JRE MMA Show #188 with Paddy Pimblett

the Joe Rogan experience finally my man what's happening how are we nice to be here we might need subtitles for this episode ladies and gentlemen if you're only listening please go to Spotify perhaps I'll throw some that Liverpool accent is thick bro I'll never forget when I fought when I fought Gagey and Song Yedong was coming to an event on the Embedded and I had Song Yedong talking no subtitles English is his second language and then it cuts to me and I'm talking it's got subtitles underneath I'm like this is my first language actually English from England the real English oh it's crazy but a lot of people just can't understand me that's mad well I can understand you I mean I've been over England many times I guess but it is it is a lot of people just can't understand me that's mad it's thick it's a cool accent though out of all the English accents Liverpool is one of the coolest I love my accent know what I mean I wouldn't wouldn't change if I'm not how long have you been in America now I got here oh just today I got here Sunday night whenever you get somewhere do people try to feed you is that like the first thing they try to do you get fed a lot in America like you get fed a lot in America portion sizes are great though I love the portion sizes the thing with me is the one thing that kills me is coca-cola really that's what gets you yeah coca-cola is my favorite drink on the planet it is cherry coca-cola or Mexican coke in a glass bottle lad it's my favorite drink and when you're in America and you go out for a meal it's refills so I have that much coke left and the waiters or waiters will come over take it and put a fresh one down and I feel like it's rude not to drink that they just put a full one down it's rude not to drink it do you ever like what is the heaviest you've ever gotten to the heaviest I've ever got was like 210 something like that but I was fat after which fight was that it's only ever when I'm in America really that's when I go that's when I go big if I go other places or to stay at home I never get that big you know what I mean but I got big I think the highest I got after I fought Justin was like two and a half years ago I think that's the highest I get to now like 205 but if I die for a week I'm right back down to one and a half oh really yeah because let's say it's just like loads of salt and sugar in my body if I die for a week I get back down we have terrible food over here but it tastes great it tastes great it tastes great but our food is poison but it tastes marvelous it's just filled with sugar and preservatives and all kinds of shit that keeps you eating it it makes you addicted to it but it's not good for you it's not good for you like I'm not big on like the chocolate or the oh no I like them ruffles them crisp well chips you call them yeah them ruffles are good but I'm not big on like the snacks over here really yeah snacks in England are better I think they are yeah really like chocolate bars chocolate bars are better than the UK well apparently some of our chocolate isn't even really chocolate yeah it's not chocolate anymore it's like made in a lab basically yeah I've seen the videos I saw that I was like what I don't know what companies are making shit chocolate but but if you get like a real legitimate like artisan chocolate bar you go what is this yeah you go oh this is what real chocolate tastes like like I don't like dark chocolate though oh really yeah I love dark chocolate like we have one in the UK called Bourneville I love dark chocolate and skippy peanut butter I take a big old jar of peanut butter and a big big bar of chocolate and I just break it off in there and scoop it out see I do that with Nutella ah that's good too I get a chocolate bar and just dip it in Nutella I can just have a bite that's like double chocolate chocolate on chocolate yeah that's a chocolate assassination yeah unbelievable so um you're here in America you obviously must be coming to the fights this weekend no no you're not no you're not going to Madison Square Garden no how come I was filming and I was there yesterday I was in the PI well the apex yesterday filming stuff with Meta and then I'm here today and then I fly home tonight oh really and then I get home 10 a.m tomorrow and then I'm flying to Dubai on Thursday oh wow what are you doing in Dubai family holiday with me wife and my kids but one of my teammates is actually fighting on Saturday so I'll probably go and probably go and watch him I think there's some sort of a ceasefire with Iran is that true I read that today that something that it's over no no I have no idea depends on whose tweets you're reading but I'm saying like Dubai is a little sketchy yeah we was literally after a 4kg I went to the Maldives I went to Oman before that Oman was a lovely country I had a great week there and then went to the Maldives and we was due to fly home and then all that started happening and we were meant to fly back through Abu Dhabi and we got stuck on this island in the Maldives for like another five days oh that's listen if you're gonna get stuck somewhere no if you're gonna get stuck anywhere if the Maldives is the place pretty nice but then we got stuck on this island in the Maldives for like another five days we was meant to go to Dubai in the April and obviously because of all that we had to cancel it and just go to Tenerife but now we're going hopefully nothing happens damn it's crazy that you're here and you're gonna leave before the UFC like the Madison Square Garden UFCs are special I've only ever been one when Rose beat Zhang Wei and Usman fought Covington went Chandler fought Gagey as well oh okay that night I've been I think that was the last time I've fought him I've only ever been one when Rose beat Zhang Wei and Usman fought Covington I think that was the last time I've fought him not long after my debut in like 2021 that's the only MSG I've been to it's a special place I want to fight there at some point like definitely oh fuck yeah I'm gonna leave it for now taxes are a bit heavy in New York yeah you if that happens for the taxes is that what happens you get hit up with big taxes I get taxed twice don't I oh that's right because I get taxed twice when I go to Canada yeah I get taxed obviously in America and then get taxed again when I get back to the UK oh killer jeez evil rotten cunts just thieving cunts 80 bastards taking the money you've earned I can't understand how they how can they do that how can they tax a man twice that is so criminal and they just can there's nothing you can do about it exactly there's nothing you can do about it okay just fuck me take me money just fuck me just gotta get on with it yeah let's go that's brutal I didn't even think about it that way so you'd much rather fight in the UK right eh I mean is Vegas okay Vegas doesn't tax you twice I like fighting in Vegas do they tax you twice well the taxes are nowhere near as high are they but I'd love to fight in Abu Dhabi yeah that'd be great do they have low taxes I think it's lower next to nothing when we mean compared especially compared to some other places they don't need your money yeah they got plenty of money New York New York is just massive fucking vacuum cleaner of money yeah but it's still awesome there's something about being in Madison Square Garden I'm a firm believer that buildings have memory I really think they do because it feels like there's something about New York especially Madison Square Garden you go into that building you feel the memory of all the things that have happened in that building that building's a special building yeah no matter what before I retire I'm gonna make sure to fight there no matter what yeah you gotta yeah I'm gonna fight there one million percent you can't not fight there out of all the places in the world I think that's the number one that's the number one place like if if I was a fighter I would want to fight there it'd be number two for me like what's number one Anfield ah Liverpool Stadium yeah oh my god that would be incredible yeah that'd be next level oh you could do it you could do it I know I could do it it's just like the UFC doesn't like doing stadiums and especially with the English weather I can't yeah I can't blame them but you know what if you figure it out and put some kind of roof over the octagon yeah that's all you need yeah give everybody umbrellas let's go no scouts would have cared if it was raining on them no believe me no they'd all be going bananas no matter what probably make it better yeah it'd be more exciting if you won give it even more of an atmosphere everyone soaked with rain yeah and screaming their heads off especially if you did in the summer where it's not too cold you know it's raining yeah June's you'd have to do like because the football season's on till May it'd have to be like June, July oh that's totally doable yeah yeah this episode of the Joe Rogan 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Volkanovski's going to retire. So it opens up two divisions. Yeah. And your division now, it's basically just you and Armin left and Ilya. You know, those are the three. I think it all depends if Charles wins as well, doesn't it? Because if Charles beats Lopez, he's obviously in the mix. That's true. Well, he does still have the BMF title. Yeah. So that's true. He's in the mix as well. But, you know. Volkanovski's just going to be a great fight. Like, they would. The big money fight is obviously you and Ilya. That's the big money fight. Yeah, it's probably one of the biggest fights the UFC can make. Yes. Even without a belt on the line. Without a doubt. That is bigger than most fights with a belt. Probably is. Yeah. Yeah. Especially, you know, when now you take into consideration Ilya's performance against Justin. Well, he looked fantastic for the first couple rounds. But then Justin won and stopped him. And then you managed to. I re-watched that fight last week with you and Justin. It was a very close fight. It was a lot closer than people remember. And when you think about. The amount of experience that you gain from a fight like that. And then you come back after that fight. And that fucking choke that you put on Benoit Saint-Denis. I've been messing around with that. I have these grappling dummies. You know what I mean? Shout out to Uriah Faber. He gave me one. It's a robot. And you choke its neck and its neck lights up. It's got a little light on it. Have you seen that thing? I've seen them, yeah. It's pretty cool. But the way you did that and rolled with it. When you started and then you wrapped your legs around him on the top. And I was thinking the amount of pressure. Like from here. Are you calling this the padlock or the padtie? What do you call this? I'm calling that the padtie. The padtie. Because what I've done to Jordan Levy. I've already called that the padlock. Okay. So it's like a Peruvian necktie. But the pressure you've got on him with your leg over the top of his back. As soon as he rolled him and faced down, he was out. Like that. I think I've seen it's like the second fastest dash in UFC history. It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal. And it was two seconds slower than the next one. But he's already out there. So it's faster than them. I forget who called this. It was either Dean Thomas or it might have been Brendan Shaw. But one of my friends called this. They said he's going to shoot on Paddy and Paddy's going to catch him. I was saying it all week. I said it. I've done a podcast with DC the week before. The Sunday before when I started water loading. And I literally said to him, he's going to come out and he's going to shoot. Because if you watch all his fights, I'm a big thing on studying people and seeing what they do. And we have a lad in our gym, Karl Mountfield. He'll make a breakdown video for us. And look, as soon as he gets it, head kick, shoot. Yeah, it goes backhand shoot or head kick, shoot. If you watch all of his fights, he does that. And I knew he was going to do it. And I knew he'd try and power out. But I'll be honest, I didn't know if I'd catch that at all. So I'd just get the skillet in right away. But he was strong. Don't get me wrong. He was very strong in BSD. So when he tried to power out of it, I ended up just getting the position. And I've never done that submission before. Really? Never done it. I've just done it on the fly. Really? You never did it in practice or anything? Oh, that's incredible. Well, you've recognized. I've never really done a Peruvian necktie before. No kidding? And I've done one. Me and Paul, we went over it four weeks out from the fight in the gym. I remember. Because after it, in the cage, after it, when Paul came in, he was laughing his head off, going, the way we've done that Peruvian necktie the other week. And it just happened. Like, we've done so much. I've done so much work leading up to that for so many different things, like defending on the wall. I've done so much wrestling in the build-up to that fight. And I'll never forget Paul sitting in the back after it, Paul coming up to me and going, all the work we've done for that, we could have just dicked around with guillotines for ten minutes. And I just burst out laughing. Isn't that funny when something plays out that way? Benoit's a hard man. I knew he wouldn't tap. I was saying before, I was saying in interviews and stuff, he'll go unconscious. He's not like that. He wouldn't tap. He'd go asleep, and he did. He went out on his shield. I've got nothing but respect for him for it. I felt bad for him after it, you know what I mean? Seeing the videos of him, like, looking up at the replay, like, the tears in his eyes. It makes you feel bad, but it's kill or be killed, isn't it? Live by the sword. I mean, that guy's a warrior, like, a literal warrior, an actual warrior, you know? Like, a guy who fights in war. He's a hard man. Yeah, he is. He's not going to tap. No, definitely not. He said that from the get-go. He's done it to people. It'll, you know, he'll do it to someone again, I'm sure. Well, his next fight's a very good fight. He's fighting Salkid, isn't he? Ooh, that's a good fight. And I think that's a very good fight. Salkild is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, he is. I like watching him fight. He's good. He's good. He's exceptional. Yeah. Yeah, he's exceptional. For that division. He's on fire right now. Yeah, it is. It's interesting how that happens. Like, divisions have lulls and then great periods, where it seems like right now it's one of the greatest periods of all time for the 155-pound division, you know? I think it's always been, like, the most watched and most exciting division. Like, I think it always has. I just think it's because, like, the weight we are. Like, it's, like, more like the average human person, isn't it, as a round one? There's more. Yeah, there's more. More elite athletes. And then you think about it, more people that are coming from kickboxing and wrestling. But, like, there's a lot more kickboxers and wrestlers that are roughly in that weight class. Yeah. So you get these elite athletes from these other sports that enter into MMA. You know, it's just a phenomenal weight class, like, especially right now. Yeah, when I first started watching MMA, it was, like, BJ Penn, you know what I mean? And, like, Diego Sanchez and that. What year did you first start training? 2010. 2010. That's wild. 16 years. Wow. Yeah, more than half my life now. Wow. What was your first discipline? MMA. Just right into MMA? No kidding. The gym I still train at now is the same gym I walked into. That's incredible, because your jiu-jitsu is so good, I assumed that you had a jiu-jitsu background first. That was the one thing I took to straight away, jiu-jitsu. Like, the first class I ever walked into was a kids' class, and I'd never done anything before. I can remember rapping a guillotine on someone, and the two lads who were the coach in the class went, like, you know what I mean? It was like, he's doing a guillotine there. He's never even been shown one. But that was just off watching it on the telly. It's amazing how much you learn watching on TV. Yeah. It really is. That was, like, I started doing stuff just off watching things, and then, obviously, I started training, and as soon as I started training, I was like, this is what I want to do. Wow. Right away. Yeah. It's amazing that there's such a wealth of gyms across the world now, that we're seeing people from all over the world, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing that there's such a wealth of gyms across the world, you know? We're seeing people from all corners of the world that come into the UFC already with elite skills. It is. Like, I can never see anything today, like, about 10 years ago, there was only, like, all the champions were from, like, either Russia, Brazil, or America. It is. And now, they're just everywhere. Everywhere. Like, Australia's big. Yeah. In the MMA world now. Obviously, the UK, we've had a few champions. Well, when Ilya came out of Spain, that was the first guy that we'd ever seen from Spain that was at that level. We were like, "Whoa, whoa." going on over here it's it's fascinating you know because i i say it all the time but it really is true martial arts have evolved more in the last 33 years since the ufc emerged than it has in the last 33 000 years yeah definitely 100 100 like that's what i always say with our sports like when i first started watching it you could just be a world-class kickboxer or a world-class wrestler or a world-class jiu-jitsu practitioner you didn't have to be good at anything else right you could be one-dimensional and still become a world champion now you can't you have to be well-rounded or you will get beat 100 yeah 100 this is a different world there's the the levels too i think the new thing is going to be you have to be able to switch stances i think that's the new thing i like switching stances to be honest so works for me yeah it's so important it really is because when you face an elite calf kicker um like uh i was watching uh some sparring footage online of uh volkanovski was sparring nico carillo you know that guy from one elite kickboxer do you know him i was talking about him a game about two hours ago motherfucker he's a bad motherfucker weird the way you just mentioned him was literally talking about him like two hours ago think draft kings isn't available in your state think again the cage is set and draft kings keeps the full card in your state at your fingertips in one sports app live in all 50 states once the cage door closes everybody has a pick draft kings keeps you close to the pay-per-view card from the first walkout to the final horn make your calls as the card unfolds download the draft king sports app and use the code rogan new customers can spend five and get 200 in bonuses within 21 days that's code rogan spend five get 200 in bonuses in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours gambling problem call 1-800 gambler 1-800 my reset connecticut called 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of boot hill casino in 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setting up you know positions and and just breaking down all those things and like if you get a guy who's got a guy who is a really good calf kicker and you are only orthodox and that's all you can do and you get that left calf smoked it's you're fucked yeah it's it's so crazy how that one thing sort of changed the whole game that if you get your calf smoked now like it's not like a leg kick like a like a thigh kick yeah it hurts like hell but guys can survive that and still perform at a pretty high level it's mad how that just started happening like who was the first person to throw a calf kick i thought that it was benson henderson but then someone said that it might have been cub swanson that cub swanson might have been the first guy that started hurting people obviously no one no one done it years ago it's come in like the last five or six years not only that but the muay thai guys used to say that that won't work in muay thai that that is only good for mma because mma guys aren't good at checking kicks and they're not good at like staying line like that's not true anymore because now yuki yosa do you know who that is i don't know who that is i don't know who that is no yuki yosa is a bad motherfucker this japanese cat that just destroys people's legs he's a kyokushin guy yeah and uh he every combination is chopping at your calves inside throwing punches inside low kick outside outside low kick it's constantly every combination is ending with a calf kick or a low kick and you're seeing these thai guys who have 115 fights and their fucking legs are smoked like halfway into the first round and that's the thing with a calf kick as well you can be in very close range and still land it yes exactly like with a one on the thigh you've got to be out a little bit yes i like throwing them from range though to be honest i like using my range when we did a fantastic job against bobby yeah bobby green you like you neutralized him within the first couple minutes or first minute or so of the fight just with those kicks yeah with that one i think like obviously bobby's got phenomenal boxing you know what i mean yes there's combos and there's time and the speed that brilliant so with that it was when you're on the feet use your range i knew i was bigger than him yeah try and kick him teeps calf kicks head kicks keep him on the end of your range and it worked perfect i don't think i even got punched in that fight no you did well you you knew like i said you neutralized him pretty quickly you fucked up his movement pretty quickly and he's got such a weird style because when his hands are down you don't know where anything's coming from just comes from all mad angles and he's talking shit to you like everyone thought that he he shot in in that fight as well when he never kicked his leg and his leg come out right and it was harder for him it was either try and grab my leg and get on top or go on all fours and me take you back so he was stuck between a rock and a hard place really yeah it's amazing to me that your jiu-jitsu is that good and you didn't just start with jiu-jitsu because generally when someone's that good on the ground i assume that they had a big competitive jiu-jitsu career first and then got into that was the first things