Jonathan V. Last: How Much Stupid Can We Possibly Take?

[MUSIC] >> Hello and welcome to the board, daily. I'm your host Tim Miller. I want to start with a big shout out to my guy, Pablo Torre. It was so rarely do the good guys win in a story. So rarely do our big, rich oligarchs get punished for their cheating and it happened. People doubted Pablo, they smeared Pablo and he was fucking right and Steve Balmer. Sorry Steve Balmer, I mean, there are other rich guys I wish we'd be punished before Steve Balmer. But it's just nice to get one. It's nice to have one happy story. So if you guys don't know what I'm talking about, you can go like that. Pablo did a deep investigation to the way that the owner of the clippers cheat it. And boy was the punishment real, so shout out. The Bork.com/events, go there. The Columbia Charlotte and Atlanta shows are coming together and they're going to be bopped. So if you don't have your tickets yet, please go get them. Also, if you're on YouTube right now, half of you don't subscribe. 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So we'll begin with the happy. I had a fellow by the name of Rich Beres, big data Republican, the people's pundit on the bowl or takes feed last night. This is 30 minutes of just pure joy for you if you're listening right now. If you just want to treat yourself to a little guilty pleasure, 30 minutes of listening to a mag, like it really died in the wool maga pollster talking about how fucked the Republicans are because Donald Trump is screwing everything up is really satisfying. I loved it. I loved him. Again, Tim, I have a real soft spot for genuine magas. Yeah. Right. Like people who just really believe what they believe, okay, the MTGs of the world, this guy, what I don't like is the ones who like, you know, piss in your pocket and tell you it's right. And he didn't do that. He was great. I think you ought to make it a regular, regular bit. Me too. We didn't. I wanted to argue with him a little more. But Rich projects, uh, easy wins for John Ossoff and Abdul El-Sahed and any thinks that even some of these tricks took a Tucker endorsement last night. Not exactly. I don't want to impune Abdul with saying he got the Tucker endorsement. I think what Tucker said, I don't know if the quote in front of me, but it was something like I would kill myself before voting for microaggers. So it's kind of like a negative. That was an endorsement when he wrote in, when he was, I guess he wouldn't write in America first. He said, Abdul was really America first. Abdul is really good on APAC from Tucker's point of view. You know how we always made fun of all the never-Trumpers who couldn't decide between Kamala and, and Trump or Biden and Trump. And so they wrote in Edmund Burke who would be the Tucker version of writing in Edmund Burke. And who would he write in? That is a tough one. It would be kind of like father cough, or something. I'll workshop that. We'll workshop that. Huey Long. Papu Cannon. Papu Cannon. Yeah. Tucker wrote in that. Thing, thing, thing. Here's some other good news. Isn't just Rich Barris. It isn't just the people's front. Call Ro from the establishment side. The Republican Party said this on Fox yesterday. Time is running out. If the president wants to have Paxton, when he needs to start tossing a lot of money Paxton's way. And a lot of people are raising this alarm. People in the Republican side don't understand why they're not spending to help Paxton. They're very concerned Paxton might lose. Trump was. Have they seen Paxton? Well, Trump was asked about this yesterday. Trump was asked about this yesterday. Actually, after apologies. Yesterday we played an ad or his voice was in it. It didn't occur to me to that counts, but we don't play clips of Trump. So I'm going to have to read it. And you hate to hand it to Trump, but this is a good one. Ken Paxton. You might not like the way he dresses. And I say this. It's so insulting to him, but I might as well say it. You might not like the way he looks. You might not love his television reviews, but he was the best attorney general and that speaks a lot louder than the suit that he's wearing that doesn't look so great or than anything frankly. I like how he goes back in. He, it's got one of these things where he's like I'm attacking him. He's ugly. He dresses horribly. His interviews are boring. He's really unappealing, but he's good, but also he really does dress badly. So this is all good news, right, JBL? Should we start the pod here? I grit various car. Real Trump. Nobody. I mean, it seems pretty negative. I still think Tolerico is a stretch. Okay. But you know, like it's, there's a chance right even if it's a one in three chance, one if you have been told you have a one in three chance of winning a Texas Senate seat. You would have fought yourself. That's good. I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, what did you have any thoughts on the weekend packs and dresses? You're not really a start to worry all credit. I would say when you're a man of a certain age, you do have to stop wearing untucked button down shirts. Leave it at that. Yeah. You know, I don't wear untucked button down shirts. I'm younger than that, dude. I do, but you know, I was at ladies' weights class last night. You're also much younger. Not that much. Trump, you know, very rarely makes me laugh and other people he find find it very funny. But every once in a while, I do have to admit he gets me and the only thing I felt was missing from Ken Paxson was the classic Trump comment about Barney Frank R.I.P. where he said Barney Frank looking disgusting, protruding nipples. And I was watching the Paxton video. Paxton also had protruding nipples. And so then we're going to know Paxson's really in trouble as Trump points out his protruding nipples. All right. There we go. That's enough happiness. We're going to move on to the Department of War. We talked about this a little bit with Michael Weiss yesterday. He created a little bit of a stir talking about Ricky Burria. Some, I hear there's some scuttle butt over in the Pentagon about the Ricky Burria, Rasputin information coming out of the public sphere. And among the people that have taken the news of what's been happening with Pentagon Purley and Dandruff Skull being fired from Arie's army secretary was North Carolina Center Tom Tillis. Yeah. Would you like to hear what he said or do you have to -- I would love to hear it. And then I can react to it. I mean, I'm cheating because I know this because I wrote about it today. Okay. God. Okay. Well, I'm excited to read what you wrote about it. I almost had a stroke on x.com yesterday when I started reading this. So here we go. If I can make it through -- make it through that. I served on the Senate Armed Services Committee for eight years, and as chair or ranking member of the personnel and readiness subcommittee, I have never witnessed more inept management of the brave men and women who serve our country. Hags of his intimidated by competence and retreats to ginning up culture wars instead of soberly, interesting word, attending to the vital work of our national defense and the health and well-being of our fighting force. I urge the president to find a new leader at the Pentagon who will retain and empower our military talent rather than diminish it, Tom Tillis. You might think I like that statement, but you would be wrong because Pete Hagseth got confirmed by a vote of 50 to 50. And there was a single person who could have stopped him from doing this. This very predictable thing that everybody said was going to happen. This very obvious thing that a drunk weekend talk show co-host was going to be put in charge of this massive bureaucracy, the biggest military in the world. Everyone knew that it was going to be a disaster, and do you know who confirmed him for that role? Tom Fucking Tillis. >> I don't have a question. More to come. >> Well, I'm so I struggled with this aspect of it, Tim. Would you prefer he didn't say something? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Fair. >> I would. Go away, go to Siberia, Tom Tillis, like go to Siberia, or I guess what I would prefer in the perfect world is Tom Tillis to come onto the Bullard podcast and say, I fucked this up worse than anything I've ever fucked up in my life. And it was extremely predictable, and I should have known it. And you guys were right, and I will do whatever you ask. I put me in coach, I will go campaign for Abdul Al-Sahiad if necessary. I will do anything. Don't get too crazy. >> I mean, that's what he should do. >> Of course. >> That's what he should do. He made Pete eggs at the head of the Department of Defense insane. He was once the ranking number of the personnel and ready subcommittee. You think you would know? >> So this is the thing that I, and Tillis just did this four weeks ago with the blanch stuff, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then he voted for me. >> And then he voted. >> Again. >> Here the phrasing of his statement, Alibis Trump again. Like, you know, I'm calling on, it's Hegsith is the problem. Please, Mr. George, the president. I urge you, sir. Like, it isn't that if Trump doesn't fire him, then Trump, who's the commander in chief, is the one who's doing something terrible? Like, you can't say that. It's just him jerking off in public, isn't it? Yes. Yes. That is what, like, if you can't say-- In the longest way possible. Hegsith should be fired. And if Hegsith isn't fired, then the commander in chief is a fuck-up and ought to be impeached or something. Like, I mean, because if it is true that what he says, that this is the most incompetent secretary of defense ever, and that he's harming the troops, et cetera, and it is true that the president won't replace him, and the president should probably be impeached, shouldn't he? Yeah, or we should do everything possible to contain him. Yes, maybe. But until us won't even go to criticize. Because you're here, Trump. But to your point of jerking off in public like this, this is exactly doing. He's sucking himself off. Like, he's like, oh, oh, you guys are so stupid to look at me. Like, wrong jerking me. Look at my huge member. Like, I am so great. And like, you guys are so bad and so dumb. And like, wow, you should really do better. Let me finish on you. Like, it's like, what? You did this. You did this, Tom. Tell us. You put pretext at the secretary of law. You hired him. You hired him, you know? It's weird that he can't even insert a-- boy, I can't believe this guy fooled me. Like, there's no-- it is as if that thing that happened-- well, that was an alternate universe. That was Tom Tillus from Earth X. Who cast that boat? Not me. I didn't do that. That was the other Earth. Tom Tillus, like, there's just no-- I'm a weak man. These guys were all weak. Trump was right. A weak man. Trump was right. Yes. I mean, Trump looked at the Republican Party and said, these guys are a bunch of fucking weaklings. And he was right. Jay-Mart was interviewing Susan Collins yesterday. And she-- I think she does not look good. I mean, she's very shaky and-- She passed her prime. No, I wouldn't say that. You're one-sixteenth, I do. You're one-sixteenth, I'm saying I'm wrong. You're one-sixteenth of a doctor, but-- Yes. --doesn't look great. But she's kind of stuttering out, like, why she's done what she did and not what the chain did. With the case of Liz Cheney, what influence does she have today? It's not just that she lost her seat is that she has no impact in my view. What influence and impact have you shown? Like, Pete, hey, Seth is the Secretary of War. Like, you guys did have a chance to have influence and impact. You know, you could have done your job, which is to advise and consent the president and have the president decide. So he's going to-- I told him this is doing this thing like you said. Well, what's the Russian line about how, you know, the-- the something, not the czar? Oh, the commissars. They are. If only the czar knew what they were doing, something like that. And this is like that. But like, you are the advisors in this case. Like, there's one opportunity where you were able to advise Trump. And you said, OK, sure. We're going to put a total buffoon in charge of the defense department. We're going to put somebody that doesn't believe in mRNA research in front of HHS. Like, we're going to-- like, we are going to do this. I'm going to rub or stamp it. I mean, Collins, I think, put it against HHS. I should say, like, if she's saying she has influence and impact, you would think that among the places she would have influence, an impact would be her colleagues in the Senate. But she hasn't stopped anything. She hasn't done anything. Like, what is the impact? It's like, like, 1988, where there's a lot of pork barrel stuff you're bringing home. Like, they're not even passing anything. Like, she's a head of the approach to pre-eations to be able to-- and she did fund the ice agents to kill somebody in the streets of her state. But like, where is the impact? So with Susan Collins, it's actually worse than that, because she works very hard to not have influence. Right. I mean, you look at her voting record and what she does is, she makes sure that her vote won't matter. And if her vote doesn't matter, then she'll go and do the opposite, and hop off the bus. And so it's like, her entire career in the age of Trump has been making sure she does not influence anything. Right. And I don't even know what to say. So what is the important? I guess, like, you tell yourself you have this influence, because I don't even have a security, and you've got staff, and people call your office, and you write them letters. On any of the big things, I like the big ticket things that have happened that have hurt the state of Maine, the murder in the street, the tear-ups, you're a neighbor to Canada. It's like the goal to tell Jonathan Martin that you took the path you did so you could have influence and impact, like three days after Trump starts a crippling trade war with a country that borders you, where there's a ton of economic cross-pollination and tourism. Where was your influence? In her defense, I do suspect that Susan Collins believes what she's saying. Sure, I do too. Total delusional. Yeah, I think she's just delusional, yeah. My favorite anecdote about Susan Collins ever, by the way, I love bringing this up anytime she comes up, is that on January 6th, I forget what I was watching, she was doing an interview, and she said, "When I first thought it was the Iranians, she was dead serious." This is not like Matt Gaetz pretending like he thought it was Antifa, you know, for spin, like she was dead serious, like she somehow thought that the Iranians were storming the capital. Could have been. Yeah. Well, there were a lot of Iranians down at the, at the speech. You could see when the cameras pan through all those brown faces. Yeah, I really hope she loses. Okay, I want to go to yesterday's news. So is there anything else on Hegset? You said, "I haven't read your, try that out yet." So in my defense, I'm not serring. I can't have read it. But is there anything other on Hegset? Yeah, it's okay. People can read it. It's about how he's already working hard to lose America's next war. Like he's, he's not finished losing the current war, but he's already working ahead and, and getting started on the next, the next war too. Well, that's great news. Congrats to Tom Tilla. So that'll be another L on his head. I want to talk about your news that are from yesterday, about Venezuela and this mob deal that we're doing for the oil and Venezuela. I kind of feel like this, I wanted to mall again on this one because Bill and I talked about it on Monday. And I felt like I was in a situation when I was like, guys, you don't understand how crazy this Venezuela thing is. Like it's, it's just on its face obviously. It's ridiculous, but it's even crazy when you guys