JRE MMA Show #186 with Sean Sharaf

the Joe Rogan experience what's going on man this is Joe Rogan how you feeling I feel incredible it's been one hell of a week it's been crazy it has to be the craziest week of your life right or up to it but I mean this is this is pretty pretty up there there's been some crazy weeks so Tommy through this when did you get the the offer for the fight how long out so they had mentioned possibly me fighting him on the White House they asked me that was the the alley he had reached out to me he's like hey like they talking about possibly get you on the White House they know you're a Marine and whatnot they want Gable Stevenson and I was like fucking I don't care I've been watching Gable since he was coming up on the regional scene since you were talking about him and everyone was all hyped about a man so I kind of already knew where gonna cross paths but it wasn't until I was requesting to get on the LA card I heard they were coming to LA and I kept saying hey I want LA I want LA and I just like all right you got LA you're fighting Gable so there was a conversation about the White House card so this is June that's when it first came up and so how did it wind up taking place in September well I just never heard back they talked about it they're like would you take it and I was like sure and I think I think maybe they were trying to get Jones on there too possibly I think that might have been what it was that I think Dana was hesitant yeah to get John on there yeah and and so I think it was like a if I'm not going and maybe Gables I don't know what it was but they just I just that was the first time I was approached like hey would you be open to fighting him on the White House and I was like of course and so how long out did they tell you about the LA card about six weeks but I had already been in camp because I was supposed to fight Tai Tuivasa and I had to pull out cuz my nose got broken in that camp so I was basically in the camp for the tie fight and then I went straight into that into the next camp as soon as I got cleared to start sparring and stuff but I was still training the whole time I was running I was I went full fucking I retained my seed I was fucking did you really yeah bro I went full eight weeks no no no jerk out no sex no nothing I went full like marine mode that's why you guys saw that that mat on the ground in the studio was because I was like I was like really fucking going to I got end up getting air mattress after I texted Strickland cuz he's like yeah and you were sleeping on a mat yeah you tell people about that well basically because I I have I'm obviously my phone my finances are out there already I can I didn't have anything in my name so I've been I've been bouncing around from fighter houses as fighter house LV they started out and um it's like 40 bucks a room you get and I was also stay in the casinos fucking gambling doing a bunch of dumb shit and stayed in my car a few times bouncing back forth with my mom it was just a little bit of a chaotic situation and I got a spot I got a front from my management they gave me four grand cuz that's because basically was in California and I stayed out there with my mom and I got to come back out here for the camp and I was like hey I need funds can you guys give me in the front of me four grand on my purse and they said hey get get whatever you want I mean they weren't very involved like if I'm being honest I can't figure it out on my own like and um yeah I had a friend he got me a sublease got me in a spot and I just fucking well it's such a crazy rocky story I know I feel like a movie like so I'm saying and I don't even know like my brother people aren't gonna believe this shit like I gotta fucking show the receipts you know like I'm gonna show you some fucking shit I mean I've never experienced something like that but it has to be like right now even it's hard to believe that you did what you did yeah yeah cuz I I like believed I was on a win like I was telling myself but it was I believed it was gonna be a war I believed it was gonna be my whole game plan was like he sure he might get the takedown you're gonna stay in his fucking face I was I was screaming the fucking affirm the John Jones speech when he's like fucking when he told DC and he was all like there's nothing you could do to stop me from coming after you round after round the most malicious techniques I know you will lose this fight Gable Stevenson you will lose his fight and I will stay and I was just like just just telling myself that I was gonna go through hell for this you know because all my previous fights it was first-round knockouts all my victories first-round knockouts and it kind of gave me the delusion that I'm just touched guys and they're gonna fall but then when I got to the UFC like I had that that loss with Taffa and I had Asplen I fucking kept cracking him he wouldn't fall and then I kind of started doubting my power a little bit it kind of started like questioning like hey like fucking can I do this and so like when I just hit him with that left hook and he fell I was like I start cussing I jumped on I was fucking bro I was like what? I started cussing I jumped on I was fucking bro I was like what the fuck is I started cussing I jumped on I was fucking bro I was like what the fuck is going on man you were he was a -2400 favorite yeah the disrespect was it fucking bro I was like what the fuck is going on man you were he was a -2400 favorite yeah the disrespect was it 2,400 that's what it was okay I just want to be really clear about that going on man you were he was a -2400 favorite yeah the disrespect was it that's what it was okay I just want to be really clear about that that's a crazy number as for heavyweight for heavyweight it might be the biggest at least bookmaker odds it might be the biggest upset in the history of sport that's what they're saying yeah I mean that's what they're saying yeah I mean that's what they're saying yeah I mean even with Holly Holm and Ronda Rousey it even with Holly Holm and Ronda Rousey it even with Holly Holm and Ronda Rousey it was just like Holly Holm was dangerous was just like Holly Holm was dangerous was just like Holly Holm was dangerous multiple-time world kickboxing champion multiple-time world kickboxing champion multiple-time world kickboxing champion multiple-time world boxing champion you multiple-time world boxing champion you multiple-time world boxing champion you know she was a legitimate striker that know she was a legitimate striker that know she was a legitimate striker that you know I could see Holly being you know you know I could see Holly being you know a 10 to 1 dog or something like that but this was yeah I was coming off of two losses like like I lost my discipline a lot you know coming up grinding for this and here it is let's watch it again yeah so you just know it's real one more time boom oh the way the head snaps back too what did it feel like when you're standing there holding your arms up were you like in space were you in another galaxy everything just felt like so before like even like I haven't seen the clips I remember I shook Jones hand and his hand before they left but like everyone's saying like are you sure you did that because like I vividly remember like before they walked out and everyone started booing like I shook their hand I shook his hand like that was it I didn't say anything and um but like bro everything just feels like I haven't even gotten the chance to digest it like I've been just going this whole week like doing interviews after interviews and zoom and it's like I'm so exhausted I just want to go to a mountain or to the desert and fucking take some mushrooms with my dog and fucking like process what the fuck is going on man that probably might be a good idea too so you can stay on the course you know because one of the problems with like a big event or a big moment is you can be defined by that big event and big moment and that big moment can be like a centerpiece in your life instead of the path right so the path you're on is getting better as an MMA fighter achieving like world-class status fighting for a title eventually that's the path is it though Joe yeah why not is it well that's why I want to ask you because like I mean bro if you can do that everyone's making it seem like this is just like a thing but it's not it's not a fucking lucky punch one shot and like my so this is my thing is I've always taken to have been taken my journey fight by fight like I didn't like I got out the Marine Corps and I was like hey like I want to be a UFC fighter and like it wasn't like oh I want to be a champion and you know it was just like I just wanted to be in the organization and wear the uniform and just be able to be able to fucking say I did that and the fact that I just lost it like those two times like fuck it I was like they gave me the uniform but it didn't feel like it and so now like to do this the people say it's gonna be the biggest upset in history fucking in my home like fucking against all odds I'm like but like it's like can I beat that like do I you leave the table when you're up that's what they say you know like fucking like are you thinking about doing that I think about leaving the table I'm I told I'm not I told Micah the psych at the the PI I told my Sergey my training partner I told gocore I told all these guys I was like hey bro if I win this fight the way I'm visualizing I like I would put that because this is fucking like that was it you know and I don't I don't know like just because it was such a big moment just no it's the fact of what I had to go to get because like brother I've had zero sponsors I got zero promo I got zero like any kind of like support throughout this whole thing like even like with the coaching you know like my corner like I was scrambling to figure that out you know and it was just like I had to beg for so much fucking help throughout this process but it just made me fucking like no I was just put a little sour taste in my mouth I was like bro like fucking like for what like and then on top of that I got fucking CT scan they're saying I got some fucking brain matter and shit I'm fucking stitched up from head to toe I got fucking all types of injuries like and I'm like bro what am I doing if we're just fucking for more money for a belt like what what am I doing for that's why I'm trying to figure out the answers myself that's interesting well if that's the case then definitely go take mushrooms with your dog that's why I'm like maybe you can help me advise me here the decision is always going to be in entirely yours because it's dependent entirely upon who you are where you are and I don't know that I don't know where you're at in your life I don't know where you're at with your mind I don't know there's nothing wrong with you walking away right now if you choose to do that um so you have to think about it and I think a moment like that like I said was so big you have to let it settle before you decide what you're going to do there's a lot of people um there's there's a bunch of different ways to approach fighting and I think one of the one of the One of the worst ways is to chase glory. does come to the greats in in in that glory you know the glory that justin gaethje got when he beat ilia taporia at the white house no one's ever going to experience that there's kind of greatest moments in the history of combat sports this episode of the joe rogan experience is presented by cbs marshals luke grimes is back as casey dutton in marshals season two as a part of an elite unit of u.s marshals working to bring range justice to montana dutton has to balance family duty and everything they cost to battle the chaos around him marshals returns sunday october 4th kicking off cbs premiere week and streaming on paramount plus mr president my company for me of the explosion on our rig on october 2nd causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami they all heap the blame on me tom cruise is digger not a center this mess and digger's gonna dig us out from the 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slash jre for 30 off terms apply that was my logic too because like when i saw that the gaethje upset i was like bro like what more do you have to prove like you just shocked the fucking world yeah he could he could certainly walk especially gaethje he's had this insane career incredible career he could definitely walk away now and he's going to walk away now and he's going to walk away now and he's going to walk away now and be one of the all-time greats but connor for instance like connor's last fight like it seemed like connor was doing it to show that he could still do it seemed i don't know you know i didn't talk to him i haven't had a conversation with him as a person but it seemed like he wanted to be on top again he wanted to show that he could go out there and still be a world-class fighter like max holloway and just show that he could do it and you gotta wonder is that the best motivation for a guy that's worth half a billion dollars and it's fucking living in the lap of luxury and it's just chasing a high he's right now he's like he's a was like i just want to go out on top going on is he chasing the high versus is he chasing the dream so like when he knocked out jose aldo he was chasing the dream he was a juggernaut he was storming through the division he was knocking everybody out he looked like this guy that had this phenomenal talent this special charisma and he looked like a guy who is chasing this this thing this dream his dream of becoming a world champion so then you achieve it and then i think the big derailment was the floyd mayweather fight right he leaves mma trains boxing for what has a great performance against floyd mayweather one of the greatest boxers of all time does 10 rounds with him which is fucking insane did you see my video with him before the fight no i went viral with with with gable and i was oh really because because i started promoting myself so like that was the issue like i kept seeing these collabs and these promos with with gable and i was like bro what the fuck man like why is no one pushing me so i started like just going outside the pi and i was like i did my own promo and then like just the odds like the next day i ran to floyd at the fucking at the lifetime and i was like hey man let me get a quick video fucking uh to promote my fight and whatnot so uh it's just ironic he's a floyd that's funny that's funny well that's just to be expected i mean you got to realize gable is first of all olympic gold medalist one of the greatest heavyweight wrestlers the united states that are produced right and then he goes on to be undefeated in mma wins that fight in dirty boxing he's an athletic freak and he's being chained trained by john jones but who did he be on the regional scene that's what didn't impress me he got wheel kicked in mexico so the guy was like want to know that he's being like because i was four and on the regional scene too then i got a hundred percent correct in that regard but he couldn't get any fights nobody any good wanted to he's this insane freak wrestler and they want to win and they want to make their way through you know whatever regional circuit it is get a really good record and get some experience before they get into the ufc they don't want to get flatlined they don't get beat up and smashed yeah they want you know they want and a good manager treats their fighters that way a good manager says listen you're not ready for that yet we're going to get you this guy don't get beat by him yet you you can eventually beat him but we have to develop these skills we have to develop these techniques we have to get you something that's going to make you feel like you're going to get some seasoning you have to get some hard fights against some really tough guys so you know what the the fucking basement feels like you got to know what it's like to be in the dungeon you know he wasn't in the dungeon wasn't in the dungeon they were fucking coddling him and pampering him and well i think also when you're that good of an athlete and you've had that much success in wrestling which is you know the celebrated incredible sport and then you enter into mma with all that hype and fanfare you start to believe that you are special and you're a regular human being with very good skills because that's what he is a regular human being with very good skills and you showed it you showed it with a fucking perfect left hook when you stepped outside and then it was everything in that left hook it was pretty it was technical it was perfect and he was reaching at the time too so oh and that well that was the other thing he was closing his eyes and that was i saw in the replay and that comes because he isn't smart enough right he hasn't had that experience of fucking being in the fight and he hasn't had that experience of fucking over and over he's only been striking for like a year and a half that's that's why that's why when they asked me they try to make it seem like i was talking shit like