.D. have spent a really nice to me. They don't push me too hard at the beginning of the hockey season. You know, a lot of them are a weeknight games. Um, and, uh, so I'll do opening night. I do that every year. We usually have a triple header. And then, um, I may not do more than another game or two until January. So they kind of give me November and December. We don't have a lot of hockey on in, you know, October, November, December, because you have college football going on the NBA starting up college basketball, starting up the NFL is still going. Obviously. So, uh, it's a pretty crowded calendar. So most of my stuff, most of my hockey starts in January. And then, you know, we have the ABC Saturday game of the week, basically, uh, every Saturday starting in January. And then it's when we get to the playoffs that it's really about a two month grind. I know your time is valuable. And I thank you for this time. I got plenty of time for you, my friend. Well, I know you got to be on the driver range soon. So I do. I'm taking a lesson because I'm so bad. I remember last time I took a golf lesson, but, uh, heading to heading to take a lesson. You, uh, you, you seem like a guy who's not going to really care about this. If this happened to me, it would be the biggest thing that ever happened to me. You won the, uh, 2025 broadcast or the year. And I, I, I got, I think it's a national association. I don't have the exact association. You won the national broadcast or the year last year, 2025. I don't know if it's your first, but now as, you know, you're, you've been doing this 30 years. Are you in the recognition? I feel like is, is, is, is justly coming your way, uh, as, as we go down the road here. Does that mean anything to you? Do you, do you, do you swell with pride? How do you, how do you take an award like that? Uh, it does mean a lot. You know, we mentioned the Ole Miss Georgia game in the sugar bowl in the couch with all playoff. The, the morning of that game, Greg McElroy, you know, usually the producer, Brian Ryder, when we're in our meeting room, uh, he says a couple of things. He hands it off to me, and I just kind of give the group what I think are the storylines in the game, what the coach has said, what we think is important, what we all need to be paying particular attention to, a little, you know, tidbit stories about players or coaches that we want to get to. Let's make sure we find Trinidad Chamblis's parents before the game going to be a story about that. Whatever it is. So when Brian yielded to Greg McElroy, I thought, Oh, that's a little odd. And then he walked up behind me and he started talking about how excited he was. And when he started talking about, oh my gosh, I think he's going to say, because I knew I was one of the finalists, I think he's going to say, you won the National Sportscaster, the award from the National Sports Media Association. And the, you know, the video circulated online. I was a little suspicious because Sam Vannoni, who's a wonderful person who's a very important part of every aspect of our college football, DSP and an ABC. She had her camera pointed at me. And I thought, I could tell she was recording. I'm like, why is she recording this? So it's super meaningful. You know, I was 63 at the time. I'm 64 now. I've been doing this. Yeah, I've been on DSP since 1989. I think I left her four years to go to CBS full time and came back. I was working with both of them in the 90s. And I've never won this, you know, and I was never that upset about it to be honest because, you know, when it's the finalists are Joe Buck and Mike Tereco and Jim Nance and I and Eagle and Kevin Harlan and Kirk Herb Street and Charles Barkley, you know, there's I think 10 finals are really. How could you feel? I get that bell out of your ear. I'm like, I don't know who to vote for because I can vote for any one of these people. So that's why I was so meaningful to me. I have so much respect for the men and women who do this. There are so many great sports broadcasters out there. Mike Brinum leaving people out, you know, and then when you look at who's won in the past, it was super meaningful. I try not to get my dad was a very, you know, he reminded us constantly to stay humble. And I think that's a quality we should have. But I'd be lying if I said that didn't mean a ton, especially if this stage in my life, I mean, to have people think you're still doing great work at this point in my career is super meaningful. Well, Sean, we got about, I guess what, three weeks now, you'll be in you'll be in Nashville for Ole Miss Louisville. And then we'll be right down the road with this thing. I don't really, I know you said you're ramping up. So I want to ask you like a national champion pick, but I can't ask me whatever you want. I'll make it up if I don't. I look at this season. I just get excited about some teams that have never broken through like Oregon and Texas and Notre Dame. And we're one year