understand. And then I felt like when I didn't, I didn't feel like I explained it properly. And then your newsletter yesterday, like really laid it out. And so I want a second swing. I want you to tell people what exactly is going on with this supposed oil deal. Okay, so the oil deal is illegal. And I mean this in all of the ways. So it is the Department of Defense, which has taken, I think it's 30% stake, 35% stake in this Venezuelan company, which is a state-run company. So the Department of Defense is not allowed to take equity positions. There's a reason for that, which is that the military should not have an independent source of funding. Do you know what happens in countries where the military funds itself? - They line up taking over. - Yeah, right, right. In Venezuela, their own constitution says that this is illegal. It's articles 12 and 13, they're like very, very clear. Foreign entities cannot touch our natural resources. They can't have leases, they can't rent them. Like this is, no, no, no, no, no. So it's illegal from both ends. It can't possibly last. By the way, it's on a bunch of land that's really inaccessible and the reserves aren't really useful for American purposes because of the quality of the oil, leave that aside. And then the craziness is, so I got pulled in the rabbit hole of this guy, who was the intermediary of all this, who is Alejandro Betancourt Lopez, who is like a, like Jared and Don Jr. had a baby. - A Latino baby. - A Latino baby. - Yeah, okay, so. - So keep going. Tell me about Alejandro. - It's the craziest fucking thing. So this guy's very young, he's 46. He is born in pre-Chavez Venezuela when Venezuela is a functioning, actually very well to do liberal democracy. He's 19 when Chavez takes over. And by the time he's out of college, and he comes from a very wealthy family to begin with, you have in early Chavez years, the elites in Venezuela doing one of two things. They're the people who decide they're going to try to oppose Chavez and recapture liberal democracy. And then you have rich guys like Alejandro who decide they want to play ball. And they go from being like, you know, normal rich to being filthy fucking oligarch rich. And this is what happens every time a strong man takes over everywhere in the world. This is Saudi Arabia. This is Putin's Russia, it's a tale is all this time. This is happening right now here. America, right, right, with, with, with, with, not like, and the, Trump kids. The Trump kids, who said, like, I, with the Wiccuff kids, yeah, all those, anyway. So Alejandro decides I'm going to play ball with Chavez and Maduro. And what he gets in return from that is a bunch of state run contracts for power generation. And so he's like 29 years old and he's being given $2 billion to, you know, I think you're just the kind of guy to go building power plants for us. Yeah. Right. And he then goes from that to he gets a stake in the state run oil conglomerate. And then he starts making a whole bunch of really weird moves internationally. He becomes part of a financial services conglomerate, part of a conglomerate that's opening up banks in Africa. He buys a discount sunglasses company called Hawkers. He opens up a Spanish version of Uber, basically. And so he's doing all of these very strange unrelated businesses internationally. And by total coincidence, a whole bunch of countries start investigating him for money laundering. And it does seem possible that the guy whose entire career is made by Korean favor with the narcoterrests who run Venezuela might have been potentially allegedly involved in some way. Now important to say, he's never been fully charged or convicted in any jurisdiction. He's fled a couple of countries. He has fled a couple of countries. And then he hired Rudy in the Trump first term when he was investigated by Trump's DOJ. And he hired Rudy in the Trump DOJ dropped it and then somehow after that also Switzerland decided to stop pursuing him because Switzerland was pursuing him as well. He gets in all of this by being in type with Chavez and Maduro. And at some point, Maduro cuts him out. And it's not entirely clear what happens here. My guess is some other oligarch made a better offer. And so Maduro forces him to sell his share in the state run oil company. He's stripped of it. I forget whether he sells it or is stripped of it. And he then decides, Alejandro, well, fuck that. I'm going to get Maduro. And so he starts putting money into the opposition. He flees the country. He has all of his assets that are still in Venezuela seized. But he's got assets all over Europe and in Africa and stuff. So he's doing fine. He's living high in the hog in Spain. He then has to leave Spain because the Spanish police are investigating him for money laundering. So he goes to the UK. He sets up business in the UK. He winds up being kept under house arrest in the UK because the Swiss are trying to extradite him because they're doing a money laundering investigation. But while he is in the UK, Delsey Rodriguez calls him up and is like, hey, you know, if you want it to come back, as long as you promise to be a good boy and you don't cause any trouble for Nikki, I think I could probably make that work. And he realizes, oh, I now have something to give Trump, right? He had needed Trump's help, which is why he hired Rudy, and so he becomes the back channel to Delsey Rodriguez. And it is now clear his day. And I think I said this to you when we did the kidnapping in January, obviously Delsey gave up her boss, right? Oh, yeah. And he's on the phone in this, some of this reporting I think that Alejandro is like on the phone with her that night for hours and hours and she's freaking out because she thinks that the Americans killed Maduro. And her understanding of the deal was that they were only going to arrest him. Yeah. And Alejandro is saying, no, no, don't worry. He's not dead. It's all going to be okay. You can trust these guys. You're going to run everything, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So Delsey takes over and one month later, Pam Bondy and Todd Blanche start talking to the Swiss saying, hey, guys, you got to drop this extradition request. We need him to be able to travel freely between the US and Venezuela. He's doing an important work for us. It's quite destroying. It's amazing. So we do a legal coup with a international criminal, money laundering criminal allegedly. Allegedly. And we work as a team with him, take over the government and now are illegally stealing their oil with the Venezuelans. It's a short summary of what happened. And you hear the story, you're kind of like oligarchs, rich people, international, even thank God. This sounds like the Epstein class, doesn't it? And I'm going to tell you, I got a DM last night about this story. And it's not just the Epstein class. It's Epstein's friends again. It's an Epstein friend. The Trump did this deal with Alejandro and Epstein were linked in friends. Which is nice. You knew this? Alejandro requested Epstein on LinkedIn. That's in the files. Some emails back in fourth, Epstein asks another intermediary. If he insults it, Alejandro misspells Alejandro. He says, why did you guys disappear? He's copied on emails about a meeting in Palm Beach. So it's like, we did a coup with an Epstein associate to take over Venezuela and steal their oil legally. That's what we got. Great. Okay. It's great. I just, I felt like people deserve the full story there. Because it's one of these things that like is obviously on its face, it's insane that we're kidnapping people in Venezuela and trying to steal their oil, but like the details get a little complicated. But I think that the detail, it's important to, to wait through the details to just understand the scope of the madness around us. I want to go from there to an interview that JD Vance did with a child podcaster. My understanding is you've not watched this interview. I'm coming in cold. I have to suffer through JD. It's, I