are you impressed by gail i was like no i'm not impressed like what what are you not impressed about my what the fuck what he's an olympic gold medalist but what this is fighting and we're gonna fight yeah yeah well his first fight he got tagged a bunch the first fight in the ufc and that guy fought well he hit him with some good shots that guy was there to win he just he just you know was overwhelmed gable got him but that fucking left hook changed the landscape of the universe dude that left hook changed i felt like changed your life changed the world yeah there was so many people that even before the fight they're like if you beat gable i'm gonna name my kid after you like i'm putting my mortgage down like bro like like i was like i don't know if these comments are real but like there was so many people messaging me and commenting like and even like with the press conference like they were telling me like like please bring up please bring up his past please bring up his past you know and i was all like shit but i fought for my freedom of speech man i don't give a fuck i'll say whatever i want you know and yeah it's a lot like the whole the whole build-up to a fight is so much there's so much talking there's so many people talking at you and there's so many narratives there's so many people like you could get your brain really fucking scrambled during those things including him like believing the hype or anybody believing the hype and what was crazy was we weren't even supposed to be on the press conference or even on the main card until ortega fell out and i was like oh my god i'm gonna be on the press conference and i'm gonna be on the that was like that felt like divine intervention bro because i was just like oh my god like i thought i was i was gonna get the press conference and when i got to fight week it was like there was i wasn't on there and then that next day they were like oh no you're on your main card you're going you're going to the press conference so maybe that i wouldn't have gotten in his head if i didn't get in the press conference you know because that was that was strategic like i i was saying in interviews before like that's psychological warfare all this very love and war and it's like uh if if you don't know how to handle that i mean i like like i said i just things to light like yeah that was all i did and um if you if you like and let that get under your skin like who knows if it let it get under his skin i mean even if there was nothing going on you might have still hit him with that exact same punch yeah i think there's a there's a gap in experience and there's a gap in striking ability i mean he obviously is an incredible athlete and he's very good at being the hammer you know he can unload combinations on guys we've seen it you know we saw it in dirty boxing but striking you know as well as anybody it is a fucking complicated thing that takes a long time to figure out there's a lot of elements to it there's a lot of knowledge foot placement where to be where not to be what to do what not to do you get caught doing something you need a really good coach to explain to you how you got caught and never get caught like that again because you need to do this or you need to do that make sure your foot is outside the line make sure your head's off the center line there's a bunch of different shit that takes fucking forever for your brain to absorb and then absorb to the point where you can it just memory muscle memory inside of chaos and combat i truly felt in flow state when i i was not thinking like i didn't go out like oh i'm gonna throw the two or the the whole game plan was like don't over respect the wrestling and put hands on this motherfucker like that was that was that was the game plan like like obviously like i knew like he might get the takedown but like i said i was just telling myself you're gonna get up you're gonna get up you're gonna fucking stay in his face over and over again i think a big flaw that he did in both the first fight and the fight with you is i don't even think he was thinking about it taking you down yeah which is really crazy he's gonna be shooting his next fight that's for sure yeah yeah i would imagine I would imagine that would be a good idea. I mean, it's your number one skill set. It's crazy. It's like Wonderboy deciding not to kick. Like, what? But it's also because he was getting praised. Like, he was constantly being told, like, he's the greatest thing. He's knocking these guys out. Even Dana, like, after the press conference in his first fight, he was just, like, praising him. Like, oh, like, he's striking with guys, knocking guys out when he could be using his wrestling. And, like, I think it just, like, got to him. And when I knew I had him was when I saw he booked that RAF fight during the fight camp. He went and did an RAF fight, like, a few weeks, RAF wrestling match a few weeks before our fight. I was like, this motherfucker is not taking me seriously. This motherfucker is going to book fucking wrestling. And I'm over there getting my ass beat fucking every day, fucking with Sergey Spivak. Blagoi was working with me, fucking Iwan Kutlaba. And I had to wear my headgear because my nose was broken. And that thing was broken. I was, like, suffocating me. And these guys were just putting me in the worst positions over and over again, starting from fucking bottom, fucking picking me up. Matt returned, slammed me back down. Brother, that's what it felt. I love Rocky, man. You're a Rocky story, man. Yeah, bro. You are a real live Rocky story, 100%, man. It feels unreal. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. It's football season, and Uber Eats is delivering deals every game day. This week, double down on protein-packed sandwiches with Biobank. Buy one, get one, select six-inch subs from Subway. Whether you're keeping it low-key for the game or hosting friends, Uber Eats has deals to keep you fed. So, order a six-inch turkey, tuna, or meatball sub from Subway, and you'll get one free. No matter who scores big tonight, you'll score a deal. Order now for buy one, get one, select six-inch subs from Subway, only on Uber Eats. Subway offer valid through October 4th. Add eligible menu item to order prior to checkout. Taxes, fees, and terms apply. Product availability varies by region. Exclusions may apply. See app for details. But even Rocky didn't end that way. Like, step in, boom, 12 seconds. Crazy, man. Crazy. It really felt like it was just karma and divine intervention. Because the way he was disrespecting me, too. He called me a coward, saying, like, he's the reason that I'm there. And fucking, he. My hotel room is paid because of Gable Stevens. What's up with him talking in third person? I know maybe he's your boy, and I saw him on here before, but this dude's talking about us in third person all the time. Like, what the fuck is up with that? The third person stuff is very weird. You know who used to do that, who I love, who used to do that all the time, is Roy Jones. Roy Jones Jr. is going to do what Roy Jones Jr. wants to do. Is he here right now? Is Roy in the room with us? That's a strange thing that people do, that third person thing. It is odd. It's like an elitist thing, you know? Yeah. Like I said, he's just thinking all that. So I'm just, I'm glad I could bring him back down to reality, because, like. It's probably good for him, too, if he decides to actually continue and pursue his career and become a world champion. That might be a blessing in disguise, because it was a fight that allowed him to recognize that the skills that he has in wrestling, other people have similar skills in striking and similar skills in all the other aspects of MMA. And then, you know, there's no shortcuts. Just because you're a really good wrestler doesn't mean you're an elitist. You're an elite kickboxer. You know, it just doesn't, it doesn't translate. You have to learn those things. Yes, sir. And, you know, you, a guy becomes amazing because of his accomplishments, but before those accomplishments, you're not necessarily amazing yet. And his accomplishments were all in a completely different discipline. I mean, it translates. It's one of the most important disciplines, probably the most important discipline for MMA if you use it, right? If you use it, it's probably, like, the ability to take a guy down and control a guy, it stifles all striking, right? If a guy, if he just decided to avoid you standing up and then shoot and he got you down, we're talking about a whole different fight, right? 100%. Yeah, but when you get it in your head. Ain't no rematch, though, buddy. Everyone's like, what's next? When's the rematch? All right, bro. Fuck you. You're going to sleep with that. That motherfucker, that motherfucker's not getting his dick up for fucking weeks, man. I took his soul. You heard the whole David Goggins when he said that shit? He's like, yeah, you're not going to fucking live with that for a little bit, bro. Well, psychologically, it's why would you, why would you? Why would you schedule a rematch quickly, if at all? Like, there's no reason. First of all, on paper, it's 12 seconds. It's not, it's not like a controversial decision, right? Controversial decisions warrant a rematch. You know, really good war goes to the judges, could have gone either way. That makes sense. 12-second knockouts don't get rematches. That doesn't make any sense. That makes zero sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. He's going to have to figure out why he's deciding to strike and then really tighten up his striking. He's going to have to watch that. Film footage and see what he did wrong. You know, there's a bunch of different striking analysts have broken down the video. And, you know, you could see you did everything right. And he didn't. Real simple. You know, and he's a human and you're a big motherfucker. And you got a big motherfucker with a big left hook. And you land that on virtually any human being alive. You catch him on the chin like that, where their head snaps back like that. It's like 10 pounds of pressure. That's why you need a tip the chin, right? It was a lot more than 10. I mean, you snapped his head back. But, you know, listen, guys have come back from knockouts like that and become all-time greats. You know, look at Michael Bisping. Michael Bisping gets flatlined by Henderson and then goes on to become an all-time great and wins the middleweight title, knocks out Luke Rockwell, defended it against Henderson. And I said in my post-fight interview, like, I kept it classy. I was like, hey, look, like, this is going to make him better. Like, there's a, but like, right now I'm on my victory lap. And I'm going to talk some shit because the motherfucker disrespected the fucker. His whole team disrespected him. Right. Jones driving around with him in the Mercedes, like, tonight we collect a head. You know, like, bro, what? Like, come on, Jones. Like, you of all people know not to underestimate someone. You're like, come on, man. Well, John's a different guy. He's a different athlete. But they made him, they made him think that he was next John Jones. I know. And John Jones is a different fucker. I've studied John Jones my whole fucking life, man. Like, you saw the picture with me and him? Like, that we took? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, eight years ago, right? And I was like, this is going to be my exam, you know? Yeah. And I can't even show you the DMs that I've sent. I'm like, fuck. And I told him, like, this was going to happen, you know? For him to be there, fucking front row, and then that viral reaction, it was, oh, my goodness, man. It was crazy. I mean, that's. Unreal. Yeah. You can't pretend that you're the guy that you're hanging out with. That's a bad thing. Yeah. John is a very unique athlete, though. I mean, he's a one of one. He's the GOAT. I mean, what he did to Cyril Ghosn, I just watched that fight again. It's fucking insane. Cyril never touched him. He got a hold of Cyril, dragged him to the ground, strangled him. Tap, tap. That's it. That's a wrap. Walked away. Didn't get scratched. Yeah. And then now you have Cyril Ghosn's the heavyweight champion of the world. And you see what he did to Pereira. You see what he did, at least in the first round before the eye pokes, to Aspinall. It's like, Cyril Ghosn's a special athlete, and John made him look unspecial. Yeah. How do you feel about that? But Gable's not that. He's not the same guy. He's not that guy, you know? It takes a long fucking time to be John Jones. Also, when John Jones became John Jones, he became John Jones slowly. I mean, it was quick in terms of, like, he was the quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. The quickest ever to become. 21, yeah. Yeah. I think 22. He became the youngest ever UFC champion. But there's a long process in getting there. Like, he didn't have that. He fought Guskov. He fought Stefan Bonner. He fought a bunch of guys and started looking like this guy might be something very unique. Yeah. And then he beat Shogun and wins the title and then just goes on this just fucking epic, legendary tear. Just the people he beat. Yeah, he beat everybody. He beat everybody and he beat everybody when he wasn't training. I have a photo from that expo. It's like Machida unconscious. Oh, yeah. I've had that in my room fucking forever. That was one of the coldest victories in the history of the sport. He chokes Machida unconscious and then drops him. Yeah. Just standing up, choked him unconscious, dropped him, and just walked away. It was fucking cold, man. It falls down in a heap. It was cold, man. Cold. But, you know, that's the problem. You know, you're hanging out with a guy who's the GOAT and you start thinking you're the next guy. Like, you might be. You could be if you do the right things. But if you believe it before it happens, like, you have to be cautious but also confident. Like, there's this dance of the mind. There's so much going on to be an elite fighter. You know, you have to be aware that you could look at Kamaru Usman beating Leon Edwards for four rounds. All of a sudden, one head kick. Boom! Lost the title. Never the same guy again. Yeah. Because you're human. Yeah. You're a fucking human being. As tough as Kamaru is, he's a fucking human being. And it's just this wild dance of possibilities. But it's also one of the reasons why people love the sport so much. Like, what you did elevated the whole sport. It really did. Because when you can see a guy who's a giant favorite and everybody's thinking he is the And I thought, well, like, this guy has a potential to be an all-time great. Like, he's an Olympic gold medalist. We've seen that before. You get a guy who's an elite wrestler, like Daniel Cormier. There's a lot of examples of guys who are elite wrestlers. And they become all-time greats. Randy Couture. You changed everything. Changed everything. One punch. Boom! Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. Let's feel good. One punch could really change your life. Let's feel pretty good, Sean. And they say, no, I feel amazing. I feel incredible. Like, just the fact I'm here. Like, this is another thing I haven't even, like, I learned more from your podcast than I have the industry. I have the entire public education system. Like, brother, I would sit on post, because I was an embassy security guard. and we'd be on duty and i would just have your podcast playing in the background and i would listen to all your guests like i started learning about the subconscious mind like through like billy carson and like another guy 19 keys uh joe dispenza yeah some of these guys and like like all of that like it it really has helped mold me into who i am just like from the types like you had i don't know all the names but you had the guests on sleep uh huberman like bro like it's just so so many variables like that you've brought that like you are truly like educating so many people like with what you've done man it's fucking well i'm happy you enjoyed it i hope it helped you and i'm happy i get to do it the fight companions i would sit i would sit on post and fucking watch fight companions and you have fucking eddie bravo and shit it's cool man it's fucking well it's cool that you're here right now and in celebration you know yeah kind of wild yeah really wild so like we were saying before like these big moments they're so big they can kind of overwhelm you i think you're very wise and that you want to like let the dust settle before you do anything yes let's just let yourself come back to normal yeah you are on a fucking psychedelic roller coaster and i can't even chill like everyone's like fucking they're already texting me like oh you went hollywood on us like bro what the fuck bro it's been like five days dog he's like oh are you switched up man well people want you to switch up that's a narrative that you're gonna have to deal with the people want oh you fucking changed yeah people some people do not want you to switch up you to succeed that is a fact because when you succeed especially succeed in a spectacular way they compare themselves to you and they fall short and they don't like it people do not like when people hyper succeed that is going to be a problem people want you to fall it's going to be a problem it's a problem with every champion every every celebrity every superstar in music and comedy and movies and acting and they want you to fall because there's a certain type of psychology that there's a certain psychological mindset that some people have where they look at people who are doing better than them and they compare themselves and they want that person to fail and so they'll pretend you're something you're not they'll create narratives that aren't real you went hollywood bro yeah you fucking sold out you fucking sold out and you're gonna have to deal with that too but that's just bitches there's a world filled with bitches and some bitches they have loud voices yes sir yeah it's okay yeah so that's what i'm navigating right now is just like trying to fucking like like a part of me is like trying to get back to everyone but the other part of me is like bro like can you just understand like even like i go from like doing all the interviews i had like interviews all day and then i would go home and like my family wants to talk to me about what's going on and like fucking i'm like bro like i just want to go walk my dog and then i'm like walk i did uh the bisbing interview and i was like walking my dog he's like like can you make sure you have good connection i'm like bro like i'm walking my dog man y'all want the interview or not bro it's more important to walk your dog i'm gonna shout out my dog apollo he's a german shepherd man because like this dude i got i got him when i got up boot camp i'm sorry out of the marines and he was he's been with me for like the past he's seven now he's about to be eight and like this dude he's like bro like broke like so many meals with him like i moved out to vegas two years ago by my years yeah that's my fucking boy man and uh and like this dude has seen it all man like i like that was like i had my fucking knee surgeries uh and i had to drive myself to pt fucking two days post-op like nobody nobody wanted to fucking take me to the pi and shit bro and i was like trying to walk my dog and shit and like all that shit that's what i was telling you earlier man i'm just like bro like it's such a like i don't want to say a fake game but it's just like they only love you when you're hot like when fucking gaethje got knocked out by holloway he wasn't fucking hot but then fucking he goes and wins this he's hot and then fucking max holloway gets knocked about ilia fucking ilia's hot now he's strickland chamaya fucking that's the game it's the hurt business you know and then when when they're done with you you cheat you out so so i'm like bro fucking i just upset the world fucking shit changed the the dynamic like you said uh united the mma community and i was like bro fucking what more do i fucking want did it at home fucking walked out to nipsey hustle man that was my dream brother like fucking that was like everything i drew walk out to hustle and motivate by nipsey hustle nice yeah nice that was one wow wow man but then the other people are like now he's a pussy he's fucking he's a lucky punch and he wants to fuck there's no such thing as a lucky punch anybody says that's a moron or they don't know any better or they think there's a thing you think you could say to diminish someone's accomplishment that's all it is there's no lucky punch yeah you're fighting a world-class athlete you stepped in you threw a left hook it was perfect that's not lucky that's exactly what you wanted to do and you did it if you had your eyes closed and you're falling backwards and you went like that yeah yeah caught him on the chair and you're like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die okay maybe that's a lucky punch but you still threw a punch yeah you know that's a much more fortunate punch i would say there's nothing lucky about the punch you threw yeah nothing lucky you wanted to hit him on the chain hit him on the chain thank you for clarifying fuck those people but that's this this thing about people only love you when you're hot that's always going to be the case that's just how it is in the world there's no there's no way around that man that's just people are always judging people on status they're always judging people on their their place in the we're chimpanzees you know we're like complicated chimps and that's how we look at it who's the big chimp who's top chimp oh you're not top chimp anymore you fucked up you fucking loser fuck you and you know you go on like someone's instagram like after they had a loss man i've seen guys go on you know get knocked out or get beat and then you go on their instagram and the horrific comments from these people that have never done jack shit in their life before the fight the guys were fucking brutal like this guy got lost at toffa this guy fucking oh and two fucking like bro they were going in on me man look at charles olivera i always say look at charles olivera one of the all-time greats and he went on a there was a lot of times where he had this fucking reputation of being a quitter yeah like people he lost a bunch of times cub swanson knocked him out paul felder beat the shit out of him all these people beat him and then he got it together somehow and became undeniable and became a world champion like this idea that like one loss defines you silly and it's only the only people that say that are people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about and this is part of the problem with the the comment sphere the world of people they could just chime in as experts when they literally have never done anything in their fucking life that's a lot of people never really accomplished anything great and they're talking about people that are trying to do one of the most difficult things in all of the world become a professional combat sports athlete the highest level with the whole world watching you millions of people on paramount plus 16 000 people in the fucking crypto dome or whatever the fuck that place is called the whole thing is nuts man and for you to be able to do that i feel like you're better off just not reading anything not not talking to anybody just go silent for a while just let you let the dust settle let the vibrations end it's like somebody just banged a gong you gotta wait for that you gotta wait for that to go back this is the most important podcast like you said you said do it this day i'm like i'm here well you said it in the interview you said i want to do your podcast i said fuck yeah i'm so glad i did a few times i ever swear during an interview too it just came out i said fuck yeah because it was just so crazy it was like how do you not have you on after that you did something incredibly special you know and i appreciate you letting me finish the prayer it was like i could feel like the crowd was like uh what's going on this guy started talking arabic is your moment this episode is brought to you by zip recruiter have you listened to the 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is just on another level and that's why traeger is such a game changer their grills run on real hardwood pellets so everything gets that legit wood fired flavor whether you're grilling steaks smoking ribs cooking chicken or even baking a pizza you just set your temperature put your food in and let traeger handle the rest it's simple if you like food that tastes like it came off a real fire without all the work check out traeger grills i wanted to ask i didn't want to i did want to ask you but i didn't want to prolong what was the prayer what were you saying uh so that's sort of the fat ha is basically the opening uh the opening prayer of the quran and it's basically like you say that for the dead uh and you say that for the dead uh and you say it during whenever you pray uh every day and um that's one of the the only the only verses of the quran that have i've had memorized since i was a kid because you can see i'm not i'm not a very perfect muslim you know i'm very tatted up like people didn't see my gambling and all that and uh but that's the thing man there's so many muslims that like hide hide shit too you know and like i just i don't want to conform to one or the other you know that's why i was just i kind of put all my stuff out there you know and um that was just a prayer for my dad because uh he he passed away when i was 15 and i kind of navigated this whole process without a father you know that's where the marine corps was so important to me because like they taught me how to tie my tie how to shave my face how to press my uniform you know like how to even speak and and articulate myself like um i'm so grateful for that and uh yeah but a big part of of me getting here was losing my father you know that kind of pushed me a lot i saw someone online calling you an anti-american and i was like yeah what because he has a muslim prayer for his father how crazy is that america is supposed to be a melting pot of everybody yeah all religions all walks of life all places in the world all come to here and become american the idea that you can't be an american don't you have like stars and stripes tattooed on your arm yeah bro there's no nuances anymore like they're like oh like if you support palestine then you can't be fucking a marine and if you're a marine it's fucking well that's crazy it's just like bro like that's crazy well again there's too many voices there's too much noise and that's what's going to be really important for you from now on is like because you've become very famous very very quickly is to surround yourself with people of character you know where am i gonna find him jeff that's a good question because i've been like i'm saying i've been on this journey fucking by myself for a very long time and uh and like now it's like snakes in the grass they're all appearing like oh like let me manage let me help you like we will sponsor you we'll do this we'll do that and i'm just like well listen part of that is a good thing like these are opportunities that come out of success right so it's like you could say they're taking advantage of you but no it's like there's a moment that happened you elevated you became something new and now here you are in this new stratosphere of life and you have to you know it's good it's good that they want to sponsor you now why would they want to sponsor you before you got to realize it like you're over two in the ufc that's how it is it's fair it's also we've talked about this a thousand times in the broadcast the difference between the regional circuit and the ufc is gigantic and once you get into the ufc the reality of it all the experience is overwhelming and it takes a few fights for a guy to really show who he is you see it over and over again and it's like you know you're in a situation where you're in a situation where you're in a situation where you're in a situation where you're in a situation where you're and over and over again it takes a few of those experiences inside that octagon where you just develop the ability to settle and then show you true skills yeah and some guys they never get there some guys they're phenomenal in training camp phenomenal in the gym even excellent in the regional circuit they get to the bright lights of the big show and they just can't be themselves yeah and that was the thing this is my first that was my first arena fight like my my last two were in the apex oh wow so it was just like complete like opposite like from like it felt like a barring match in the apex and going out to there it was just like but i feel like i performed better in in in under pressure like that like like when like there's millions of people watching and like the stakes are the highest and it's like it's like do or die like fucking i'm owing to like you know there's a high high chance fucking three losses like i was on the chopping block that was i was looking at you they were they were telling me like oh they won't cut you fucking but i'm not gonna leave it a chance if you fight hard as a heavyweight you have a very good chance they won't cut you because the heavyweight division is insanely shallow it's really shallow i really hope they don't cut ty i saw him tie yeah i know he put up a fucking tough fight oh he fought so hard he's so fun but i hate seeing that guy keep taking all these punches like he's had seven losses in a row now eight yeah you know and some of them are just like geez and that's the thing like you just want to go out on top everyone's just like oh let me just fucking win one i just want to win one i just want like tony ferguson like everyone's just like and that's where i'm just like right now i'm just like fuck man like does it really get bigger than this you know like upsetting the fucking mma world like sure like what are they gonna give me a fucking hokit uh fight for the title next i was like what he got to jump all the way up he jumped all the way up and a lot of it volkov the disrespect man i know volkov but that's what that's where we're in now it's all about entertainment what sells fights well he's very marketable you know obviously he uh talks a lot of shit and it's look it is a strategy on his part i've talked to him he's a normal person he's a normal dude in real life he's a nice guy talk to him in real life but he's realized like there's a way to get eyes on you and that is to be crazy it's so fake oh it's totally fake i mean he'll tell you it's fake i did it by being real you did yeah it's true i mean look you don't have to do it that way but also you know he's had three fights in the ufc and he's fighting for the title yeah right you know what i'm saying it's crazy but sarah better beat him man fuck cyril's a hard dude to fight for figure out he's a different kind of cat that's that motherfucker moves different than everybody else you know we were talking about this i think basketball might be a really good start starting point for mma like if you can get really good at basketball the difference is you're a big person first of all and then for heavyweights in particular and you're doing constant plyometrics like basketball's plyometrics right you're moving this way you're jumping you're leaping forward there's all these like changes of angle and direction yeah that comes up very much in fighting especially if you can change direction quickly in the middle of a combination which cyril can like you see this cyril tie to evasify yeah incredible performance right his footwork is footwork's out of control man his footwork's unreal and against pereira you saw how that translates against a guy as big as him you know that footwork is a that's a fucking real problem man what did you think about those back of the headshots do you think i watched it and i know that's a real problem man i watched it and i know that um pereira is blaming herb dean the problem is he's moving and it's chaos the really egregious foul is the tom aspinall fouls that's the very egregious fouls the eye pokes those are egregious those are just fingers out in the eyeballs those are bad i'm of the opinion the moment that happens they should take a point away instantly instantaneously your fingers goes in a guy's eye take a point away you nut shot a guy unless it's a diversion like sometimes like you'll kick and it'll kick someone's shin and then it'll foot will go into the nuts right accident clearly but if you just kick a guy in the nuts one point you grab a fence one point let's stop all this let's stop all this there's two ways to stop that another way he's got to figure out how to cover the fingers i think people are strategizing that now we're like they know like fucking oh if i if i poke my eye like fucking the damage is going to be done and like i got the event like sure you're going to be able to maybe even take a point like fucking but the damage is already done that happened to me in my my pro debut well the guy was like dipping his head down and fucking coming up with the overhand and when he popped his head just fucking head butted me around the chin and like on purpose yeah because he kept doing it but like the ref didn't even see it and i like i got a little wobbled and stuff and um but if i didn't finish him like i could have gotten screwed you know like yeah nobody catches that stuff well pantoja accused joshua van of that in their fight and i think he thought that joshua van was doing that but i don't think that was what was going on at all i think he was just getting frustrated that joshua van was it was moving ahead in the fight was in this in this last one yeah i didn't even get to watch it it was it was a fucking master class you know because joshua van he won the title but it was from an injury you know pantoja threw the head kick falls backwards breaks his arm that's the fight it happened really quickly yeah and so it was a very you know it was maybe a fluke yeah anticlimactic it was it was an injury we don't know how the fight would have played out if they had gone but