Josh Bruni: On EMF Mitigation, NFL Stadium Controversies & the Impact on Reproductive Health

If you want to have Wi-Fi in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that Wi-Fi signal is as clear and clean as possible. The better the signal, the less the MF, because the less complex the field is. Our environments now, because of convenience, have become highly toxic. I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields, but we do know that on a daily basis, that it does introduce stress into the system by creating uniformity in this field. The body has harmony rather than this just widely changing constant environment. It's having to shift its adaptation less frequently. Area's approach was how do we control the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing? What benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of the SCMF? The one thing that I would say is again going back to the physics side is. [Music] Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, Human Biologist Gary Brekho, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Now buckle up, because today's episode is going to blow your mind, and it might just explain why you're exhausted, why you can't sleep, and why your body feels like it's aging faster than it should. My guest is Josh Bruney from Aries Tech, and we're diving into one of the most overlooked health stressors of the modern era, electromagnetic fields. Now before you roll your eyes and think, "Tin foil hack conspiracy theory, stay with me." Because what Josh is going to explain has nothing to do with blocking EMFs or wrapping yourself in a Faraday cage. In fact, he's going to prove why blocking EMFs actually makes your exposure worse. In this conversation, Josh is going to reveal why your body is an electrical being, and how EMF disrupts ion channels, calcium gating, and ATP production at a cellular level. The physics breakthrough that changed everything, it's not about power, it's about chaos, and over-lacking electromagnetic fields. Why airplanes are the worst EMF environment you can be in, and what frequent flyers need to do immediately after landing. Align disease connection. Why people with chronic illnesses are hypersensitive to EMF fields? Pay special attention to when Josh explains why your body conducts electromagnetic fields, and interprets them as noise, disrupting every biological process from sleep to mitochondrial function. Let's get into it. Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultraman human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brekha, where we go down the road of everything, anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Today is going to be one of those in-between conversations you're going to absolutely love. We have the CEO of Aries Tech, Josh Brooney, on the podcast to talk about everything EMF, and clear the air, if you will, on EMF. Dude, I actually like that as a tagline, dude. I think I should get, I could do percent customary referral fee for that one, but talk about everything EMF, and we're really, this is going to be a phenomenal podcast. It actually started in my kitchen before we actually came into the podcast room, like so many of my podcasts too. You're really going to enjoy this one. Welcome to the podcast, Josh. It's great to see you. I'm pumped to have you too, man. It's a long time in the making. It's been a long time. But I'm super excited to be here. It's walking around the space has been like, it's like Candyland. I don't know if that's right. I don't want to. If you're a biohacker. Yeah, I really want this chocolate. I don't know what it is, but it's, it was inspiring, and I could just, I just wanted to lay in the beds. I just want to do the things, right? Like we'll do the podcast. I did. I got the one in Versace. Yeah. But, man, I just, as we talked in the past leading up to this, I'm just a big fan of the work and the message and like, I know it's hard. Like the burden and the challenges and the resistance, but then the payoff, right? Like that feeling when you have those moments, you interact with people that you've deeply impacted. That's what keeps you going. And I feel similar in my journey here. And so do people to bring this together and actually have this conversation is a real pleasure for me. That's really kind to you, man. Thank you so much. I mean, you know, I've been really interested in the in the world of EMF. I certainly don't profess to be an expert in it. You know, a lot of biohacking now is centered around just getting us back to the basics. It's like, it's actually mitigating our modern environments. You know, the same thing happens with, you know, our highly processed foods and, you know, water having fluorides and chlorines and, you know, regulating our lighting and regulating our air temperature and our environments now because of convenience, have become highly toxic. And I always use the adage that, you know, when a fish gets sick, the first thing we do is clean the tank. And I think this is really applicable to EMFs because it's funny. I find that people fall into two camps. That's complete hogwash. It doesn't exist. You know, that's witchcraft and you're making it up. And like, oh, no, no, no, no, I have a relative that this happened to. I've experienced it. You know, I'm mitigating my EMFs and, and, you know, this weird unexplained sickness that I had got better. And, and I'm in the camp of this is a part of cleaning up our environment. And I'd love if you just, for my audience, talk a little bit about like what are EMFs? Where are they coming from? You know, and why should be be worried about even mitigating them? First of all, I love the setup there because I think what you did is you grounded it in something that people already understand. We've already been on this journey in a health and wellness now. For quite some time of like really just kind of getting back to like our ancestral health. And I know that's even actually a word that people use frequently. And, and I'm just saying it from a fact of like our bodies enjoy what they were built to do. And the more that we can be thoughtful about curating that, the better we thrive and we live. And so at, at areas we call that environmental clarity. And when we talk about it, we're talking about the electromagnetic fields and environment that's around us. And so, really, yeah, the tank, essentially the water of the tank. It's a great analogy. And I think I agree with you because we deal this every day like people are super polarized on this. Again, no pun intended on that. But it made it funny. It made it funny. But no, that's, it's interesting how divided people are. And my hope for this conversation is that we can close that gap with factual information. I don't think that we need to stretch it out to the to the ends of all the different possibilities that could occur. That the scientists are still debating. We'll just let them keep debating that. But what we can talk about is what we do know for sure today. And what does that mean for human health and in longevity and all the different elements of just living a good good life? And EMF, in my opinion, I'm biased obviously, but I would love to see the conversation with EMF become a foundational health and wellness practice. We talk about food and and water and sleep and stress. Air. Air. So on all these different things, movement, I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields that again, I'm not going to say they're going to do all these very extreme health outcomes. But we do know that on a daily basis, on an immediate basis, that it does introduce stress into the system. It's measurable and it's immediate and so definitive. It's an undebatable part. And so to me, I think having that conversation and starting there and saying, okay, we can talk about what is EMF? How does it work? All those things that really draw down to what is happening when you get to this, I don't know, this, this fusion of man and technology. What's happening at that point? We can kind of, we can talk about that. But to me, I think it should be one of those pillars because it is actually something that we need to be thinking about. Yeah. And I would say those that are in vulnerable groups, whether you're trying to conceive, already pregnant, having kids, there's a varying degree of effect that happens to all the different populations. And I just think it's something that I should pay attention to. And the last thing I would say is like, I think what I'm excited about this podcast is I think this is going to be one of the biggest long-term evergreen podcasts that you do because of how controversial the topic is. And I like to find those gifts. It affects everybody on the planet. Like really nobody can escape it now. Even the tribes in the Amazon, wherever they are. It's in our atmosphere. Now it's obviously not going to impact them nearly as much. But my point is, is billions of people are affected every day. And billions of people have questions and an intuition that something is off in their environment. And that's what I think we can address today. Well, what's really interesting is what is big in the news right now is the 49ers. And their stadium and their practice field is in close proximity to this massive power plant. And my podcast director actually showed me right before we walked on the podcast. He showed me like an aerial view of it. And you see the stadium and you see the practice field. And then you see this massive power plant. And for what the last 10 years, and I don't want to misquote this because I only brushed through the article. But for the last 10 years, they've led the league in very specific kinds of injuries, mainly ligamentia injuries, like Achilles heels. And so it's very much in the news right now. And when you have a large group of athletes practicing consistently in the same location, [BLANK_AUDIO] coming up with the same injury that practice elsewhere and don't have the same injury, I am not saying this is causal, I'm saying it could be correlated, right, just to be hyper specific. But it's really interesting how this is just, you know, really coming into the news because, you know, the team's gotta be looking at this and going, well, could this power plant and all of this EMF potentially be what's causing, you know, us to lead the league in injuries for a decade. Yeah, it's a great place to start because I think it's a great way to bring good information and factual information to this, the physics side of it, right? So I would say on the physics side, and I've been following this, we've had a lot of people, you know, contact us and I will also say that the NFL from a pro sports standpoint is probably one of our biggest customers across the board, like we're quite honest, I think it's so, it's definitely top of mind. And you've, the other thing that you've seen in, in kind of the 49ers, the biggest customer in the NFL can't say any of that stuff. But my point is, like, NFL players are thinking a lot about this health and I think where they're, or the effect of EMF and I think where that's coming from is from a lot of different places. Again, I think that they're doing a good job but they're probably starting from a place of like neurology and like, how do I improve certain things or help certain things, maybe rest, relaxation, sleep. And in this particular