Johnny Manziel & Ja'Marr Chase Talk Fantasy Rants, NFL Regrets & Drake

Playing fantasy football for the first time in my entire life. I had to take you with my first pick. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, man. When you were drafted, was there a team you didn't want to play for? Yeah, Justin, don't make me call my phone, bro. We'll just have them on the pod and then that'll fix everything. What's up, everybody? We're back with Chase and no one. I'm here with my special co-host, Annie Agar. So, Jamar, what's your week been like this past? This past since we last saw each other. We could go. Yeah, it's been going pretty well overall. We got a nice win, week one, so that's beautiful to do. My play wasn't up to part. I felt pretty good. I performed overall, wish I had a little more to put out there for the team, but overall, I'm happy we got the win. That's all that matters, from the day to day. Yeah, what's the energy like in the locker room? That's gotta be great. I mean, it's like we talked about last episode. It's known the bangles, the slow start, all that talk, but a week one win. Now, many teams get one of those, so locker rooms gotta feel pretty good. Honestly, the defense looks amazing. Oh, yeah. Defense looks amazing. Like, I can't even say how excited I am for that defense. Like, man, I'm just happy that we look that good, man. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's only beginning of the season, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot more chemistry for those guys to build. And I just can't wait for it to see. We'll get more into that game too, but there was a status on Twitter. Joe Burrow was the most protected quarterback. So we talked a lot about defense this week. Oh, really? That man didn't get touched this week, so whatever the whole line is doing too, it's pretty good. The whole line did do pretty good. I said they're doing the game, yeah. Doing their job. Well, there's a few news stories I want to talk to you about first before we get into your game. Justin Jefferson was on a pod this week with Taylor Rooks. And he mentioned both of you guys' relationships. And he said it's a love-hate relationship because you guys are so competitive. And obviously there's the history you have together. I just want your thoughts on that or what your opinion is, do you feel like that love-hate relationship with them? I don't need me. I don't need me to hear what he's saying from being honest. Yeah. I think I have a quote here. He said it's definitely a love-hate relationship, but it has to be just because of how competitive we are and how much the sport really means to us. We don't ever like to be number two. No one ever likes to be number two. Amen. Amen, brother. He's our lion, though. When he's saying love-hate relationship, he's like pretty much we're out doing each other. You know what I'm saying? So he's know I'm pretty pissed about my week one performance at the end of the day. He know I'm pissed about it. And you know, I'm not competing with him, but he know that's just how we compete as a whole. Especially at least you as hard it was. I agree, though, man. It's just always been a thing. You can ask my parents when they was in here and I seen him score. I was in here cheering, like screaming. My kid was sleeping. I woke my kid up. So I was in here. I actually excited. So it just goes to show you, though. You know, there's definitely a love-hate relationship, man. But you know, at the end of the day, I'm always happy. And you know what I'm saying? And congratulate him and proud of what he's accomplished throughout his whole career and what he got going on. So I know he do the same for me. So it just, as I asked Lee, man, you know, by definitely don't want to be in second. So you got to win in mindset. We'll just have him on the pot and then fix everything. Yeah, Justin. Don't make me call that phone, bro. I'm very curious what you experience from around. Do you see or do you hear about what else happened around Malik? Because obviously you guys are a little busy playing your own game, week one. Honestly, I didn't hear nothing. If I be honest, I got home to actually watch some game for a little bit. Really? Watch the Vikings game. Oh, that was it. Don't watch that. Watch that game. What are your Green Bay fans? Yeah. I know. I'm so sorry. So what do you think about your Green Bay? Oh, my jamar. That was awful. That was miserable. I put a video out. It has four. This is people love it when I'm in misery. I had this four million views. So thanks guys for that. Because I was, it was brutal by to losing them to that team was just terrible. So what do you think they miss and what spark are you missing? A coach had coach that can actually call a good place. But the issue is we're very conservative, we're a very conservative team. And the playoff loss that we had last year, it's the exact same thing. And I'm not going to talk like I'm an expert. I mean, you probably could break down our offense way better than I can. But it was terrible. He just, he coaches so scared and I'm just so frustrated. Like Jordan Love is insane, played a great game when we actually let him throw the ball, but he'll just run our backup, running back up the middle every time and it's so frustrating. And from what I've heard from the fan base, they kind of feel the same way. So that's beside the point, we should never lost that game, stupid. How will we talk about? Up to at one point, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. We blew 29 unanswered points, the Viking scored. Yeah, I'm like, yo, when I turned a game on, I think I know I wasn't tripping. When I turned the game on, the Vikings were losing for a little bit. Yep. Oh, yeah. Chicago, my other favorite team, well, the two big teams, I don't know if you saw either of those. The Vikings looked unbeatable. Chicago put up 50 from whatever points, 59, whatever, I don't even care. Put up a ton of points. Yeah. Baltimore put up 40. Yeah. I've seen that. That's crazy. Do you think it's just a week one thing? Because this is, this is my question, but everybody is putting up, like offense looked insane this week. But people are saying, too, a lot of these guys don't play in pre-season. So defense is might just take a second longer to remember how to play together. And pick up the slack there, do you think that's a thing? That could be something. That's so crazy that, you know, that is a narrative in NFL, that don't play pre-season games and it's like you slack in because you don't play pre-season games. That couldn't be a thing, I think, it's just starting off pretty fast, you could start off pretty fast. Also, defense, like you said, in tackling, they've got to get used to hitting each other again, tackling and stuff like that. And honestly, never know if it's like Rookie's messing up, you know what I'm saying? It could be just one person messing up and just getting killed on like the same play every time and he just picking on them. So you just got to look at it, how it is. Yeah. And that happens to these rookies. I don't even, I can't even imagine what that feeling is like, but you're just jumping in. Like, we talked about that with T or if you're welcome to the NFL moment, you know what? That's gotta be a fun time. Rams 49ers was the other game that Bray's talking about because for probably the worst start the Rams could ever have. I'm so sorry. L.A. I was probably the most watched game. Oh, yeah. Oh, like week one brutal and now Miles Garrett is gonna be out for a couple of weeks, Aaron Donalds. I'm ready to play. Wait, wait, what? Yeah. Did you hear what you didn't hear this? You did not stop it. What? Stop it. I'm so serious. I'm so serious. No way. She's out like four weeks at least a month. He's getting surgery, but it's not, it's on his knee. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. This just came out. People cannot believe it. This just happened. Yep. A couple days ago. Yeah. Hey, he, he going against, uh, was it Trent Williams? Yeah. That battle wreck. Yeah. That's, that's, that's literally the best against the best. Yeah. It don't get no better than those two reps right there. Like, it doesn't, it, you could see it to, uh, I'm just surprised to hear that. I didn't know that happened. But if he wasn't 100%, I don't understand why you don't, why you fly him all the way to Australia. Have him go up again. So you said Trent Williams and then have him come back and get surgery. The Rams are just struggling right now. Um, so wait, hold on because you tell him he's something that I really don't know right now. You tell him he wasn't 100% when he played the game. I, I guess not. I mean, he was having some knee issue because he was, he was taking an easy and some training or, uh, during preseason or during training camp, I think, but he was fine. I mean, enough to play, obviously. And then this just came out of nowhere. They put on grass a turf out there in Australia. Do they really? Oh no. You're asking me if they put, uh, it was grass, wasn't it? I think it was grass. Grass? I think so. But man, I just don't, I didn't expect that at all. So now I'm raised like, oh, Aaron Donald's not going to be happy. He might re-retire. Retire again. Um, but the re-retire, that's funny. What I wanted to ask you about is the travel. Did you see their travel schedule? So the 49ers went out a weekend advance, Rams went out 24 hours in advance. Yeah. Um, looked a little jet lagged, I'm not gonna, not gonna lie. I, I hope we don't go 24 hours in it. