Johnny Mitchell CONFIRMS on CIA Bankers, El Chapo's Kids, & China-Mexico Funnel

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So it's like pushing that on like the judge, like my clients, you know, he's a drug addict and he's been dealing with addiction issues. So the feds decided to just seize the money and drop the case and give it over to the state. So I only had to do state time. - But isn't, state's way worse in a lot of cases. - It depends where you are. In certain cases, it definitely is. - You're 24, right? - Yup, 24 at the time. So it depends if you go to a USP, yeah, if you're in Lompoc or fucking, you know, Leavenworth, yeah, those are bad USPs. - Right. - I mean, people get, people are murdered every day there. - Whereas Coleman is like a golf club. - Coleman's a bad one too. - That's a bad one? - When there's a low, there's a Coleman low. - Yeah, yeah, Coleman low. - Yes, if you're at a low, knowing what I know now, I'm like, yeah, I'd almost rather go to a low than a fucking maximum security state prison, for sure. 'Cause you're hitting golf balls. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know everything about the prison system, but I'm, again, I'm an amateur expert on the subject. Most bad USPs, are worse than bad state prisons. Because people have so much money in USPs. People have so much money in the feds that they can get you killed. - Right. - And that people are doing so much time. And there's no parole. There's no parole out of the feds. So, you can get clemency from the president. - Well, it's 85%, right? - Right, right, but even in, you know, I interviewed a guy, Banky Pound, he's got a great channel. He got sentenced to like hundreds of years in prison, but, he went for parole at 17 years. And he got out at 30, right? - What'd he do? - He was a murder robbery. They were armed robbing people and the guy got killed. But it's like, in the- - Unfortunately, may he rest in peace. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck 'em. - Thanks for the content. - Hey, thanks for the click bait. Hey, maybe that should be like my tagline. You know what I mean? - On old school radio. Thank you for the click bait. So yeah, he got smoked. But my point is, if you get liked, if you get a life in the feds, there's no- - Yeah, you're fucked. - You're basically fucked. And again, unless you can get like a pardon or a compassionate release, yeah, there is no, there's no, there's not much recourse. So, I don't know. - When you got arrested, 'cause they didn't offer you bail, I guess, you had to sit in county? - I had no bail because of all the cash they seized. It was just very rare. - That's kind of crazy. You didn't have bail and it's just cash? - Bro, and like they took my passport and all that shit. - I would think that would suffice. - Yeah, I mean, they, they were, which, 'cause they were like, "Wow, this kid's a fish." Like they were surprised. They were like, "What the fuck did we just stumble into?" You know? So- - They thought you were a fucking Walter White. - Exactly, exactly. - So you're sitting in county though. Like, did you have a moment where reality just hits you and you're like, "Holy shit, it's over?" - For sure. Like, as soon as you hit the bed that first night, I mean, I slept and any fucking con, any ex-con will tell you, the fuck? The first night you're in jail, oh, it's the deepest sleep you've ever had. Just dreamless sleep, dude. 'Cause it's like a relief. You're like, "Oh, it's over." - I'm not running. - Yeah, and then you wake up, you know, and then it's the first, I guess the first wake up. That's the worst, that's the worst moment is when you wake up after your first sleep in jail. You're like, "Holy fuck, what have I done? "This is a problem." - When'd your parents find out? - They were the first call. - Yeah. - First call. - Yeah. - First call is always to your parents, somebody to your mom, dude, you know? Yeah, they were always there for me, you know? The whole community was there, that's what's dope. And that kind of keeps you in check a little bit 'cause, you know, we're from like a pretty good family and, you know, it's kind of a shame, it's kind of shameful to have to tell, you know, my dad's friends at his tennis club that my son's in prison or whatever. So the fact that everybody stood behind me, that's kind of what kept me from going to jail. That's kind of what kept me straight when I got out is like, it's that expectation of like-- - We had your back. - Yeah, so I kind of got to do this for you guys 'cause if I keep going back to prison, pretty soon they're just gonna say, "Well, that's kind of what he does." And I was gonna lose them and lose my friends. So, you know, that's the disadvantage of being from the hood is like going to jail and prison is so normal that it's not as much of a social stigma. - Right. - Like they don't have that like, you know, keeping them in check. - I never thought of it that way. It's actually very obvious. - Booker T. Washington talked about that. - Yeah. - Booker T. Washington talked about like how like white people, white folks had the expectation, social expectations that keep them, you know, more focused. It's interesting. But you know, all that shit's changing, bro. Like the black community's doing better than ever, in my opinion. Like less black people are going to, I don't know about this statistically, but just from the hood, like what we see and who we talk to, like, cats who come out of jail now, it's not cool anymore. Like, like you're not like a hard rock 'cause you've been to prison. It used to be, if you're from the hood and you got out of prison, you like had a stripe. You got felonies now, like congrats. Like Henry Hill coming home after he doesn't rat, taking his first pinch, like it's not cool anymore. So to me, that's like progress. - Yeah, that would be, if you're right about that. I mean, it's also like, you know, you have in a lot of these places the environment is shaping people because there's no economic opportunity. So they're pulled into it when they're 13, 14. And then that, that's what they know. - Yeah, yeah. - And so the idea that like, they're going to come out and do something different. Like what, what are they, what are they going to do? You know, this has been their whole life. I can't imagine that. 'Cause I, I had the luxury of not having that. - Right. - You know, there's opportunity. And you also got to see that too. You got to know there's a different world out there. Now you made it harder for yourself because you become a convicted felon. But like, you're like, okay, people have my back in my community. And I'm a smart guy and I got talents. Like now I'm going to go balls to the walls and do what I do. - Yeah. Yeah. You know, now the kids from the hood, they're not even selling drugs anymore. They're, it's all into like scams and fucking. - Yeah. We just had Punch Made Dev here. - Well, he's like a, I don't know who that is. - Yeah. He's a rapper who is a former scammer. - Yeah. Right. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. They're all into credit card fraud. It's funny. The ghettos go white collar. Credit card fraud used to be a white collar crime. - They're graduating. - They're graduating, dude. Yeah. - How long were you in county figuring out your case? - God damn. I was in there for like eight months. That's him right there. - Yeah. It's Punch Made Dev. - Yeah. Don't you love the, don't you love the social media posts? - It's a great aesthetic. - Especially when you're trying to keep a low profile. Trying to keep a low profile. Just posting videos of your arms filled with scabs. - You gotta talk to him. Tommy G calls me up. He's like, yo, I'm going to come and do a podcast and I'm bringing Punch Made Dev. I was like, okay. Really, really nice guy too. - Yeah. You know, I believe it. - Yeah. - A lot of these guys are, man. - An innovator. For sure. - I don't think he's, I don't think we're going to have him on the show. - No? - No. I don't know why. I just don't think he's going to make for a good podcast guest. - Why not? - Because he's not going to be candid. Maybe he will be. Who knows? - That's an interesting way you put it. He, he's very guarded. - Yeah. - Very guarded. But there's a lot of, there's, I don't know, this is just how I found it from my seat. You, you can check it out and decide for yourself. But there was a lot of like guarded answers that were masked in, what's the term I'm looking for? Like take the hint. - Yeah, sure, sure. - And I think, I think a lot of people out there are smart enough to take the hint. - Yeah. Yeah. My fans, we like, I think what makes my show different is that we tell it exactly how it actually happens. That was my goal with the show. Like, let me in a journalistic way, explain how crime, drug trafficking, whatever, actually works. - Yeah. - So when people come on and are guarded, you can't tell, I'm furious. - You're like, you're going to tell me exactly. Give me the pin code. - I've become the cops. I've become like a cops in an interrogation room. - Turn your telegram on right now. - I'm going to fucking start beating the shit out of you. I'm going to, I'm going to handcuff you to the fucking chair. You piece of shit. - All right. Maybe don't talk with Dev. Anyway. So it takes eight months though. Did you make a deal? Is that what happened? You didn't go to a jury trial or anything? - No, we kept, we kept, we kept, he was like, just hang in there because the longer you're in there, the more they want to fucking, the more they want to keep, especially with the state, they just want to move you through. - Yeah. - So the fact that they, the fact that you forfeited your money, the fact that you, they don't really have anything besides these several things. Also, I had, I had a previous felony. - You did? - Yeah, I did. THE HOUSE GOES TO THE rated part of the one of the reasons that we shifted to mailing packages instead of selling locally besides the gigantic profit margin was that about a year and a half before I got popped the second time that sent me to prison a stash house of ours got raided and they found product so I had probation I was on felony probation but I don't mean I didn't have I had a completely clean record one of if not the most common DMS I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are well today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter I'm gonna give you my top 10 book recommendations right now also if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show you can do so via the discord link in my description below and finally you can join my patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the patreon link in my description below as always please take one second to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already I really appreciate that also the like buttons a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below and I knew I was this business was about to pop so I just for you stayed in after that that wasn't because it started making so much money yeah that's what I know but so I knew they were like at least I was gonna get my probation revoked and I was at least gonna have to do a couple of years so it was happening it's happening regardless you know so but I did I did some time and in a max and a maximum security but I got out and went to a camp where how long were you in the max was in the max for six almost seven months this is where in County seven months in the max and then I was in for about four months at the camp so when you were in the max that's when you were in cellmates with the Hells Angel yeah guys no I'm sorry I have a friend named you got to take that out because he's the one who introduced me to all my weed plugs all right yeah let's let's sorry no it's all good yeah yeah and Jimmy who I explained on my show he's the one who ended up killing somebody and they sent him to death row like almost like in jail after yeah the day after I got transferred out and shot to a camp wild so who did he kill some guy who's getting out he was getting out and he stepped to him with a fucking with a piece with a with a knife and Jimmy fucking punched his ass and either bro I don't know if he snapped his neck or the guy fell back and hit his head on the concrete but he fucking killed him with a punch yeah big guy he was not that tall but like solid like he had the build of a lifer like huge just push up dip dip bar body like these weren't weights these were just him using every part of the fucking furniture and then like kind of a gut mm-hmm and bald but yeah dude that guy had some that guy like was he was my Walter White like the meth stories that that guy had cooking meth like in the 70s like turning dope when it was biker dope like just like the guys guys that are doing life have the craziest memories because it's like their life stops the minute they come into prison yeah it's like it's over and and they just all they have are these vivid memories yeah it's it's it's amazing but you're in a max for first of all how is County Jail like is that does that fights and you know all that bullshit like ever everything in Oregon is a little less a little less intense especially in California you know what I mean so that's you know to my benefit but yeah you're still fading you still have to fight when you get there you know some people are getting it when you get to they probably couldn't reach your face when they tried to fight yeah I mean they're fuck no I got tuned up though no I got tuned up the first fight I had was like I definitely I got my licks in but I was definitely like my face was swollen up yeah no I got you're tall as fuck I was not expecting that this guy was big though he was like six two and he was a fucking skinhead and he we were both got in we both hit the cell block at the same time so it was like immediately like that's who you have to fight that's yeah it's just a known yeah that's or else you're gonna get run off like you're gonna get beaten up then you got to leave the cell block and go be with the fucking guys like like like bump up before I want a good clean fight nothing below the waist we did after we ended up becoming friends because we got shot to the same prison oh you went to the same max together yeah at the same time or same time yeah well yeah he was a lifer on the installment plan he goes in and out on the installment plan he comes in for five comes out goes back in for seven you know what I mean yeah yeah he's doing life he's basically a lifer you know oh my god yeah you go so you do seven months seven eight months in in Mac yeah how bad was that I mean it was it was it's good and bad it's good because the time passes because there's so it's such a routine the county jail is like every day is a week every week feels like a month time goes by really fast in prison because it's just routine every day it's like the military you know but yeah was I mean there was a riot there was stabbings there was you know killings yeah yeah so but that was probably where I decided I was like I'm gonna move to LA I want to be in show business man that was like we're really where I was like yeah if I fucking make it out of this dude I'm I'm going to I'm gonna go do something that I like for once did you have anyone in there like encouraging you with that oh you're entertaining as a lot of people by I mean maybe