removed from Indiana being, you know, the worst program in the history of sport. And they win it. It's a wide open season this year. I guess I'm going to ask you who your national champion is because there it is. Yeah. You know, it's funny. The first three you mentioned, Texas Oregon and Notre Dame are, you know, teams that I will be interested to see. You know, I think if Texas is ever going to take that really big step, you know, they made the playoff a couple of times. I know people kind of, it's about time. Sarc won something. I think they were in the playoff. They were in the 14 playoff, aren't they? They made, they made the final four. They lost a Washington. Then they made the final four of the first 12 team playoff. Yeah. So, you know, I would, I would lighten up on that a little bit. But I do think Arch, you know, we had their game against Texas A&M at the end of last year. The Thanksgiving weekend game when, you know, Arch kind of was the Arch. I think people were maybe unrealistically expecting is going to be at the start of the year. But I would expect that, you know, he's going to keep taking that forward. You obviously Oregon got the quarterback back who, you know, some were, we were talking when we did the Oregon Indiana game in our setup, you know, this might be about not only to see, you know, who's going to advance in the playoff. But, you know, which guy's going to be the first pick in the draft? Yeah. And then the Oregon quarterback didn't even go in the draft. So, and you can do that in this day and age of NIL where you're well compensated to stay and play another year college football. And I think Notre Dame, you know, they, I saw a note the other day. I think they have more of their production back than just about 18. I would, we did CJ, we did their opener last year against Miami. I was really impressed by CJ Carr, who had barely played. And, you know, I think he's a legitimate husband candidate. Obviously their schedule is generally pretty favorable. And I felt bad they didn't make it into the playoff last year because I think they would have been dangerous that they made. I think Texas would have been two. That's how I think 16 would be great. I know we didn't get to that. I'm, I'm, I'm, I hate 24. I think that's ridiculous. But, uh, but 16 would be pretty good. We're in lockstep there. I think 16 is the right number. I also think, you know, every sport in America goes in like increments of eight, like 18, 16, 32, 64, you know, stuff like that. And, and, and Coswell Ball just came out with 12. And then they won't go 24. What was 16? 16 sounds about right. Well, it's time. The big 10 was pushing for that obvious. And everybody else kind of been, hmm, and then all of a sudden some of the other conferences. And I'm sorry. But, you know, I think the other conferences, it's, if you're a coach in the SEC or an AD or the big 12, whatever, the ACC, hmm, wait a minute. If there's 24, we have a better chance to get in. You know, maybe one year or two years we make it and I save my job. The AD saves his job. People give more money because everybody's happy that we made the playoffs. So, you know, a lot of these people who are within the sport who are saying 24 is the right number for all these reasons. 24 is the right number because I may benefit from it. If my team makes the playoff. I mean, that's the reality. I think 16 is plenty. You know, last huge make the argument, how could they leave out Notre Dame, Texas, be well, whoever they'll stay left out. But, but I'm sorry. If you're number 17, I mean, there is a certain point, like the college basketball tournament, 68 teams get in. Oh, what an outrage. They left this team out really. Sorry. Be better. Do better. Yeah. I do think you're probably at a pretty good number. If you are leaving out like one or two teams that you think could really make a run, that's when it really becomes elite and exclusive. But 16 is the right. 16 just 16. Yeah. I mean, we last year was 12, right? We just named three or four. Okay. Vanderbilt, I don't want to leave them out. You know, they have really good team. But, uh, but yeah, I don't 24, you know, and believe me, it has nothing to do with the espn. I don't even know the variables. I don't, I pay very, probably less attention than I should. You might be able to cash an extra check in the 24. Well, maybe I don't get paid by the game. If I did, I'd be like those coaches. Okay. We're more teams. More games. Fair enough. Hey, Tex. Listen, man, this was an absolute [BLANK_AUDIO] to me. I really appreciate this. You know, I'm 47 years old. I remember I was a Brakes fan 30 in 1992. So many shalmy down the calls over the years. I think you are truly one of the greats in the history of broadcasting. And I appreciate you giving me your time for the Brandon Walker College football show. Thank you for joining me. Oh, my pleasure. Really. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate those kind of works. Thank you.