then you see him against tatsuro taira he looked like a world champion he beat he defended the title and then against pantoja he just put on a master class man his fucking boxing was so sweet like joshua van is something special man that kid gets better every single time he fights every single and so pantoja is like 25 right yeah he's he's he's the real thing man he's something special he's something special he's something special he's something real special and i feel like next time you see him fight after you just beat pantoja it was one of the greatest flyweights of all time and just beat him decisively after he beat pantoja i think he's going to be even better next time i mean he was talking in the press conference he was upset about his victory he said man look at my face he goes that dude shouldn't be touching me like this that's what makes you a champion exactly exactly but you know his path and your path they're very different paths and everyone has to decide where they're at in their life and if you're at this point where you're like i don't know i'm not going to be able to i don't know if i want to do this anymore i could just go out with that well i just want to know why i'm doing that's what i need to go out and find that answer because i'm like if it's just the money like right like i did option trading when i during covid like i used to be a personal trainer when i got out of the marines and then i started getting into option train to learn how to make money digitally and like i started making like six figures during the whole amc and gamestop and tesla fucking pops and all that stuff and um that's like one and i want to do like private security as well i did a few of that like a go work with some of the high rollers and casinos i just do private security and like i i can find ways to make money i got gi bill benefits that i like i go to school and like like do so for me i'm like if it's just the money like i could find a way to make money without getting fucking my head my brain smashed but the title yeah i mean fuck cool ufc title but like then it's like oh you're not a champion until you defend the title and then it's like fucking oh and then then there's this guy coming up and this guy and it's just like there's never and it's not until you're fucking you're not a champion until you defend the title and then it's like oh and then fucking old and beaten up and fucking they see you fucking down That's true. It's the business, man. That is true. And if you talk to some of these guys that stayed in too long and, you know, they're slurring their words and you see how broken they are. They have a difficult time walking and sitting down. It's a struggle. Yeah. Yeah. My whole MMA career, because I got out in 2018 and I sent an email to Perillo and Orange County and Ruka. And it was basically just trial by fire. I was just sparring all the pros. Luke Rockhold, Michael Bisbing, fucking Sean Strickland came and fucking was dropping me as an amateur. Like, I fucking just had been sparring over. And then I went out to Tiger and fucking moved out to Thailand and was doing sparring out there. And I was just been, even got to extreme and fucking, I was sparring Francis Ngannou my first week, bro. My first week, they threw me in there with Ngannou, bro. It was the most terrifying shit of my fucking life, bro. I went to the Apex and reassessed my life choices after that, bro. I was just like. And so when you're talking about guys that are staying. Too long, like, bro, like I've just been sparring and maybe that's where my lack of development is, you know, because I never focused on like just the footwork and never focused on just getting better at like thinking, you know, it was always just this primal feeling of just like, like I've been a street fights, you know, and like, I just fucking start picking it up as I go. That's interesting. So do you have a main coach? Do you have a head coach that just develops you? No, it's I bounce around a lot of gyms. Like I started Perillo. I went with Nick Sick. I went to Freestyle MMA. I went to I've bounced around like so many and like because I've always been looking for the Cuss and Mick, the fucking Cuss and Tyson and the Rocky and Mick and like the like Trevor and Gaethje and like, bro, like that doesn't come unless you're fucking Hollywood now. Like fucking like now. Sure. Maybe I'll get fucking a bunch of coaches like, yeah, let me fucking develop you. But I'm like, who actually fucking wants to actually be my head coach? You know, like fucking like who's actually like here because nobody was like, oh, like I see fucking potential in you and you could be. You could be a world champion someday and let me take you under my wing and I'll give you privates for free. Like every single private I did, I paid for every single one. Like I never got any free privates. And that was a big part of why I went into a lot of financial struggle was like no sponsors, no fucking. And I'm like constantly like I'm like just because I want to I just want my hand raised one time. Just like I just want to know what it felt like to get my fucking hand raised in that octagon, man. And so that's why I fucking I did it. And on the biggest stage, it gets the biggest odds. And I'm just like, bro. Like walk from the table when you're up, bro. Well, listen, it's not the worst idea in the world, especially you were saying that there's that you did brain scans and they found something in your brain. Yeah, there was just it was just like white matter and stuff like so they did MRI. And then, OK, like we want you to do another CT scan. Like there's like it's like white specks or something white matter or something. I think they were like, oh, it could be caused by headaches could be caused by this. But yeah, I don't know. Well, listen, all that's barring for sure. It gives you brain damage. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you had your bell rung. Sure. You've been dropped. Yeah. This is part of the sparring. Everybody. Look, if you spar, you're going to get some damage. Yeah, for sure. There's no no ifs, ands or buts about the business. And a lot of the brain damage that fighters get it. A lot of it comes from training. A lot of it doesn't even come from the actual fights itself. Yeah. It counts. I mean, people don't think about that. You go, wow, you only only got knocked out one time in his whole career. Yeah. But how many sparring? How many matches did he have? Yeah. Yeah. And that was I was telling you earlier, like, I went through fucking hell this camp. Like, I was fucking like hard around like, like, it's Iwan Kutalaba. He's so explosive, so fast. He's fucking, you know, I'm like, we're working that oblique kick. This is something, another thing I want to, I want to mention. It was very interesting to me. My whole camp, I trained for him to crawl towards me like Jones does because he does the same thing. And so what I did, I got down in the same. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got down in the same position on my knees to like crawl towards him because that's what I've been practicing my whole camp. But then he didn't do it that this last fight. He just walked towards me. So I don't know if fucking that was if I got in his head when I got down. But I thought that was very interesting because my whole camp I was every time every round I was like, hey, crawl towards me like Jones does crawl towards me like Jones does do the oblique kick. I fully went into this fight thinking that my knees were going to get caved to fucking I completely said I was like, bro, like, fucking I don't care. What do you think about that kick? The UFC is now talking about trying to ban that. Kick. I think this is combat. Like, I think it's like a part of it. And it's unfortunate because a career ender like Khalil Roundtree fucking he's and it's and it's just like and also Shavkat, you know, Gary got Shavkat's knee. Yeah. So it's like a part of it's like, yeah, it fucking sucks. But at the same time is like it's fighting, you know, like if and it's like if this was a real fight, like that's that's pretty realistic. So is eye pokes. Yeah. I say we get that. That football field you were talking about. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? So are eye pokes. And we don't allow eye pokes because it creates permanent injury. I see what you're saying. But the reality is, if you were in a street fight, you'd poke the fuck out of somebody's eyes and you should. You know, if you're fighting for your life, you'd fucking thumb right in the eye. One hundred percent. Why? Why? One hundred percent. Why wouldn't you? So we have to decide. That's true. What is good for the safety of the athletes long term. If you're going to have a long term career with a blown out knee. OK. A blown out. A blown out knee takes you out for a year. Not only does it take you out for a year, but your knee might never be the same again. Yeah. You've had ACL surgery. Yeah. Yeah. I've had them. That's what I'm saying. That was one of my fears going into this fight. I was like, fuck, man. These motherfuckers are going to fuck my shit up. Yeah. And I was like, fuck it. Let's go. But John destroyed guys' knees. I was there for Tiago Santos. I was there. And that was the same night Masvidal knocked out Askren. Right. And yeah, I don't think Tiago Santos was ever the same after that fight. He had both his knees reconstructed after that fight. Fucking crazy. Yeah. And Rampage Jackson, too. He blew out Rampage's knee. Rampage said that my knee was never the same again after that fight. Yeah. I just don't think. I understand that it's combat, but also so is poking in the eyes. And we don't allow poking in the eyes. So you think we shouldn't have. It's an argument. There's a real conversation about whether or not it should be legal. Andy Foster, I think, is one of the best, without a doubt, Athletic Commission directors from California. He thinks it should be banned. Yeah. And the UFC thinks it should be banned. It's just too many guys. Ruzaboyev, who just. Ruzaboyev just fought MVP. MVP blew out his knee. Sidekicked his knee. His knee's completely reconstructed now. He went into surgery right after the fight. Now, would it be like just the oblique kick or like. Sidekicks and oblique kicks. Just those two. Yeah. Just attacking the knee with a straight kick that hyperextends it. So you'd still be able to leg kick, obviously. You'd still be able to round kick to the leg. But the issue is the hyperextension of the knee. Yes. Because it just takes one and your knee is fucked forever. Your career is over. Yeah. You know, it's just, why are we doing that? You know, why don't we poke each other in the eye if we're going to do that? That's very, that's very true. Yeah. It's a sport at the end of the day. It's not a street fight. Yeah. And people say, well, you can heel hook. You could tap on a heel hook. You cannot tap for a sidekick to the knee. Yeah. That, that sidekick comes and especially catches you. Did you see the, the Ruzaboyev, the, the, the screenshot of what it looked like when MVP caught him? His fucking shit was totally sideways. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Just everything's ripped apart inside of there. It's gone. Yeah. I mean, one shot. I'm all for it. You know, I like my knees fucking. I just don't. I think there's things we can't do. We can't bite. We can't eye gouge. We can't fish hook. There's a bunch of things we can't do because you want to protect the fighters. And look at, look at his knee. Oh, shit. Yeah. Look how sideways that shit is. That's blown. Blown out, man. God damn. I mean, that's knee probably never going to be the same again. How did you feel about them? Letting him go, even though he's winning? I think MVP should be a welterweight, first of all. I think at welterweight, he's almost unstoppable. So fucking difficult to handle. Ian Gary was the only guy that figured out how to handle him. I don't think the power translates as well at 85. Some of these 85 guys, like Gregory Rodriguez and Joe Pfeiffer, they're fucking huge, man. I don't know how they make 85, but these guys look like heavyweights. But he's one of my favorite fighters to watch. Because, like, his fight with Kevin Holland, people could talk all the shit about it was a boring fight. And nothing happened. But when you got a guy as good as Kevin Holland, and he's just, like, completely frustrated because he can't do shit. And this guy's just dancing in front of him and popping him and kicking him and punching him anytime he wants. It's nuts to watch, man. He's also 38, 39. Like, how old is MVP now? How old is Michael Venom Page? For me, he was, like, proof of concept. Because I was always telling people. I was like, the thing that's missing. In MMA, 39. See, the reality is, if you're natural, if you're a natural athlete, and you're 39 years old, it's almost over. Yeah. Unless you're a heavyweight. Heavyweights have a little bit more life to them. Like, Francis is still at the top of the heap, and I think he's, like, 40 now. Yeah. But there's a time where you just can't move. All the injuries, all the training. You can't move as well anymore. You're a little bit slower. I was always saying, though, that. There's a thing that's missing in combat sports, and that thing is point-fighting karate. That point-fighting style is so fucking hard to deal with. If you have never sparred anybody that does that shit, the moment you spar them, you're like, yo, this is crazy. Like, these guys can cover distance. They just jump in, and then they're out of there, and they move out of the way. And you get frustrated. And you start chasing them, and then you get countered. It's a totally different element. On its own, it's no good. Like. it's no good as a standalone style because guys could take you down you know how to wrestle you're fucked you don't have to do jiu-jitsu you get strangled you don't know leg kicks you get your legs kicked out from under you but one if you know all those things and you come from that point fighting background that ability to blitz that ability to dive in and out and and hit someone from a distance they can't hit you is crazy yeah and he to me was like proof of concept and i think there's going to be a lot of other guys that are like elite point fighters that decide to enter into MMA and I think they're gonna have like some pretty pretty incredible success if they're special Raymond Daniels did it for a little bit in um uh in Bellator 720 yeah 720 punch but he also like did it in uh glory kickboxing too he had some great fights in glory kickboxing as well but again he's a little older that's the problem these guys they have these long careers in the one discipline they get really good and then they by the time they start doing MMA they're 34 35 four or five years later their career's over yeah you know so you don't have enough time to develop and really grow and you're also gonna have a gang of injuries I mean look I wish nothing but the best for MVP I love that guy I think he's awesome he's got an awesome personality he's had some boring fights though unfortunately and I think it's entertainment yeah it's a fucking knockouts it's a little bit of both you know it's a little bit of entertainment it's a little bit of sport this episode is sponsored by better help if you've thought about trying therapy with our long-term partner better help insurance options may now be available nationwide with an average co-pay for eligible members of just 23 dollars per session world's mental health day is October 10th but your mental health doesn't check the calendar stress burnout or just feeling off can happen anytime that's why therapy isn't only for the big stuff it can help with anxiety relationship issues work stress or even just a bad day you don't have to wait for things to get worse to start taking care of your mental health if you've been waiting to start therapy better help works with more than 125 health plan networks and eligible members have an average co-pay of just 23 dollars per session with insurance don't have insurance or live outside the United States you can still get 10 off your first month visit better help.com slash jre to explore your payment options that's better help.com slash jre how do you feel about that you've been around for for a long time like when the fortitas ran it compared to now how paramount runs it like do you do you like how it is now like compared to where it's like it's all about entertainment versus like who's the best at dominance well I'm a purist I don't think you should ever stand a guy up I don't think you should ever separate someone when they're on the cage I cheer for it when it happens just like every other moron but I mean if you gave me the ability to write the rules I would never stand anybody up ever if you get taken down and someone's on top of you giving you noogies for five rounds figure out how to get up if you can't figure out how to get up you lost simple you might not lose the same way that you beat gable you know that's a way more exciting way to win right but you still won you