let not as entertaining but because like I was too scared the funniest guys in there are the black people go figure so I was always scared to like be the center of attention but people that knew me were like oh yeah he's a sharp guy like you know being smart helps because it's it's like differentiates you and they're like don't fuck with the smart guy right he's like this is college boy you know so but also Jimmy was the one it was like he's not affiliated don't touch him oh so he protected you yeah yeah bro that guy ran the fucking yard we were on so it's like you know I talked about Jimmy and again in the early connect videos and yeah he's the he's the guy that I you know that was like my fucking guardian angel you know what I mean so but he was definitely like yeah that's like I admitted what I wanted to do and I started doing talent shows in prison so I would go down and it was like it was like stand-up almost but it was like insult comedy so I would like yeah they were like after us go after the fucking blacks go after units dude if they recorded it thank God I would be fucked bro but that's just how everybody talked it was like it was like if you didn't go hard like that was you wouldn't get any laughs and if your talent was like you sucked like an old pedophile with a guitar would get up there oh no start throwing shit and like they like that they let the chomas do the talent show yeah yeah but if you suck they would fucking they would they would boo you off and then or they would beat you up so so I so I got to a point where like I did a few of these and I was just killing I was like doing impressions of the guards I was fucking insulting the shit out of people and they'd be like yo do my fucking do my cousin next time you do that little talent thing you do away I'm like yeah all right let me go in and so that was like the first that was the that was like the beginning the genesis of like stand-up comedy even though I didn't even know like I didn't I don't knew nothing about stand-up back then like I wanted to be like an actor and a writer but you still weren't making the connection you were you know still wasn't making the connection so I thought I was like writing screenplays I was like yeah I want to be like a fucking I want to make movies that's what I wanted to do is make movies you could definitely do that because you're you're a great storyteller I feel like now the industry's so fucked up and even when I got to LA in 2012 I was like oh damn I've definitely missed the boat even back then you were sitting back then man yeah like I I haven't been ahead on many things but I was ahead on looking at the end of the glory years of Hollywood and I think that was like the last generation like the Wolf of Wall Street was 2012 2013 13 I think I feel like that was the like the the beginning of the end or or a sayonara to the end because yeah really after that they weren't making any you know that was the beginning of Instagram yeah that was really where like social media 2013-2014 started to just completely absorb it and I was like yeah I think this is like where's the market gonna go everything is decentralizing you know yeah so it's a good call so that's why by 2019-2020 if you were doing stand-up you were like nobody was even thinking about like getting television shows anymore nobody gave a fuck about that it was like Rogan and podcasting like that was it well they were ahead of the the stand-up community was the most ahead of the curve yes absolutely you because you have to be so entrepreneurial it's like rap and then stand up is the most DIY do-it-yourself kind of things so um and now podcasting is going by the wayside at least for stand-up comedy it's very saturated now it's all short form shit you see these fucking unfunny bitches you know so one of them in New York who I'm thinking of but she does these really really funny just like I'm toxic she makes content for like Gen Z women and honestly and she's so popular though she pops up in my feed I've seen her do stand-up though it's it's it you know she's not there yet but we wish her well we wish her well we wish her well but she makes like these funny sketches and they're for a niche and that's it and like who cares like who cares about being mass popular anymore it's like she's making speaking for a Democrat graphic and that's you're gonna eat very well off that kind of shit yeah yeah everyone and i mean it happens over and over again throughout humanity when when something goes right everyone runs to exactly what that is right you and that's what you didn't do you found you're like yo i gotta i'm funny as fuck i'm a stand-up comic but i'm not gonna go do just the main stand-up comic thing i'm gonna use my life experience my connections no pun intended and i'm gonna go make something where i can melt my comedy into something that's gritty and niche that people want and aren't getting enough exactly exactly and thank you and so now i'm trying to find that next thing that's different but now thanks to this podcast and you know the glory of god uh because he really threw us a bone there uh now i have the resources to where like i can just go kind of have fun like i can just do shit because it's fun that's a big value just that's huge that's freedom bro that's real freedom and that's if you're because because i look at these people that have so much money you know in show business comedians and it's never enough so i don't want to fall into that mental trap again so i remember how in the game that was like i didn't feel free even though i had so much money for being a fucking kid and i didn't feel free and i never got to enjoy it you know you look at these drug king but you think mencho is free you think what's his name ignacio osagüero you think he's a free guy he has to be surrounded by fucking private armies and he has to live in endless summer escapes start here travel the worlds of netflix irl inspired by fan favorites like stranger things and squid game brave the upside down face off with the front man play leveled up arcade games shop exclusive merch and enjoy themed food and drinks beat the heat play eat and shop on repeat at netflix house at galleria dallas bring your crew and save get your tickets today at netflix.com slash house the deepest mountains of michoacan he's not free no is all the money in the world so that's what i'm determined to not fall into that i mean i want to keep obviously i love making money and i want to keep like expanding whatever enterprise is next but um it's got to be well hopefully it's doing something that's authentic and that's what i'm determined to not fall into that i mean i want to that i i love to do well that's key people can read through that in a second when you're not doing right you know exactly but it sounds like you're starting to see the light at that tunnel of where that freedom could be and that's great because you've also like not for nothing but as you're saying you've experienced it where you didn't hit the hit the shoot you know what i mean and get out so you have a life an extreme life experience that has hopefully now taught you that other people who are on their legal journey right like it's like a stand-up comic or something can't understand because they've never had that moment so it's like oh well now i'm at you know selling out fucking 40 shows a year in stadiums i'm making seven million dollars but man i would really i would feel a lot better if i was making 11 and i could get that private jet there's always something they step up to yeah you know yeah i saw that when i worked on wall street and i saw these ultra rich people and i'm just i'm a simple guy right and the clients that