guess it's relevant to what we're about to talk about. It's a little bit of the Catholic in me. You know, I feel like it's kind of the penance I have for being a former Republican. I have to do self-penance various times. And one of the self-penances I've to do is monitor the person that most offends my being. You know, and it's like that's the kind of cross I have to bear, if you will, to use a Catholic phrase. JD talks about his faith a lot. It doesn't really ever use any Catholic phrases. The response to the first clip I'm going to play, one of these clips I got to laugh from a post on X from a gal named Claire Stagg, who says, "This dude is just three evangelicals and a trench coat." That's pretty good. And so I want to use that as the kind of intro to a series of clips of JD vans talking to a child podcaster about his faith and how he kind of balances his faith with his responsibilities as a leader. What I'm trying to focus on is doing as much of God's work as possible right now. And if that leads to the end times, okay. Why would it lead to the end times? I don't understand, there's so much to unpack in such a short clip. Are you doing God's work? Is kidnapping people and sending them to a foreign country God's work, is shooting people in the street God's work? Calmingly and blood libels. Right. The things he's doing where he says things that are knowingly false about people to demonize them and then promises to keep saying those false things. Is that God's work? Is that God's work? Emily Zinnati wrote this, I don't exactly know where she is in Trump these days, but she was Trump curious, kind of a right wing media figure. She writes this about JD, you know what I give up? This belief isn't even Catholic, dispensationalism is a heresy. I don't think he's doing it as a heresy, but it's deeply weird. Matt, who's such me the handle is Matt, please clap, which is rude. Do we really start to be making fun of Job 10 years later? Fun fact, Roman Catholicism doesn't believe that human actions can bring around about an acceleration of the end times. It's that he really struggles with kind of the basics. In a different interview that we know of the audio of, or a print interview, he said it was a week he was trying to describe blood libels or why anti-semitism was a blood libel and he misunderstands blood libels, which is kind of an old testament thing. Okay. But then he says that, you know, something on the lines of like, you know, it's deeply anti-Christian to believe that somebody is guilty based on their blood. And I was like, it's kind of like the original sin, it's kind of like the fun of the mental thing. Pretty sure. It's actually kind of like step one. It's like love your neighbor as yourself, original sin. Like if you know two things, like kind of those are the things that you know. Anything else in the end times, just really move on to whether JD is going to happen. I mean, I have never in my life heard a Catholic use the phrase end times, I don't think. Like, that's just an evangelical way of talking about the world. That's fine. All right. Two, is JD going to happen? On a scale of one to 10, 10 being absolutely certain, one being not certain at all, how confident are you that you'd go to heaven? Oh, man. That is a tough question. It's high, but it's not 10, right? I mean, it's a seven or it's an eight. Like, I'm always one of these people who is always going to have little doubts and like, if you'd asked me that question a year ago, probably it was like a five or a six. Wow. Wait, why the, why the change like five or six and now seven or eight, because I'd say the difference is, and again, I all respect to God, but I still occasionally have doubts like is, is this actually real? Yeah. Right? Wait. I might be in a simulation. He's a seven or eight, not because he has doubts on whether he might be going to hell. He's a seven or eight because he doesn't, he's not sure that God exists actually. We might be living in a simulation. I do talk to Peter Teal about that quite a lot and Elon, Elon says there's a high chance of her in a simulation. So, you know, that's why I might not go to heaven. - How do you process that? - Well, I mean, look, I don't wanna, I don't wanna speak for everybody, but my sense, not a priest, not a canon lawyer, is that every Catholic's answer to that question should be one. Right, every Catholic's answer to the question of, how sure you that you're going to heaven, one should be it, because you don't get to go to heaven on your own. It is only by God's grace that you go to heaven because His mercy is infinite. - Right, and that's so, yeah, I'm mad. - It's also an evangelical thing, right? To be in your phaser, it's a seven or eight, because it's a few, we're now gonna get into a little dorm room theology talk, but this view that by accepting Jesus into your heart, like that's how you need to do, right? That's not the counterfeit view, right? Like, you can understand why he'd be like, well, I'm going to, if you were of a faith, if heaven exists, I'm going there. - Right, yeah, if you're a simulation, if you're in a faith journey where, you know, you're of a faith tradition where all you have to do is believing is enough, then like, yeah, then you're gonna go unless heaven doesn't exist, right? Like the framework that he's thinking about it in, and it's like, whatever, that's fine. If it wasn't for the fact that he just wrote a fucking book about his conversion to Catholicism, he doesn't understand anything about it. He doesn't seem to have thought about any of the Catholic teachings at all for like even one second. - I mean, are you surprised? - I'm a little surprised that you can't fake it better. Like, JD's a little bit of a cipher, like a sociopath. Like, I don't know. Like, I mean you're still a Catholic and good standing, and believe this, I don't, I'm lapsed, but I could fucking fake it. Like, if I decided to run for president, I needed to be a good Catholic. I could sit down with this child podcaster, and I could fucking fake it. But he can't even fake it. - I don't know who, I think might have been Karris Wischer, who said this talking about Elon Musk. Who said that, you know, Elon Musk sounds really smart. So long as he's talking about something you don't know anything about. And if you know, like, you know, if you were even half of a subject matter expert, he starts talking about the area of the world you know, you look at me like, this is fucking bullshit. JD's the same way. And so like, I hear JD all the time, and I just can't believe anybody can be persuaded by anything he says because he's so fucking stupid about the world, he's just a bullshitter. And so that's how I, I mean, I just assumed this whole Catholic thing was just part of his brand repositioning and not having to do with anything real. - Seven or eight. - But, you know, I don't know the disposition of another man's soul. I hope, I hope. - I mean, you do kind of, 'cause he wrote in his book. - I guess I did. - He wrote in his book that he doesn't think about, he doesn't fear how, he doesn't think about that. - Well, you know. - He was, it's just a strange deal. Like he is concerned that his actions might bring about the end times here on earth, but he's not concerned at all that like his actions might lead to God judging him and sending him to hell. Like to call it sociopath, he really kind of understates that honestly. - Oh, he's, he's 100% a sociopath, total. 