JRE MMA Show #182 - Protect Ya Neck

the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day so your boy tommy was awesome good he was really cool yeah i actually listened on the way out to that one he's really fun tommy lee's fun he's like a big kid man he is kid yeah like a 15 year old that just never you know had to grow up all the way up there's no because he got famous when he was 18 exactly so he really never had to grow up he just stayed tommy lee yeah i'm glad you finally got to uh have him on it was very cool so it was good it's weird that he's really in a bonsai trees oh big time crazy trims them up it's got like 100 year old where do you even find them at his uh you make them yourself his yard he'll he sets up like a whole like zen garden type of thing it's pretty wild but he's he's been into those and he likes to trim them up and uh you know it's pretty pretty wild he's just he's a positive energy nice guy like he's never never been in my you know uh what do you want to say interactions with him never he's never been a dick never never he's like i just he was cool to work for well i only worked i met him rather when you were working with him when you were his bodyguard and then uh this is the other time i met him so he's super cool nice good yeah i remember him in the car on his in the car his peckers is tall you are i remember him with his fucking huge dick with pamela anderson he's got a lot of advantages in this life doesn't he good lord good lord god damn person and one of the greatest drummers of all time that was like one of the first sex tapes oh yeah that was right yeah for sure celebrities actual celebrities didn't allow them to get famous afterwards well they were already famous that was why it was crazy both of them were super famous right but i mean allow they'd like to keep the catapult them into like a different stratosphere right well anytime one of them celebrities is dating another celebrity they it's like their fucking superpowers unite he was with heather locklear too right right yeah yeah yeah i mean he was a fun dude the the trees thing is wild though i didn't know that these people they have like hundred year old trees 200 year old tree 300 year old bonsai trees and they pass them down through generations they have like paperwork so you know like who's the guy who first started the tree and then they're like a tree and they've got these trees that are like several hundred years old and they're like this big and they're in like a pot and what are you supposed to be trimming it's all like an artistic thing they're trimming them in certain patterns and every time they try to grow you trim them down and they just like tighten up and it makes a weird form yeah it comes very strange they're pretty cool looking yeah actually i wonder if the tree likes it though she's like i'm trying to grow i'm 300 years old i'm 16 inches tall this is retarded i think for him though he's had such a crazy high-paced life that oh yeah to the yang you know what i mean that's how he relaxes i loved hearing it it sounded perfect i was like oh you found a great thing and you see he's a gearhead too like you so yeah he was talking about bonding on the cars first cars he bought he bought a an old corvette he got a fucking supercharger put on it yeah yeah he's a man he's a maniac he's definitely a maniac but he's a very nice i mean rock and roll man oh yeah the guy was the the drummer from motley crew i don't can't even i'm at 18 i can't even imagine what that must have been like must have been insane a lot of these guys they don't want to stop touring all these rock and roll stuff why would they want to i mean it's so fun but some of them i saw some clips who the fuck was david lee roth no i think it was the guy from acdc brian johnson i don't know if the singer great yeah it's bad it's pretty bad dude acdc also favorite one of my favorite all-time bands and brian johnson's struggling i mean with that screaming style he has well it's hard to keep that going keep that going like no acting or vocal coach would ever tell you you could sing like that i don't think so you just can't sing like that you can't fucking scream like that i wonder if they get like 60 year old groupies 100 keeping that flame lit since the 80s of course but do they have to keep that flame lit since the 80s they have like new groupies though of course of course you know there's no way they know like doesn't what's what the what is what is his name um jesus christ what rolling stones i forget what mick jagger yeah well i know mick jagger has a kid that's really young like mick jagger just had a kid like really recently wow yeah he's like in his 80s i was thinking of someone else though someone else is another oh there's a bunch of guys like that like al pacino just oh yeah that's true yeah true but a lot of older guys like that they wind up having kids like they're still obviously getting young chicks to fuck them it's kind of irresponsible though i mean it's crazy i mean but maybe he's crazy you hope he's gonna take care of the kid but maybe it's the young chick that wants the kids of course but it's still if you did it on purpose if you're the guy and you did it on purpose that's wild yeah i don't even want to be around yeah i'm just gonna have this kid at 80 it's more important than my jeans pass on think about that by the time you're 85 you're probably gone yeah yeah by the time you're 85 yeah you won't even see your kid go to school you'll be five years old and the kid you know the kid will be five years old and the dad dies maybe the maybe the wife wanted it well sure you leave something behind type of thing you know maybe it's better than not doing it maybe yeah but also if you're a fucking rational 80 year old like bro you barely have time to take care of yourself you can't even keep your own shit in your pants you're gonna break a hip and your toddler is going to be screaming and no one will hear it right and you're going to be alone with them at the park and you'll be lying there bleeding internally from a broken hip and the kid's gonna walk off five years old three-year-old wander off and you're 80 that's nuts oh yeah by the way longo you got a lot of time to do that you got a lot of time to do that you got a lot of time to do that i'm upset because he's he's like man i've been feeling good he's like i'm you know i'm at the gym every day and i go fucking i turn on rogan and he's he's bitching about being 58 i'm like what the fuck he's 68 oh so basically like he's like what the fuck he's complaining about being 58 ray's really 68 he looks great he's fucking looks real good oh he's got dark ass hair right i know right he don't have he don't have that can't be on his hair reagan hair he's looking he's looking he's looking good that's great and then he asked me about what the fuck i love ronald reagan had dark hair like deep into like the 70s come on my shit is all white if i grew my if i had hair and i grew it out it'd be all gray really yeah mostly it's like my face like my feel like it's my stubble it's like at least 60 gray yeah mine is all gray now yeah it's weird like something about a gray beard that's like you're just saying fuck it yeah that's why i just started trimming it down i was like yeah i don't like the way it looked yeah when i see myself in the mirror with a gray beard i'm like who the fuck are you yeah you're supposed to have a dark beard for sure i had a dark beard most of my life i'm looking at pictures and i'm like a couple years ago and it's dark now it's all gray like what the fuck happened they had a thing on a and e with me and george and they had a short a clip of me and you talking i still we both had hair yeah crazy it looked crazy it's weird you look you look you're just slowly slipping out of it you're just slowly slipping out of it you're just falling into the grave we're looking good though as long as we can yes compared to people that don't take care of themselves and also compared to people from the past oh that's what i'm saying you know don't watch light therapy think about like in the 80s what 40 year olds look like in the 80s right yeah they was and i think uh the like martial arts also helps like we just had a uh an event henzo's 30th anniversary for his academy and they invited all the ogs so we you know we were i've seen guys i hadn't seen in decades got a fifth degree but yeah i got a sixth degree look at that that's amazing and uh i mean we were talking like almost everybody looked good everybody everybody and there was 50 guys 60 guys there it's the thing is you you gotta maintain and if you don't maintain you're never getting it back yeah you don't you don't you can't like at 50 you can't take three years off like right it's the thing is you you gotta maintain and if you don't maintain you're never getting it back it's just too hard to get back and if you never worked out before and you're like 46 and you're starting now it's tough that's a hard road man you never worked out before like first of all go slow yeah yeah yeah break everything well that's the problem people want to jump right in and then you get hurt or get busted up a little bit and then it just defeats you know what i mean you're like fuck this which is the big reality not getting this episode of the joe rogan experience is presented by the farmer's dog it's real fresh food just for your dog and delivered to your door it's also clinically shown to support healthy aging my dogs use it and they love it new customers get 50 off your first box at thefarmersdog.com slash rogan plus you get free shipping the football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with draft kings the draft king sports app is now live in all 50 states so that means every fan is in on the excitement follow every drive touchdown and game changing moment across the country and we'll see you next time on the farmer's dog show across the biggest 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Or get the premium, Visible Plus Pro plan, and save $10 on your first month with promo code Rogan. Terms apply. See Visible.com for plan features and network management details. The big reality about age is how long it takes to heal something. My kids get hurt. They just fucking heal up like Wolverine. It's nuts. Like within a few days, oh, my shoulder's fine again. Like you just fucking did a backflip and landed on your shoulder. You all right? I would be fucked up for a year. They just heal quicker. They're alive. They're alive. I mean, it's the fucking truth. That's the truth, man. That's the number one thing that happens as you get older. If you're lifers like us, you just got to be smart about your training. 100%. Like, you know, I got young savages. I don't want, I don't fucking, I choose who I want to roll with. Like, you know what I mean? Sure, sure. You don't got to be that guy to fucking just slay everybody on the mat there. Because you're the sense of it. You're going to break. You'll break. You know, it's like you have a Corvette. You take it around the track. You can only do so many laps. Every car. Even Formula One cars that cost $100 million, whatever they're called, they break. You can only go so far, so fast, so long before you blow a rod. You got some shit goes sideways. Everybody I know has had surgery. Yeah. Everybody. Like, for me, like, when I'm in Philly with the crew, Brady and Piper and them, like, it's hard being in a room with these guys because they want to grab you and do moves on you. And I'm like, oh, chill out, man. Let's grab one of the younger guys. Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you is Brady. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And he gets on top of you and just starts squeezing you. A willow grip. Yeah, right. His, that fucking fight with Joaquin Buckley, I was like, holy shit, man. Yeah, he ragdolled. Yeah. Bro, it was, the level of domination was, like, shocking. I was like, okay, so this is his best form. Like, this is him at his best. At his best. Yeah. Is fucking terrible. He's a little inconsistent. Like, the Morales fight was tough. But when, and he said, it's like his head wasn't in it. But when his fucking head is in it and he's, like, dialed. For sure, man. He's, like, when he grabs you. Bro. Like, he'll squeeze you and you just start making, like, little noise, like. When he did a Leon and what he did to Joaquin, you're like, holy shit, man. What is that like? That was beautiful. Beautiful. As explosive an athlete as Joaquin is. The flow, like, everywhere they went, he was just following them one step ahead. It was like, no escape. Yeah, yeah. He don't want you out, man. And then, smush. Just smush. His back is so big, he just gets so much coverage over you when he's on top of you. And the balance. It's just every, it's just, like, so many steps ahead of them on the ground. The one time, it really looked like a cardio drill. Like, he was on top. Like, he was just, it looked like he was just getting his room. Like, placid face. Yeah. Super calm. I believe where they were, he wasn't allowed to do the 12 to 6 elbows. Oh, that's so crazy. That's where, right or wrong? Something like that. Yeah, yeah. So, at this point, I think Jersey's still like that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of places that are like that, man. It's so dumb. They're still using the old unified rules. It's so dumb. Like, that rule doesn't make any sense. It would be nice if they would just. I get it if it's, you know, soccer kicks. Okay, you want to have a debate? But if you can elbow this way and this way and this way, but you can't go this way, that's just retarded. And everybody else is doing it. So, why would you not do it? It doesn't make sense. And you have to remember what state you're in. That's the problem. So, like, when you're in the fight and you're on instinct and the guy's like this, but it's wide open for a 12-6 elbow, you're supposed to throw it. That's what it's for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the referee's ability to make a decision have consistency in the rule set. It's just another elbow. It doesn't make any sense. Like, this one elbow that's outlawed, that's crazy. I don't know why I have no idea. But you can knee the hell out of somebody in their face. You can run and jump and knee them in the face. Oh, God. And some of the craziest knockouts we've ever seen come from that. Like, we were just talking about Masvidal versus Askren the other day. Oh, man. Hey, he's supposed to be wrestling. He's supposed to be wrestling again. Oh, wow. Is that real? Is that a good idea? No. I saw him talking the other day. Yeah, that freaked me out when I heard that. When he was talking, he was coughing a lot. I'm like, listen, people who are athletes, they're afraid of wrestling because it's exhausting. They don't want to feel that burn in their lungs. You really want to push yourself like that? I worry about it. I just don't want him to get fucked up. Totally with you. I mean, he had double lung transplant surgery, like, how long ago? I don't know. I think a year ago. A year ago? Maybe two years ago. Maybe two years ago? Yeah, maybe two years ago. I'd be worried even just about infection. Yeah. I'd be worried about everything. And I would also be worried if you're doing that, I think you have to take immunosuppressant drugs in order to keep someone else's organs inside of you. So you're going to go out to a giant crowd of people. So my friend C.T. Fletcher, you know C.T. Fletcher? Yeah, yeah, yeah. C.T. had a heart transplant, and he has to take medication to keep this heart in his body, keep his body from rotting. And he has a bunch of complications from the medication, like, makes him swell, and he posts videos and pictures about it. Like, it's a serious thing. And he had to be real careful during COVID. Like, you have a heart transplant, and then you're on immunosuppressant drugs, and then all of a sudden, or a bad flu. Like, anything bad will fucking kill you, because your immune system is working in a weird way, because it's trying to keep someone else's heart inside of you. Yeah, your body's like, who's this fucking heart? This is not our heart. Get it out. Your body's like, this is a disease, which is wild, that your body knows. Yeah. Like, it recognizes that it's from another entity. This ain't yours. And we're just like, no, we can hack nature, shove it in there, and give you some drugs that make your body stay alive. I think it was Bilal Muhammad he was supposed to be. Yeah, it's Bilal Muhammad. Maybe he has, like, an agreement. Like, hey, listen, man. Didn't they used to train together? Right? They did used to train together. So they're friends. Maybe that's the deal. Dude, we were just reading about this last night. Two people have had pig hearts transplanted in their body. No way. Yeah. One guy stayed alive, I think, for 60 days, and one guy stayed alive for 40 days. Did they gain a lot of weight? Did they become fatties? They started fucking shoveling their face in the trash. So wait, you're telling me that pig hearts? Whose idea was it to put a pig heart in another human being? There's a bunch of doctors, because apparently pig's hearts, for some reason, are similar in function to a human heart. Say that about a sheep's vagina. Don't they? Don't they? They do. They do. I'm a farmer, but that's what I heard. That's what I heard, too. So a pig's heart. Yeah. That's fucking crazy, man. It's crazy. And so they did it on two people. Yeah. But either way, the whole thing of transplanting organs from other people is, like, super risky and dangerous. And once it's working, the human body is going to be like, "Oh, my God. I'm going to die." It's going to be like, "Oh, my God. I'm going to die." So the whole thing of transplanting organs from other people is, like, super risky and dangerous. And once it's working, the number of, like, we looked at heart transplants. I don't know what it is for lung, double lung transplants, but you look at mortality over a period of years. And so it's like 91% of the people survive the first year, and then it starts going down. So 9% of the people die after the heart transplant, but then it starts to go down. After, you know, that's for the first year. When it gets to five years, then you're done. You're in the '80s or the '90s and then the '80s, and it keeps dipping. It keeps dipping until, like, at 10 years, it's like half of them are dead. Jesus. Yeah. So you're buying some time. Yeah. Right. That's the heart, though. What about other organs? It's a good question. So what is it like for double lung transplant? I don't know, but I would imagine it's fragile. You want to put that in the fucking red? You want to push that? Were you breathing heavy? It felt like yesterday, he was making laps around the hospital floor. Well, he's a winner, right? And that's the problem. Like, sometimes when you're a winner, your will is so strong that you think you could force your body into unrealistic expectations. Shit. There's got to be some agreement or something. Yeah, there's- Like, I just, in my mind, too- I would hope so. Bilal's a good dude. He cheated. I mean, basically, you cheated death. Yes. Your family now, you have your family back, you understand you have a second chance, like, why would you put that at risk to do something- Maybe him and Bilal- That you have nothing to prove to him. You know? Yeah. That's kind of what I-. wrestling role. Yeah. That's kind of a friendly wrestling- I don't think that, though. He's an animal. Ben Askren's a fucking animal. I don't think that they have an agreement. agreement with each other. I think that somebody told Bilal, hey, listen, man, don't push this dude. Well, he said, like, I saw an interview where he said, like, his first question was, what are you talking about? Can he wrestle? You know what I mean? Has he even been cleared? So. I would not accept that if I was Bilal. I'd be like, it's not. The pros. And this is no disrespect to Askren. It's like, I think that guy's an animal. Like, I was one of the biggest promoters of trying to get Askren into the UFC when he was the champion of Bellator. And then when he went over to one. And the argument was like, he was boring. And I was like, no, he's not boring. It's crazy that he could do this to these guys. Yeah. He could take guys like Douglas Lima and just ragdoll him to the ground. And they can't do shit to him. Koroskov, remember he did it to him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wasn't boring at all. He was destroying guys. Yeah. Ragdolling these guys. They had zero chance in him not taking them down. It was zero chance. And it was beautiful. Right. It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying knee in somebody in the face. But it's still another way to win. But it was like a man and a child. Yes. It was crazy good. He was crazy good. And then we got him like a little late. Right. We got him when he already had hip problems. And he eventually had to get a hip replacement after he got out of the UFC. You know, he had already been 15 years in combat sports. And then all the years of wrestling. And like, but those days when he was running shit at Bellator, he was a motherfucker, dude. He was a motherfucker. Fight night. Is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender. Nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. 