i've done i've done obviously because i started when i was 15 i've done a couple of like grappling tournaments first they were the first things i've done um like i remember winning a couple of kids divisions but then when i turned 16 like two months after my 16th birthday i had my first fight took around like a week's notice for the lad who was 24 when i was 16 wow and our rules back then was knees to the head just the only real change was no elbows that was the amateur rules back head on the ground no knees to the head standing no knees to the head standing part ground and pound knees to the head standing it was just no twist and leg locks they were the only thing no elbows no twist and leg locks no heel hooks then yeah but you could do a knee bar you could do knee bar and straight ankles and stuff but they were the only that was the only real change and took that on a week's notice and won that by decision and i remember getting like my hand raised and just being like this is the best feeling in the world this is what i'm gonna do you know what i mean i just i just knew that i was gonna do it i just knew that i was gonna do it from that point on that's amazing well england has an amazing scene there's an amazing scene in england you want to see some kids in our gym mod yeah we've got kids in our gym who are like six seven eight who are doing every night doing jiu-jitsu and doing mma and then now we've got a load of youngsters who train with the like the pro team of a morning who were like 14 15 16 17 they're all like i am i'm off world and european champions and wow like they've already had like 15 20 fights some of them under the bar 17 that's incredible it's it's madness i'm a big fan of cage warriors yeah cage warriors as i always say amazing event the best show in europe by a mile yeah it's an amazing event and the level's so high yeah if you want to get in the ufc and you're in europe you need to sign for cage warriors yeah like i've got like most of my teammates fight on cage warriors uh we've been doing friday night saturday night show at the end of the month 27 28 in um in worcester and across the two nights we'll probably have about 10 to 12 pros on it that's on teammates ufc fight pass right yeah yeah it's all fight pass yeah i always encourage anybody if you're a fight fan get ufc fight pass and if you want to watch who's coming up cage warriors the the level of the top guys is ufc level yeah it is 100 and on that that's the big the big difference i say with cage warriors and other shows in like europe and obviously around the world people get to like 10 but the fighting taxi drivers the fight and absolute crabs right who don't deserve to be in the cage right where cage warriors you don't fight people like that no you get every single fight to test like i've i lost more fights in cage warriors than i've lost in the ufc i mean i know i was younger and i was coming up but right i got tested just as much in cage warriors as i have in the ufc and that's the same with all my teammates now there's there's a load of my teammates who are on cage warriors who are going to be in the ufc like nathan fletch has already been in the ufc he got caught but he got one of his fights he got robbed on a decision i know he'll be back adam cullen who's my weight class he'll be in the ufc conor wilson who's a flyweight he'll be in the ufc joe fields um lonnie cameron london yeah but he was cage warriors well yeah like if you if you look at all the fighters who've come from cage warriors to the ufc yes most of them 80 of them stay signed yep keep fighting christian leroy duncan yeah luke riley uh modestus um there's a load more though we might have just gone blank but there's a load more there obviously aspirin had a fight on cage warriors as well but if you compare that with like other shows in the uk and europe most of them people have having one or two fighting getting caught at the top it's ufc level yeah i mean there's so many guys there that are just you watch them fight and like those are legit elite skills that's a very important thing to know about the ufc level yeah i mean there's so many guys You know and to have a place like that in England where you guys have you ufc level competition and then you're you're already used to fighting guys that have elite skills and so as you said you entered the ufc it's not a big shock in terms of the skill level they're actually doing cage what are you spain next year oh wow yeah there's a lad who he was main event the other night i'm terrible with names well he comes and trains with us his name is mo but he was main events on cage what is the night if you could get his name up um i just call him because he comes to jimmy spars with me he trains with me and um like he's spanish i think he's like nine and one or something like that and he's good lad he's a welterweight and he's a i think he'll end up winning cage or his belt and getting sand but it's funny because because he trains with us everyone always asks him oh ilia paddy ilia paddy and he's like oh that's a rock and a hard place for him how did this feud with you and ilia start um it started because of that um what was the fighter who got caught the georgian giga giga started because of him he just tweeted something when i first got signed and i was there tweeted back i was only i was i was very very young and immature then i was 26 but i was about 16 in the head and i just oh 24 was 26 and i started having murder with him and um i said you look like a fake russian yeah because he had the beard and the no hair you know what i mean he looked like a and he took proper offense to me and i was like oh this this russian shouts working and i said shut up like just because you get terrorized by russians and then i went to bed and i woke up the next morning to the most hate mail i've ever had in my life it was like what's going on here i only only said something and then people are saying that i'm talking about a war know what i mean like and ilia still says to this day he talks about kids getting bombed lad i we don't get taught in our schools about georgia and russia going to war you know right i had no idea that he'd had a war no idea in the slightest and he still still he still says to this day that that's what i was talking about oh in liverpool like if someone's bullying someone we'll say oh you're getting terrorized there like right the way terrorizing liverpool has nothing to do with war it's just like oh you're getting you're getting the pistol out of your day right and i was just taking the piss out of him also because you say terrorized and you were talking about russia and you're talking about georgia i think they just assumed i was so when i didn't know that they'd be into war oh wow in fact it wasn't giga by him a lion giga it was sand i spoke to giga it was good i'm good i'm cut a lad's eye oh it was him okay okay but it was like i ended up speaking to giga about it at a ufc show and he was cool about it i said to him i didn't have no idea and he's like i understand a lot of people didn't know giga was so cool about it and i was thinking why didn't why wasn't ilia like that but the way i look at it now ilia used my profile to get himself bigger because at the time no one knew the fuck ilia taporia was i don't mean he was taking fights at lightweight against chai abe when if you want to be featherweight champion you don't do that well he took that just as a short notice that's what i mean yeah like and he'd done that probably just to be in the same place as we can throw and try and start on me don't you think he just took it because it was a good fight and it was they offered him money and he wants to be active definitely no you really think it had to do with you really all all to do with me people are gonna call me a big-headed cunt and all laugh at him not asked he got on that show because he knew i was like the main thing on that show and he wanted to be there and bump into me the funniest thing about that when we bumped into each other i just went i'm gonna go and warm my eggs up boys i'm like ellis and that were like wait there i will come now i was like no i'm sorry i'll just go and warm my eggs up in london went downstairs to the thing warm the eggs up what does that mean put my eggs in the microwave okay i thought there was like a term no no just going to warm me up yeah put my eggs in the microwave so as i've put the eggs in the microwave as i've popped it open got it out went to detail and as i went to turn around and walk away ilia's just come out of this double set of doors with about 14 people and i'm just like and he looked right at me and i'm thinking is this gonna go off here so i've just put my eggs down and it's being like the table wasn't this big but it was about half the size and he's come over and said so and i've said just went what lad what are you gonna do and he's half swung at me so i've just moved out the way there was an unsanitizer bottle there i've picked it up threw it at him and then like the table got pushed we were all like that um it was funny though because one of i don't know if it was his manager or someone tried to like run around the side of the table and i went like that to him and he just went i'm one bad but someone grabbed him and all got tingy over shouting at each other and i can remember my teammates after it being like lad are you messing why did you go downstairs on your own and i'm like i didn't know that was gonna happen you know what i mean but it's a good job the rest of my teammates weren't there because it would have been a full-scale brawl in the hotel like it ended up working out better that that way that i was on my own because no one actually got it right and end up actually happening right i just threw the unsanitizer at him because he threw a punch at me but where he's only little with short arms he missed you know what i mean was there words did he tell you i'm pissed off because you connect no well he'd said he'd put a tweet before it but as i say when all that tweeting shit was getting done i'm just tweeting back to people i mean i'm not even i didn't even know who the fuck elita paulia was really yeah how the fuck am i meant to know who he is he's just some little dickhead i don't know who he is lad no one even knew who he was and it just went from there you know what i mean right and then i think the next time we've seen each other was the next time we've seen each other was the next time we've seen each other was the next when the press conference when i fought gordon and he fought bryce that night i believe so yeah i think that was the next time that was the next time we've seen each other but then i was out for a year then because i got injured in the gordon fight i was out for a year and give him his jew he he built up fast but as i said i don't think he would have been built up that fast if he didn't use my name for clout right well that's where we disagree yeah no respectfully disagree you know what i mean it's at the end of the day using the name is one thing but that guy has you've got to admit his skills i respect his skill set he is he's elite his skill set brilliant i do i respect him as a fighter i just don't respect him as a person well i think uh georgians are very proud people that's what i mean though is he georgian well he's spanish is he german he's probably a little bit of all those that's what i mean you pick one lad you can't be all three pick one can't be all three lad georgian are you spanish or are you german because i reckon you've got a german passport because you were born in germany right so stop trying to get a fan base from three different countries well he's georgian descent right yeah he's his family are georgian yeah i think you're georgian forever if you're georgian why does he walk out with a spain flag then well i think he likes to be living in spain oh he just wants more fans you think that's it yeah really i've heard everyone in spain's turning on him anyway everyone in spain everyone thinks he's a fucking fake cunt oh come on really no i have as i say i know i know people in spain don't i mean people are meant to be turning on him in spain that was this before he lost to justin or now there was there was little ruffles of it before he lost to justin but then obviously it went worse since he lost to justin once you lose that's all all the all the come out of the bandwagon they want to tear you down even further yeah always that's always you can always see that it'll be heavy if i fight him and he loses again then he won't have any fans left oh well that that is the fight that has to be made it does have to happen like it's been years in the making it's also an exciting fight skill wise like it's a very exciting fight i love them kind of fight because i get counted out in them type of fights and they're the fights i like i mean when people don't think i'll win well if anybody looks at your performance with justin and his fight with justin how and and then you beating benoit that way i don't know how anybody can count you out in any fight you're like i don't know how anybody can count you out in any fight you're like i don't like with anybody in the 155 pound division you're a nightmare i am a weirdo i always say that you can't really train to fight me because i'm so strange it's a very unusual style but it's pretty fucking effective the other the other thing that you fuck people up with it i think people have caught on now but for a while you were so jolly and having so much fun and dancing and all that stuff that people didn't take you seriously but i was saying to a friend of mine i said this is what i want you to watch i want you to watch his ring entrance and then watch his eyes once he gets inside the octagon watch the switch i go because there's a switch and here it is and we're watching i said see that i go like when you when you were when you were staring down fuck who is it you were fighting it might have been it was either justin or benoit but like there's this switch that happens you're all jolly you're doing your dance the whole crowd's dancing with you and then when you get in you're like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so you change this episode is brought to you by chime and i know people don't usually get excited about banking but chime is doing something different and it's worth paying attention to in a recent survey they ranked the number one choice for new checking accounts in america that means real people millions of them are choosing this over traditional banks that's 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No one else matters so you need to keep your eyes on him and he's not going to sign it, yeah? So your eyes need to stay firmly focused on him. When did you develop that ability to be loose and silly but then super serious once you get in. Was that something you always had? Yeah, that's something I've always had, to be honest. Well, when I was younger, when I was, I had like nine amateur fights, went nine and no amateur, and then I was four and no pro, and then I lost my first fight, four and one. All them first 14 fights, I always walked out to rap music, and then when I lost, I switched it up to dance music. Because I was always, I was, like, I used to love partying, going out all the time, you know what I mean? And that was the sort of music I listened to. and a couple of fights, I had a couple of different songs, and then I think it was when I got to, like, 8-1 or something. That song, I got someone to make that song for me. I woke up to it. It's two different songs made into one, and I don't think I'll never change it now. That's it. No, it's iconic now. It's like there's certain things, like when Frankie Edgar used to come out to Biggie. There's certain, it just seems wrong, Or when Uriah Faber, he would come out to California. It's like once, that's like who you are, you know? That's what I mean. Yeah. Do you know the story of Rory McDonald? No. What one? I've heard stories about Rory, but. This is the great story. Rory McDonald used to have the weirdest fucking walkout music. And you could see like the look on his face when he's walking out, like, what the fuck kind of music is this? And everybody was like, God, Rory's got such weird taste in music. Well, it turns out Rory had changed his phone number, and the UFC had his old phone number. The guy who got Rory's new phone number turned out to be a fan. And so, I think it was Joe Silva or whoever it was from the UFC was texting this fucking guy and saying, what do you want your walkout music to be? And he was coming out with all these crazy songs. And then eventually they brought it up to Rory. He's like, that's not my number. He's like, nobody's been asking me at all. Rory's such a psycho. He never said, I need this music. He doesn't give a fuck. That's sick. It's so funny. I mean, I think the guy did it for like four fights. How many fights did that guy pull that off for? It is one of the funniest things. That's sick. It's very funny because, you know, you've got to imagine this guy being a UFC fan and then he realizes, holy fuck, I got Rory McDonald's old number. And then he manages to keep, he doesn't say, hey, this isn't Rory. This is Bob. You know, can I get tickets? No, no, no. This guy pretends he's Rory. Oh, shit. I mean, I got a list of the songs. I don't know exactly when it started, but it's on a Reddit thread. A lot of different songs he had here and what happened. Can't touch this MC Hammer. That's definitely where Rory McDonald, that one. I wonder when it changed. I was looking for the exact moment it changed. It could be all of them for all, I don't know. This is a 10-year-old thread. I wonder. Shout out to that legend. Whoever that man is. Who is the guy? I've had it with. I don't know here either. I've had it with. Look at this. A random person who inherited his phone number selected. That is such a great fucking story. I've had it when one of my last amateur fights. We were fighting basically on like a rival gym show and I was fighting someone from the rival gym and they changed my workout song. To what? I was going to come out to Eminem, go to sleep and they changed it to like Sandstorm or something like that. And I was kind of stood in the back like. What's going on? And my coach Paul was like, they've done that on purpose. They've changed the song. Don't worry about it. Just go out and win. And I did. Well, there's always going to be people fucking with you. Especially the psychological aspect of MMA is such a huge factor. Because when people genuinely hate each other and they're thinking about their opponent all day long, no matter what they do, first of all, they're going to train harder. They get more hyped. But then they're also going to have more anxiety when they actually get to that moment for a lot of people. Yeah. You know? I think that's a perfect example for Aldo against McGregor. Yes. Yeah. Jose Aldo was so out of pocket by the time he got into the cage. He was so emotional. And so before, if you look at Aldo's other fights, look at his fights with like Chad Mendes. Yeah, he's dead calm. Calm like an assassin. But Conor is the best at that. He gets into your fucking skin. He wears it. He climbs inside your head. He's brilliant. He's right on a season of deals. He's the ultimate fighter with Ilya. That would be insane. That would be marvelous, you know? I've heard talk about that online, but has anybody actually suggested that to you? No, someone. When I was in Vegas for George's contender series fight, George Staines, I just got, I think the ultimate fighter finale was that weekend. And he just asked me, like, what's your favorite season of the ultimate fighter? And my favorite season's Rampage Rashad. Ooh, yeah. That's when I first started watching MMA. Call me a bitch. You a bitch. Call me a bitch. Make me a bitch. That was the season what was on as I first got into MMA. That season and season four with Nate Diaz, that was the, when I told my mum I was watching MMA, my mum and dad, that was the first MMA DVD they bought me. Season four of the ultimate fighter. Wow. Was that season five? I don't remember. Yeah, season four was Matt's head in that way, innit? How many seasons are there? There's about 30 or something now, like, but the first DVD I got bought was the Nate Diaz season. Where'd he beat Manny Gambodian in the final? Do you know the story about Nate going to, he won like 1500 bucks or 15,000 bucks and he went to a car dealership. He had no idea how much cars cost. And he was like, fuck. Can't even get a fucking car. But they just said like, what's your favorite season? And I said, I think Rampage Rashad. I was like, we need to get back to that. Like now, obviously, I haven't watched one for three years. But like when it's like Chile and DC. They're not going to fight each other. No one's that. Chael and Vanderlei was a good one. Yeah, that's what I mean. Three people who hate each other are going to fight each other. You need ones like that. Like even if I remember Bisbon and Mayhem Miller. That was a good season. That was a great season. That was, I remember watching that one last. Chuck and Tito, even though Tito didn't end up fighting, ended up beating Rich Franklin. Connor and Michael Chandler. I didn't even watch that one. Oh, it was a good one. Yeah, but they didn't end up fighting. Ah, good. They didn't end up fighting. They didn't end up fighting and it's a fucking travesty. Chandler sat out for two fucking years waiting for that fight. I know. If I was his friend, I would have said, Michael, you cannot do this. It doesn't matter. You must stay active and you're elite and you're 37 years old. You can't take two years off. You just can't. At his age, you just can't do that. I know. He was doing it for the McGregor payday though, man. I understand. If you don't understand why he'd done it. I understand, but he would have got that payday anyway. He would have still got that fight. Connor would have taken that fight. That's a good fight for Connor to come back to. Yeah. It's a solid fight. He's a fighter, tough guy, and not at the peak of his career. It's a good fight for Connor to come back to. And they fucking talked mad shit to each other. It would have been wild. And the way Chandler fights, he's a mad dog and he just comes at you. He is like, he didn't, I was surprised when he started to take me down. Were you really? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't think, I remember speaking to DC in the week before and I was saying, he's going to, I said to DC, I could take him down and DC was like, what? Well, DC laughed at me because I was like, no, I'll take him down. Division 1 wrestlers like so I'll take him down and he was like no pad no that's not happening I was like we'll see we'll see but then when he come out and shot within like the first minute or two I was like wow I didn't expect that I just thought he was trying to come in and try and take my head off like he does with everyone you know what I mean I expected him to come out and try and put it on me I think by the time you had fought him he was look I'm a Chandler fan I love the guy as a person he's a great fighter I think his wars that he had before he got to the UFC people have never seen them have you ever seen Eddie Alvarez yeah holy shit they are absolute scraps fucking crazy fights I mean some of the best fights that Bellator ever put on were those two guys going after each other they left a lot in that in that cage and then obviously war with Paul Reyes war with Gagey and I'd heard I don't want to spread a rumor but I'm gonna I'd heard he wasn't sparring much anymore and that he was just getting in condition and you know he's always in shape you know what I mean he's always in shape super disciplined but that's where I'm the opposite to that I spar twice a week I love sparring I love punching people in the face and getting punched in the face I love I don't understand the way Holloway says he doesn't spar he did for Gagey that's what I mean he realized he had to spar when he fought Gagey how aren't you sparring for these fights I feel like I need to spar to make sure I get my timing down and then I can actually hit people and stuff like that what you're doing on the pads doesn't always work when you spar someone and you realize what's gonna work when you spar 100% I am a weirdo I just love fighting well look at Strickland you know Strickland spars constantly constantly Pereira too Pereira spars constantly Pereira spars this week Pereira sparring this week I just saw video footage video footage of him sparring some bare knuckle guy this week I would spar this week but my coaches wouldn't let me so I'll last spar sparring's like the Tuesday before so like 10 days out okay that's smart that's smart because bruises and bullshit and little things that can happen when Oliveira was meant to fight Islan the second time wasn't he sparring like the week before and that's how he got the cut uh huh yep that's just yeah obviously if we spar not close as well we're wearing that guard Oliveira comes from a crazy gym though yeah you know the history of shoot the box oh yeah the early days crazy motherfuckers you want to talk about a mad dog gym mad dog gym mad dog gym of fucking killers Pele Anderson Silva Ninja Shogun Vanderlei fuck man yeah I used to love Shogun oh all those guys were terrors terrors in pride yeah in pride that one team was terrifying shoot the box showed up you're like oh fuck just mad animals and Rafael Cordero is a phenomenal coach yeah such an elite coach see I think we should have some pride wheels in the UFC mmm I agree I agree what are you thinking come on let's talk I think you should be able to knee on the floor I think so too and I think you should be able to kick on the floor just not stomp I sent this to a group chat that I have with Matt Serra John Rollo and Dean Thomas we have this podcast we do called Protect Your Neck and we sent this group chat and I was like this is something that I think is wrong like knees to the head on the ground especially when you're not near the cage is a completely legitimate move I don't understand why it isn't and there's places where people are stalling yeah they stall and rest there and you can't stall there in a real fight yeah so why do we have this one position where in a real fight it would never be able you'd never be able to do that yeah ever so you're allowing like one of the best techniques if a guy's in a turtle position and you have head and arm holy fuck man that's just game over yeah you know and those guys in pride like Mark Coleman you ever see Mark Coleman use knees Mark K used to do it as well didn't he oh my god you give those guys that tool in pride when someone gets to a turtle position or when you get half guard or you know when you're on side control on someone side control completely changes exactly because right now side control is like you don't see a lot of ground and pound and you can't really get many subs from there either right so guys are either moving the mount or they're trying to set something up but man you got the knees to the head are right there I just think it should be legal knees to the head and soccer kicks but not stomps I don't think stomps should be legal because your head's got nowhere to go so once it hits the canvas it's got nowhere to go but soccer kicks your head's got somewhere to go well one tried doing that I don't know if they still have soccer kicks I think they might but what they would do is the referee at least in the early days used to be able to say whether someone's clear for a soccer kick so they'd have to tell the fighter and I think the stipulation might have been if they're near the cage so this is my only point against soccer kicks and stomps and even knees to the head if you're trapped yeah if you're trapped and you get stomped that's pretty fucked up because then you have this artificial environment this boundary that's the reason I don't agree with stomps because if you stomp someone the head has it's got nowhere to it's just hitting the floor I don't mean bouncing but if it's like like what Shogun used to do with soccer kicks where he'd throw the legs and then kick them I just think they should be legal did you ever see Melvin Manhoef yeah versus Sakuraba holy shit Melvin Manhoef had a lot of fights in Liverpool he used to fight in the Olympia in Liverpool Melvin Manhoef he fought a scouser a couple of times Paul Cahoon he was a monster man yeah he was a fucking monster and he would come out with a dog collar on just dancing around and he was so powerful man he was such a freak he was one of the first people that was finishing people with leg kicks really oh yeah man yeah he was he finished Mark Hunt with one punch he knocked out Mark Hunt I know you know how crazy that is he was a middleweight as well he was like 185 yeah and he knocked out Mark Hunt who was like 270 or something especially in pride when they don't let you yeah you can weigh whatever the fuck you want that was Melvin was a monster and he's another guy like you know you have Shoot the Box in Brazil Mike's Gym in Holland is famous for like just ferocious assassins you know like so many of those guys who Badr Hari came out of there here it is boom I mean to knock out Hunt look at the size difference look at this boom I mean that is crazy that just shows you how spectacular Melvin Manhoef was in his prime time he was so fun to watch too because he would come out with those gladiator shorts on and he'd be dancing and he just looked like he couldn't wait to fight just couldn't wait to get in there see if you can find Melvin versus Sakuraba that was a hard one to watch because no yeah that was a crazy beatdown weren't it but Sakuraba was a legend but he had too many of them yeah like why did they make him fight Wanderlei four times look at his legs look how taped up his knees were his knees were destroyed by then destroyed the fact that he would go in there look at his knees they're wrapped up like a fucking mummy that's all like athletic tape man that's to keep his knees glued together so it doesn't pop out of place all his ligaments and all his shit everything was destroyed his cartilage his fucking meniscus is gone he's got no knees man he's in there on adrenaline and heart and samurai spirit this is a terrible resolution some of the who filmed this fucking thing this is like some 1960s footage filmed on a motorola bro he was so ferocious he was so ferocious by the time he got to Bellator and well by the time he got to Strikeforce Robbie Lawler knocked him out that was a crazy one the back end of his career then weren't he yeah you could only take so many of those and the way he would fight it was do or die like someone's going to sleep period there's no decisions Melvin Banho fights it was just chaos and if it went to decision it was an accident you know they were they were chaos I'd love to do that though I'd love to just keep fighting keep round round round until someone finishes someone I think that'd be sick do you think this is an interesting conversation that came up the other day Josh Barnett actually brought this up on Ariel Helwani's show he said I think that five minutes is too much is too short it's too short a round in the old days of pride it was ten and two fives and two fives do you think that's better I think all the rounds need to be the same length do you think they should maybe do for a title fight three ten minute rounds yeah that'd be good that'd be alright wouldn't it that would be wild especially some of these guys as long as as long as you haven't got someone's back or the body triangle and he stands you off that was crazy that was crazy that was crazy that was the worst stand up in the history of the sport I love Dan Mergliata he's a very nice guy but he's a human and all humans fuck up make mistakes yeah he you just don't do that I don't care if the crowd's booing let them boo they're casuals he's got his back is it the most exciting thing in the world no still better than baseball stop stop it's still better than baseball no if someone's got a body triangle and you're on someone's back you can't be standing them up listen if my coach Paul said to me did that happen to you I would've got kicked out of the arena yeah it is insane because you work so hard to get to that position and it only takes half a second for them to move their neck or move their arm out of place and you've got the choke yes so like and it can happen yeah you know and you've got to give a guy an opportunity to 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Mae hynny'n dda iawn. Mae'n dda iawn. Mae hynny'n dda iawn. "Please mention me" and then he mentioned me and we were all like that "Yes! He could be next!" Was that a thing? Was that. I don't know if it was after or before or for Chandler, it was a few years ago but we were like "Yes!" All made up, celebrating, thinking "Yeah, Moicano's next" and then the fight just never ended up happening. Mae hyn yn cael ei ddysgu wrthych chi gan "Perplexity". Rydych chi wedi clywed fy mod i'n ei ddweud yn holl amser. Cofiwch yn "Perplexity". Dyma beth rydw i'n ei ddefnyddio i ymchwilio. Rydych chi'n gofyn cwestiwn, mae'n rhoi ateb sylfaenol i chi ac mae'n dangos i chi ble mae'n cael y gwybodaeth. Felly gallwch chi edrych ar yr adnoddau eich hun. Ond weithiau, nid ydych chi angen ateb yn unig. Mae angen rhywbeth wedi'i wneud. Felly mae "Perplexity" wedi adeiladu cynnyrch newydd o'i enw "Computer Perplexity". Rydych chi'n ei roi'n swydd iawn ac mae'n ymchwilio, mae'n gweithio dros eich ffyliau a'r apau ac mae'n dod yn ôl gyda peth o ddiwedd. Rhywbeth, ysgrifennu, bydd hi hyd yn oed yn adeiladu'ch ap. Felly beth bynnag rydych chi wedi'i roi allan, rhannwch "Computer Perplexity" y swydd. Cofiwch hi ar www.pplx.ai/joerogan. Diolch yn fawr. Wel, mae'n rhan o'r dyn sy'n gweld bod siwt yn siwt yn y ffordd, roedd hynny'n cymryd amser. Ie. Oherwydd roedd hi'n gweld yn gynharach yn ei gyrfa, roedd hi'n cymryd. Beth oedd hi? Rydw i'n cofio. Roedd hi'n cymryd rhai dyn da, ond rydw i'n cofio pwy oedd o pan ddechreuodd ei ddechrau siwt yn siwt. Roeddwn i'n mynd i ddweud a oedd hi'n cymryd Ortega ac roedd Ortega wedi cymryd hi, oedd hi? Rwy'n meddwl. Rwy'n cofio. Rwy'n ceisio ddysgu beth oedd y ffaith. Rwy'n cofio, yn amlwg, cyn i mi fod yn y UFC newydd, roedd gen i bwysau arno. Rwy'n cofio, roedd gen i, roedden ni'n ei alw'n "accumulator", roedd hi'n ei alw'n "parlay". Roedd gen i, fel, 6 ffaits, ac roedd hi'n cwmio Aldo. Ac roeddwn i'n meddwl, "Dyma'r dyn newydd sy'n dod i fyny, Moicano", ac fe wnaeth i roi Moicano, ac roedd hi'n y llawr. Ac wedyn, fe wnaeth hi ddiweddar. Ie. Mae Aldo yn dal i fod yn Aldo. Ie, yn unrhyw beth, mae'n dal i fod yn Aldo. Mae'n dal i fod yn unrhyw beth, mae'n falch. Mae'n ddiddorol sut ifanc mae'n ymwneud â'r ffaith. Mae'n ddyfyn, ac ymwneud â'r ffaith roeddwn i'n meddwl. A wnaeth hi wneud llwyddo i Cwb? Pwy oedd ei ffaith diwethaf? Na. Beth yw ei enw? Y Cenedlaid? A mi a'r Al-Bazi. O, iawn, iawn, iawn, iawn. Ie. Zahabi, Al-Bazi. Ie, Eamon, Eamon Zahabi. Ie, roeddwn i'n meddwl ei fod yn ganu'r ffaith. Roedd yn agos, ond roeddwn i'n meddwl ei fod yn ganu'r ffaith. Mae llawer o bobl yn meddwl ei fod yn ganu'r ffaith, dydyn nhw? Mae llawer o bobl yn meddwl ei fod yn ganu'r ffaith hwn. Ie, felly, ble ydym ni arno, Jamie? Ie, roedd Zahabi yn yr un olaf i Aldo. Roedd yn ddau mlynedd yn ôl pan oedd hi'n fod yn. Pan oedd hi'n fod yn Moitano. Roeddwn i yng Nghymru gyda fy mab 21. Ie, mae yno. Yn y dda. TKO, pwntiau, yng Nghymru. Mae'n cael ei gyffredin yn Gymru. Roeddwn i yno yng Nghymru pan oedd hi'n cymryd Chad Mendes. Roedd hi'n mynd allan o'r cais ac yn mynd i'r cyffredin. Roedd hi'n mynd i'r cyffredin. Roedd hi'n danio gyda'r holl bobl a'r cyffredin. Roedd yn wych. Roedd yn wych. Mae'n ddyn Rhyw, oherwydd pan oedd hi ar y top, roedd hi'n ddyn anodd. Roedd hi'n ddyn ar y top yn hyn o bryd. Pan edrychwch arno nawr, mae'n ddiddorol. Roedd hi'n anodd gwneud 45. Pan oedd hi'n gweithio i 35, oedd hi'n arwain yn 35. Yn un ffaith yn ôl i ddod o'r taitl, mae'n anodd i'w gwneud 35. Ie, mae'n anhygoel bod y rhai yn rhaid i'w ddysgu beth yw eu ffram. Y ffordd mae'r llwythoedd yn ei ddysgu heddiw yn anodd iawn. Felly, yn y prymau, doedd Frankie Edgar ddim yn llwytho unrhyw ffordd. Nid. Mae'n anhygoel. Mae'n anhygoel. ond dwi'n meddwl bod hynny'n rhaid i mi fod yn hyderus iawn hefyd. Ie, ac roedd ganddo rhai o'r cofnodiadau gorau hefyd. Roedd y cofnodiadau'n ddrwg. Roedd yn gallu gwneud 5 llyfrau'n hawdd. Ie. Ie, roeddwn i'n cofio gwrando y ffwrdd neu'r ail ffight Gray Maynard yn fyw. Ond roedd yn y ddwy o'r trilogy ond y ffwrdd cyntaf o'r ffight, lad. Ddrwg. Y ffordd y gwnaethoch chi ddod yn ôl yn y ffight, roedd pawb yn meddwl bod hynny'n barod. was a bad mother fucker in his prime. Grey Maynard was an elite wrestler who had crazy power. Like, crazy. And really good boxing skills and was aggressive. And he put it on Frank, you know, was like, "Oh, this is over. This fight's over." I couldn't believe it when he come back like this. I couldn't believe it. I was watching that live. He came back and stopped him. You're like, "How? How? How did he survive?" Cos he got rocked in both fights, didn't he, in the first round? Yes. Well, Grey rocked a lot of people. Yeah. Grey has serious power. Ac yn ei prifysgol, roedd yn ddiffyg i unrhyw un. Roedd yn gallu cwrdd â chi ac roeddech chi'n dda. Roedd yn 55 maes mawr ar hyn o bryd hynny. Nawr mae'n ymddangos bod y 50. Mae rhai o'r bobl hyn yn fawr iawn, rydych chi'n fawr iawn. Pan wyf yn gweld chi yno weithiau, unwaith y byddwch chi wedi cofnodi. Ydw. Ydw, ac rwy'n meddwl, diolch yn fawr iawn. Rydych chi'n llawer fwy na 155 pan fyddwch chi'n ffeithio. people think i'm lying when i get back in there but i can remember when i like literally can i guess which way yeah 180 182 190 190 wow when like i weighed in one the last one i weighed in 156 was drinking all my liquids two hours later i was 170 again 169 170. wow then i i like breakfast and stuff then i have a nap then i go back to the arena and do the official weighing and then we go back to the hotel and have a proper feast in the night and then i wake up the next morning again like 185 190. wow and then i'll have like i won't i don't normally eat that much they have a fight and then i'll go to go to the venue and they weighed me last time but like i had the track i'd empty me pockets but i had the track shoes on and stuff like that and i was one nine three or four wow but that was with the track suit on that's all we just called it 190. yeah that's a lot of Yr un peth sy'n gwneud i mi sgwrsio yw pan roedd un o'r 4kg yn gwneud fideo o fi yn y tŵr yn bwyta rhywfaint o geli ac mae pobl yn dweud, "He ate that whole bag of sweets!" "It was a fucking kilo of sweets, lad!" "Do you think I'm eating a kilo of fucking sweets in the back, you silly bastards?" "I had a handful of them!" "People were like, 'You ate the full thing! You ate the full thing!" "I never! You know what I mean?" "There's no excuse for that fight, you know what I mean?" "It's not like I ate something, you just beat me!" I know elite endurance athletes that eat candy. candy yeah no it's they like yeah fast carbs yeah it's not good for you under regular circumstances if you live a sedentary lifestyle to eat candy all day but if you're like remember courtney courtney dowalter courtney dowalter who is a uh she she does these ultra marathons she she beat all the men it was i think it was a 250 mile race and she was i think was she eight hours ahead of the y prif, y person yn ail lle, sy'n ddyn. Mae hi'n drio bier, yn bwysig. Fy math o ddyn. Dim ond tywyll mentol sylfaenol, yn sylfaenol. Felly, yn un o'i rhwyddoedd, fe wnaeth hi ddylirio mor iawn ei fod wedi llwyddo, fe wnaeth hi'n llwyddo a llwyddo, fe wnaeth hi'n llwyddo, fe wnaeth hi'n llwyddo, ac ar hyn o bryd mae hi'n mynd, mae hi'n mae hi'n hir hwnnw, ac mae hi'n parhau i ddod i lawr, ac mae hi'n dal i gyrru, felly mae ei chyllid yn llwyr, mae hi'n llwyr ychwanegol, mae hi'n dal i gynnal, mae hi'n dal i ddod i lawr, dwi ddim yn gwybod a oedd hi'n cael ei gynnal, ond mae hi'n dal i gynnal, 250 miliwn, dwi'n meddwl ei bod hi'n cael ei gynnal, iawn? Ie, 250 miliwn. Mae hi'n cael ei gynnal ychydig, ond nid yw hi'n cyflawnio, roedd hi'n cyflawnio'r rhesymau hynny a'i gwrthdaro i ddynion eraill dros 7-8 awr. Mae hynny'n hynod ychydig yn gyffredinol. Ie, mae hynny'n drosglwyddo. Gallai'r dyn honno wedi cymryd 5 awr i'w ysgrifennu. Mae'n dal i fynd i fyny. Oherwydd maen nhw ddim yn ysgrifennu. Maen nhw ddim yn ysgrifennu, maen nhw'n parhau i fyny am 3 diwrnod. Yn y lefel nesaf, dydw i ddim yn deall sut y gall pobl ei wneud. lle bydden nhw'n marw neu'r dyn ynghylch iddo yn marw. Ie, mae gennym dyn yn y gym sy'n mynd i Vegas a'i gwneud malatons a phethau fel hyn. Mae'n rannu bob diwrnod i 1,400 diwrnod neu rywbeth fel hynny. Rydw i'n golygu? Ie. Mae'n gwneud 10, 15, 20 myl per diwrnod. Wel, roedd Ferguson yn hyfforddi gyda Goggins pan roedd hi'n eich hyfforddi. Ie. Roeddwn i'n dweud, "Ehh, dyna ddim yn y ffordd gorau." Oherwydd mae'r broblem yw, mae Goggins yn mynd i'ch rhwystrau bob dydd, ac nid wyf yn gwybod os ydyn nhw'n dweud y byddwch yn mynd i'ch rhwystrau bob dydd ac yna'n gweithio. Nid wyf yn gwneud hynny. Rwyf wedi dweud hynny fy hun yn y budd i'r ffermwr hwnnw, mae'n debyg ei fod yn mynd i fod yn ymddygiadol. Ie, iawn. Nid ydych am hynny i fynd i'r fferm. Mae Tony wedi cael ymddygiad anhygoel. Pan oedd yn ei prifysgol, roedd Tony Ferguson yn un o'r trageddau mwyaf yn y hanes y ffordd, roedd hi'n troi dros gwiriau yn y diwethaf, roedd hi'n gwneud cysylltiad â'r ESPN, ac fe wnaeth ei llythio'n ôl, ac fe wnaeth troi dros gwiriau. Mae'n ddrwg iawn, oherwydd cyn hynny roedd Tony yn y bogeyman, roedd hi'n ysgrifennu pawb. Dw i'n meddwl bod rhywbeth a wnaeth ychwanegu hwnnw mewn gwirionedd oedd ei hun pan oedd hi wedi gwneud y cut yna. 4 wythnos cyn ei fod wedi cael ei ddefnyddio. Sut oedd hi wedi gwneud cut yna? Oherwydd roedd hi wedi cael ei ddefnyddio, ond wedi cael ei gyflawni. A dywedodd, "Dwi'n mynd i wneud cut yna hyd yn oed." Ac fe wnaeth ei ddefnyddio i 55. Sut oedd hi'n gwneud hynny? Ac yna, ychydig wythnos yn ddiweddar, cael ei gyflawni. ac roedd yna 5 neu 6 wythnos ar ôl ei bod wedi gwneud y cut ychydig yn ddiwethaf. Felly roedden ni'n rhaid gwneud y cut ychydig yn ddiwethaf. Ydych chi'n credu bod hynny wedi'i ffitio arno? Ydw i'n credu mae'n rhyfeddol. Mae gwneud 2 cut ychydig yn 6 wythnos pan rydych chi. Ni allwn wneud 2 cut ychydig yn 6 wythnos. Ni allwn wneud hynny. Mae'n dda iawn. Dydw i ddim yn teimlo ei fod yn dda iawn. Dwi ddim yn. ond nid yw Tony'n casglu'n llawer fawr na chi nid, nid ydw i'n teimlo bod The worst thing for me to make ways is the eight weeks of dieting leading up to it. Ten weeks of dieting, I don't care. Getting in a bath. Getting in a bath and sweating is sad. That's all up here. It's the eight weeks leading up to it where you can't even go and see your mates because you can't be worried about eating something. Right. Like, my kids are sitting. So you're starting eight weeks out. Yeah, ten weeks sometimes. But don't you think that's because you like to eat so much? I think the ten-week sacrifice is worth it for me to do what I want. I was actually reading something. See if you can find this article, Jamie. It was that a bath is actually better for you than a sauna. Yeah, because the water doesn't have anywhere to go. Yeah, I was just reading that. So all you folks out here have been hearing me talking about the benefits of sauna, and you're like, fuck you, I don't have a sauna. If you have a bath, that's better. It's actually better. I've been doing hot baths now for 12 years or something. Makes sense. You know what's really good? Hot baths with Epsom salts. That's what we do. When you want to get more out of you, that's what we do. Magnesium, too. It's one of the best ways your body absorbs magnesium. I don't even really use the sweet sweat anymore. No? Don't need to. Especially in a bath. It doesn't make any sense. Don't need to use the sweet sweat. Just sweat anyway. I can do easily for like 14, 15 pounds in a bath. Wow. That's crazy. Does that ever fuck your kidneys up? Or do you ever feel like, what do you feel like when you're actually on the scale? Now I do it. We do it that professionally now. It's so good. It's hard. Really? Back in the day when I was fighting for the cage warriors featherweight title. When I fought for it, when I defended it. Some of the worst weight cuts I've ever done. At 45, what did you walk around back then? Well, when I fought Julian Arosa, I can remember I was, this is quite funny actually. I was in a cave four weeks before it. A cave? A rave. A rave in a cave. And I was in there boozed, eating crisp and stuff like that on the aisle. And one of my mates rang me. There was a cage warriors on. And he's like, lad, they've just announced their next fight. I'm like, have they? He's like, yeah, you're fighting that Julian Arosa after the ultimate fight. I'm like, am I? Were you fucked up? Yeah. I was pissed as a fart. And he, I'm like, am I? I'm like, yeah. Like, I had to get in the gym that Monday and I had, what, like 25, 26 days to make weight. And I think I was 87K and I had to be 65.8. So I had like 21K to lose. Wow. In less than four weeks. So for people at home, what is that? 49 pounds? What is that? Something like that, yeah. And in the end. What is it? How many kilos? 