100%. - We have one more, I'm sorry, we have one more, we gotta just do one more, it'll be quick. - Okay. - Do I think that we're in the end times? I don't know, and I think that it's probably bad for me spiritually to focus too much on it, because there are like things you gotta do. I gotta be good to my wife, I gotta be good to my kids. I have to be, you know, as good of a leader as I can for the United States of America. And so I think that focusing, while I'm fascinated by it, I think focusing on it is too much can be very bad. I think that there are like things about the world that make me feel like not shocked if the antichrist was, was walking among us. But again, I try not to focus too much on it. - Same. We'll see, I'm glad we were kind of find a place for JD and I do a great. Around the antichrist might be walking among us. Sure might be. Might be the founder of your whole political project, actually. I was gonna rank the most likely people to be the antichrist. All right, whoo, that was good. I've got two other topics I guess that's kind of related to, you know, we're going through kind of like a podcast, different rights of confession right now. And so I've got a topic where we can discuss something JD might need to confess for. And then I have a topic that I suspect might lead you to go to confession, which we do first. Let's stay with JD and then we'll go to you. - Okay. - The news in Springfield lately like really has me like struggling with my rage. Like I think I posted on on Substack the other day, one of Jim Swift's dispatches from from Springfield like saying like I'm susceptible to being recruited by a militia right now. Like an anti-government militia came to me like I would be, my ears would be more open than they've been before. I don't know how to use any weapons. I'm kind of a girly boy. So I don't know why it would be a top recruit, but like I don't know maybe they could put me in the, in the propaganda department or something but like, I'm like really fucking mad. And the story of the Pierre Bell, he did nothing wrong. He went to college. He should have a student visa. We shackle him with this massive ankle bracelet. He can't play soccer. He can't do JROTC. He did nothing wrong. He kills himself. It's just, it makes it hard to get up in the morning, honestly. So anyway, I don't know. What do you think of it? - I had a question for you. Well, I want to say with the militia thing. So do you remember the Bundy Ranch standoff? - Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. - Right, so a bunch of militia guys, a lot of guns, got together and obstructed the work of federal agents. And do you remember where the federal agents did? Do you remember how they rammed their cars and then pushed them all into the ground and shot them in the back? And then, you know, just started to open up. Do you remember? Oh, that didn't happen. - I don't think that's what happened. I was a child in the 90s. I'm pretty sure the agents kind of like stated at distance in the woods while they gather to weapons. - For weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks to find an offer amp and then eventually compromised. I wonder if people on the left decided that they were going to start embracing the second amendment, like really embracing the second amendment and organizing. - And created like a ranch in Springfield where the Haitians could live or they'd protect them. - I wonder if the government would show the same restraint and wisdom, which by the way, I think I'm in favor of the way the government handled, the Bundy ranchers. I think probably good. They didn't massacre, you know, 200 people. But I wonder if that same sense of restraint would be true or if suddenly these would be domestic terrorists. I don't know, it's hard to say. - I think we know the answer. I saw this clip yesterday of Mike DeWine, who is the governor of Ohio, who's like one of the three quasi-normal Republicans left in the country and he was talking about how the situation of Pierre and how tragic it is. And after he talked about how tragic it was and you know how unfortunate it is, he said, "I think that it should lead us to think, you know, as a country about domestic deportation effort." And we should really think about that. And like, whether. - I would think on that. - That's the right thing for the country. Yeah, how a nice thing. And I'm like, you're the fucking governor of Ohio. Like this is yours, like what happened to, like we're a Republican out of democracy. This is states right. So you're the governor, like you could go to the legal route and sue the administration, sue the Department of Homeland Security and the way that they're carrying out their actions. You could go further. - But the Ohio state police in the streets of Springfield to make sure that the government agents are behaving themselves. - You can protect legal residents. - I know lots of things you could do. - Tons of things you could do, past thinking. - Like Tom, tell us. - Yeah, tons of things you could do. - That's the same thing. - I don't know. It's tough to come out off a JD talking about going to heaven and like looking about these stories. So these people who, like I would be against this if they were actually illegal immigrants but it hadn't brought me rules. But like these, this kid's going to write state, like there are a bunch of other kids at Wright state who have student visas. - We're from other countries who aren't legal permanent residents. - The administration is turning them into it. - Yeah. - Choosing to. - You volunteered to serve. He's in the JROTC. They killed himself. Like the administration did it. Like because they specifically targeted the Haitians because of their race, because they were a useful foil to advance a one-mile against, like, right? - But JD's chances are going to heaven and going up in the last year. - So. (laughing) We want to do everything we can to help people with Springfield. So I know that Jim Swift in the newsletter has put out various organizations that are doing good work and I will put them in the show notes if you want to help them. - I have a little bit more sympathy for a different group of people. And I just, I get the sense based on some messages that I got from you and just knowing you so well all the time, we spent together that maybe your empathy doesn't quite extend to that group. It was on Tuesday of this week. I'd Ruby Kramer on the podcast. - Sure, great show. - Yeah, thank you. Really elegant profile, she's a great profile writer of this couple in West Virginia and that basically got divorced over Maha and their kids got. What appears to be measles kind of a weird situation where everything about it said measles. but the test came back negative and then that there are false negatives. And so there's a little bit of mystery in the story as well, but the kids, including one that has special needs, were not getting the medical services they needed. We got this one, they got measles because of their mother's maha police. And Ruby and I expressed, you know, obviously frustration with that, but also empathy and also thinking what's the right way to go about this. When we talked a little bit about how, you know, by telling them, listen to your doctors and follow the science, people feel like you're talking down to them, and you're kind of sending them, and that has a backlash effect. I sense that you maybe don't care that much about the backlash effect. So I was in the car listening to this show, literally screaming out loud, like a crazy person, as I was listening to it. And the first part was when Ruby was describing the woman, Leah, as like you were literally screaming, literally screaming, like audible, like like Sam Kiddinson, I was screaming, very healthy, very good, good to scream when you're listening to podcasts shows that shows good for you. And Leah describes herself as just, you know, being a person is just really open-minded. And she explains that that's how she got into the maha stuff because she's just open-minded about things. People are so stupid. And one of the ways in which people are incredibly stupid is they have absurd self-images because Leah is not open-minded. Right? Leah has her mind made up about exactly what she wants, and there is nothing that can convince her of otherwise. Right? And so this is, you get in this fundamental place where you're trying to convince people who can't even understand themselves of the world around them. Can I really understand ourselves? I