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His fight with Damian Maia was fucking awesome. Amazing fight. That's a great, no, it's the beautiful thing about that fight is they're both, it's almost like the closest thing to style versus style that we could have nowadays. Yeah. You know they're both so brilliant at the way they use their art. With him with his wrestling and him with his jiu-jitsu. And in that fight, you got to see some of that. With Ben, you got to see the takedowns. You got to see an Uma Plata reversal. An Leglock Ashi reversal. I mean, beautiful jiu-jitsu. Yeah. It was just such a, it was such a great fight. Dude, Damian Maia got fucked harder than anybody ever got fucked by a referee's decision. Kamaru Uzman. Yep. Ever. Right. Nobody got fucked harder than Damian Maia got fucked. That wasn't her wrestling? Was it her? Who was it? I don't know. And maybe we shouldn't even pull her name up. I can't do my boys like that, man. I gotta see them in a week. I want to think, I don't remember who it was, but I think it was a guy who doesn't do it in the UFC anymore. But he had him on his back, one hook in, over, under. He had gotten to a position where like, you are fucked. You're dry, and you got the best back specialist in the UFC. Yeah, for real. Damian Maia was the way he ran through Neil Magny, you're like holy shit, man. Yeah. His jiu-jitsu is so high level, and for you to get off, get him off, and Kamaru's one loss? Right, was to. Make a choke? Yeah. Alex Patera's brother. So it's like, how many years ago was that? Like, and now you're fighting Damian Maia, and he's got your back. You're in danger. Yeah. Like, you're in danger. And the referee separated him. So crazy. Never got to that spot again. Kamaru played it nice. He fought a great fight, won the fight, and you're like, damn, Damian had him. He had him in a, like, not 9 out of 10, but he had him in like a 6 out of 10 spot. Yeah. For him? Yeah. Like, half the time, he gets your back and you're dry, and you're not at his level of jiu-jitsu. You're in fucking trouble. You should never separate anybody from that position. I know you're a big proponent of not standing people up, but especially positions that it requires time to get to. 100%. 100%. The idea that a guy can defend it for a few seconds and the crowd boos, and that's enough for you to make them neutral again? Fuck you. I know. It's so hard to get to Kamaru Kamaru Ousmane to get to his back like that. And the tightness is what keeps that position. Any space he makes and Kamaru's gone. Name the amount of times in the history of Kamaru's entire all the years of competition where people got him in disadvantageous grappling positions. I can't think of any. There's very few. Very few. Leon took him down. Leon mounted him for a moment. Chimaev. Yeah. Yeah. Chimaev. But even Chimaev, he was winning the third round. Oh, well, he. So for. Damien Maia. I thought he almost won that fight. It came. Like, that was a fight where I bet he was. He won the last half. But here he is. Here he is. This is crazy. Oh, shit. Do I need heads up? Who is that? Does it matter? That sucks. So, back it up again so you can see how good the position was a little further. Yeah, look at that hook. Can you get it a little further back? Yeah, here. So, I want to see it like when he starts entangling. This is so bad for Kamaru. You have to understand how bad this is. Yeah, it is. This is bad. This is a. This is not just simply he's, like, behind you. And Maia had that. The progression. Like, it was. He was just about to beat that wizard. Yes. Bro, look how good this looks too. Maia is just a gorilla. His wrestling was underestimated too. Like, he was good. So, it was technical and everything. Very good wrestler. And his use of leverage and his positioning was always perfect. It just was so beautiful to watch. When you see a guy just super high level jiu-jitsu in the UFC, you're just like, oh my God, this is beautiful to watch. Yeah, I love how methodical he's working his way into this. Like, this is dangerous, man. Look at that. He stepped. Oh, my God. He was going to step in there. Look at this. That arm is the only thing. And he's just about to beat that arm. And not only that, from here he could just start beating him up with the right hand, which he'll probably start doing. So, if the referee really stands him up from this position, like, this is a crazy way to separate people. Look at that hook. This is bad, man. This is like, for Kamaru, this is super dangerous. He's still got half the round left. Hanging onto that whizzer for dear life is the only thing from keeping him from getting this guy on your neck. And that whizzer is like at 40% power now, because look how far back it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not much into that. Yeah, there's not much. It's hard. It's hard to generate power like that. With Kamaru, I mean, he's got full double underhooks. How do they break this up? How do you break this up? This is crazy to break up. Like, this is such a dangerous position. Like, oh, this is bad. I don't recognize the ref. I can't remember. I recognize. I'm not going to say his name. There's no need to. But this is a giant mistake. You're clear, Herb. Sometimes, sometimes in fights, man, these guys listen to the crowd. Oh, yeah. It's kind of hard not to, right? And they feel responsible. Yeah, they do. And in the organization, I'm sure they feel pressure, because the organization wants, like, fast action fights. Oh, man. But there's certain situations where you've got to just accept the fact that sometimes this sport is not the most exciting for moments. Because it's so exciting in other spots. Punching his ass. Oh, that's crazy right there. Right after he punched him in the ass. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. Oh, man. That's the worst fuck over that anybody's ever gotten in the UFC. I mean. I think that's the worst. Yeah, that was bad. There is the time that fucking Bustamante had to get two win-win and two submissions. That's right. That's a pretty big fuck. That's who Maia reminds me of. His striking wasn't as good as Murillo's, but the combination of wrestling and his jiu-jitsu, like, once he got a hold of you, he was probably going to put you out. Yeah, Murillo was so good. He's still coming around. He's got a fighter in the UFC now. Nice. Does he? That's awesome. I saw him when I first started jiu-jitsu at Carlson Gracie's place. Did you? Yeah, the very first year that I started jiu-jitsu, it was, like, him, Vitor was there, Sergio Cohen, Osperi. It was crazy. They had a ridiculous room back then. I just stumbled, I just lucked out and wound up watching these guys train when, like, Vitor was about to make his UFC debut. I was just starting out. I was like, this is amazing. You seen all them guys in there? Dude, they were all in there, man. You could just come in off the street and see the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world training. That's crazy. It was crazy. And it was all, they were all fighting in, um, there was the other guy, what's his name? Carlos, fuck. Bahato. Bahato, that's right. Carlos Bahato. He was there, too. There was a bunch of those Carlson Gracie team guys that we just got lucky that this was the place that was, yeah, man. Yeah. Built like a He-Man figure. Carlson had some savages, man. He really had a great team. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty. Laborio back then. Oh, that's where I got my black belt from. Laborio? Yeah. Hell yeah, that's another guy to be proud of. He is a good guy. Such a nice guy. Yeah, it's like, it's kind of amazing when you realize that before 1993, Jiu-Jitsu had no schools, right? and now they're everywhere every corner that is like really insane that's truly insane the Gracie family the world owes them there's no doubt about it owes them the world is impacted think of the world the whole world because I think liking MMA has impacted culture and then people training much more people training in Jiu Jitsu has impacted culture where the fuck would we be the UFC's here because of the Gracie's as well I mean obviously the Fertitta's and Dana but whose idea was it he wanted to have a crocodile mode around it it's amazing I remember hearing about it in 1992 with Horian and Hoyce the seminar I went to and they were talking about that they were talking about the different ideas what they were going to do even though I didn't think they were full of shit I thought it was never going to happen I'm like what is this Bloodsport on TV they're going to be fighting it sounded ridiculous but now everybody's so used to it it sounds ridiculous that it sounds ridiculous that's true that's a good point when I first found out about it I didn't watch it until it was UFC 2 because I only watched it on videotape like someone from the gym told me about it and I went and watched it I got the videotape like Hollywood video brought it home and I was like oh my god they did it they did that's what I thought so you were like oh they pulled this off no no they did the thing that we always wanted so when I was when I first started style versus style yeah I first started taking karate and I thought karate was good until I stumbled into this really good taekwondo school and I was like oh taekwondo is a shit and then I started boxing I'm like oh my god I can't box and then I started kickboxing I'm like oh my god you kick my legs I didn't know you can kick my legs like this is terrible and then I started doing jiu-jitsu like oh my god I'm helpless so it's like all these steps along the way I was like it wouldn't be nice if we knew what style was real and this is what Bruce Lee tried and right bro when I was starting out in like 88 doing taekwondo nobody knew nothing nobody knew what worked everybody just like so that guy beats people in that thing and that guy beat I wonder what happened they thought no one knew and they thought wrestling was worthless grappling arts were worthless yeah but luckily I learned it was not worthless in high school when I got my ass kicked me too man practicing on a fucking wooden dummy to change one inch punch my ass that's all I know and every time I get into a real scrap I'd go back to my season of 8th grade wrestling that's the case but I also think that Wing Chun would work if you knew all the other like Anderson Silva can use Wing Chun right you know what I'm saying a lot of hand trapping yeah there's hand trapping and elbows from him there's stuff that does work if you know all the other shit it's an added element right it's like there's moves that you could do that you're just your opponent's not gonna your opponent is used to this right they're used to punches like regular punches every now and then weird shit can work because they don't see it coming and then it opens up other big shots and Wing Chun can those guys when you watch the really good ones like whack at each other's arms and shit you're like okay there's like a little value in this yeah there's a little value in getting good at this as long as you know how to actually punch yeah I don't dismiss nothing because anything can work in the right context it's just not gonna work on Terrence Crawford yeah not a boxing match against Terrence Crawford it's not gonna work nothing can you come out here like this what is working against him anyway not much no one has figured that out not much no one has figured that out not much listen you can have fun with it but as far as value I'd say very little value very little because it's only valuable if you're already doing the other stuff yeah if you're gonna do that you might as well be doing Muay Thai Western Boxing or Jiu Jitsu no no for sure by itself useless but what I think is if you already are doing other stuff and you can train with a guy who can show you some of it I think you would be be like oh I see value in this like do you remember when Dan Henderson was fighting Hector Lombard and he hit him with like a back elbow standing yeah yeah yeah or a back forearm it was an elbow or a forearm it was an elbow yeah I think he like threw a punch and came back just wild shit sometimes you ever see people do standing back fists sometimes and they work there's some shit that we're missing yeah and like I think Wing Chun is a part of it yeah I agree with that like especially like when you're in close like in clinching positions yeah that's what I think you're just like trapping hands inside bam you know what I think is the number one thing that people need should be doing the number one thing that people should be doing is point fighting karate it's you know like if you want to add something I mean not obviously not number one over wrestling and all that but the number one thing to add don't add Wing Chun add point fighting karate but it's but it's such a physical thing that a lot of people probably can't do especially if you come from a wrestling background where you're so used to being like heavy yeah and square yeah to be able to turn sideways in and out jump in and out like that but if you can do it yes that advantage is so huge when you watch like MVP when he's in his fucking prime that's so funny here it is the shara bullet the uh yeah but the thing about boom yeah back elbow crazy what a beautiful elbow from a wrestling position yeah let me see that again how did he land it so yeah he had his leg look at that he's holding his leg and he catches look at the fucking elbow oh son right behind it here too fantastic what a fucking elbow that's one of the greatest elbows of all time underappreciated elbow right there to get a knockout elbow while you're hopping on one leg yeah that's crazy fighting off the takedown yeah that was nasty nasty wasn't Wing Chun but what I was getting to is these guys like MVP that advantage is so huge the advantage of being Wonderboy Wonderboy in his prime yeah bro that advantage is so nuts well I so I watch videos of people doing it online I'm like if you could do that in an MMA fight no one will catch you right you'll be in and out before they catch you you know who's the closest to it Cyril Ghosn that's true Cyril Ghosn is not a point fighting karate guy he's a Muay Thai but he's a basketball player yeah and we were talking about this the other day like what better sport to develop plyometrics and the ability to change direction than basketball you're constantly changing direction and they're big men then why can't basketball players fight they're the worst fighters on the planet because they don't train that's true just because they don't train yeah but Cyril Ghosn you look at the way he moves like he moves like a basketball player can move but he's 250 pounds and he's a heavyweight and he can fucking strike yeah I remember I used to train Walt Harris who was a pretty good basketball player and I used to always try to tell him man it's the same thing your pivots are the same you gotta be able to move change directions it's the same thing but as a heavyweight it also comes with being lazy yes those guys are just lazy well it's harder to do hey fuck you Dean it's harder to move all that way all that weight right it's like this episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe some security systems aren't that secure say a burglar breaks in alarms go off police are called but they still have time to grab stuff damage your property and get away so yeah not very secure when you're ready for a security system that's serious about protecting you try SimpliSafe it's just smart how they do security and 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One dot com slash Joe it's hard to get a 248 pound guy to move like Cyril Ghosn there's not a whole lot of them we were just talking about it the other day I think it's an underappreciated thing because we're used to lighter weight fighters moving like that but I'm like name one name one guy at heavyweight who moves like that you know who used to you know who used to was the dark horse of the heavyweight division Travis fucking Brown when Travis Brown was in his prime he was a bad motherfucker dude and he moved light he was a big tall dude and he moved light and Orlovsky used to he just had some he had some you know wars and they take their toll on you but if you go back to like Travis Brown in his heyday when he was knocking people out with those elbows from the clinch and the way he would move like he would move like super light on his feet like bouncing around and I think it was because he played basketball it's gotta be it 100% it makes sense because I know Travis played basketball yeah you know when you get a big athlete that's light on their feet. That's a giant. advantage. Yeah, it is. Because you only need one entrance that you didn't anticipate when you get popped, and now you're compromised. And getting that first step and being able to get a clean shot. Dude, those karate point, I've only fought a couple of karate point fights when I was a kid, when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments, we'd enter into them, and I fought this one guy that was like, his name was Mafia Holloway, he was like a champion. I couldn't even touch him. I couldn't even get close to him. His first name was Mafia? Mafia Holloway. He was a very famous, I don't know if it was his real name, but that's what his name was back in the day. Mafia Holloway. He was like a well-known black belt point fighting champion. I was like, Jesus, we're playing totally different games. I'm playing a continuous fighting game, which where you're, you know, you fight in Taekwondo for a certain amount of minutes, and he's playing this thing where you stop every time they hit you. And so, you can't hit him, and he keeps hitting you. Yeah. And it's just stop, stop, stop, stop. It's like, whoa. It's so frustrating. But I remember leaving going, ooh, I need to learn that. Like, that's crazy. I didn't know you could move that quick and just jump out of there the way he's doing it. And I'm like, and you think about like these guys that fight him, like Kevin Holland that fight MVP. Yeah. After a while, they're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah, for real. He was in his corner saying that, like, how do I, I can't. He's quicker than I thought. What am I doing here? This is nuts. You just can't do anything to him, and he's styling on you. Yeah, that's why when I trained Tyron to fight Steven Thompson, Wonderboy, we didn't, so I knew the mistake that everybody was making. They were using just regular tall kickboxes. I went to karate schools, and we got just karate kids that did that for him to spar with. And I was like, don't worry about takedowns. We don't even need to get there. Just be able to deal with this movement and his length, and being able to deal with that, because it's different. What is this? Mafia Holloway. Oh, shit. Yeah. He's got a crazy kick here. Dude was very good. There it is. He was very good. He didn't get me with that. He got me with a couple of sidekicks to the body, though. I'll tell you that. I was very impressed. I was impressed by the speed in which he was able to move forward and back, because that darting in and just tagging each other's speed is a totally different speed than continuous fighting speed, because continuous fighting speed, you would assume that if the guy's hitting you, that you're going to counter, and you're going to exchange. And what these guys are used to is you never exchange. They just pop you. They pop you, and they get the fuck out of there. That's an asset in MMA. Giant asset. Because you can just knock somebody out, and that's it. Giant asset. It's a giant asset also if you try to play their game. You should just try to play their game just to realize how hard it is. And you're like, oh, this is a crazy this is a different thing. This is all about the blitz. It's all about the entry. They switch stances at will, too. At will. At will. But I think all the good guys do now. I think that's going to be a pre-weck. There's too many calf kickers out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got to be able to switch. It's true. Do you guys watch one? You watch kickboxing in one? Did you see? Did you see Jonathan Haggerty and Yuki Yoza? It wasn't good for Haggerty, was it? No, he won. He figured him out. Haggerty was. Oh, he's the guy that beat that dude that was wrecking everybody. He's a elbow guy. Well, he's just a full-on Muay Thai guy, but he beat him by continuous movement and switching stances. Oh, right. I think I've seen the video. I did see that. It's a video and a really technical fight. For sure. If you really like striking, it's a really technical fight. He did an amazing job of just constantly giving them different looks and switching stances and moving and then catching them in exchanges. And, dude, it was fucking beautiful because Yoza crushes everybody's legs. It was really sweet. He just kept switching stances. Just kept switching stances. And he did a lot of great boxing from the outside, too. It was just. But he never gave him the same look. See that? Look at that. And then knees to the body. A lot of knees to the body. It was a beautiful, brilliant fight. Just chatting with him on Instagram. I'm going to try to get him on. Nice. Bring him to America. Like, this is what Zufa should be promoting. You know, I mean, I know they love boxing. That's awesome. I'm glad they're doing that. But, you know, this is it. Yeah. If you want another thing that's really exciting, it's striking. Just have only Muay Thai. I'm just surprised they haven't done that. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It really doesn't. That's what everybody likes to watch anyway, really. Yeah, that's what everybody likes to do. Dana said to me, I don't know if you changed his opinion, but he said to me that people don't like boxing because they think of, like, P.K.A. karate from ESPN from like the 1980s. I'm like, that's old people don't even know what that is. That's old people. Young people love martial arts. Like, young people love knockouts. Young people boo when fights go to the ground. They do. MMA is the best. No doubt about it. It's the greatest sport of all time. It's the champion of sports. However, if you're going to have some value in another combat sport, it's Muay Thai. Yeah. It's the most exciting shit you can do, the most options you can need. They can throw each other. They do all kinds of wild kicking. You think Rico Verhoeven's boxing success will bring some eyes to kickboxing at all? I hope so. I'm having him on, too. I hope so. I hope so. That was incredible. He's really phenomenal. I mean, dude, for 10 rounds, he really— He was into the point where if you're good judges, if the judges are real, he— Usyk needs a knockout twin. A thousand percent. Which is crazy. He was up— I thought he was up by eight, like, eight to one or two at the time. I thought the same. A lot of people thought the same. I mean, he was bullying him around. He was moving— Yeah. He would use his weight well. Did he shit over— His cardio was incredible. He joked about himself, and it was phenomenal, because he put my style against Usyk, and it was Jim Carrey and that fucking— What's the one where, you know, he comes boxing at the guy? It often looked like it, too. It was fucking phenomenal. But, man, he really did amazing. I personally think if they rematch, that now Usyk will, like, kind of figure them out, so maybe it'll happen—he'll get him faster. Well, I don't know. I don't know. Look, I hope not, because I was rooting for Rico. He really— If they rematch— It was amazing. Rico was going to know that he can do that. Like, before that fight, he didn't know he could do that. And Usyk didn't know he could do that. And the difference is, Usyk is not a real heavyweight. He's the greatest heavyweight of all time, which is crazy. But he's not a real heavyweight. Right. He's— You can't say the— Like, Tyson, in my opinion, is always going to be my favorite in his prime. Yeah. He was just so insane. It was so insane to watch him just demolish the whole division. For real. But then, you look at Cassius Clay, and then when he was Muhammad Ali, and Larry Holmes doesn't get his due, and Lennox Lewis was a fucking beast. So maybe—you know, who knows who would have fought. But that guy, stylistically, is, like, the greatest heavyweight ever. Like, watching him move, the way he— Yeah, like, skill for skill. Yeah, skill for skill. You look incredible. You're watching an artist. Yeah. It's like, the way he put it on Dubois. Dude, that uppercut was sick, too. Yeah. Oh, my God. He's incredible. But he's still, really, a 220-pound guy. Yeah. You know? Like, he puts on some extra weight. He gets a little—he was a little thicker for that fight. Right. But, you know, Rico's huge. He's a giant. Rico's a giant guy. He's a giant guy from the Netherlands. Right. That's a— Is that where he's from? That's a real heavyweight man. Yeah, yeah. Another Dutch kickboxer. They're all giants. They're all tough as shit, too. Six—what is he, like, 6'5", 270? He's huge. 260. He's got crazy cardio, too, for a big, giant guy. Dude, he was bouncing on—I mean, he was—for 10 rounds, he kept that pace. That's a heavyweight, keeping that pace. And then once he slowed, you know, that's when Usyk was able to find him. Did you watch it, Matt? I can't watch it. I have a hard time watching anything but fucking mixed martial arts. I love jiu-jitsu. And Star Wars. I love jiu-jitsu. Yeah, well, you know, Star Wars. I saw the new He-Man movie, by the way. How was it? It was fucking good. Really? The Masters of the Universe was good. I was worried, because I'm thinking all the new reboots and this and that. I go, "Is it going to be too woke? Is it going to be this?" It was fucking fun. It had a Thor/Ragnarok-type feel, where it's just kind of fun and a little goofy, but not to the point where it just takes you out of it. You know what it is? I grew up with that He-Man. That was my kid, around our age, right? Yeah, right. So it did justice to that. It made it fun. I heard Skeletor was awesome. Yeah, Jared Leto. Wasn't that a Jared Leto play? Yeah. I heard there was some sort of crazy. He wasn't allowed to do interviews, wasn't allowed to talk to the rest of the cast. I heard that, too. Why? Because they were worried he was going to do nutty shit. In the Joker, he was sending people dead rats in the mail and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah, because he was in character. Yeah. That's fucking weird. That's weird. So they were like, "Yeah, you're going to be an evil fucking Skeletor guy? No. No, we can't let you be in character. We can't contact the rest of the crew." I don't know if that's true. That's what I heard, but it was fun. See if that's true. No, I heard that, too. I heard Will Smith said something about that. Yeah, I thought somebody said it. I thought somebody said he sent them like a rat or something when he was the Joker. He said, "I know you're playing the Joker, but come on with the rats." Yeah, yeah. He would chill out. There's some dudes that play the Joker, and you're like, "All right, it's over." When Heath Ledger played the Joker, everybody stopped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the Joker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't come back after that. Until Joaquin. Joaquin Phoenix. Well, he's a great one. Yeah, they came out with- I saw that. I was like, "Okay, now that's the Joker." Yeah, and then you saw the sequel, and you said, "Fuck that. Bring that." I didn't see the sequel. Tim Dillon told me it was the worst movie that's ever been made. Everybody said that. I didn't see it, neither. I didn't make it. I didn't watch it. If I was guessing, he probably didn't want to do it. I don't know what they were thinking. I bet it was like a dispute between the movie company and the dude who directed it. I heard it was a musical. Why would you do that? It's so much- Yeah, that's so silly. Unless you're trying to mock it or you're trying to diffuse it. Maybe the government was like, "Hey, after you released that movie, we had the BLM." BLM riots and everybody's lighting LA on fire. Hey, maybe don't have a movie where you're encouraging people to like light cities on fire maybe make a musical with a musical it's funny how the first if I never seen a I mean sequels aren't normally as good as the original but holy fuck I'd never seen something so bad I didn't make it through it I saw some of it and then I'm like once I started singing I'm out of this it's very rare where a sequel you like damn that's just as good well Terminator 2 Empire Strikes Back yes there are a couple those are a couple rocky - you didn't like rocky - obviously why do you take it to the zoo in the beginning the whole joke was that beat that mean bodyguard saying take it to the zoo the retards like this to the fucking zoo to propose the war is that not crazy yeah that is but that's how people were in the 70s they were animals but before the internet movie reviews on your channel oh you trying to plug my channel you know what I'm watching on there I do I do series reactions it or movies reactions are you watching the new House of Dragon no yeah there's so many things to watch let me tell you something I'm fucked I'm in the middle of from I want to talk to you about that my wife's made it from you don't tell me why season 4 episode 5 I think there's only four four and then the fifth one is the final season it doesn't come out until 2027 so tell me hey House of Dragon now look I love Game of Thrones the night of the Seven Kingdoms was phenomenal and House of Dragons out of all of them is the one I like the least because it's a lot of just gloom and doom it's a unit all the characters are pricks they're all a bunch of fucking wacky talking yeah there's no one to like exactly one's noble but this one this third season is fucking I watch good yeah I do the reactions on my channel thanks Dean what is the channel I'm back Sarah channel on YouTube look at this he's contemplating it's like he's contemplating you know House of the Dragon no no no what this is do you ever see Mystery Science Theater yeah well they showed the back of their head you're the former UFC welterweight champion of the world and you're sitting there with the headphones on that's great this is what I think about House of Dragon yeah you didn't have to do that that's 200 milligrams of variables right there it's 55 milligrams you know what scene I really love when they were trying to find Targaryens because the Targaryens had a bunch of bastard children yeah trying to see who's a Targaryen so they put people out with the dragons burning them oh no the prior seasons had some good scenes like that yeah but this season I just watched three of them so far I'll get in each one of them is it's all it's nothing but fighting now it's nothing about but going at it let's go and it's fucking good yeah all right it's good I'm in I'm just I watched the whole season of the whole all the episodes of Game of Thrones recently then you went back and started back yeah we watched it for like four or five months watching every one of them when you watch it like every couple nights a week like two three nights a week when you're watching it it's like you you just like you follow you have to wait like years in between seasons it's incredible that way it's the greatest epic adventure show in the history of the world I tell people that all the time I'm like you gotta watch it yeah yeah dude sure I forgot how good it was and even though it's ten years old special effects are perfect yeah for sure here's I'm gonna say something I never said in my life there's a new book I'm reading is it a graphic novel no it's not it is um and all right I gotta be honest I'm listening to the audio but okay people say they're reading a book when they really listen to the audio but donald rollins gave me so much shit about that how you reading when you just listed I'm just trying to abbreviate it yes I listen to an audiobook sorry red and sit down and read it rising red rising have you ever heard of this no well you're gonna document this episode because sooner or later someone's gonna pick it up and it's gonna become either an Amazon series or a movie my one of my black belts Jedi Joey beans told me about this age what a great name yeah oh he's great but he likes all the shit I'm into so he told me about this I'm gonna write it down what is it called red rising all right that's it and I'll tell you I don't know how many books there are but I'm listening to the first one and I'm like more than halfway through and it's what's it about set in future on Mars whoa red rising is a 2014 this book this oh how you cannot dystopian science fiction my short friend he's out he's reading and dystopian comes out somebody else read it a bunch of pricks this is a great book it's a great book and I like getting into something new well how long is the man that's regular coffee there's a cup if you want coffee coffee you know what you must you want a little baby I'm trying to figure out what you're gonna do with that I'm down for that I'm down for that yeah the red rising man that was really good in a coffee man it's like Game of Thrones in space oh I'm nice I'm in oh you know what I started watching cuz you guys that uh Battlestar Galactica fucking great I'm like I'm I'm only on the first season there's like 20 episodes I'm like I'm like 10 in right now yeah that was a sci-fi channel bro that show was so underrated so under rated like to this day if you go back and watch Battlestar Galactica the entire series it's fucking incredible very good the new one not the old one original here's what I'm gonna recommend you could watch it with your wife or by yourself whatever you want to do porn Widows Bay Apple TV comes out with some fucking bang bangers silos another great one but uh Widows Bay it's very rare it's about an island that's kind of cursed and a mayor's trying to get it to become like the next fucking Martha's Vineyard whatever that is any and you know this is it oh that guy that guy was in the Beast Within this is great bro that guy's in another great fucking series that also might be Apple it's it might be it's very rare that's something I don't like like my family's a bunch of ghouls except for my oldest they like all the horror shit I'm not into it but it's very rare I like spooky shit so it's like spooky but it's fucking funny the character oh it's it's got like a quirky type humor to it and I was fucking dying I was nice the beast in me is another one it was uh what was it on Netflix it's on Netflix it's still on Netflix it's a series and it's about an author and this fucking psychotic guy that is a rich guy who lives in her neighborhood I don't want to tell you any more than that it's a movie it's clear yeah I saw that Claire Danes and that guy Matthew you watch that show I didn't watch it I didn't watch it is it good good it's what Claire Danes can act her ass off this summer soccer is here and the watch parties will be going back to back to back but 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with Landman after a while I'm just like new season of Landman's good I don't give a shit about the slutty wife and the door doesn't know I love it she plays the stripper wife well after a while it's just like all right I go they get to some interesting shit with like the cartels after them and then they're oh let's take the old seniors out to the strip joint it's like oh the wife's being outrageous again I can't take it that's fun now that was my problem with that was my problem with it too I thought that the the women were like it too I thought that the the women were like caricatures of women yeah come on caricatures of women yeah come on man who's cheering their order on. Basically to be a hoe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was kind of like, this is too much. I have a question, though, if you guys all seen it. Why do they live together? Like, the other lawyer, why do they all live with Billy Bob Thornton and his family? That's a plot point. Yeah. Yeah, there's no other reason why. Yeah, because there's only one house on the ranch or something. Oh, because I'm just like. And they all have to live in the one house. It's his office and his home, basically. Yeah, it's his office and his home. So it's like, it makes it fun, but isn't he making a lot of money? Shouldn't all of them be making a lot of money? Yeah, you would think his lawyer would be making big bank, you know? Well, now he's got to be making money because now he's running the company. Spoiler alert. Right, right. So he's making more money? Yeah, he's making sure they're eating their vegetables. And that bitch gets mad about it. Anything. It just, it loses me. I love Billy Bob, though. Billy Bob on that show is so good. He makes the show. He makes the show. He's the show. He is the show. Taylor said that he wouldn't have even made the show if it wasn't for Billy. Really? He went to Billy with the idea. He goes, I'm not going to make this if you're not going to be in it. Yeah, he made the show. I thought Andy Garcia was good in it, too. Oh, Andy Garcia. He's great in everything. Yeah. You ever see things to do in Denver when you're dead? Hell yeah. Fucking Longo loves that lemon. Dude, that's a great movie. I like it, too. I hate that movie. Are you really? I never made it through. Longo loves that fucking movie. I'm with you, Ray. I'm with you. That lemon. Longo loves it. And I can never make it through it. In all honesty, I haven't seen it in decades. But when I saw it, I loved it. But the problem is, sometimes you go back and you try to watch one of the movies that you really liked. And you're like, whoa, what? Oh, man, what was I thinking? What the fuck was wrong with me? This movie sucks a fat one. There's a bunch of movies like that. You try to watch them, they're terrible. Yeah. Sometimes it's just better off remembering how good they used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the impact. You were just a more naive person before the internet. Yeah, true. I watched one of the worst movies that was so fucking good that it was bad. It was Rowdy, right? Rowdy, right? Rowdy? Rowdy Piper? Rowdy, right? How's he? Rowdy, Roddy Piper? Yes. 100 milligrams. We saw him last night, too, Joey. Joey, that's right. Hell comes to Frogstown. Ooh. Now, it's a combination of, say, like, Mad Max, like a post-apocalyptic thing, and Escape from New York, where, in the future, Rowdy, Roddy, is the only guy who's not fucking sterile. Everybody else is sterile. So. I'm sure everybody's chasing him for it. So they have to, like, it starts off when he's in, like, a fucking general's. He's in, like, a room because he got caught with the general's daughter, and fucking they put a jockstrap on him with explosives, and he has to. Oh, my God. He has to. Is he talking to a frog? Yeah, oh, yeah. Yo. So, he has. His mission is to go to this Frogstown, and there's a harem there, and he's got to impregnate everybody, or else they're gonna fucking blow him up. Sounds like a horrible job. It is. It's crazy. This movie. What a silly movie. Oh, yeah, no, no. Oh, my God. You can't unsee it. So, he comes to Frogstown? This is amazing. He cut out halfway through Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead. But he's in for Frogstown. Yeah, but I agree. With this, you know what you're getting into. It's not a bunch of people pretending to be cool, you know? It's like, this is just silly. How did you even find this and then sit down and watch the whole thing? This is the thing. Well, you know, it's well-documented about my ass problems. So, sometimes, I spend a lot of time on the throne, and I got my iPad, so I go to Prime Video, and it's almost like when I was little, like, I used to go through the channels, and I'm, like, up all night. I'd find something wacky. So, I look for weird or different movies, and that's one of them, and I just. It just brought me right in. I watch that whole. In two shits, I watch that whole fucking movie. What was the one when he was an alien? That's a crazy amount of time to shit. Was it called They? Or whatever? Oh, I'm on the toilet a long time. That's crazy. It's crazy to shit for two hours, you're saying? A little. Well, not for two hours, but. The budget for this movie was double what that movie Obsession was that just came out. My wife said that movie was great. So, the budget was $1.5 million back then. Yeah, in 1988. Wow. So, was this a small release? Yeah, it has to be. Who made this movie? What was the company that made it? New World? That's a big company. Maybe they sold it to New World? I don't know how all that shit works. Was this before or after They Live? Well, They Live was good. That's what I'm saying. Maybe they bankrolled it. But I bet if you tried to watch Return to Frogtown was released on 93. Direct to VHS. Bro, before even DVD, they're like, no, fuck this. Straight to tape. Now, listen, everybody, don't go watching this and cursing me. I mean, you gotta know what you're getting into. It's exactly what it looks like. TV Guide only gave it two out of five stars. How dare they? DVD Talk said three. But I'll tell you, he's hysterical in it. He's fucking. I bet if we watched They Live right now, we wouldn't like it. I bet we'd be like, oh, this movie's whack. I don't know, it's still pretty funny if you watch it. Is it good? When was the last time you saw it? I mean, it's one of them movies when you're flipping around if it's on. Because him and the. What's the. His guy's name. Remember, they had basically a wrestling match in the fucking alley. They were suplexing each other and everything. The black guy from Men at Work. There's movies from, like, the 80s and the 90s. There it is. There's movies from the 80s and the 90s that become comedies. This is a comedy right here. But this is kind of a comedy. This is, like, a little tongue-in-cheek. But then there's stuff like Roadhouse. Right, right, right. Roadhouse is a comedy now. Right, for sure. Roadhouse is such a bad movie. Yeah, yeah. It's so bad. I mean, it's so insanely bad. The bad guy's bad. The writing's bad. Everything is bad. Everything's bad except for Patrick Swayze's hair. That's amazing. It was appropriate at the time. In the 80s, everything was cheesy. We were dumb. People were dumb back then. You know? That's what I think. I think we were dumb. Miami Vice, you know? No internet. People were stupid. It's true. You're right. We were only exposed to what we were exposed to in your area. Yeah, we thought, that's a solid movie. You should go see Roadhouse. I'll tell you what. That's a good guy. You're going to root for him. Yeah. He's complicated, but he's tough. He's quiet, and he likes poetry. He fucks people up, and he says, pain don't hurt. I was about to say that. Pain don't hurt. The karate scenes are so bad. Everything is so bad. It's so fake. It's so dumb-looking. But it's still awesome. He brought Sam Elliott in as backup. Had an 80-year-old backup. Dude, clearly could barely walk. He's like KOing guys left and right. That's it, mijo. He's awesome in everything, though. Sam Elliott's awesome. Every time you see Sam Elliott in a movie, you're like, yes. Hang in there. I think the bad guy's. Didn't he tell Patrick, what's his name, that he used to fuck guys like him in prison? Yes. Yes. Sam Elliott, that's the one who played Landman's father, right? Yes. Yeah. He's awesome. He's always good. Always. Always. In everything. He's a real-life Marlboro man. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that movie was so bad. But the thing is, back then it wasn't. Yeah, everything in the 80s was bad. TV shows were insane. You watch them, you're like, what were they doing? Trying to brainwash America. Roger Ebert's review is that this is right on the edge of a good-bad movie and merely the bad. It's not a good movie. Well, he's right. It's not a good movie, but viewed in the right frame of mind, it's not a boring one either. Ah, that's the thing. Gene Siskel was less complimentary. He's calling it outrageous in terms of its cartoon-like plotting and dialogue and lamenting Swayze's mindless posturing. A young star has sold himself to become a pin-up boy. Someone sounds a little jelly. Come on. Yeah. That sounds a little jelly to me. Acting. It's called getting paid. Yeah, he made a movie and thought it was going to be better than it was. Right. Okay, let's move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? It's a cult classic. To this day, people are still talking about it. Bro, basically every actor that's ever lived has been in a cup of lemons. Right. Of course. That's part of the process. Except maybe Daniel Day-Lewis. He's probably a little bit more selective. Maybe that Lincoln one. A lot of people didn't watch that Lincoln one. That might be the only one. I don't know anybody who was like raves about the Lincoln movie. Right. What about the vampire hunter Abraham Lincoln? That wasn't crazy. Who was in that? Did anybody see that? I never seen it. I never saw that. That was Daniel Day-Lewis, right? It sounds like something that No. Abraham Lincoln vampire hunter is crazy. That should have been made in the eighties. No. That should have been. It should have been. It should have been made in the eighties. Yeah, it's like a comic book. That sounds like a Marvel comic. Yeah. I haven't seen it. I didn't see it either. It sounds like something I would watch. It sounds like something you would recommend. It's funny. Was it good? The vampire hunter thing? To me, it was like a comedy thing. I might have seen it and forgotten about it. Yeah. I don't even remember if I saw it. I mean, you get high enough when you watch the movies. They're cool, but you don't really remember details all the time. You know what I'm looking forward to? That new werewolf movie. Oh. Eggers guy, the same guy that did Nosferatu. He's doing a werewolf. They just released a trailer. Did they? What's it called? Werewolf. Yeah, werewolf. I saw that. It's spelled weird, but it's basically a werewolf. Where's it take place? I don't know. Some foreign country. You can hear them speaking some strange language. You know, it's like, give me some volume. Oh, man. Oh, I want to see it. Yeah. That looks pretty wild. Robert Eggers is the shit. Oh, Christmas time? How was the family? Yeah, that's a weird time. It should be a Halloween release. How was the vampire one? Fuck yeah, it was awesome. You think I'd like it? Yeah. I don't know. It's good, dude. It is? I think it's the best vampire movie of all time. Better than Interview with a Vampire? Yeah. Nosferatu? Yeah, I think Nosferatu's the best vampire movie of all time. That's my opinion. I think it's the best. I've seen a bunch of them. Gary Oldman one was amazing. That was a great one. That Dracula one with Keanu Reeves. That's still great. But, man, there's something about Edgar's Nosferatu. It's more terrifying than all of them. It's just something that's more hypnotic. He's got powers over people. It's weird the way he influences people. It's creepy. Yeah, the way that looks shot. I see what you're saying. You didn't see the Nosferatu? No, I didn't see it. Show me a scene where he's making him sign the contract. There's a scene where the dude has to go to his house, and he doesn't know, spoiler alert, like what contract. What contract he's signing because he's signing it in a language that he doesn't know to sell a house to this prince that lives in Romania. And he goes to visit this guy. It's the creepiest fucking scene ever. And this is the first scene where you, like, see him, and you slowly, it gets revealed, like, what he is. Yeah. The best vampire movie of all time. Really? You'll love it. I'm going to watch it now. It's so well done. I'm going to watch it with my voice. Okay, listen to me. My lord. The language of my forefather, son. Of course. The maiden's token, I see. Your bride. Just so, he did it? Yes. The eye. The eye. He wants a look at the bride? Well, he wants this guy's wife. This is this whole contract. This is what this whole thing is about, of him going to this guy's town and buying a house there from him. Like, this, it really, he just wants this guy's wife. He's, like, eternally connected to her. Oh. It's creepy as fuck, dude. Oh, shit! Oh, I got to watch this. Oh! Yeah. It's good. I got to watch this. Best vampire movie. Is it? I got to watch this. Ever. Yeah. Some people disagree, and that's fine. My opinion. You ever see Lost Boys? That was good. That was fun, though. Back in the day, I bet if you watched it today, you'd be like, what? Yeah, you'd be like, yo, this is corny as shit. John Rollo with long hair, I still believe. With the fucking, with the saxophone. I was, is that you, Rollo? With the fucking wig. Lost Boys. There's a Broadway show for it now. Lost Boys, the Broadway show? Oh, my God. Dude. That's hilarious. Boo, first of all, boo Broadway. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Spider-Man. I saw Rocky, two things I love. It's like going to see a Spider-Man movie with the worst special effects ever. All of a sudden, there's a guy swinging, and everybody's like, oh. I go, dude, what the, really? Show me the one with Macy Barber in it. Not Macy Barber. Marcy Barber? Macy Barber's a fighter. Who's the black girl that used to sing? Macy Gray. Macy Gray. 100 milligrams. Yep. Yeah, I saw Macy Barber in it last night. There's a Rocky play? It was fucking horrendous. Did they box? Did they pull a ring out and everything? Yeah, it's fucking awful. Wow. It's like what the movie is, but just what you're picturing on Broadway. 2012 or something. I've never seen anything I liked on that motherfucker. This. This is it? Oh, boo. Oh, theater people, you're so silly. Dude, I can't stand it. This guy sucks. He can't box. The beloved Oscar winning story. Dude, I just. I mean, I assume Stallone did this. I don't know. I mean, he's got to own it. It's like, it's a cover story. I'm not into plays. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. If you're a longtime listener or you listen to other shows, you know Zip Recruiter is everywhere. But that's because great candidates for your role are also everywhere. And hearing these ads increases the chances of them going to Zip Recruiter and responding to your job post. So go to ZipRecruiter.com slash Rogan to try it for free. And once you post your job, Zip Recruiter's powerful matching technology will find top talent quickly. 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He was really good in it. He's really good. He's really good in it. You probably liked that shit, though. You do improv. Did you ever get into The Punisher? Did you see the one last kill? Yeah, I watched it. That was good. It's a one-off. Did you see it? Yeah, it's like an hour long. People think it's a movie. It's not a full movie. It's like a special. That was good. Yeah, I liked it. That was really good. I liked it. Season one, him and the Daredevil was good. Yeah, he was good. His first season was okay. Second season wasn't good, but that special was good. Yeah. I have to watch one thing. It's like 45 minutes to an hour. Yep. I did a watch-along on the Matt Serra channel. But I did. That guy's awesome at everything. John Bernthal? Yeah. Walking Dead, he was amazing. Yeah, he was. He played such a good, creepy friend. Yeah. You liked it, right? When he came back to life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Punisher? Shit, that was crazy. I met him a few times in real life. He can scrap a little bit. Yeah, he's a very nice guy. He was on the podcast. Enjoyed talking to him. Very smart. Yeah. Very interesting dude. Went to. School in Russia to learn acting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a weird place to go and learn acting. And just so you know, while we're on the topic, The Punisher's going to be in Spider-Man Brand New Day. That's coming out. Yep. Is that a movie? Yeah, the new Spider-Man movie. Those. They just keep swapping out Spider-Mans. Yeah, but this Tom Holland Spider-Man. He's back in it again. He's yet to do a bad Spider-Man movie. Yeah, I think he's good. There's no job security in being Spider-Man. No, hell no. They got another dude waiting in the wings. Or there isn't. There is job security. They just brought Tobey Maguire back after 20 years. Yeah, they did the multiverse thing. But the thing is about Spider-Man is he's supposed to be like a college kid. Yeah. Yeah, that's really it. Unfortunately, this guy looks like a little kid. Tom Holland? Yeah. It's the origin story as he starts out as like a college kid. Yeah, he's a high school kid. He might be a high school kid. Is he in high school? Yeah. Yeah. And then his Uncle Ben gets killed and he doesn't save. Yeah. He doesn't stop the guy. You know what else was fun? Was the Spider-Man in the wall. Yeah, I was pulling that up. Oh. Yeah, I just saw. Jamie, me and you are right here, buddy. Yeah, that's the Nicolas Cage one. Yeah, I watched that too. That was fun. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. That looks dope. I thought it was good. And you can watch it in color or black and white. They give you the option. Yeah. Nicolas Cage is a fascinating dude. But he's. He's another guy that's been around forever. He's the good Nicolas Cage in this. Yeah, yeah. Some stuff you're watching him in, you're like. Well, I think after that Pascal movie he did, his name was in the title. It's like, I don't know, Being Nicolas Cage? Right, right, right. That movie brought him back. It was like Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction for Travolta. Right. Like, kicked him back off again. What is that movie? It was great where Pedro Pascal's like a drug dealer. Cartel guy. Who's a big fan of Nicolas Cage's. Oh. And he winds up like hiring him to come to his house to do something. And then he gets Cage's hemmed up in the cartel business. The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent. That's what it's called. Is that it? Is that the name of the movie? Yeah, there it is. See? Being Nick fucking Cage. So, that's. Great B+. That's not bad. That's pretty good. It was good. I'll probably check that out. I watched part of it. I never got through the whole thing. Nah. It's just busy. But it looks hilarious. Yeah, it's pretty good. The premise is hilarious. You know, you're like an actor and you get these gigs. Like, because people do things like that. They'll, like, show up at people's houses and parties. Like, someone wants to pay you a million dollars to go to Dubai. And you're like, okay. So, then they fly to Dubai. Then they have dinner with people and hang out with them and meet them. And people just cut them a check. Damn. Yeah. Shit, where can I get that check? I know. It's weird. It's weird. It's, uh, there's, you know, so, like, Nicolas Cage, like, that probably would happen where the cartel guy was like, that guy is my favorite. Like, remember when Sean Penn met El Chapo? Right. What? He was hanging with El Chapo and did an article for Rolling Stone magazine where he talked about meeting El Chapo in Mexico. No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't remember? No. Do you remember when Conor was wearing the El Chapo shirt and he tried to do the pictures just like El Chapo did? Those were the pictures that he did with Sean Penn. No shit. Yes, that's the shirt. with Conor, when Conor's doing that, that's what he's doing. He's mocking him. That's hilarious. Speaking of Conor, how well does he do next week? We're going to find out. We're really going to find out what's going on if it gets into the second and third rounds. That's what we're really going to find out. We'll know immediately. But I mean, whether or not he can really fight for five rounds. I don't know if he can, man. With a great gas tank. After five years of tearing your body up. You don't know, right? Because it's all in a vacuum. There's some training footage of him beating guys up that you've seen, but who knows what he actually has been doing. We know he's been partying, but has he also been really training? Because if he's been really training and he shocks everybody because he's still got his skills. My God, if he somehow or another sparks out Max in the first round. Do you know how big he shocks? Oh, he's right back. Oh, right back. He and Justin Gaethje, the biggest fight in the history of the known universe. They go for the BMF title at 170. Conor's like, I don't want to cut any weight. That fight would be crazy. My only concern is his size. Max struggled with bigger dudes. Dustin the first time, then Max came back bigger, which we know because when he went back down, he struggled with Orlovsky. He went five rounds with Justin. So I'm just waiting to see is Conor able to put that fucking weight on him and have a problem. Is he a bigger dude, though? They both fought at the same weight class. Yeah, they did start at 45. When Max was fighting at 145 when he was a champion, he was walking around like 176. He's a big guy. He's a bigger guy. I mean, I love Max, so it's hard for me to believe Conor's coming back. I follow Max on YouTube. He's got a great channel, so recording all of his training and all the stuff he's doing, and you know, you see him. He looks good, dude. He looks big. Dustin Poirier thinks Max might be bigger. Really? Yeah. I mean, he's taller. He says he's kind of thin, but he's got a bigger frame. He thinks he's going to be bigger than Conor. He's tall. I mean, he came to my gym a couple times, and he's like my height. I think he made a big mistake going back to 45 after he did 55. Yeah, I agree. I think it's too hard. I think it's just too hard on the body. And especially when he got. He was a thick 55 when he fought Justin. He looked good, man. Yeah. He looked solid at that weight. I think him fighting at that weight, he could actually fight. I think going down to 45, I think he was fighting. It looked to me like he was compromised. I think the weight cut was just too much. Do you think the Justin fight and Max is different if he doesn't get caught with that kick early in the face? You know what I'm saying? 100%. I would like to see that fight without Justin's compromise. Right. But I mean, that's the beautiful thing about moves like that. It's a fight game. It changes everything. Yeah, that was the intention. Right. It could have been a KO, right? It shattered the bones of his nose. Yeah. So that for sure. I mean, but then, you know, you see the way Max looked at 145 when he fought Ilya, but then you got to also factor in. Also, he's fighting Ilya. And Ilya's so fucking good. Like, you look bad. Like, there's a lot of guys who don't look. He lands combinations on people, and a lot of guys look bad. Doesn't mean they're bad. I'd like to see Max and Justin again, if Max pulls it off. But then again, like, what are you gonna do for Ilya? Like, if Ilya wants a rematch, like. Can you justify that? I don't believe so. I think you give him Patty if Patty wins. That's what I think. That's what his next fight should be. I think Patty beats. I think Patty wins. Wait a minute. You think Patty beats Ilya? No, I think he beats Saint Denis to get to Ilya. I think he gets hit way too much to beat Ilya. Well, Ilya's sharp. He's so sharp with his striking. I rewatched that fight again. Yeah, I like Patty in this one. Saint Denis is not an easy. I don't think he's easy. Saint Denis is a beast. I just think his Patty striking's a little better and his jiu-jitsu's better. I think the only place Saint Denis has the advantages in the wrestling. Just my opinion. I don't know, man. Saint Denis switched camps and then made that big adjustment after he lost to. Who'd he lost to? Moikano. Yeah, after the Moikano fight. He's looked a lot better. And if Patty puts him on his back at all, like, I don't. Does Saint Denis train off his back? Because it didn't look like it in that Moikano match. Hmm. Patty and Ilya would be huge. Hell yeah. Because they have history, too. That's right. They got beef. That's the fight. Yeah. That would be a meta fight. That's the fight you make. Do that shit in London? I think that's the right comeback fight for Ilya. And also. Do that shit in England. Joe's like, I'm going! Oh my God. Now I don't want to get caught in a riot. Not for anything. Be careful. They might lock you up for your social media when you get over there. They would, too. They were shitting on Patty when he lost to Justin. And, you know, he got compromised also that first round. I believe he got poked in the eye or whatever else. Whatever the case, he went five with him. Yeah, he did go five with him. And, you know, got battered and stood up to great shots. And he's going to come out of that fight better. He'll know, okay, there's more work to be done. There's holes I have in my game. There's places where I got caught. And he has improved over his. When he first got there, I didn't really think much of him. But each time out, I think he gets a little better. Yeah, dude, for sure. It's just Justin's in. Yeah, he's a savage. Dude, he's a dog. He's my favorite fighter rat. You know, been for a minute. Yeah, no doubt. Because he's just always in a great fight. And especially after you see that second round. I re-watched it again. When Ilya was putting it on him in that second round, I'm like, oh, those liver punches. I know, like, how does he come back from this? More than one, too. So beautiful though, too. Like, the way he delivers those shots, man. Just clean. Wham! You know who else does it like that? Aaron Pico. Yeah, he does great. Great body work. Yeah, 100%. I'm glad that he's got to show his stuff. Me, too. He looked great his last fight. He looked great. Yeah, Pico was, because that was one of those guys I love. He was fighting Pitbull, who's like, you know, a real legend. But the way he mixed it together, the striking and the wrestling, was really good. He just got crazy in his debut, and he just got a little just too hyped up, a little too aggressive against a guy who's way too skilled. Yeah. You know? He's a hunter. Yeah. You know, I love that he's so aggressive, but that was a great comeback fight. Yeah, it was. Because it shows that he's still in there, you know? You get worried when you see people get their lights put out like that. You're like, oh, they can never be the same. And then when you see him come back and have a fight like that, being so intelligent, that's a good sign. But he has to make sure his defense is always good, because his chin is still suspect. Regardless of how good his skill is, he still don't have a chin. Well, he's been knocked out a bunch of times. You know? I mean, after a certain amount of times, it's easier to get knocked out. And you've got to know he's been knocked out in training. I always believe part of your chin is believing you can't be knocked out. And then when it happens to you that first time, instead of when you get your bell rung, you bite down on your mouthpiece, now you're like, oh, shit, not again. Like, I think mentally it's different, you know? There's something to that, probably. But then there's also, like, a pro-cop head kick. Well, if you get hit on the button, you get hit on the fucking button. Yeah, there's, like, certain shit that violates your beliefs. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Nobody twice see red, bro. It's a fact. Bang! Edson Barboza wheel kicks you. I remember that one. That was in Brazil. Edson Barboza. Terry Adam? Yeah, he had a good one, too. That's one of those where you go, I don't think that guy's ever gonna be the same. I don't think he was the same after that. No. I thought it right then and there. I was like, I think that was too hard. Yeah, that was too hard. That's a different shot. And you've seen it where guys, they get one, and then they're still in there, and then you see them get a couple, and then next thing you know, their chin is gone. It's just, it's not. And then, listen, Chuck Liddell's mentally strong. You don't think he's being like, I wonder if this is gonna. You know, that's just his body saying. His body's trying to protect him. Yeah, his body's saying enough of this. And then it's also the. Apparently it's the lining inside your brain. All that fascia tears over time. And repeated head traumas, and just there's a lot of swashing around. So when you get dinged, your brain is literally going without shock absorbers bouncing off the inside of your skull. That might not be the technical way that a neurosurgeon would describe it. Hey, man, listen, all those height jokes, I was like a little armadillo. I was like a pig at the top of my head. I was covering that little motherfucker. Unless I'm running to a backfist, I was okay. That's right. But it's so funny how everything just evolves. When I got stopped with the first. I was the first guy ever to get stopped with a backfist. And when I did, the people were like, yo, this guy must suck. Nobody gets stopped with that shit. You see it on every card, people getting stopped with backfists. Dude, we used to have these conversations, like Eddie Bravo and I, at the beginning of the UFC about stuff that works that's not in there yet. Like, what about this? What about that? And you know the big one that I missed on? What's that? Front kick to the face. Before Anderson Silva front kick V toward the face, I'm like, that shit doesn't work. Nobody does that. It's too hard to land. I don't even know why I thought that. So you really thought that? For a little bit, because I was like, it's not worth it. I was like, that move is so powerful to the body. I was like, that's really where you should use it, because you could land. It's a big target, and you could really fuck a guy up. You get your most power with a front kick going straight. And I was like, to the face, it's too hard to hit. I don't know why I thought that way. Machida. Machida and Randy. Yeah, Machida and Randy. I think it was like Vitor first. Anderson Vitor first. I think that was the first one when we saw a real spectacular front kick knock out to the face. But then it was Machida and Randy, and then a bunch of people started doing it. And then front kicks to the face became like a spam move. Thanks Sensei Seagal for that. How about Michael Chandler, Tony Ferguson? Oh, that was a bad one. That might be one of the worst ones ever. Or Chito Rivera, Frankie Edgar. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a bad one for Frankie. Front kicks to the face are brutal. I just didn't see that coming. I really, because in martial arts tournaments, most people were throwing them to the body and not throwing them to the face. Even in kickboxing, not a whole lot of guys were throwing them to the face. You know, with Michael Chandler, I remember talking to him, he said he didn't even practice that. He just says he just saw the opening and just threw the kick. That's so crazy. That's wild. Yeah. That's so crazy. I mean, I think, too, once a successful technique gets out there and people see it, then all of a sudden, hey, I can fucking do that. 100%. He had a rough outing the last one, Mike. Yeah, that was a tough fight, man. I mean, that was a bad matchup. That's Dana saying, Mike, it's time for you to retire. Mike is 40, Hufi is in his prime, and he might be the scariest striker at 170. Yeah, he's in the south. Or 155, rather. And by the way, giant for 155. I know, tall, like rangy, good movement. Slick. He's fucking good. Bro, he hit him with like three wheel kicks. Yeah. Yeah, he was just, I mean, it was target practice. It's crazy how good he is. And you talk about that taekwondo movement, he has that. Exactly. But with boxing hands, so it's crazy. Yeah. You know, I mean, gotta tighten up the wrestling and the jiu-jitsu, and that's why he lost to Benoit Saint-Denis. Yeah. But that was a good learning experience. When you see a guy who's that good fucking everybody up, you know, the way he put out, King, ooh, Jesus. That was real bad. He does it like a video game. And, and, and Fazeev. And I thought that was gonna be a decent one. And by the way, the Fazeev knockout, apparently he was like sick as a dog before the fight. They were talking about pulling out of the fight. No shit. And he just took the fight anyway and had one of the best performances of his career. Bro, that guy's, he's elite. Yeah, he's tough. And training with Volkanovski. I know, only gonna make him better. Perfect. Yeah, for sure. What better guy, like, feeling strong, like animal, featherweight, that was like the king for so many years, won the crown again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stick around with that guy. He'll show you how to get up. He'll show you how to not get taken down. And Volkanovski, you know, he don't have much left in him. Right, so he's gonna wanna coach guys. Yeah, he's gonna wanna like pass it on. Yeah. And you got the perfect guy to pass it on to. He's got a great fight IQ. Yeah. Very well-rounded, too. Volkanovski? Yeah. Yeah, I think he's one of my favorite in terms of fight IQ. Yeah, he really grew on me. I didn't like him because of Max. You know, I was always rooting for Max, but, you know, he's earned my respect. That guy's just, he's good. He's good everywhere, too. He really is. The dude I got my eyes on the most is Carlos Prates. I got my eyes on him the most. He's so accurate. Dude, that's so accurate. That Jack Della Maddalena KO was crazy. Jack is so fucking good, and he's so tough. He's so tough. And you watch Carlos just tee off on him. He really did. It looked like target practice for him against such a high-level guy. He was having fun. I know. Ain't that the worst part? Dude, Morales is a savage, too, still. I know, but that fight, but save that fight. Morales versus Prates, save that fight. Yeah. Wait till it's ready. Not yet. It's like, don't pull the brisket out of the smoker just yet. Like, wait. I was telling Matt, I saw some grappling-like footage of Morales, and, I mean, he looked pretty fucking good. Well, he has a wrestling background, and if there's a way he's going to get Prates, it's going to probably be a combination of those things, because Prates just wants to stand. Yeah. Of course. And he's built like a, like, if you had an engineer, like a long-range striker. His torso's as big as all legs and arms. Bro, and he's so accurate. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. It may be hard to believe, but identity theft is the number one crime in America. Right now, millions of people are dealing with stolen accounts, fraudulent loans, and the exhausting process of proving who they are to banks, creditors, and credit bureaus. LifeLock helps you fight back. 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Are you thinking maybe he's a chain smoker or something that he's. Or he smokes cigarettes? Whatever, yeah. The fifth round, man, he had Ian in trouble. He's good, dude. And he hits so fucking hard. When he KO'd Leon, I was like, I know. Leon's good. He's a good guy. He's a good striker. To KO Leon like that, clean, was crazy. They got a crazy rumor. Was it a fight nerds they called themselves? Yeah, fight nerds. And Hoofty was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. He trains with them and he trains with other people as well. Like, Prates moves around. But he, you know, he had a giant Muay Thai record, rather. Oh, no shit. Yeah. Like, how many Muay Thai fights did Carlos Prates have? Like, world class. Like, I've watched a bunch of his just pure Muay Thai fights and the. The comfort level that he has in there, exchanging and moving and knowing where he's supposed to be and not to be, that, like, sensitivity that he has to, like, striking exchanges because of world class Muay Thai is such an advantage. Yeah, I would favor him if he fought Ian Gary again. Perhaps. Yeah, I would hurt him. Yeah, yeah. He knows he has to, like, try to get it on him. Yeah. Can't point fight him. Do you think that Islam's gonna just have his way or do you think Ian Gary has a shot there? He definitely has a shot. I mean, Ian, he's. So he had 20. 29 Muay Thai wins, five losses, so 34 Muay Thai fights and, like, high level, man. You watch him fight and you're like, okay, this guy, he can fucking. He knows where to be, where not to be, and he knows how to, like, piece people up, man. It's like, when you have that high level. We've seen it so many times with these guys that, like, world champ. Like Alex. See these world champion kickboxers, they entered to MMA, like, nobody has a chance standing with them. It's, like, it's too scary. Yeah. And that's what you're seeing with Carlos. It's like, fuck, man. Like, what he did to JDM, I was like, holy shit. I mean, he was having fun. He was just playing with him. Having a good time. I was like, what? Beating the shit out of the former world champion, having a good time. Just smashing him. Stopped him. Had him screaming from calf kicks. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas he went to his corner and they're like, no, ah, don't fucking scream. They're telling him to not scream. Yeah. Oh, you didn't just get kicked in the same spot six times. Yeah. Fuck you. You know how tough that dude is? His nose is on the left side of his face and you're saying, that guy, toughen up? Right. That's a fact. That was one of those, I had him when he was getting him up against the cage, I was fucking flinching. I'm like, here it, it's coming. Bro. Because you just, you know it's coming, but you just don't know where it's coming from. And those knees to the body are so nasty. Bratis is so nasty. He's so good, man. And he's getting better, too. Yeah. And now he's starting to do this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, he's feeling it. He feels like he's the best guy in the world right now. Yeah, I feel like he's the scariest guy in that division. I think so. He's the scariest. But it doesn't mean he's going to be the best. Right. The bottom line about Islam is no one's able to get away from him. He gets a hold of you, he's very good standing up now. His wrestling's great. And he gets a hold of you, you're at fucksville. He has a different kind of wrestling. Different kind of grappling. Well, if Ian can't keep him off of him, I don't see how he beats him on the ground. His submissions are fucking insane, too. He's just got a vice grip, man. I know. Everybody that he rolls with or everybody that he fights with, they all say, I've never been grabbed like that. Never felt anybody that strong. Who's that, Islam? Islam, yeah. I don't know if it's the same at 70, but he's so big, I can't imagine it's not. It's not like he's a little 70. Yeah, because he's tall. Fucking big, man. Yeah, he's got a good frame on him. I think he's going to be better at 70 because he's not going to be depleted. Because when I would stand next to him in the octagon when he was the 50, five-pound champion, I'd be like, how? How do you weigh 55? That doesn't even make any sense. You're 190 pounds right now. guaranteed if i put you on a scale you weigh 190 you're fucking so big i think ian's gonna make it competitive early you know like because he's got good footwork he moves side to side really good he's long but if he gets taken down twice and then it becomes a habit of him getting taken down he won't get back up he won't if but the thing is if ian gary can get off sharp combinations early he could stun him yeah because ian can move he's fast as fuck fast fast as fuck and he's super accurate and the way he throws his strikes is like real clean yeah no fat in his move everything's like like he's very responsible yeah he's not like a physically overpowering guy it's technique his technique is sharp yeah did you see his interaction that time with comes out yeah what are your thoughts on that there was a little too much of a pat on the back that's what the fuck i'm talking about i don't know wasn't wrong and i like ian i don't know against them but there's like a pat on the back where they're kind of halfway yeah yeah he went up to him like oh what do you think you're trying to check him what do you know you got oh you got something coming up oh you feel strong and there's a weird thing when you hit me a little too hard on the back yeah you know there's one there's a hug and then there's a slap slap yeah yeah where like there's a slap slap that's like a little aggressive trying to show some male dominance here yeah like you don't like me what are you trying to do you don't like me are you hitting me you feel like it feels like you're hitting me a little bit yeah it's like if you were if you hit a woman in the face like that you go to jail right you're hitting me in the back but if you like hey where's my fucking spaghetti and you double slap her in the back right now i don't even like from so many right hands if you see this little oh jesus this thing right here that's bumping out yeah it's broken i don't like yeah i fucked it up on shoni's head but i don't like when guys try to when you first meet somebody and they try to squeeze do i because i want to smack them right there yeah because it's i'm like because i feel pain with that shit another one what are we looking what no he's talking about the hamza no no no that's shavkat that's how dare you no it was uh jamie wasn't at a fight it was like yeah but i felt i honestly felt bad for hamza trying to make 185 uh from all that i heard before the strickland fight like he almost died to make 185 yeah when he made 185 when he fought strickland really yeah he was apparently thinking that he was going to go up to light heavyweight oh and they were even talking about him fighting yuri okay and so he was preparing like he was going up to light heavyweight and if you watch he's another guy who's got a great youtube channel he details all his training he was hanging out with that calavita guy doing a lot of cardio strength it's here it is like he he gave he gave him a thing like before that though i think it was like good job tonight good job and i think he slapped him on the back before that there was or maybe it was after i don't know what it was but it was enough so like he's fine now like they seem cool oh no no oh they're talking a little shit right here he gets pissed and pushes him he's a champion don't worry so yeah yeah well you know hamza doesn't well i mean that little squeeze on the shoulder bro yeah that was not necessary chechnya is not america right okay it does it come from chechnya that is a war-torn country and those motherfuckers don't play and the guy who runs it the guy who runs it is it's hamza's homie yep which is like okay so much so he lets him tap him out yeah it's ridiculous but that's how it goes you know you gotta do what you gotta do but i like the fight i think uh ian has a real chance i do too i think early he does but if he gets if he gets taken down repeatedly uh so he gets taken down he might just get smushed he might just get choked and smushed and choked i don't know he struggled with shavkat on the ground he did but again that's a couple of years ago it's not like he's not getting better i mean that dude yeah he's smart like he knows how to he knows how to get himself prepared super smart i just think he's got his edges on the you know on the feet obviously so i think that's where he if he's gonna win that's where he's i don't know why people don't like him i love him he also is awesome he also almost finished shavkat with a red naked show if i remember correctly does that really he did he did have shavkat back yeah he had his back oh i forgot about that i forgot about i mean he that was the closest anybody came to finishing he also fucked up shavkat's knee yeah he hit him with that oblique kick to the knee and that's the reason why shavkat had to get surgery really and he's had two surgeries since yeah like ian even made a post about it yeah damn so rude so rude this is why he had to get surgery he's like i think he had made a post i saw a post that maybe somebody attributed to ian but it was he it was his work i mean look it's a legal technique and he's really good at it and the way he throws it that oblique way sideways to the knee that's fucking devastating and he's long enough to do he just kind of yeah man for sure john jones style but he's like with his the way he could move in with combinations it's very hard to deal with but even he had to fucking grab mvps like i know right yeah even even him yeah even him yeah that's what i'm talking about where you can't hit them yeah and you're like what am i doing here well see but that's why i like ian like in terms like think about that like he's able to solve them problems like he says iq is so high he's beating guys like mvp and like the guys that other people and carlos protest uh-huh guys that other people can't beat very true very true look at that there it is right there that's it right there man can you back it up again so we hit it right here oh my god dude damn that's a fucked up look how bad that is that's it right there boom that in the wooden dummy that's a wing chun see there you go that's a stomp kick yeah it's real it's real wing chun works proof bro gary's no joke man he's fucking dangerous and that style of being that tall is so hard to deal with matt my short brother you know what i'm talking about dude let me tell you something especially little trolls like us they'd always try to latch onto my head yeah it's just so hard to even spar with tall guys because they can hit you from six inches further away than you can hit them that's a lot of space yeah you gotta come in behind that double triple jab i love the fact that you you can do anything and you should be able to kick to the knees i hate the fact that it blew his knee out we really haven't seen him the same since we i mean he's been two surgeries i think he had one fight after that right did he have one more fight he's had the fight he's had a what didn't he have a bad car accident or something like that did he yeah uh shavkat i thought so i don't know maybe i hope not or maybe it was just his family maybe i don't know i hope he's okay i just missed the guy in the octagon he's fucking good man shavkat was good it's just like one technique can change your yeah i thought he was coming back like trying to rehab from whatever from the accident like oh so it was the accident i thought that's i mean look he obviously well first it was it hurt his leg for sure for sure first he had acl surgery before that so he might have maybe that's maybe that's what happened maybe he redid it fuck dude that sucks he's so good but then again it's like this fucking sport waits for no one these dudes are coming up coming up you know what i'm bummed the guy can't do it cancel this weekend is ethan ewing oh yeah that kid's good he's so good yeah that was gonna be a good fight he came onto the scene and uh it was a short notice fight for three days maker at madison square garden yeah and well maker and well like he's having a hard well maker's having a hard time lately he lost his last one too and he's a better fighter than that so he's a young kid so we'll see the best from him yet but well he came out so spectacular well maker did he looked so good in his day and age he's a young kid so we'll see the best from him yet but well he came out so good in his day and age he's a young kid so we'll see the best from him yet but well he came out so good and he looks like he's you know and on the contender series he looks like he's he's really good but fucking ethan you know he's really good he's real good and he's another guy like we're talking about like these this new breed of guys like the san hagens yeah constantly switching stances constantly giving you different angles and directions it's like very hard to pattern them he's he on the counter card too right he was on oh yeah san hagen is yeah san hagen is fighting uh bautista yeah um but he was uh san hagen is fighting uh bautista yeah um but he was uh ethan was on the card and i think they pulled him off yeah he was uh the dude he's fighting was undefeated um what's there it is basarat yeah fuck and basarat's good yeah that's a really good fight he's tall rangy he like that would have been interesting yeah but the rest of the card can we see he's injured he'll be back but i like the fact that he's not fighting injured too because it's a pretty significant injury and so when these guys they say fuck it i'll just do it and then you have one loss and then that loss leads you to the next one you know your career can go down a weird road pretty good it's a very good card this is a good ben y and sandini and patty pimblitt right that's right and then connor max is on this one too right yeah there was he was going around that he was gonna fight josh hokett i was like please don't make that be true yeah but he's a minus 2500 robert whitaker and nikita krylov is good too man yeah that robert is going from 170 to 85 to now light heavyweight isn't that crazy and he's not he's not that big not that big no he's pretty short not even no six how tall is robert six feet tall yeah six so he's uh i mean he's a thick fella yeah definitely got to be walking around at like 230 or something like that but these guys are so tall and so rangy and that fucking nikita krylov guy can kick yeah he's legit 205 yeah he's cody still he was lighting up yuri in that fight before he got caught remember yeah he was lighting yuri up for sure yeah cody i i don't i think it's time too. Cody Garbrandt? Adrian Yanez, man. He went through a bad streak too, but that dude's very skillful. Very good boxer. Yeah, he looked good in his last one. What's Cody doing too? What is this thing on his eye? Is he angry that he's good looking? Yanez is, yeah. Yeah, he's got to doctor it up. The kids these days, they like face tattoos. Yanez is 450 favorite. Minus 450 is nuts. Cody's chin, man. He's just been too many times. Well, it's an age thing too. Cody's not actually that old. I think he's only like 33. How old is Cody Garbrandt? 