situation, there's a, I wish I knew the author's name of the paper because he deserves some credit for at least drawing some connections, whether it proves out to be, you know, causal like you said or just correlation. I still think it's worth noting just for the fact that the conversation has started. And on a side note, when my wife and I back in probably 2000, 2001, we're looking to buy our first house. Right before we signed the paper, they said, "Hey, by the way, we're gonna build this substation behind this house." So you have to sign this paper to say, "You knew that already." And we didn't buy the house. (laughing) - And now you've come full circle in your meeting. - 25 years later, here I am, like it's wild. So back then, in totally my wife was like, absolutely no, right? And I don't know why, but like, come on. - Right. - I think to start with the physics side of this conversation, the one thing that I hear a lot of is the EMF coming out of that type of environment is in the Hertz range. It's not in the extreme megahertz, gigahertz, and so forth. And so people are like, therefore it's safe, because we'll use different tools and instruments at those ranges for healing and things like that. So, but that is where the initial problem starts with this conversation is, it isn't about the energy. It isn't about peak energy. It's about complex overlapping fields that create massive amounts of interference. And to the body that's perceived as noise. And it's perceived as signaling noise. And so you know this and you'll speak probably better that's than I will, but the number of processes that rely on electrical signaling and timing is basically your whole system. - Which is the only way that nutrients enter in eggs itself. I mean, that's also a lipid bilayer is permeable because of these charges. - Because they charge us. You're talking about ion gating and calcium ion gating and calcium ion gating is super sensitive to EMF. And the reason why I start there is like, those are facts. These are the parts of science and the medical field and biology that are not debated. Is we know that EMF, especially noisy EMF, disrupts signaling. And so starting to the point of on the biology side, the body's electric. So for those that are watching that don't know that, obviously, everyone in your audience already knows that. - No, no, no, no. - But a lot of people don't. They understand that your body works, your heart generates power and your brain uses the power and it's sending information. And a lot of this is timing. The endocrine system is super timed with multiple parts of the body. All sorts of timing occurs. And so when you introduce this energy, regardless of the power, the complexity and the interference and the noise is disruptive. And so it isn't about the power, isn't about the fact that it's 50 hertz. The size of that substation, by the way, it was massive. - It was massive. It was like what, four, five, two, three, five? - I'm actually gonna go down the rabbit hole of this. - Yeah. - Because, you know, I mean, the NFL, I mean, they've been talking about this for years, the one thing they would mitigate if they could or don't contact injuries. - Injuries, you know, I mean, you can't do much about trauma, right? - Yeah. - And if your foot's planted and somebody, you know, tackles you from the side, you're gonna have injuries. It's gonna go with the sport, it's gonna go with any sport. But if you can limit the number of non-contact injuries, you know, like a player on the sideline that blows an Achilles heel, being whistled into the game, not being tackled. I mean, I'm gonna, I probably will do a whole podcast on this, but yeah, I'm very interested. So you're saying it's, we're starting from the area that's non-debatable. There are electromagnetic fields, or and these fields are disruptive, and your body does respond to them full stop. Now, to the extent that they are leading to specific ailments, there's no direct causal relationship, but again, these are non-natural. - Yeah, I actually, as a, we are a publicly traded company. So I have very limited things I can say when I say this outcome is possible, this outcome is possible, or this is a matter of fact, I can't say those things, and that's probably good, 'cause it's forced me to be more disciplined and thoughtful about how I explain these topics. And I think in this situation, I don't think when you look at the electrical signaling that takes place in the body, just from like a fundamental first principle standpoint, if you even start from, let's say the reproductive system, we know that number one for the males that's outside of the body, and it's sperm and the, that the whole system is hypersensitive to EMF. We already know that. We know that fluid, we know that water is. That's something you can test at home. Like you can look at a microscope and see how water changes structure in the presence of man-made EMF. You can see that in blood. So you can see clumping, clustering in blood. There's no questions. These are not questions anymore. Yeah, when I talk about grounding and repolarizing cellular surfaces, I've actually done these tests. In fact, I made Max do it. I've made Max my guinea pig. And I would break his finger, put it on a slide, show it in real time, and show how the blood, like a roulette, they stack. Because on the surface of all of our cells is a charge. And when the same charge cells don't touch when they're opposite charges, they attract. And using a PMF mat, or touching the surface of the earth, like grounding, discharging energy. Discharging the energy that low-guys field. Yeah. So it didn't mean interrupting, but I know, but that's the point of like, the body runs on electromagnetic fields. Like it runs on that. And to kind of back up, even say, well, what are electromagnetic fields? Electromagnetic fields are the conditions that are created by electrical and wireless technologies and systems. And as they're transferring this through the air. And I think to clarify one thing for a lot of people is, we think that they're like beams. Like you see the antenna when you drive by, and you had your cell phone, and it's beaming me information. That's not how it works. It's better to think of it like your fish tank examples, actually a better idea, is like, it's all around us and it's a cloud. It's a cloud. And when it's a structured cloud that's highly modulated and tuned for specific functions, it's hyper noisy, which means it's chaotic, meaning overlapping fields. And there's like as it's complex. And it's unpredictable, is the better way to say that. And so the, again, don't torch me on this, but I'm not a communications expert, but the idea is that you're not sending like a straight line of information to my cell phone. It's within that cloud, a change occurs at the source, and the same change is occurring at the receiver. And through this connected field, the information is then connected because they coupled together. And the body's coupling nonstop as well. Again, kind of going back to the gut, the brain, right? That connection is similar, also very much disrupted by EMF, for the exact same reason. So now the other thing to understand about field, is everything within that field becomes part of the field. So like humans, buildings, plants, animals, you all become, everything becomes part of the field. So if I'm in the field, I'm now diffracting and deflecting and reflecting part of it. I'm also then absorbing and conducting. And so our bodies are basically constantly listening to their environment and interpreting, and then adapting and compensating. And I think the, where EMF now enters that, is you're in the field, we just established that, we just talked about that. And you're conducting, 'cause we're conduction engines, essentially. - Yeah. - We can even talk about the word electrolytes and why it says electro, because that's conduction, right? And you're putting minerals that change to ions and then carry-- - Conduction, yeah. - For all these things are connected. And so we just ignore the fact that it's electrolytes, and not thinking that it just became a word, right? - Yeah. - No, it didn't know what it was, it just didn't mean a word. The point is though, your body is using all these mechanisms to conduct. So now I'm in this field, I'm conducting, my body's trying to interpret this complex, noisy chaotic field that's constantly changing, it's unpredictable, right? Your body likes constant, predictable, coherent signals. - Agreed with that. - And so the rest of your stuff, systems are just, it's, what do I do with this? What do I do with this? The ion gates are getting stuck open or they're slow or they're sticky, which then creates extra energy expenditure when you talk about the mitochondria and the effect on the ATP production because they miss the timing. So it requires extra energy. And so, I'll stop there, but that's where I think the conversation should start. It makes it easier to be able to understand, I'm not talking about extreme health outcomes. We're just simply stating, this is happening in real time. So we talk about the 49ers in this gigantic substation that's producing who knows the amount of complex fields that are being overlapped and creating noise. The, again, the physics side of this is, when we talk about complex fields, we're talking about a lot of waves that are out of phase, they're not coherent, they're interfering with each other, which means constructive and destructive interference, which some are getting more, they're getting stronger because they're adding on top of each other and some are dropping. So that just creates a lot of noise and your biology perceives that. We as humans don't see it because it's invisible. That's a human limitation, not a physics or biology limitation. That's just a human limitation and we can't see it. So we talk about the 49ers. To me, that's where I would start to poke around and say, okay, this is a complex field. What can we do? Either we move or we do something about it. And I think that's where like, when we, areas for us, we talk about environmental clarity and we, I know we'll talk about this before, but what we, the whole premise of what we do is create a structured field that is predictable. In a very short way, that's what we do. So we interact with the environment around you, make it predictable and structured and redistribute that energy. And so from a four-denters standpoint, look, again, is it causal? I don't know, it's early, because I think people start to poke around this conversation, but it did open the conversation, which I'm excited about. - If you want protein to build lean muscle, but without the caloric impact or need to cut, you need perfect amino. It's pure essential amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, in a precise form and ratio that allows for near 100% utilization in building lean muscle and no caloric impact. So we build protein six times as much as way, but without the excess body fat we normally get during bulking. This is the new era of protein supplementation and it's real. If you want to build lean muscle without having to cut, you need perfect amino. Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. - Yeah, yeah. And the way to, there's a difference between blocking these and mitigating them. So you're in this complex field with all of these different frequencies and wavelengths and what have you. And it's actually the physics of constructive and destructive interference that made me believe in the universal law of attraction, believe it or not, because I know that certain wavelengths, when two frequencies of equal wavelength can be the size of frequency doubles when they're in opposite phase, they cancel. And if you're sending complex frequencies through the body constantly, at some point this is going to match the frequency of a biological process going on in the body. It's either going to cause no harm. It's going to enhance it or it's going to disrupt it. And again, there's probably no way to tell specifically what's going on at with each field and at a cellular level. But what are you doing? Are you deflecting this cloud? Are you absorbing it into a single device? Like you stick it on the back of your cell phone? What is it doing? It's obviously not blocking the cell phone signal. So then is it really working to mitigate the EMF? So how does that work? - That's a good question. And again, I think what people struggle with is this field of physics is narrow. And even like we talk with a lot of cell phone antenna designers and they don't understand how what we're talking about. 'Cause they're in another narrow field. And so I empathize with people. 'Cause this is difficult, like narrow fields of research. And I think that we can simplify that. I did want to kind of just touch on the idea of blocking because I do think that that's easy to understand. But I also think it's easy to understand the idea of blocking. What is misunderstood is that you can actually block frequencies. Because I would say the other thing in addition to the 49ers content floating around the internet right now is, I would say one, I don't know, people like to be called influencers, but there's an MD that's an influence with a large audience in this kind of wellness space that did an Instagram reel about covering his Wi-Fi Router with tinfoil. And he was using an EMF reader to demonstrate that it reduced the strength of the field. Right? And there's a couple of things that are flawed with that. Number one, the EMF reader is measuring power. Power is not the problem. As we've established, it's the complexity of the field and the noise that's introduced from all the interference of multiple fields overlaying over each other. And so when you introduce that blocking like that, what you did is you stressed every system in there. Now that's using that router to then work harder. So now you have packets of information data that's been exchanged between the sender and the receiver. And those packets are dropping and these cell phones and your computers are built for error correction. So now they're increasing the amount of packets. So now you've increased the number of things that are happening now in your environment because we're trying to reduce it. So blocking is binary. You're either blocking or you're not. So if you're blocking, nothing's working. Nothing's getting signal. If you are blocking and stuff still getting signal, you've actually compounded the original problem that you're trying to solve. Again, this is the physics side of it, which is you become part of the field. So when anything I introduce into that field becomes part of the field. Another thing that I see 'cause I travel a lot is people put the blankets on their lap. Put their laptop on it, right? And I'm good because I'm covering my lap. You can't get to me. It doesn't work that way. These fields are all around us, they're three dimensional. It's not, again, it's not directional. It's three dimensional. And so because I'm covering my lap, doesn't mean that the rest of my body's not conducting. And by the way, you just now reflected back and amplified and created additional waves of interference that have occurred. So you've created complexity. Introduce complexity in the field. So unfortunately, blocking is really not a good solution. I see that people with cases-- I can completely block. Unless you're talking about fair day cage stuff. You completely capture it and harness it. And so the cell phone case is like, oh, it's closed. And then all the outside, what you did is you've actually concentrated it in a way. And so I just think people need to be more honest with those products. And I think consumers need to be way more educated on the physics of it because it isn't simple. This isn't like, it's like is it either blocking or you're not. Right. So if there's no one between-- your mitigation is-- that's what we're talking about. You're not even mitigating. You're actually amplifying the problem because you've increased-- again, think of like a backboard. If I don't have the backboard, I throw a ball. It goes right through. If I throw a backboard, and I throw the ball, and now bounce back, right? So now I've created two paths. And so I've increased. And then the likelihood in condensed is constant. It's not like it's just happening one time. Now I've doubled my paths essentially for simplicity. And now they're actually interfering with each other. So now you've introduced more noise and complexity into the environment that you're thinking that you're mitigating. And so, yeah, I just, again, I think when you put a hat on, an EMF protection hat, or a beam, or underwear. Well, yes, if you're shooting a laser at your head, that's fine, but that's not how it works. It's three-dimensional. So now my face is conducting. And now I've trapped it in my brain. Now it's reflecting back. And so it just doesn't work that way. And so I mean, like I can't just block regionally. It's in all or none principle. This is why EMF is actually a more complex, and serious topic to discuss and get right because there's so much misinformation. And there, by the way, there's a lot of bad products out there. And there's a lot of bad players. And I'm mindful of that, right? I'm always welcoming of other people that are sharing the message, but there's got to be some integrity in that. And I think that's what we wanted to do today. Yeah, yeah. So then what is the mechanism by which you can reduce the, you can't really reduce your exposure. So it's not something you can hide from. Yeah. I put this in the EMF mitigation in the realm of passive biohacking. Like the active biohacking is again, a red light, a hyperbaric, a getting a cold punch, a getting a sauna. But passive is when you do things like you install water filter. It's not any time to your day, but now you're actually just drinking clean water. You install air filtration and now your air is just cleaner. So your environment's cleaner. I look at EMF mitigation and technology like areas is one of those passive biohacks because you really can't control this environment. I mean, it's not practical to fully block, like you said. She built a Faraday's cage around your bed. But so what exactly is it doing diffusing? Okay. Is it, so what benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of the EMF? Yeah. And to be clear, I'm not entirely sure of anything else that exists. And that's, you know, to me, I think that we are a category creator and we talk a lot about environmental clarity. And I think that's the space that we're trying to fill of, okay, how do we create a solution that we're not going to fight technology? That's not the point. Like, look, I've been technology my whole life, like built my whole career on the internet. And so to me that. that's not sustainable either. Like, you know, I try, like you get an airplane. It's like the absolute worst EMF environment you can be in. And it's just not realistic. So, areas approach it, I think going back, it's a, it started as a foundation over 30 years ago. And the idea was to how do we control or manipulate the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing? It wasn't in a way to like, modulate the environment around us to make it less disruptive. That, because that was 30 years ago. - So, 30 years ago. - 30 years ago. - To shield your protect you from EMFs. - No, no. As a matter of fact, this silicon resonator that we're using today is, was a breakthrough for us because previously we were using like geometry and shapes. A lot like how, well, you refer to as metamaterials. A lot like how if you go back to do some research on the original like space shuttles, and especially out of Russia, back in like the 50s and the 60s, you would use shapes to essentially diffract and break apart like this. Like your acoustic design here. - Yeah, yeah, this is a perfect example. - It's a perfect example. - These are just wooden cubes. - Yep. - But they're cut at different angles and set at different depths to deflect the sound. - Yeah, to break it into smaller pieces. - So there's a lot of pieces. - They're not, they're not blocking it. They're basically taking our voice and then breaking it up so it doesn't echo around. - Same concept. And so the original, the original like research. - I thought it would have been on the wall 'cause you knew. - 'Cause you knew. - No, the original research was similar of like creating geometry that would basically reshape the field. And so like graphite and different things were used, different materials were used, and then over time, and these were big structures, by the way, because when you talk about you know, electromagnetic fields, and you're talking let's say AMF and rate, these are giant. - Yeah. - These are like, if we could see them, they're giant waves. Now when we talk about cell phone like 5G, we're talking millimeters. These are smaller millimeter waves stuff. So very different. But again, think about the 90s. We're still talking like, - Yeah, but there's still all of these, like you said, this is a complex field. I mean, there's still AM and FM, and they're still, they're all laying on top of each other. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - And so they're all sort of colliding in, - Yeah. - And you know, if you could, you know, put smoke in the air and like see the laser kind of thing. You know, it looked extremely complex. It wouldn't look like beams 100% through the air. - Yeah. - Yeah. And we're working on a map on our website that you can go to and put in your address and look at all the different cell phone towers, communication towers, power lines. And then right now we have it set up so you can just go see what's around you, see what your environment. What we're working on is like, what would the overlapping visual look like so that you could actually see what a complex structure would look like through some computer modeling and things like that. - That's kind of cool. - Yeah. - Like the 49ers stadium, right? When you think of that substation, it's gonna be lit up red. 