think that's part of the challenge of being human and that many people succeed at it. It's true. Not people like Leah. It's hard. And when Ruby said, Ruby said something like, you know, when you say things like, look, look at the scientific literature, look at the epidemiology, et cetera, people feel like they're being condescended to and like you're telling them that they're stupid. And I just thought, yes, yes. And why can't we just say that? Why can't we say, instead of like, you know, patting them on the head, just say, listen, you are stupid. You don't know anything about this shit. Where did you go to college? What did you major in? Do you understand how a G-Couple protein works? Do you have any idea like how pharmacological mechanisms function? Do you think that white blood cells function because they want something? Because there's a little white blood cell brain that's saying, oh, I got to go get the germs. Like you're in the fucking Saturday morning cartoon explanation of how Bill becomes a law. That's how it's all just fucking physics. All right. All of everything that happens inside the body is physics. It all boils down to math. And let me tell you, Leah, you are stupid. You don't have any fucking clues to how the world works. And so you should just listen to the people who are smarter than you. That was really satisfying. Because that's not condescending. A little rude, but there's a deep insight there that I think is worth exploring. And this is kind of like a small sea conservative insight, actually. This is something that I would hear when I was in Republican circles for a while, and then 90s, back in the good old days, which is like participation, trophy, culture, stupid, right? Like life is hard. You know, life's challenging. Some people are better at some things like this notion that like everybody is equal, right? It was like this idea of this kind of like a Nambi Pambi way of thinking, right? This was like some liberal nonsense. And it's better for people just to understand their various unfairnesses in the world, understand their strengths and weaknesses. And you know, that can lead to meanness sometimes and cruelty that's unnecessary. But also just when it's blunt, it is true. Like in some ways, maybe this is the participation trophy. We are all stupid. Like we're stupid about different things. Yeah, exactly. I didn't know half the words you just said. I think I said this to Sam this week, like my ACT science score was so bad that it brought down the rest of my score from being like at the top going to being able to go to a really good college, being like, sorry, you have to go to a regular college like George Washington because your ACT score was so bad. But it was just because I don't I don't know anything about science. And I'm bad at it. And maybe I could be better if I tried harder, but like whatever. And like there's I can't, I'm not going to any weightlifting competitions. Like every we all have our weaknesses and frailties and stupidities. And it's better to just kind of accept to that probably. It is only with the science stuff that we adopt this pose of, well, you have to respect their feelings. Not really. I cannot make you have to do it. We have to do it with economics too. I guess we have to do with economics too. That's right. But if you took your your cars, wasn't working. And you took it to the shop and the mechanic looked at it and I don't know anything about cars, right? And you know, mechanics said to me, your Johnson Rod, as Beth is a Costanza joke from Seinfeld, right? The Johnson Rod has gone bad. And I said, you know, I don't think that's it. Actually, I think the problem is that I was driving over roads that were paved to gray instead of black. So I'm only going to drive on black paid black tar roads, not the roads that have, you know, sort of the gray or the the tan concrete because I think that's really the problem. Would the mechanic have to say to me, sir, I understand because of your life experience that you may think that that's it. But really, it's, you know, if we could just look at the side and say like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You're a moron. Yeah. We should just be able to say that. It's an app comparison for me because as a child, and as a child, because the teen, after I get a car, I didn't know how to do anything with it. And I had people in my life say to me, like, are you too stupid to like figure out how to change your an oil like your smart person can't you figure it out? And it's kind of like, no, I, I was too stupid to do that. Like there are people that are good at that. This is not in my, like, maybe if I really, really did work on it, I could do the minimum. But I, you wouldn't, you wouldn't want to drive a car that I worked, even if I spent all of my brain. This is different. This is way different because what you correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah. You did not say, I don't really believe in oil changes. Right, no, no, of course, that's the analogy. I don't believe in oil changes. I don't think cars need oil changes. I think what they need is the natural viscosity that oil creates over time. And that, that actually, because the motor, the engine discovers because of the viscosity of old oil, that it has to work harder and it makes the engine stronger. I didn't do that. It's the natural immunity that old oil gives your car engine. I think it's, it's better just to know what you don't know, you know? There's some wisdom there. Oh, that was pleasurable. That was, I need a cigarette after that one. Okay, we have a mail bag I want to get to, but you, you have an upcoming triad you wanted to work out with me that you just described only as a very dark JVL triad. So let's kind of just work out the first draft of that and then we'll hit the mail bag and let people go. So I need a little bit of help on this. I got to think it through. I just sort of looked up the other day and realized that the people around me, many of whom work in the bulwark, there seems to be a working assumption that there will be a Democratic president in 2029. Like just a, you know, like a 90%. Like it's almost like given. All the questions are about like, well, how does a Democratic president fix everything? You know, how do we go back? What do we, and I just looked at all that I thought to myself, I don't know, why are we assuming that? Because I gotta tell you, is it even a coin club? Maybe. I don't know. I mean, I don't know what it is. I don't know what the odds are, right? But if a Republican gets elected again after Trump too, what does that tell you about America and Americans? And that's the dark thought that I was having, right? If, if after all of this, it happens to tell you anything we don't already know. And this is a tough part. Like, you know, I, one of the things, I talked to this sort of of Nicole a couple of weeks ago, but like, after he won this time, like one of the hard parts about like giving back on the horse and doing this job is just like, it feels, it feels hopeless. Do you tell yourself, people tell yourself, like, wow, it's kind of bad luck and like, Biden's hubris and the economy. And it's like, we can still get things back on track. But it's kind of like, if people chose that again, we did already live through once. We did already have a Capitol storming. Doesn't that just say that something is fundamentally broken? And so would them win again doing it in some ways? I don't know. Would that change anything? Have not you already just accepted that things are fundamentally broken? Again, I'm just thinking all this through. That's a good point. But I feel as though there is a strain of alibying of the country, which has settled on, yeah, but people didn't vote for this. They didn't vote further. They didn't realize what mass deportations would be. They didn't, they didn't. just thought he would give good economic jobs or whatever, right, whatever the stupid idiot shorthand for