Johnny Manziel, Hit-Boy, GloRilla, mgk, & Alycia Baumgardner

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On this episode of the shop, we had an amazing conversation with Johnny Manziel. - They shame me so hard for not being able to play in that game. - Pitboy. - I eat very well, but it's like, I know what it really is supposed to be. - Glowrilla. - A girl from me, if you know from the ghetto, and being able to be invited to the White House, like there was everything to me. - Machine Gun Kelly. I'm just like a lost boy trying to find something to belong to. - And boxer, Alicia, the bomb, bomb gardener. - I'm an athlete of integrity. I never had a cheat in my life. - Check it out now. - Yo. - What's up? - Look at that guy there. - What's up brother man? - Hi baby. - How you been dog? - I'm good to see you. - How you been, bro? - I'm great. - You look like you're in great shape. - I'm in great shape. - I'm back. - You're in great shape? I'm getting even better every day. - Really? - Yeah, I'm working out. - Start on Monday. - What made you start working out heart? - I went to UCLA pro day the other day. I was like throwing the ball around and like actually touched the NFL ball again. - It's a little bit. - And I got the H. - It's just the first time we are talking forever. The ones in the last time we all sat and even passed out. - Nice guy. - Drake, no. - No, Drake? - I know he was somewhere. - The Drake party at Super Bowl last year. I was walking out early before-- - This was Vegas. - Phoenix. - Phoenix Drake. - I was with you. - Phoenix Drake concert. You were walking out to get somebody and I was leaving early because it was too crazy in there and that you were probably looking to me like I was crazy because you never seen me leave a party, especially a Drake party early before. - You were actually leaving the party, that's right. I wanted to get somebody in. - Yep. - That's the last time we said a lot, like-- - Yeah. - Honestly, it didn't hit me obviously. We spent every day together and we see each other passing. I saw your interview with Uncle Shay, Uncle Shannon and it wasn't like, oh, it hadn't hit me that y'all hadn't spoken or hadn't spent any real time since y'all worked together, like-- - Yeah, I think that's like the thing that I kind of came out and said on Shannon because I text you after it came out because listen, as you know, there's a way that you guys move in a sense that I picked up on when I was in my time in Cleveland, shit, my time in Akron. My time in the offices, like LRMR for me was two and a half, three years of my life. Like now as I get to sit here as like a 31 year old dude, like I really realize why things went the way that they did. How hard was it? You know how hard was it dealing with me during those times? Like in hard maybe not be the word, but like when you want something so bad and what you and Brad and E.B. all wanted for me, I couldn't want myself enough to get things done. And then like when you sit back and you have time to reflect on the totality of your life and like the people that have come into it, like I really just felt like a pressing need to like go on Shay Shay and like sit there and express my gratitude for everybody that was involved in that process. I know it wasn't easy. Hey, we need you to do this X, Y and Z. And then you see me sitting in the condo at the 9 and Cleveland. I'm like, I ain't doing that. You got Rodney sitting there and the rest of the boys and they're like, what do you mean you're not going to do this? Like we got things on the schedule. So like now sitting here 31 years old, like I have appreciation and a gratitude for all that you guys tried to do. And what we did pretty much, I mean there's still a lot that we got done, man. I still feel a sense of accomplishment for everything that you did for me, that brought it for me, that the whole crew did for me, that will always take with me forever. Like I learned way more now with a clear head when I looked back at it than I thought I ever really did. I was watching it and I understood your point of view on it and your feeling about it. My point of view on it was I never felt like you owed me an apology. We worked together. We did to your point, some great business together. There were a lot of great things. I was saddened by the choices that you made as an NFL player, but more as a person. But more importantly, we had shifted, when I say we, Brad, who was his lawyer, who's a great man, E.B. who was his agent, it's shifted from like, getting Johnny to his next contract and helping be a great quarterback to, let's not let this guy die. Like damn, let's just keep him alive, let's keep him. It was like the football thing, that, that ship is sale. He's not going to be a football player. And Johnny, for what you're sitting, is it like, man, pain in my ass, like, was it? Johnny was like two, three day bender. Like, you don't know where he is. And when you do it, anyone in your life like that, when they go on that type of, I've had aunts, uncles, you never know when it's the one, when you, when you finally get the call, like they found him in the hotel on the floor, da, da. When they, and you, you know, you, you will go. And I didn't see that at that point in time, like, genuinely, like, I