'Cause it's just so much complexity to that field. - Right. - So getting back to kind of the areas, how it works. If you start there from what I just described of like using geometry like this to then structure and kind of reprogram, you know, a field essentially through geometry, that was actually taken from the work from the space shuttles. And I referenced Russia and US 'cause if you go back and you look at some of the original papers, they're swapping information quite a bit back, especially when they're like peer-reviewed research, they're citing Russia, Russia's citing the US 'cause it was like this ping pong match of like development of physics and things like that. So super interesting. So but they had a problem in space where the EMF and space is different and they needed, it was affecting the communications. So they used geometry to defract and reshape the field to so it was not disruptive. So that was the premise for the original kind of areas concept was a little bit of what was going on there, combined with Tesla's work. So Nikola Tesla that we're talking about, which was trying to capture the Earth's EMF to then create free energy for everybody. - Yeah. - Really cool work when you go back there. - Wow. - It became uncontrollable. I mean, like you couldn't control what was going, but he was getting there. So jump forward with the testing we did with the Silicon Resonator chip, which is what you see at the center. What you have there is essentially a fractal antenna. And so a fractal is a self similar shape repeating at different scales. And so that invention, which is relatively new, by the way, and it's what's used in your cell phone, it's what's used in all telecommunications right now. And the idea is that I can basically have an extremely wide band of frequencies created in a very small space. And the way to think about that is, without increasing the area of the space, I can increase the perimeter. So what that means is I can take a ring and I can make another ring, another ring, another ring, all the way down to the point of like infinity, right? And so I always tell people like, the best thing I can tell people is, take a rope and keep cutting a half till you get to zero. You will actually never get to zero. - Yeah. - Because you can't keep, theoretically, you can't get to zero. And so that's the idea of a fractal is you don't increase the area, but you increase the perimeter. So we have millions of etchings that are designed and specifically tuned and engineered to interact with the ambient field that's around you and essentially create a stable environment that is generated from that silicon. And so to talk about the material, 'cause material is important too, that the material silicon is hyperconductive. It's a dielectric meaning like it interacts with, with the energy around it and then it creates a response, right? And so what it does, it creates a field around it that is now stable. - So it's co-curant. - So it's giving your body a constant rather than this dissociated mass. - A lot of them are predictable. It's predictable, it's stable, it's coherent, which is the environment that your body thrives in, which is like being outside to me, right? - Yeah, yeah. - And that's why you feel so good, probably when you go to the ocean or when you, you know, like for my wife and I, when we go to the mountains in Colorado, we're way separated from, you know, any major city or technology or a 10,500 feet. And you really do feel different. And I don't wanna say, well, that's all 'cause of the low EMF. I don't know, I mean, it's, you know, forest bathing has been around for centuries, you know, and Eastern medicine. And we do that too, you know, walking in the forest, but I've got to think that a large part of it is, because the first cabin we had was, it was solar, so no electricity. And, you know, when you're out there and you're outside and you're, you know, you're walking in the woods and you're out altitude, you just, you really feel, do we sleep amazing? - Yeah. - Out there. - Yeah. - We all spend one-third of our lives sleeping. One-third, that's 25 years of your life on a mattress breathing it in, absorbing it through your skin. The U.S. mattress industry is the most chemical heavy in the entire world. 96% of mattresses contain petroleum foams. 92% use chemical flame retardants. You wouldn't eat that, so why would you sleep on it? The ultimate snooze is different. No petroleum, no fiberglass, no boric acid, just G-O-T-S certified organic cotton and wool. 100% natural tala-lay latex and made in America. 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And what people describe with having aries on, especially the one that you wear on your neck is that tuning effect. It feels you feel grounded, you feel always grounded, you feel calmer, the anxiety, the different things that are built up. That's what we, that's the shift that we hear about. That's what people describe the most. - Because just from wearing like that. - Yeah, just because it's close to your heart. - Yeah, it's close to your heart. It generates a lot of power that can be measured, 10 feet away. And so, but also just like I said around you, but that's what's happening in nature when it comes to the EMF side is, it gives your body a reference point to tune itself to and to kind of like reconnect in a way. Obviously there's other factor that's air and light and all sorts of things. - It's a factor we're out there. - Yeah, just factor out there. And so I'm honest about that. But yeah, I think like I said, when you work with a lot of people and you look at all of the things they got going on, the thing with EMF is it's stacking. And so you're already, I always described it as you're already starting in a hole. Or I think the better analogy is it's like, in the absence of EMF, negative EMF, let's say you're just walking on level ground. In our modern world, without any proactive approach to mitigating it, you're everybody's walking at some sort of incline. Just from, waking up to starting your automatically making your body work harder than it needs to. For some people, it's really steep. For other people, it's not that steep. Immediately, over time, everybody just starts to slowly lift, though, because your body can't deal with the amount of stress that we're introducing. And then everything else that would stress is your body. And so over time, there's a toxic load that then builds up and you eventually break. And everyone has it, right? Or you age faster or something wears out. So I kind of describe it like that. Like, EMF is not the thing, but it's starting you at a super angle. Yeah, super angle. And it's going to move depending on your environment. And that's just something to think about. And you've got like 40 studies that support this. Yeah. What you're saying, can I put those in the show notes? Is there? Yeah, yeah. We can leave there. Okay. Okay. There's a couple of things that I would say that I think you're really useful. We have a new one that's not out yet. So two, three years ago, we had a piece of research that was peer reviewed, was presented at this physics conference around the computer modeling of understanding this broadband, multi leveled field that's created coming off the resonator. And so we're able to create the silicon chip at the center of the product. Oh, it's right. What's interacting with the EMF around us, right? How it's interacting with me. So we had this computer model that I was able to show this mathematical approach to this. And again, we won awards for this. It was peer reviewed. It was presented and published in research. Just recently, we then created the physical model to then prove the math. And so this isn't out yet because a lot of the thing I get is the visual side. Well, I can't see it's working. How do I know it's working? So what the team did was they used heat and infrared to be able to create a field. And so what you see on the surface of the resonator and then around it is the physical representation of the mathematical model that we had already built. Wow. So we're super excited about that because that's the question everyone has. It's like, how do I know it's work? The other thing that I would flip to is like, look at the end of the day, your body is what we're measuring. We really want to know if your biology is performing better. We really want to know if it's working better. And so we have become like a tour of doing live brain scans and HRV testing. We did a lot of work with the UFC and we looked at like reaction time at the presence of EMF and then with using aries. And it's super easy. This is my point of like to improve like millisecond timing. Millicent timing. Yeah. And that's not like reaction time with your hand. That's like the information moving through your brain and then out to your hand. So we're able to track how quick the information, the time that your eyes lock on because you're looking to brain to the information moving through and then actually take an action. So that's what we're looking at with that. The other thing that I would just say is like, my point of starting the conversation with like, okay, what do we know for sure? What can we measure? Science understands that EMF disrupts EEG and basically your neurology and how your brain functions. We know that it disrupts the heart and not for the better, right? Right. Specifically, the heart is easy to measure because it kind of locks you into sympathetic activation and so the rest relaxation is compromised because you're locked in and we've seen this with athletes in an extreme level. Like every athlete that we work with, which we already know they have a hard time moving between states and what we talked about walking in here was rest, recovery, how much and how fast they can get back down, right? It's the numbers on the HRV are off the charts in the presence of the EMF. It's incredible. And so when they use our product, we see this improvement over baseline. It's not because we're affecting the body. What we've done is we've got out of the way so the body can actually just do its job better. So you're getting the EMF sound the way. So this sort of blocks that are right behind me is a really good way, I think, for people to process and understand this because we wouldn't argue that sound waves exist because we're hearing them right now. We argue that EMF waves don't exist or don't cause harm because we can't see them. Touch them and feel them. We don't have a way for us to take a measurement. And yet this really works. When we're having podcasts, this is what's deflecting our voice and not causing it to come back into the microphone and not bounce out for this hard wall. So it really makes it starting to crystallize to me. I've understood EMFs had a relatively surface level for the last few years. I'm sold on their impact on human physiology for sure. And I wasn't sold on whether or not technology could mitigate that. And now I'm starting to understand how by creating uniformity in this field, the body has harmony. In other words, it has a consistent variable to deal with rather than this just widely changing constant, you know, very spasmatic environment. Which it's kind of it's having to shift its adaptation less frequently. If that makes sense, is that a good way to make sense? A really simple way is let's say you're sitting at your desk, you're doing work, you're just hyper concentrated, you're pumping out good work. And then someone comes from out over here on your left or you're right and interrupts you. And not only they interrupt you, but they're speaking a different language. And now you're like, okay, what are they saying? What are they saying? What I got to do with that information? So the task that you were doing is now disrupted. How just to get specific on a few things? How bad is 5G for us? Right. I think again, to have a real intellectually honest conversation, if it was, and I think this is where the research gets it wrong. And I think this is one of the reasons why there's a lot of