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that they should have let them go out there. Get comfortable. Yeah. I don't worry about the time zones, adjusting, not saying that it is a lot, but, you know, I'm saying it's a one in the lifetime opportunity. Let us go out there for a couple of days, enjoy the, enjoy the breeze, the moment. Well, I was still prepping for the game and I add into the day, I think that's, that's how it should be handled. I don't think everybody will handle like that, but I think that's how it should be handled for us. That's what I think McVeigh said. He was talking with, um, the jacks because they're, we talked about that, they're out and, London all the time and, uh, I forgot what coach said, they, the guys got tired. Like they were, they were over London by the time they played their game because they'd been there for a week, but you're practicing, you're, you're just getting acclimated. Like, yeah, you might be sick of the city, but you could be that, that way with any city, you know, you're, at least you're on the same time. Yeah. Yeah. You, you got to look at it like this. You got, you got to bring something out there that's going to, you got to bring like a little game boy to play the game, your game system, you got to find something out there to do like throughout the day because you walking around on your feet every day, shopping and going out to eat. That's fine and all, but you not. There for that, you know what I'm saying is this is more of a and then you gotta think about your treatment throughout the week on how you usually take care of your body and recover. You don't really do that when you are out of the out of the country for a whole week. You know what I'm saying and I don't know. Not everybody thinking like that, but they should they should start thinking about how they should process and what they're going to be doing while they're there. That's a great point. It's still your it's your job. You might think it's, you know, free travel, but you can do that on the I mean, the only good two days, you know, you probably get one day, the whole time while you're there, that's an actual free day to look around sightseeing and be a tourist for a moment. But other than that, you're not, you're not really having that much time to go do all that fun stuff. So for your guys' game, do you have a plan like are you just going to stick to your routine that you do at home and do that, obviously internationally? Well, I, I don't know what our plan is, but I, I, I'm going to have a plan for myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's talk about your game for soft congratulations on the win. I, it's wild for me to watch you guys now because I have so much stake in, in you playing well in the bangles playing well that I didn't before. So it stresses me out. No, it was a great, great win though. What were your thoughts? Overall thoughts on the win first off? Honestly, I think, I think the offense should have came out a little bit better. I think we should have came out a little bit better, but overall I think the, the defense is our backbone right now. Yeah. I'm saying it's still early in the season. We got a very prolific offense and you never know when that's going to be a flip switch. So I feel like yo, if we can get this unit together as one whole plan and sink will be unstoppable and that's, and that's the biggest thing right now. And I'm not saying we starting off slow, but we need to have that, that smoother start off, that smoother pace, getting everybody into the game and going. Somebody had tweeted out, they said, you know, the bangles offense really needs to carry their weight because they haven't in a while. Like all how the tables have turned because that's not been the case. And it was very much joke. Was there, was there a veteran feel from the defense that you, I mean, you guys haven't had that for quite a while? Um, honestly, you know what I, I, you know, the D line is incredible. Yeah. Like I don't, it's the, like, let me tell you, it's the D line going so like they're, the D line must be so good toward the linebackers flying around like the linebackers are literally flying around, right, which makes them look like they're playing a lot faster and recognizing a lot more stuff that they didn't see last year because they are, they are still rookies, they are still rookies. You gotta remember that too. So they've been playing a lot faster. I like that. The D line has been stepping up, putting pressure, collapsing on the pocket and I'm backing on how guys, I'm backing guys is coming together too, man. I can't, I can't wait to see how they're going to do with what our young guy, Bobo, see how he plays out. He almost had a pick. Yeah. Damn, there's six four, like he, damn, they're the same high as T. That's crazy. And I remember seeing him make plays and practice and he jumping and his feet was in the air, like, damn, there are over people's head. Yeah. I can't wait to see how he's going to be when he gets better, but overall, man, our defense is coming together and it's going to be a fun season. I can see it. I was going to be a very fun season. I love that. Do you want to talk about your performance at all because I mean, there's a lot of ways that double team no longer knew, yeah? Because I mean, obviously we expected we're excited a lot for what you're going to bring to the season, but it's week one. And what, what was the situation? Did they double team you a lot? Because I think a couple times I saw that's what was, that's what was going down. It was a little bit of double teams went to many double teams. It was like, like three buzz, three week, they were really just getting under everything I ran. Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying. And it was really more of an inside the numbers type of game. I had opportunities to score and make plays, but I didn't, I just, you know, didn't get the opportunity to give my, get the ball my waist, but you know, that happens sometime. Besides that, all the other fantasy people, the fantasy draft people in my DMs or in my comments, letting me have it about what's going on and how I should be playing and stuff, you know, other than that, man, it's pretty unusual, you know, pretty unusual. Yeah. It's pretty unusual. That's, that's fantasy for you. You know, you, you can never win. I get so ridiculous. It's going to be all right. I mean, this week one, I ain't, you got to be a team player today, you know, it's about winning. All right, moving on to week two, which this is great for you guys. You could be 2-0 for the first time I think since 2015. That's massive to have a two, a two week streak, this early in the season, but you guys play with Texans, who had this highly talented defense, which the bill is just annihilated and I don't know if that was, again, week one situation. It's kind of an anomaly or I don't know what's going on with Texans, but what are your thoughts on this, this week two game? They definitely have a very great defense to say that, you know, they had coach's defense first. So it's going to be a great game overall. We just got to take an opportunity to make the most of them. You know, I'm saying they got a great defense, great DB, great secondary vote corners, you know, I'm saying good safety, they cool, I'm not sure about their front. I know shot and rank is over there. He played with us at one point, so I know he's, he's pretty good. So, you know, I'm saying those guys up there, I'm pretty sure they got some nice, they don't they have a, yeah, what's that, what's his name, the D and they have, oh dad, he still love it or, they know hundreds not there no more, yeah, he's still there. Yeah, he's there. Yeah, and William Anderson, William Anderson, yeah, yeah, thank you, well Anderson, he's at the probe, so I know he's, I know he's pretty fine, I forgot the no hundreds over there. So, yeah, you know, they say that will Anderson, junior looks like LeBron's kid, like everybody thinks he's one of long lost LeBron's, that's, that's, that's not even close. I'm too deep on social media, this is I mean, that's a very unuseable information. Do you watch a lot of games on Saturday before the games on Saturday? Oh, not really. It's pretty hard to. Yeah. Also, we played a one o'clock game, so yeah, wait a second, wait a second, we had to talk about this because you had something you said this week that got taken and people ran with it. Do you not like 1 p.m. games or are you just, so for context, you said you didn't realize it was 1 p.m. game and you didn't love that. games? Well, I mean, I don't like 1 p.m. games if I'm be honest, you know, it's, I don't like playing that one o'clock. I like playing at eight o'clock, you know what I'm saying? I like my games is more through, it's more exciting, but I mean, I'm one of those people that's like, all right, you know, just tell me where I got to be, where I got to go. Yeah, I'm showing up, you know what I'm saying, I'm doing time because you don't, I'm morning person or you just don't. Well, yeah, I'm not a morning person, but it's honestly, that's probably helping me to be a morning person. I know that all these 1 o'clock games, so I mean, it was fun, I wasn't tired of it in the game. If it's early, then you get it done and out of the way, you don't, you wouldn't, you'd rather wait till the end of the day to play. I just like the energy that we have in night games than day games, you know, a lot of times that day games be really, really hot and not that it matters being hot because I like the sun. You know, I'm saying it from the ones that's all we did was play the sun, but I like night games better. That makes sense. That makes sense. That energy would be very different. I've even noticed that just as a fan, Texas and Ohio State was the big game this weekend. Ohio State missed a field goal, which they have a habit of doing, and they lost and our Texas is in their own spot. And it was a crazy game, like create 20 point, blown lead, come back and saying, um, did you, but did you watch any of it or did you just see? I think I seen like a couple plays from that game, actually, I actually watched a little bit of that. I didn't really had that much time too, but I think it's a couple plays, but the big talk is archmaning. So in terms of, and we'll tie this back into how you were when you were drafted and with their teams, you didn't want to get drafted too, because there's some speculation his family might have a say in it. Um, Yeah, I mean, isn't that what paid men and then we didn't, uh-huh, yeah, and it didn't Eli too, because Eli didn't want to go to, um, Eli didn't want to go to the terms. He didn't have a choice. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some weird stuff going out in the man. But um, if it fits, if it fits perfect for many, you know, it fits perfect. I'm pretty sure one of them was close enough of one championship, right? Oh, yeah, pretty sure. I think they did pretty well. So it all worked out, right? It all worked out. It didn't. No, they might actually know the way when you were drafted. Was there a team you didn't want to play for the kid? Can you say that? Like, was there, if you saw that name pop up draft night, were you going to be like, oh, man? Oh, yeah, it was a team. It was a team. Well, listen, it wasn't a team. It was a location. Yeah. Thank you. It was the location in the area. Yep. I couldn't do that when I was too young. That young, too much fun, too much eye candy, too much. Yeah. Even veteran guy say that because they don't want to move their family, you know, to a, but like, like, staff are going from Detroit to L.A. is a big change for a family. I'm granted that's brilliant. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Like, it's not so much the team. which is the most important thing. a place you wouldn't want to be located in. - Yeah, I'd rather be, I'd rather be in more of a town like Sansi, not Sansi, not a great place to be, but I'd rather be somewhere where it's like, not too much going on, you know, not party life, lifestyle, like Miami, LA, like you're saying, you know, places like that. - Yeah, that's, I mean, that's a huge factor. It's your, yeah, you can leave in the off season, but during the season, I mean, it's your, and in practice and all that, that's your main hub, that's your location. - I mean, honestly, you wouldn't wanna leave. - Yeah, that's true. - Like, you would never wanna leave. Like, if I was to play if I LA in Miami, I would work out there like the whole time. - Yeah. - It don't make sense to leave. - That's why I'm interested to see these guys coming into the league, 'cause it's not like they have a say, really. But. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Did you win, Cincinnati? I mean, are you happy where you? - Honestly, I was just happy to be, freaking trapped. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, I was more in the moment of just being in there. Like, I didn't care about where I was going for real. I was just happy about me taking it, taking it all in and selling it all up, out of the whole process. - Yeah. I was, I did some with Cave on Tibido a couple years ago, and I asked him the same question, and I said, 'cause there was some speculation he was gonna go to Detroit, you know, New York, all that. And I said, was there a location, same kind of thing, and he said Detroit, he would not. He said if that popped up, he'd be, I mean, he'd be happy to be drafted, but he was so not looking forward to Detroit. - Yeah. - Well, that's, that's how the majority of people feel about that city. It's great city now though, great food. - Okay, our demanding, like we just were talking about, do you think, in your personal opinion, that his family would try to prevent him, or he would try to prevent himself from being drafted somewhere, 'cause we've got some, we got some more off-looking teams in the NFL this year, guys. - I'm gonna be honest, if I'm him, and I'm the quarterback, I would probably listen to those guys. - Yeah. - I would probably listen to those guys, they know the way, they're hall of famous. - Yeah. - You know what I'm saying? Like, they, they're the best in the world at this state. They know the in and out to this stuff. There's loopholes to this situation. I'm pretty sure they know if they don't, they're trying to help him learn them at the end of the day. So, I mean, it's all on how he's taking it to, but I think he just has the way his options at the end. - Yeah, that's a good point. And he's got, like you said, a great circle. That's probably huge too, right? To have a great team around you, or a support crew when you're getting drafted and all that. - Yeah. - It's like the biggest part. - Yeah, I mean, like, that was the, that's also so big for him coming out of college too, you gotta think about that. Like, they already know NFL scouts, NFL teams. - Yeah. - Which is, you never know what's going on. And I see that they're doing it, but, you know, it's easy access for him. - Right. On the other side of that, Ohio State, which is a little bit closer probably to your side of things because it's Jeremiah Smith who has compared himself to you, compared himself to, you know, Calvin Johnson, all these great wide receivers in the league. Do you watch much of him when he plays? I mean, do you see-- - I say he had a crazy catch, he scored on. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, so-- - Dude, insane. Do you see yourself in him at all, or do you see him and you? - You know, my dad just said this to me the other day, but I don't know, man, I just, everybody's different in our own way. I mean, we all taking each other's tendencies and making them my own and adding to us. That's how we grew up and watching our favorite idols and stuff like that. So I mean, if he is, then I would probably want to, you know, as long as he plays comfortable, have fun. Enjoy it, man. You gotta, that's NFL's not for long. So just enjoy the process. Enjoy college when the highest, man. - Who is-- - That should be a big goal. - Who is that for you? You're like a wide receiver that you looked up to the most. Growing up, I was big on Des Bryant. - Yeah. - So it was pretty strange for me because I played running back and then moved to receiver in eighth grade. So like, I was big on Pierre Thomas that played for the Saints. I always wore 23. - Okay. - And then once I moved to receiver, that's when I started wearing number one. - Yeah. Where did that come from? Number one, is it just, there was no? - Well, my favorite number was 10 and they didn't have 10 at the time. The quarterback took it. So I took one. That is a very quarterback number, 10, I feel like. (laughing) Okay, I would do you want to talk about LSU for a second, just because Ohio State is now wide receiver you. Like everybody knows, they pump out wide receivers in that school, but back in the point. - Don't get me started. - I was gonna say, okay, is LSU still wide receiver you because it was for a little bit? - Why, why are we not right now? Because we don't have a Jeremy Smith? - No, well, yeah. (laughing) I just look at this, that's the last day had it in the week. There's no bias there at all, I'm sure. Okay, LSU plays Ole Miss this week, transitioning a little bit to this week. It's a big game because obviously of all the history there, and just they were talking about the pressure on Lane Kiffin and he had a presser and he came out and said, "Oh, no, the pressure's not on me." You know, this is on Ole Miss because of the amazing team that they have, yeah, the amazing team that he recruited beside the point. Is that kind of like a little brother now, like an Ole Miss LSU rivalry to think or is it just 'cause of the whole Lane Kiffin thing? - I think it's always been something over there beyond 'cause I think Lane Kiffin now is just making it the thing also, especially since he was there. And I mean, he's definitely know how to talk a little trash and add some fire to the fuel, add some fuel to the fire. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. - So he definitely now sparks it up a little bit. - Do you, what do you think about that, that all that trash talk do you like it or just keep it from you? - I love it. - I love it. - Why does that not surprise me? I love that. - I mean Coach, Ole would do it a little bit, you know what I'm saying, but you know, I love it. You want that from your head coach. I mean, not too much cockiness, but you know, a little trash talk. I mean, he has confidence in his guys and what they could do. - Yeah, we talked about that the other episode. It's kind of changed. Not that LSU didn't have that kind of swag already, but the confidence is just another level right there. Over there right now, I think. - I mean, it's gonna keep growing those guys. They keep winning and it's really gonna keep growing, you know what I'm saying? They have good, they're already gonna start filling themselves and put that swagger in. That's how they're gonna keep going. - Yeah. - I usually go. - What's the last game you were? Did you go back to LSU games at all? - The last game I attended at LSU was a spring game. It was a spring game, but yeah, Joe took me. - Oh, okay. Man, they must have rolled out the red carpet for you guys. - Five were there. We had crawfish this day for sure, Joe asked for crawfish. Anytime you go back to LSU, it's like the first thing he wants is crawfish. - Is it really? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, from a specific place or just any? - I'm not sure, like, I'm pretty sure it's a specific place, like Coach O'Gyder from. - Yeah. - But for me, you know, back home, we cook it, so I like mine's in a backyard getting made by itself, not from a store. - Do you cook a lot of, like, Cajun food? Can you cook? - Me, can I cook? - Yeah. But I cannot cook besides scrambled eggs, macaroni, some pancakes. (laughing) - That's pretty good. - That's pretty plain, though. - Yeah, well, you can. - It's gonna last me until, like, two o'clock, like, right now. - Well, I like these college games. Like you said, it's fun. College is fun because the rivalries are so intense. Do you feel that intensity in the NFL too, or do you think that was more so in college? - Yes. - Yeah. - It's, but it's different, it's different, right? Like, I don't know, in college. - In college, it's like, it's such an, it's ingrained in people. - It's a good question. - But like, this is such a good question because it's so different from NFL in college. - Yeah. - Right? Like, college is more like, like, years in advance. - Yeah. - Same thing with the NFL rivalries. But like, sometimes, it would be like, like, when I was there, it was Texas A&M. - Mm-hmm. - Right? And, but everybody know Alabama's the big thing, right? - Yeah. - Before us, it was Texas A&M in Texas. - Yeah. - Those are the guys that was talking about most trash during the season. So it's really more, like, who talks the most trash for real, you know what I'm saying? - Okay, that's funny. That's very interesting, yeah. 