Jon Hamm

Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have our old dear wonderful friend John Ham joining us today and we are so excited to have a hand bones here today. We are going to talk about so much good stuff. We're going to talk about auditioning. We're going to talk about the best position in baseball. We're going to talk about bad bunny. We're going to talk about what he thinks Don Draper would be doing now. We're going to talk about season two of his hit Apple Show, Your Friends and Neighbors. John is just such a dear tinderony underneath all that Superman muscle and so we're going to get into it today. But we're going to start our episodes like we always do by talking to somebody who knows John and we've got a great one today. We have Roger Sterling himself, John Slattery, an incredible actor, director, writer, wonderful person who is like kind of one of John's chosen brothers. So let's see what he has to say. Oh, I'm going to get him on Zoom. Hi, Slattery. 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Although, I mean, not just him, I think everybody had, despite their wrongheadedness or whatever moment. Like, just when you thought, well, this is just somebody who thinks like this, do something incredibly human or funny or touching or whatever, I mean, that thing, all those characters had that. Okay. So, did you and Ham know each other before you worked on madman? Uh-uh. So, you met when? I auditioned for his part, and I remember called my agent back and was like, are you sure this is the part? Because, you know, I was beyond that age, and they were like, that's what they want. So I did all my homework and went in and read. And then Matt and Alan Taylor were there. And then they said, okay, so here's the thing. We already have this guy, and I said, excuse me. And they said, well, your part isn't really visible so much in the first episode. So there wasn't much for you to read. We didn't think you'd come in. And I was a little like, and then, you know, that he said, but I promise you, this will be a great part. So, then I met him and I was like, oh, shit, you know, well, they certainly do have that guy. Like, I realized, you know, that's what that guy looks like, of course. And then day one, he just sent me a picture of the other night, two nights ago of his TV, some wherever he was, and it was him at the desk and me sitting across with a drink. And I said, and I could tell from the suit, and like, my hair was diff something. And I said, is that day one? And he said, yeah. No way. Yeah. I mean, what's so satisfying about your relationship from afar is that the relationship you had on the show felt very brotherly. It really felt like big brother, little brother energy. And it is your relationship like that too. It feels like it. I think our relationship is more sort of equal, like our age doesn't really come into it so much. And also he's such a competent person. It isn't like I haven't even teach him. It's often the other way I was thinking about like, well, what would I ask him, what would I ask him, and it was, who does he look to for answers? Because sometimes I actually think, what would ham do? Like in a certain situation or whatever, because he's just, he is good at most everything he puts his hand to, and smart, and accomplished, all that stuff, and he kind of, so our relationship was more just kind of, you know, brotherly, but not like a older, younger, like it is in the show. What do you think makes John so competent in your words, like so good at so many things? You know, you have to be smart emotionally to be that funny. And as you know, you know, you have to be observant and you have to listen and you have to, so all that stuff goes into being good at very different things. I mean, he's, it makes sense that he's as good at drama as he is at comedy, because it's something that he's paid attention to for a long time. I mean, when I was a kid, I couldn't, I would stand in front of the television. I wouldn't even sit down, I would just stand there with a clicker and go from Oscar Madison to Derek Jacobi to, you know, just get a chunk and then a click and go to get another one and see what I just get a piece of this and a piece of that when it got slow or commercial I go it off to some other, you know, just like, just to, you know, a sieve open, just wanting to, I don't know why, I don't know what it was, but I just like wanting to absorb everything. Wow. That's such an interesting and true observation is that when I watched TV, I watched it like what I imagine athletes do when they watch sports where they're watching for, you know, same. I watched performances unconsciously or subconsciously to get an idea of how to do it. My mother was a big movie fan. My dad was too, but my mother would, she'd go, come in here if you watch this and I'd have my coat on, on my way out. I was like in high school or whatever and she'd go, come and watch, you have to watch this and I, Sunset Boulevard or whatever, some, and I'd go, I have to go. She'd go, just five minutes, just watch. And then an hour and 20 minutes later, I'd be sitting on the couch with my coat on next to her watch. But I said, I watched, at her funeral, I was like, I watched more movies with my coat on because I was, you know, sucked in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um, Slattery, I love seeing you. I, I'm, I hope we get to hang out in some real way again. We got to be on a, we got to do a couple of scenes together once on a silly show called Wet Hot American Summer in on Netflix. We got to perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again someday soon. Me too. You know, I remember being so impressed that the difference between my own ability to sort of improvise and yours, which was like, oh, that's how, that's a person who knows how to improvise on story, like not just divert and use some nugget that you have saved up or something, but like that you could do stuff that had to do with the actual action of the scene. And I was just sort of you and John early. I was watching this thing and I was thinking, man, these people are, this is, this is, this is different. Well, when you don't quote, remember your lines. You have to, you have to have a trick, you know, you have to, you have to be like look over there. Well, slatter, I love you love seeing you give lots of love to Talia, please give her my love. We'll do. And thank you so much for this. And I'm sure a ham will be so happy that we talked. Have fun. Say hi to everybody. Thank you so much. Okay. Talk to you soon. Bye. All right. Listen up. 