didn't even necessarily have the most money but had i mean they all had a lot of money but like less than others the ones who just lived a happy life and had friday fucking pizza and the family never called up to bitch about their nephew who wanted fucking 30 grand for a stupid new goddamn econ business like they were the happiest people yeah i was like there is something to be said for that because they could have gotten a lot more but they got enough right damn dude enough yeah i don't have enough yet but i'm hoping that's why i'm really hoping that this bitcoin narrative is true like i'm hoping you know you know you know these these propagandists these on all the hype videos that are just like number go up this is this is uh this is this is digital energy this is digital property because then the money you make you can really like keep and it's not getting debased you know so it's like you don't have to keep making money the idea is to and then not have to make it anymore because it's very hard to make money so it's like once you make it it's wealth now because you're in this asset and it builds and it carries over so yeah oh i'm really hoping that's true i hope for you it's true thanks but you too dude you're a hodler we're working on it yeah but what's the you know have you done stories going back to some of the cartel stuff have you been working on stories where you're uncovering say the unholy alliance with intelligence and some of these and some of these groups personally no i haven't personally uncovered any of that i think everybody kind of knows it already of course cafe is the closest one he's the one that that experienced it when he was working in special forces um yeah but you know we talked to people like we were in uh this state of coahuila which is uh on on the east coast of mexico not the east coast but it's sandwiched between uh tamalipas nuevo leon and um and some other states and it was where the zetas really like that was their stronghold and so we talked to a number of guys that fought the zetas that remember the zeta wars very vividly and they were like oh yeah definitely americans you know school of the americas taught these guys directly like american military generals at the school of the americas and sometimes in mexico taught people who became like the taliban of mexican drug cartels that's wild bro wild and america's done that all over the world and you wonder and you're never gonna know you wonder what the trade-off is there how many lives did they save doing that versus the lives that they ended by training it yeah for sure and what is the point like some of it seems so dubious like just because you want us to fight anti-communists that's why america for decades funded uh you know worked with felix gallardo and the guadalajara cartel and they you know this is a whole trope in the show narco oh yeah i'm not saying anything new um but yeah you're like oh yeah i'm not saying anything new i'm not saying anything new i'm not saying anything like was that really worth it just to get guns to nicaragua dumb dumb who gives a shit about nicaragua but also it's like what it's like nicaragua higgins ragua sorry um that's a real callback uh nicaragua you gotta say you can't say nicaragua you gotta say nicaragua don't do the fiovon please uh so uh higgins bro i cannot hear the words higgins anymore um was that a worthy it's do you know what it is though and i really do think that is the consequence it's one of the consequences of like fiat money like being the the empire that can print the money there's so much slosh and waste in these budgets of the military they've got to go somewhere so that they just create these problems because they're like we gotta everybody's getting paid and if we don't use the budget next year it won't be there so we just gotta spend and that's why they come up with all these like proxy wars and like why would anybody be doing this it's because energy has to go somewhere yeah that's kind of how i see it you know people get like on like the bitcoin maxis and stuff for just making every goddamn thing about fiat and printing or whatever but like money it's like the most obvious thing but the other people who detract from that want to ignore this money is what runs every fucking decision in some level that's made in the world right you know i used to have this thing i would ask clients when i worked on wall street i'm like what are the two most important things in your life and usually they'd say some very important things like health and family health and family and i'd say money pays for both yeah and it sucks i hate that but like it's that's a very real thing and so you you see you see something like mexico and where it's gotten with cartels well why did all that start it started from economic inopportunity and then guys who were gonna seal the vacuum in that void yeah and that's the story around the world but countries that have to balance their budget because they can't they know if they print money like growth is going to happen and they're going to have to grow their currency will lose 50 of its value venezuela look at the stock market stock market's doing great because you need like a hundred million boulevards to get a cup of coffee you know what i mean so there's real consequences for everybody besides us when it comes to printing money so they're literally like countries around the world are like if we want to go to war if we don't have enough taxes we just can't do this whereas like we don't even have to think about that it's it's a it's a brilliant kind of ponzi scheme so you can make that argument it's fucking sick yeah when you really look at the fed and how it's done here yeah it's like how's that it's it's it's legalized ultra taxation right every time just mathematically it's a tax every inflation is just a tax and you don't vote on it but you pay for it yeah and it wasn't like that until like what 1914 or something like that yeah i there's way better people than me to comment on that i mean when i believe it was 1914 when i went what was 1914 1914 was when basically the u.s took over the uh responsibility of safeguarding people's gold it's when britain broke its economy when they broke off from it was there 1971 but that was really the beginning of the fiat currency era. And then it went crazy after Nixon and the gold standard of 71 but it began in 1914 when we gave a bunch of like credit credit swaps let's just read about it there yeah ai can tell you better in 1914 the united states took significant steps to safeguard its gold reserves this was largely due to the federal reserve system's establishment and the start of world war one in europe so we took advantage of that federal reserve act of 1913 this act establishes federal reserve system to stabilize the financial system and address banking prices gold standard and federal reserve notes the u.s used a full gold standard with paper currency convertible to gold coin the federal reserve notes needed to be backed by at least 40 percent gold and then world war one and increased gold holdings the outbreak of world war one in europe led to a financial crisis and increased the amount of gold flowing into the united states that makes sense because we didn't get involved till 1917 this increased the federal reserves gold holdings which could be used as reserves and then and this is the part i have learned more about from other people telling me about this on the podcast but you had two events so you've been mentioned in the last two but i want to start with the gold standard because it's not like the big line in the sand because it takes us off the gold standard but back when the great depression