'Cause we don't see that side. That's all, you know, you guys hear all that on the field. That's what I'm saying is the inner circle part. - Yeah. - The inner circle part. - Yeah, that's wild. - Hey, yeah. I think Johnny's on the line. Let's talk to him. - Absolutely. All right, guys, please welcome in our guests this week. Texas A&M legend, freshman, heisman winner, and probably one of the most electric players in college football, the one and only. - Johnny football, Johnny Manziel. - Welcome into the show. Johnny, thanks for hopping on with us today. - Yeah, appreciate you guys. - Of course, we talked a little bit about it before, with Jamar and I, that there's kind of a rivalry with Texas A&M and LSU, is that still true? - I mean, it wasn't much of a rivalry whenever I was in school just 'cause we lost twice, but I would say now, I think just because LSU's a program that doesn't lose a whole lot for us to be able to win, and I think somebody said the past five years or something is a little crazy, but I would say there is a rivalry being, you know, neighboring states, I think, makes it a game that's, you know, super intense. - Yeah, Jamar, wait, Jamar, wasn't it the first, one of your freshman year? Was that seven overtime game? - Yeah, that was the first one. - Yeah, that was crazy. Yeah, it was like seven years. - Yeah, I get it, that was nuts. - She. - I mean, obviously your first experience being in Kyle Field too, you know, for you, seeing that and having to have a game like that was probably pretty crazy for you. - Honestly, the environment was incredible. It was incredible. I never knew it was really that like that intense massage watching your games other than that, you know, but Man, how you been? How you doing overall? I'm good brother. I'm actually here in Dallas. I'm visiting my nieces for the week. My brother and Lois had it out of town, so I'm helping my sister with the three kids and Just hanging out. Life's good. I've been in Nashville for the last year. So I moved out there. Just kind of been quiet life. Last year was a bit of a crazy one for me going on tour with Drake and stuff. So got a chance this year to just kind of tone it down and Play golf and you know spending some time with the family. So things are good. Yeah, I love that for you. I actually uh, I'm playing playing fantasy football for the first time in my entire life um, and you know, I had to had to take Had to take you had to take you with my first pick I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry man. I know. You ran a beautiful one step slant on the goal line and Joe went left and I kind of saw you for a second You were like, damn, I really cooked him off the line. I was like, yeah, you guys don't get it going though. I mean, it was I was the game that I watched the most this week watching you guys play against Tampa and I mean a closer game than it really was throughout, you know, Joe kind of threw the pick a little late, but you know, other than that, I think you guys are well old on Offense and you know, what it all comes down to is always going in taking care of your division. So whenever you get into those division games It's really taking care of Baltimore Cleveland and Pittsburgh and getting your back to the playoffs where you want to be. So a week one is is nothing to really stress about, you know, yeah I ain't really complaining about all that. I think the biggest thing was our defense man coming up. Yeah, so that's what we need. They look good. They look good. Johnny, are you more of a college football guy or is it like Saturdays your day? Or do you like watching the pros now? I think I'm more in tune with with Saturdays. I watch more of players on Sunday. So I want to watch and see what Joe and the offense are doing. I want to see. I like watching Baker play. I always watch Mike Evans and then Stafford really. So like I'll have, you know, teams around the league and offenses in certain positions and stuff that I like watching. Just because I enjoy the highest level of football and watching how it's done. Like there's nothing better than watching them execute a two-minute drill at the end of a half time or at the end of a game and really see what it's like having. People on the same page and ball at the highest level, but for me, I'm always kind of watching college football, you know, I like seeing who's going to be next up and college football, the environments, the way that the games are for me or, you know, always a little bit more fun to watch. You're still kind of involved with an M2 right in college and helping these guys in the whole like draft process and all that. Like Casey Concepts, you own pretty cool an M guy. Browns, the same trajectory. I go back and, you know, a couple of times a year, you know, me and Marcel Reed have a good relationship. I've been able to find kids throughout the last couple of years that, you know, I'm able to sit down and talk to, you know, last year, Pavia was a guy that, you know, I was really close to and, you know, just trying to keep his head in a good spot. I feel like I have a lot of knowledge to be able to, you know, if the guys are doing something wrong or just kind of be able to nudge guys in the right direction from the mistakes that I made whenever I was in college and in the NFL, and this year, I'm renting a house from a group of people in Nashville, and their son just committed to Mississippi State, so I've been able to go to one of his high school games, I'll probably be able to catch another one before the seasons over and just, you know, talk to him about what NIO money looks like, talk to him about, you know, I had a conversation with him the other day and asked him, you know, what are you going to do? It's a NIO money, and he's like, you know, I'm going to live in the, you know, team dorms for the first year, and then I'm going to go buy a house, and when I'm out of there, I'm going to turn it into a rental property, and I'm like, well, this is exactly what you should be doing, and I'm like, one of my biggest regrets was not buying a house that I lived in in college station when I got to the NFL, and, you know, starting to do that in college station a little bit. So I think there's just, there's a lot of knowledge of things that we didn't always do right whenever we got to the NFL, or maybe spend a little bit too much of, you know, your time in the wrong area in college, you know, that's what all I want for kids and for athletes nowadays is, for them to be able to, you know, if you figure this stuff out at an earlier point in time, how much more successful are you going to be then figuring it out after some years of growing pains and making some mistakes, which are going to happen when you're young anyways. Yeah, man, that's, that's a great point. I wish I could have did some of those things back at LSU and I had the opportunity, but I wish that I had even a mindset to even think like that, you know what I'm saying? I feel like a lot of the times, you don't really get those opportunities, or even a process to even think like that because in college, you just thinking about football NFL, football NFL, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not sure if you, like this is me asking you when you got to the NFL. Or when you left college, when did you think what you had to start thinking about being an adult more and being more like on investment firm, or getting your future plans situated for your family yourself? Like when did you figure out like when was the right time for you to get that? I probably didn't even figure that out until later when I started making money from ways other than playing football and then the NFL, right? Like, you know, I was still very much. Had a young mindset and was still very late, you know, into my later 20s until I started figuring out what to do with my money. How far? I think whenever you're making money in the NFL and it comes fast and it comes from playing a game, it takes maybe somebody being around you kind of grabbing you and being like, Hey, this isn't going to last forever. You don't know if one play or one season or whatever it's going to be is going to take this away from you. You know, my time in the league was quick. And then when I started doing things outside of football, where it's harder to make a dollar and it's harder to do other things, I think you appreciate the money that you make more when it's coming from something different, right? When it's coming from what I do now, which is, you know, traveling around doing speaking engagements, doing appearances, entertainment type of stuff, TV shows, whatever it is, I think I realized my time that I put into things now has given me more of a. Of a mindset and an understanding of, you know, how far a dollar goes and how it is to go out and earn that in a different way than just playing football. But for me at the time when I was in playing football, you know, I think I had the mindset of just being on top of the world and like, man, this is awesome. And I didn't really understand how, you know, how fast money could go to. That's a great question with NAL now. Is it, do you think it's better for these kids to get the money early, like the amount of money that they're getting now earlier so that they learn that how to, how to handle their money or is it creating more of a problem, do you think? I think if you're program that you're in and you're coaching staff and the, you know, school that you're at and so what I've told everybody is, they need to have, you have to sit these guys down for three days or a week and have them come in for a week. For an hour or two, even though they're not going to want to do it, you have to sit them down and force them to do it and force them to understand you can't be leaving college own taxes and not doing things and just going out and blowing money. They have to sit them down and make them understand that, you know, this is a huge blessing in what it is, right. This money, you're not guaranteed to make it to the NFL, but you could leave college and have three, four, five million dollars saved up in a bank account that allows you to go into the real working world in a completely different space. than guys used to in the past, you know, I always look at NIL as much as it is for the top guys, how great it is. It's great for the guy who leaves college with 600,000 in his bank account or a million in his bank account and doesn't leave there with, you know, the walk on or whoever that leaves in maybe student debt or you're coming in behind the eight ball already when you get into the real world. So, you know, it's up to these schools to educate these guys and hopefully, you know, they listen to that and there's going to be people that fall victim to, you know, spending too much and getting in over their head, but really in college and what I was telling this kid the other day is like, you know, you don't need a whole lot. You know, whenever I was in school, they paid for a rent, we got like 900 bucks a month and we found a way to make it work and that's a lot different than what guys are having to do now when you can, you know, come out of high school and be making a million dollars in your freshman year. You know, that's a lot of money and, you know, hopefully it's up to the programs and up to good people around them and good parenting to be able to, you know, make them realize how big of a deal that really is. Okay, question for both of you guys. Currently, what do you think your NIL worth would be if you are playing now and