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First of all, I'm so deeply, deeply happy to see you. Same, buddy. Same. It's been. too long. I'm senior forever. But I've been watching your podcast as I do for all my friends, but you, I just love what you've done with the place. And it's, I remember doing with Nick Offerman a few years ago, smart girls with the party. And I knew then that you had your finger on the pulse of something very, very special and cool. And I'm glad that this is the further extension of that because it makes me very happy for you. Thank you for saying that, God, you've done so many favors for me. But you did a, you and Nick and a bunch of people did a, I made you have a baby. That's it. We have so much to talk about. I literally was not pregnant when the week started. That was crazy. That was crazy. Having a baby. Well, and also, you know, what's amazing about that is that there is a physical marker of that time. I know. And it like, we have known each other now for we're getting up on the 20 years, which seems crazy. It seems impossible. It does. Everything that I think is 10 years now is 20 years. No, pandemic really threw a whole weird thing in that in the 80s to us or the 80s to our kids are what the 20s were. Yeah, exactly. They'll go the roaring 80s when everybody wore tuxedos. But I want to start, John Ham. The last time we saw you, you were getting on a hot air balloon on this podcast. Yes, I was, I was on it. I was, I was on a hot air balloon shooting on a hot air balloon. It made us rest. And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott and Paul red episode because we talked about you a lot. And you know, we have talked about you on this podcast and that like early being of guys. And it does feel very fun and magical to talk about it. Not only because everybody was young and like, just beginning, but it just feels kind of wild that you all met. Yeah, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Through Paul, honestly, here's how it started. Tell us the, how all the Avengers assembled. Yes, truly at this point. Paul went to Paul is an Avenger. Ant man. Okay, that's an Avenger. Apparently. Yeah. If you ask him, what? What are you so mad? We're so angry. You have super power. You got a shitty super power. You turn into ants, come on. Come on, you wrap it up. You did it. Literally. Literally. Man. The next, the next movie is growing. Man. Okay. Anyways, um, Paul is from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. I am from St. Louis, Missouri. Right. Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend, Preston Clark, was his roommate freshman year at the University of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate Preston to visit St. Louis for holidays, long weekends, what, what have you? And we, that's when we got to know one another. I was probably a senior in high school and he was a freshman in college. So that makes sense because there is this big brother energy that Adam and Paul have with you. Well, you, where you feel like they're big brother, you're only two years, three years older. No, younger. I'm younger than Paul and older than Adam. Oh, really? Yeah. But, but Paul also doesn't age. Yes. He has made a deal with the devil. There's, there's a very terrible painting somewhere. That is just really rough. But he gives you a lot of big brother energy and the way he talks about you. It's interesting. Why do you think that? I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I think I've always, you probably have had this experience with me too. I always represented older than I am. Yeah. I've heard you say that. Even when I was like a little kid, I was not that little kid. But like when I was a teenager, they were like, you're buying the beer. Is it? Why? Yeah, because you look kind of old. I'm like, what face? Is it because you were tall? Tall. I have a deep voice. I got a beard early. Like I was just, I don't know what it was, but it was, it was very much that. Yeah. I played all the adult roles and call, you know, like the high school and college. All the real fun dad roles. You know, great. You should have done like who's afraid of Virginia Woolf and I'm like 19. You should talk to Paula Pell, who also talks about she always did the old like same same thing, same energy. There was something there. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't know. But anyway, so that's, that's how I'm at Paul. And we're talking like 1989, right? Maybe. So you're in Missouri when you know each other. And do you say to each other, I want to be an actor. So do I? Paul decides he wants to be an actor. He transfers from the University of Kansas to the American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena. That's where he meets Adam. Right. I see Adam's the California kid that gets California kid who came down from Santa Cruz. And then we all then that this would have been in the early 90s. I graduate college. I come out here in 94, 95, something like that. And we're all there's this little percolating group of friends that nobody has a job. Well, that's what I'm kind of except Paul. Paul was already famous. Like he had gotten early success with whatever it was. Maybe. Yeah. Cool. This and Romeo and Juliet kind of were back to back. But what's fascinating is you unlike some other people who like go through a pipeline before you start working like, you know, the like a the Juliet conservatory or like second city or whatever. You kind of go cold into. Yeah. Come in. I do one person. Paul. That was it. And I had an aunt and uncle that lived out here. So I had a I had a place to stay. Yeah. And then I moved, you know, I found, found an apartment, found a house to live in out in Silver Lake, which was very, you know, urban pioneering back then. Wasn't cool. I mean, it was cool, but it was very out on the edge. Yeah. The swing you took to come out here is very impressive to me because it is like, did you grow up knowing any actors? Did you know anyone that was an actor? No. And did you, when you were in high school and like, like, when did you, did you do plays? Yeah. Were you like, were you like the jock that did place? Yeah. My high school was one of those magical places that you were just encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just that. Yeah. And it was small, but everybody kind of knew each other. My graduating class was 95 kids. Yeah. So I knew everybody in my class. We were kind of all friends, like you were friends with the violin kid and you were friends with the, we're a beautiful artist and the kid that could sing opera somehow at 16. You know, there was a lot of talented kids there. And in fact, from my school, Ellie Kemper, was one of my students when I went back to teach. I know. So great. Heather Goldenhurst, who was a Tony nominated actress, Stephanie Sanditz, Leslie Stevens, all these kids that Sarah Clark, who was in my class, who was on 24, who dated Paul Rudd, believe it or not. So we had this kind of weird, concentrated energy that was very creative, but we were encouraged. So it was, I didn't know any actors, but I thought, why not me? And they were like, we need a Willie Lohman. We need a tired sales. We need an 18 year old Willie Lohman with the weight of the world on his shoulders. [laughter] Ham will do it. Do you ever feel though that you like could have been a, were you ever good in a sport enough that you had like dreams like every. I thought I was going to be a, I thought, because also the other half of my growing up was my best friend John Simmons. His dad was a professional baseball player. So I was like, you knew a professional baseball player. I didn't know a professional baseball player. And I was like, man, one of these days, me and John Simmons, we're going to be, we're going to play for the Cardinals together probably. What position did you play? I was a catcher. You were a catcher. I always think of the catchers as the little little people. The stocky guy. No, I was kind of the, I was always, I was always this shape. I was always. Lanky. Lanky? Yeah, right. Would you say I'm Lanky? Kind of Lanky. I mean, I don't want to describe your body back to you, but I wouldn't use Lanky. I feel Lanky. Yeah. Am I using a word? Well, I'm well-limbed. But I feel like you've got shoulders. I feel like Lanky doesn't care the way to the world. You needed for your briefcase, both of those sample cases that I, oh, God. Okay. So catcher, which I have to say in all, I used to play softball and all the positions. My two favorite positions were catcher and second base. Interesting. Catcher because I felt like catcher. You're in every play. Yeah, you're in every play and you're just like, you're kind of like a coach in a way. Yeah, a little bit. Tell them where to go and you're running the run in the room. That's what I liked about it. And second base for almost the opposite reason, which is