happened and fdr had to come in and do like the new deal there were there was something i forget what it was but there was something in there oh he devalued gold right yeah right he he reset the price on gold to like help the economy at the time but that's just kicking the can down right he did that and then he actually made it illegal to own gold which i don't know what effect that had but order in 33 to address the economic crisis. FDR issued Executive Order 6102 which prohibited private ownership of gold, coins, bullion. So imagine that. Imagine how crazy that is. It's illegal to have gold. I'm fucked. Yeah, dude. Yeah, those Cubans in Miami are fucked, dude. You basically, you might as well say, fuck Italians and Cubans. Just New Jersey and Florida, report to jail. Puerto Rico's gonna get a lot of fucking emigrants, dude. You know, there's, I'm sure you can relate to this with all the people you talk to, but there's these moments that happen in podcasts where you're like, where like things connect and all that, and you're like, oh my God, that explains what this guy said and whatever. And when I had Ed here in March, at one point he was like going off on the national security state and how like CIA is involved with cartels. And he goes, and are we gonna talk about the CIA? Going to top five, top ten banks and flipping regular old bankers who are top ten C-suite into being money launderers for the cartel. And I'm just sitting here looking at him going, I'm going, Ed, funny you say that. That was March 13th. I said on March 6th, I had the guy sitting there who did that and told the story of how he did that. And he was a banker who got flipped by the CIA? He was a CIA knock who did it. And he explained how he went and started at a bar with the guy. And how he flipped him and his job, his his micro job. He didn't know the bigger picture because they keep you compartmentalized. Like, just go do this. His micro job was flip this guy because we need to use this bank. He wouldn't say, obviously, what bank it was, but it was a major bank. Right. And we're going to funnel money from the cartels through there because his job as a knock was a money launderer for the cartels. That was his cover. Right. And then, you know, we're going to flow it for national security. So what? And that's currently happening? It was when Matt was doing it. Or that was back in the day. And that was back in the day. In 2015, 2016. So why wouldn't it be happening now? Wow. I mean, I don't know which organization Wow. I mean, I don't know which organization and why. Which organization? Which organization and why. Which organization? Which organization? And I ask you that because. When you say organization? Cartel. Nobody, by the way, nobody calls Cartel. Nobody, by the way, nobody calls them. I'm getting out of the habits of calling them cartels. them cartels. Why? Because Americans call them that and they don't. Nobody really says that down there. They call them criminal organizations. They don't even call them that. Like the ordinary people call them They don't even call them that. Like the ordinary people call them gente malo. Gente malo, malandros, thieves, or whatever. And yeah, nobody calls them cartels. So we've culturally appropriated cartels. Exactly. And if you listen to like Luis Chaparro, who you should have on your show, he calls them their criminal organizations because they're more than just cartels. He calls them their criminal organizations because they're more than just cartels. Cartels kind of. Yeah, they do set the price of drugs as much as they can, but they're into so many different rackets, dude. They're into, you know, again, oil theft. They're into extortion, some of them. They're into, you know, white collar crime. Puerto Vallarta, they're calling people up with scams. Ripping off fucking foreigners, selling them timeshares that don't exist, you know? So they're all off in it, bro. They're way more dynamic. But, okay, back to my question. What was his speculation on why the CIA was helping cartels. the CIA was helping cartels. helping cartels? In the 80s, we knew, with Rick Ross and with the Nicaraguans, that was all because they were funding illegal wars that were to fight communism. I can get that, but why in 2016? So, I'm gonna tell you what he told me, and before I do that, I'm gonna say that naturally, I think he probably knows more about the bigger picture, but he would never fucking say it on a podcast or off record with me. But, what he was saying is, and this is definitely part of it, is that when you are doing a white collar job for the cartels such as money laundering, a lot of money to launder, you are a very valued person if you are great at it, and have a connection like, say, a fucking top five bank to be able to do this through, such that you get to some of the highest levels of these organizations, and he did not specify which one it was. So, it could have been multiple, could have been one of them, your guess is as good as mine. But, in doing that, you are working with an international crime syndicate at the highest level. You're working with the fucking Apple or Google of international crime. And what that allows him to do is have proper cover when he goes to other countries as this character where, let's make one up, let's say he was going to Hungary for something for the cartels. I don't know, some fucking, you know, they're working on a supply chain for money laundering. When he goes into that country, there may be a book on him with their intel agency or their FBI, Hungary's FBI, where they're like, "Oh, yeah, it's a cartel money launderer." So, they're looking at him for that. So, when he fucking throws a mask on and goes out at 11:55 PM and puts on his CIA hat, and goes and meets with some fucking Russian oligarch to get a nuclear code completely unrelated to what he does, he's got the proper cover as a criminal going into the country such that they would never look at him for doing that type of job. You mean the Russian oligarch? Right. They would never look at him meeting with him. Right. Oh, I see. Sure, sure, sure. It's like a diversion. It's like, "Look at the crime! Look at the crime! Don't look over here!" Right. That's all it is. It's like a lot of nothing and the nothing is these fucking funding cartels before he does something, which is five minutes over here to do something for the CIA. It's a moral quandary the likes of which I can't even. Right. But we still don't know why. It still doesn't explain why. Like, why they're. What is the value to the CIA for collaborating with Mexican criminal organizations? Well, the why, and again, I think there's more than just this for the why, but the why is that it is a phenomenal cover. They're basically using it as a Trojan horse, so that when he goes to these places, they can be like, "Oh, cartel guy. Instead of. That could be a CIA guy. Let's watch who he meets with." See what I'm saying? Yeah, so this is a great deal for the cartels because it seems like they get all the benefit from it. Yep. That's. Well, the U.S. gets benefit in this, if this is how it turns out, in the sense that they have an agent who's able to go do things and get away with it without anyone looking at them that are important for national security, while the cartel gets the benefit of, "Oh, no. We're not in here to investigate you." Right. Not that they're talking to them like that, because he's undercover, but it's like, "We're gonna help you keep this going." Well, also, you know what the benefit is? They don't get all. They don't get money laundered by the American government for free. What they do is they give up the other people. They give up their competitors. So