NIL's a thing? What do you think that worth would be? I mean, for me, I think I would probably be making like 8 million plus probably a year. I mean, I was doing a lot of stuff, you know, back then making money just not even legally. So I mean, to be able to do it in the way that they do it now is kind of knowing how it was whenever, you know, whenever I got to the NFL, I think it would be somewhere above that number. And I'm sure Jamal would have a huge number as well. We went to two really big schools with really big fan bases as well, which really, you know, factors into a lot and two schools that are spending on NIL right now. Yeah, I'll probably say I'd have paid like, had like 5 million, you know, saying I wouldn't even have, I wouldn't even probably even ask for that much, you know, saying that that time. But then again, you know, now it's just like free agency and how man in college is so it's so weird, but like they can just pack and go whenever they want to, so it's. I would have left. I would have probably transferred every single year and just got. on to another school, and just, I mean, that's what they incentivize right now. - That's what I'm saying. So like, how would you, how would that be on your mindset then? How would, just imagine yourself now saying that, right? And Johnny football back in the day, let's say you went to Heisman your first year, then the next year, you transfer. - How would you mean? - Yeah, I think for me, it would be like, you know, when you're making that much money, I know your focus isn't really even on school, like you're not even like, you're not grind in the classroom, but the thing that I think would have been interesting and the thing that I liked is I played for two, three different offensive coordinators in my three years at A&M. I did like learning different ball from different coaches. So that would have been something that I did, I would enjoy. And the five years, three years that I was A&M, and the two years that I was in Cleveland, I had five different offensive coordinators, and I enjoyed seeing different coaches, ideas and tactics and everything on ball. I think that would have been something that would have been really interesting, but I mean, I just know, when the Heisman is a freshman, obviously had a ton of love for A&M, but if somebody comes in, they're like, here's $10 million to leave, and you have three years of eligibility left, you take that, you know, go back to the Heisman ceremony, the next year, and they're like, we'll give you 12, well, we're taking that. So I mean, you can walk and leave college with 30 million in your bank, it's insane. - That's what somebody said. You know how guys play the game of like, oh, guess what college, you know, the list off obscure athletes, we're going to have to list off like 10 schools for each athlete, it's crazy. - And I saw a guy, I saw a guy earlier in this eighth year of eligibility, which is another thing that I hope they get figured out. Like I really do hope, they get the NIL stuff figured out to where it's like, I get it a COVID year and everything, but that can't really happen, you know, and I understand guys are wanting to come play, and I was furious this year with the guys going to NFL training camp and being like, oh, we're not going to make our roster, and then we're going back to school. And I don't think it was just LSU, I think it was other schools as well that were looking at it. But listen, if you decide, and when you leave early and you decide to go to the NFL draft, they give you a window, like a two week window to be like, hey, do you want to return back to school and turn your papers in and go back? That's what you get, and that's what it's always been. It's never been, hey, we're gonna go to training camp and then get cut and be like, well, we're going back to college. I mean, that's, it's just insane. So hopefully somebody steps up in the college football landscape to be able to write some of this stuff that's going on and make it a little bit more fair, because I think it's got a little bit skewed into the players' advantage. I don't think they can do that, though. I don't think they're actually able to go back and practice and play or anything. Yeah, they haven't. If I was actually going to go down. Yeah, if I was one of those guys, I would have tried it. I ain't going to lie. I would have tried it. I'm like, knowledge, information is possible, man. Honestly, in a special situation like that. 100%. I got a question about you say, you had three different offensive coordinators, you know what I'm saying? Which offensive coordinator you felt like taught you the most within your game and then expanded your knowledge for the game? Ooh. Yeah, the person I think brought out the most out of my game was Cliff King's Barry, my, you know, my red shirt freshman year, my highs been year. It was a guy that just really understood me, you know, before I was named the starter that year, I mean, during Spring Ball, I was coming out of Spring on the last on the Dept Chart for the most part out of our QBs. And, you know, when that happens and you have a Spring like that and you're super down on yourself and you're kind of unsure of what your future's going to be and it's not looking great. He was a guy that always really, you know, brought the most out of me, believed in me the most and was able to, you know, get me focused to a point where we go through that season and we have a great year like we did one of our best in school history. And then from just a pure ball knowledge, like seeing how detailed and everything the game can really be taught, Kyle Shanahan, my first year in Cleveland, was on a completely different level for any coach that I'd ever been around as far as being able to coach, you know, 11 positions every single one on the offense, you know, from offense guard, tackle, center, tied in, didn't matter, like had an unbelievable knowledge of the game and really coached it in sets of fine, fine, detailed way. I was lucky to be around some great coaches my first year whenever I was in Cleveland. - Yeah, I didn't know he was that much of a wizard like that. I know that. - Yeah, it was just so good with like, you know, from hat placement and hand placement on your guards and your tackles and your centers and what your run blocking scheme is and just the things he preaches in coaches, I think even from receivers running back quarterbacks, it was all really, really impressive to be able to see how much you're going back on film and he's like, where's your hands? Not in the right spot. If you get it here, this play works. And like, this is the reason why this play isn't working. I think it was just, for me, coming from an air raid system in college and then seeing something like that was really, really different. - That's crazy. - Nice. - Do you have a coach like that, Jamar? It's like, changed kind of your trajectory or? - I would say for me, it was Jerry Sullivan and Joe Brady. I don't know if you know any of those guys. Joe Brady's here, coach for Buffalo Bills right now. Jerry Sullivan goes back in the day, yeah. Goes back in the day with Larry Fitzgerald. - Joe Brady is a big dude. By the way, he's like six, what? - He is pretty tall. - Yeah, he is pretty tall. Yeah, he is pretty tall. Now Brady was definitely an offensive mindset. But he came from the sinks when we got him. So, what was my sophomore year in college? He came from the sinks and that's when we got him. And I just remember seeing Michael Tom is running a lot of Lucy routes, bro. And that's when the first year they brought in Lucy route for us. And I just remember him breaking down every bit of the offense, bro, and just helping me learn the offense. I don't think I've learned the offense like that. And it was totally different from my first year, from my sophomore year, just because it was more open. We were throwing a ball more, it wasn't, it wasn't, it was more area instead of pro style. Where his two receivers in their full bag, two tight ends or something like that. So, Brady definitely helped me expand my horizon with football, bro. And Jerry Sullivan did a lot for me on my routes, bro. Just coming off the ball and just stepping a half releases and hand placements and laid hands and body control. And that's all he was there for, and honestly, and you know who else made a big impact on me learning football was burrow, bro. I always gave him credit for teaching me how to watch film. I didn't really know how to watch film when I was in college. And he was the first person to sit me on thoroughly and told me watch what he does, watch this play, and then go back a couple of plays and see what he's doing his next play. So, when I would turn to film, I just look at myself and see what I'm doing wrong or see what I'm doing right and go from there. Just laid hands is something crazy to be able to learn. Whenever you finally learn it, how much better of an offensive weapon it is for you being able to catch balls when you're just not, you know, when you're young and you're running with your hands out and they can, you know, able to swathe it as a DB. You know, we had a guy who's no more Watchaku who would have the best laid hands and he would just be able to get a little lean and then lay hands and be able to catch everything. It's such a weapon compared to what you're used to before before you learn that, especially when you're in college. - I probably said the best receiver that I've seen, like actively do is probably AB Antonio Brown. - Yep. - Like, yeah. - One of the best laid hands ever growing a game. - That's wild, that's wild. Just to hear you guys talk about that 'cause I mean, I watched you guys play and I said, you're pretty high up there, isn't it? And so we want to know a little bit more about you, Johnny, and what you're, what you vote up to, the whole MMA thing is pretty crazy. That just came out of nowhere. And that was a one and done for me. I had a friend that was kind of back in the way to do it. And I remember calling Dana White and being like, can we seriously do this if we're gonna do it in the UFC Apex? And I've been to a lot of fights throughout my life, something I really did my first couple of years whenever I was in the league and enjoyed being around it. And after doing it, it was fun. I don't ever wanna do it again. I'm way more of a, if I'm gonna get in a fight, it's gonna be probably protecting somebody out in the streets. Not something that I really wanna be, really wanna be doing. But it was cool to be able to