22 kilos? Yeah, 21 kilos it was. Because I was like 80. 45 pounds? It was like 87 kilo and I had to be 65.8 to make weight. So what do you do? How do you start that? That one was just like, that one was bad. That one was like 1,500 calories a day or something. Stuggling to get through workouts. Doesn't that fuck with your workouts bad though? Yeah, it did. That's why in the end, like I had, that fight I had, like I literally, that one I cut 8.4 kilo overnight, which is 17, 18 pound, the night before on the day of, and that was, I've never felt that bad. Oh, maybe the next one as well, the next weight cup, but that one was bad. That was when I fought a Rosa and I won that fight, but I think that was before the judging criteria got changed. And I think if it was the new judging criteria, I think I would have lost that fight. I think a Rosa would have won. What was the difference in the criteria in that? Because I never saw that fight. It was more like on wrestling. It was more like control wrestling. And I, like I gassed after round three, four and five, I was just surviving. But I ran at him in like the first or the second round I think it was, and he dropped me. Or I went down, but I grabbed his leg and took him down. So I ended up winning that round. Where if you use this criteria now. Right. I think he would have won that round. Right. I've said that to him when I've trained in his gym and stuff. I've said, I've said that to him, like, I reckon you would have won that fight if it was like the new criteria. And obviously it was probably, it was, it wasn't home soil for me, but it was London. It was the UK. But I think I'd say that's a close-off, like, just as close as the Jared Gordon fight. If you did go back and watch it. Yeah. If you went off the criteria now, I reckon a Rosa would have beat me because I gassed after three. I was like that for four and five. I reckon he definitely won four and five, but it was me takedowns what won me that fight. The Jared. The Jared Gordon fight was close. It was close. I thought Jared won that fight. No, no. Most people thought Jared won that fight, lad. It was close. And it's interesting, like, you look at your career afterwards and his career afterwards, how one fight changes so much, you know? There's been times in history where there's been questionable decisions where you just go, wow, what would have been? A lot of people have got them on the record, haven't they? Like, people always mention Tabau and Khabib. Yes. A lot of people thought Tabau won that fight. I thought he won that fight, too. Do you know what I mean? I rewatched it, too. I mean, not by a lot, but I thought, you know, I thought a decision is rightful. Yeah. But you know the big one? Dominic Reyes. Dominic Reyes and John Jones. Oh, yeah, Dominic Reyes and John Jones. That's the biggest one. That's the big one. I've watched that a few times. I think Dominic won that fight. Everyone thinks he won the first three, yeah. I think he won that fight. Yeah. And John's the greatest of all time. Yeah. But I watched that fight. I was like, I think Dominic won that fight. And it's crazy because Dominic went on like a four-fight losing streak after that. Crazy. It literally altered his career. Crazy. Yeah. But I think he's back now. You know, he's a very resilient guy. Yeah, that knockout he got the other week was brilliant. Yeah. I watched it now. It was a lovely finish. Brilliant. And Mirza Konov is a fucking beast. Yeah. You know, that guy's no joke. I think it would be a great fight, Reyes and Paolo Costa. Oh, fuck yeah. That'd be a scrap. That's a good one. That's a real good one. That'd be a scrap. Paolo Costa's a fucking beast at 205. I don't know how the fuck he made 185 to begin with. I know. He's a guy. Him and Yoel. Yoel's the most confusing one. When I talked to Yoel Romero, I'm like, how? How are you? Because I would be standing there next to him weighing 200 pounds. And I was like, how have you ever been 185 pounds? That doesn't make any sense. You're so big. And he's like a brick. He's just solid. Robert Whitaker said that he kicked him. He says, he goes, it's like I'm hitting steel. He said, I was the only guy that I've ever hit a guy with a calf kick and came out second best. He goes, it hurt my leg when I calf kicked him. It's fucking nuts. It's fucking nuts, man. He was like a boogeyman as well, weren't he, Yoel Romero? He was like a boogeyman. And we didn't even get him into MMA until he was in his late 30s. Yeah. I think his first MMA fight, I think he was 35 or 36 years old. He had a bare knuckle boxing match with fucking Darren Tillio that we've had. I thought he won. I thought he won that fight. A lot of people, I'll be honest, I don't really watch bare knuckles, so I didn't watch it. I can't say who won. I thought he won. He dropped him. I've seen a lot of people saying he thought he won as well. But as I said, I don't really watch bare knuckle boxing, so I couldn't really say. And he's 50. What the fuck, man? He's 50 and shredded. Looks amazing. And has endurance. Still explosive. Still moves great. He's like defying time. He's like aging at half speed. It's nuts, man. Because even if he came back to the UFC, he's a fucking nightmare for 80% of the roster at 185 pounds. No, he is, definitely. But not 185. He's never made it to 205. Not anymore. Not anymore. But even at 205, he's a fucking nightmare. Even when he fought Izzy. Like, he realized that, like, Izzy likes you to come after him and he likes to counter. So he just stood in front of him. It was a round away from winning that fight. Yes. That's the round away from winning. Oh, he's going to wrestle Bo Nickel. RAF 16. All right. I have a thought on this. I don't think it's wise. I like that RAF is doing this. I love it. I love RAF. However, when you've got a guy like Bo Nickel, who is right now one of the top contenders in the middleweight division, and you're wrestling. There is a. There is a real possibility that you could blow a knee out. 100%. I wouldn't do anything like that. Fuck that. I see these guys doing that. I'm like, I understand you're going to pick up some money. I understand. It's great. I understand you represent your sport. Freak weird things happen. I'm an MMA fighter, first and foremost, so I'm not going to go and do some grappling thing or some wrestling thing or anything like that. Cub Swanson did that. Yeah. He did a grappling match, blew out his ACL. That's what I mean. I just don't understand why people do it. No, I don't understand. I don't understand why they do it either. And it gives away part of your game. It does a little bit, yeah. It gives away part of your game, though. Right, right. You want to surprise people with. I just wouldn't go and do anything like that. Yeah. I'm a fighter at the end of the day. I want to be an MMA fighter. I want to be UFC champion, so I'm not going to go and do other shit. I can understand. It's good for dickheads like Harmon. You need the publicity because no one likes him. It's good for people like that. You don't think people like him? No, he's a wanker. I like him. I'm sorry. I do. Little daddy's boy, lad. He is a very odd situation. I'll tell you that. It's very odd that a guy is the child of a rich man. Grew up wealthy. He's wealthy as fuck right now. Does not have to fight for the rest of his life and still is world class. You got to give him that. No, he is just a very good fighter. He's world class. I didn't think he looked good in that fight, though. He knocked him out in the first round. Couldn't take him down. Well, Hufi had been training with Volkanovski. No, I know. I think he really tightened up his takedown defense. Hufi's got so much better. Since he started to train with Volkanovski. Yeah. And his last fight before that was BSD. Right. But, like, BSD, absolutely. mauled him on the ground and then Arman couldn't take him down true but I think he got better I think the BSD fight opened his eyes he beat Fiziev then he beat Chandler and then he fought Arman you know what I mean yep the Chandler fight I kind of that was the one fight where on the White House card I was like this one's a tough one this is tough for Michael I just don't see how he gets close to that guy I think he needed to use his wrestling against Rufy I think anyone does need to use their wrestling really I think Rufy's got some of the best stipend in the division very good striking and very long very tall very slick I'm about the same size as Rufy I think you know what I mean he seems like he's a little taller than you is he he might be a little inch taller but I'm wider he fights long he fights very long I think he's boss to watch I love watching Rufy fight he's great to watch I love watching him fight but the BSD fight exposed a level of his grappling was at a level that it's gonna take an incredible amount of work to get to the top guys guys like you he's so far off if a guy like BSD can dominate him that badly on the ground it's like boy that's tough because he got dominated it wasn't like competitive grappling exchanges where you know he got on top sometimes but BSD got on top more it was BSD mauling yeah that's a problem because when then when someone sees that they're like oh let's replicate that and that's how you beat him especially a guy who's an elite guy like yourself or a guy who's a really good grappler after that when you watch that you're thinking I'm gonna do that to him I'm gonna take him down and I'm gonna the question I always get is like how much better can you get you're 34 or 32 years old and you're gonna fight world class guys for the next couple of years how much better can you get at grappling because you need to get a lot better so it's a real tricky situation when something like that gets exposed because if you're in there with a guy who can take you down who's an elite grappler like he's always gonna know that that pathway exists you don't have the skills at least didn't at the time have the skills to stop that and how much skills can you acquire over the next couple of years I think you can always get better for sure you can always get better no matter what but how much better can you get like a good example for me is like John Jones is Cyril Ghosn right John Jones takes Cyril Ghosn down like that submits him first round you know and it's like wow like can you can Cyril ever get to a point where John Jones can't take him down do you know what I mean like if he has to fight again like if John decides to come back and John so let's say Cyril beats Hokid this weekend and then John says fuck it one more time you know wheel out the Brinks truck you wanna sell some pay-per-views at heavyweight I'm the fucking man that is true if John decides to come back and say I want one more they gotta give him a world title fight you do it with him and Cyril Ghosn and he Cyril Ghosn knows just a few years ago was it 2023 they fought I think yeah three years ago John took him down like that submitted him like that so it's like how much better can you get in three years where that guy can't do that to you because the way he did it to him was like you know he's just that much better yeah that was like taking candies from a baby as they say weren't it that was just easy just got him immediately cinched him down full control got his neck that's a wrap I mean it was it was so complete quite quick as well to be honest what's that I thought Cyril tapped quite quick I think it hurt like a motherfucker yeah you know it was a front choke right didn't John have the head trap he was like stood over him wasn't he with all the leverage of John's length and his skills like remember when we did that to Lyoto Machida here it is right here so he got him down got on top of him as soon as he sunk it in and John's left handed too he gets that left arm on that chin and he's just head cranking the fuck out of him it doesn't even look like it's under the chin yet there oh he's just head cranking him he's head cranking him I mean it's just right now this is nasty his whole head is sideways John's just so fucking strong he's so strong like weirdly strong you know it's just years of grappling and there it is there it is I mean bro that is nasty that is so nasty he's pretty fast there I thought I don't think so I think that was a wrap son look at look where his head's trapped that's just the thing with me I'm going out there yeah I get it I'm going unconscious I get it I'm not especially in a world title fight and he's everybody shush I'm going unconscious definitely so like there's moments where you look at it like this is one of the things that makes it interesting I was just talking to a friend of mine who I respect a lot I won't say his name until after the fight he says I think Josh Hockett's gonna win this weekend I was like really really you really that confident cause for me it's like boy I think Cyril Ghosn is one of the biggest puzzles in the heavyweight division I think it's bad for the sport if Josh Hockett wins I think it's bad do you really it's bad bad for the sport if Josh Hockett wins I think he's a crazy wanker is he at least playing crazy I don't know if he is crazy I just hate like as you know I hate Colby Covington I hate the acting I hate the sign of being something you're not just be yourself why are you putting this act on and it just pisses me off but it's the same thing sort of that Money Moicano does but he's still himself he's still himself he's still himself he's not being he's not like trying to be nothing he's not that's just him he's a funny person anyway like he's not like when Hockett's doing all that stupid oh right he's pretending to be sick on himself and stuff like that you know what I mean and like everything I've ever heard about Colby Covington is behind the scenes he's one of the nicest men he's a nice guy that's it I've hung out with him at the comedy store in LA I've heard he's one of the nicest fellas about so when he's the way he is on camera it's like what are you doing you know what I mean I get it but it's also Colby was about to get cut and he fought Damien Maia in Brazil and they were gonna cut him there's the UFC has an issue with guys who win but are not exciting if you don't get the fans stirred up and they will cut you and I'm against it I am a purist well I didn't agree with him for you I did not agree with that at all I didn't agree with him getting cut at all I say if you think he's boring and I don't think he's boring I think he's very skillful I like watching him fight just because the guy's not finishing fights look at Yves Louevre just fought for the title he never finished anybody but still I love watching him fight you know Yves Louevre is a fucking elite fighter man you watch him fight it's very interesting I think what he did with Lerone was incredibly impressive because he did it on the feet as well he beat him on the feet and then the grappling is elite that was another fight a lot of people were calling Robert E though the Yves Louevre Lerone Murphy fight really what did they think because they told us it was 3-2 Yves Louevre but he had a point off everyone said a lot of median things like that should have been a draw interesting I'll have to go back and watch it again but my point was he's not finishing anybody he didn't finish anyone and yet he still got a title fight and you know Bashar is winning he's undefeated he was 7-0 in the UFC yes and like I don't like the pressure that gets put on people to fight outside of their technique and skill and to just like bite down your mouthpiece and throw I think that's crazy I think you should you should fight the best way you know how to fight and hopefully it's really exciting but it's going to be exciting anyway and if you don't think he's exciting put him in there with someone who is exciting who's a fucking madman who's going to force him to fight a certain way but until he until he loses cutting someone I think is crazy it's just that the time like a lot of people I remember I remember a lot of people saying GSB was boring when I was watching you know what I mean I remember a lot of people crazy madness casuals casuals people saying GSB was boring insane how his fight IQ was off the chart and he beat people he's another example that those wrestlers hate he didn't wrestle in high school he didn't wrestle in college best wrestler in the MMA they hate that shit they always want to say division one division one all American like settle down this fucking Canadian guy who speaks French is just fucking everybody up just double legging people for shits and giggles bro it's really funny when I bring him around people that don't know who he is they have no idea who he is they never guess they never guess he was hanging out at the mothership he's got like a golf shirt on super friendly to everybody and I said to this friend I go do you know who that is and they go no I go that's one of the baddest cage fighters that's ever walked the face of the earth he was like no way I go yeah that's George St. Pierre he's like what I remember he was at he was at a cage one time in Manchester and I spoke to him there and he's one of the nicest men ever like he's so like polite and like quiet and respectful you know what I mean you would never imagine that he was such a ferocious fighter he was another guy with a switch he had a switch you would see him get inside the cage and he would just switch over you would see him just get locked in and focused and switched and you know he had such a great team too Firas Zahabi and John Donaher two of the greatest minds in combat sports ever together working with him you know and Firas Firas would pay people to try to knock him out he would he would tell sparring partners I'll give you more money if you can knock him out because he just wanted George to be fighting in like chaotic situations you know he wanted him to be like very comfortable with like wild chaos yeah it does help like you know what I mean because nothing can prepare you for a fight like a fight nothing like a fight yeah I mean especially if you're you know at that level where it's like the difference between victory and defeat is It's like small moments in a fight that can shift the time. and turn the way things go it's like boy you need to be 100% prepared so you need the right people watching you every step of the way like real trainers which is one of the things I think it's like pros and cons of these big giant gyms you know the pros are yeah for me the pros of a giant gym is you have unlimited sparring partners you've got so many different styles wherever you're fighting you've got someone to spar with but for me the cons are just aren't like a team I don't feel like any of them are a team no see you on the UFC now like oh these boats ain't at the same gym right what right you'd never see me catching catch me fighting any of my teammates I consider them family they're all like me brothers yeah yeah like we look after each other you would never see me fighting like George Staines or Luke Riley or Adam Cullen or anyone like that it just wouldn't happen never happen like as I've said it through the week perfect scenario for me it'd be I end up winning the lightweight belt I can defend it a few times George comes through the ranks I can vacate the belt and let him fight for it and move up to welterweight that's dreamland like don't get me wrong but that would be perfect because I'm never gonna fight him you know what I mean we spar in the gyms twice a week yeah I'm with him every day we train together I wind him up every day you know what I mean so like just to think like I'd get in there and fight him or like even Luke who's been saying him with like seven eight years it's not happening I mean you couldn't give me an unlimited amount of money to do that yeah that was a big thing with Rashad with Rashad and John Jones because they trained together and they were friends yeah and then when John had to step in for Rashad and won the title and then all of a sudden it became they were fight each other and it became a giant issue because like Rashad was like I thought we're never gonna fight each other yeah like I thought we're friends that's mad like I I just I couldn't even contemplate that that had never happened in our gym no one in our gym would ever fight someone else in the gym but in them big super gyms in America yeah two people who train under the same roof they might go in at different times and all stuff like that but they're saying in the same place they've got like the same coaches and they're gonna fight each other that just blows my mind lad that's just crazy I could see it both ways some guys agree it's okay this is a business and we both have a dream and we just we're both going to just have to fight and we'll be friends afterwards I could see that some guys that's their attitude but I also see your attitude and I love that I love the camaraderie that you get from sweating with people every day training with people and knowing that they have your back yeah like knowing that if they have a heel hook they're not going to yank on it knowing if they have a head kick they're going to pull it you know what I mean like there's things you do things for each other in the gym for friends too like you don't hurt each other on purpose happens but you pull things you you take care of each other you want to be able to train again tomorrow exactly and you also you go through things where you're helping each other in the corner you're pumping people up for the fight you love them they're like brothers to fight that kind of a person someone who's that close to you it's really like fighting an actual brother and I can't I can't imagine I spend more time in the gym with them people than my actual brother and like my mate by ours who I've grew up with who I consider brothers yeah I mean so yeah for someone to say you want to go in there and fight him and try and knock him out