I should have put that together, because we know that very well. Probably. It's probably, you know, obviously, Ismael Maia Zimbada comes to mind. Took the words out of my mouth. Yeah. He was probably. He was the one that was most entrenched with foreign intelligence services for the longest, because he's been around, you know, in the game since, like, really, since the late '60s. But he's been on top since the '80s. So that's probably, you know, really, he's very, very connected with, you know, the Mexican federal government. And that's. And his sources within the DEA and the CIA, for sure. I remember when you did the podcast with Danny, this was a few years ago, but I distinctly remember you talking about El Mayo, and I think you were specula. And I think other people were, too, who know what they're talking about, like you. I think you were speculating, even back then, that, like, that's a total front. Like, he's got some sort of deal. Yeah. And now, fast-forward, I guess, two years after that to last summer. Right. There's no way. Yeah, you know, that was a CIA job. Right. collaborating with Chapo's kids. Finally, the tables turned on the old man, 'cause he's been feeding them people for years. You know, he fed them the Beltran Levas. Chapo did, too. He fed them Chapo. He fed them Chapo's. Some of Chapo's kids. Then he also helped the kids out. That guy is, like, a spy. Hmm. When you look at. If you dig into the weeds of how he operated, it's, like, espionage. It's fucking fascinating. But, yeah, you know, giving up members of the Juarez cartel, this all goes back, and it's documented. There's no way that guy's staying out of prison that long without, you know, handing people over. What do you think happened there to finally turn in on him like it did? Well, his. His kids, finally, you know, they're the reason that Chapo's withering away in a fucking, you know, hellhole in Colorado. So I think that's part of it. I think maybe they saw their opportunity, you know, but those families are very, there's a lot of intermarriage there. There's a lot of, because we found out that they're still selling drugs. All the killing that's happening in Sinaloa, the war, it's a war of attrition. They're just pissed off. It's, their organizations are still operating and moving drugs through their separate drug routes. So this is just over, like, beef. And so, you know, I can't, beyond that, I'm not sure, but I think it was just the right time. He's getting old, and they saw an opportunity. And probably they had, and they, when Ovidio, El Raton, they call him, got extradited to the U.S., he was probably, he was saving his own skin. He was like, hey, I think we can get you out of here. We can get you, Mayo. Beat the heat. Get your tickets today at Netflix.com. Slash house. But the government, which begs the question, couldn't the government be like, well, we have, he's our partner, dude. But, you know, but again, these are, I think with the CIA, it's like when there's turnover, like say Mayo's got a handler within the CIA and he retires, the next guy's probably like, fuck this guy. Yeah, he's a Boy Scout, he's younger, or maybe he's got a better asset. You know, maybe Mencho is working with him now. Who knows? But it's, it's not. It's not a conspiracy that goes to the top. It's very, very compartmentalized. So, you know, the agencies have different field operatives, right, who they use and leverage for cover or whatever they need them for. And so the next guy could be like, yeah, no, well, let's take down Mayo. And this is the way, this is what Ed Calderon thinks. This is a catalyst to finally invade Mexico because we know this is going to cause a huge war, huge beef between the factions of the cartel. The Sinaloa cartel. And this is going to implode them and cause Mexico to go up in flames. And yeah. But they, hold on a minute. That's interesting because they also did this. This was, I believe, July 2024. So they did this before, like Trump's reelected or whatever. And he has a chance to declare them terrorist organizations. But you think that might have been a bipartisan type thing? That's what Ed thinks. I think it's, it's, it's, look, it's only good for them when the cartels are at war because that means they can fund their own, you know, counterintelligence services. Ed thinks the war on drugs is over. He thinks it's a war on terror now. And the war on terror just means bigger budgets for, you know, everything that goes into that, drone equipment, missiles. Eric Prince. Right. Yeah, exactly. Eric Prince is fucking loving this shit. He's getting paid, dude. So, you know, these are all the war pigs that Fiat Money services. They don't offer anything on the free market. Like, you know, Eric Prince says he does. But it's still funded by the government. All of it? For sure. Probably not all of it. Who else is, who else is giving Blackwater, who else is giving Blackwater money? Well, at the time, yeah, yeah. Back then I would have said that's probably fair. You know, so, I mean, there might be warlords and shit. But that's like peanuts compared to the money we can just print from the Pentagon budget. So, yeah, that guy, I mean, he thought I liked Mark Leisha. Wait till I give you my opinion on Eric Prince. Am I going to get my head blown off for this opinion? Yeah, seriously. We get drone struck. So, yeah. You had him on your show, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was good enough to come on. We got really good views out of it. So, thanks. You only gave us 40 minutes and it was through Zoom. But, hey, it did well. So, yeah, that's, all it does is just lead to bigger budgets. So, whether that's, whether it was conniving enough for the CIA to be like, yeah, once we cause this war, we know Trump's going to get elected. We kind of already knew by July 24 that he was going to get elected. He just got shot. You know, so, you could see the writings on the wall. And then they were like, yeah, this means we're going to invade, possibly. Like, they do think that way. Sure. They do think like, you know. Yes. Like, they were like, eh. Not out of the realm of possibility. Yeah, you know, they knew 9-11, you know, they knew the Twin Towers were vulnerable. There have been threats. They tried to bomb it in 93. Right, exactly. Came close. Exactly. So, they know these things. Just like Netanyahu was like, yeah, if they invade, this is a perfect excuse. It's a strategy they teach. I can't remember, McGregor's a guy who talks about it the best, but it's a strategy. It's a strategy, Bellion. We get them to invade, it gives us an excuse to cause, you know, conflagration everywhere. Yes. So, there you go. People like a wartime leader, if it's done, you know. Exactly. In a way they can support. Exactly. So, I think that's what led to the undoing. Because it's a zero-sum game. Even when you have the, you know, Mayo had the government in his pocket. It's still, by the end, you lose your usefulness. You have an expiration date. So, he finally, there was no one left to tell on. Yeah. You know, you tell on everybody and it's like, damn, you're the last motherfucker standing. So. Like you said, they're never fully free. No. They may have a lot of land, they may have whatever, but they're going to live their whole life looking over their shoulder. Yeah, and they're imprisoned in their province in Mexico. Do you think El Chapo? Do you think El Chapo was propped up, meaning like he wasn't really what they said, or do you think he legit had that power? People think that he was propped up by Mayo. Really? Because he was flashy, he was arrogant, he was a tiny little guy, super poor, from a fucking, from Baria, Baria Huato, just this