be in that kind of building and environment and stuff for at least the day. And hey, when you get paid to do it too for a day, it's not a bad thing either. Yeah. What was the probably the toughest, 'cause you play football, we play football, so we know what it's like condition wise, right? So what was like the hardest part of condition and when you're doing like that in the fight? We both agreed, me and Bob, both agreed. We're not gonna do any workouts. We're just gonna come in straight off the couch and we're just gonna see who can whoop who. And that's kinda how it was, you know? I remember getting into the apex, probably two, three hours before the fight was even going on and this trainer came in that my manager Liz found. And he's like, all right, we're gonna start working on somebody. He's like, what's your game plan? I'm like, I'm gonna come out here and I'm gonna kick him. I'm gonna let kick him as many times as I possibly can. And then I'm gonna try and take him down and ground him. He's like, okay, let's work on some leg kicks. And that was the first time I had done really anything, other than sitting in my basement and Nashville, like shadow boxing against the wall. So, you know, it was all pretty funny. And I remember the second that it was over, I was like, I can't wait to get on this party bus and get back out of here and go, oh my God, I'm over this. And I woke up the next day and my top of my foot was so sore, it was like, how you feel on a Monday after a really physical game in the NFL? And I'm like hobbling around the next day. I'm like, this, I saw Justin Gaychi a couple weeks ago. after that and I just like went up to him and doubted him up and I was like you're savage for doing this for real. So what was harder is it getting hit in a game or or getting hit? Getting hit in the football game is like a car crash all over you know? The you know for my fight it was more of just like just the top of my foot type of thing but there's nothing like those Mondays whenever you have to come in after a really physical game where you like ran the ball eight or ten times or in college where you ran at 15 times and you have to come in on a Sunday or you know on the NFL Monday and have to go in and work out. I remember after having some really physical games in the NFL and running the ball a lot and then they'd be like all right 9 am you got to come in and work out and I was like what? Yeah. Oh way but they want to get the soreness out they want to try and you know get you active and moving a little bit and then you have off day on. You believe that's true? I don't know what it is but I know I didn't like it. I usually do my workouts on Tuesday so I usually wait until Monday. I need that Monday off man after that game you know I gotta get treatment on Monday. I need to hold the off on Monday. I wish I would have done it that way. I just know our coaches were always like it's a Monday workout 9 in the morning would be out of the building somewhat early on Monday too like one or something. Yeah it was always so hard for me to get into it on a Monday after like you know when you you know how it is I mean if you get some catches and you're being physical and you're getting hit you know you're getting hit in the thighs and you're getting hit low and stuff like for me it was like I ran the ball a lot as a quarterback so you know I hated getting on that foam roller the next day and I in the morning it was miserable for me but you know usually about Tuesday or Wednesday you're able to come back and bounce back a little bit. What did you do for like recovery? Man I wasn't I wasn't huge training room guy I don't think I really learned how to take care of myself until probably my second year in the NFL you know I didn't play a lot my first year but even in even in college after you know really physical games like I would maybe go get in the cold tub a little bit but I was really never injured you know I never missed a game until like week 15 of my first year in the NFL like I was able to stay really really healthy and never broke a bone only really had a hamstring injury at the end of my first year in the NFL and my second year other than like just some elbow tightness I never really had much problem so I wasn't really a big training room guy or really had to rehab or do anything which looking back on it now is you know a super blessing you know I don't have any really physical ailments or anything for my time playing football which is you know a lot better than most people can say after you know playing especially you know years in college and the NFL I was going to say Monday's are tougher fans to work extremely hungover it's a tough time all around you know Monday's tougher Cowboys fans right now that was I'm in Texas and I'm in Dallas and I've seen people's face yesterday it looked like they look like their dog got hit by a car or something that was bad all right so what is your prediction on the Texas NFL is you game I think it's going to be probably pretty high scoring I think I think he was offense looks really really good the defense is probably the strength of our team right now as well though I think we're going to see a high probably upper 30s matchup to be honest I think we'll be able to move the ball a little bit but it's going to be a hostile environment I know for sure that LSU really wants this game I'm just hoping maybe you know Ole Miss can get after him a little bit whether they win or lose a little bit make it super physical because I know that means a lot whenever we beat Alabama my Brett shirt freshman year they had played LSU the week before and it was an absolute dog fight so whenever you have something like that maybe the team before on the schedule can you know take a little bit of wind out of their sales or or bang them up a little bit to where they're coming in not a hundred percent full steam but look I've always really really like Lane Kiffin I've always thought he's a great coach I think him being an LSU is a force to be reckoned with for the future in the SEC hopefully they can just have a not as great a week as they did in week one what do you think about the the way he did it though the the decision at the end of the day and you I mean if you look back on everything to like LSU is a better job than than Ole Miss was it right to maybe leave at the end of the season with everything that was going on and maybe potentially going to a national title maybe not but at the end of the day that's not how these things work you know LSU is going to be pressuring them to get them out of there and Ole Miss is going to be trying to do anything they can do to keep them I mean LSU is one of those jobs that I think very few coaches around the entire country would not jump at the opportunity to take and just from your NIL to your recruiting to the history of national championships and the players like Jamar and oh and you know Joe and all the guys who have been there before it's a it's a school you would want to be at so you know Lane's one of those people doesn't really care what people have to say for the most part he's made that very blatantly obvious but you know he's a good coach and it's a good fit and hopefully they can just not not stick it to us next week it's a good it's a good college football year Jamar do you golf because I know Johnny are big golfers yeah big offer yeah Jamar do you go for a little bit I golf and cobble golf and cobble you ever heard of the amount I have I've been played it before I just went down I got to lose back in DMati where I go face or being Tiger Woods called golf course right now I was pretty pretty windy over there I'm not gonna lie it is I went last two weeks ago maybe a week ago and it was so hot but I still went out and played every day that's kind of it's kind of my passion and what I've moved into after football I think golf is giving me something that's really good for my mental health it's really good for me being outside and being around friends and I travel when my golf clubs everywhere I'm on flights every week and I pretty much like I'm in Texas this week I'll play golf as mentally mental relaxing it can be right you know I've played since I was five years old so yeah like I watch I watch and and I'm around a bunch of guys who are just starting to play and it looks mentally exhausting but you know I'm able to the point where I I can go pick up a club anytime after not playing and at least be able to hit it and keep it somewhat within play so I think right now where my games out games that it's a little bit frustrating because I feel like I'm hitting the golf ball well but I'm not scoring very well as compared to what I'm used to so it's just one of those things it takes a lot of time and you think about how much time you put it on your craft it's the same thing that you have to do in golf to get the results out of it you want so I don't know it's kind of the area and direction my life is going being on the golf course a lot so I'm gonna keep doing it I could only get through like six seven holes and I'm tired that's what I I have this theory like the 12 12 hole like 18s too many 12 though would be ideal no I have some days where I'll play 50 plus I was getting I knew you're gonna say that yeah you got to go for that though yeah and it's only in the offseason like I'm really in a mood I want to go golf you know I'm saying so yeah I mean going to play a nice little nine holes when you're out in Cabo and then getting out and going to the pool and hanging out for the rest of the day or doing whatever else you need to do and just relaxing I think that's a thing for you guys right when the season ends and you're done it's it's about relaxing and spending time with your people and your family and you know doing what you want to do you know there's so much of the year where you're confined to the NFL schedule and the grind and you know trying to achieve the goal of what it is for your team every single year you know golf is golf is something you can go out and be like all right that was nice I hit some good shots maybe I it makes me feel like I want to come back but other than that I get your rest and your relaxation and time with the fam yeah you don't you know a lot about that you say earlier you was you was on tour with Drake right yeah I went last year for I left home film the TV show and called Special Forces which was unbelievable experience to go and pretty much be like a you know trained by Navy Seals and British Special Forces for a week and you see how far you