the period of Trump's first term where the economy was good, which ignores the period of his term when the economy was bad. If a Republican wins again, like, what alibi is there left? I think maybe there isn't any. I mean, I can tell you what it will be, it will be able the Democratic Party failed again. It will be the Democratic Party failed. Look, they put up candidate X and candidate X did these five things wrong and you can't expect independent voters and Republican voters to vote for Democrat unless they're absolutely perfect. And that'll, that'll be what it is. And also, it also will be mass, right, there'll be this, there was this boy who cried wolf thing. Like you guys said Trump would end democracy and you guys said Trump was the worst thing since Hitler, even though it was on the VP that said that, and like, you said all these things, and then they didn't come to pass, like instead we just got into a stupid war and like the economy got worse and whatever. Like, instead none of those, none of those, like worst case scenario things came to pass. And so you have to respect the voters who then look at JD Vance or Marco Rubio and say, well, yeah, and say well, they said it was going to be horrible and then we survived it. And so, and these guys aren't as crazy as Trump. You know what I mean? Like, there'll be that kind of element of it that, that the alarmists are to blame. Yeah, it'll be like, the future of higher burning, it'll be, yeah, this is, yeah, a million people died from COVID and the real villain is Anthony Fauci. Okay. Look, a lot of this is coping people need to get by day by day. A lot of it is though, I guess by one thing I think I would ask you to think through as you're at the article is, are the people that are talking about Democrats in 2029, do they really just assume the Democrats are winning or is it a psychological exercise for themselves? Where like the, the answer is they agree with you, like they will be broken if the Republicans win again in 2029. And so there's no point in even thinking about it or dealing with it because the project in the country will be broken and it's just like whatever I'll cross that bridge and I get there. It's more of a fruitful thought exercise to think about how we could repair, because I think that's what's happening. I think that there are obviously some people out there that think it's a fate of complete. But I think that mostly it's a psychological kind of, we'll see. I look forward to the newsletter. The mail it never fails and makes me want to whack my tail when it comes I want to well. All right, three, uh, three male bad questions, one of them's more of a common question. I just really liked it and it's very relevant and apt to the topics of today and it's something I hadn't thought about. So I like it when I want to read or you get such great comments in the triad and always getting things kind of sparked the brain. And so it's nice, I like getting a reader comment that, that makes me think, um, of that new strategy, LJ writes, I was listening to the next level this morning. I don't know exactly what spawn this, but could someone start to create outrage about the number of Christians being deported? Seems likely to cause a problem maybe for a bit of someone could gin that up thousands of Christians being deported by the Trump administration. I don't know if that would actually work, but it's an interesting thought exercise because that is a talking point that I wanted to speak to this because here's what I didn't work. In 2016, when Trump was doing the Muslim bill, one thing that we did on the job campaign, I think Marker's campaign and some others did this was they're like, okay, we know that Republican voters don't care about the Muslims that are being, you know, deported or being screwed up from the Middle East, right? But like, but maybe they'll care about the Christians, right? And so like we took this weird third path that I have regrets about, but that felt strategically right. They're just like, what do you mean, Trump? We're not going to let in the Syrian Christians that are being persecuted by Assad. Like we won't let them into the country. We are not going to, like Trump is anti-Christian, like he won't even let the Christians being persecuted into the country. That didn't work, unfortunately. I want it to feel like it should, but I assume you agree. So it won't. And I can tell you why. Okay. It's the easiest reason in the world. So I was looking at a piece by Radley Balco today about a guy in Louisiana who was just let off of death row because he was on death row and turned out to be completely innocent. If not, like there was a technicality, like he was actually, he just did not do the thing he was accused of doing, did in fact, nothing wrong. And I said to myself, as I said, why is it the conservatives think that everybody who works for the government is a crook and you can't trust them. And if they work at the IRS or they're a teacher or they work in the department of public works or service anybody who works for the government is a liar and you can't trust them unless they have guns and those guys have never been wrong in their lives. We have to trust everything they say totally and completely. In the answer of quite like, of course, we know why it's racism. It's because they don't care about criminal justice because they don't care what happens to black and brown people. Yeah. It's the same thing with the Christians. Oh, are they white Christians? No. We can't give a shit. I think that is right as a political answer. I liked it because if not for nothing else than self-sue things, it's nice to shame them. Would it be more powerful when the story of the couple that we deported back to, shit? I can't remember if it was Honduras or Guatemala, but they went back to this kind of gang-riddled area of their home country. They weren't criminals and done anything illegally here. They had a small baby and they go back. I get murdered by the gang and this is just this horrible story right on the show the other day where the baby is left by the mom's dead body. It's too much to bear, but talking about that, we sent two Christians back to die and leave their baby out to watch their mother bleed out. I don't know. Is there not something there? So I don't know. I mean, I can only answer this way. If you believe that people are reachable and that they operate in anything close to good faith or that they actually mostly believe the things they say they believe, then it's worth doing those sorts of things because maybe you can argue them into coming around. I've pretty much given up on that. I'm not 100% of the way there, but I'm 98% of the way too. People are just they want what they want and they backfill everything else from there. They say their pro life because they want these five outcomes that come from being quote pro life and you can't argue them into this shit because they didn't argue themselves into it. They just want what they want. Yeah. Do you have the links? I sent you. I do. All right. I didn't tell you about this one because it's going to be tough. We're going to have to edit it a little bit for Shannon's sake, but I received this email. K Tim, this may be the toughest question you'll ever have to answer. F Mary Kill, Trump Cabinet members, you're welcome, Mr. Newport. Thank you, Mr. Newport. For a couple of reasons, JBL is in a committed marriage and so there's not going to be any effort. We'll call it candlelight dinner. For the Mary category, we're just going to assume that unfortunately, you know, you're Shannon has passed on RIP and so you're a free man. So candlelight dinner, Mary, Falcon Heavy. Because we're not, we're not also not going to do anything that brings cash to us. So candlelight, Mary, Falcon Heavy, the Trump Cabinet. There are not very many women in the Trump Cabinet and Mr., what was his name there? Mr., Mr. Newport, Mr. Newport didn't say Trump's current cabinet. So I'm going to take