challenges in showcasing the negative effects of EMF is they're typically using one device. And in the presence of one device, and this is why people are going to go back to like, looking at the smog. They're not looking at the complex. Because like I said, if it was just one outlet producing 50 hertz of, you know, a field, that's probably not going to really do much to you. It's not going to make you uncomfortable. Like you're not really, your body's just like, okay, whatever. I'm dealing with that, right? But you have to go next to a substation or you go into an airplane where everyone has a 5G phone and everyone has a TV in their head, you know, in their headrest now. And there's Wi-Fi in there. You have all these complex aviation electronics up front. Right. You're telling me to have Wi-Fi. You get my point now. Now you have all of these complex overlay and you have structures in there. So now you have, in your Natube, and now you have this reflection and deflection happening all around you. So you've infinitely, exponentially increased the complexity of the field. So how that is? That's what your cellular biology is dealing with. Is what you're doing. It's a stress that it's constantly trying to figure out what do you want me to do with this? You've given me information. What am I supposed to do? Because your body's working on interpreting electromagnetic signals. And now you're giving this man-made technogenic frequency to it and saying interpret this, it can interpret it. So it doesn't know what to do with it. So it just consistently gets disrupted, disrupted, disrupted, disrupted, disrupted, signaling from blood to. To pee. To mitochondria, the gut, the brain, the heart, everything is disrupted. So like I said, I think that am I saying this is going to have extreme outcomes? No. But when you look at every one of those things stacked together, all those systems over time, over long periods of time, that's a problem. More importantly, young babies developing. Our adults are more resilient and we can deal with some of this stress because we've developed. What's happening with young people though is actually shaping their response. It's programming their response. And that's a completely different mindset because they're not developed yet. Their skulls are thinner, softer, more permeable. Their whole body is developing and it's being programmed by their environment. Whether that's me as a parent, I always mess with my kids and be like, everything that you think right now most likely came from myself or your mom. So not only were you programmed them from like their social circles and the food that we're giving them and their chemical environment and that's around them, but also their electromagnetic environment as well. And their bodies are actually because we are electrical beings or being programmed by them and being shaped by that. So if I was to say, hey, on a scale of like one to really pay attention, I think families with young children, people trying to conceive that are or pregnant because that pregnant woman is one system. And so what she's exposing herself to, the baby's being exposed to and is also being shaped by. Sure. So all those things combined are just something like I said, your body can deal with it. Your body's resilient. It's not immune to it though. Any of the big difference. Yeah. So then the question here is not, I mean, the issue is not just to create fear and a long moment. No. This is going to make you sick and you're going to die. There are people that are significantly more sensitive and I'd like to unpack that. Like why are they more sensitive? But common ways without just turning this into a commercial for your product, but you would say that the cell phone mitigating the cell phone is that where you would start? That's like the, that's a good question. That's a good question. I always like when you give free advice. Yeah. So I think starting with some free advice. That would be great. Yeah. Yeah. Is because I don't want people to think that the intention was for us to get in here for you to sell Aries products. I want to draw attention to EMFs. I want to, I want the data to be out there so people can make an informed decision and just really understand what they are and what is some of the possible detrimental outcomes. Yeah. Number one, you make sure that you're going to be able to get a free advice. is 5G bad. And I want to reframe that because that is talking about power again and not the complex field. So I want to make sure that I just tighten that up for clarification. It isn't about 5G. It's about the complexity of that. And 5G does require more towers in them to be closer. So it introduces complexity because of the nature of which how 5G works. Not because 5G is the signal. Yes, it's more powerful, the different conversation, but the complexity of 5G has increased. The number of towers has increased because of 5G. So that's kind of number one. By the way, there's a website you can go to called antenna search.com and you can go to antenna search.com. It's free. Just put in your zip code and it will tell you how many 5G towers are. So we're even ported that data as well. And we brought in the power line data as well because the power line data wasn't in there. The high power, especially with the high power stuff. And so because I wanted to create that I want to show the complexity. And so bringing in all these different sources. And we're trying to get it to be global, but not as much global information as we have in the US. But it's a great place to start. So going back to what you can do. Number one distance is always the most important thing. And so if I'm installing a Tesla charger at my house, you want to make sure that's going to place that's not going to be near the places where you spend the most time. Like your major is not on the other side of that. Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to that, especially your child, right? You don't want that in the child. Smart meters, like which is a big one. A lot of us were forced to do that. Or you could opt out. The panel, the panel on your house where the remember back in the day when the guy would come around the scooter and check your meter and yeah, yeah, the thing. The analog thing. Now it's electric and it's LTE or something. It's just constantly sending signals constantly. And so there's a handful of products that people usually find their way to us from. The smart meter is one, the smart watch. What is the next one? The smart meters, the house, the utility meters. Yeah, because of that. I don't fully understand the physics behind that, but the number of people that have had negative experiences, health experiences because of the smart utility meters is kind of mind-boggling. Just that we've seen, right? Smart watch would be the next one. Cell phone is the obvious one for sure. And then I would say flying out sleep. Sleep is the other one. And so that's where people typically find themselves. And so to address those in particular, like I said, is proximity to the source or to the receiver. A lot of times we think of the router in my example before of covering with tinfoil. It isn't the source. It's actually the receiver that now has to work harder because that's why when you're, let's say you're in a city with tall buildings, your phone gets hot. It's because it's working overtime. It's sending more packets, trying to translate decode and translate the packets. Trying to do something with it. And it's possible to have good signal, but too much noise in the in the electromagnetic field and not be able to get the data. So then the data has to work harder even though there's good signal. And so that happens a lot in cities. Right. You see, I've got three or four bars or whatever, but it's not working. You're frustrated. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, okay. And that makes sense. Yeah, because you've created a complex field. Because of the buildings. So would you say, so what if I have one of these smart meters or I'm flying on an airplane, what would it, what is the best way to mitigate it? Not the area's tech for the back of your phone is there a device? Is it a necklace? Yeah, when it comes to area's tech, look, I think as a default and I would say 99% of anyone that's that's bought products from us or worked with us starts with the one on the phone because it's the most obvious, right? And it's the one that we think about the most. I think where we see the most impact would be like where people report really positive health outcomes would be the flex, which is the one that you wear around the flex or the go. They're different sizes, same mechanism, different sizes, kids like the smaller one a little bit better, sometimes women do. And then the what we call the zone of the zone max. Those are larger ones. And again, getting the physics of it, there's a resonant effect. So meaning because there's multiple resonator chips on these, so they're creating multiple fields, they actually amplify each other. And it's not linear, meaning like one plus one doesn't equal to it's like one plus one equals, you know, X to the 10 power. It's significant. And so again, going back to the computer modeling and things that we've now demonstrated. That was a really, and is this like, they're small. Yeah, they're small. And so like, like the size of like, I would say like a credit card or smaller. And then then the larger ones, maybe the size of your phone. And basically the difference between all of them is the proximity to the source or to you that they need to be. So the bigger they are, the further way they can be because they'd have more surface area. And they can't and they have more resonators. So they can create a larger stable area. Okay. That's really the big difference. And so like, when we go into like the minute, so Timberwell's arena and we create the first ever EMF friendly arena, we use the zone max. And just put like, when you walk through the con course, you see a bunch of millimeter wave antennas throughout the con course. And so it's pretty easy. Like, okay, let's, let's hit that the obvious spots. But we do go in there with thoughtful and we're kind of in the first phase that roll out. Another really cool thing that I haven't even talked about yet anywhere is we're working with a major airline to install areas within all of their North American direct flights to their destination. And I can't talk about it too much yet. But that was, and that's where we'd be placed. And this particular one because it's a long flight would be throughout the cabin. So like individual ones at each seat area. Larger ones towards the and the pocket is like the size of their thing. They're like, yeah, they're really great. They're super thin. Yeah, they're like a, because you're talking like a circuit board. You think of a circuit in the fabric of the C2. So many can see it, right? Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. Wow, that's cool. They're actually thinking about that. And then the, their goal is to make the happiest, healthiest, you know, airline and experience. And they wanted to start before you get to the destination. I'll definitely let you know because you'll dig this and you'll dig the destination. Hammer use is a podcast is overdue. I'll get it out of them. I'm super excited about it. I'll show notes. Yeah. Yeah. If you know me, you know, I'm a huge believer in the benefits of hydrogen water. H2 tab delivers cost-effective, portable tablets that generate ultra clean molecular hydrogen at 12 parts per million. 