get to go on the show and then you know I got back to the States had a little bit of work and Drake asked if I wanted to go on tour and I think from like June July August I didn't get back home until probably September at some point and then I was down in the Bahamas for some of October most of November December and then a little bit into January as he was finishing up this last album and got to spend a lot of time with him and the boys last year and for me it was amazing to be able to see how that process was making an album how much goes into it and you know that's a huge thing for me in my life I think nowadays that brings me a lot of peace is the music you know I enjoy being around it and you know being in the studios and stuff so to see the three albums that he dropped this year come together was was an amazing thing something that I think I'll cherish forever now that's that's pretty fire I'm pretty sure a lot of people probably want to be in those shoes what do you think what do you think is something that you see that the fans don't see when you're hanging out with him and he's making all these albums yeah I think his dedication to his craft and what I've seen over the the year of being around him is how hard he really works like he's a guy that plays hard but a guy that really works hard too and to see you know what our schedule was like in the Bahamas for how late we would be there on some nights and then getting up the next day and doing it all over again and and seeing how much time he's put into everything from shooting the music videos that he shot for the rollout of of Iceman to what he's about to drop another thing tonight that he pretty much text me and said that this is going to this is one of his favorite things that he's worked on and just the visuals of everything. The time that it takes to go into perfecting every single little drum kick or every single little thing on a beat or on a song it's the attention to detail and the work ethic that I think I've seen through him that probably not a lot of people will understand. And for me spending time with him and all of his people that are known as crew has been inspiring for me and my life and just you know I feel like I'm in a really good place right now of having a good schedule working hard on the things I want to work on and being the best person that I could be in this life and time that we have on Earth. And to me every single person and that and that team and him especially that's family to me now. And they've treated me that way and it's been a special relationship to be able to develop from the time I was in college to now but it's been really cool and it's been really big blessing to have friends like I have in that crew and they really are some of my best friends at the world. So you know I'm blessed to be able to have that you know opportunity to be around as much as I am and I think you know they all know that. But I think it's really cool and we talked about this a little bit earlier but you know guys who kids that look up to you guys they see football they think that's the end goal here. The things that you have done now like you were just with Drake and you did this MA thing and now you're you know you're doing golf and all this like what advice would you give the kids out there to not pigeonhole themselves in one thing because now look at all these experiences you've had because of football but also because you branched out afterward. Yeah I think for me I thought life was over for a long period of time after I was done playing football and you know it took me a long time to get my mental to a place where that realized that wasn't the case right and now I look at life in a way of maybe I you know wasn't meant to play football for a long long time and go have a long illustrious career you know maybe the through the things that I've been through in life have given me an opportunity to give back to people have knowledge and be able to you know help kids or help people in life from a mental health standpoint to a football standpoint or just in a life standpoint as general that in general that's the one thing that you know life has given me it's given me a lot of great opportunities and the ability to reach the height of something and it's given me the opportunity to reach the lowest of lows where it was hard to continue on and through both of those things I've learned a lot I have a ton of experience and I have an appreciation and a gratitude on life to be able to sit here today with a great family with great friends and you know a sense of pride on the things I've done in football and life and a sense of pride of what I'm still continuing to try and do now in life I think you know it's not just all football even though it's such a great thing but you can be in great in life outside of just being great on a football field or in whatever sport that you play and you talk about this a lot you're pretty open with it finding you know you dealt with a lot of stuff but finding peace and and just kind of that calmness in life what's like the key to that or what do you what advice you give people in terms of that yeah I think it's time I think it's therapy I think it's not being afraid to ask people for help whenever you may be struggling I think it's having great people in your life you know I wouldn't be here today without my sister my family my nieces and some great friends in my life that I have that I'm able to look back over the years and they haven't they haven't cared about me being Johnny football or the things that I've done in life they've cared about who I've been as a person because deep down I think for me what a lot of people don't get to see is I do have a huge heart I would do anything for my friends and for my family even sometimes do a fault where I would do it before myself and you know I think you just have to continue to work on life and not give up you know I think that's been the huge thing it's been a ton of times where I've wanted to give up but you know I've had you know angels in my life at times whether it be my sister or friends in my life and you know seeing my sister have these three girls and being around them and seeing what I mean to them and they're only you know seven, four and two you know when you have something like that in your life I think it gives you a different perspective on life. When did you when do you think that you know like after football that you found your piece you know like when you realized you wasn't Johnny football no more like you know yeah when I went and played in Canada and I got to Canada and I really realized I wasn't having as much fun with the game anymore like I used to go out to a practice excited I used to go out there with a different type of pep in my step to be able to be like get better today and when I went to Canada just the way that the game was up there and the way that the organizations were I never really felt that and then I'm like you know what I got an opportunity to come play in the AAF League and Memphis for a couple weeks and I'm like I'm just not having as much fun with the game anymore that was my first realization of like okay this is probably going to be over for me and and when it really started to become acceptance and peace of everything was when I started playing golf and I was a guy for a long time that whenever I would get down and depressed about football or not being able to have that my life anymore I would stay inside watch a lot of TV you know kind of put myself in a room and not really leave for a little bit and golf got me out of that to where I'm outside I'm in the sun you know I'm working on something that is a game that only I have myself to blame for it right either I didn't practice enough I didn't put in enough time to it or I don't have anybody else to blame when something goes wrong other than myself that I think that's the thing that I like the most about the game and from there I started getting a competitive edge again to be able to go out and play and try and better myself and it gave me something like I used to have in football you know you're so competitive that on Sundays you want to go out and win so bad or beat the guy in front of you so bad that it's a relentless thing that you won't stop until you do when football ends you don't have that so for me going out playing against games gambling against guys playing in tournaments you know doing whatever you can do in the golf sense to be able to have that kind of competitive nature is something that brought me peace and gave me the same type of feeling to be able to get you know that type of adrenaline and rush in life that we long for you know being football players I'm sure that's feeling just doesn't go ways you have to find other outlets to kind of get that 100% you know I think that's why the MMA stuff it's like to get in there and get your blood brushing and be able to be like okay this guy's trying to kill me you have to defend yourself type of thing is you know I've always life for me has always been about the thrill I've always loved the thrill and the ride of life in that regard and you know now I try to find different ways to be able to do that and luckily life keeps putting things in my way to be able to you know give me that opportunity or you could just become a packer's fan life's pretty miserable right now usually you know I want to ask my guess do they have any particular story that they that anyone doesn't know or anything that they've did exciting that anybody doesn't know usually something that's not too exposed but underneath the rug that's a little bit to tell man and I'm pretty sure we all know you got some some stories no pressure just make it a really good oh man I was thinking about this the other day I was just thinking about man you know I've put there's been times where I've put some blame obviously on on the Cleveland Browns for kind of how my time and situation in the league went and I was sitting here the other day and had like a moment of clarity of like God I really could not have cared less when I got to the NFL my first year like I was super complacent with learning and just like being in the back of roll we were winning games and I was like man this is awesome and I remember back two times throughout my first year rookie year in the NFL I snuck out twice whenever we were on road games I legitimately walked out of the hotel and went to like a party of somebody that invited me for an hour and a half when we were on the road in Baltimore and then I was out