he's not saying enough nah it's also you know each other like no one knows each other because you know each other inside out because you've done that many hours of training together yeah if you train with someone you know them you know you just you you get it as I say that just blows my mind people who train in the same gym fighting each other I just think it's I think it's wrong personally I just I get it that's the way MMA is there's only a lot of people just think oh there's only a certain few gyms you can go to where I'm still training in the same gym as I walked into when I was 15 years old I haven't ever trained anywhere else with anyone else I've went and done a little bit to say in any of the nerd like little when I've been in other countries and stuff but I've never had a different head coach always being Paul and I've always had Ellis Hampton who was my teammate but he's now my coach no I mean I've never had any head coaches yeah well that's awesome I think that's great especially since it's working out unfortunately for some people it's not working out and they're in a situation where they do have to make a change because maybe the coaching staff can't handle their talent but when people are together day in and day out like that it develops a bond a closeness that very few people understand you really know them chrome Gracie had a very wise statement once we were talking about something and he was talking about some guy says I reserved my judgment on who a man is until I roll with him I was like that's smart because like you there's no there's no in rolling you know what I'm saying it's a very wise thing yeah you know because you know like you hear people talk like I said full I don't know well who knows maybe maybe it's just maybe even being paranoid but you know when you get on the matter someone's bullshitting on us don't you exactly you do yeah you do 100 percent and know each other you know what what each other's are capable of that's why when you have a gym like Khabib's gym where you have this one guy who's such a dominant force of discipline and will who's like the head guy and it's like he sort of forces this ethic throughout the entire gym because you know your your head guy is like one of the greatest of all time yeah who's this complete discipline Maniac you know what I mean and like the whole gym sort of falls into that line I mean it's not a coincidence that so many Elite guys are coming out of that gym no it's not like but they're not fighting each other either no that's that's what I mean same thing I just yeah and they've got some of the best fighters in the world who are at some of the top of the divisions in the world have the UFC signed Usman have they signed Usman Nurmagomedov I don't think so I I know they're in talks God I hope they sign him it's just whether the other party called PFL give him more money in it I think he's free he signed with the UFC today okay confirm see there's another lightweight there's another lightweight and he is the one guy that was outside of the UFC I said this guy's World Championship caliber he's World Championship caliber so it's like you and him and Arman and Charles Charles look good against Max he's shut Max down yeah I was stunned I didn't see that coming I was stunned I mean I thought it was gonna be a real good fight I think him and him and Lopez is gonna be a good fight I really like Diego Lopez yeah he's one of the nicest dudes ever super nice guy iron chin his chin looks like you can hit him with a bat you know what I'm saying like his chin he's got a giga chin he's got a giga chat his chin is like hit me you can take a shot like nobody's business but I can I think Charles is probably going to do the same thing as what he done to Max perhaps but Diego's really good on the ground he almost submitted evil web a couple of times scrambling conditioning strength and I think he's also a very big 145 who's really belonged at 55 for Charles will be bigger than him though won't he yeah yeah Charles will be bigger but Charles started at 45 as well but Charles against Max bro he would get into that clinch and I was like Max is here like it doesn't seem like he could do anything he was just ragdolling him and I was very shocked no one's ever done that to Max as well like is Max just sitting out waiting for Connor because he's ranked fourth right and he this time in his career he might want to do that you know he probably only has a few more left in him and the Connor one is obviously a huge money fight I just do you see Connor's uh bare knuckle fight thing he did the other day in Glasgow no so he uh he they had a bare knuckle fight was he saying that he wants to fight fight well he's just hammered at the press conference hammered talking crazy if I hit you with these hammers he's just going nuts he was cracking open a Guinness or whatever he has whatever his Ford yeah I don't know what he was what he was drinking but he was drinking and he was just getting crazy and just talking mad that was beer right that was a beer it's like Guinness I don't think it was an energy drink Guinness isn't beer is it it isn't no it's it's called something else yes yeah he wasn't drinking Guinness he'd be drinking he was drinking his own right yeah look at him look at him look at him let me hear some of this Jamie give me some give me some of this unless you're a world caliber fighter you've got one more fight look at his eyes who would you like to have that with it has to be Holloway it has to be just do the thing again just do the thing again the guy didn't engage once he's done won the call for the stoppage of the fight what if when he said ref ref he ref he's stopping the fight so I imagine I just said yes yay and jump the fence I won he doesn't want to fight well I told him on me on me on the one leg he wasn't he wasn't coming near me it was just so shocking and so heartbreaking to me and I'm still dealing with it boy it has to be Holloway come on just dust it off redo it I'm on my way back what's it now November what's it now November three months I am over surgery I done this injury before and returned within nine months so nine months is pre-summer so he looked big there as well yeah now Holloway might be a jackass someone might something might happen I don't know but a fighter that fights me put some respect on my name if you're not a world champion fighter if you've not got world accolades to your name don't even my fucking name because if you're a national champion if you're a fucking regional champion if you don't fuck up got a few likes go fuck yourself don't mention my fucking name unless you're a world caliber fighter well listen man in his prime in his prime when you talk about like the Eddie Alvarez fight in particular when he was in the Matrix it was one of the greatest performances in the history of the sport I think he would have beat anyone that night anyone he was on fire there's just so many factors that have led to his slide and I think the big one was that fight with Floyd Mayweather I don't think he ever should have done that well obviously it made a hundred million dollars made a lot of money but what was it was it Marvin Langley who said dads get out of bed when you're wearing silk pajamas yeah it is but you can still do it Floyd did it yeah Floyd would still get out of bed in silk pajamas he always had debts to pay though didn't he yeah I mean he blows all his money though that's what I mean he runs out of his money and he's like shit I need to fight again oh he's gonna fight again now they're talking about him fighting Ryan Garcia which is crazy yeah that is crazy I think that's crazy he's 50 years old I mean as good as Floyd is boy if he could somehow or another even be competitive with Ryan Garcia isn't Manny Pacquiao meant to be fighting someone again now as well yeah bro Manny's still fighting yeah I mean isn't it funny he was like the president of Philippines or something he was in the congress or something what was he over there a senator or something like that something big yeah senator yeah and then he's just still boxing still boxing yeah still playing pool every day he plays pool and chess at the same time it's the wildest thing you've ever seen he has a pool hall in his compound so in his compound he has a pool hall pool hall's filled with people he's playing pool he plays really good pool like professional level pool and while he's playing pool in the middle of that he's playing chess so he's got a chess board on the side when his opponent's shooting he goes over he's gambling so he's gambling on chess and he's gambling on pool so while his opponent's playing he goes over there he moves the chess board and then people come over for things for him to sign so he got boxing gloves he's signing boxing gloves he's signing pool cues it's crazy to watch man see that's something I've never got into you know chess it's a tough game I can't I don't know how to play I've never like got into it but me the videographer plays he's always playing it on the app on his phone you know what I mean he keeps trying to get me into it and I'm just like nah the problem I have with chess is that it's one of those games that it is a long learning curve and if you're a competitive person if you get excited by games you're going to get lost you're going to get lost in chess you'll start taking lessons and start reading books and the next thing you know it's like three or four hours every day is dedicated to chess you know I have some friends that are obsessed I remember people saying jujitsu is like chess but then I can remember Paul saying to me it's not jujitsu is like chess if you're drowning it's like playing chess while you're drowning yeah yeah also there's way more ways you can move the thing about chess is like you get a chance to think about all the different positions and like jujitsu it's just like you go this way because he knew you were going to go this way and then you go that way and he knew you were going to go that way and then you have to escape that way but that's already blocked so then you have to figure out what to do and then it's constantly evolving and changing and shifting and if someone's got a weird game like they do some shit that you haven't seen before you know like it can jujitsu is it's infinite and there's always new moves there's always new moves it's always evolving that's the thing I always say always new moves there's always a new answer to a position where you're like oh wait a minute I never even saw that before how does that work and you see people pull stuff off you're like this is just like this sport is never ending I don't even I'll be honest nowadays because of MMA I don't really roll that much anymore without strikes and whenever we roll we've got gloves on showing strikes you know what I mean big fat ones yeah the 8 ounce ones yeah 8 ounce bar masters the only problem with those is like it limits certain things it does yeah it does limit things but if you I feel like if you just do jujitsu and you don't even like if we're just doing it with no gloves on they'll show right you know what I mean but even when you show stuff people don't move right but when you've got a glove on and you're punching someone in the fucking face they're gonna move you know what I mean yeah well it goes back to what we were talking about like knees to the head of a grounded opponent like there's certain things that are just not realistic like when people are going for leg locks and you're in a position where someone's got your leg but their head is right there yeah and it's in jujitsu it's like listen this is crazy that's that's what I always say like yeah if someone tries to heel hook me in a fight I'm just I'm not gonna tap I'm just gonna punch them in the face repeatedly did you ever see one of your countrymen uh Ian Freeman uh fought yeah against Frank Frank Mir yeah and Frank was going for the heel hook and he just pounded him and Ian Freeman just pounded him out yeah that was I think the first UFC event in the UK yeah yeah his daughter's in the UFC now isn't she yeah she is well she's uh she was on the contender show right I don't know if she just got signed she was cage what he was champion wow she was cage what he was champion wow first ever father daughter to be cage what he was champion that's incredible that's incredible yeah she's she's in the UFC now I think she was meant to fight and then got injured this one wow Frank Mir's daughter's fighting too she lost though didn't she yeah she lost in the contender series yeah it's uh imagine they end up fighting each other that would be crazy are they in the same weight class I don't think so I think I think Kennedy will be bigger than Frank's daughter what is the the weight classes for women in cage warriors do they get to featherweight um I think they have in the past there's no featherweight title I don't think but they've got to featherweight in the past but it's 150 and 125 135 kind of crazy that the UFC doesn't have a featherweight champion anymore yeah that to me is like there's not that that many women really though is there I guess not I guess not but I mean we've got a girl in our gym now who probably will fight it that way to be honest yeah two-time IMAF world champion well that's like this Kayla Harrison fight this weekend with Amanda Nunes like she really shouldn't be fighting at 135 she's so big Kayla's so strong and she has to kill herself to get to 35 and like barely made it for the last fight against Juliana Pena like she gets to death's door to make 135 she's only made it twice hasn't she so far I believe so a debut and then the title fight yeah I believe so it's hard man it's hard for her it's a real struggle when you meet her in real life that's a strong woman yeah she's got bigger shoulders than me she's thick kind of meeting her when we because she was meant to fight Amanda in January wasn't she when I fought Justin so when we were doing all the press stuff before her they were there doing the same stuff you know what I mean yeah and I think she's got bigger arms than me she's a tank she's a unit absolute unit when she gets in there I would like to know what she weighs when she steps into the cage at least 55 at least at least at least I would say more like 165 yeah I'd say 65-70 that's yeah the UFC actually DM'd me the body account the day saying who do you think's going to win I haven't even responded because I don't know who's going to win that fight well I can't pick a winner Amanda hasn't fought in quite a while so you have to wonder does she experience some ring rust does she is she just so good and she's the greatest of all time right is she so experienced that she'll just be able to lock right in she's done it so many times it's going to be about 18 months since Kayla's last fight as well though isn't it that's true and then the big neck surgery yeah which is a big one that's what I mean she had a disc replaced in her neck I couldn't pick a winner there me the thing is on the stand up Amanda has such an advantage yeah such an advantage you go to the cyborg fight when Amanda knocked out cyborg like holy shit man if you knock out cyborg like that I mean cyborg was a fucking destroyer she still hasn't been knocked out since has she that's the only thing she's ever knocked out that's it yeah and Amanda slept her just boom Amanda she's she's got fucking hammers man she beats out her own game in that one as well didn't she because they both just started exactly well Amanda's more than willing more than willing to slug it out like she wasn't scared of cyborg yeah but she just knows like you know how it is like it's weird how some people just have weird power they just have weird power like a friend friend of mine's ex-girlfriend he was telling me he was like bro you know that machine you know that machine where you punch it he's like she hits it she fucks guys up I'm like no way really and she's like and he goes yeah let her hit your hand and I go okay go ahead hit my hand this chick hauls back fucking plop and I go oh shit I'm like that could knock me out like she hit my hand I was like oh my god like that's that could if you weren't looking and she catches you in the skin she'll spark you right out I was like that's crazy like the hardest woman I've ever like seen punch I'm like this is nuts wasn't an athlete she was when she was younger she wasn't boxing I think well even for me I think pound for pound the hardest punch I've ever been hit with is by my mate who's a boxer he's fighting for the world title next weekend actually Brandon Diod he changed to my boxing coach Chris Williams and it was in like COVID I was just having a little spar with him even though I was like 20k heavier than him he fights at like 55k or something like that lad he hit me with a shot and I was looking at him and my head looked at the wall and then come back pound for pound it's by far the hardest punch I've ever been hit with that's nuts definitely and lad he fights at like 52k - There's certain guys, to just have what Farasa Habi calls the touch of death. It's like Damien Pinas, the middleweight guy. He fought on the same card as me. Bro. That guy's ridiculous. He's ridiculous. Luke's a bit like that, to be fair. Sure. People laughed at me when I said, they asked me who hits harder, Gagey. Is Gagey the hardest person who's ever hit you? I'm like, no, Luke hits me in the gym. That's crazy. I think Luke hits harder. If Luke hit me with four ounces on, it's different from when Gagey hit me with four ounces on. Really? Definitely. I think it's just because of his timing. He's been fighting tight since he was five, six years old, and then moved into boxing and was boxing from 12, 13 to 16. So he's just always done striking. And when he gets his timing on you, it's. Timing. Timing's everything. He's accurate, he's timing, and he's precise. He's not proper powerful, but put all them things. It's like McGregor. Right, right, right. Yeah. It's bone structure, too. It's bone structure, too, right? It's like there's certain just things about the way some people are built. They just hit harder. There's a lot of factors, you know? It's mad now, obviously, because he mashed me face up, Gagey. But I don't think he hit that hard. Really? I don't think he hit that hard, no. He never hit me. Right, he never had you stunned when you were in trouble. He never had me where it was like, oh, shit, what's going on here? Right. Though, obviously, the one, the right hand after he poked me in the eye when I went down. When I went down off that, I reckon the ground and pound he hit me with after it ate more than the actual shot. But where I went like that, and then he hit me with that shot, and I didn't see it coming, and I went down. But, like, he hit me with a lovely punch to the chest in that sequence. So, I mean, he started down my face to me, and I got away a bit, and he went whack and got me right in the chest. I was like, you cunts. Like, he dazed me a bit there, but that was more the ground and pound. So, who's the hardest puncher that you fought inside the cage in the octagon? In the UFC? In the UFC, yeah. I don't think anyone's hit me that hard. Really? Yeah. Probably the best punch I've ever been hit with, I reckon, is probably my debut, Luigi Vendramini. When he hit me, and, like, it didn't rock me, but, like, my head, my hair done that, you know what I mean? And everyone was like, oh, he's rocked, he's rocked. But I just, like, took a step back, threw a shot at him, and he shot in. That was probably the best. I reckon that's the best punch I've been hit with in the UFC in my debut. Because then, after that, I didn't really get hit that much. Until I fought Jared. But that fight with Jared, I think I've. I underestimated him. I went in there thinking I was just going to beat him. I didn't have to worry about it, you know what I mean? And he come in with a great game plan. He had a very good left hook. Yeah. And that was something I always used to get it with. I don't think I get it with it as much now. And I had to work on it because of that fight. But he'd fought one of my former teammates who used to train with us. And he won it. It was a decision against him. And I used to just absolutely rip the shit out of this person in the gym. So I thought, he took a round off him as if Jared's going to get near me. Right. When MMA, Matt, doesn't work. And I knew that myself. And I shouldn't have thought like that. But I just went into that fight thinking, I'm going to win this. This is going to be easy. Like, I didn't not train hard for it. I still, like, trained hard, done everything right. But I just, like, went in there. Thinking, this is going to be easy. And then, obviously, my ankle, like, I'm in it in. I didn't have, like, I couldn't move properly. And I still thought, even with a fucked up ankle, that, no, this is going to be easy. Because it was a little bit twingy before the fight. My ankle, like, I ended up getting inner ligament reconstruction, outer ligament reconstruction, and something done to the LCL. I had, like, three surgeries. Oh, wow. After that fight, I had three surgeries and one. Is that why you were out for a year? Yeah. Like, I've got a big, naughty scar. On, like, my ankle there. Ankles are a big one, too. That's a hard one to heal. It's like a Halloween scar. It's like a line and dots on the outside. It's like a proper Halloween scar. It's bad. Like, I couldn't walk. Like, I couldn't walk properly for months. I had a big boot on. I was on crutches and that. For months? Yeah, I got terribly depressed after that one. Like, terribly. Because I think I might have went on all day after I'd come home. I had to get surgery. And, like, for the first week or two, I couldn't even go upstairs. I was just better, like, couch-bound. Sleeping on the couch every night. Wow. And couldn't train. Like, I've got a bad hand at the minute, but I'm still in the gym every day. Eating pads with the other hand, kicks, knees, elbows, doing stuff. When you do something to one of your feet, you can't do nothing. You can't run. I couldn't even ride a bike. Like, I had a big boot on. That's, like, one of the worst times I've ever had. Because I couldn't do nothing for, like, three months. And. So, what did you do? Just, like, sit around and watch TV? And, obviously, after that fight was when I got the worst backlash of my life. Because everyone thought Jared won. And everyone was hating on me. And I was just sat in