thought I was doing, like, I was living this episode out of ballers. Like, I was in my condo and Cleveland doing whatever, like, had everything I could have ever wanted. I haven't been there so, so plugged. I mean, there, as you know, like, I'm rolling around the city in $300, $400,000 where the car is absolutely being a menace in, in the city of Cleveland. And then, as I'm not playing in Cleveland, like, I'm not tapped into what we're doing as a Brown's organization, and as in a quarterback room. Like, I'm completely, because of the way our situation was in Cleveland, the taps from it all. - What up, bro? - All right, got it. - Good to see you. - Speaking of Cleveland? - Yeah. - Cleveland. - Yeah. - In the building, baby. - What's up? - But, Johnny, you also, I mean, I can laugh at it now, 'cause I'm sitting here staring at you or having the conversation. - Yo, hey, what up, man? - Yeah, I'm being here. - What up, the hot, you just see, I'm just sweating. - I was just, yeah. - The one time I was really scared, Johnny. I don't know if you remember this. You came to San Antonio, and I think it was 2014 for the, for the heat finals. And it was like, and Johnny had this thing we should talk about this. It was really bad when he went home. You know how everybody like, home is hard, like when you got some money. - Like home to Texas. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If he went to the state of Texas. - You already knew. - Hello. - Hello. - Hello. - Hello. - Hello. - Hello. - How are you? - How are you? - Yeah, I'll be giving people a chance. - Hey. - Hey, close up, y'all. - Close up, y'all. - Yeah, and glow. - You feel me? - Johnny, when he went home, we all got a version of this, like, when he went, when he made money, if he would go to the state of Texas, the state of Texas might have been a black hole. He would go in as no talent. And you noticed, you got, Vegas was another black hole, but you didn't go in much. Well, if you went to Texas, it was like, that thing he's got to do on a week. - I'd forget about that. - I do want to know. - Am I right? - Of course, you're absolutely right. - I feel like when he came, when he was in Cleveland, he brought a lot of fun to the city too, like to be honest. - He said you were there for that. - Yeah, a good tie. - Great time when Johnny was in the city. I definitely was looking some nights like, "But how are you going to win this next game?" - I knew we had Brock. - How's he going to get to the city? - You're much in Vegas. There's been a lot of chat about the Vegas thing. I know what I know from watching TV. - And some interviews are like, you went up in Vegas and there's the talk of whether there was a disguise or not. - He was on injured reserves. - Ma'am didn't have much of a say in this whole photo. - That's what I want to get to. - Was there a conversation about vending the trip? - No, no, no, no, absolutely not. - No, but I have the photo. I still have the photo. - Yeah, of course. - Of course, there was no conversation, nothing. - It was going. - That's it. - It was week probably 16 of the season. I had been diagnosed with like a concussion. And back to back years in Cleveland, I didn't play in week 17 because of injury. So the year, the first year when I was in Cleveland, and I get hurt in the last game of the season happens we play Baltimore. And they shame me so hard for not being able to play in that game. They didn't even let me come on the sideline for the last game of the season. I had to sit and watch the whole game in a locker room. And this was the first point where I was like, Mike Patton, fuck you. And when it happened the next year, I'm like, I'm not sitting in that locker room again for week 17 of the season. And I really, really genuinely thought that I was going to make it back in time for the game. (laughing) I was, but he only had like 20 hours. He thought he could get the bag in. First of all, forget, get back. You're going to get there and get back when I'm being seen. How do you find out he's in Vegas? How do you find out? And when? First of him going missing was a normal thing. He's not picking up your phone. - Nobody. - Okay. - The next thing is like, NFL report was like, yeah, Johnny football was in Vegas. And he was possibly there in the sky. Your disguise was not even that good, my friend. I'll show you guys it after this, on my phone. And then like a couple of days later, he came clean. But I don't know, who did you send it? Did you send me the picture? - I probably sent it to E.B. - You sent it to E.B. And E.B. called me his agent like, I paid the phone, he like, this motherfucker. I already know, he's like, I'm sending you the picture now. Look at your text, I look at the text. It's a picture of him with the worst like white man from sales and every company. Bull, blonde, wiggle. - Oh, you had the nerve to play a little bit. - Am I? - No, no, it's a full disguise. Glasses, a wig. - And a mustache. - And a mustache, man. What I never understood was it like a joke 'cause you're on a bender, or you really thought no one was going to recognize you? - Ah, I was sitting down at the table, and this is something that everybody here can probably relate to is like when you're coming up in like a life of like starting