for like an hour maybe I'm like what am I doing I need to get back and then same thing in San Diego I've done all of my training in San Diego and I knew the city really well and I'm rooming with Connor Shaw and this guy's just looking at me like oh you can't be serious I'm like I'm not tired we don't play till later tomorrow I'm probably not going to get any snaps and I literally left the hotel again twice and I don't think they ever caught me maybe they knew and didn't care but like I was just looking back and thinking back on like this is really what kind of effort you gave your first year in Cleveland and luckily the second year whenever I was a lot better but just to look back and think that that's kind of how I was you know I don't have anybody else to blame but myself or how my NFL career went for a little bit so those are two small little tidbits that I was thinking about the other day that I hadn't even really thought about it many many years but if you're a rookie in the NFL don't sneak out go stay in a room if you do take care to the person on the floor for sure I appreciate you guys having me man I appreciate you guys having me I wish you all the best this year man anything you ever need I'm here for you and much respect to both of you guys thank you so much we'll do man I appreciate it all right guys next part of the show it is time to open up at the phone lines for press one for Uno we're gonna have some and voicemails from fans. think this is so cool because I know they have a lot of questions for you as well. So it's a great way for them to ask that and get your answer. So the first voicemail, are you ready? Yeah. All right. Hey, Jamar. My name is McKenna Gibson. I'm pretty young in my career and looking for some solid leadership advice. Being on the bangles and then the NFL requires so much leadership to build a winning culture. What's the absolute best piece of leadership advice you've received and learned along the way? Great question, McKenna. I would probably say something that I've learned is that are received only because of my actions. Just how I've handled things. I say a lot of the things of being a leader is just being at being in the right attitude. Like that right there goes such a long way. Being positive every day coming to work every day and just being positive to to which you're putting all your energy into that's gonna go a long way. And also the people around you is the biggest thing too. You know? That's the biggest thing. Like I know support has always been my big thing growing up. So for everybody else, I would say like definitely have a good support team around you for sure. Setting yourself up for success. It's perfect. Yeah. Okay. Voicemail number two. What's up Jamar? It's Kevin from right here in Cincinnati. I'd love to hear more about how you handle those Superbowl expectations every single year, especially with the media always looking for something to dissect with the bangles every time. There's talk about getting back to the big game. Who day? Who day? I appreciate you realizing that they do this all the time actually because this is this is something that they actually do all the time. And it's year in year out. Half of the time. Half of the time we really don't have nothing like to say because you don't you don't know until the season comes or how the team may act or or play during a camp or the joint practice when we practice against somebody else. So you really don't know until it's actually an emotions of happening. So I might appreciate that. But just going forward, man, I think we just got to stay confident in ourselves and just and just believe in each other and push hold each other's accountable. Going forward to every other week and take it when we got a time. That's all we can do. And as as athletes and players on the field, we got to adjust, you know, I'm saying just to help the coaches out, make it better for us. We got to be able to adjust on the fly. See what they doing. Coaches got to see it from their iPads too. So they got to adjust to with us. So we all trying to get on one big taste together. So we can give back to what we want to be. That's a hard thing about success early like that or just recently. People expected every year. Okay. Voice mail number three. Yo, Jamar and Annie, this is Sarah from Columbus. Annie, you deal with a ton of grow. I got a question, guys. You do with a ton of crazy comments and wild takes on social media every day. So who has to deal with worse internet trolls, NFL content creators or an NFL wide receiver after dropping a pass? And Jamar, be honest, how often are you to actually reading the comments and what's the funniest hot take you've seen about yourselves recently? Lots of dissect here. There's a great question. I'll start with. Yeah, you go first off. I think his job is astronomically harder than mine. Because there's so much more expectation. I just make comedy, you know, I'm cracking jokes. And the one thing I will say, if I get a fact, like if I make a joke and people get a mad about it, it's a joke at the end of the day. Sorry. It's it was factually correct. If I get a fact wrong or say a guy got drafted a wrong year or don't know my stuff, if I don't know ball, that's when I get mad at myself. So I will read those comments. But the negative ones, I mean, negativity is you probably get this out. It's normal on social media. It's more normal now than maybe ever before, which is really sad because people don't see a person at the other end of the computer or the phone. They just see a content creator. They see videos that they'll randomly see throughout the week. So yeah, it's tough, but it's nothing like what you're experiencing. Because people, you're getting paid millions of dollars to do this job that people have you up on this pedestal. If you don't do well, oh my gosh, it's them, you know, under the world. So you, but you speak to that, what's your experience with negativity on social media? Um, honestly, it's, it's something you really can't get charged into today, especially negativity on there. Um, I feel like it's, it's, it's everywhere you go, no matter how you, whatever you do, it's everywhere you go. So, um, honestly, you see, I see it a little bit, you know, I'm saying, but it's, I don't have it on. So it's like underneath my overtime collapse and stuff. I do collapse where they got to go to other people's page and post on it like that. But honestly, man, you got to just ignore it. I'm saying, uh, they ain't nothing but haters. Try to knock you down and knock you off your pivot when in reality, they just want to be where you are and they can't. So you got to love it every day and brace it. You know, I'm saying really at the end of the day, any, somebody wants to be in your position right now, right? Yeah. Uh, just just love it. And smile at them. You know, I'm saying like right now they're watching this and mad that you had that answer. Oh, yeah. What's funny too is they probably would never say that in person to either, you know, so that's what I just think about like maybe, maybe they're struggling. Maybe something's going on. It's nothing to do. Yeah. Nothing to do. They're on their television or whatever. Did you know how did you know? I was doing that on something with a rip jersey on. Yeah. Well, it was definitely a poison rip before it was ripped after Sunday's a terrible game. Okay, point number four. Hello Jamar. And hey, Annie, this is Chris calling in from Sincie. Annie is someone who spends plenty of time online. What is the single funniest or most random fan interaction you've ever had in your DMs or inbox? And Jamar, when you're out and about in public or signing autographs, what is the most bizarre thing a fan has ever handed you or asked you to sign? I'll, I'll, while you're thinking of yours, which don't judge me for this Jamar. So this is not a fan interaction. This is a player interaction. And it is probably one of my favorite things to this day. Tyrie kill. Great. Great. I'm sure. Never met him. But he, um, I had posted I did actually an F one thing. So I posted I was doing a ride along an F one and I'd said something about how I was going so fast. I felt like Tyrie kill. Just references speed, you know, not that big. Right. He quoted it and said, he said something like made a joke. And then he was like, Hey, if you want, if you want my number, all you have to do is ask, but I be being the me that I am was not going to let that fly. He had just done a camp, Jamar. I don't know if you remember this. He just done a camp, a bunch of kids and he was playing, you know, guarding one of the plane DBs for a second. And the, the kid just wrote, I mean, just burned him so bad. So I, and this one viral because I basically all what Tyrie kill can't play defense. You know, it was, it was all over. So I tweeted his tweet and I said, Hey, Tyrie, you know, I really, really appreciate this. Um, but if I, you know, I, I, I appreciate the asking me your number, but seems like that kid from your camp already has yours. And it went crazy. People loved it. So I felt really bad. Tyrie, give your watch. I don't usually take shots at NFL players in person or like to their face, but that was probably one of my favorite interactions. He didn't block you after that. No. Yeah. And he was great about it. He commented back like a gift. And yeah, he was funny. Yeah. It was fun. But what's, what's your interaction? That's most bizarre that you remember the most with the fan. Um, for me with fans, I would say, in Cincinnati, overall, they don't really say too much or do too much. I don't know. Other narratives, just extra pictures to say. Yeah. But I have had somebody like ask me to sign their baby or hold their baby. And I've just like, I can't do that. That's like me giving somebody my kid and saying, hold my kid or sign my kid. You know, I can't do that. Yeah. That would be weird. NFL fans are, we're kind of weird people. I think their kid is a object like a piece of paper. Yeah. I don't see it. That's the signing thing would be I could maybe see if they're old enough to know this is going to be a great experience someday. They can look back on the video, but to sign the kid. People that's that's happening me twice, though, only twice. Really? Yeah. That's an official wrap on this episode of Chasing No One. Don't forget to subscribe and like on YouTube. Follow us and give us a rating on Spotify and check us out on social media. This show is powered by overtime. Thank you, Annie, for joining me. We'll see you next time.