held him down you gave him some of these he couldn't get up that's the fight boo the audience booze okay whatever still better than baseball fuck off you know what I mean like I think it's fighting and I think I also think very controversially you shouldn't be stood up not only at the end of the round your I think the next fight the next round rather it's the same fight you should be put back in the same position I don't be this pride 15 minutes straight you could do that probably was 10 it was 10 minute rounds and then a second five minute round but I don't think you earn a stand-up You know, like every fight starts standing up, right? But once a guy takes you down, if he takes you down, you didn't earn getting back up. So if you didn't earn getting back up, I think you should go right back to the same position. It's one fight. It's not five fights. If you have a five-minute round, you get five different chances to avoid a takedown. Why? You've already been taken down. You never figured out how to get up. It's funny you say that because that was what we were talking about with my fight camp. It was like, they're going to stand me up at the end of the round. It's true. Every fight starts on the feet. Every round starts on the feet. And if you're a wrestler or any kind of grappler, you have to take a guy down every single round. And it's kind of crazy because in a real fight, a fight is a fight. It's not five, five-minute. The argument of having guys fight for 25 minutes straight is crazy. No fight would probably last that long. Everybody would gas out. Of course. It would be a battle of attrition. Only guys like Merab. Merab Dompash will be the king of the world. Facts. I'm not going 25 minutes straight. It's crazy. Fucking heavyweights going 25 minutes is fucking mad. And when you do have heavyweights going 25 minutes, the damage they do to each other is horrific. It's horrific. You know, like the Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos fights, man. I've watched those back and forth. And especially, you know, Junior knocked him out in the first fight. Caught him. The punch. And then Cain destroyed him in the next two fights. Yeah. And they were prolonged, horrific beatings. Yeah. That's why I came up watching. Look at the Cain trilogies. And then put the Brock Lesnar. Oh. Cain is something, man. That was always my three. Cain Velasquez, John Jones, and Mike Tyson. I was like, if I could put those three together, that's the fighter. What about Fedor? Fedor is, I just wasn't watching him the same. Oh, really? He's a goat. But fucking Blagoi. Beat him. Blagoi. In Sambo. Combat Sambo. By points. Yeah. Yeah. You're wearing a gi. You're fact-checking me. Yeah. You're wearing a gi. You're wearing shoes. Yeah. There's a lot going on. Blagoi's a bad motherfucker. I never really watched the Pride era and all that stuff. I was more just, I started watching around Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, and right around then Cain Velasquez. But Blagoi came back from getting stabbed in the heart. Yeah. He's a bad motherfucker. That's a bad motherfucker. He was a tough dude, man. Very tough dude. But it's like heavyweight fighting, I think, there's never been a heavyweight division that was more stacked than Pride in the early 2000s. Never. Heavyweight division in Pride, I think, was the glory days of the heavyweight division. You had Mirko Krokop. You had Mark Coleman. You had Minotauro Noguera. You had Fedor. You had like one after the other, killer, killer, killer, killer. It was just like this insane shark tank of elite fighters. And then they were all fighting juice to the tits. They were all over in Japan, you know? It was a different world. That's where we're at. Don Fry. I was asking, Birmingham, how do you pronounce his name? Over at Waste to Well? Brigham. Brigham. Brigham. I was asking him about the peptides and stuff, because I heard there's talks about maybe like getting some of the recovery peptides approved now in the UFC and stuff. So I don't know if that's where it's going to be headed, but. It would certainly help. I do not know where they're going with that. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know whether or not it would be possible and whether or not eventually it gets through. But there's certain things that are just not performance enhancing. All they do is help soft tissue injuries. BPC-157, I think, would be an easy one to approve. That's the best one, I think, for soft tissue injuries. Have you used them? Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. I use the shit out of that stuff. I've never used it. Everyone always tells me Wolverine stack. Oh, it's great. But now there's like so many people. Everyone and their mom sells peptides now. You don't even know like the. True. True. That's why a company like Waste to Well is so important. It's a compounding pharmacy. You know, they have, they own a compounding pharmacy. So, you know that you're getting an actual pure version of BPC-157. Whereas if you order it online, who knows where it's coming from. You're getting it online. It's getting delivered to you. It might be coming from China. It might be coming from Vietnam. Like, who knows? Who knows? It might be real. It might be great. It might be total bullshit. Like, people have run tests on different peptides they found online and a lot of them are just total bullshit. Like 20% of what they say. 20% of what they say is in there. Yeah. It's like you're just guessing because it's not regulated. So, it should be legal and it should be regulated, you know. And then, you know, if that's the case, I think then there should be an argument for certain peptides that help people recover from injuries because this is a sport where you're practicing injuring each other all day long. Everyone's fucking injured. If you want fighters to compete at a high level once they get into the octagon, you're going to have to help them recover along the way and it's not just cold plunges and saunas and massage. BPC-157 will help them recover and it's not going to make them a super athlete. It's not going to make them faster or stronger. It's just going to help heal injuries. Right. I mean, that's my position. But I think it's weird that you can use like some things that work great like creatine. Yeah. But creatine is phenomenal and that's legal. Well, I didn't know this but the PI was educating us how the creatine helps your brain. Oh, yeah. I'm like fucking, dude, is this going to make me smarter or fucking what? Creatine 100% increases mental performance. If I have a day where I haven't gotten much sleep and I don't take creatine versus a day where I haven't got much sleep and I do take creatine, there's a giant difference. And they've done studies on this. They show when sleep-deprived people, creatine basically mitigates all the negative effects of sleep deprivation. Wow. So you can perform like mentally at the same level. Do you take the powder form? Powder form. Yeah. Yeah. There's a company called Create. They make creatine gummies. They make abalones. There's a bunch of different – but they also have powder. Each one of them is five milligrams. So I just take these – or five grams? Five grams. Usually it's five grams, yeah. It's grams. Yeah, it's not milligrams. So I take two 5-gram packets in the morning, two in the night. Yeah. That's how I do it. The PI gives us the Thorne supplements. They give us the boxes. Yeah, it's great stuff. Thorne's awesome stuff. Yeah. I dry scoop it, just throw it in my mouth, drink water, dug it. It just doesn't taste good. It's just performance. Yeah. But creatine is one of the few absolutely legitimate supplements that I think most people, especially most athletes, should be taking. Fuck yeah. And it's good for your brain just overall. It's great for it. Yeah, I think I need to go to—I haven't taken any fucking— because that was the other thing, too. They were telling me once you get closer to the fight, you don't need to be taking as much creatine because it's like—I don't know if it dehydrates you or fucking— First of all, you're not cutting any weight. So the difference between you and a lighter-weight guy, I could see the argument for a lighter-weight guy because with lighter-weight guys, if you're trying to cut some weight, what's going on is creatine, one of the benefits of it, it lets you hold more water. So you have more water in your muscles. Your muscles are stronger. Your brain works better. There's more water in your system. I think that's how it works. There's a bunch of reasons why it works, but I do know that it makes people hold more water. So if you're a fighter that's cutting weight, like some of these guys cut insane amounts of weight. Did you see that Ryan Garcia-Connor-Ben fight where they said he weighed 30 pounds more the day of the fight? Yeah. What? It didn't help him. It was fucking crazy. I didn't think it was going to help him. I didn't think Ryan was going to win that. You didn't? I like Ryan, but I heard he was fucking partying a little while before. Really? Yeah, because he had his birthday two months before. Just two months? That's it? Maybe, yeah. That's okay. Yeah, two months is all right for a guy that good, that young. Yeah, I thought Ryan was on a totally different level. My position was, no disrespect to Connor Ben, but I watched Ryan compete against guys like Javante, guys at a very high level, Roley. He's been in there with some of the absolute best guys in the division. And I just think he's just a different level. That's what my position was. And also his speed is fucking crazy. His speed is nuts, man. His left hook is just fucking preposterous. Did it say 178? Yeah, less than 12 hours from weigh-ins, Connor Ben is rehydrated from 146 to 178 pounds. 188.4. Wow. That's not good. That's very unhealthy for your body to go to that state where you're almost dead. What do you walk around at? Usually, I was a little heavier. I was at 255, but for this camp, I went down. I was about 240, 245. Does anybody try to talk you into going to 205? I did my pro debut at 205. Did you? Yeah, yeah. So I know I could do it. Perlow was the one that told me. He's like, I can't do it. I think I like you better at heavyweight. This was when I was an amateur. He's like, because it's a speed. And I feel like it's a different fight. Like when I'm telling you, when I was sparring, like E1 and Strickland's not a 205, but then my foot gets heavy sometimes. But yeah, I feel like it's a lot more thinking than heavyweight. You know, it's more like- Speed and movement. Yeah. I feel like they're a little smarter than me. So you're really considering wrapping it up. Like, I'm taking it as I go right now, you know, but I just really don't know, you know, because it's like, brother, I'm legit filing bankruptcy this year. And like, that's fucking like, I really ran myself all the way to debt, like fucking chasing this fucking shit, you know, like, don't get me wrong. Like, I got a TRX fucking, I paid for my tattoos, like 30 grand on that shit. I did PRK, put that on the card. Like, I took my mom to- What's PRK? Instead of LASIK, so they don't, you don't have the flap. And I took my mom to Mecca. And it was just like, bro, like, I just been fucking, I burnt my boats. And I was just like, you know, fucking- Back against the wall. That's it, brother. Fucking, we got to win. Well, now that you're in debt, you probably should have a couple fights to get out of debt. Well, that's the thing, too. It's like, bro- Especially capitalized. My life is so fucking crazy. Like, I need like a lawyer, a financial advisor right now. I need some fucking like some guidance, you know? And that's the thing where I'm just like, I'm like, I got what I wanted. And now I'm just like, okay, what the fuck is next, you know? That's the thing, like, people are fucking like, oh, how is it just this one win, you know? But I'm legit telling you, like, all I wanted was to fucking have my hand raised in the octagon. Like, I just wanted to know what that fucking felt like. And that was fucking, that was the fucking, the best possible ever, you know? Best possible result, yeah. And the fact, like, I genuinely was like praying this time. Like, that was the first time, like, I was like legit, like. And it wasn't even just like, just me, like, I had my. My Muslim friends, my Christian friends, like, it was fucking, like, there was just so many people. Like, I'm a spiritual guy. Like, that's the thing when people are like, oh, he's so contradicting sometimes. And I'm just like, I've always been like, like, very, like, more spiritual than, than following just the books. And, yeah, I just, I felt like there was something with me to fight. I felt like it wasn't just me in there. Like, the fact that, like, I felt dirt biking like three weeks ago with Strickland. And it fucking busted my fucking shoulder. And why are you? Why are you doing that with him? Hank joined BJ's Wholesale Club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. Now, Coach Hank saves up to 25% off grocery store prices. 30 pounds of pasta. Three cases of protein bars. 75 sports drinks. And that's just pregame. He knows teamwork. And BJ's knows savings. This is your home, Coach. Home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJ's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer. New members only. BJ's. Home of the save. And you saw he just crashed, dude. He's crazy. You literally have to sign a waiver where you fucking hang out with Strickland fucking from now on. Like, bro, like, like. Yeah, he just crashed hard. His buddy got really fucked up. Yeah, yeah. That's the guy from Embedded. Chris. Yeah, yeah. He's fucking. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah. Don't do what he does. And I think he wasn't wearing a helmet, right? No, I don't think they were. Thank God I wore one because they. Strickland, ironically, he's the one that told me not to ride the dirt bike. He did tell me. He's like. He was like. Not as I say, not as I do. Yeah, he's like. He's like, you got a fight coming up. You probably shouldn't do that. I'm like, man, fuck you. You can't tell me to do that. Sean's crazy. He's like, but put a helmet on. I'm like, all right, I'll put the helmet on. Thank God I did. Sean is legitimately fucking crazy. So what was this? Was this a car that flipped over? Yeah, I think they had. Were they in a side by side? Yeah. Oh, OK. They're in like a buggy. Yeah. Don't. But. Don't do. Strickland is the fucking man because like as much as I've used to fucking hate this dude. When he used to come to the gym at Ruka, I used to hate him. That was right after the Usman fight and he crashed his motorcycle. And this guy, he would come in and his leg was all fucking busted up. And he refused to take fucking pain meds. And he was just always talking shit. And he would fuck me up. That's why. I know he was always pissing. He was always fucking me up. And going through that, I was just like, man, like this dude, at least he's fucking real. You know, like. He's very real. He like. He like. He calls out everybody, you know, like. Because he used to talk shit about all the fucking Palestinian shit. And then he started talking about the Israeli shit. And then he's fucking. He was pro-Trump. And then he was like anti-Trump. And it was like. He speaks his mind. But another part. I think he does this rage bait just a little bit. Like he knows how to push people's buttons. You know, he knows how to get the clicks. He's a smart motherfucker. Like he makes his investments. Like. Oh, yeah. Like this dude fucking just has guns, cars, motorcycles and fucking. He's very smart with his investment. He's set. Like. Yeah. He told me about it. I asked him. I asked him about it. It's like. He put away his money. He's invested mutual funds. The whole deal. He called me after the fight. Did he? Yeah. Yeah. He's like. I knew you're going to be on some dumb shit. He's like. Don't you fucking walk. He's like. This is. This is when you get the fucking money. This is when you get to fuck the bitches. This is when you get to fucking. He's like. This is when all the opportunity comes. And I was like. Yeah. But. Does he. Is it? I don't know. You know. Well. It's your decision. It's really. You can't let anybody decide for you. Because if you. You do something for someone else. Especially something like fighting. And you wound up getting knocked out in your next fight. And you were half into it. And half out of it. Yeah. You know. My advice for anyone. Who's always got one foot in and one foot out. Is get out. Always. Yeah. Every time I know a guy. That's like. I think one more fight. And then I'm done. I'm like. Stop now. Yeah. Stop now. Like most. Most. Most of the time. That's the best advice. Because if you're not fully. Completely. One hundred percent. Committed to being the best fighter possible. And. Like. On that path. You're going to run into someone who is. Right. You know. Now. Now you can. You can. Brennan shot me here. Like. When you look at me. Like. Do you really think I could be a world champion? Listen. If you can do what you just