the most expansive version of this possible and I've sent you the links to all the members of both cabinets, first term and second term for this category. And I'm sure you're going to take a second to Peru's. Do you want me to go first? Will you think about it? Because I've already, I've already prepared. Yeah, you go first. If you want, you can make me do the second cabinet after because all of my answers ended up being from the first cabinet. I would like to, Fox, I should candlelight dinner. If I was going to choose, I look through the cabinets very closely and I settled on Donald Trump's first secretary of energy, Rick Perry. I've heard some things about Rick Perry and I think that we could get rowdy. I'm just going to leave it at that. I think that if I had to do one of them, not a lot of great options to choose from, but I think me and Rick, I think we could have a good old time after night out in Austin. Moving on to Mary, I found all of these people disgusting and I was hoping that the first cabinet had somebody who had made it full change and the only person that is on that list is Mark Esper and I just really don't want to be married to Mark Esper. So I decided that the right thing to do strategically would be to marry Wilbur Ross. He's still alive. Wilbur? Wilbur was born in 1937 and he's extremely wealthy and so I think that we could have a good short loving marriage that might accrue to the benefit of my progeny. So there we go. We're Falcon Heavy, it was tough from this administration because there are so many and you don't know, I kind of didn't want to back to the future where you do something and it makes things worse, you know, kind of like, right? I felt in a heavy Mark El, but it ends up who not. Something. So I didn't want to risk that. that. And so I just kind of just go back to term one and I'm falcon having billbar, fuck you billbar. Of all of those people, billbar was the closest to being able to stop this from happening again and he pushed out. So that's my list. Perry, fuck, Ross, Mary, bar, falcon. If you make me do this second term, I will. So long as we are understanding that the fuck Mary kill here is really a metaphorical thing because candlelight dinner, candlelight dinner. For me, my candlelight dinner is Lindemick man because if I get a couple drinks in a row, we can do wrestling talk. Like I could get through two hours with Lindemick man just by talking about the business. Yeah, I love wrestling. All right, that's good. That's a good pick. Mary is easy. Mike Pence. No, you can't get Mike Pence. You said Mike Pence. VP counts as cabinet. I was thinking about pure kids on the list. I opened up two lists. Mike Pence is there. Oh, this is a cheat code. Okay. Then if I can't have Mike Pence, it's got to be either Rex Tillerson or station nutrition because those guys are the least Trumpi and the most like they came from outside, Maga, they did their jobs sort of. And then they left and they want no part of this bullshit. Rex is a great pick. You're like living the Landman life now. You got a private jet. You're flying out to Midland. Yeah. You're going shopping and snacks. Rex and I can have a good game marriage together. Rex was born in 1952. God, he looks horrible. Let me win. Okay. Falcon happy. So I was going to put JD in the Falcon Heavy, but you're saying I can't do that because I feel about JD. I would also do that. I wouldn't do anything about Donald Trump himself. But if I can't have JD, I genuinely think that Hegseth is the most damaging member of the cabinet. More than RFK. RFK was when I really sat with because I was like, it's hard to imagine him picking a worse replacement for RFK and that could save lives. Yes. If Hegseth got sent off, I don't know. Are we sure that Don Jr doesn't run the military? No, no, no, we're not. You're probably right. I mean, in a weird way, he could find another Hegseth. You can't find another RFK because RFK, I mean, the only Trump himself isn't wedded any of the RFK bullshit. He just made a deal to get RFK in the coalition and then Trump's policy is dictated by this one guy in his own obsessions. So maybe that's the smart thing. But where I struggle with this is that people have agency. RFK is not forcing anyone to not get the research. With the research part. Yeah. You're not wrong. I'm surprised you didn't consider. I'll see for your candlelight dinner. No. Leave it at that. Leave it there. If I had to do this second administration, I think I'm definitely fucking Jameson Greer. But and I guess I'm just talking to myself into having a candidate. The marriage is tough, though. The marriage is tough. Like thinking about, who did you pick? You went first term as well. If you had to marry somebody from this term, it's really, it's a, it's a really rough list to check the request. I'm not Kelly Laffler. I'm not being Kelly Laffler. It's kind of figure out what's happening with her. She is super rich. You get to go to owner suite at WNBA games and you make a strong case for Kelly Laffler. And maybe you meet the aliens because whatever's happening with her is not does not come from a human. So maybe you learn something about science. Okay. We've gone way along. Good show. Long show. Final question was for Sam. But I'm going to flip it on you. It was with Sam. Be willing to step in the box or an at bat against JBL Sun. JBL Sun Flash is in college, a college baseball player, a pitcher as a 90 mile in our baseball. How? He's not at 90 yet. He he sits in the high 80s. High 80s throwing. So my question for you is, would you, do you stand in? Could you do you stand in for 88 high heat high in inside from Flash? So this is a genuine answer. Nobody who can't protect themselves should get in the box with somebody who is that level of a player. It's, so I play Cat with Flash still. And it's terrifying for sure. It comes in so hard. I have to use a catcher's mitt just to like have catch with him. And there's so much movement on it. And you know, he's not trying to kill me like he never throws a hundred percent. You know, I don't catch bullpen sessions from him. I couldn't catch bullpen sessions with him. So yeah, if you can't protect yourself, you shouldn't really see anything over like 75 miles an hour. I would say. So when was the last time you real like you stood in the box for Flash? Was Flash? He's probably 12 last time I would stay in the box. And like my brother is this level of tennis player where he was, I would be able to beat him up through like 11 or 12 because I'd be able to win the mental game. Like I just shit talk him enough that I'd get him off that then just one like one summer came back and it was just like, I can't even hit the serve. Like that's not even. Yeah. I mean, Flash is bigger than we all are now too. I mean, he's over 200 pounds. He's just, he looks like a professional wrestler. Yeah. What a good kid. What a show. What we're aiming for on the podcast is we're trying to touch all of the human emotions and the entire human experience in one one hour period. We went a little long today 70 minutes, but yeah, we definitely laughed. We got angry. We're there to I got a little emotional. I got a little overclimbed. You know, hatred. We felt that. I thought that's good. Rich tapestry of life. All right. Tomorrow we're going to make it we're going to find somebody that's a little bit more balanced emotionally than me. How are we going to do that? We're going to try to find a podcast that kind of eases us in Deliberate weekend. It makes us feel nice and warm and cozy. Get your head out of a gutter JVL. I look forward to that. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Jonathan, you're going to be back more often. I hope people like that. Let us know in the comments what you think about the show and our answers to the FMK. And we'll see you back here tomorrow. The Bullwork Daily is brought to you thanks to the work of lead producer Katie Cooper, associate producer Anzali Skipper, and with video editing by Don