tiny little, or Latuna, I think he's from, it's this little town in the hills of Sinaloa, and he was, you know, he's an underdog. He had little man syndrome. So, that's why he was like dating. He was dating novella actors, and what are you doing? You're the most wanted man in the world? Sean Penn, come on in. Let's sit down with Sean Penn, dude. He calls him Sean Penn. Hola, Sean Penn. So, he definitely, and Mayo saw that, and definitely, almost we know from how Mayo acted, he was like, he did not like the flash, and so he was definitely pushing him up as like the face of it. He's Don Corleone to this guy's, you know, regular. He's a regular old good fella. Right, right, exactly. And so, yeah, I mean, the guy, we have him on record, Mayo with his son in a jail in Chicago, and he basically tells his son, you go ahead and do what you got to do. Let him know about Chapo. Get yourself out of there. Yeah. And then when Chapo's kids got kidnapped by Mencho in Puerto Vallarta, they walked into a restaurant. Yeah. Yeah. That's where they were having dinner at, and they just said, come with us. Kidnapped, bro. Mencho, Mayo negotiated to get those kids, to get those kids sent back safe. So, he would give up Chapo, but also help the family out, right? He's a chess player. He's a master chess player. It ran out? Yeah. Yeah, he didn't have anybody left to tell on it. You know, he doesn't know enough about Mencho. You know, he's, the CJN just keeps growing bigger, and, you know. And they just got their shit together, man. Like, when we were, when we interviewed Mayo's bodyguards, we, they didn't. Is this out yet? It's not out, because we didn't get it on camera, because they wouldn't let us. We thought we were, we had a fixer that was going to let us, that brought us to them. A fixer in Cuyacan. This is before, this is 2022. When you say fixer, can you define what that means in Mexico? A fixer is a guy, well, anywhere. It's not just Mexico. He's the local guy that's going to take you to make sure you're safe. Isn't it different in Mexico? In Mexico, though? Who was talking about, it was Ed or maybe Luis was talking about how a fixer, maybe it was Jorge. I don't remember. Someone was telling me, like, a fixer could be, it's like someone who's not a journalist, but they cover, I might be. But that's this guy. He wasn't a journalist. He was the guy that our journalist friend Luis, who we were in Cuyacan with, he was the guy on the ground that Luis was like. Okay. He's going to take us around, show us some shit. There's some guys who we pretty sure are guarding Mayo. And we were confirmed Luis was like, they're definitely guarding Mayo because they were the ones sitting around with nothing to do. Because the ones closest to him are the safest. Because, you know, it's the guys, because these guys got layers of security, just like the military. So it's like, if you're from the Mexican Marines and you get within 20 miles of Mayo, his first sentries are going to, the Marines are coming. And then they go by, you get 10 miles close to him, the Marines are coming. And then they're like, get him out. Get him out of there. So that when you're closest to the boss, you're the safest because you got to get through so many security people before you get to them. So these young kids, like 20s, bro, this one kid has braces and a fucking AK. You're like, this is wild. Braces. Brackets. They call them in Spanish. Oh, que lindo brackets tienes. And he gave me a rosario. I should have worn it. He gave me a rosary. Like, they're nice people, but it's, we're in cartel country. Like, these are tiny little villages. People driving around. I'm fucking, you know, three wheelers and shit. Yeah, bro. We are deep in the fucking hills of Mexico. no government around what's your playlist when you go in there jam a little metallic like a little bad bunny dude yeah like a little bad bunny i put on some j-lo i'm like you guys are spanish do you like j-lo they're like what the we should kill you we like a little malacone home um so uh my point is we were we were with these kids and they were kids they were in their 20s and uh what was i telling you what was the point of that story you were going deep and they kept on so we couldn't we couldn't um they didn't our fixer brought us to them and they wouldn't let you on camera yeah they were like we'll talk to you bro but we can't or we can't you can't film us we're guarding the most wanted longest living longest free drug lord in the world did did you record them no because bro like like with like just vocally no uh-uh they were like you can film around us but you can't film our faces we're not going to talk and they're not going to vocalize anything uh-uh no and and when was this again uh november of 22 and in november and january of 23 is when they did the big raid and got uh so um yeah i don't remember the point i don't remember you were talking about like going in deep there and how he was so separated from society essentially like he was he had an army that was surrounded by an army that separated though like that's that's what's wild is like you think you think these guys are in like some glass palace they're living like bin laden they're living a little better than bin laden they're living on a ranch and they're in communication with two or three people one guy's an accountant the other is his lawyer and those are the guys that are going out to make deals with the government or make deals with the local mayor of this town because they're opening up a drug route and they're like look we're moving a lot of migrants through this area and they're like look we're moving a lot of migrants through this area you know bodies are going to start dropping so we need you to play ball here's this is your cut every month you work for us now like it's it's very sophisticated but also very country like it's not very elegant i would say you're not like when you're doing this though because you're literally going right near the top guy like allegedly the most wanted guy in the world you're not like a little scared i know you got a fixer in there i know you got some security but like i was i was scared i was uneasy let's put it that way i was uneasy i was uneasy and and the cdlo in spanish is fucking crazy it's so ghetto it's so fucking country it's like it would be like a if somebody who spoke who learned english as a second language in britain really proper english went to the bayous of mississippi and tried to understand what those motherfuckers are saying like it's deep and now i i know mexican spanish better now so uh i could get by a little better but that always makes me uneasy you're at their mercy you're at their mercy you're at their mercy yes anytime i'm at someone's mercy i get a little uneasy you know yeah it's the same way when i'm on a flight i'm a little uneasy because i i have no control so um but look those guys don't they're chilling they don't want they don't want you dead you seem like there's a piece of you though that lives for that a little bit that action that touching that touching the fucking coffee long enough before it's hot just to know what it feels like yes yeah i just like to come just open a vein just a little bit what's that feel like yeah it is it is it is pretty fucking i am going to miss that if i stop doing this show that's why yeah i want to incorporate that into moving on like i don't want to stop talking about cartels and i want to do topical shit because people are interested in this i don't need to talk to italian mob guys from the 80s anymore but like this shit is like ever evolving i'm gonna hook you up with a few ah no i'm good i've talked i i don't need to i don't want to