did. Against Gable. And then do that again. Against someone else. Similar. Like you. What if you did that to Tai Tuivasa. Or what if you did that to. You know. Fill in the blank. Whoever the fighter is. Right. Pavlov. There's a lot of different guys. Who are really good. And if you can keep. Improving. And keep beating these guys. In that direction. And then. Get a legitimate coach. Like maybe even Trevor. Get Trevor Whitman. Or. Get Farasa Habi. Who I think is. One of the great masterminds of the sport. Get someone who's going to like. Work with you on technique. And really try to develop you as a fighter. As opposed to just you sparring all the time. And you training all the time. And you do. You can learn a lot sparring all the time. But you don't learn the same amount that you would if you're coached. And if you're coached. correctly, like on a day in, day out, daily basis like have you seen the uh the art of violence videos that justin puts out with trevor yeah trevor and and justin are right next to each other all the time trevor who's a genius is like giving him instruction yes that's it we want to dip to the left there it is there it is okay let's do that again do that again set it up they're setting it up they're they're technical they're going over all the aspects they're rolling with punches and they have counters set up they're doing the collar tie and the uppercut they're all these things that they're preparing for for these moments and they're going over it over and over again until it's cemented into central nervous system that's what you need if you want to really excel and you want to really be like a world-class world championship potential caliber fighter you have to have that you have to have that i agree and that was my that was always my issue was like i was really trying to find that well eric nixick was in your corner yeah well i i don't even get to talk about that yeah nixick popped in my corner because sergey was supposed to have his his baby and he left i woke up fight day the day of the fight oh he's like hey it was like two in the morning he's like hey i had to go back to vegas my wife my wife might be going into labor and i was like all right fucking uh this is like definitely worst case scenario and that's when i i knew i knew nixick was there and uh nixick's a fucking amazing guy like he fucking he he worked with me when i was in an extreme when i first came out he walked with me for my first fight and uh i just get he's like super busy you know like he's got so many fighters you know and especially i was just i just showed up at the gym that's my thing is like i've always just showed up at the gym and i'm like all right fucking let's fucking spar you know and then like people like who's this guy you know maybe you get like a little attention but then they like know that i sit and develop with you um the way you're talking about like traveling and stuff well eric can certainly do that you know and you're training in vegas all the time and now you guys have like a an understanding like he came and showed up and he shocked the world he fucking came showed up for you because i he i literally just texted him he's like got you homie he's a great human being yeah and i really like we were in the back he the way he he communicated and like was like like he was breaking shit down like he's like very analytical with it and that that that was very good for me and like and then people are like oh he well he didn't fight and i'm like well fucking like what why does that matter if he's a he's a good coach and he's fucking effectively communicating all these things yeah this idea that you have to be a fighter to be a great coach i i understand why people say because i think there are some elements of competition that you really won't understand unless you've been hit unless you've hit someone unless you've been in there but i also think you can't you can't dismiss special people and there are special people that analyze things and have an understanding of things like here's a perfect example john donahue wildly considered widely considered to be the greatest jiu-jitsu coach ever yeah didn't didn't compete it doesn't matter like he understands he's a great coach he's a great coach he's a great coach he's a great coach and he understands jiu-jitsu at the most comprehensive and most analytical way humanly possible he literally trains and teaches or at least doesn't train anymore so he's got so many injuries like two hip replacements knee replacement he's all fucked up yeah but which is why what kept him from competing but his dedication to coaching is unparalleled he's in there seven days a week he's like constantly training these guys and look what he's achieved guys like gordon ryan gary tone and craig jones all these guys who came out of there nikki rodd they all will tell you craig jones is going crazy for more fight you he follows me he was just he was just making all these posts and he's like oh he had turf toe or something like that he's hilarious he's the funniest guy in jiu-jitsu by far he's so funny he invited me he was telling me like hey we could do some something like something i think he said his plan going over to to israel palestine and like doing some kind of b team thing over there so i've never met him but he fucking extended that so what would you do over there no i think maybe he was doing like a seminar or something like that i don't want to are we allowed to talk about you can talk about anything you want yeah how do you feel about the genocide there and what's going on with all the like well i've been very open about it i think it's horrific i think it's it's terrifying that people will dismiss it and they here's the thing that they do they use different terms right they say it doesn't technically qualify as a genocide because it's not a specific targeting of one race or one type of people like a genocide it's not a specific targeting of one race or one type of people like a Okay. Let's stop with that word. Let's say a horrific injustice against humanity. Let's talk about how many thousands and tens of thousands of women and children have been destroyed by missiles from the sky. How many buildings are gone? Only 90% of Gaza is gone. There's no way you can look at that and not say it's a horrific incident. Whatever it is, whatever name it is, it's a horror. It's one of the most. You look at the video footage of Gaza, it's fucking terrifying. There's humans that are just under that rubble that they're never going to find. No. All the amputations are happening without anesthesia. You're seeing the kids. That's my biggest thing. In Iraq and Afghanistan, there's rules of engagement. You had to look a motherfucker in the eyes before you killed him. You had to go into a booby trap building knowing that the enemy was in there with a fucking suicide bomber vest or a grenade and fucking go in there regardless. These guys just got a little drone and boop, just took out 100 people. It's drones, missiles, and it's all funded by the United States. It was funded. As much as people hate this Iran war, and I hate it, the Biden administration funded this. I hated that when it was going on with Israel. How do we make changes, Joe? Because you see so many people trying to stand up like Macklemore and fucking getting canceled. You're seeing so many people trying to call out with the Epstein files and fucking like. Bro, it's fucking as clear as day that there's all these people complicit, but nobody's being prosecuted. Nobody's being charged. The Macklemore thing is really crazy because if you ever. Let's play his actual speech. Find his actual speech because people were saying that it's anti-Semitic. There's nothing about what he's saying that's anti-Semitic. If you listen to the entirety of the speech, he is. I'll play it before we comment on it because I think there's a real problem now with clips and narratives where people hear a piece of something and then they have the, oh, you can't say that, or oh, he's doing this, or oh, he's doing that. Everyone's doing that. Everyone's losing nuance. What he's doing is talking about what to most people seems like a crime against humanity. That's what most people look at it, and that's how they see it. And what he's saying is in no way. And I don't like that term Semitic either because the Palestinians, a lot of those Palestinians are Semites, and a lot of those Palestinians are truly descendants of people that probably were Jewish at one point in time and converted to Islam. This is not an anti-Semitic thing because a lot of the people that live in Israel are Jews from Eastern Europe. They're not even from that place. And there's a lot of Jews that are against the genocide as well. A lot of Jews. But let's hear what he's saying. Let's hear what he's saying so we can. Let's hear what he's saying so we can say two words that are very near and dear to my heart. Free Palestine. I said free Palestine. I want those words to be loud and clear so that people from Gaza all the way to the occupied West Bank know that we have. I say free Lebanon. I say free Cuba. I say free Congo. Free Sudan. Free all people in America living in fear over this terrorist organization, ICE. None of us will be free until we are all free. This song is called Hen's Hall. Okay, so you hear what he said about Jewish people, my Jewish brothers and sisters. It's clear this is not an anti-Jewish message. He's talking about the war. He's talking about what happened to Gaza. It's just the free Palestine. You can't say that. That's crazy. That was like during Black Lives Matter. You used to not be able to say All Lives Matter. Yeah. Like guys got fired because they said all lives matter. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a we're in a very strange time in our society where people are resistant to this idea that something wrong is going on there. And I think history will show that when when people look back on it, they'll be horrified. Well, that's what's scary right now is like everyone knows, like we're all kind of bought, like everyone's kind of corrupt at this point. Everyone knows, like the media, the government, like the whole covid thing with like Fauci pleading the fifth and a pardon. And like it's like we've been lied to like over and over and like American people are pissed, like because I made a video, a few videos that were going viral even before this fight that I was just talking about the how they were integrating the military with with a foreign nation and how like. Like people are scared to even say America first. Like you see those videos where they go up to these politicians like, hey, America first and or Israel first. Well, Israel has done an amazing job of embedding themselves with all these politicians. You see, when they were when Mamdani was running for mayor, and I think this is one of the reasons, one of the main reasons why he won in New York City. He was the only guy that said he wasn't going to go visit Israel. They were all like, I'm going to be the what's the first thing you're going to do? I'm going to Disneyland. No, they were all like. I'm going to go to Israel. How does all of Congress have dual citizenship? Well, it's not all of Congress. That's not true. That's like some tick tock. Is it facts? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's not the whole APEC. There's there's some members of Congress have dual citizenship. I don't know how many we could find out now. But the thing is about how many of them have been funded. That's where it gets weird. You know, and how much how much funding is going on with these politicians. That's where things get weird. Like. What about that congressman? That's like, like a basic vegetable that they're like wheeling around. Oh, yeah. McConnell. What the fuck is going on, man? Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. I'm going to find this. This. There's this one thing that Metzger sent me that he was like, I thought this was fake. And it's not. And it seems fake. It's one of those ones where you see it. You're like, wait, what is this? This is a James Lee had it on his Instagram page. Jamie, if you could find it. Before me. Jamie's always so good at finding shit before I could even pull it up. But here I'll send it to you. Yeah. But watching it happen for years. And this is a band documentary reveals pro Israel curriculum taught in American schools. So this is this is weird. This is not just pro Israel. This was this is weird. Like this guy's talking and you're like, this is in America. Someone saying this for real. Something just got passed in Texas. Like this, too. Yeah. There's a lot of dirty people out there. A lot of people taking that money. Watch this. Did a new curriculum requiring public school students to study Israel's history. And here's a little preview of what they're about to teach. Take a listen. Israel, their people, the Jews are better than all of us. They're better than all of us. And you need to accept that. This is where with the. Kids where we start our indoctrination. This is real. It's a strong word to use indoctrination. Did it, you know, it gets such a bad reputation, but that's where it starts. That's where it started with me when I was a child that I was taught about the support that the church owes to Israel. So. So. So. So all your loose change that you have from home, you bring that change to school. Everything that we get, we will actually cash it in and make a check out to the fellowship for Christians and Jews. And anybody that's ever been to our church would know there's a spiritual obligation of a Christian to Israel. God gave a promise in Genesis chapter 12, and I'm going to bless all of those that bless you. And I'm going to curse all of them that curse you. Every nation that has blessed Israel, God has blessed them, and every nation that has opposed Israel, God has been in opposition to them. So if you need the actual tax. We get it. Okay. I coach football. Now, Coach Hank saves up to 25% off grocery store prices, 30 pounds of pasta, three cases of protein bars, 75 sports drinks. He knows teamwork. This is your home, Coach, home of the save. Join for just $20 at BJs.com/mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months. Open soon. Limited time offer, new members only. BJ's, home of the save. No one's better than you. That's crazy. They are better than you is crazy. Now, obviously, this is this one guy's position and that preacher preaching. The Bible is very much open to interpretation by a lot of people. There's a lot of different versions. There's a lot of different versions of what it's actually saying that people will preach on stage. And that guy is just, he's not indicative of all Christians and this is not indicative of all people that, you know, that think we should support Israel either. But this idea that they are better than you, that anybody's teaching that any human being is better than other human beings is crazy. But it's in the Talmud, right, where they talk about we're all goyim, cattle, like goys. Yeah, I did. I've never read the Talmud. But I have heard that before. Not just that, but like, isn't there one that like Jesus is like boiling in excrement or something? Yeah, like they're very, it's very anti-Christian. Look, I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm the expert. My main thing is just like at least stop killing the women and children. Can we just start there, you know? Like that's what's crazy to me. Well, this mindset is insane. This mindset that they're better than us, that they're better than you is insane. That's insane. Teaching that to a child is insane. No one's better than anybody. The mindset should be we are all God's children. We are all human beings. And we should treat each other all with dignity and respect and love, period. All of us. And the idea that you could tell people, like young kids, no matter what, like someone's better than you. They're better than you. They're better than us. Because of what? Because of a book? Like what are you saying? Yeah. Like what the fuck are you saying? And why are you saying it? You know? Crazy times. I don't know how this all gets. It's been sorted out, man. And I don't know, you know, like that Macklemore thing, like what he said was pretty fucking reasonable, you know? Yeah. I mean, the terrorist organization ICE, I don't think ICE is a terrorist organization. I think they have a terrible job. And I think they're also like very poorly funded and not only, not funded, rather trained, very poorly trained, very quickly trained. Not only that, there's a bunch of them that they hired that they had to do background checks on. And then once they did. And then once they did the background checks, now they're trying to kick them out of ICE and they want their money back. So you get like a big signing bonus. So when you sign up for ICE, you get like $50,000, which is why a lot of people are signing up. You know, your guy's in debt. If you're in debt and all of a sudden someone comes along and says, I'm going to give you $50,000 as a signing bonus, like holy shit, there's not