to get like famous a little bit and people are starting to know you, like the first thing you kind of want to do is like hide and like shudder away a little bit. And like, sitting there, I'm playing Blackjack, I'm having a time mind in my business. And then I look up from a hand, and this guy's just looking me, you know, that eye contact dead in the eye where he like kind of head goes sideways. And he knows, and I know that he knows who I am. So that immediately starts like the rabbit hole of your own brain going down this path of like shit. Like this is gonna be on Twitter any minute. Like this, the cat is out of the bag. But I'm already here, it's midnight. They're in the flights back to Cleveland. Like we may as well try and make this work. So I went to a wig shop off the strip and did what I could. - Had you had done disguise before it, I was-- - No, never, never. I was a complete rookie in the disguise department. - Yeah, well, yeah. - Well, I want to ask like in doing like research, one of the most like documented athletes were better or worse. I forgot that you were redshirted your first year at Texas A&M. And that first year you played, you almost had damn near 5,000 yards, like 4,600 or whatever total yards. How's life changed? Like from that first year to that second year, your life changes instantly? - Yeah, instantly. I mean, it changed like gradually through the first season. Like we played 10 games before we played Alabama. And really like the Alabama game that day, walking into the stadium is like a good college quarterback and then walking out of the stadium is like a national phenomenon. - A legend. - And it's just like one day change my life forever in that sense. Like I mean, I got a chance to sign with Matt. Like you don't get to do that from Kerbilt, Texas why I'm from. Then that one day, like you get on Twitter, Twitter is very new at that point in time. Like I remember LeBron following me on Twitter. I remember seeing that after that game and being like, damn, I made enough of an impact on TV that the person that like my biggest like role model, I'm the biggest fan of this guy ever is now following me in my life and what I'm doing. I'm in my dorm room in college fucking lit. I think I'm on top of the world. - I mean, the one thing I can say to your points of like, just like the pressure and everything that happened, like Cleveland is a specific city that like weighs their life on the players that are on their sports teams. And I could even say that from a place of regret that I had 'cause I had said things about LeBron when LeBron left. And I always regretted that. But I was so close to it because my friends' moms lost jobs. Like you guys really are the economy of the city, you know what I mean? Like even with my position, like I wasn't bringing the money that the athletes are bringing until as of recent where I was able to bring 10 million dollars into the city over a weekend of course of two days, you know. When we brought our show there, like it's so much pressure that we put on the athletes that it almost says like what else do you get? - Of course it's so much for sure. But Glilt, can I ask you? 'Cause when he talked about it after he walked in the Alabama game as Johnny Menzel, he walked out of legend. - Johnny football, yeah. Like what was that moment for you? 'Cause your career, you been around, I was reading since 2019. I didn't know that. To me it felt like it was like, oh shit, just like this wave. And I even felt a little bit like, the fuck have I been doing? How did I not know? Was there a moment for you or does it feel like it's been a gradual build? - See, I had been rapist in 2019 but I ain't blow up until 2022. And so there was like, it's like right out that I made my first song, "Effan Elf" is like the same week. It didn't take the song long to blow up. It blew up in like three days. And so I was just trapped in the world like two days after I dropped the song 'cause I was a label. So it's calling me everywhere. And so yeah, my life changed right after I dropped that song. - What is the thing you're still adjusting to right now? - I mean, I know adjusted for the most part. I did just like, now I'm adjusting to like, I know people don't be good people. Like I'm a genuine, genuinely good person. Getting into this world now that I'm in, I just see like people intention to throw me good and a lot of people not genuine. That part be cooking me up because I'm such a genuine good person. So that's what I got to get used to knowing that it ain't bad intentions like good. - I think that's a tough thing that any of us go through like in this spot, like when you get to a point where you're like famous in the sense where people want something from you, everybody wants something from you. And like it really is hard to decipher. Like I can't imagine how it would've been if I didn't have you guys in my life like being in Cleveland. How many people approached me about doing XYZ and it's hard to find out who has good intentions and who doesn't? - For sure, you knew money, you just made money. This guy's want to sell you cars. This guy wants to be your jeweler. This guy wants to be all that shit and figure it out. What was that like for you here? Because people don't talk about