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Speaker 3Welcome in to the Arrowhead Addict Podcast. I am Price Carter, and today we are going to be talking about a recent article that came out. I actually just wrote a piece about this for the website as well, too. But I figured it'd be good to channel my inner Matt Verderam here. Bill Barnwell on Thursday came out with a piece talking about who is every team's Hall of Famer, who are on the. Path to Hall of Fame, and who has some work to do. You can check it out on ESPN. Sean and I, producer Sean, we're talking pre-pod that, you know, we really respect Bill Barnwell, thinks he does a nice job. And I still conclude this. This isn't a personal attack on him or anything like that. I just disagree with something that he wrote. Which, by the way, if you're going to do this job and write and post and talk about things with your opinion, sometimes you're just going to have opinions that people disagree with. And that's totally okay. What would be the point of the job if everyone just agreed with everyone all the time? But to Barnwell's credit, in his chief segment, because he has it for each team, he puts Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey, and Patrick Mahomes in the, like, automatic category, basically, of, like, they've already eclipsed that mark. And then he has Creed Humphrey as someone who, like, keep it up, like, he's on that track and then needs some work, he put Trey Smith. But really where this kind of sent me off the edge here a little bit was his part about the bill. Where he wrote a paragraph, and I want to make sure I quote it correctly, just so I'm being accurate. He wrote for the Buffalo Bills that Josh Allen's already in the Hall of Fame. Allen would be quarterback on the all-decade first team if it were to be released tomorrow. What? All-decade team. So keep in mind, this time period now, we're talking 2020 till today. It's worth noting here in this discussion, the decade is half over. Right? So you might be listening to this and saying, well, maybe Bill's just really bullish about the future of the Bills and thinks that Allen is going to kick the door down and, you know, maybe his head coach was holding him back or he's just really bullish on it. But that's not what Bill Barnwell said. He said Allen would be the quarterback on the all-decade first team if it were to be released tomorrow. So that's not about what, that's not projection. That's not what's coming. It's what's happening tomorrow. Thus far. And this isn't just a Patrick Mahomes thing. I mean, obviously we'll talk about it, but that statement to me is just ridiculous. So let's get into it. So first off, you might say in Barnwell mentioned here that Lamar Jackson might have a claim to this as well. Lamar Jackson. So Lamar Jackson's won two MVPs to Josh Allen's one, but Lamar's first MVP came in 2019. So it's excluded from this discussion. So Lamar and Josh both have the same amount of MVPs. They went head to head essentially for the MVP in 2023. Let me read you off the stats for Lamar Jackson in 2023, where Josh Allen won the MVP. Lamar had a better completion percentage, better passing yards, better passing yards per attempt, better passing yards per a game, more passing touchdowns, 41 to Josh Allen's 28. Lamar threw four interceptions. Two interceptions to Josh Allen's six that year, a better passer rating, more rush attempts, more rush yards, more rushing yards per an attempt, and had more fantasy points. He also led in total pass EPA, EPA per dropback, passer rating, completion percentage, and passing DVOA. Yet, Josh Allen was named the MVP. And this was a highly contested MVP where Lamar Jackson was the AP first team all pro, but Josh Allen won MVP. Why does this defense give up a lot of points in the playoffs? oh it's because they face Patrick Holmes or the other thing that has been an issue for Josh Allen in the playoffs is turning the ball over like hey don't get into a playoff blowout uh you know score fest with Skyler Thompson and the Dolphins because you turn the ball over so much so the Matt Stafford versus Josh Allen claim I I think Stafford probably has a slightly better claim though I think calling him the quarterback of the decade would probably be silly because Stafford has had a few down years and obviously we don't think that Stafford is going to finish the decade but again this is if the list came out tomorrow and lastly and most obviously let's get to Patrick Mahomes's claim here first off Mahomes has the same amount of MVPs Mahomes first MVP came in 2018 he has more first team all pros he has four Super Bowl appearances which is something that is still doing a lot of work for Joe Burrow and his Super Bowl appearance two Super and three MVPs and that's not even including Allen being 0-4 against Mahomes in the playoffs so far the story of Josh Allen's career in the NFL has been a great player who can't get over the hump that hump just happens to wear number 15 and play football in Arrowhead Mahomes has also led Allen during this time so we're not talking about full career so the argument of like oh well he had prime Tyreek and prime Kelsey he did have prime Kelsey and prime Tyreek for a miscast of weapons that he's had recently Mahomes has led Allen in completion percentage overall record pass yards pass yards per game passing TD and has thrown less interceptions with five fewer games in general when it comes to a Hall of Fame case I love the narrative of can you tell the NFL and leave this player out for Patrick Mahomes the answer is a resounding no right you can't leave out three Super Bowls five Super Bowl appearances two MVPs and the NFL's most recent dynasty for Josh Allen that's still up for debate right like I I don't know he's won an MVP he's been a very good player but right now Josh Allen's story is but he faced Patrick Mahomes and look like I'll go back to this right Josh Allen has some stats that are better than Patrick Mahomes in the decade let's go back to a recent trend the 2010s all decade team Tom Brady was voted the unanimous all decade quarterback unanimous does a single person say that Drew Brees was the quarterback of the decade for the 2010s he has better raw passing stats than Tom Brady now Brees never won an MVP but it's almost the exact same uh comparison and Brady beat Drew Brees head up in the playoffs in 2020 football is a team game and ultimately winning a not winning a Super Bowl shouldn't be solely on Josh Allen's feet and I don't think that this is what this is about I think what this is about is really just looking at the accolades the MVP that he won and the fact that what this team has been over the last couple of years it's struggled because of facing Patrick Mahomes it's struggled because Patrick Mahomes keeps shutting the door on this team you look at a guy like Peyton Manning right he's a guy who took 10 years to win a Super Bowl no one knocks Peyton Manning for that I mean maybe some people do but he's still a Hall of Fame quarterback and maybe that will be the story of Josh Allen is that he finally gets the right coach or the right weapons around him and he's able to win that Super Bowl but with all that being said right now claiming that Josh Allen is the quarterback of the decade with one MVP zero first team all pros and nothing else to his name and playoff losses that have stacked up against Patrick Mahomes I I'm not sure where Bill Barnwell is going with this I I really don't it seems to be an ESPN thing but I think if you're a Rams fan if you're a Ravens fan if you're a Chiefs fan it's a pretty crazy statement so that's that's kind of my channeling my inner Matt Bergeram there on that issue where we're talking about how much of a shortcoming this is in this article so check the piece out the Josh Allen PR machine just continues to run full speed it'll be interesting to see how this year goes now that he's got DJ Moore still has James Cook and a very good offensive line they just locked up a siren storm so that's my take on this check out the article I also wrote this up in kind of a text piece if you want to look it up on the website as well too we'll be back on Monday talking about the latest happenings from training camp as the Chiefs ramp up to their first preseason game so check that out and as always here at Arrowhead Addict go Chiefs
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