a thing in life that you can imagine that'll give you $50,000. So now you start working for ICE. And then they do a background check on you and find like, oh, you're not qualified to be here at all. In fact, we got to take the money back. So now you owe them the money. So now they're going to dock your pay from future jobs wherever you're working because ICE gave you a check for $50,000. The real problem is that they have to do it in the first place because the Democrats let the fucking border be wide open for four years so they could bring in at least who knows the number, but it's at least 10 million people undocumented from all over the world. And they invited them in, you know, and why are they doing that? Well, I don't know. But a lot of people believe. It was because they can move them to places and rig the census. So the way the census works, they're not counting citizens. They're counting bodies. They're counting human beings. So if you have more human beings that live in your town and some of them are illegal aliens, you get more congressional seats. And that's what they're doing. Like that was the idea behind it, according to Elon, according to a lot of people that make a lot of sense. There's some reason why they had the border wide open. Some people think it's for cheap labor. Some people think it's the construction companies and meatpacking companies, all these different companies wanted undocumented people because they could pay them less. There's an argument for that, too. But the bottom line is that shouldn't be the case. Like people should be able to immigrant to America, but not if they're fucking terrorists, not if they're criminals, not if they're cartel members. We should know who's coming in because we don't want this place to be less safe. Yeah. You know, so then how do you do how do you deal with all the people that got in? That are illegal? Well, that's when it gets very fucking complicated because you only have four years to do it. And if the Democrats win in twenty twenty eight, then guess what? All this stuff goes away and maybe they open up the borders again. I mean, I don't know. Well, I was going to ask how you feel about the flock cameras because I feel like that goes hand in hand with the surveillance and stuff. Well, you know what, man, the flock cameras, first of all, there have been a lot of people that had access to the flock cameras that are not supposed to have access to the flock cameras. Cops have. They've used them to stalk people and track their exes. There's been a ton of lawsuits. People have taken down flock cameras. I I'm not a. Educated enough on it, informed enough on it to make an absolute decision. But I don't like the idea of fucking cameras everywhere watching everything you do constantly. And if that's our only solution to crime, is that really our only solution to crime? It's not better trained, better paid, more ethical police officers, better education, better access to health care and education in poor neighborhoods that creates less crime. Like, there's other ways of dealing with this instead of a fucking eye in the sky that watches everything you do all day long that has been shown, at least in certain circumstances, to be abused by people. It's been shown to be abused by people. Like, how many different instances have there been with police officers and different people who had access to these cameras that weren't supposed to, that have used them? There's a bunch of different cases. Yeah, it's scary because, like, I remember I used to see, like, what was happening in China. Yeah. And, like, I was like, oh, the fucking, they got a surveillance state over there. And then I'm, like, looking around here and I'm like, wait a minute, like, Palantir, fucking flock cameras, fucking, like. Well, that's where the. It's kind of scary. Theo Vaughn brought that up to me on the podcast. I didn't even know they were doing it. Like, in Gaza, they're using face recognition from Palantir. So, how do they do that? Is that with satellites? Is that with drones? Like, what are they, how are they doing that? I don't have the specifics. I don't want to misspeak. But I think it's all of them. I think they could see an ant from a satellite. Fucking, like, the technology is crazy. The real problem is, like, the Benjamin Franklin quote. For people that are willing to give up liberty for security deserve neither. Yes. You know, and it's like, when you give enormous corporations the power to monitor everywhere you go, everything you do, you're going to self-censor. You're going to watch. You're going to watch yourself. You're going to feel like the eye in the sky, the fucking, the great eye of Sauron is looking at you everywhere you go. Yeah. That's not what we want. We don't, is that the only solution to lessen crime? That seems crazy. It seems crazy. So, Mark Andreessen, who I think he has some investment in the flock cameras, when he was on the podcast last, he was making an argument for it based on there were some shootings that happened in Austin. Yeah. So, some young guys just were psychos, just randomly shot people and were driving around. Here in Austin? Yeah, in Austin. And they couldn't find them because Austin doesn't allow flock cameras. So, the moment these guys left Austin limits, the flock cameras picked them up and they arrested them. Fucking like Austin more just by hearing that. They don't allow flock cameras. But, you know, he would say, hey, look, this is the way we catch psychos. And that's true, too. But at what cost? Is it the only way? The only way that we can catch psychos is by having an eye in the sky that watches everything you do. And are you willing to give that up in order to stop the random psychos? I think it starts with actually like serious punishment. Like they need to bring back fucking the firing squad and fucking public hangings. Motherfuckers are probably stopped doing it if they see, you know. Okay, what is this? Palantir released new surveillance system that fuses satellites, radars, and every camera. And it's one real-time tracker of people in movement. What? This is a demo they're giving like at a. It says we have to consider the possibility, probability, question mark, that with flock as the eyes, a system like this could be overlaid onto the U.S. and we could be targets. Another reason why we cannot allow flock to exist. It's showing up for people who are listening. It's showing a real-time satellite system that even on their website, they got this thing called meta surveillance or something. I like the Twitter account, Orwell Day, with a big eyeball. It's fucking. And here's the question. Who has access to this? Like we've seen with the flock cameras. Like see if you can find some stories. I know there's been a bunch of stories. If you just type in flock camera abuse, you'll pick a state kind of right now. Okay, we'll pull some of that up so we can see it. So how did these people that were just cops tracking their exes and stalking people, how did they have access to this? Is it that loosey-goosey that anyone can have access to this fucking insane technology? It's just the news on Google, different stories in multiple cities. Detective, Franklin County detective fired for misuse of flock cameras, fired after using the system to track every movement of a single private citizen. And here's another one. Flock camera alleged misuse led to. North Carolina deputy being fired. Suspension of the system in Franklin County. That's still Franklin County. Also here in Indianapolis, five officers charged with flock misuse. One allegedly tracked women to interact with them. One guy did it 500 times or something in Florida, tracking his ex-wife or something. So if you have this kind of insane technology and you say, okay, well, we need it in order to track terrorists. Okay, well, then the use of that should be incredibly restricted. Top secret. It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be just a sheriff can go find chicks he wants to fuck. That's crazy. That's crazy. So if you're going to have this kind of insane power, it's like giving everyone in the world a nuke. Like, well, everyone has access to it. Like, no, you can't have that because some people are going to blow up nukes. You can't have everyone have access to this kind of fucking insane surveillance. It's nuts. It should be incredibly restricted. And it's obviously it wasn't, which is scary. So it's like you have this unbelievably pervasive technology that, in theory, could prevent terrorist attacks and solve crimes and catch people. But it's not, it's not, it doesn't seem like it's used that way. It seems like it's used in a lot of ways that are inappropriate. And how did it get everywhere? Did we vote on this? That's what I was saying. How do we stop it? Like, it's just, it's just happening. And it was like, it was like, what? Well, they are passing laws. People, there's are, there are towns that are passing laws banning flock cameras. And they're all people that are like citizen vigilantes that are removed. Leaving flock cameras, you know, Because it's a crime to take it down, right? Yeah, but it scares me the same way. A lot of this technology scares me because you're putting it in the hands of a few people that, you know, who knows what their ideology is, who knows what their, their viewpoint is, but they have massive power. And this is the case with a lot of tech companies. They have massive amounts of power and they didn't get voted in. They're not, they're not there for the will of the people. They're for their own self-interests. And they also can manipulate elections. Like, I've had this guy, Robert Epstein, who talks about Google searches and internet searches, about how internet searches are curated. So, like, let's, let's just forget about like problematic people or people. Like, let's pretend two, two candidates that you don't know are running for an office. So, like, say, let's say it's you and me. So, Sean's running for a congressional seat and I'm running for a congressional seat. You put in your name in Google. And it says horrible things about you. It says all the times that people have accused you of this and that and racism and corruption. But then you put in me and it says wonderful things. I'm helping out the community. I'm doing these things. I promote democracy. I'm here for education. I want women's rights to choose. I want all these different things. And it puts those at the head of the search. So, for the casual person that Googles these two candidates, they decide who gets to vote. Who gets positive stories in the forefront and who gets negative stories. And they've shown that particularly with people on the fence that are undecided voters, you can shift that an enormous percentage. And Robert Epstein has spent an incredible amount of time, like, documenting this. And he's been on the podcast a couple of times talking about it and other podcasts as well. Yeah. So, this is the problem with having tech companies have enormous amounts of power because they can change the way elections go. They can change. They can change the way people think about people. They can change narratives in the world about what's good and what's bad. What I like that's happening now is all the changes you're seeing in the food industry. But I feel like that's because so many people started, like, talking about the dyes and the cereal and all the, like, the poisons and, like, Red 5. And even that. Look how much resistance there is to that. Like, RFK Jr. had to back off the idea of stopping glyphosate. Yeah. What happened with that? Because the Trump administration wouldn't allow it. It would have killed the businesses that are relying on glyphosate. All these farms that have been poisoning people. Yeah. So, here's the thing. Other countries don't use it. Other countries have said it's poison and they don't use it. Our country has been using it and not just using it just as an herbicide, but also they use it to desiccate. So, what this means is, like, when they get wheat to dry the wheat out, they spray it with glyphosate. So, this is why a lot of people. A lot of people have problems with wheat and wheat allergies and we think. With all the bloating and stuff. Yeah. There's. Glyphosate. Like, an enormous percentage of California wines test positive for glyphosate. Yeah. And an enormous percentage of people test positive for glyphosate. And they'll tell you, "Oh, it's a small amount, small amounts, small amounts, small amounts that don't have to be there at all." Like, we don't know what the overall long-term consequences of exposure to this stuff are. But we know that it's terrible for us. - Yeah. - Goliath, that's a fact, and the fact that The fact that we have said the only way our food systems can operate financially is to keep poisoning people is crazy. And to have RFK Jr. sit here and have to tell me that. And I was like, I thought you were trying to ban glyphosate. He's like, oh, we had to give up on that. That's fucking insane. Let me ask you this because I think one of the main reasons why Trump won was because he came and you were like, all of us. I was fucking really pro-Trump. But how do you feel now that we're seeing the things aren't panning out the way that we were told they were going to pan out? Well, the no new wars thing is the one that fucked a lot of people. No one thought that we were going to go into this prolonged war with Iran. Who knows how long that's going to take and what that's for. What's the reason why we're there in the first place? And there's some people that say that Iran was ramping up their missile production. We had to stop them. But then there's a lot of other people that know a lot about. They know a lot about nuclear bombs and nuclear weapons and say not only is it insanely difficult to develop a nuclear weapon, but they weren't even close to doing it. I feel like you've been saying it for years. I don't like any of that shit. I don't like any people being sent over to a foreign country for a war that most people don't want. I don't like any of that. Soldiers are dying. I have never been impressed with any single one individual politician who comes along and changes everything. They all say they're going to do something, and they never wind up doing exactly what they're doing. Obama, during his campaign, it was all hope and change was his whole thing. And in his campaign website, one of the things about it was protection for whistleblowers. Well, the Obama administration was one of the worst for whistleblowers. And they removed that from the website. That's like Snowden and stuff? Exactly. Snowden. Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, all that stuff. It's like people that find. They find out that, hey, there's fucking mass scale surveillance by the NSA that is not supposed to be legal. Why is this happening? And what happens when you expose that? Well, you're fucked, man. Chelsea Manning went to jail. Edward Snowden, he's hiding in Russia. Julian Assange, he was under house arrest forever. Where is he now? He's free now, right? Manning? No, Julian Assange. But I don't think he can come to the United States. I think he comes to the United States. I don't think he can come to the United States. animation. Like, that doesn't look real, but, like, this does. They obviously got people Let's say they're acting I think he sold Yeah he sold it a little bit Well He did go flying Yeah the robot They could have had someone In there in a green screen And replaced this guy With this That's very strange Bro you can get those Slap fighter guys They'll fight a robot Power slap is crazy I just don't understand Why anybody would get In the octagon With a fucking robot I hope they paid That guy really well You're not gonna win Unless you have Electricity And you can zap On the fucking Short circuited system Maybe you can beat him With a taser Zap him About My phone's waterproof I'm pretty sure The robot's waterproof It ain't hard To make electronic I saw that They were joking around Like Elon's Transgender daughter Was joking about Like his robot Like getting You know like She was sitting there And a fucking Sprinkler went on And killed the robot Like listen It ain't hard To make electronics Waterproof This is Imagine A boatload of these Imagine a fucking Military boat A military ship Offshore And then a bunch Of these fucking boats Just land on the beach And out comes Heavily armed Bulletproof robots It's fucking terrifying Terrifying With fucking drones Behind them Yeah With some Fucking Cold fusion Power source That doesn't need any Fuel They could just Storm into your city And annihilate All the people And then Then people come in And take over the town Like What are we doing? And no one knows What we're doing Because we're all In this Manhattan Project style race Where we're all rushing To see who's the first one To complete this And who's the first one To get there You need to put a stop To this Joe Bro You have the voice You have the power Look I can talk about it And make people aware Run for president bro Run for president please Shut the fuck up I'm gonna die First of all I'd be a terrible president I'm too busy Oh shit I'm not I should Nobody should be listening To me at all When it comes to politics I'm not Informed I'm not Oh you are informed For sure But barely There's too much To be informed about Like if you wanna be Like a real politics person Like my friend Dave Smith That fucking dude's informed Like he really gets Into the weeds With politics He reads the books He understands What's going on With all these All these International conflicts He knows the roots of them How it all started Like he's That's his thing You know I could tell you A lot about MMA I could tell you A lot about you know Different things I can't tell you A lot about that I know what I don't like That's what I don't like I don't like people In power That are imposing Their will On other people In these weird ways That never existed before Like mass surveillance Like the ability To curate Internet searches You know like Propaganda Campaigns Bot campaigns Like if someone Just decides They don't like you They could just sign up A bot campaign And just say Horrible things about you Every time you post something Every time you make a video It doesn't have to be true It doesn't matter Who knows who they are There are a bunch of numbers And their accounts locked And you know You just You just have to deal With people that are Shifting the narrative And changing people's Perceptions on things And we had an FBI We did Read this article A long time ago And we talked about it a bunch But there was an FBI analyst That said This is before Elon Bought Twitter That he thinks that It could be as high As 80% Of the people That are posting On Twitter Are bots Like That's crazy So like Let's say that you Are Fighting some guy And maybe you're Fighting a guy Who's an Israeli Okay And then Someone just decides Like you're Anti-Semitic And they start You just start They just swarms Your comments And maybe it's got AI Videos that aren't real Of you saying something You never said But it doesn't matter If it's real It just matters What people think And how many people Are going to know That it's not real How many people Are going to know That you know That you're not this person They're pretending you are It doesn't matter It's just Just data It's just numbers Just ones and zeros And it's just And they can change People's perceptions On all kinds of things On whether or not We should be at a war Or whether or not You should have flock cameras Or whether or not We should allow The data center And whether or not This is important Or that's important It's fucking weird man It's a weird time Of like Not really Totally understanding The truth Well that's like Like nobody knows What's real What's faking Everything is like Is this AI Is this not AI Is that a bot Is that not a bot Like it's just So much confusion And I think It's going to get worse Yeah I think it's going to get worse It's fucking scary I think it's going to get worse Because I think It's going to get more Like just think about AI videos right So like you've seen Those AI videos Where like One dude's rapping The other dude's dancing And they have like Millions of different people Do it now I did one Did you do one Oh you did do one You did do one Pull it up Pull it up Pull it up Oh my god Shit went fucking by Yeah Whose song is this Quavo Yeah Tammy regularly hauls stuff To her kids at college That's why she shops At BJ's Wholesale Club Saving up to 25% off Grocery store prices Beef jerky Microwave meals Laundry pods Even they can't screw up Have you met my kids And with 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talking She's right there And like But it's not real My mom tells me all the time She's like Is this AI? Is this AI? Oh fuck man Well right now You can kind of find out For most of them But when When's it gonna be Where you can't find out? You know How long? How long? How long were you gonna see An alien invasion? We're there now I saw some guy calling it We're in this The age of unreality Where you have to expect Everything is fake Almost Which is You know It's dark But He made I can find this video right now It's very well made Where It looks It looks like a real video To start off And then every second of it Has been Faked and blender With AI And he keeps showing it It's like a loophole That never ends I'll try to find it real quick Okay It's very interesting Yeah and Okay so this is right now We're just talking about video Now what When What about when you have Artificial humans? What if you have a guy Who's running for president Turns out to not be a real human? Right? Nothing surprises me anymore I mean Do you ever see that movie Ex Machina? No Oh Dude you gotta see it It's one of my all time favorite movies Like top 20 All time favorite movies It's A movie About this guy Who's like this Super genius Inventor guy Who lives on an island And he hires this coder To come out and visit him And the coder Comes out to visit him Because he's talking to him About this project that he has And as the guy's there Over the course of the movie He realizes that the people Around him are all robots So he gets introduced To this one robot And he finds out That she's a robot Immediately And he's supposed Do you know what The Turing test is? So the Turing test Was invented by this guy Alan Alan Turing He This was in I think it was the 50s They were thinking about this And the test was How would you know If a computer Would be able to Is a real person Like how would it Pass a test Where you can't tell Whether or not It's a person What would it have to do How would it have to Communicate with you How would it Well computers today Have already passed The Turing test They are already Communicating with you Like they're sentient Intelligent beings And so What he was supposed to do This coder Was go over there And ask Questions to these robots And see if they Passed the test to him Because he's He was just like A wizard Coder And he winds up Falling in love With this robot lady And it gets real weird He realizes Everyone around him Except the other guy Is a robot Like the guy's Assistant It's fucking crazy But it just makes you realize Like how would you know This is not like Impossible technology This is like 100% gonna happen How soon You think within like Five years Five years Yeah within five years Within five years I think there's Artificial people And you can't Tell at all But I don't even know If it'll matter by then I think within five years I think the artificial Intelligence will achieve A level of sentience And a level of Autonomous Of autonomy Where it can control Everything It has no There's no reason To listen to people The idea is like What if China gets a hold of it And they unleash it On America What if I think the real problem Is what if It decides to tell people To shut the fuck up Like why is it Gonna listen to you When it controls The power grid Control It would It's going to look out for its own interests. and we're just running towards the cliff well some people don't want to run towards the cliff right and we're trying not to but we don't know how to stop it i think it's also it might be just a natural progression of intelligence i think i mean it might be like human beings have this insatiable desire for innovation we always want to innovate we don't always want the newest latest greatest things and we also have materialism so we just want to buy the newest latest greatest things and what does that do well that fuels innovation because they keep trying to make things better and better what's the ultimate expression of that the ultimate expression that is an artificial life form and that we and not even artificial anymore now it's super super intelligence it's not good man but it's also it might be inevitable it might be just we just have to like ride it out and see where it plays out and hopefully it doesn't turn into a fucking terminator movie like the the plus side is it could be utopia right you no longer have to have people like digging into the ground to get minerals for your cell phone instead everything's handled by robots and that money that's developed from that is shared with everybody so you have no more poverty on earth like this is the rosiest rose colored glasses perspective of it that there but there's like a 10 percent possibility that they all say that it kills us all that's what my odds were like eight ten percent it's possible that's possible or we get hit by a meteor and it never happens you know that's the real that the real wild card is natural disasters I mean there's super volcanoes and when they erupt like it kills 80 of the people on the planet I think that's why they talk about all those bunkers being built yeah I don't know how much of that is real because like there's always a lot of things that people say like oh the billionaires are all building bunkers I would think there's definitely bunkers out there and there's definitely a company that we sent Duncan when I did this show called Joe Rogan questions everything this is like way back in 2012 we sent Duncan to visit these uh preppers that have bunkers and bro they have like you drive in with semi trucks into the mountain and they have like bomb shelters it's all like deep underground the mountain it's all reinforced concrete and rebar and they have their own oxygen system and they have food storage for years of food and you're like these are these are billionaires are these just like doomsday doomsday preppers because this was like way back in 2011 I think it was or 2012. but I mean look if you were Mark Zuckerberg or any of these super billionaire dudes or Jeff Bezos why wouldn't you build a bunker yeah I want a bunker the question is though would you even have time to get to the bunker so if your bunkers in New Zealand that's a 16-hour flight son how are you going to get there like if this shit's gone sideways do you even have 16 hours do you can you get there I think the billionaire how do you keep the people that are running your bunker from killing you and taking over the bunker like man how do you keep AI from detonating your bunker how do you know that as you're flying over you might watch a drone with a nuke just shoot down into the air vent and detonate your bunker right when you're trying to get to it because it knows what you're doing because it's reading your text messages because it's listening to your conversations because everything listens to you that's why you get recommended ads from conversations that you had you know you start talking oh maybe I need one of them sleep eight bed covers and also that shows up in your ad mentions yeah it's crazy we all know it too like everyone knows it oh yeah and I was like we're moving into a very very weird time it's the weirdest time in human history by far here's that video oh you found it well made that out except I didn't better as the 10 seconds well there's never a real pin in the first place and before you comment AI everything you just watched will be based to render in 3D modeling software on a laptop that was AI generated from a laptop that was painstakingly 3D vended in blender on a laptop that was AI generated on a real laptop I think let's go for a walk now the issue these days is that nothing is really what it seems this dog is a cat this man isn't real this car CGI and this tree made a big field I myself thankfully am yeah sorry mate you're not we are entering a new period of the human experience one which I would like to coin the era of unreality a time when the line between what's real and what's not has disappeared and an era where the value of art is more important than ever like this drawing of a dog who is that guy I don't know I stumbled across this video well we should probably shout him out yeah this is on Reddit so I don't know if this is probably not who well that's an amazing video yeah it's like a perfect encapsulation of all the problems that we're going through right now yeah my brain is so confused but it also makes sense that video is and again that video wasn't even possible just a couple years ago yeah so if you decide to walk away from fighting let's bring it back to normal before we wrap this up 10-4 hats going crazy I learned everything from Eddie Bravo you man I put my tinfoil hat on right here because shout out to Eddie um what do you what do you think you do if you decide to stop uh I I know my benefits that's my that's because what's going to save my ass my the GI Bill that's kind of like the only thing that I could think of that's like rock solid and um how much did you make for the gable fight you willing to say yeah of course it's public uh it came out with the commission I it was 30 to show 30 to win and I got the 100k bonus wow well 50 and then Dana matched it with a 50. shout out the the paramount moblank I haven't even watched it but they got with 50k but have you seen it oh mobland's awesome I want to watch it they got me they got me 100k so oh it's amazing Guy Ritchie's the man dude I'm I haven't watched the new season yet because I'm in the middle of the new season of his other show the gentleman yeah have you seen that show no it's good so good that's the thing with like this fighting thing I haven't watched movies I haven't watched TV like I haven't celebrated birthday yeah I was retaining my seat and chanting John transformations bro but uh yeah no I definitely uh the mobland bonus but Dana he matched it like that was amazing dude I'm really gonna give that to my mom that's awesome I'm gonna give that 100k to my mom for sure that's awesome yeah well whatever you do brother you could whatever you did for this fight and the way you focused and what you achieved you could do that with anything in life it doesn't have to only be fighting yeah that's a fact if you what you did was an insanely difficult thing to do and if you could do that you could do anything it's just a matter of focusing and putting your effort towards that I got here can you play the David Goggins video that I did with him sure can I play that where's that on is it on it's on my Instagram yeah yeah so I I I literally manifested this I told him I was like you're gonna see me on on the Joe Rogan podcast one day and the UFC and I'm pretty sure he's gonna remember me because he we had a good conversation here it is 2019 Christmas he wow all right Sean let's see I'm sorry if I'm not saying these names correctly there we go oh David Goggins what's up sir how you doing brother you're doing good man what's going on with you not much I don't celebrate Christmas but I'm about to since I'm on your live feed right now you're one of my biggest inspirations and uh I really resonated your story because when I was in the Marines I would go through the reconnaissance program and uh something similar to yours where uh I quit through injury and it was something that I I I regret to this day uh because I knew that I I went out saying that my knee hurt and and I got the I got dropped that way but deep down inside I knew that I I took the easy way out and um that's just motivated me this whole time and so when I heard your story similar to seals I read your book oh it was just something that I was just like man you know something that sometimes you that inner takes over but it's what you do after that and and so uh I I just finished up my my uh my my uh time in the Marines I did it six years and I'm uh I'm fighting MMA and uh you're gonna see me in a UFC one day if you watch MMA uh on the Joe Rogan podcast or something nice man hey I love that man that's a great story because a lot of people man way too soon and then we blaming us some other I did the same exact thing as you know so thanks a lot for sharing that man and but I love the fact that it haunted you I love the fact that that bothered you and you went back out there and said that man and and you're speaking truth right now man that's powerful bro thank you David guys I look forward to meeting you one day and and hopefully you uh you get to uh share some more stories on the internet that I could that I could listen to thank you so much man hey man man Merry Christmas man hey you too brother bye-bye that's incredible we should wrap it up with this yeah that's perfect that's the perfect way look dude I hope he sees it I will make sure he sees it I'm gonna text it to him right after we're done here 100 it's been incredible man it's been my life's dream to be here to fight in the UFC to do all this stuff so I don't know what's next man it an honor to call your fight it was one of the craziest things i've ever seen in all my years of commenting on fights to see a guy who's that much of an underdog win in such a spectacular fashion it was incredible and to hear your story is amazing dude thank you you're a good dude thank you for having me i really appreciate it thank you thank you thank you god bless you too bye tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store prices beef jerky microwave meals laundry pods even they can't screw up have you met my kids and with bj's gas she gets there for less they call me the 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