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So you would say if you're flying a lot, would you get one of those big ones and just put it in your bag? I wear the one. I obviously have a lot with me. But if I was to recommend one, I would definitely wear the one around because it's closest to you and your heart and your brain. And those are just areas that are the kind of the control centers for the body, right? So I would start there. The other thing I would do, kind of go back to the free stuff, grounding if it's about flying. If you land in ground almost immediately, it's amazing the benefits that that has. And again, I'm I typically don't like to go into the water is of like, agree with you of like not proven, not factual, whatever. But anyone that's done that knows it. I feel totally, totally agree with that. And that is absolutely free. And I do it as much as you can. Yeah. As soon as you get off the plane, go hug a tree. Yeah, whatever you can go to like get outside. I look weird like at the airport. Yeah. Yeah. Like take my shoes off and try to get on the grass for. Yeah, just for a minute. Just for a few minutes. These are a few minutes. It's amazing. Proper hydration with electrolytes is a really important one. And again, this is not my my main field, but I do know magnesium definitely helps and supports the calcium ion channels in in relationship to do the negative EMF, right? Yeah, no question. Yeah. And so different things like that that are really helpful. I think I think hydration is is really again, foundation to begin with. Yeah. The hydrogen water is really interesting. And I tried to do some more preparation for that, but I felt just totally unqualified. But the what I was uncovering was a lot with the blood. And like you were talking about the club. Like there's a lot of really good information and how that would then support again, an overall EMF strategy. Like how do you how do you mitigate the negative effects? If you know, you don't have, you know, the Aries products or your like these are all the different tools and taxes that you can do. And I think the hydrogen water is a really interesting one. There's not a lot of research on that yet, especially as in relation to, but you're able to then draw a bouquet. If I know that this negative thing is happening, how then do I combat that with a positive support system? Right? And I think that's really where I lay out an empathetic. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So now talk about a little bit about the people that are hyper sensitive. So I have clients, for example, that had to sell their Tesla because the charger in the garage, it's actually a very famous client, Swife, she was sleeping a story above and in the back of the house and could tell when the Tesla was plugged in, when it was being charged. You don't want to get to just electric vehicles in general because I think I see people in both camps and I don't really know which camp I fall in that, you're sitting on just this big EMF bomb. I think it's safe to say that when they're charging, you probably shouldn't be in the car. But when these electric vehicles are in motion and you're sitting on top of these giant battery packs, I mean, is that a serious EMF concern? I don't think so. And we kind of chat about this before we say that. Yeah, I think when it comes to the EVs, they're shielded just by design. So a lot of where the most-- - Very heavily shielded. - Yeah, where the EMFs are concentrated is heavily shielded. What I would say is no one's gonna like this, but any modern vehicle that has the modern technologies and the large screens, all of them are connected to wireless right now, like whether you opt in or opt out, they're still connected. And they have Wi-Fi. The those systems, if we go to, let's just talk at the US regulations, they're independently regulated. As a complete system of your dashboard, they're not regulated at all. So like, when you think about the layering of complex fields, virtually every vehicle is terrible because of the dash. So with EVs-- - Especially the modern dashes. - Yeah, the modern dash of the glass. Where I think that EVs have some of the benefit is they're better designed. They're better contained, they're better designed because they're not all the different varying types of systems that are in a modern, let's say, gas powered vehicle. There's a lot of different systems in there. And none of them are connected. None of them are alike, but with the EVs, they're pretty much designed from the ground up in a contained system. So there are some benefits because of that, but to be honest, like if you were to do to look at a spectrum analyzer of a dash or even taking the EMF reader, you're gonna see some extreme numbers come out of that. But I would say, again, I kind of go back to more importantly, don't get misdirected or misguided by the power of EMF. It is the complexity of the field that's created. And when you look at modern vehicles, there are so many different systems that are interacting. And by the way, if you ever, anyone that's ever pulled the dash apart, the shielding in these wires or anything like, it's terrible. Like it's just not good. And so they're all just inherently not great. And so I typically recommend the, like in Aries device up in the front of that dash for sure. And that's one of those areas I'm like, I don't really have a good device. Other than like, you gotta do something about it, right? - To put in these cards and like the couple of others or something like that. - Yeah, I like in the visor, wherever it's convenient, depending on the model of car that you have. But that's a good question. It comes up a lot. Like the EVs, a question because it just, again, intuitively, it's like, huh, you know, like, it just intuitively. But they overlook the other vehicles, which I wouldn't overlook the other vehicles. - Yeah, yeah, man, I was telling you, I, my wife, one of the early model Teslas that came out and we, I got like a, a fingernail-sized hole in the battery housing and they told us the whole car. I mean, I'm sure Teslas figured it out since then because, you know, we compromised that battery housing. I'm sure it was because EMFs really can out. But, you know, so they're, they're, they're very well contained. And when that permeated, it's, you know, it's a disaster. - Yeah. - But I, I, I want to talk to you about the, people that are more sensitive to EMFs. I mean, do you find, what is it, or do you know, that makes people more or less sensitive to EMFs? Because there are people that have, you know, severe trouble with, you know, electromagnetic frequencies. - Yeah, it's a really good question. And I think, again, in our earlier conversation, where you said the table, I said, we have this, the, as areas as a brand, we have an interesting customer base. We have extremely polar opposite groups of people. We have elite athletes, elite performers, and virtually every category, you think of whether that's musicians, actors, actresses, football players, a lot of football players, obviously the UFC and the, and the NBA. But virtually every top athlete in every sport is a customer. And then on the other side, you have extremely ill people and chronic ill, like chronic, chronic disease, chronic, like all sorts of chronic things that you, that you see. And I find that it's really interesting because they're, they're small slices of the population, but at extreme edges. And the one thing I will say they have in common is, each one of these groups of people are hyper sensitive to their environment. They understand when something is off, and when they're, they're operating at a high level, they understand that and they're trying to always stay at that high level. When you're sick, that means you're just trying to increase your baseline and you're trying to state that baseline and you're trying to move up a little bit more. As a elite performer, you're trying not to drop and you're just getting incremental. You're talking like, you know, milliseconds, we mentioned before, like, you have to see it's mill seconds. Mill seconds. When it comes to the people that are hyper sensitive, EHS, and I think they have a new acronym that they're using now for that particular group. I typically find there's another source or another thing that they're dealing with. I see Lyme disease a lot. People that have Lyme disease typically are also find themselves to be sensitive. And I don't, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And we have a great story, gentlemen name Mike Bender, who wrote a really good article in men's health. We should put a link in the show notes, because it's one of my favorite articles. I don't think it's called the Quiet House. And he's a screenwriter for Comedy Central. We live in LA, his wife was on MTV. So they're in the Hollywood world, right? And he's a New York Times bestseller. And he had Lyme disease as a young kid. And basically has been on this journey to create a world that he can, in environment, then he can actually function in because of how sensitive he became. And so he shares this crazy story in this men's health article. And so I wrote a little small blog post about it. And then so he emailed us and he was like, and I'm thinking I'm in trouble because I was so happy at this article, I loved how we approached this complex topic. And it wasn't just EMF, it was all sorts of things. It was noise. It was just, his nervous system was just hyperactive. Yeah, hyper sensitive. And it was just had all these really negative consequences. So he messages me and I'm like, oh no, I didn't get permission to summarize his article. Like maybe he's mad at me. He's like, no, I'll talk to you guys. And he's like, I for a decade, I haven't been able to leave my house. And he's like, really? Your product, I built a van and put your product in it. And I'm now for the first time in taking my kids skiing. No, crazy story. And so we've gotten to know each other. He lives in Santa Barbara. He did what you did. He built a house. And not only he built a house, he had to pay attention to the electromagnetic fields of the earth because there's a lot of inconsistency in the earth's field as well. So he can walk out there and tell you where things are buried, like power line, like he's super sensitive. Yeah, so he's went and mapped it all and then had the guys that come and actually check and he already had flags in all the spots. That's how sensitive he is. So he's had a great story. And so we have some videos with him because I just, I can't stress enough how cool he is and a good story. And he's just super credible, but his experience is great to kind of share about that. And I just, I don't know the biological reasons why, but I tend to find that there's something else layered on. And that's kind of what I think I said earlier in this conversation is EMF makes everything worse. Yes, right? And so if you already have something, it's going to exacerbate that issue already. Or if you didn't have something, you might develop something because your system's being eroded over time because of the signaling challenge that you have. And so I think that's what I see. If I was to just say, hey, again, I'm not saying for sure anything, but what I see in the data in our hundreds of thousands of, I think a million now devices that we have out there and all the feedback we have, that's what I see is the commonality. So, you know, for, let's say aside from, you know, an Aries device or one of your products, what are some things people can do to mitigate those in their house? We talked about what they do on the flights, like hardwire internet, should they turn Wi-Fi routers off at night? Yeah, that's a great one. I'm going to say one thing that's going to blow your mind or that's going to be completely counterintuitive. Okay. So the better the signal, the less EMF because the less complex the field is. Ah, right. That makes sense. So it's actually, if you have strong signal in one area, weak signal in another area, no signal in a different area, and you're actually making your field dirty for a lot of work. Great word. Increasing noiseier. It's noisy. Noiseier. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. So that I would sound counterintuitive. It does sound just to do it. To do it right. It to set it. Yeah, yeah. Sounds counterintuitive, but that's one of the best pieces of I-Sai-Hav for that. I think I would say is like-- - So not disconnecting it, and I'm reconnecting it. - No, like I said, if you're insisting on having the Wi-Fi, then that's great. And I think fine, have the Wi-Fi-- - Got to have Wi-Fi many times. - Yeah, or I gotta have a Wi-Fi. - I mean, that's just, let's record wire and move it around. Which a lot of people do, you know? Like I would say, especially people that are hypersensitive, like they have to be very thoughtful about crafting and curating their environment around their sensitivities. And so I think that's just one thing I just wanted to mention, like it's so counterintuitive. People get all angry at me sometimes. - No, it can't be, it can't be. Better signal, no. That's not it, 'cause it's not about power, right? It's not about power, it's about clarity. And it's about clarity for-- - Yeah, because your body can deal with a constant. - That's my point, yeah. - Right, it doesn't, it's the change. It's the erratic behavior of the field. - We did another study because I've been kind of poking around this complexity issue, which I think it's overlooked and misunderstood. If you go back and you look a lot of literature, a lot of the studies are like one cell phone, one router, and I said, well, put two in there, put three in there, put them far apart and make them talk to each other. And we did this recent study, again, it's not out yet. This one is going kind of a roundabout way because of the peer review process. It's a Singapore, a group out of Singapore right now is doing this peer review on it. And we used different strains of rats because they have different genetic kind of like predispositions of one has a tendency to be more anxiety and one has more excitability. And so what we were looking at was how does EMF, if there's a genetic, like we know that this rat is already influenced to already-- - Yes, what then happens, yeah, from a genetic standpoint, how does that then change the behavior? And by the way, the results are pretty crazy. They're crazy in the fact that depression in EMF is linked. Like I said, I can't confidently say that because it's no studies. But in our research, and what I see when we do our brain scans, like the EEG, you see those parts of the brain that regulate mood, anxiety, you see all that fire, you see it in the heart, right? Like you see the heart change. And so we saw that in the mice. And so that was just really interesting. But it was magnified when we put in like, we added more devices, added different frequency levels. And so again, the complexity of the-- - Because it feels complex. - Yes, the complexity of the field-- - The impact was growing. - They're signaling within the body is affected. - Not to ask the obvious question, but how do you measure depression in EMF? - So they put him in-- - He's so sad. - They put you out exactly. They look at their facial expression. No, they put him in these dark rooms. Are these like dark places? And the way that they interact when they're in these stressful situations. And so there's a variety of these in retests. And based upon what I understand again, this isn't what I do, but there's a protocol for this. That is accepted and like people understand. And that's how they know this strain is already like, we know that strain axis way, and we know this strain's excited. Like we know that because of this protocol. So it was essentially an existing protocol that we were following. And again, I could even be getting it wrong, but as I was reading through it, 'cause it's coming to me in a different language, I'm trying to translate it, and then I have a translator, and it's usually a mess, right? (laughing) To get that out. But that's it, they're following a protocol that's been established around how do we measure that in mice first? Going back to my point though of like, what can I do in my environment? It's reducing the amount of technology if I can. Like do you need your refrigerator connected to Wi-Fi? Do you need your washer and dryer? Do you need your robot vacuum? Like all, again, single things. - Because again, it's single things. - You're increasingly complex and you're the call of this communication. - Yeah, and so I would be thoughtful about that. Those that can opt out of this smart power meter, I would opt out. I did just no reason for it. And I would be, like I said, I would really think about clarity of signal. I think the clarity of signal, like the signal to noise concept, is the same when it comes to the biology. Like the better signal you can create for your biology, the better life you're that you're gonna have. - Right, like that's just-- - Totally agree with that. - And so the same thing with your technology, the better signal there, the better it's gonna perform in the less chaos, the less noise it's gonna be created. And together, when you do those things together, the biology likes that. The biology likes better cleaner signal. So reducing interference is always better. - Because it can deal with it, and then the gear with it. - Yeah, in the uniformity of it. - Yeah, to do that. - Do you find that women are more sensitive DMFs than men? - Yeah, you know, I think kind of a nod to some of the people that have talked about this already that did a really good job. Like Andrew Huberman did a really good podcast on the reproductive system for men and women. He also talked about breast tissue. And there are a couple of things that I would say just kind of either added to that or kind of saying that. But I would definitely check his stuff out because he had his team go through and aggregate all the data. And they came like conclusively, the cell phone in your pocket, if you're a man, is going to disrupt everything, right? It's gonna affect sperm mobility. It's gonna affect testosterone production. - Your back pocket or? - Yeah, like just put it on airplane mode if it's gonna be in your pocket. And so I thought that was, I was really excited that he did that. And then the other thing he talked about, and I heard this from Dr. Drew as well, if everyone remembers Dr. Drew. - I love Dr. Drew, yeah. - Yeah, good dude, good dude. Yeah, I was on his show a while back and he kind of came prepared for this conversation and he talked about cells that reproduce frequently. Typically have a higher rate of air in the presence of EMF, if you will. - Oh, a higher rate of air. - Yeah, air. And so because of EMF impacting the signaling, essentially, right? And so breast tissue is one of those cells that reproduces a higher rate as are a lot of the reproductive areas. So, and so you see a lot of the tissues and things like that. Now, there are some other factors that would be on their like heat, heat, not from EMF to be clear. Like I don't wanna talk about, you know, the thermal effects of EMF. Because that's the part that everyone wants to point to say, no, the government says that's fine. I'm just talking about the cell phone getting hot next to your breast or your pocket because of, is trying to get a signal, right? Or the fact that it's just hot because it's hot. Changes in temperature like that even subtle will create problems, biological problems. And that's often covered in literature too. And so there's different factors there. But I think women are more intuitive about it. And I also think that their system is more complex. The hormone system, the regulations and the communications, they're just more complex in a way. And I think that they're more sensitive to the disruption. So I do think that they are, I don't know if they absolutely are from biological perspective. I think from a felt experience perspective, I think that they are. So now these devices that you have, they're, because if I put it in my car and I put it in a culpolter and I've got all this stuff going on my dash, you know, the screen is in front of me and my body is here. And this is down here in my culpolter. Is it changing the cloud? Is it actually, it's redirecting these frequencies, softening them from lack of better words or creating some kind of consistency in this cloud? So basically tuning the environment. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of what's happening. Yeah, it's a tune in the field. Because they intuitively, intuitively, I would think, I wanted to be between me and the source. But again, that's going back to this being sort of an arrow or a laser beam. And it's actually the complexity of the functional field. Yeah, even even even how we can work if it's not a direct line 100% yeah. And actually the, there's a resonant effect and a coupling effect. And again, this gets into more like wave theory and physics, which I don't think we should touch on. But the idea that when waves couple together when they're in phase, it does increase the area because you added power to a specific way. So there is a lot of interference occurring, but it's stabilized and it's calculated. It's tuned. So with the Aries interacting, it also creates a three dimensional hologram, if you will. And that's what you see in the infrared imaging, by the way, is a more of a three dimensional view. It's not, I say it is if it's really large in the imaging. It's, it's not really large because it fate, the, the infrareds fade so quickly. But, but you get it and you understand the exponential like mathematically equation of how that then spans out. But yeah, what you just said is right. Like people get confused with like directional, like beaming and that's not how it works. And how far from the actual device is it, is it tuning? Is it six feet? Is it eight feet? Is it? Yeah. That's another common question. The, the differences between the devices there are, we have some measurements on the website you can look at. The larger one is pretty effective. Like this is, this room's probably on all 15 by 15, maybe a little larger. That would be so, the one of them would be sufficient in, and where would you put it if you just set it around this pocket? Yeah, I mean, I, there's two, there's kind of two points of reference, right? Is like the source of, of EMF and then where we are. I prefer to have it where we are versus like the source. Because