my living room, just, like. Oh, no. Watching the telly. Like, I couldn't get my frustrations out. I'm not on. What did you do with your time? Just watch television? That's all I had to do, yeah. So, you couldn't do push-ups? You couldn't do nothing? No. Wow. I couldn't do anything because of, like, the boot on my foot. How long? Even if I would have went for the first couple of weeks. After a couple of weeks, I could do, like, press-ups. But the first couple of weeks, even getting down to put the pressure on that foot would hurt. It was. Right. I was taking all sorts of, like, tablets to, like, try and get over, like, the pain and that. It was rough. Like, pills? Yeah. Like, pain pills? Like, opiates? Yeah, like, tramadol and that. Oh, Jesus. Because it was bad. Yeah, I could imagine. I mean, that kind of a reconstruction. Ankles are really tricky. It's a tricky ligament. Or a tricky joint. Like, I didn't know. I didn't know if I'd end up fighting when I fought Tony that year, the next year. Because that was, I fought Jared in 22 and I fought Tony at the, like, the same event the next year, the 23, December, December. I didn't even know if I'd fight in 2023 because of my ankle. Wow. Like, they were saying, we don't know if you'll be able to. And then. So, how long did it take to completely rehabilitate it to the point where you started training it again? Couldn't start training it again until, like, July. So, how many months? I got it in, like, the end of January, February. Wow. I got it in about six months. Wow. Because I got married in the May. I got married in May. So, a good seven months. Yeah. And I had to, like, I just, I just about got the boot off, like, a week before I got married. They said, you can take the boot off. Wow. I remember walking outside and me from, God, I'm falling in the bin like that. Like, celebrating. And then I got married in that. And I got back to training. But at first, I wasn't even, at first, I was just, like, boxing. And being dead careful with my movements and stuff. Right. And not doing anything else. And then I started to, like, work everything in. I can remember the first sparring session I done when I come back. Sparring one of the lads in the gym. He fights on PFL. Now Liam Gittins, former Cage Warriors world champ. And it was, like, the third round. And he had no, he was only a bantamweight. He had no one else to go with. I didn't, I had third round. I was gassing as it was. And he is an absolute machine. He's one of them. He just walks forward and just punches you. Never forget it. Third round. I was just like, Gittins is just walking at me. Punching me. I hadn't sparred in, like, six months. I can remember Ben saying to Paul, might have to pull him out of here, you know, because he's tired. He hasn't sparred in six months. And Paul went, you can if you want, but I'm not going to be the one that takes the brunt of that. Because he knew I'd flip. And I had to just stand there like that, swinging at the end of the floor. I was lying on the floor. I was like, I'm fucked. Well, there's only one way to get back. So I could beat him off a bantamweight. Did you do any rehabilitation of the knee, of the ankle? Yeah, I done. I had to do, like, quite a bit of stuff. I should have done more, though. Like, it's mad that even in the past, like, three years, I feel like I've grew up a lot. I think having kids plays a big part in that, like, but even before, even when I was, like, 27, 28, I was still, like, 12 in the head. Yeah. Well, especially when you're young, and then you also, you don't have a regular job. Yeah. You're a fighter. So you're a wild person. Just a wild person who's good at this wild thing, and you can kind of be a kid. You know, that's one of the weird things that Josh Hokut was saying for this weekend. He's like, one of the things that he tries to do is always act like a kid, like, keep everything playful. Like, he wants to be, it's like a weird method to some of this madness. Like, he draws all these pictures. He has, like, these comic book pictures he draws, and, like, he acts weird. See, I just think he's a wanker. He's sparring, and I was watching the Countdown show, and he's sparring, and he doesn't have his mouthpiece in. He's got his mouthpiece, but he's biting down on it like this. Like, it's hanging out of his mouth. Like, his mouthpiece is hanging out of his mouth. What? That's just stupid. I don't understand what he's doing. It's like his mouthpiece is all chewed up, and he's, I guess it keeps your teeth from hitting each other, but that's it. It doesn't keep your lips from getting smashed into your teeth. I just, I don't understand it, and he's sparring that way. But, you know, he looks good, man. He looks good. I just hope Cyril Gann saves the heavyweight division. And I don't really want to say that about Cyril Gann because he beats, well, he didn't beat Tom, but he made Tom vacate his belt. That was a travesty. And Tom's a friend. I, to this day, I don't like how that was handled, and I don't like the, even the notion that somehow or another he could have been able to continue. That is not the thing we should be saying, that anybody should be saying. When someone gets, someone's, fingers drive knuckle deep into a fucking eyeballs. That should not be the conversation. And I faded it a few months later when people used, like, me as an example to say, oh, Paddy carried on when Justin poked him in the eye. And it's like, yeah, this is two completely different things. Every eye poke is different. Yeah, that's what people don't understand. Like, the one that didn't look as bad hurt him more. Yeah. Eye pokes are fucking terrible. I think there should be a non-negotiable one-point deduction. You should just get a point straight away. On the second eye poke, you're disqualified. It's just, like, no one will do it. In the back, you get a warning about the eye poke. Yeah. So, that's your warning. You shouldn't get another warning as soon as your eye pokes someone. You should just get it took. Just extending your hands like that on someone's face is an obvious move. Like, it's obvious. And people do it and they do it on purpose sometimes. And that's, we all need to understand that. Sometimes it's inadvertent. Sometimes it's accidental. All that is true. Most times, it's accidental. However, there are guys who will poke you in the fucking eye. Yeah. I remember when was it Jillian Murphy was fighting Priscilla Cachoeira. Cachoeira, yeah. Remember that? Yeah. And Cachoeira stuck her fucking thumb deep into her eye as she's getting choked. She found her eye and shoved her fucking thumb. That's a straight DQ right away. Should be. But she was already losing. Yeah. She was already getting strangled and she wound up tapping. But you should not be fighting anymore in that organization. That's a that is a like a blatant foul. A foul that could ruin someone's career. Like, look at, Aspinall's had how many fucking surgeries now? Yeah. He's had about three or four surgeries. That's crazy. That's crazy. And who knows if he's ever going to be able to fight again. I think that's probably like, them eye pokes like that are probably worse than what Paul Daly done. Yes! And he never got to fight in the UFC ever again. Crazy. I mean, all he did was take a swing after the fight. I don't even think he connected. No, he didn't. He fully missed. Here it is. Yeah, that's disgusting. So watch this. Look, she finds the eye. Look, she shoves it deep in there. That is crazy, man. That is absolutely crazy. That is such an absolutely blatant foul. And a foul that's 100% on purpose. And then she does it again. She does it again. No, no, this is just a replay of it. No, no, she does it. She does it twice. Yeah, she does it twice. Oh, God! She gets away. She gets away and then she does it again. Yeah. Twice she done it. The referee should, Chris, I only should be on that. I think Molly beat her, didn't she? I'm sure Molly beat that Priscilla Cashway, I'm certain she did. Crazy. Nothing will have been said about that right away, though, just because she still won. Right. She still won, but still. Wait, if that would have changed the direction of the fight, that something would have been said about that. Yeah, what if she screamed and fell back and covered her eye and the other girl punches her? That's a blatant one, that. Like, blatant. Ultra. Ultra blatant. And, like, so we know that people poke people in the eyes on purpose, so it has to be, like, the strictest of fouls. Like, one point deduction immediately, because it could blind you. Even if you get kicked in the nuts, I think people, like, Derek Lewis has famously said he'd need people in the nuts on purpose so he could catch a break. Like, I was tired. He is hilarious, Derek Lewis. He's so funny. He's so funny. But it's like, boy, Josh Hockett put it on him, that fight. But even with, like, ball shots, they can be a little bit, like, that you can recover from a ball shot. Like, I don't, when I fall. Yeah, see? See what he's doing with his mouthpiece? Yeah, that's the end of the piece, though. That's, like, the tab. Oh, you know what it is? It's like a football mouthpiece. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I was thinking, too. Even football players sort of wear them the way you're describing, and I was wondering what it was, but that's just how it is. But look, it's not even in, though. See when he opens his mouth and it falls back? It looks like a chewed up mouthpiece, man. Look at it. It sticks out too much. I don't know what that is, man. I hope that's just a mouthpiece and a tab, a big tab. But that looks weird. Like, when he opens his mouth, it, like, falls. See what I'm saying? It, like, falls down when he opens his mouth. It means it's not fit right. If it is a mouthpiece with a tab. So look at that. Oh, yeah, no, that's not. That looks, yeah, that's different. See? There's teeth. You see his teeth. That's what he's doing. That's a chewed up mouthpiece, man. That's crazy. Like, his coaches should stop him from doing that. It looks like gum, really. Yeah, it looks like. No, it's a chewed up mouthpiece. I know, but it just doesn't look dick at all. It looks like a boiling bite mouthpiece that he's just chewed the fuck out of. Weird. Yeah, that's just stupid. I think, whatever it is, it's, like, not a regular mouthpiece, you fucking maniac. What are you doing? Why are you always wearing gloves? He's just. When I fought Justin, a lot of that threw my head in because, obviously, he poked me in the first round, and I just got on with it, didn't get a deduction. Then he poked me in the second round and dropped me with it and won the round because of it, because he got on him in front of me. And then I can remember when I watched it back on the replay, he was like, he poked him in the eye, he poked him in the eye, but nothing more happened. The ref couldn't go back and watch it or something. I don't know. And then the third round, I'm putting it on him, and he said I hit him in the balls when I never. Like, that still does my errands this day. Like, I need him. And, like, he said it glanced his cup and, like, it's just him being a veteran, like, you know what I mean? Don't get me wrong. Right. But it didn't hit him in the balls, lad. It hit him in the body. And then he got, like, a two-minute breather. And then in the fourth round, he knees me in the balls against the cage, and I go like that, and he just carries on hitting me, and nothing happens. It's just. Everything I could have went wrong for me that night went wrong. But, as I've said after that, it was fate for him to beat me, because he was meant to beat Ilya Tepolya at the White House. It was, like, his destiny. You think so? Yeah. That was his destiny. It seemed like it. It was his destiny to do that. It seemed like it. It was an amazing moment. It was a crazy moment, too, because Ilya had fucked him up so hard in that second round. Yeah. I got laughed at by everyone when I was saying, I think Justin's going to win. Everyone laughed at me, lad. I'll never forget when I was in Budapest with DC at the Champions League final. I said to DC, I was like, I think Justin's going to beat him. He was like, what? I was like, nah, I reckon he's going to beat him. He was like, you're crazy. I was like, nah, serious. I think Justin's going to beat him, lad. He's going to, like, outdog him. And, like, I remember me and Blazer, like, he doesn't think he's going to win, does he? Like, I know Ilya had this, like, untouchable, unbeatable thing at the time, but I just, I know no man is unbeatable. Everyone is beatable. Yeah. Everyone's beatable. And if you hit the gas full blast in that second round, like, you're not going to recover for the third. That's the reality of fighting that you could speak to. You really never empty the gas tank, right? You always have to be measured in how much you put out. Yeah, I think that fucked me up in the Ferguson fight. I hadn't fought for a year, as I was saying before, with the injury. And at the end of that first round, I just tried to put it on him. Dropped him, tried to put it on him. And as you know, he's made a steal. So, he didn't get put away. And then the third round started, like, I remember in between two and three being, like, to Paul and that. I'm tired of you, you know? I'm tired of you. And he was like, just get out there and, like, get him down. I can't remember at the start of that third round, I was thinking, shit, I'm tired of you. He started putting it on me a bit, you know what I mean? And then I got to take down and just kept him there, because I knew I would do it. I was already winning, just keep control of him, just win the round, you know what I mean? Win the fight. But, like, when you get to that point in a fight where you're like, wow, I'm fucked here. You could see it with Ilya in that third round. You could see it. He was kind of fucked. His movement was a lot slower and he couldn't get out of the way of things anymore. Justin called it as well, though. Justin said it himself. He said, when we get out the first round, when we get out the second round, you're going to be like, shit, he's still here. And that's going to be in your head, because you've been saying, you're going to finish me by two. And he was right. He was right. He was 100% right. He's also, like, his skin, he even said it after the fight, he goes, they should study me. You know, because it's like, he doesn't get cut up. It's crazy. But he's also very good at moving. He moves with stuff. And he takes the shot with the movement, you know what I mean? Yeah, he falls back with things. I hit him with a few knees, where I thought, that landed well, and he just takes it. Yeah, he can take a shot. He also is, like, super calm in the storm. He doesn't get flustered when things aren't going his way. Even when he went back to the ring, or back to his corner, in between rounds, after the second round with Tupori, he's like, yeah, hit me with a great liver shot. He's, like, saying that, like, complimenting his technique. You know, because Ilya's boxing, it's like, it's fucking nasty, man. When he starts putting those combinations on people, he's fucking nasty. I just think he's too small. 55. I don't think he's a 55-pounder. He's not a 55er. When you have guys that are, you know, like your size, and Benoit Saint-Denis, and these really big 55ers, and you look at him next to those guys, Hufi, Hufi towers over him, you know, and if he's primarily a striker, he's going to fight Hufi. And I think it's a bit embarrassing for him. He wears heels. Have you seen the shoes he wears when he does press conferences and that? I have not seen. He wears shoes with, like, a six-inch thing on them. Oh, no. Like a cowboy boot. Oh, lad, it's sad, you know. It's sad. Imagine being that little lad where you've got to wear high heels. It's one of the reasons why so mean. It probably is, like. Hey, reckon them beers are cold enough now? Reckon they'll be cold enough in that fridge? Oh, here we go. We're just starting to get started, ladies and gentlemen. I think Graham will probably give you that willies as well, to be fair. So, the thought was like, that if he was going to come back, he was going to come back somewhere around April. That's when I want to fight him. Yeah, you and him in April. I wanted to fight in Miami again. Miami? I love fighting in Miami. - Yeah, it's a fun place. the weather was great you know what I mean all the people there were great I'd love to go back there and fight there again but now I'm seeing that it looks like they could be doing Brooklyn in April oh really yeah interesting hmm interesting I'd well rather fight in Miami than Brooklyn because it's not even like it's MSG right but Brooklyn is fun they're going to do it at the Barclays where are they doing it yeah at the Barclays where the basketball is if you go to Brooklyn I'll take you well you can't eat if you're going to fight I'm going to take you to Peter Luger's Steakhouse sounds good oh there's a legendary steakhouse in Brooklyn that's been there since the probably like the 1800s yeah every time I'm in Brooklyn I got to eat there Peter Luger's when Jamie comes back I'll show you Peter Luger's Steakhouse they bring these steaks out they're always cooked perfectly and they come out sizzling with butter on them nice oh my god love a good steak love a good steak but this place has been cooking steak since you know since the fucking Civil War it's like it's like it's an old ass place and they've been around forever it's like a legendary Brooklyn establishment I don't think it's a meal unless it has meat on it yeah I agree yeah I just don't understand how you can be a vegan the fuck is going on with these people if I get past like a place that hasn't got meat on it I'm like where's where's the main ingredients yeah I know a few guys that try to compete as vegans in MMA and I'm like I just don't think that's wise yeah we well at the very least you should be eating eggs we have Shem in our gym and he's basically a vegan is he a vegan he's not he's like a pescatarian Rollies who brought did you bring these yeah yeah Rollies this is something I've invested in supernatural lager it's only 89 calories but still 4.4% beer we on it we cock it Felix don't call Steve Austin here cheers here we go mmm that's good don't get a hangover that's good loads of B vitamins in it what's in it B vitamins yeah for real so you don't get a hangover the next day is that how it works yeah are you sure it's like like 12 years of science or something went into this what for real I weren't involved in the 12 years of science like don't get me wrong wait a minute I've just invested recently oh wow it really does have a bunch of vitamins in it wow okay I don't know a couple of months ago when I first was getting oh there's a whole label it says the science I can't read it she's mom I'm getting old when I was first getting involved with them I had a we went and done like a launch party with them and I must have drank about 15 pints of it B3 B5 B6 and B8 brewed for balance huh yeah it says magnesium potassium vitamins B3 B5 B6 and B9 interesting interesting okay so there's only 89 calories and that's all what else for me but small too it's a small can yeah I think it's like what is it like 6 ounces maybe I go in milliliters I think it's like 300 330 milliliters that's a kind of coke what a dumb thing America did by never adopting the metric system they tried when I was in I guess I was in high school they started trotting that out they taught us the metric system and I was like well that makes more sense everything's tens and then they tried it for a little while and I was like nah fuck you inches yeah it's almost normal it's 11.16 fluid ounces this is? yeah really? yeah god why does it seem so small and it's that it's like 330 mil isn't it yeah yeah it's just like a can of coke very good though it's a solid beer and if it's got vitamins in it too yay how much alcohol is in these they have 4.4% oh okay so it's it's got more I think that's more than a Budweiser isn't it it's probably similar more similar yeah Canada doesn't fuck around they go up there they have some 9% beers their beers are their beers are heavy yeah someone was telling me the other day about the Japanese one oh yeah like 14% or something which one's that? and if you drink one of them you're basically shit faced really? yeah Japanese don't fuck around either yeah someone was telling me about that too I was like what? yeah I have a friend who did business over there and they said like if you go out with these businessmen like you are getting hammered yeah and it's not like if and no no thank you I don't want to drink uh uh you guys are gonna do business? you gotta get fucked up it's like Crone Gracie needs to see you roll they need to see you hammered they need to see who are you when you're drunk that's the thing that's what most business meetings are though aren't they? most business meetings people think oh you sit around and say let's get in shit face with each other and get to know each other yeah well that's how men get to know each other like if I meet a guy and he's fucked up when he drinks I don't I'm like okay can't hang out with Mike Mike gets hammered he becomes a problem whereas if you meet a guy he's just jolly you know I like a guy who's drunk and is just more fun you know like Shane Gillis like when he's drunk he's just Shane Gillis drunk he's more fun like it's a good guy to drink with you know it's like a good man to drink with is a good man a bad man to drink with is a problem dude you know so if I was a Japanese businessman I get it we're gonna about to be involved in some giant venture with this gentleman let's see how he handles his liquor yeah no that's the good thing about my mates I do have group I'm still mates with like people I went to nursery with really yeah all my close friends there's about 8-9 of us I've known them since I was like 5-6 years old and like the rest of them 11 when we went to senior school do you still live in the same neighbourhood yeah wow still like my mother's house is about a 10 minute walk from my house is it hard to get around now like do you get stopped everywhere everywhere we go people ask for pictures and stuff someone was asking me this the other night because I was actually I was out with my mates having a drink on Saturday and obviously people are coming over asking for pictures and that and they say doesn't that annoy you