you're like, I don't, I thought you had it. Like second base is a little bit like short stop over here. Right. And honestly, in the hierarchy of who gets to call like a pop-up, second base is like the last. Yeah. Second base is like, I wanted to get it. I just, it was over. I thought closer to you. But you can chat, you can chit chat on second base. And a short throw, short throw to first. Yeah. I mean, I didn't have the arm. I never had the arm, but I had the mouth. Okay. So. So there was a party that's like, I'm going to catch for the Cardinals. And then, yeah. And then I, but here's, here's what it really was is that I realized probably even when I was still in high school, I was like, Oh, there's people that are way better than me at this. Like, way, way, way better than me at this. Yeah. Yeah. And so I kind of like, I was early disabused of that notion. very, very just, I was kind of like, yeah, and also I realized that, and I have a lot of friends now that are professional athletes and you're like, it's a job. Yeah, big time. It's 24/7, even in the off season, you're training, you're training. So you better love it. I know. And I was like, I like it. Yeah. I don't love it. I know. And with sports, when I watch sports or even when I play sports, I was, I didn't feel like I was playing or watching to like know how to do it for life. You were enjoying it. Yes. It's like a hobby. But with television and film, I definitely watched it very intently. Oh, me too. Yeah. So to put a point on the end of that story of like not loving, not loving it enough to want to do it professionally, I love what I do now. Yeah. I mean, I really do. Yeah. And getting to do things like SNL and getting to produce and develop stuff and getting to have this kind of length and breadth of a career that you can look back on and go, man, I'm pretty proud of that stuff. Yeah. I love that. You did Shakespeare. And do you do Shakespeare in there? Yeah, in college. Yeah. Do you understand Shakespeare? What's happening now? I thought it was for now. It's Hamlet. Apparently, it's Hamlet. Yes. I just found out it was Hamlet. Now, I did. I really loved reading. This is part of when when I kind of figured out maybe I was going to be an actor is that I would read plays as a little, I read like a banana's weirdo when I was a kid because I was a single, a single mom. Yeah. And an only child. Yes. So there's that was it. There were no internet. There were no phones. Video games were rudimentary. Yeah. So it was about reading. And we had tons of books everywhere. And I had a library card. So I would go to the library. I would check out books. I would check out comedy records. Yes. Those are the two things that I got. What did you check out? Do you remember? I mean, it was bananas that I was a seven year old boy and I had like Richard prior records. Yeah. The name of which I will not say out loud. Yeah. But you can find out what it's called. Yeah. And but but also like Steve Warren, Bob Newhart, George Carlin, like just the stuff that was whatever was there. And what were your series? What books were you reading? Like what kind of series did you love as a kid? I read. There wasn't really, I don't remember there being like, um, YA, you know, stuff like that. It wasn't really like, I mean, I feel like a little house in the prairie was for us kind of like kind of, yeah, which I didn't really read. It was kind of for girls. I know it's for girls. Um, but I was for boys too. It is for everyone. It's a lovely story. I did read, I did read those. Um, I read plays. And it was, it was something that I would, I don't know why I was attracted to them or whatever. I think I was, you said earlier about watching TV and like watching it to learn about it. Yeah. And that was what I thought the plays were. And I would read them and I would read them out loud to myself. Yeah. So my mom was like, you're, you know, weird kid. Um, but it was, I would, that was the looking back. I think that was the first time I would think, Oh, maybe I want to do this for real. Um, your mom passed away when you were young, when we were 10. What was she like? She was a professional secretary. Mm-hmm. She was a very accomplished lady. She was the oldest of six kids. Um, she was, I don't know, she was, she was my mom, you know, it was like one of those. I loved her. We had an amazing relationship. Um, it's, I say this to people all the time. There's never a good time to lose a parent. It stinks. It just does. I lost my mom and I was 10. My dad when I was 20. But I have friends that are our age now that just lost their parents that are just as devastated. Yeah. So it was, um, it was brief, but it was significant. Yeah. Uh, my relationship with her and, and I still have probably the closest family member in my life is my aunt, her younger sister. Yeah. Who was the coolant because she moved out here to California. Yeah. And that's you lived with when you came out here. Yeah. My aunt Sue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I feel like hand bones, the, um, theme of a lot of your work and the things you do is like, like, finding your family, like, yeah, collecting them, choosing them, making it like, and you're in a, and you're in a business that does that too. Yeah. You kind of, you know, it's like the circus comes to town and you make new friends and, um, you know, being on a show as we both were for an extended period of time. Yeah. You definitely, you definitely forge relationships that are, that are pretty solid, you know, and, and, and don't really, uh, dissipate once the, once the circus moves on. Yeah. I know if you're lucky. If you're lucky, if you're lucky, and that's the, that's the thing you were talking about. I think with the people part of it is like, you know, you meet, we're all kind of crazy weirdos, you know, with different talents. But boy, when you see, when certain people come through your orbit and you're like, man, that, that person's amazing at that. Well, you must feel that way about people too, because, I mean, do you ever get this feeling? I get this feeling a lot where like I meet somebody and I'm like, Oh, I, you know, we've known each other before in another way. Right? Some, a lot. And, and, and I can't, am I wrong that slattery feels like that for you? Yeah. Yeah. That's my big brother. If I, if I had a big brother, it would be him. Yeah. I was, uh, I was just watching. I had, I've not watched Mad Men back since, uh, I just finished. And I've been, and I, I, I think I say sometimes on this podcast, the best thing about knowing other actresses, sometimes you get to text them and be like, I'm watching your show right now. You're so good. And I think I just did that TV. You did. Well, that must have been the impetus for me starting it because on my wife, on a, and I had, hadn't really, why I hadn't watched it back since the first time. And, um, so we're on like episode five or six now. And I, and I text really text it. Well, that happens. Don't down me. Um, I texted slide, took a picture. I've had texted slattery. I was just like, remember this day. It was the first day we shot. And I've just remembered all that stuff. And it was wild. It was very wild. Obviously that was 20 years ago, 15 years ago, um, 20 years ago. Well, we, um, I don't usually bring this up early in the, in the, in the podcast, but I will now because it makes sense. So, you know, we do this thing where we talk well behind somebody's back before and we talk to slattery today. Right. And he's the best. And, and he loves you. And we talked about just that about, and it's funny because I said, do you feel like a big brother to Johnny? And he said in a very big brotherly way, he was like, I feel like we're equals. I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're, um, but that's also a very big brother thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me to, because I remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show and his son, Harry was six, as was Kiernan, played my daughter on the show, Sally. And now they're 26. Yeah. This lightning and bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I point to madman and think like, I worked very hard to get in that room. Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you grind, you were really grinding for sure. Like you, you were, you were working probably for 10 years in different, and a lot of different things. Not quite 10, but, but a solid six or seven years as, as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched, um, just, did you ever get close to stuff where you were? Everything. I was, I was the other guy in every thing. And in fact, the year I, I got madman, I had, I had tested when we used to do that seven times. I'd gone to the network the last step before you get hired seven times for seven different projects. Seven different projects. Oh, four, seven. What do you, do you remember what some of them were? I don't. Yeah. They were like sitcoms and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That, you know, and then in the old days, now it just feels like everything gets, gets produced. In the old days, it was like they do a pilot. They test it. They see if it worked. Maybe you get fired, which I did on several occasions. And, and it's, it's such a bananas way to do it. But that was the, that was how it was. And the madman audition process you've talked about many times. So it was arduous. Arduous. It started at the very, very bottom. The first audition was a pre-read just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work. Not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica, and I lived in Silver Lake. So it was like an hour and a half to get a cross-town in the rain on a Friday. And I met them. And there was another kid sitting in the waiting room. And he was like, it's like a 16, 17 year old kid. And it was like, man, the right place. He goes, are you here for the toothpaste ad? I go, what? No, then it was like, what, what do they say? They're looking for somebody. You're an older guy, you know, the world is showering, the bread of teeth. And it was literally, they were casting a, the other room was a casting commercial. And then this was, they were like, no, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry. And it's like, hi, nice to meet you. Wow. The next day was another one of those. A few days later was then more and more people are in the waiting room. Then you start to see people that have signed up. You're like, recognize that guy's name. He was on Sports Night. I'll probably get it. Yeah. and it was that, that, that, that, that, that, six, seven, eight times. And then they finally, I got to New York, they flew me to New York on somebody's miles. Wow. And, uh, when you went in for that last one, did you, the last one was, was, was meet the executives and Matthew Winer to his creak credit. He goes, I go, do I have this job? Like, what's happening? You're flying me to New York. Yeah. He goes, I'm going to walk you around the production office and I'm going to introduce you as Don Draper and you're going to act like you have a job. Oh, God, that's giving me. And I was like, okay. And he's like, hey, we, this is our Don, you know, it's John, maybe I'd say hi to the cat, the costume designer and the hair and makeup and we're going to do this and he's walking me around this whole thing and I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody, anything. Oh my god. So then we go to, to meet the executives from AMC, who are these four very young executives. Yeah. AMC was a young company. Brand new, brand new, hadn't done anything. We go and we have drinks and we're having a drink and I'm with Matt and Scott Hornbacher, the two producers and the three executives and kind of holding my drink and I'm like, what is this? What are we doing? This is, if this is a prank, this is the most elaborate, meanest prank. And so we're having drinks and they're like, here's the show and I'm like, yeah, here's to the show. And I drink the drink and we go and I'm like, we get it into the elevator. They still haven't said anything and the lady who's in charge finally turns to me because you know you got the job right now. Oh my god. No, I didn't. This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast and it said, no, we didn't. I've been and if we go down the elevator and the elevator doors open up, there's a million paparazzi in the lobby of the maritime hotel. And I'm like, oh my god, like, wow, that's that was fast. Holy shit. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. In the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named Franz Beckenbauer. One of the like lions of the German Bundesliga, what have you? And I was like, oh, it's there for him. Guys, guys, guys, it's not giving interviews yet. Let me get in German. Yeah, that's him. Okay, just a few madman questions. I know, you know, the show is, I just, John, that part, you, that writing, that show, that show is Hall of Fame. Thank you. And Hall of Fame performance. I don't disagree. I think it's a great show. I was I was pleasantly surprised watching it back to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that because it is just pristine and your performance is so good, so measured, so controlled, and it like all the characters in the show starts to unravel in the perfect way. It does pay off. That's what's really, I think, really nice about the show is that as it does unravel, it kind of is a satisfying payoff for kind of everybody. The manically, this idea that like, the character of John Draper is being presented in this way, which we like, project all this stuff on him, just like we would any add, any version of like a person. And then we realize he is a person like we all are like, but heavily flawed, heavily flawed, but yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a lot. So there's never like, Matt has said, and I think it's a great way to describe it. He said, I want people to realize that the characters are going to be just a little bit better at the end, just a little bit, you know, just a little change. And done, my god, you know, the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything, his family, his job, his stuff, and he ends up on the end of the continent, the very end of the continent. And that's kind of when he realizes like, oh, wait, I'm really good at this job. I should probably just go back and do the job that I'm really good at. And my question to you is having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, your, you don't let everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in the group, the group therapy scene where that wonderful day player, sorry, I don't know his name, actor breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day? And reading that because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not, you don't know, I don't, I don't, that was the whole last half of that season for me was being away from everybody that I had spent 90 other episodes with. That's right. That's right. Slaty and I did our last scene. It's kind of a, it's kind of a weird little nothing scene. It was just us in a bar talking about something. And I said, you know, this is our last scene together. And he goes, what? Because it was like three episodes were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I go, he goes, no. I go, yeah. And it was, it's kind of great that it's just that that moment. It's just that's what it is. And then you don't see that guy. So there was a lot of that stuff for me and a lot of a lot of, it was tremendously difficult. Yeah. Because I was handling a lot of personal mishagas in my life and a lot of craziness. And just being on a show for that long. Yeah. Is a lot. And saying goodbye to it. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process. You know it very well. So that particular scene and we were, we shot out of order. That wasn't the last thing we shot. Absolutely. But we, we were on location. Yeah. We were up in Big Sur. Yeah. So we were even physically separated from most the stages, all the stuff or trailers. I was living in a hotel. Like it was, so it was like four or five days in row up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy work. Yeah. You I very much felt the weight of the end of the show. Yeah. And the responsibility of like, don't fuck this up. You can fuck anything else up. But you cannot fuck this up. This is the end of a very, very, very long story. And if you shit the bed on this, it's not going to that will be what you are known for. But I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful. And everyone in that there were a lot of like writers. Inters person. And for those people that have never watched Mad Men don't listen to this part. But it is there is a moment. Don't to give too much away for people that haven't seen it. But I mean, it has been 20 years. But the where we're past the spoiler part. Yeah. John is like gone basically to like an excellent like retreat. And to basically, like to your point, he's lost everything. And he's in what is an early version of group therapy. And the closest he's ever had to actually really truly sitting in his feeling. And a man, another man who he doesn't know is expressing this thing that Don understands really well. Deep dissatisfaction. Deep on what's the right word? Unworthiness. Yeah, maybe it's just seen and not being loved. Invisibility you said earlier that whole kind of thing and the refrigerator. And all this it's like it's a beautiful piece of writing. And it's incredibly emotional moment not only for this man, but for Don. And there's a there's a connection that they have. And okay, well, I want to slow it down because you know, I like to talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that. But I can imagine. I'm an old man. I also have an old person and a young younger person's body. But I paused in this moment. And I was just like, this is John Ham. Like I was like, this is like the the moment when you approach and hug that man is such good acting. It's your it's like John. It's so so good. You you did stick the landing. Well, thank you. I felt very very good about what I did on the show. And it was like it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about. And we are all like look like John Draper, John Ham, Amy Poehler were all like living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out. And suffering in different ways that moment when like two strangers men of that generation are hugging is so moving. Well, and it's because you don't really don't get there on under such dress. And it's such a strange journey that he ends up there. And he's he's lost this connection with his his job, his his family, his his everything. It's really the siddhartha kind of moment of just shed everything and to discover who you really are. And there's a moment. And of course the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building and everyone's like, this is where he does it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself. This is the end of the show. He's going to die. And it's it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Don doesn't get it and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling of inadequacy and failure in what he's what he has failed at as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a fill in the blank that he does do that. But he doesn't. Yeah. He kind of takes it in takes the moment. feels the feelings for real and has the moment of clarity where he goes like, you know, and it's beautifully rendered with the coke ad and the iconic kind of moment of this. And it's like, this is who I am. I'm an ad man. So he goes, you think he goes back? Yeah. And what do you think happens for the rest of his life? Like, what is the last act of Don's life? What do you think it is? Long cancer. Yes. I mean, for sure. I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive. And I think he finds happiness and peace. I think he connects with his children. Yes. As we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. You in January. You in January, you and Lizzie, you in slattery, you and Christina. Incredibly, incredibly lucky. One of my favorite scenes in the whole show is the scene between, I can't remember, I think it's season five, season four, where we see Don and Joan kind of going out on a night on the town. It's incredible. I mean, Don and Joan never had enough scenes together as far as I was concerned. That's what kind of made it great is that there were like two or three. Everyone in that show is just pitch perfect. And you brought up the smoking. What did you have to smoke? They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think somebody did somebody watch the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes I smoke. And I think it was something like 80 in a one hour pilot. So Parks and Recreation and Mad Men were on at the same time. We were fellow travelers. And we shared, you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer and Dan Bishop who did your show and did. We used to brag like, oh, the bullpen of, you know, the offices of Parks and Rec were designed by the same way that did Mad Men. People were like, cool. I can tell. That was a big brag. We were like, I mean, he's a genius. He's a great guy. And the other thing is that you and I were at award shows many, many times on the losing end. On the losing end. And so I got to get to Slattery's question. Sorry, I'm all over the place. But I got to get Slattery's question. But before that, let's talk about Losers Lounge, which you mentioned the very beginning. What was it? The Losers Lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing. Yeah. Like, let's take, let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah. Let's not live in the we're not losers. We're winners. We're winners. Only losers lose. Only losers lose. And we are not losers. No way. So we decided that. And I still think this is a great idea. I think we should have patented it. And I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. That because also any awards night, there's way more people that lost than one. Oh, yeah. So we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out. The Losers Lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand, you had to pay. Yeah. You had to pay up to charity. To charity. It was all a charity thing. It was a lovely chair worldwide. Or a fence, I believe it was. That's right. And the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free. And it was a fun party. We so we threw a party a couple years in a row. So how's that thing? A couple different places. We had a dance off. We had a pants off dance off. Everybody wanted to get in. And the highlight for me was, I think I told you the story, the highlight for me at the Emmys was the great my hero, idol, Frances McDormand. One for I believe it was maybe all of Kitterage or one of the many incredible things. You done? She won. And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmys, she turned me and she goes, does this mean I can't go to the Losers Lounge? And you said, yeah. And I was like, yeah, you're gonna have to pay. And I was like, she did. She did, she came and paid that time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun because, of course, who cares? And also the everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a fan. We were all doing great stuff because Tina was on 30 Rock at the time. You were doing parks. I was doing madman. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe. Were you broke your toe? And we were like you and me and Tina and Claire Danes and we were all like dancing like insane people. Like it was the last night on Earth. Yeah. And I was like, Tina had to get on a plane the next day and just like describes like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair. She was like, I'm gonna beat that. I had just had my second child. And I flew in for the weekend because I was, well, yeah, I must, I forget I was in New York and I flew out flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the band cat dancing. I'm a mother of two. I can't I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning. I'm like, I can't walk. I have to get on a plane. I mean, I put like a hat on and sunglasses and like taped my toe and like try to walk to the head. I'm like, I can't get a wheelchair. This is like too much. So I'm like, walk away and I hear Amy and I look in its Bradley Cooper. The lovely Brad and he goes, Amy and I'm like, hey, and I'm like, no, it's not Amy. Hey, Brad, he's like, are you okay? And I'm like, no, I'm very, very bad. I'm very, very bad. Okay. And so he has to hold me like an old, like talk about old lady, like hold my elbow while I get a little escort in. I got a little escort. I got a, I got an A Lister escort. Wow. That was a fun night. Amy. The last thing you, the last word you wanted to hear. But, but worth it. Worth it. I will never forget that night. Lord was, Lord was there and then moving and grooving. We had a time. We had a time. Okay. Let's talk about you hosting S&L, though. And I mean, you're, are you a five-timer? Four. I just had my fourth. I took, I did three in two years. Mm-hmm. Took a 15 year. Yeah. And, and came back this last, uh, this last year. It's been said. And I think I've been listening to it. Seth's thing with Andy and the boys. Yeah, me too. Oh, you were only two. I think, right? Yeah. That was an amazing, your time there was an amazing time there. They're, they're all great. You can't, you literally can't stack them up against another because they're all different and they're all great. But it was so fun to be there with you, with Maya. Mm-hmm. Bill, Fred, Will, Kristen. Yeah. I mean, Seth, those guys, you guys were I felt like we were just talk about speaking the same language. It was like, I felt so comfortable. There, which was, you know, part of part of it was you're a guest in somebody's home. So you don't want to be too comfortable where you're kind of being shitty. But I really did feel welcomed there. I mean, because first of all, I'm sure you've told this story, but pitch on Monday, my first time hosting, you guys all roll in and cost him. Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story. Madman cost him. We all decide to dress up as the people for, for a pitch. 60's gear for pitch Monday night, which is 35 people in a room, maybe a little bit bigger than this. Yeah. So sitting on the floor on the sofa, everything, everyone is in 1960s period gear. Yeah. Hater was in drag. Oh, yeah. Lutz was in drag as Joan, John Lutz, writer, Paul Appell, had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke. So she's like, I just tape it. And she would pitch like this. And I was, I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is okay. Well, they really do on Mondays. I thought I was a whole thing. Okay. Well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys sitting around that whole week, shooting with Jim Signorelli, you're 95 months pregnant. Yeah. And we've told the story a million, a million times, but the fast version is Friday. I was supposed to do the show on Saturday. And then there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. Yeah. You know, other women listening. It's, you know, your first kid. You assume you're going to be at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good. I was told you're not going to be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Kill it on Saturday. Put your feet up. Yeah. My first lesson in mothering, which was like, nope, nothing goes away. And I really did think I would do the show on Saturday. And then give birth on Sunday and Friday night. We were shooting Friday night. And we were doing like a pre-tap and I got a call from my OBGYN office of your OBGYN's office. My beloved OBGYN passed away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, when you get really connected to your doctor and you kind of think about your birth plan and you think about how it's going to go and all of a sudden, You know, you realize what you're doing. Well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yeah. And two. Seth had one in a lobby. That's right. Seth had his in a lobby. That's right. But he didn't have it. No. He didn't. Very true. He didn't have it. No, he didn't. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. Yeah. No, but a lot of people can do this. And I got the news in my OBGYN and died. I started to cry. I mean, heavy sobbing. Right. Which is horrifying. A giant pregnant woman crying. It's not. It's really scary. And ham leaned in and said, I know this is hard for you. Really, really sad. But this is a big fucking deal for me. She better. You better pull your shit together. And that's the face she made immediately, which I was like, talk about in the world of big swings. That's a big one. That to me is. And I've written about it. That's why you had the baby. That's something happened because you laughed that hard. For real. I think so. I think a big hard laugh. Oh, I was, I was like, please, let this go, please, let this go well. And to me, the crying to laughing switcheroo, that's like, we get about, we get a few in our life where we're really, really, deeply sad. And then someone says something to make us laugh. And that, those two against each other feels like, I think it extends your life. Friday night was like, because everybody's so punchy by then. It was, and I was, I wouldn't, you couldn't drag me on that studio. I was having the greatest time. Yeah. I mean, it now brings me to Slattery's question, which is, which I thought was just such a sweet question, which is, and kind of back to what we were talking about about this idea of like finding community and family in places, all different kinds of places. But he was, his question to you, his question was like, who do you look for for answers? When you're feeling frazzled or lost, because I was saying, you have a big brother, you have a big brother vibe with a lot of people. He feels like a big brother to you, but he was saying, I feel like I think a lot about like, what would John do here? Like he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who do you look? Where do you go? Where do you go? That's a really good question. I don't have a, I don't think I have a, have a go to, honestly. I've been on my own in one way or another for a very long time. So I, I'm, I'm very self-dependent. I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. I'll just, I'm going to, I got it. Yeah. I'm learning to get better at that for sure. But people, like Lauren, for sure, Lauren, I've definitely reached out to when I've had instability in my life. And you know, part of the magic of that man is that he's so inscrutable and so Canadian, that it's a co-an in some way, you know, you get some kind of weird thing really like. Where did you say co-an? Yeah, like a Zen co-an, you know what that is. It's