33? No, he's got to be older than that. I don't think he's old. No, I don't think he's old. I think he started his career at 34. 34? Oh my god. See, I think he started his career really young. Dude, fucking Max. 35 now? Oh, July 7th. Oh, so next week. Max started, he was what, 19? This guy's still good. Right. Yeah, well you know when I interviewed them for the UFC at the White House, which is the most ridiculous thing in the world, I'm sitting there in this this like beautiful adorned room with like gold on the ceiling and shit like that, and on a chair with a camera in front of me, and then there's a monitor here that's Connor, and there's a monitor there that's Max, and they're arguing with each other. You won't lay a glove on me. There you go. There you go. It was crazy to see the two of them going back and forth. It's fun seeing Connor come back, man. I know, he's fun. I mean, he is the world's greatest shit talker. He cracked me up, man. He was cracking me up. I can't wait till fight week. He's the best. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah. Look, I hope he looks great. I hope it's a good fight, but you know, it's a tall order to take on Max Holloway after he was just the BMF champion. He beat Dustin Poirier. Yeah, he lost to Ilya, but like, you look at the wins that that guy's had in his career and how he's looked since their first fight. This is a totally different human being. Yeah. This is a world champion, like one of the all-time featherweight greats. I think if Connor don't knock him out early, he's in for a long night. Yeah. Max can fight with no weight cut. No weight cut. Max might never get tired. People are saying, like, oh, yeah, but what about moving up weight? I'm like, that's great for him. He don't have to cut no weight. Great for him. It's great for both of them. Listen, this is the future. I would hope. I would hope guys would abandon weight cutting. I really do. And I think the UFC should accommodate it by letting go of these ridiculous weight limits. Let's just find out what guys weigh. Let's find out what guys weigh and, like, have them fight. Have them fight it with their weight. Does one still do that? I mean, that was the way to go. Like, the way you went at the beginning of the year and then, like, this is where you're going to fight. I would run things like one because they also allow steroids, allegedly. I might have just made that up. I don't want to get slandered. I don't want to get sued. I don't think they. I think they have drug tests at one. I think it's, like, a multiple choice. Multiple choice. I want guys to take testosterone. None of the above. I want them to take peptides. I want them to take everything they have. I want to give them a hyperbaric chamber. Like, let's go for it. And then just release them. Yeah, release the hounds. I want the best fighting that's humanly available. The old fucking pride days. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. I want the enhanced games MMA bouts. Yes. But with Conor and Max, one guy, even in his prime, Conor's always shown signs that, you know, his endurance was never the best. He's a sprinter. And Max is, man, he's the guy in the last round, he's winning a fight. 30 seconds, he's pointing to the. Yeah, he's fresh. His fifth round is as good as his first round. Max's discipline is beyond compare. Like, that motherfucker trains hard. I mean, you might train just as hard, but there ain't harder. There ain't harder. The craziest one was when he put it on Calvin Cater and he was just talking shit. Yeah, we were there. I'm the best boxer in the UFC. It was so crazy. I was watching that cage side and him looking away, talking and hitting him was just something. Bro, how about Brian Ortega when he was fighting him, showing him how to keep his hands up. Oh, Jesus. He grabs him, grabs his hand and puts it by his head. No, do it like this. He can block it and then pops him with a jab again. Bro, Max Holloway's a bad motherfucker, dude. 100%. And, you know, I think it's going to be interesting to see. Look, Conor in his prime was elite. Conor Eddie Alvarez, if it's that Conor right now fighting Max, I'd be like, holy shit. Yeah, that's different. That's different. But can he regain that form? Right. We don't know. I mean, he's a special dude. Look at this. Just pop. Talking shit to him. Dana was losing his mind over there. There's also COVID, so you could kind of hear him, right? Yeah, 100%. Look at that right here. Look at it. He wasn't even looking at it. It was slipping shit. Look at this. Bro, he's such a bad motherfucker. Man. And if he starts talking to Conor like that in the middle of the fight and teeing off on him, if Conor gets tired, it could get rough. Look at his last fight with Dustin. The difference is, Conor, I don't give a fuck if he's 39. I don't care how old he is. That dude's got the touch. He's got the touch of death. And he's very accurate. He's accurate, and he's fast as fuck. And when he's sprinting, when he's sprinting, he moves quicker than anybody. And it's like, you can't do that for five rounds, but if he does it and cracks you, you're on fucksville. Look what he did to Aldo. Who the fuck's ever done that to Aldo? Yeah. That's the touch. Do you think there's any chance that Conor wrestles him? I think Conor might try to wrestle him a little bit. That's what Nate said. All of a sudden he wanted to turn into a wrestler. Because of the Charles Olivera fight? Maybe looking at that and then maybe seeing that that's what. I don't see that. I think Max has got to put it on him a little bit, and then he'll shoot, because he's not in it for war. That's going to get him even more tired. He did it in his first fight. He wrestled him. We say he's not in it for war, but he can surprise us, man. Like, you know, the humiliation of losing that second fight to Dustin with a broken leg and sitting there and having to go out for all the. Who knows how he responded to that? Obviously he did a lot of partying. We don't know what kind of training, you know? And if he really is still the Conor McGregor that had something to prove when he entered into the UFC, and he can get himself into that mindset and get through a camp with that mindset, who knows, man? I mean, he definitely focused his fuck when I was talking to him in the interview. That doesn't really mean anything until you actually see him move around. But if he really prepared himself correctly, he wants to make a stand and show that he can still do it, this might get wild. But if that's the strategy, fuck, man. If he's worried about his endurance already, or if that's a question, if that's the strategy, it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Max has got. Hey, how's the ground? Max's jiu-jitsu's gotten so much better. Look what he survived with Charles Oliveira. So it's not like he's going to take him down and just smoke him. Right. I would like to talk to Kavanaugh and see what was the plan. Like, what did you guys do? How long was the camp? Like, how did it start? What was he doing before the camp? Yeah, so I had talked to Laura Sanko, who interviewed Kavanaugh. Oh, okay. And she said that. He wouldn't say it, but he kind of alluded to that wrestling might be a part of the game plan. Well, that might be a ruse. Yeah. Yeah. That might be to lure. Because the way that Charles handled Max in the last fight was crazy. But also, that's Charles. Charles. Nobody else took Max down like that. Nobody. Charles is a fucking monster on the ground. Charles is Charles. He's so good on the ground, man. Max had to survive some shit that other people would have tapped. Yeah, a lot of people. And here's what's crazy. Islam smushed him. I know. I know. Right? Right? There's crazy levels to this sport. Yeah, true. Islam smushed him. I know. He got him to the ground. Made him look bad. Smush. He was tapping, like, immediately. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't getting out of this. I'm going night-night. That's how good he is. I mean, his. When he got Drew Dober in half guard. Oh, I know. When he got that arm triangle from half guard, he was like, dang, no half guard here. Yeah. This is just smush. Yeah. Pressure. That pressure's fucking phenomenal. Incredible squeeze. Like, he just cuts off the blood. Like, there's nothing you can do about it. That forearm grip Doris that he uses, do you fuck with that? I don't mess with that, but I know how powerful it is. Do you fuck with it, Matt? That was never my thing. The anacondas and the Dorises. Because we're short-armed little heckles. That's what the fuck it is. These are great for some things, but not for Doris. But it shouldn't be better for y'all because. Because, like, all y'all have to do is grip here. Yeah, I never tried it, though. But I did used to like the Japanese necktie for the same reason. Because the Japanese necktie, when you're funneling under for. When you go for that underhook on the left arm and you get it behind the head, you cinch down like this and then instead of trying to go all the way through and cinch it up as a Doris, you take it from this position with this lever on the back of the neck and you tuck the neck into your chest. Okay, yeah. And then you grab a leg. You grab a leg and you do this. Yeah. You, like, lean on this shoulder. So you. Once you cinch it up, as soon as you get this forearm behind the neck, the first thing to do is you put your left shoulder to the mat. So your left shoulder, you drop down the mat, and usually they think they're going to spin out of it, but you're trapping the head on the chest. Yeah, with your shoulder to the floor, right? There's a video of me. See, we could. There's a video of me showing it to T.J. Dillashaw. We're at the Onnit headquarters and I'm showing him how to do it. I've. It's great for short-armed dudes. Wait, you're on his back, you're saying? No, you're on the darts position, right? So he's got the underhook, you funnel under, you get it behind the head. Once you get it behind the head, you use this lever, you pin that down on the neck, and the first thing I want to do is put my left shoulder over on the top. So here. Oh, here it is. So here it is. So once you get to this position and you clamp, I want to put my shoulder down, and then his head is trapped. Ooh! Is that a neck crank? 100%. It's horrible. You're hipping in? Yes. And you usually grab a hold of a leg. You can just step over. It's right there. Jamie, back it up to where I'm showing it to him, and then I talk through it. Back it up a little bit. Yeah, there it is. Give me some volume. - You know how I'm doing this? - Yeah. - I'm going onto my left shoulder. - Yeah. - Sorry, sorry. Once you got this, if I hook this leg, I'm going on my left shoulder. - Yeah. - So I'm all the way sideways. - Okay, yeah, yeah. - So there's a tremendous-- - So you're hooking the leg even before you fall down, too. - Yes, immediately. I'm tangling up with him. - Yeah, because you won't be able to get it if you fall down before. - Exactly, so as soon as I cinch my hands together, I'm hooking a leg. - Yeah. - I wanna tie him up. - Yeah. - I wanna tie him up and I wanna get him in a position that he's gonna roll out of it like you would with a dars. - Right. - But you can't roll out of it. - You can't now that you already got the leg. - Exactly, also because I'm trapping your head in my chest. So you're just worried about me getting this, but I'm not even trying to get that. - Yeah. - I'm just getting to this. Can you give some volume right here? - Yeah. - Dude, that's a-- - You're not doing it. You're not doing it. - Try it again. - Let me see that again. - Would you get it? - I like when they put their legs in there 'cause I go, right, right, right, for sure. - See, people like when they put their legs in there. - That's what he was just saying. That's why it's like, it's really good. - That cranks that neck. - That Danny Castillo? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Going all the way to my-- - No, I'm sure you can. But that's better to get this wet. There's more pressure. - You very rarely see this in the UFC. And it's available too because also the gloves, they get in the way of certain chokes, like definitely rear naked chokes. It's so hard to get the hand in the proper position with the back of the hand on the head. - Does it matter which leg you step over? Like he stepped over the first, you stepped over the far leg when you did it. - The far leg's better. - Yeah. - You get better. You get better control. But it doesn't matter as long as you can tie him up and trap his head inside your chest. So once the head's in the chest, you're in a terrible position to defend 'cause it puts your head at this nasty angle. Like the moment your head gets to that angle, so TJ's showing like one of the ways that he does it. He's doing like a different grip. - I was about to say, his grip is different from yours. - He's trying a different grip. - He's got a hand doing that. - Yeah. - I like my grip better. Well, it's not my grip, it's Eddie Bravo's grip. But I like the grip better because you got the lever. So the thing is about having it go through. This lever, when you get this forearm on the back of the neck, that's a lot of power. - Yeah. - There's a lot of power that way. So if you see how I'm doing, I'm doing it like a little bit different. - And his is gone. - Well, yours too, you're all on his head and neck. TJ is cradling him almost. - So he did it that way now, like in that time. Now he's doing it the right way. That's nasty. And then once it gets in the chest, yup, trap the leg. He can trap either leg. The whole thing is just trapping the head. You just wanna make sure you have contact with his body so his left legs, or his legs rather, can't spin out. You don't want him spinning out. Because then his head's gonna get free. It's nasty. But it's just, I don't see it in MMA. And I don't know why. Because it's available when guys are trying to get the darts and they can't get it. Like there's a lot of times the legs are tangled up. And it's horrible. Because you have this lever. You remember when Khabib tapped Conor and everybody's like, oh, you didn't even, that wasn't even in. The choke wasn't in. - He was doing that same shit. But he was doing it across the neck on the back. - It's gonna break his jaws. - Fucking horrible. It's gonna break your neck, man. And that's what that feels like. But that's even worse, 'cause it's sideways. - And you got your body on it. - Yeah. But the worst that I've never seen in the UFC is the executioner. I don't think I've ever seen anybody get that rear, that, you know, you're in the back mount and you reach over and you go guillotine from the back. - Yes, yes, yes. - What the hell? - Somebody got set like that the other day. - Well, that was the Scottish-- - Oh! - Scottish Twister. - The Scottish Twister, yeah. - That's different. - The Scottish Twister's different. - Yeah, it feels like it. - Scottish Twister's a little different. It's still nasty as fuck. - You're leaning back, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's horrible in your neck, man. - Anything that attacks the spine and the fucking-- - Oh, they're horrible. But I think the executioner-- - My man couldn't tap fast enough, yeah. - The executioner's the worst, 'cause you've got rear naked hooks and you've got the head back this way and you're going like that. - Yo, that's-- - It's nuts. That's nuts. - Yeah. Now, that's a catch wrestling thing, right? - Oh, that? I don't know, man. That sort of started popping up at Tenth Planet, at least, like in the 2000s. Like 2003 or '04, Epstein likes to call it the executioner. But he wasn't the only guy doing it. Like, other guys had figured it out. So you're in north-south, which a lot of guys, you know, that was back in the north-- - Oh, God, I'm-- - Yeah, this is it right here. Bro, this is holy hell. When you're in rear naked choke position but you have the arm wrapped like that, the amount of pressure on the spine is just crazy. - Yo, that's-- - It's crazy. - You could paralyze somebody. - 100%. - Should I to a fucking-- - 100%. - Well, a knucklehead, they'll be fucking-- Make sure everybody's signed a waiver on that one. - But look at how nasty this is. Like, it's such a bad position to try to defend. You have no strength to defend it. - Yeah, that's a wrap. - Hell. - That's a wrap. - It's hell. And I don't see it in the UFC, and I don't understand why. I think it's available. I think some guys could get this. I mean, not always, but there's a lot of times you're trying to fight the rear naked choke, or you're trying to get the rear naked choke that the guy's defending. - Jesus. - And if you switch to something like this, if you could find a way to get into a position like this, you're not gonna defend that, man. - Well, the truth is that a lot of guys in the UFC, or in MMA in general, don't really practice jujitsu from that standpoint. They do anti-jujitsu because they think that their chances of winning a fight on their feet are better. So their idea is just like, defend the takedown, get back to my feet, or just use basic jujitsu. So stuff like this that's available to them, they don't know it, or they don't practice it enough for it to be instinctive for them to do it. - The fact that they're just trying to get up to their feet, that's the first problem. - Right? - Yeah, that's it, yeah. - Because look at Gilbert Burns versus Damian Maia. When he made him match his jujitsu a little bit, then he finds the opening. If he doesn't match his jujitsu, he'll use that. But then he has to move a certain way, gives enough space to get to his feet. - God, I gotta remember this guy's name. The guy who was the Bellator champion, who's from Ukraine, he's fighting in the UFC now. - Amosov? - Amosov. - Yeah, yeah. - Bro. - Yeah, Yaroslav Amosov. - What's that? - I knew that was the name, but I didn't wanna fuck it up, and I was panicking. - Yeah. - That's what I'm saying, it's not easy to, yeah. - Bro, you know when I really panic? Way in days. - Oh. - You look at my face, I'm in a hot panic. - I be feeling for you sometimes, stuff like that, he's gonna forget the name. You don't bring the paper up with you or nothing? - Should I have a shoe phonetically spelled on your paper? - I do, I have to. Not only that, I have to listen to these fucking names over and over and over again. - Fucking, some of that shit's coming. - And you know-- - Zabit Magumov, Sharapov, right? - And Anik gonna be mad at you if you mess it up. - He's so good at it. - I don't know how you do that. - You should be doing it. - Right? - I should just give the microphone name. - Yeah. - He'll introduce the guy, I'll just interview people. - Yeah. - He's the best at naming the names. - I do that all unfiltered. I go, "Hey, Jimmy, who do we have next?" It's a fucking crazy name. I just get the first name down. - Yaroslav is good, dude. - Yeah, he's good. - He's good. His ground game is so sweet. Did you see him fight? - Which show? UFC? - See, pull up his last fight. - Yeah, he beat-- - Like the second round. - Joel-- - Yeah, but go back it up a little bit so you can see the takedown. Watch how he does this. Look at how beautiful this is. Bro! - It's