and I'm like it can be at certain times but the way I look at it is people aren't asking me for pictures I'm not doing well am I right most people that come up to you other than the internet but the real world in the real world most people that come up to you are nice yeah and most people that don't like you they just avoid you yeah people always say does anyone come up to you and try and start on you that's never happened to me you know not once no one's ever come over and like tried to act hard and like try and have a fight with me that has never not once in my life happened to me since people know me that's never happened no one's ever like I've seen other fighters saying that people coming over to them starting on them and like I've never had that once in my life well that's good hopefully that stays that way hopefully in Liverpool everyone knows Liverpool's small especially compared to like America Liverpool's small everyone knows everyone or you know someone who knows the person you know what I mean so everyone is just sad the way I look at it everyone's everyone's cool because everyone knows everyone and you can't really forget where you come from in Liverpool because if you do people will remind you where you come from you know what I mean that's probably good right yeah it is keeps you humble keeps you humble and probably you have massive support there too if you did something in Liverpool everybody's going that's what I mean that's what I'd love to do Anfield Anfield how big is this this stadium on a day of football it's like 60 something thousand 60 thousand but then that's obviously without the floor seats what you'd have with the pitch so it'd be at least 70 so they just have to buy 70,000 umbrellas let's go I know how much would that cost all the stadium seats a lot of them are covered up how much is an umbrella 10 bucks less probably a cheap umbrella 5 yeah why don't they do that so just put allocate some money for umbrellas parts of the stadium you wouldn't need that many umbrellas because they're on the cover so like the stands have covers over them you know what I mean so it'd just mainly be the floor seats and the people like the front rows that would be sick it'd be unbelievable just figure out a way look at that like that yeah I went to see Bruce Springsteen there last year oh really I went to watch Bruce Springsteen and I've seen Elton John there wow how's Elton John how's Elton John live sick I'll end up seeing him three times in one summer I've seen him in Chicago with Portnoy then I've seen him in Anfield then I've seen him at Glastonbury wow look at him Bruce was great but as I say that's not even the full stadium because they need to have one like on a match day that's all full right right right and then the pitch you know what I mean and the pitch it'd have seats on and have an octagon in the middle you can't have people to the left or right because they can't see yeah because they can't see but on like an actual match day it's like that holy shit yeah so like that with some sort of a cover over this yeah it'd be like that but as you say you'd only need a little cover over the octagon to make sure we're not getting wet if everyone else can get wet they'll still be having a good time well it seems to me that if they had enough time they could engineer something that would go over the entire top yeah definitely I don't know maybe that's too much money yeah I don't know I'm thinking like yeah maybe not it's too big it's fucking huge but that would be sick I might fly over for that like I've seen earlier saying about the Bernabéu about the what he said that to you the what the Bernabéu that's Real Madrid stadium what words are you saying he said that I tried to try but I turned the Bernabéu Bernabéu when he said that he said like the Bernabéu he said it something like that but that's Real Madrid's football stadium oh okay he mentioned that so is that in Madrid that's in Madrid yeah okay and like that's an even bigger stadium than ours wow and I'd love to go into enemy territory and punch his head in there - Wow. - That'd be even better. - I guess that is the word he said. - Holy shit, look at the size of that one. place and that's got a roof so here's my thought on mma mma should be fought yeah that's got a roof a giant field and with no cages and you should fight with like a red line around it no cage everybody can see everything that's what i think this is also the stadium where they have this insane system for the grass that there's no reason every stadium in america doesn't have this what is it has a stadium how they control the grass yeah like the stadiums where the nfl plays they play on turf the players hate it it fucks up their knees they all want and it's and they got they get to play on these fields once a year kind of because they're going to play nfl games and uh yeah i went to an nfl game today in london in space stadium how are they doing this jamie they dug a gigantic hole and made this lift system where like it's watering it under here what yeah it's like i don't know how many i don't know if it's like seven layers but you can see there's one two three four five like six layers holy shit it can raise and trade out and is there a video of this can i see it on video fuck madrid is like one of the richest football clubs in the world like possibly the biggest club in the world people in america have no idea how big soccer is i'm sorry you guys call football uh that's a wow that's nuts yeah this is doesn't i don't believe there's any place in america there's anything like this that's not so it's actual soil and actual grass yeah and it lifts up this is nuts man yeah how much did that cost i don't know holy shit man that's insane look at this and they can like fix one level of it while they you know do another one there's lights on the bottom level and move one over yeah holy shit man that's wild so that's futuristic shit right there though that's what you do when you have unlimited money yeah i've got unlimited i think that's how much cocaine was involved in that creation how much how much coke do you have to score where someone's like this is what we want to do we have grass under the ground we have a piston system lift it up move it to the side and i was like how much money how much money who gives a fuck how about money get it done this has never been done before then we do it now it is a fucking mad unbelievable idea come up with it i've never even seen that before as i say i think they can even do that so they did have like a ufc on there oh yeah take the grass out completely oh and it would just be like a floor floor yeah yeah oh that would be so dope but yeah as i say it'd be and they have a roof they have a roof let's go let's go i'd fight there i'd love to fight in places like that i might have to fly to spain for that one that'd be sick let's go that'd be sick let's go to fly to all of them man but it got too much it was too much when uh i was just i was kind of the podcast had just started and i was doing the ufc's like 23 24 weeks a year that's fucking nuts man yeah and look there's just no grass you know what i mean it's just like bro that's taylor swift that'd be loud that's a taylor swift concert yeah i know a bit further for a fight that'd be how many girls got like synchronized menstrual cycles because of this bro a fight in there would be fucking insane that would be better than field though definitely atmosphere would be better than field with loads of scouts there well it'd definitely be more violent and saying that and dangerous the amount of scouts is what live in spain lad they take over yeah well i remember when the irish came to vegas and took over vegas when connor fought mcgregor in vegas it was the nuttiest fucking thing or when connor fought aldo in vegas was he did he fight aldo in vegas i think that was vegas it was that was in vegas and there was another one in vegas chad mendez was also in vegas i had never seen anything like it they took over mandalay bay they took over the entire casino like it was fucking nuts man it was nuts like you'd never seen anything like it like everywhere some fucking irish guy got in the hotel joe rogan hi you're a fucking legend and he climbed to the hotel the hotel elevator with me i'm like dude i'm going up to my room like leave me the fuck alone they were everywhere they were singing and cheering it was madness it was like the entire fucking like there's this corridor at mandalay bay between like where the shark uh exhibit is where the reef is you know they have this giant shark tank it's really cool the fucking whole corridor is filled with irish chant chanting and singing it was madness like you've never seen anything like i'd say scousers are more like irish than anywhere else than anyone else in england because our port is the closest thing to ireland so like if i go if i went back through my ancestry i'd probably have irish in there know what i mean like people say scousers are more like irish people than they are english people right so like conor mcgregor is like a typical character that you might encounter yeah he's a nutter though he's a nutter he's a nutter he is a nutter he's nuts that's why he's so good yeah it is how you get so good you have to be out of your fucking mind this is it put your put your headphones on just so you can hear this it was fucking madness they took over vegas yeah bro they took over vegas bro i've been doing this for a long time i've been doing this a long time i first started working for the ufc in 1997 i never saw shit like that never no matter who i've i've seen so many people fight i've never saw anything like that where one guy had that much attention yeah he's he's i always say if people like disrespect them and not now but like they changed the game you can't disrespect you can't disrespect you can't disrespect him without him we wouldn't be as mainstream as we are right now he he changed our sport forever he did he changed our sport forever he changed our sport forever he did he changed the sport forever he he's like there's a few characters in history that have elevated ronda rousey was a big one it's a few characters in history that just raised the profile of sport chuck liddell was the first yeah chuck liddell was the first raised the profile of sport just changed the sport where everybody was like paying attention to it and he's one of them he's one of them where i had casuals people that didn't know jack shit about mma asking me about this irish guy hey who's this irish guy he's fighting in the ufc who's this irish guy like everybody knew conor mcgregor was it was nuts i had never seen anything like it it was wild the weigh-ins were wild they were wild man it was nothing but i'll tell you what the greatest fucking weigh-in ever khabib when he fought connor all the irish all the irish were there and khabib has the crazy hat on he goes he goes i'm gonna smash your boy he goes alhamdulillah i'm gonna smash your boy they're like no no big smile on his face tomorrow night i'm gonna smash your boy he wasn't lying like he wasn't lying but it was like see pull up that press conference this to me is like one of my favorites so soon i love that he did though i wish he wouldn't have retired so soon no you know what he says now he says he's better now than he was then yeah his grappling is so much better now put this out hold on you gotta hear this spend your title tomorrow night against conor mcgregor hear the booze first of all i want to say alhamdulillah god gave me everything alhamdulillah i know you got this you don't like this alhamdulillah tomorrow night i'm gonna smash your boy guys i'm gonna smash your boy and i want to say thank you all irish fans you know all fans around the world because of you guys this fight has happened thank you guys and tomorrow night inshallah and still thank you alhamdulillah i'm gonna smash your boy he's a legend he's a fucking legend man it's like there's these characters that come along and that's his madness his madness his discipline and drive and and connor's madness is just being a fucking wild man just being completely off the rails just off the rails out of his mind but yeah yeah sure sure connor was able to absorb ah the willies is legit the willies is legit i don't know how legal or illegal it is in this goofy ass fucking is it it's a problem for now they fucked up is that not in this state texas texas fucked up they passed they passed some crazy laws banning thc products and it's probably cost them the election i i thought texas was a bit different to that i'm not a down on my it should be it's fucking stupid it's legal in california they expect it to be legal yeah exactly it's legal in colorado it's legal in new york now it's legal everywhere texas is ass backwards when it comes to weed and it cost them the election part of what cost them the election yeah i'm not i haven't got a clue about politics you know it's all gross i hate it i don't like politics yeah i have no idea about politics much more interested in politics i'm not interested in politics i'm not interested in politics i'm not interested in politics yeah i'm not interested in politics i'm not interested in politics i'm not interested in politics yeah you know it boils down to reality man it's like it's so much more exciting jamie pull up the card for this weekend there's so many good fights on that card i'm very curious to see what happens with Hokit and Gon because in my personal opinion is that Gon is a very unique challenge. Yeah, he is. He's, I keep talking about him. Jon Jones is just that good. He's that good. He's that good. He's that good. But like, I have won still again to win because I don't like Josh Hockey. But then I won Volkov. Volkov deserves his chance of fighting for the belt. Right. I won Volkov to beat still again. Bro, Volkov's a fucking crazy story of resilience. Guy's been around forever. He was 10 seconds away from fighting for the world title and then got caught by Derek Lewis. I think he deserves it. So there's Cyril Gon and Josh Hockey. Look, I keep talking about this, but I think it's one of the things about Cyril Gon I keep saying, he's one of the first guys that's a really good basketball player that we see fight in MMA. And I think there's something about being good at basketball and that something is basketball is like constant plyometrics. You're constantly moving and you're running forward and you're moving forward. You're going backwards and you develop movement that's different than most big guys. Yeah. Like a lot of big guys are standing in front of each other, which is one of the reasons why I think Johnny Walker is going to fuck a lot of people up at heavyweight. I think he surprised me the other day, to be honest, beating Acosta. When he fucked up Waldo like that, I was like, dude. I'll be honest, I didn't see that coming. I think Johnny Walker should have been heavyweight the entire time. He's probably been cutting a lot of weight to get to 205. Yes. Where now he's got the, his athleticism at 265 is going to fool a lot of people. He's a freak. And he'll probably take a shot better than every weight. He's already taken a shot way better. He's taken a shot better than that weight. Waldo caught him with some big shots, man. And he took him fine. He got knocked down, took it fine. It's like his chin was entirely fucked up because he was cutting an insane amount of weight to make 205. He's so big. He's 6'6", man. He's fucking huge. I've seen him in the PI. He's a big, big dude, lad. He's huge. He's a big dude. Should have been a heavyweight the entire time. I'm picking Gunn there, like personally. Well, I think Gunn is a big guy. Gunn, like I said, first of all, his striking is super technical. And he's one of the best athletes in the sport. He's fucking huge. He's a real big, natural heavyweight. There's only two losses at Ngannou, who if he would have stayed on top in that last round, he could have won. And Jon Jones, who are two of the best heavyweights of both. Right. And Ngannou fought that fight with a fucked up knee. He had a grapple. That would have been very interesting if Ngannou didn't I think Cochran's going to try and use his wrestling in this one. Surely he's got to. He has to. He has to. He has to use his wrestling. If he tries to stand with Gunn, the level of Gunn striking is fucking ridiculous. He's also very hard to hit. We've never seen him really get rocked in the UFC. Taito Iwasa clipped him and hurt him a little bit. But he-- Yeah. But then he come back and she killed him. His combinations are fucking lethal. He's so technical. I'm looking at the reach advantage. I've only just noticed that. What's that? The reach advantage. He's way bigger. 8 and 1/2 reach advantage. 6'4" and 250 is way bigger than 6'1" and 235. Yeah. That's a lot bigger. I mean, even though it's only 10 plus pounds on paper. That's what I mean. Looking at that 234, do you reckon he could make 205? 100%. I think he could make 205. Oh, he could make 205 easily. He said he could make 205. When you look at him, he's got fat on him. He's got weight to lose, especially when a guy like you cuts that amount of weight. Yeah. He could easily-- He could make 205. --easily cut 30 pounds. No problem at all. It wouldn't even be hard. But I think there's a benefit to being a light, fast guy at heavyweight. Yeah. He's definitely right there. Until you fight a heavy, fast guy at heavyweight. Like Cain Velasquez, one of the best heavyweights of all time. 240. He wasn't big at all, was he? Exactly. Exactly. Like 240-ish. Yeah. I'm interested. I'm interested in that fight because I think Hokut-- look, that fight that he had with Curtis Blais was one of the greatest heavyweight fights of all time. Yeah. I was shocked watching that fight, I'll be honest. Because when there's a UFC on, it's on at like 4:00, 5:00 AM in the UK for us. So I just-- I have my phone on do not disturb. I wake up the next morning, my cameraman comes to ours, Blais comes to ours, sets the camera up, and I just leave my phone upstairs. And then I'll watch it all in the room and I don't know any of the results. And I'll sit there and watch it. And when I was watching that Blais-Hokut fight, I was like, oh, shit. Like, this-- I didn't expect this from Hokut. Know what I mean? He's a mad dog. He's a mad dog. All that crazy shit he talks-- and I said to him after the fight, I go, dude, that fight was amazing. He goes-- he goes, I talked so much. I talked so much shit. And he goes, I had a fight like that. That's what he said to me inside the cage. Here's the one that a lot of people are sleeping on. Kai Bohaglio and Yursi Bogari. Yeah. That is a crazy fight. That guy is giant. He's a 6'6" middleweight with world-class kickboxing skills. Like, world-class. Kai's going to have to use his grappling there, like, definitely. 100%. 100%. But he's got to get close enough to that dude to be able to grapple him. And Yursi is doing the same thing. He's training with Glover and Alex, and they're in Connecticut all together. And there's something about-- Glover is a genius. Like, he's a real MMA genius. And what he did with Alex was, like, just give him the grappling skills that were necessary in order to use the kickboxing skills that he has. And that's what they're doing with Yursi as well. I mean, Yursi is-- he's a real problem. I mean, he's got, like, five inches is a lot of height. But at the same time, it's easier for Kai to shoot in onto his legs then, isn't it? Yes. So, like, it's a double-edged sword. There's that. But he also can hit you from a further distance. And Abdul Malik was a very good wrestler. And he fucked that dude up. Like, he might have ruined him. Like, that was a rough fight. That was a rough fight to watch. Did you see the fight with Abdul Malik? No, I don't think so. Shh, pull that up, Jamie. Let's see the highlights of that. That was Yursi Bulgari's coming out. That was a coming out party in the UFC. Because Abdul Malik was a undefeated, up and coming guy. Maybe he had one fight early in his career he lost. I don't remember. Undefeated in the UFC. Very highly regarded by everybody training with him and work with him. Extreme couture-- no, was he an extreme couture guy? I think so. I think he's an extreme couture. But everybody that I know that talked about him was like, this kid's legit. Like, very legit. And I saw his first couple of fights. And I was like, oh, man, he's going to go somewhere. This guy's something. And then he fought Yursi Bulgari. And the problem is, Yursi is just too tall and too good at striking. Like, too good. And in order to-- In fact, did he lose the other week in Philly? Yes, he did. Yeah, I was at that. I can remember. Yes, he did. He didn't look the same either. No, he doesn't. But as the problem was, he fought not that long after this fight. And scoot ahead a little bit so you can see the beating that he was taking. First of all, dude's tough as nails because he got really hurt in this fight, really hurt. Because the problem with a guy who's a good MMA striker, who's like learned MMA after learning wrestling and being a good wrestler is there's a level that you achieve when you start out really young at striking that you're just not going to achieve. Yeah, if that round would have been three seconds longer, he gets finished. Yeah. I don't know what he was saying to him. If that round would have been three seconds longer, he gets finished. Yeah. No, he got-- and so then the next round, he gets really hurt. It probably would have been better if it was stopped. Got stopped, yeah, yeah. Because in the next round, he wound up taking a fucking horrendous beating. And Yursi just-- he's so technical, man. Everything is perfect. So every mistake gets elevated. And every mistake gets exaggerated as you get tired. Yeah. And you're taking more punishment. And Yursi's doing everything with perfect efficiency and just perfect technique. He's just too good as a striker. If you're tired and you're also having a hard time hitting him, and then you're leaving these openings, this guy's just slowly chipping away your power bank to the-- That was a lovely body shot, that one. Yeah. Lovely body shot. And just hurt him so bad. And it was the amount of punishment that he took in this fight that I was like, boy, it's great to be tough. It really is. But there's some times when you cross the threshold, of you're too tough for your own good. Oh, that was lovely. And that was it. That was