like a saying that, you know, K-O-A-N. I don't know that word. Sorry. Co-an. Obviously, because I don't, I don't have a great definition of it. Yes. A paradoxical anecdote question or dialogue. Yeah. Well done. Okay. So, so he'll say, well, you know, I don't eventually, you'll just be on the t-shirt. And you're like what? You know, it's, it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mulholland. And then maybe Michael Cumbai and you'll say, go great. Everybody does it. It's so great. But yeah. But people like that. I find that I very much enjoy talking to my elders. Yeah. Yeah. I was not to be super name dropy, but last night had an amazing dinner at the Brookhimer Sasje. Brookhimer who produced Top Gun. I think you worked for Jerry. Yeah. Have you? Not that to my knowledge, but that squeak was no, they were, oh, he was, um, yeah, Jerry. I never met Jerry in the booth when I was Ellen or in the squeak wall, but Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know, didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for the job. Sorry that I dressed up as Ellen or when it came in for the audition. You've been into monster hits, bridesmaids, bridesmaids, bridesmaids, you're so funny in it. What a funny, what a incredible movie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some fun movies. For sure. Some big fun movies. I love you. How did you learn how to do a Boston accent? How did you? I don't know. Like anybody. Not like anybody. People can't do it really well. Well, I mean, I, I famously did it in the town, but I was making fun of Ben. Yeah. That was the, that was part of why it was easy for me and my guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FBI guys. Yeah. Well, even the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say it. Well, I trust me. We were immersed in Boston. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You do a movie in Boston. Everybody's in the movie. Yes. Indeed. Yeah. Cousin, yeah. I'm cool. Everybody. And talk about making a movie about Charlestown. Mm-hmm. Holy moly. Yeah. Talk about the guys coming out of the movie. You're gonna, uh, you're gonna, you're gonna cast, uh, Tommy and, uh, and the other guy. Yeah. My friend, Tommy's here. Yeah. We're here. Where's the paycheck? Yeah. And where's craft service? Yeah. That's boss. Nobody said you can be. Yeah, they said we're in the job. Don't worry. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, okay. Okay. Yeah, guys that would show up. And then we're like, oh, but I can't shoot here. I'm on parole. It's too close to a bank. You're like, oh, I can't be in your bank. Sorry. Oh, man. There were some characters. And it was a blast. It was a blast. And what about, um, 30 Rocks working there? Let's, uh, uh, Tina Fey. The show or the film? Tina Fey. Discuss. Tina, I credit Tina along with Lauren for allowing me to be in comedies. Mm-hmm. Nobody thought it's not like when you do Mad Men, they're like, I bet that guy's real funny. He's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes. True. You're very serious in Mad Men. I mean, too. Yes. Yeah. So when Lauren asked me to host the show, I was like, oh, my God, that's the only thing I've ever wanted to do since I was, since ever was beyond Saturday night life. So I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys very welcoming, here we are with everyone's in costume. It's very funny. The, you know, read through that week is a packet of 50. I think you were right next to me. I can't remember where you sat. Uh, so, so fun. And then, uh, I remember, uh, I think it was after read through or maybe it was on Thursday. But I was going down to the, to, to eight to do blocking something. And the phone in my, in the dressing room rings, Jesus, that's weird. It's like on a hotel phone ring. She was calling me. It was calling in the room. This is very weird. And I picked it up. I was like, hello, hello. Is it John again? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hi. It's Robert Karlock. We just want to know if you wanted to come do his thing on 30 Rock, uh, it's kind of love interest for, for Liz and we're, I was like, huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that and Tina, unbeknownst to me, had called Lauren after read through and says, this guy funny. How is this guy? As Tina is want to do, like, give me the straight dope and Lauren, yeah, I mean, it's like when you're in that space, we were on parallel tracks. Like, we shot our pilots in the same studio at, at Silvercup, right? So we kind of, we were, and, and they were, they were one for comedy and we were winning for drama. And it was like, man, man, 30 rock, man, man, 30 work was great. Well, you were winning, but they were the show. You were the losers. Yeah. Losers aren't. Thank you. Tina's love language is writing incredible material that you get to do. Yeah. Like, that's like how she's like, it's like, it's the nicest gift is that she starts you painted. And I recently got a text from Tina that was the beginning of my character arc on the show, where I played a perfectly normal human being. Now cut to season, whatever, where I have two hooks for hands. And then follow, follow, and the reason I have hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of a helicopter and I waived twice. So she was like, remember when this guy was a normal person and like, oh, he didn't last long. Okay. And then the last thing he had, I want to ask you about, because I love it, is I loved you at the Super Bowl, enjoying bad bunny. And I love people, bad bunny came at a time where for a lot of people, it was like, we're, you know, we're looking for something, anything, anything, any expression of joy would be helpful. And he exactly, any artistic expression of joy. I know you're a huge fan of his. You went to, like, what was it like watching and tell me why do you want to party here? Cheers. Why? My wife, honor, who I met on the last episode of Mad Men. - Okay, can you tell everybody who she played in the last episode? - She plays the receptionist of the S.L.N. like place, the girl with the pig tails. - Incredible. - Who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. - Yes. - So this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John. We ended up getting married at the same place, same location. - No. - Yes, ma'am. - They better give you that for free. - We worked out it next time. (laughing) - Incredible. - It was a beautiful magical experience and lovely. So Anna had gone to Columbia with her sister and her best friend on a girls trip. And they would go to the dance clubs at night after dinner, whatever, and shake their butts and have a good time. And they were like, there's this guy that keep playing bad money. No one had heard of this like 2018. He wasn't even played on the reggaeton stations in LA or New York. No one had heard of them. And we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here and there. And we go out in New York City and they play me this battle. Who is this? Our text thread is called bad bunnies. That was just our first. And I was like, did this guy's energy sound? Whatever. So over the course of our relationship, this is the soundtrack to our relationship. - Oh, that's so nice. - So it's, and it's just organic. It wasn't, you know. So we had heard about, he had hosted the show where he was a guest on the show on SNL. Got to go to that. We found out he was doing this residency in Puerto Rico. I was like, and to Anna's great credit, she's always like, what if we did that? And it was the last. - Yeah. - That was the first time I went viral was in the casita dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man. - He's fun. - He's fun. We had a dance party at the. - I love dancing. - I