all in the hip. - I mean, right into arm triangle. Look at this. - Wow, that's a-- - Bro, and then he goes knee to the belly too. Just crushing him. - Did you see his setup for Neil Magny? - Yes. - Oh man, he's so smooth, man. - He's smooth. - He's smooth. - He's smooth. - Dude, he put it on Neil. - Yeah. - Yeah, and then he breakdances afterwards. - Oh, he breakdances. - Gotta have something. - Oh, actually, look at that, man. It's pretty good. - A little windmill. - Yeah, that guy can move. And that guy's really good. He's dangerous. - Old Sean Alvarez, he would be doing the windmill. - He has one KO loss. He lost two of them. - That was Jason Jackson. - Jason Jackson. - Yeah, Jason Jackson knocked him out. He just put it on him. Jason Jackson just murdered him. Just like ran across and beat him up. - Yeah, I was talking to Big John and Josh Thompson on the podcast, they brought him up, like that he's like the most unheralded, the most underappreciated of the guys that are out there. - Jason Jackson? - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's the problem when you're not in the UFC. - That is. And if the UFC picks him up, I mean, it's gonna be kind of late. - He had to dig through the rubble of his house to get his belt back. - Holy shit. - Jeez, that's nuts, man. - That's crazy. - That's nuts. - Put shit in perspective real fast. - Holy shit, dude. How bad did he want that belt? - For real, right? - I mean, this dude went back to a war zone to get his belt. - A Bellator. - His house got bombed. - A Bellator belt. - Christ, imagine if it was a UFC belt. - I don't love that motherfucker. - I don't fucking care. - That's so crazy. - With his Bellator belt. - That fucking dude's good, man. There's so many good guys now, it's crazy. It's just a wild time for the sport, man. - Yeah. - You know, I like Big John. You know one thing I don't like that he does? - What? - It always irks me. - What? - Big John McCarthy. I like, when I won the title, he was my guy. But I hate this. Man, as you fucking savages know, when you're in there, you're in a certain mindset. You've got a guy looking to do bodily harm to you. You're looking to fucking take him out, any way possible. If there's a foul or something, now you're in this mindset. So now you've got this big fucking guy. Hey, what do you see? You see ugly? - Making jokes. - Oh, oh. Yeah, oh, yeah. Okay, let me go back to this guy trying to kill me, Big John. Good one, Big John. What the fuck? Really? That's just a fake, Big John. You don't like him making jokes in the middle of a fight? - Hey, how about this? How about you go to the mothership, and you bring that to Tony? How about you put your name in the hat, you take the name out, and maybe you could use that on "Kill Tony." I don't like that shit. I mean, fuck that. Every time he does it-- - Oh my God. - There's something in me that makes me just be like, "Dude, is it about you? "What the fuck's the matter with you? "Good one, Big John, oh." And you see the guys do it. Sometimes you see the guys go, "Oh, yeah, all right. "Dude, fuck that." It's the same as the guy looking to give you a high five out there. Fuck that, too. That's boring. So I mean, I don't know, man. It always irked me, and it just stuck out when his name came up. And he's not a bad guy. Great guy. Love him. But how about this? Now that you're back reffing, make a note of that, maybe. Make a note of that. Put your name in a hat. This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. It's football season, and Uber Eats is delivering deals every game day. 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Yeah, like right when it was hot, it was hot, and they were like, yeah, point, point, point. Yeah, one point, and everybody was like, yes! Crowd cheered. That's how it's got to be. Okay, folks, that's the new rule. The new rule should be eye poke, one point. Don't poke eyes. You do this shit, and you jab someone in the eyes, one point. One point. Yeah, no doubt. One point. Right away, you know not to do it. Sometimes it happens. Unfortunately, if it happens, you get a point taken away. Don't let it happen. And you go back to your corner and go, make sure you don't do that again. Nut shot, one point. Unintentional nut shot. It's a warning. Because you could kick while I'm kicking, and you hit me in the nuts. You weren't trying to hit me in the nuts. We just collided legs. That happens. All the time. The rough one is the call is the back of the head when you're trying to put a guy away. Because he's moving his head. You're trying to hit him. It's hard, man. That's hard. That's hard. And that spot is a lot smaller than what most people think. Because we think about it, they just say the back of the head. So you're assuming that it's like anything back there. It's just a moho. It's just like a little small piece. Isn't that crazy, though? You kind of should be able to hit the back of the head. If everybody had the Odey Osborne haircut, it'd be okay. Just don't hit him in his hair. Bro, do you remember when Henzo fought, what was his name, Rikers? Ben Rikers? Yes. Spikers. Spikers. Ben Spikers. And it showed, if you're allowed to elbow the back of the head, the rear mount. When Henzo was dropping bombs on him and then stepped on his neck on the way out. Put him to sleep with his jacket, with his gaiter. I remember that. I love that. It was awesome. The beating he gave him before he choked him to sleep. The beating in the back of his head. Stop calling my fucking room all night long. The guy was being a prick before the fight. He was a piece of shit. Yeah. He did. What'd he do? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was calling his fucking room, trying to wake him up, had his people harassing Henzo. He was a dick, and that's why Henzo did that. Henzo went to greet him, and he said, "Oh, you have eyes like my girlfriend, but they're prettier." Or some fucking. So Henzo's one of those guys that he can go from a smile to a fucking boha in a few seconds, about to fucking throw it out. I mean, zero to 100. Real quick. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, and only if you're a dick. Oh, yeah. 100%. If you're not a dick, he's the nicest guy in the world. Yeah. Fuck him. Come on. That position just shows you, if you're allowed to do that. Yeah. This is. Show before that. Watch what he does before. Here it is. Here it is. Once he gets them back mount, watch this. Boom. Boom. Man. Bop. Bop. Bop. I mean, dude, that's a wrap. You can only take. Imagine if that was in MMA. That's great. Why. Now, here's the thing. Is that. And then his dummy has a gi on. Is that inherently dangerous? He steps on his dummy. Is it that much more dangerous? I mean, what we're doing is already dangerous. Right. Yeah. And it also is very effective. Yeah. So, are we removing a very effective technique that would end fights? And if so, are we doing it to protect the fighter? Because if we are, why are we allowing a lot of other stuff? Yeah. Why are we allowing flying knees? Right. Why are we allowing side kicks to the knee? Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Why are we allowing wheel kicks to the head? Heels to the head? Hey. Smack him in the face again. Yeah. Sure. Hey. Step on his neck. I mean, there's a certain amount of things that we already allow that are so bad for you. It's like, why don't you allow a shot to the back of the head? I need it explained to me like I'm a child. Why is it okay to slam your elbow full blast into someone's temple? Yeah, but not this spot. You could drive your elbow down into their eye socket. That's okay. But the back of the head is bad. But also, the back of the head's fine if you knock someone out from the back of the head, like you didn't mean to, like a head kick. Like how many head kicks wrap around with the back of the head? Right. Right. Wonderboy, and it's like his UFC debut. He goes over the shoulder, whack, back of the head, out cold. Yeah. That shit always works. The back of the head, round kicks. That's a lot of times where they land. It's got to be a title. It discombobulates you getting hit in the back of the head. It is a little different, I think. How many times, like Ernesto, who's knocked dudes out with back of the head head kicks in kickboxing? A lot. I mean, yeah. All the time. For sure. I think that's how he knocked dudes out with back of the head head kicks in kickboxing. A lot. Like Ernesto, who's knocked dudes out with back-of-the-head head kicks in kickboxing. A lot. All the time. For sure. I think that's how he knocked out Maurice Smith. I think he snuck it around over the shoulder and hit him in the back of the head. I mean, anatomy's going to dictate that. That's what you're supposed to do. So that's legal? No one says, that's an illegal blow. My overhands, that's where they hit a lot. Fuck them. I'm facing you. What do you want me to do? This is what is part of the sport, right? Now, if that's legal and you get a KO win, if you head kick someone and you land them in the back of the head, that's always happened. That's happened a hundred times. I don't know. It's weird, right? I mean, it's weird because, I mean, now we're playing with all these different rules and people don't like them. And it's just like, I mean, you've got to draw a line somewhere, I suppose. See if you can find Ernesto. So who's KO's Maury Smith? Less rules shows who's the better fighter at the end of the day. But there's some rules that I'm like, okay, but now you're getting an unrealistic understanding of a position. Like when someone's in a turtle and you can't knee to the head. Yeah, to me, that one should be eliminated right away. You should be able to knee a guy in the head from there. Yeah, watch this. Look at that. Shoot, there it is. Right at the back of the head? Yep. Watch that again. Is it in slow motion? Is that what it is? Watch how slick this is. Ernesto, who's such a beast. Look how close he is, too. Look at that. Oh, man. Boom. Crazy. See how close he was? Shoot. Crazy. That was like Billy Jack. Look at that. Bro. Yep. That is nice. So if that happened in the UFC, everybody would cheer. You couldn't say, hey, that's an illegal blow. Right. Even though, technically, that's the spot where they can constitute a legal blow. Yeah, that's illegal. Yeah. That's illegal. And wheel kicks happen like that all the time. All the time. All the time. Because it's coming from that angle from behind. Yep. Whipping around. The guy tries to duck under, hits him right in the back of the head, and no one complains. Yeah. It's weird. The referee never says, stop. No striking the back of the head. Never happens. Yeah. Ever. It's only when they're like turtled. On the ground. And they're throwing arm punches. Yeah. Which is the least powerful shot. Which is less powerful than a full kick to the head. But the reality is, if you were in that position and the guy could throw elbows to the back of the head, that would be a wrap. In that same position where you're on a guy's back. And you're doing this kind of shit. Instead, if you're just back of the head. Boom. Boom. Like Henzo just did. Hey, man. What about headbutts? Right. Headbutts. Not even standing up. Right. Like when I'm in a clinch and I'm buried in. It's good for short guys. Yeah. I fucking love you. No doubt. Coming up with your head all day. Bro. When I get in that clinch. Mark Coleman. Remember that? Mark Coleman would get in your guard and headbutt the fuck out of you. And the only guy to solve that puzzle was Maury Smith. Yeah, well. Maury Smith was the first guy to do that. He was the first guy to solve that puzzle. Ragged him out. Cardio. Cardio. Cardio and defense off his back. Good butterfly guard. Dude, Mark Kerr murdered Fabio Gurgell with headbutts, too. Bro, headbutts when you were on top is brutal. Yeah, I was at that Maury Smith fight. That was the first fight I ever went to. Really? The UFC fight I ever went to. It was in Birmingham, Alabama. Really? I was there, yeah. Wow. Bro, that was a huge upset. Yeah, I know. Big time. I was nervous. Everybody fucked Cole Maury. Did you? I was nervous. I was in the crowd rooting for Maury Smith for obvious reasons. Well, I was. And everybody, but I was the only one there rooting for Maury Smith, yeah. I was friends with Maury's. Maury's came over to my house, worked out with him. I was cool with Maury's. Nice guy. So it was like, I was sad. I was like, oh my God, Maury's is going to fight Mark Coleman. get killed. I was like, he's 260 pounds. He's a wrestler. He takes everybody down. And then when Maurice was leg kicking him, he said, come on, Mark. Ground me and pound me. Whap! Whap! He was talking to him while he was doing it. And then when Mark moved towards me, move away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got my back in. Those leg kicks were brutal, too. Maurice was the first guy to bring, like, world-class leg kicks to the UFC. Yeah. World class. Did the Lions then guy actually Pedro Hizzo? Yeah, Pedro Hizzo. Pedro Hizzo. Yeah. Paul Varlins. Yeah, he had sick leg kicks. What's the Lions? Pete, uh. Pete Selle? I mean, Pete Williams. Pete Williams? Pete Williams knocked him out. Who knocked him out first? I think Maurice beat him first. Yes. But Maurice beat him by decision, right? Wasn't it a five-round decision? I think it was a decision. I think it was a five-round he just beat him up. Pete Williams caught him with a kick. Yeah, Pete Williams head kicked with shoes on. Yeah, the good old day. That's right. He hit him with shoes on, yeah. Bro, what a crazy sport, man. I remember one of the first fights that I saw was this Japanese dude and Valigi. And they were grabbing each other's, like, underwear. Like, you could hold up. It was giving him a wedgie. I think the dude he was fighting, like, was literally grabbing his shorts and, like, giving him a massive wedgie, like, during the fight. Yeah. Totally legal. It was totally legal. In the UFC? It was bare knuckle back then, too. The first fight I worked was bare knuckle. That was 97. I remember that. Vitor was the only guy that had gloves. Was Vitor the first guy or Tank the first guy to wear gloves? Tank was one of the first guys, for sure. Tank might have been the first guy. I believe he was the first guy. And then Vitor wore them, too. Vitor was, you know, bro, at 19 years old, and Vitor first fought in the UFC. Tornado. I know. Trey Tellingman fight? Like, holy shit, dude. I mean, definitely pre-Isada on that motherfucker. A hundred. He looked like the fucking Hulk. Right? Well, not yet he didn't. When he first fought in the UFC, he only weighed 200 pounds. When he fought Scott Ferrozzo, when he fought Trey Tellingman, he weighed 200 pounds. Then he gained tons of weight and fought Randy. And when he fought Randy, he was like 240. And that messed him up, too. He couldn't move. Oh, he was too big. What if Randy got cut in that one, remember? No, that was a different one. That was in the UFC later on for the light heavyweight title. Where he hit his eyelid? Yeah. So this is Trey Tellingman. And Trey Tellingman, if you're watching this, lost his check and his peck rather in a car accident when he was a baby. That's crazy. Yeah, crazy. He lost ribs, too. Oh, this is Brad Kohler. This is a different fight. What is going on here? Japan 1997. Oh, yeah, but this is not, that's not Japan 97. It's UFC 12, actually. Japan 97 was when Frank Shamrock fought Kevin Jackson. Remember any armbar? Yeah. This was. That was pretty crazy. This is a different card. It's Ultimate Japan 97. UFC 12 is the fight. I was just going off on that. You remembered a number? Yeah. Randy looks older there than he does now. Peptides. It's not. It wasn't Japan, though. I just heard you say something about Japan 1997. That's all I typed in. No. No, there's a Japanese fighter, is what I said. He fought Waleedji. Waleed Ishmael. It was either UFC 12 or UFC 13. Waleed, Ishmael, UFC. If you find that, you'll find it. And the dude was giving him a super wedgie. You were totally allowed to grab shorts. You could punch guys in the nuts. Keith Hackney punching Joe Son in his balls. Yeah. Remember that? Dude, what about Gary Goodridge in The Crucifix? Oh, yeah. What about Paul Herrera? So here it is. Look what the dude's done to Luigi's pants. Luigi's pants. Jesus. All the way up the crack of his ass. Because the dude had a hold of his shorts earlier in the fight. Rather that be McKenzie Dern, he's giving the wedgie to him. Look at that. Look at that. Here it is. Bro. Oil check. Bro. Oh, my God. So this was my first UFC that it worked. Okay, so look. The Japanese guy has the gloves on as well. So Vitor had them on, but Waleedji is bare knuckle. Look, you're allowed to grab it back then. The Japanese guy has gloves. Waleedji's bare knuckle. It's hilarious. Isn't that crazy? He's really grabbing his balls. He's up there grabbing his nuts. I think you could. I think you could grab nuts. It's got to be so uncomfortable. And look how he's grabbing the fence. Full on grabbing the fence. And Big John's trying to pry his hands away. He just grabs them again. He just don't even let go. At least back then, I guess you couldn't grab the fence, so there was a rule. He's grabbing it again. Look at the grab. Look at the grab. That is the most blatant fence grabbing of all time. I see ugly right there. Bro. Big John. Get on it. John. John. Slap his hands away, John. Do something. John. Johnny's grabbing the fence. It was like a suggestion back then. It was not even a rule. You're allowed to grab the fence. I think he knocked his hands away. He was saying don't grab the fence, but only like a little. He's kind of not that enthusiastic about enforcing it. As he was letting go already, he was slapping his hand away. He grabbed it. That was the first UFC I worked. The rules back then were so weird. Shoes. Wrestling shoes. It's weird how you. Wrestling shoes would change everything. You get so much more grip on the cage. So much. So much more ability to move. But the wrestlers would love it. More foot locks. Yeah, that would be a problem. Oh, heel hooks would be a real problem. When I first started training, I remember with Kukuk back in the day, he used to wear wrestling sneakers and stuff. And I'm never being like, I wanted as much for the street as possible. I remember that was my mentality. So I'd wear the wrestling sneakers and I'm like, yo, fuck this. Guys are grabbing your foot. I'm like, yo, fuck that. It also like, you're setting up arm bars and stuff. Like when you try to grab the foot and throw it over it, now you've got a grip on something that's like text textile. Like you could hold on to that motherfucker. A foot is foot's hard to hold on to. They get sweaty and shit. They're all slippery. Nah, no good. When I hear Jens Polver, I was like, he gonna wear shoes? Oh, word? That was. Hey, Jamie, can you find Dean Thomas' rolling knee bar on Jens Polver? Oh, it was beautiful. I bet they don't even have that. I think Jamie can find it. Oh, it has to be online. Everything's online. Dean Thomas. Those fights? Those old fights? I mean, those are history. I'm a shooter fighter, you know. I remember seeing that interview because I was. You remember seeing it? I studied it because I was gonna fight you. Oh. And I'm like, ah! Try that knee bar on me, motherfucker. Jens Polver had some laser beam punches back in the day. I know. I remember when he knocked out John Lewis. Ooh, I was like, I gotta fight this guy. Sure, that was a bad one. Jens Polver crack. You got him in his prime, too. Yeah, but I did not want that guy punching me. Yeah, you can't be wearing shoes. It's just. Rolling knee bar. Yeah. It's just too much. Too much of an advantage. That was an old school one, too. You did it almost like you're gonna give your back to him and he fucking rolls. Yeah, he just rolls under him. I think you should let him win. Look at this. Look at this. Here it is. Look at this. Who is that fucking youngster? Look how lean you are. Oh, man. This is nasty. Inside heel hook in shoes. Inside heel hook with shoes on. That's a wrap. That's the worst. He has no way to. Tap, tap, tap. You should have tapped a long time ago. Dean Thomas. Oh, my God. That must have hurt. Dean Thomas. What did it feel like? Did you feel a bust? Oh, I heard all the pop. How bad was the injury? Oh, I don't know. I never called him afterwards, but. Oh, it had to be real bad, dude. It had to be real bad. With the shoes and everything. Like, my God. Look at that, Dean Thomas. Look how you rolled into that. That's so pretty. Look at you. Look at you. Right into the inside. Oh, my God. He knows he's fucks, Bill. Oh, God. I heard it pop. You mean, Dean Thomas. Yeah, I heard that pop a few times afterwards. That's awesome, Dean. How good does that feel? It feels good. I've watched myself get knocked out by BJ Penn over and over and over for years, so, like, about time I get one. Those heel hook ones are the ones that you. While you're watching them, you're grabbing the knees. Yeah, you know. You're already. I hate them. I hate them with a passion. Yeah, it is. Because they ruin your whole career. Hey, did you ever see a Kimura dislocate? Oh, yeah. That's just ugly, man. It's like, you almost want to push it back in. You're like. Frank Mir. Oh, dude. Dude, in a straight jiu-jitsu tournament, I'd snap the dude's humerus just, like, straight up key lock because he didn't tap. My coach is yelling, like, protect your fighter. Oh, Jesus. God, that's horrible. And you don't recover fully from that. Yeah, he had to get surgery. Sounded like a pool stick snapping. Ah, I'll never forget the sound of Weidman. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's like a chalkboard thing. Never forget that sound. I remember that. That one was so loud. I didn't work that. I wasn't in the. It was so loud. It was so loud. What are the chances Anderson does it to, you know, he does it to Anderson and then it fucking happens to him, too. That's crazy. Right. It's only happened to four guys in the UFC. It's scary. Conor's one. Corey Hill's the first one. Yeah. I remember the Corey Hill one because the referee didn't see it. And I put my headphones on. I'm screaming, stop the fight, stop the fight. He passed away, too, that guy. Stop the fight. Did he? Yeah. Yeah. Young. Was it related to that? No, I think he had some kind of disease. Some kind of, like, something with his blood. Bro, a break of a bone is a traumatic injury. Like, you have to understand, there's such a difference between breaking your hand, which I think we've all done. I broke my arm when I was a little kid. Breaking your shin in half like that, it's such a traumatic injury. Stepping down on it and it just gives out. How about Frank Mir? Broke his femur in a car accident. A guy T-boned him on a motorcycle. Snapped his thigh bone. But Frank wasn't the same for years. It took years for him to come back to full form again. That's rough, man. Rough. So this is the other question about Conor. How much can he use that left leg? His left leg snapped in half, okay? And I see him kicking the bag, and I see him doing all these things, and that's great. And I hope it's 100%. But, I mean— I've seen Chris Weidman kicking, heck, the lombard. They had a weird thing where I think it's only body punches and leg kicks. You see what I'm talking about? Oh, that jiu-jitsu thing? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that jiu-jitsu thing in Russia. But it wasn't jiu-jitsu. But it is. They do jiu-jitsu, too. Did they? Yeah. Yeah, they're allowed to leg kick and body punch. It was the oddest thing. It's the weirdest thing. I just saw Chris just kicking him in his body. And Hector was, like, punching him in the neck. I'm like, what the fuck kind of rules is this? It's crazy. I didn't know what I was watching. Those ones where the dudes, like, stand next to each other and just leg kick each other into submission. Oh, yeah. That shit's pretty nasty. Those are so—that's so crazy. Who does that? I don't know, man, but there's a lot of those videos. It's almost as dumb as slaps. Almost. Shit. I mean, kind of almost, because, like, you could really ruin your leg. Come on, man. You don't understand. Like, Pedro Hizzo, like, one of those kind of guys. Could you imagine, like, doing that with Pedro Hizzo? Look at the damage Hizzo did to Randleman's leg. That shit had a different vein pattern after he got done with him. Randy Couture. It was, like, six months for him to recover. Two fights with him. Earlier this year in an MMA fight. God damn, man. In a heavyweight fight. Oh, Jesus. Are we going out to eat later, man? Fuck. You're going to make me sick. It's a horrible, horrible injury, man. I hate those things, man. And I know how hard Chris kicks. Longo was, like, backstage. He was killing the pads. It was hard to hold them. That's such a great impression. And fucking, then he went out there, and Jesus. Rogan's making me feel bad for being 68. Oh, yeah. He was telling me. He's so funny, man. And then he was asking about a peptide. I have to text him later. He's the best. You two together, I swear to God, should be a show. Come on. It should be a show. Let's just fucking follow him around. Yeah, just follow you guys around. Follow you to the pizza place. I've seen him yesterday. It'd be a great fucking show. Are you kidding me? It really would. You get one of them keep it up with Kardashians people who know how to do a reality show, film the two of you guys together hanging out, drinking coffee, talking shit, training fighters. Oh, it'd be epic. Yeah. Epic. Don't wait too long. He's getting older. And also, think about how many guys you've worked with, like super high-level guys like Aljo and Merab and, you know. And Weidman. And Weidman. Being with them at the UFCs. Yeah. Are you kidding me? We have a good time. Who's best to have mics on in the corner? No one. Those two. Come on. You guys are the best. It's so funny. I like that comedians are making comedies again. I'm looking at Harlan. This is Harlan Williams. Yeah, Harlan. Will Harlan Williams. He put a gourd in his fucking underwear. I love that guy. Oh, my God. I think that guy's hysterical. With the fake legs. With the fake legs. He's so funny, man. His movie, you know, I love movies. His movie, Wingman. Wingman is funny. It's funny. It's a good movie. Of course it's funny. He's funny in everything he does. Yeah. I miss those. Him and Nasty Nate. Half-baked. You know what it is? These comedians are now funding it themselves. Like Theo Vaughn and David Spade did Busboys. Yes. And Tom Segura's doing a bunch of shows like that now, too. Theo and David Spade did one together. Yeah. Theo's real life Joe Dirt. So that's- You know, I like that they're just doing it where they don't have to get okayed by anybody. Yeah. And the other one, I keep- I know. Now he's telling them what to do. How to fucking be in a cult. How to start a cult. With the Greek guy. The heavy set Greek guy. Is that Stavros? Stavros? Yeah. That's a funny one. Dude. That one made me fucking laugh. Stavros is very funny. He's from Baltimore and he does a Baltimore Ravens fan after every win or loss during the season. Like, you have to fucking see it because it's fucking hilarious. Very funny dude. Yeah, man. I like this. It's a good time for comedy because this is like pushback. Yeah. You know, when there's pushback, then people get excited when someone doesn't give into it and they make their own shit. But if you want to try to make a comedy movie with a studio, you have to deal with so many people telling you what you can and can't say. You're way better off just doing it on your own. Like, they don't really know what funny is. They're trying to protect their job. They have a Mercedes. Man, they were cranking them out for a while there. Like, Talladega Nights and fucking Tropic Thunder. You know what happened? The fucking internet happened. People started complaining in real life. Like, you know, it started- These morons online started affecting- It started affecting the way people view comedy. So ridiculous. Meanwhile, it didn't affect the way we view violence, which is crazy. Like, you could have a super hyper-violent movie and nobody has a problem with it, right? Yeah, more now. It's the dumbest shit of all time. But if you have some crazy- Like, if you tried to make a movie like Superbad- It's fucking hilarious. Try to make that today. Couldn't make it. You couldn't make it. Or Tropic Thunder. Couldn't make it. Tropic Thunder. Couldn't make it. Fucking Robert Downey Jr. straight and bold. Straight and blackface. Couldn't make it. And then Ben Stiller, full retard. Come on. I asked him, I said, do you think- Robert Downey Jr. I said, do you think you could make that movie today? He goes, oh, you could make it. Yeah. Well, most of the 80s comedy is about guys trying to get laid. I mean, the premise alone is not going to make it. It's funny, man. It's like, we're allowed the most hyper-violent movies and celebrate them. Oh, this is awesome. It's awesome. Like, I just watched Collateral again the other day. Oh, what a fucking love. That's an awesome movie. We watched a scene in one of the episodes we did. We watched that scene where he shoots those guys in the alley. In the alley. And I got so into it, I go, I need to watch that movie again. Fuck. Yeah, sick movie. But hyper-violent. Yeah. And a movie that everybody says is a wonderful movie. Yeah. Really good. But comedy. Really enjoyed it. Let's make you laugh. Yeah. But doesn't it like, isn't it like spoilers, like, I don't want to spoil it, but like, doesn't the other, doesn't Jamie Foxx kill him or something at the end? Well, in the end. In the end, he dies. Well, I mean, he dies somehow, but like, isn't it like kind of unbelievable that he kills the master assassin, the taxi driver? I think like he wanted to die. I think when you kill a bunch of people over a long period of time. Oh, it's one of those? It's deeper than that? I didn't see it. You wait for your turn. You know, it's supposed to be Russell Crowe and Adam Sandler in that movie. Whoa. Originally. Are you serious? Yeah. That's crazy. Interesting. I think one of them dropped off. Yeah, right. That's interesting. I'll tell you what, Tom Cruise was good. Phenomenal. He's pretty much good in that. Dude, they say they used that clip of him in that alley for training, like CIA motherfuckers. Because it was that clean. Do you know the scene? No. Oh, one of my favorite scenes in any movie. Jamie, pull it up. One of my favorite scenes in any movie. Two idiots. I love a good tactical draw, because I love a guy who practices. What's the, it's underrated. It's a fucking, it's a live, die, repeat. Yes. The Tom Cruise one. It might have been called something else. Edge of Tomorrow. What is it? Edge of Tomorrow. Yes. It's a space ride. It was really good. It kept coming back, coming back. This is a scene. So Jamie Foxx is strapped to the car. He's zip-tied him to the steering wheel and took the keys. Wow. That's fine. But you can't have a bunch of guys trying to get laid. Yeah. That's unrealistic. You're sending a bad message. Spring break. I never thought of it that way, actually. It's ridiculous. The comedians rebuttal to it, to not being able to make the movies they want to make. Well, it's only empowered the clubs. Like, clubs are packed. Yeah. Everybody wants, because you go, like, you go to the mothership, you're going to hear some wild shit. Right. People want to laugh. They don't, nobody, it doesn't mean you mean what you're saying. Right, right, right. What the fuck? It's a joke. Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. Right. Okay? It's like, what you're doing is fucking around. Yeah. And we all know. We've always been talking shit. Talking shit has been a natural part of humans. We talk shit. We joke around. And the idea that that's supposed to be up to someone else. Up to someone's standards or someone else's parameters of what you can and can't talk. Fuck you. Fuck you. Just don't go. Just don't go watch it. Tom Brady roast kind of brought it back. In a big way. Yeah, in a big way. Yeah, the Tom Brady roast, I think, cracked the egg. Because that thing got, like, 55 million views on Netflix alone, like, within the first week. Joe, can I get that water, please? Yeah, sure. Are people still getting canceled now? I think it's kind of passed. I think it doesn't work. You can't, because everybody can just put your own stuff on. Yeah. You can just do your own stuff. Well, it's also when people get canceled, people just flock to those people now. Yeah. It, like, makes them more popular. Yeah. You know, look at Kanye. Kanye is selling out the biggest fucking places in the world doing pop-up shows. Yeah, yeah. He's doing arena pop-up shows. Yeah, he just did one in Miami a couple weeks ago. My son went to it. It was, like, crazy. He's doing one this weekend in San Antonio. Really? Just a pop-up show. Tony Hinchcliffe just went to the one in Tampa. He said it was insane. Yeah. This is the greatest show he's ever seen in his life. He's on top of a world. He's, like, standing on top of a globe. And, like, it's spinning while he's up there doing two and a half hours of bangers. Yeah. Like, you realize, Tony goes, you realize how many hits this guy has. Who is it? Kanye motherfucking West. Oh, Kanye. Shit. Otherwise known as Ye. Yeah. That's right. Yeezy. Yeah, no one wants to do a versus battle against Kanye. No. He's going to eat you up. He's so prolific. Yeah. And, like, Tony said that, like, every aspect of the show he produced. So every sound has, like, a purpose, every lighting effect. It's all coordinated. He said it's amazing. He's, like, a genius. He's a genius. Legit. Crazy as fucking a shithouse rat. But that's how you have to be. He's out there. I mean, but most creative people. 100%. You know, they're coming from a different. You don't get that good by being normal. Right. Like, he's too good. But, I mean. Normal's overrated. The guy comes back from wearing a diamond-encrusted swastika to selling out the biggest arenas in the world. He has a song called Heil Hitler. A year later. He's selling out the biggest arenas in the world, like, instantaneously. Do you know? He's the GOAT. Like no one's even close He's like one of the greatest performers of all time Yeah Like no one's even close Like with the stuff that he does Like you can compare it to his contemporaries Like he's out of it Yeah he's so far ahead of everybody else Out there Prince was like that too All the hits he had And all the hits he's written for people Yeah man When that Freddie Gray shit happened in Baltimore He called the city And wanted to do like a benefit concert or whatever And I was able to go to it And at one point on the stage He's doing all these songs And he goes God damn I forgot all the good shit And then he kept going But the best story was on Soundcheck Like he tunes Everything's got to be the way he wants it And Jay-Z, Beyonce And somebody else I don't know who the third person was But they were going to come and be part of it So they asked him if he could come He's like yeah sure So when they came They started to go on stage for Soundcheck And a friend of mine at the building said Prince is like whoa What are you doing up on the fucking stage And they're like oh you know We want to get our shit straight And he goes no this is my shit You want to come and be a part of it Fine if not Get the fuck off the stage Whoa And they walked and left And got out of there Well you got to be careful with other stars Because they do like the metal Yeah I want it like this I want the lighting And that dude You know shit was getting done How he wanted it done 100% it has to be He was too good Yeah he's a fucking genius I remember that guitar solo he did At the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Oh my god He could do anything Yeah He could play any musical instrument He used to play all the musical instruments Did you And he could play basketball Yeah Yeah Did you watch that Michael Jackson I didn't Michael Jackson I saw it Did you watch it I did yeah How was it I thought it was good Ray liked it You didn't see it yet I didn't see it Oh it's good No it's good But Longo watched it No it's good And then he told You know what he told me What I mean I mean It's a good thing I guess After he's seen it He goes He didn't touch any kids Oh I'll tell you right now He didn't fucking touch any kids So I'm like What Longo So that's all So I want to know Your thoughts on it That's hilarious Nah Cause like His father was fucked up Yeah his father was fucked up Nah it's a good movie And the guy who played it His nephew nailed it Yeah man Nailed My family loved it My wife My kids They loved it I didn't see it though It's a cautionary tale The Michael Jackson story Is like When kids get that famous No one can handle it That's what that is Yeah There's also the weirdness Of the doctor saying That he was chemically castrated His doctor The same guy that killed him The same guy that killed him With the profenol The guy that put him to sleep With anesthesia That guy said That when he was young His father chemically castrated him To preserve his voice Are you serious Yeah They didn't get into that part Which totally makes sense When you look at him In comparison To all the other guys In his family You know He's really thin Like he has no testosterone Yeah Never really thought about that All the brothers Are all big men They're men Like you look at Jermaine For sure They're big men He's really thin And he kept that High pitched voice Like when you listen To some of his Like human nature Listen to human nature Like that voice is insane Yeah We can't play it on the show But Jamie Play human nature By Michael Jackson Real quick Why did Why did Varys get plump On Game of Thrones When they cut off his balls Well I don't think that was real Oh yeah I mean There's also dragons in it You can still get fat But you can't You You know You don't get muscle Like you don't have any testosterone It's gone You're a eunuch They probably weren't Feeding that guy either To keep him thin So he could dance Right Oh man Well also he's probably Performing every night Every night So he's burning off Shit tons of calories If they put a Fitbit on that dude The amount of steps That he's taking Dude it's pretty crazy Like a front man For a band Fucking running They're doing all night long Here we go Let's play We're gonna play this song Human Nature Ooh the official music video Oh man So that voice You I don't think you get that voice From a man No But how do you A regular man How do you That has a testicle How do you castrate somebody The same way that they do it With puberty blockers That they use on kids Just like pills and stuff No Like when you're When they do puberty blockers That's what puberty blockers do Yeah What they're doing Is they're just blocking All of your testosterone production And so they used to do it To criminals So if they had a sex offender That was Put them in jail They would chemically castrate them I'm all for that Yeah Chop their dicks off Just eliminate them We just eliminate them Yeah man They should be eliminated But the The chemically castration thing They used to do with opera singers They called them castratos But not chemically castrated They used to use a knife They used to chop their balls off When they were young Damn So that they could sing Like Like a woman It was a very haunting sound Like there's only one recording Of a castrato That's from like Jimmy when was it from Like the 1800s Yeah really There's one recording Of a guy singing That had no balls And they do it to them When they're really young They do it to them When they're kids No kidding Yeah like your family Sells you off to some opera And they slice your balls off And keep you that way forever Man Crazy Damn Yeah And the sound Find that castrato recording The sound is haunting man You hear the guy singing And he creeps you out You're like Oh my god This guy was a little boy And they cut his balls Off so he could sing like this Oh that's so Ugh Yeah And I think that's what They did to Michael Jackson Well at least that's what The doctor says It makes sense to me I mean it makes sense Like even watching a movie How hard his father was on him And how much he demanded of him Oh man You're gonna creep us out now Listen to this guy's voice Okay Oh Jesus Christ Ugh That's depressing But we know that That was an actual process That was an actual practice They really did Chop boys Balls off So they could sing And they could sing better Went from happy human nature To sounding like Some funny He was fucking dying I know it's really nuts If you think about The horrible things That people were willing to do It's not disproving it or anything It's just the guy saying He went to search Where they were doing it And I think he said He was having very trouble A lot of trouble finding A lot of information About castratos Yeah and where they did it Or how they did it But they hide that Yeah I was gonna say probably I was chopping nuts off Oh yeah Let me take you to the lab We'll show you What we do with the balls Are you doing those peptides? Many eunuchs were castrated After puberty And thus castration Had no effect on their voices Oh that's a eunuch though But that's just The puberty Oh after puberty then Yeah it wouldn't make a difference Right So you gotta catch them young Makes sense Yeah right Ugh You gotta catch them Before they Grow their nuts That's so horrible Ugh It says it goes back to 480 But Boy Constantinople Boy Who Who's Who Who came up with that idea? I have an idea I mean how many of them died From an infection From getting their nuts chopped off You know Probably a lot You know Back then they didn't even know What fucking cooties were They had no idea Yeah they didn't clean the night The night Yeah No Disgusting It started off as a punishment It wasn't a choice And then they realized These guys sing really nice In prison It's kinda cool They sing in the shower I really like it Whoa Mine Gentlemen This was a lot of fun As always As always We always have such a good time Hell yeah Matt how you feeling? 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