it. Oh, she rose. But it was so much punishment over the course of those three rounds, you just got to go, I don't know how much a guy recovers from that. See, I'll be honest, though. I'd rather go out on my shield. Now, with what happened with Ilya and Justin, if Paul or Ellis ever said, we're going to stop the fight, I'd say, you fucking know. You know. We're finishing this fight, lad. We're not stopping it. But he had broken orbital bones. If I had broken orbital bones, I'd be saying, I'm carrying on. I promise you. But wouldn't it be good if someone who loves you said, let's live to fight another day, because the problem is, with broken orbital bones and things along those lines, he couldn't see. If you can't see, and it gets worse to the point where you're like Michael Bisping, where he lost vision in one eye. And look, Michael, one of the craziest, toughest guys that's ever walked the face of the earth, fought 11 times in the UFC with one eye. One fucking eyeball. He's just sick, man. Sick. He's an animal. But most people, that's over. Most people, your career's over. He memorized the eye chart so he could read it out the way he couldn't see. Crazy. But that is not what you want. You don't want to lose a vision in an eye. And if you're in a situation where Ilya is, and he goes out, and Justin hits him with a knee to that same eyeball, and that eye goes blind, which is completely possible. I'm just never not stopping. That's the pussy. his way out wow that's the bitches way out. I'm not having it. I'm never going to say no mass on me still. It's not going to happen. I appreciate that. I promise you. Know what I mean? If I was your friend, I'd probably try to stop it. I wouldn't let them. I wouldn't. Say that with fighters, aren't we? I'd pull the doctor aside. No. Like a lot of fighters. I'm going to keep going here until every last breath in my body is gone until I'm unconscious or I don't do not stop. Well, that's the attitude you need. We're mentally like gladiators when they go until they had no blood left in their body. Know what I mean? What would you say if the UFC had different rules? You know how pro wrestling has crazy matches? What if the UFC had a 30 minute time limit fight with one round? And you guys agree to it. No stand-ups ever. Zero stand-ups. No rounds. Knees to the head as long as you're not against the cage. Soccer kicks. Soccer kicks as long as you're not against the cage. They should have like a red line. So like within like four feet of the cage put a red line and you know when the opponent's in that red line, no soccer kicks, no stomps, no knees to the head round. I'd be fully game for that. It's not a bad idea. It's not. It's a great idea. It's more real. It's more real. My other solution was they should start every round in the same position where you ended the last round. Like if you take a guy down and you have him mounted and you're dropping elbows on his head and they should start you out right in that same position. What I was saying the other day was like don't get me wrong like people like Marab and that, the unbelievable fighters, but I don't think that start of his where got 25 takedowns in a fight, I don't think that's something that should be celebrated because it shows that your control's not good enough to keep him down. In a five round fight you should go Islam versus JDM. You took him down five times, didn't need any more. Controlled him every time. Like when it's like these stats, like oh we took him down like 18 times in three rounds, I'm sitting there thinking that means he got up 17 times. That's not a good stat. People celebrate these stats. I'm like, that's not a good stat. If I'm in a five round fight and I want to grapple, I don't want to have to make more than five rounds. want to have to make more than five takedowns, one in each round, and control them. Literally exactly what Islam done to JDM, because that's what he done, didn't he? He got a takedown every round, and JDM did not get up. He dominated them on the ground. And that's the way I think it should be. People celebrate, oh, he done like 50 takedown attempts in one fight, and that's not good. Well, I think Marab, what Marab tries to do is just overwhelm you. Overwhelm you with volume. I think that fucked him up in that third fight with Jan. Really? First two rounds, he come out too aggressive and too shoot and takedown constantly, and he looked tired to me in the fourth round. Yeah. Well, the problem is with Jan, if you're just standing up with him, he starts figuring you out. Yeah. Jan always takes the first round off, doesn't he? I think he's one of the best strikers in the whole of MMA. Absolutely. His striking is phenomenal. Elite. He does a lot of really sneaky shit, too. Mm-hmm. He throws a left hook behind a left kick, so you're doing this, and whap, that body kick. I love watching Jan fight. I think he's fucking- So skillful. So skillful, though. Yeah. So clever, and he's got to have insane work ethic to be able to compete at that pace with Marab for two fights in a row. Those fights were fucking hell. Yeah. Hell. Especially in the fourth and fifth round. In that first one, the first title one, everyone counted them out. Everyone thought, oh, Marab's just going to- Yeah. Because of what happened in the first fight. Everyone's like, oh, Marab's just going to- The first fight, Jan had a fucked up hand. If you watch that first fight again- But no one talks about that after it, dude. Like, oh, Marab dominated in 50-45. Right. Like, it's going to be the same again when they fight for the title. Yeah. But four weight cuts in one year definitely does fuck you up. 100%. Four weight cuts in one year fucks your shit up. Just four fights in one year fucks your shit up. Yeah. Like, I wanted to- I did want to fight again this year, though. I wanted to fight again in, like, December. But then I got a couple of little injuries, a couple of little niggles. And I've had to get them better. So I couldn't afford to anyway if I wanted to. But that probably would have been, like, the perfect- like, January, July, November, December would have been perfect to do three weight cuts. When do you start thinking about April? Like, when did they- if- in an ideal situation, how much time does you- if April really is where you guys are going to fight? I need to- well, I'm going to Dubai for New Year and then going to Thailand for a couple of weeks with my family. But I'll probably stay in Australia. So I'll probably be able to go and train every day and have some good sparring and stuff like that. So I'll be able to train the whole time I'm there. But say I get back 24th, 26th- 24th, 25th, 26th of January, I'd start camp straight away. And where I'm in Thailand and not America, I don't think I'd be as fat. I wouldn't be as heavy because I'm in Thailand and not in America. And then- That's funny. I'd just get home and I'd start a diet straight away. February, March, and then say it's like the first, second week of April at it and be sad. So when does the UFC contact you for something like that? Do they- how much time do they usually give you in ideal circumstances? It always depends, to be honest. Like- Because Ilya just made a big post recently saying he's back, showed that he's training again. I've- like, when I fought Chandler, I got told before the camp that I was going to be on Christmas that it could be Chandler. Like, I got told before- I didn't fight until April, but I got told before Christmas it could be Chandler. And then it got to, like, February and nothing was announced. And I was like, "What's going on here?" And I think Chandler didn't want to fight that soon. He wanted to fight in, like, May or- May, June. And I just said, "I don't care if it's Chandler or not. I want to fight that date because it's me- it was my child's- it was the baby's first birthday on the 17th and that was the 12th." So I wanted to fight then so then I could- Spend time with the kids. And he ended up saying, "Yeah, I'm fighting." And then when I fought Gagey, everything was up in the air with that as well because of the Ilya thing. Because Ilya was meant to be- didn't- we didn't know whether Ilya was fighting, what was happening with Ilya. And I think that one just got announced on, like, an NFL game, didn't it? I think so. That got announced on it. And I think that was, like, November, mid-November. So that was, like, eight weeks out. And then with BSD, I did- when I went to Luke's fight in, like, London, when Everlow had fought Lerone Murphy, Luke had his interview and I was in the back and someone asked, "When am I fighting?" And Dana went, "Paddy, when do you want to fight?" And I was like, "Well, I'd like to fight International Fight Week." And then I think from that point on, like, I'd said I was going to fight then, so- and that was March. I think we could find out about, like, it was definitely BSD in, like, April. So that was, again, like, ten weeks out. So do you start training, like, just as soon as you can, just assuming you're going to be fighting in April? I train every day anyway. Even at the minute where I've got a little injury, I still train every day. Still doing S&C twice a week. Still training five mornings in the gym. Still doing two hours every morning in the gym. When you're doing strength and conditioning twice a week, what kind of shit are you doing? What's it got you doing? All different sorts of stuff. Squats, deads, bench, plyometrics. Obviously, once a week we do, like, cardio at the end. Like, the way Paul Reed- Paul Reed's my nutritionist, my S&C coach. Does all our weight cuts with us. Does all my food. Oh, that's convenient. He does everything. He's the man. Like, without him, we'd still be in the dark ages when it comes to making weight. He changed everything on how we make weight. So he's weighing your food out, your calorie count, sodium, everything. Everything. Without him, we'd still be a bit fucked. Paul Reed is the man. Like, he looks after our whole fight team and he looks after a lot of boxers and stuff like that as well now. He's known in the UK as, like, the man. Like, no one- there's no one like him. Yeah, there's a few of those guys that exist that, like, figure out the science of weight cutting and if you can get them on your side- That's exactly what he's done. Like, to be honest, the last camp, he had a little bit of a panic with me because, like, from the Gagey fight to, like, six weeks before the BSD fight, he weighed- like, I had a DEXA scan. And I'd put, like, four- six- six kilo, I think it was, of muscle mass on. Ah. And he was like, "You've basically done a dirty bulk." So not like what bodybuilders do where they'll just eat loads of shit, but where I was still training every day and I was still having my creatine and having all my things and I was still lifting twice a week. I'd put lots of muscle mass on. So we had to change everything in that camp where normally I'd have more protein and carbs, I'd have to switch it. Less protein, more carbs. So you're trying to eat your muscle? Yeah. Yeah. So I had to, like, get a bit of muscle off to make the weight. Like, I can't swear- Did you feel it in your strength or is it- No, it still felt good. Know what I mean? But- Did you feel any different in terms of strength? It felt a bit stronger, like, coming up to it because, like, he said I'd put muscle on without, like, even meaning it. And it felt stronger in the buildup and I think that's probably the best shape I've ever been in. Every fight ends up being the best shape I've ever been in because you're even fitter than the last one. Right, you build. Yeah. But I can remember being, like, three weeks out, flapping, thinking, "I'm going to miss weight. I'm going to miss weight. I'm going to miss weight." How much were you- over three weeks out and I was about 84k or something like that what is that 185 wow 180, 185 something like that and I'm thinking 30 pounds yeah but everything he does just works he said we need to change this we need to change that boom started falling off me just follow the process yeah like everything with Paul is a science nothing is just like off the top of his head everything he does has got research behind it and it's got a science to it the guy who freaks me out the most right now is Morales you know he's making 170 he's weighing 226 I was having a pint with him in Philadelphia me and that it was funny it was my friend Bo Allen he used to play for the Eagles he won a ring with the Eagles and lad he was sat next to Morales he'd never been to a UFC event before Bo and he's like sitting there talking to Morales asking him little things doesn't know that he's like ranked 2 in welterweight you know what I mean Bo's like was like a nose guard whatever it is big unit he's like 265 pounds and he's asking like Morales things about the fight you know what I mean and he ends up sitting there having pints with him and at the end of it when we went he was like that dude next to me was cool man I'm like yeah you know what I mean he was like no who's he he was like lad he's like ranked 2 in welterweight he's one of the best fighters in the world he's like no shit brother but it's funny as fuck that's funny they didn't even tell him that is very funny he was just sat there talking to him for ages lad it was hilarious him in practice is very funny that's gonna be a scruff very interesting that's gonna be a scruff very interesting like I think like Prates has come to our gym and Prates is one of the coolest men you'll ever meet lad he's so funny lad I believe it smokes drinks like he comes he was in Manchester last year and when we we had the gym night out and he got to the pool that night and someone was messaging him and we were like we were in this place lad we were in a place called Jenny's Bar on the gym night out and lad we got him to come and see us and like I was only drinking water as well I wasn't even on the aisle and we had him in the bar with us know what I mean he was like that was great lad he's such a cool dude glad he was boss and then he had like a seminar in the gym the next day and then we took him to Anfield seen that video where I'm lighting a cigarette for him like that was outside Anfield we took him on the Anfield tour like that one yeah we took him on the Anfield tour lad he is one of the coolest dudes about he's a lot of fun man one of the nicest fellas ever he's a hilarious lad and he can fight like fuck what he done to JDM was shocking it was filthy a lot of people didn't see that coming it was filthy it was so nasty so good that knee to the body that he throws where he sets you up he starts throwing low kicks he starts throwing punches and he measures you get the measurement of the punch and he steps behind it with that knee to the body that's one of the worst beat downs I've seen in a while and to a world world champion a guy who's an elite striker and to see it was bad well Prates you know and even like he he knocked Leon hadn't been knocked out before that had he before he fought Prates he just lost like decisions and subs Jeff Neal when does he ever get knocked out right you know what I mean and Prates starched him starched him yeah he's fucking dangerous real dangerous and super comfortable the thing about him too is a step in that's against Rocky who fights Wonderboy this weekend he's nasty bro he's fucking nasty and he's so calm and comfortable in there and so relaxed you know it's like he fought he lived in Thailand for like five or six years and he fought over a hundred times in Thailand while he lived there so he's constantly fighting so if you think a hundred fights in five years is nuts yeah that's fucking nuts he's just constantly fighting and he just got super he's fighting every week yeah so that which is what they do like he's like the only way you get money is if you fight yeah so you gotta fight constantly I think he's brilliant he's one of my favorite fighters to watch now me too Prates is so so fun to watch you know what you're getting every time he gets in the cage so clever and so just the way he sets things up he's just like constantly reading you and then he throws these off-speed punches and off-speed kicks and then and then one comes in the only thing with welterweight is what about Shafkat right apparently he's still struggling with his knee which is from the Ian Gary fight it's crazy how he's crazy how he like he's been out now for what nearly two years well Ian Gary hit him with that oblique kick to the knee and fucked his knee up do you think that should be made illegal it is going to be made illegal do you think yes I know I don't think it should be though I think we're announcing it right now yeah I don't think people know but it's going to be made illegal I don't think that should be made illegal so you think that it should just be a thing you have to deal with yeah just like everything else when you have a fight I agree in some ways but the problem is it ends careers it can change your career forever Tiago Santos against John Jones never the same again the worst I can remember the worst one I ever seen was Khalil Ramsey against Modestus oh yeah man that was the night of my debut oh yeah that's right that was when I had my debut that sidekick to the knee that was horrible that sidekick to the knee and the noise like he screamed well that was the first one that we ever saw that ended the fight Shavkat he kept fighting you know Ruzboev recently he got his knee blown out by by Oh it was MVP MVP blew up Ruzboev's knee same thing he immediately went right into surgery and he probably I mean Ruzboev is a giant middleweight fucking really interesting guy who knows where his career is now I just think it's like it is what it is it is what it is it's another path of fighting there's an argument for that I think though for the I don't think 12 to 6 elbows ever should have been illegal ever you know why that was illegal though right yeah cause the karate board yeah it's hilarious it's just so stupid though isn't it the people in the commission thought it was too deadly because they were breaking bricks like Jon Jones should be undefeated undefeated that's another fight except for the Dominic Reyes fight oh yeah I think Dominic got him I think a lot of people think that I think a lot of people think Jon thought it after the fight he's like I think I might have been bested tonight yeah first three I thought Reyes won the first three and then the championship Lance Jones took I think so too but I think it didn't take him enough and Reyes still had his moments yeah and it's just amazing how these fights change the course of careers yeah you know there is a lot like that I think I think the worst decision I think I've ever watched live though was Shogun Machida yes yes I thought that was terrible at the time that was a bad decision you're right at the time I can remember watching that thinking wow Shogun came back with vengeance in that second fight yeah in that second fight he came back angry you're right yeah that was a bad decision I don't know if it's the worst but it was definitely a bad one it was a bad one but Shogun's probably my favourite fight of all time oh he's one of the greatest he's one of the greatest him and Dan Henderson yeah that was ooh craziness just absolute chaos that was late in his career yeah after the pride fights right after the pride wars you know because the pride wars were fucking bananas man and I always think about him breaking his arm that time mhm when he Shogun based out on his arm just who was that again was it Randleman no it wasn't Randleman or was it I can't remember who it was I can't remember who it was but he so could you was it maybe so could you I can't remember I don't remember either but I can remember him like just basing out on his arm I completely forgot about that until you brought it up yeah when I first got into MMA like I can remember going down a proper rabbit hole proper proper rabbit hole just getting into all the old school fights what's this what's this what's this who was like your favourite fighter when you were coming up when I first started watching I think it was Big Nog mhm because of like pride yeah I can't remember watching that fight against Bob Sapp when he got crazy on his head and he still won yeah and arm barred him yeah Bob Sapp was 350 pounds with abs crazy with abs Rampage we used to love Rampage Jackson oh yeah man the fight what got me into MMA though I was like 14 in the youth club and one of the lads Kyle Wilson was watching the UFC at the time put a fight on and it was Diego Sanchez and Clay Greider oh that one was chaos and laddy just ran are you laughing at Jamie sorry what what's so funny Mark Coleman freaking out after this arm break oh it was Mark Coleman yeah but watch the referee he can't stop him he's like going crazy grabs his little leg just tossed him to the side he's going crazy because he didn't know the fight was stopped yet I guess I don't know yeah yeah there's that I can remember for some reason I thought it was like someone else but yeah his arm snapped yeah Clay Greider Diego Sanchez crazy that he was even fighting Mark Coleman I know when he's about 50 pound heavy he's an 85 pounder in the UFC and here he is fighting Mark Coleman who was the former UFC heavyweight champion Clay Greider Diego Sanchez oh madness that was straight up madness unbelievable yeah madness yeah my first live main event I watched was Belfort versus Rich Franklin oh that was a good one that was a good one UFC 103 I'm going to join the gym like two weeks later honestly say the rest is history listen brother it's been a fun history you've done a lot already and you've got a lot more to go and it's it's very exciting yeah I'm glad we finally did this I know it's been a long time coming a lot of you waiting to go on this for ages yeah thank you very much brother thank you for having me Joe I appreciate you I'm looking forward to seeing you hopefully April hopefully hopefully we get to beat someone up in April but we'll see we'll see what happens the coming months coming week see what happens at the late week division because it isn't a bit of a close to fuck at the minute. It's a crazy division, but it's an awesome division. And then if that's true as well, Ousmane is just being signed, then there's another head in the mix as well, isn't there? Yeah, another one. It's a great division. Thanks, brother. It was a lot of fun. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.