love dancing. - Me too. And so there's, as you said, the world was a little. - It's. - Is a little of a bummer. - A lot of a bummer. - A lot of a bummer. - Yeah. - But boy, man, for 15 minutes of that half time show. - Yeah. - And what a message. And what a, and not for nothing, you forget that he had to perform that. - No kidding. - I mean, I think like always sing along to a tracker or whatever, like, no, no, no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing on a pole, spike in a foot ball. You're like. - Doing a trust fall. - Like a real one, not a fake one. Up in the air. - 10 out of 10, no notes, perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen to the words, and you're like, oh man, that's a nice sentiment as well. - Yeah. - Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping point. And if it is, what a kick ass thing to do. - Yeah. - Remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than siloed in a part. And that joy is kind of great. - And that there's a million ways to be an American, and that music is like that. When music does that, I feel like, I know you feel this way about music too, like there's something about music that can short cut. - Yeah. - In a way. - So universal language, I'm saying it always, because it doesn't matter what kind, it doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive, it can be soothing, it can be all of the things, but man, when it hits the right buttons, feels good. - Juan homon. - Juancito, jamoncito. - Limjani. - Limjani. (laughing) - Do you speak Spanish? - I do speak Spanish, pretty well. - You do? - I do, pretty well. - How did you learn it? - I learned it in high school, and then I worked in a million restaurants in Los Angeles. - Yeah. - And then you get really good at it. - Do you have an accent? - Like a, is it, do you have a-- (speaking in Spanish) - And the last question I have for you is, what are you laughing at these days? What are you watching that's making you laugh? And it can be, it doesn't have to be something-- - You know what I watch recently, that really made me laugh that I think you would really like. - Yeah. - It's a show out of Canada called "Heated Revenue." (laughing) No, it's not that, that's a bit. - That's called a bit. - But it does have to do, it is Canadian, and it does have to do the hockey. It's a show called "Shorzy." - Oh, I love "Shorzy." - That is making me laugh. And you know what it's also making me do, cry. - It's making, okay. - It's a really, it's a great show. - Okay, I've only watched clips of "Shorzy" 'cause, you know, I've seen him on-- - I've seen him on-- - Six episodes a season. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Oh, I love that. - You can watch all of them in a half a day. - And him, okay, let's watch-- - So Jared Kiso. - Okay, tell me more. - Was on a show, created a show called "Letter Kenny." - Yes. - Which is a very, very Canadian show. - Yes. - But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste, as I think should be. - Yeah, comedy is very subjective. - Subjective. And the reason he did this was because he came to LA and they were like, you're too Canadian, you're too this or too that and he's like, "Fuck, I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna make my own show." And he did. And then he spun it off into this thing, "Shorzy." And it's "Shorzy" is about this kind of local hero, legend, he plays on the local men's hockey team. And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in Northern Ontario that they live called Sudbury. And over the course of the series, they win the championship, then he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. And it's a tremendous show because it highlights most of the people in power that are running things are women. Many of them are First Nations, Indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of, it just is. And his relationship to all of that, while being this Bruiser is very soft. - Yes, yes. I mean, I've seen-- - That's got this real high pitch voice and it's really kind of funny. - Oh, in the way. - And he always interrupts people. - They're always interrupting. - And they're always, and they're overlapping dialogue is really funny. - It's tremendous. It's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers. So I'm trying to pump their tires a little bit. - I want to find the scenes where he's hitting on. - Oh, when he hits on the girl who he really loves. It's so, I'll make you feel-- - Sure, he and Laura. - I'll make you so happy. - Okay, that's the stuff that I see. And it's so funny. It's such a funny move. - But it's also like, it's also deeply sentimental and heartfelt. That was where I was like, oh, I want to watch the show 'cause his move, his comedy move is like, I'm going to love you so hard, and she's just like, I'm not interested, and it's so good. - Sure, you're going to want to enjoy the perks that come along with that. It's summer and Saturday. - Start fucking play a del Carmen. - Let me know what you'll say. - Start fucking Bellino Horizonte. - I'm going to have the scenes to the next level. But I need to be sure that you're sure. - Oh, so good. Such a good show. Okay, we're going to check that out. Well, John Hamm. - Amy Polar Bear. - Buddy, I don't have a lot of straight men on the show. (laughing) So, I break down a lot of doors, a lot of walls. You know, that's nice. - You know, and I should probably-- - But the guys you do are great. Everybody's too. - Great. - All of our buddies. - Yeah, I know. - It's nice to be, first of all, it's so great to see you. - You too. - I really do miss you. We don't hang out enough, but I'm glad we got this one in. - Same. - You are the best in the biz. And-- - Right back at you. - Consistently make me smile and happy, and I look forward to your new show, which I know is coming out. I was talking to Shera about that. - Oh my God, we didn't even talk about your friends. In "Neighbor" season three coming out. It's so great. It's so funny. Congratulations on another big hit show for Apple. - Yeah, season three starting. We'll start shooting out in late April. Season two will come out in early April. And it's very fun and fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. - I know, but lots of nights. - Yeah, lots of nights, but-- - I saw on that first season. I was like, "Oh, we have to break in at night time." - Oh my God, they almost broke me on that. - I bet. I was like, "We got to find a way to break into "These houses during the day." (laughing) - Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters, Ham. I'm happy to be one of them. So thanks for doing this. - Thank you, Amy. - Love you too. (clapping) - Thank you so much, John Hamm. It was so good to have you and see you. And I love talking to you. And, you know, John and I talked about a lot of things, and I mentioned a very brief anecdote about, probably my favorite actress, Frances McDormand. And so for this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. (laughing) I just rewatched No Mad Land the other night. And oh, God, that is a good performance. She's just good in everything. She's so interesting and smart and just so cool. And Frances, if you're listening, I love you. Never change, please. I'm just a big fan of your work. And check out Frances's work. (laughing) You know, it's these kind of polar punches. Thank you, Frances. for your work and thank you, John Ham, for coming today and for your work and thank you just for, oh my god, I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me Amy Poler. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spalane, Kaya McMollan, and Alia Zeneres. For PaperKite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman. Original music by Amy Miles.