yes, I'm concerned about the source, but I'm really more concerned about the space that I occupy, right? And if there's enough complexity in our environment, there's enough complexity to create the effect that we want within, within the resonator of our product, right? With our technology. And so what I mean by that is, if there's not enough energy or complexity within the field that we occupy, that it doesn't matter anyways. It's not going to affect us. Does that make sense? Yeah. So if there's enough for it to create an effect with our, with our technology, then, then we're good because it's here, right? Is that makes sense? And you also might not know of other sources. I mean, you can't, I mean, obviously you know where your Wi-Fi right is and where you're, you know, Outlet or but you may not know what other sources are coming through your windows and walls and what other You know fields are being I think it's interesting like you bring up a good point like I Think back not even that long ago. I had like I could count on my hand the number of devices that had in my house Right and I had like a wired router forever, right? Yeah, because I like the higher speed everything's got blue - everything is connected You have yeah the exponential curve of Connected devices in our environment is that timeline is so condensed in such a exponential Drive up of the number of devices in our environment our bodies have not evolved to adapt to that That's just the truth and so our bodies adapted to natural human-like resonances of the earth and That's what our bodies like that's what we're developed. That's that's our biology Yeah, and now we're quickly thrust into this new technogenically charged world of complex frequencies and That's why I think this conversation is moving so quickly right now. That's why that 49ers conversation is moving. I think that's why we have We were going that conversation with the 49ers the number of trainers that we talked to in professional sports and Actually provide solutions to is would blow your mind But what I found interesting when I kind of started to learn that world was there's people on staff their job is to and they get Bonest on the number of minutes played like not injured across the team, right? So their whole job is like you were saying to not yeah get injured and I find that really interesting And so the fact that these guys are like incentivized to find all the different ways to keep people on the field and healthy Yeah, it's fascinating to think about the cost of mean especially again going back to a non-contact injuries I mean, you know, you just like want to just pound your head because you go you know, you will understand trauma But yeah, you know when when it's like are they Over-trained are they under recovered are you know are they dehydrated? You know and those are those are Modifiable factors. Yeah, you know, and I would imagine now the conversation shifting to EMF it's gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out with 49ers if there's anything publicly Nascows, you know long this journey be really interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think it will definitely stay close on that because I do think it's an interesting Conversation and I think it's worth people asking the questions. I think if I'm a player there, I'm definitely asking the questions. Oh, you have a Plarium just getting interesting case and I and by the way, I think I think the theory originated from the players if I follow the article correctly And again as I mentioned to you earlier like like there's a quite a few players on that team already that are customers and Notable players and so I'm not shocked as a matter of fact I was on a conversation with someone that I work with that helps me with a lot of our sports partnerships And I told him like remember when I first met you it was about Players in the 49ers that was one of our first sports conversations was the 49ers so Yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes, but I think again I'm more excited about the fact that that you're seeing this conversation Enter the the cultural dialogue, which is what's exciting for me. Well, I'm really excited about these two studies that you got on the Way to be and yeah published and I think anything that you know, you can do to help the consumer understand I think I've I even got a more clarity out of this podcast. I really appreciate you coming on because I did think of these fields as being fired or or or moving out in it in a trajectory in a wave like fashion But you know now that you've explained the complexity of all of these different fields overlapping y5 5G 3G you know microwave radio wave infrared, you know, there there are all of these different complex signals coming in At a finite level to our cellular biology and you're right need a lot of our cellular biology and and the way we eliminate waste and detoxify and repair and regenerate is based on How we can move molecules across different? Yeah boundaries across different membranes and Virtually all of that has to do with electrical signaling. Yeah, so makes intuitive sense and I and I also like that you didn't Come in here and and draw these vast analogies to this causes cancer. Yeah, and this prevents cancer Because I don't think it's that simple and these are not you know straight. Yeah straight lines. So I'm Delighted the Camel the ultimate human podcast man. I you know, I um I wind down and I hope this brought clarity to you guys too I mean, I've I've actually you know some some podcasts I get on because I'm I get guests on here because I'm interested and and and I really enjoy the conversations and other times I feel like I've really packed away some knowledge and that's that's one of those I appreciate that man and and I appreciate you sharing your platform I'm really passionate about the mission and you know that that we're on and and a lot of people asking how I got involved and I it's one of those weird things like you know in my background I don't know 25 well. I've been saying 25 years now for Probably 27 years. Yeah, I'm probably closer to 30 years. I'm out of five. Yeah, I'm probably 30 years now But um it's one of those things are like I probably had no business running this company because I had been kind of deeply entrenched in other other Like businesses, but you're kind of a brand guy. I mean like yeah, I'm more like yeah brand grow building, you know companies and stuff like that and so Um, I gotta give a lot of credit to my wife because I always just call her a hippie for lack of a better term, but I would say there's probably three people my wife Not doesn't have the negative company more right. Yeah, oh, hey barefoot grass fed meat. Yeah, I'm faster. He's thanks. I love it I would say my wife Andrea well If you're an inner circle you call her Andy. I'm I'm still fighting to get in that inner circle. It's we'll call her Andrea Um, and I would say Tim Ferris and Drew Green. Not I don't know Tim Ferris but his book the four-hour body He has a section in there about EMF and because I didn't quite listen to my wife back in 1999 in 2000 and when she was like I don't know about all these this new Wireless phone that's now 2.4 gigahertz versus the 900 megahertz that we used to have right? He's like I don't know about that I'm I'm sensing that this technology might be bad for us. So she kind of turned me on early on and But then his book came out I can't remember what year that is but then some time now 15 20 years Yeah, it's great. But he had that chapter in there around if you want to like quadruple some crazy absurd number your test austro And the main takeaway was take the cell phone out of your pocket Yeah, and I thought that was what that and really bold by the way at that time. Oh like nobody was talking about that He was way out on that one and so now because I'm like look I'm a I'm a big fan of of Tim's his work I've always connected with him because I like his approach. He's like he's like with you It feels like when you're going through these things So he's a great teacher in that respect And then I'll say Drew green. So Drew green is the chairman of areas He's also the CEO of in the Chino, which is a massive, you know men's work company And so he's the one that reached out to me and said hey, you know, I like your background come look at this company And I was like okay You know like everyone does right dismisses it. It's whatever all crazy negative things that you want to say about it and But It was like ask all your questions. Here's all our research. What do you want to talk about that's all And I would say the thing that really I just connected with was the simplicity of the solution I know it sounds complex But you're talking about two or three different things combined by the way the two or three things combined the the shapes the the fractal resonator the geometry Areas and invent any of that that's all existing technology and well understood physics They just layered them together to create a specific outcome So they've been chasing this outcome this like arrangement for years And it wasn't till the silicon came out and we could etch it the way that we did that they could they finally unlocked the solution And so It's kind of cool. Yeah, it was really cool And so when I understood that and I had you know access to the to the team and the physics guys and the biology people and Watch them kind of fight with each other because they think that they know the person's job like yeah It's super interesting because of these very deep fields I was just like I can't get enough of this and I as a brand guy I always love things that are slightly controversial you have a polarizing thing you typically know you're on as something but I would also say just I just felt like man if this If I could communicate this to the world The change in the like the empowerment that you give back to people that don't even know that they're being affected And you give them this this opportunity Anyways, I just get really passionate that was really exciting for this to do that so I couldn't I couldn't not do this job I can say that's right, but yeah Well, you're doing a good job at it. So I I've I've wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question And there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Interesting um I think Man, I should have prepared for this. I should have scripted something podcast you know the question I know dude I know every single guest I'll tell you as a father and as a husband I think being an ultimate human is actually preparing yourself mentally physically emotionally To do that job extremely well And I think oftentimes we overlook Some of those elements I just said like the Sometimes not mental sometimes not motionals. I'm not physical and and we get sloppy we get lazy and I take that job really seriously And so to me being an ultimate human is the ability to I do that well so that my kids can then keep doing that well over time And so that it really affects multiple people multiple generations. That's awesome man. Well Thank you for coming on the ultimate human podcast. Thank you This was amazing. We're definitely gonna have you back When you get those articles published. I'd love to have you send them over. I'll link them in the show now It's a great Until next time guys, that's just science.