i don't want to feel the wrath of uh john shay yeah dude but that's isn't that wild like how deep the politics of mexican cartel they're their own government man they're politicians dude i'm a dude in a podcast studio i can't even fathom it i've never been i don't you know like i live vicariously through some secondhand content i get from guys like you who actually understand what's going on but that is far from try to try to you know i've got a better understanding but i mean it's very deep and it gets you you pull back the layers little by little but you know if uh if i can keep doing these stories though if i can keep getting on like that kid who we interviewed what time when does this come out probably like three weeks or so all right it might be out on our channel we are going to release this video in spanish of this interview i did with this kid he was 17 years old when he you know saw a recruitment video uh from the jalisco new generation cartel he went and joined up with them they take him to this he's forced to kill people blow people away like he said these government guns were so big he blew a guy's head off in training so you imagine when it's done to this guy's brain already right yeah he he's driving he's he's in a cartel tank fighting shooting at the mayos the the sinaloa cartel in zacatecas he's witnessing um and he's like 16 when he's doing yeah it's now he's i know i think he's like 17 or 18 uh i can't remember when he's doing that yeah this was a couple years ago still um a kid yeah and so he's lucky he got out alive he was cool with his commander and he was like i just this isn't for me his commander yeah yeah of course they have commanders bro this is a military we're talking about um oh this is my point the reason that this is a good way to bring it home the reason that jalisco the jalisco new generation like they're doing when we're with these sinaloan guys they're all sniffing coke they're all smoking weed they're all just non-stop takate takate lights that's what they drink down there jalisco all business bro all business they're testing your the the dna under your fingernails to make sure there's no drugs in your system and that's why they're gonna last longer than people think they're really they're gonna be around a while you know but that kind of discipline that kind of money behind them and that kind of ability to adapt to like now we're gonna blend in a little more like there are certain places where we're gonna make war but we're in the cities now you are we are going to work for the people you know they built we are in this little town by the ranch we went to all the roads paved by them the dirt roads in mexico where the world cup is coming yeah and people were living with dirt roads because the government wouldn't do anything they're like no we got you bro yeah do you think 20 years from now we're going to be sitting here possibly in a world where the cartels have 50 of the power they have now um that's a good question yeah i think that's about right i think that's about 50 so they've lost about half their power yeah yeah i do what makes you say that uh 20 years okay so this is my prediction this is fun this is just going to be you know take it for what what it is i think i think america in 20 years will finally have to face a sovereign debt crisis and so just our standard of living will be rocked by it people that are sitting on cash will lose big time so i think a lot of people are going to move to mexico so anytime gringos move to mexico that that means that they have to shape up safety measures exactly exactly so you see it everywhere now at tijuana is the best example like cartels can't operate they can't operate they can't operate they can't operate they can't operate like they did even in 2008 so i think that's going to happen and i think a ton of foreign investment there's so much upside in mexico so much underdevelopment that people can get in on right it's like the fucking early 70s in new york city imagine that like it looked like shit the city was almost bankrupt it was run down 70s but but forward-thinking people trump that's how he made his fortune right was buying buildings up like that so i think more and more you know chinese investment is going to be huge that was the last thing i wanted to ask you about too the chinese thing how because you said this earlier and this is sticking my head you said a lot of people that i may have had on here talking about this outside of ed calderon they may not know what he knows or be on that level i hear a lot of people including people that aren't covering the cartels but maybe come at it from the special forces angle or personal experience they talk about the funnel of china through mexico how real is that like i mean it seems real to me but you know well well outside of the fentanyl precursors of their shipping there because you can talk about that too i mean that seems real as fuck outwardly china says they're cracking down on it china says they're cracking down so we can't believe them obviously right you can't even really believe the mexican government but fuck all that who cares about fentanyl drugs are like a sliver of the money that's out there bro i'm talking about the fucking the land bridge that they're that's going to be like way bigger than the panama canal it's going to run through the pacific side of mexico i think it's oaxaca you could look this up or chiapa state one of the states towards the very bottom and it's going to connect the pacific side through vera cruz i think which is the caribbean side what is this being built by china um well they're definitely good money behind it for sure what is it called it's called it's a really shitty name they got to make the name cooler pacific mexico just just say the port they're going to build between Thank you. I can't remember what it's called. Basically, Mexico's Panama Canal. You can just call it that. Mexico's Panama Canal. It's a real shit name. They've got to make it better. There we go. Mexico's developing a new trade route called the Isthmus of Tehuatepec Introsianic Corridor that aims to compete with the Panama Canal. So it's going to connect the Pacific side of Mexico to the Caribbean. 186-mile route. Yeah, and it's going to be, dude, think about how much time ships are going to be able to save. They don't have to go down to Panama. They can go through Mexico. That is going to fucking catapult them, and it might take a while. They've got a lot of shit they've got to clean up, but they're going to build it eventually. So in 20 years, that could be built, and it's going to make Mexico one of the most powerful countries in the world, I think, with all that money. So is the implication there that outside investment with stuff that's going to be built is going to make Mexico one of the most powerful So is the implication there that outside investment with stuff like China won't be as necessary when they can be self-sustainable? Well, it depends on how much money is behind that, though, because there's a lot of people that are going to be chomping at the bit trying to invest in that. China's already doing that in Lima, Peru. Look this up. The Chinese already have money in this huge port in Lima. Lima is going to come up, dude. Like the global south, I do believe in it. Lima's fucking huge. Lima's huge. It's like 11 million people that live there. Yeah, yeah. Have you been? I landed. I landed there. I went to the Amazon when Paul Rosely decided to go through there, and I was looking it up when I got there. I'm like, what the fuck? It's huge. Yeah, so imagine that port, $1.3 billion, the Changkai port. 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