this, but for producers it's extremely difficult because you guys build these catalogues that become very valuable way later in life. It's a different thing than being like artists when you make a hit record and you make all this money now. Proozers catalogues actually get more valuable over time. But people like, I know you went right about, you went through that deal. You had a shitty deal at the beginning that took a long time to get out. - Yeah, it's crazy because I'm actually still in my publishing situation. - How long you originally? - I signed when I was 19 years old. - It's on your original? - I'm 37, so y'all been in the deal for a long time. He's a copa with Universal Publishing and Apollo. And it's just the way it was set up. It's just ancient terminology in the contracts. And I just now, thanks to Desiree and Jay-Z and people like that, that really kind of got me to the place I'm in now where I can have an end date. But before my whole career, I was working without having an actual end date to the way we really get our money which is through publishing, you know what I mean? So I'm like, just a little bit more out and that's like, that's gonna be like, life changing for me, you know what I mean? Just to even have freedom as a grown man. Like, I haven't been able to go do other deals or go get advances in different places. Like, my counterparts have and just like, even, you know, not just, I eat very well, but it's like, I know what it really is supposed to be. You know what I mean? And it's just like, I'm still, that's gonna be the day. - Your kind of log is your biggest asset. Will you be able to go back and get all your rights from all your old that you've made in that field? - Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm gonna get the revisions, but it's gonna take some time. But as far as like, you know, I just wanna really just add that piece of mine. It just be a grown person able to make my own decisions for the first time in the publishing world. - You said you're almost out of that too, huh? - Yeah, almost. - 20 years. - Still there. - And how's, take us back. How's that happen? They get a young, eager artist. - Exactly, yeah, I mean, I met Paulo DeDano in my space and I see them going crazy doing all these big pop acts and really just producing on that level that I was like, man, I wish to be this one day, you know what I mean? And 50,000 sounded good in 2007, you know what I mean? My pops always been, you know, I'm prison most of my life. My mom had me when she was 16. So like, I didn't have like that financial. I never really had to shit, I wanted. Always had what I needed, you know what I mean? Something to eat, place to stay, but I like wanting more for myself. So, you know, just like I took that opportunity and didn't know, didn't have a guidance, didn't have those figures around me to tell me like, nah, they got you locked in this for a long time. Like, you know, I would have never sung for 50 bands back then if that was the case. That's crazy. When you, your first experience at 17, it's, you know, there's a lot of that in the music business. That's, I mean, I had the same thing. Did you really? Like, when I signed, I think when I was 20 maybe. And then kind of same deal, like I trusted somebody. I spent most of my 20s, you know, high or like on drugs and just kind of like, and I'm hungry. My, I never looked at my back account once. You just wanted to work? I just wanted to work. And I'm going to be back. I mean, mostly, I was here for respect. I grew up a battle rapper, so that was, my hunger was not for money, it was for-- To win the battle. Yeah, of course. To be considered a great MC. 100%. So, as I grew older, I started looking at my peers and I was like, why do they have cars and houses? And I'm still sharing rentals and all these things that weren't adding up with the amount of fame and records that I had sold, you know, 50 million sold, 60 millions, all these things. And I was like, I don't have anything that's mine. And, you know, I ended up auditing myself and finding out all these millions of dollars remissing. And I found out some of that had-- that's funny enough, some of that had went to start YBN. Wow. So, like, that's why Core Day and I are really close, you know, because, you know, certain individuals had taken from me and started-- Was it a business person or a record label? It was a business person. Got it. It was your account. No. Grow one's name. Grow one's name. I actually don't want to put them on blast because respectfully, I'm kind of like, I forgive you. And-- And you moved on. And I moved on. But to not see real money until you're 30 years old and to spend 10 years kind of like in the abyss of, you know, not having anything to claim as your own. And I guess I kind of grew up that way anyway. I was very nomadic, you know, like my dad was very depressed and he slept a lot in my life. And he-- It was kind of like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory when the grandpa had slept in the bed for so long. But I shared a bed with him, you know, in middle school, it saw a lot of his energy, even just physically kind of just goes into you, you know, and it's not his fault. He was just depressed, you know, like that was something that, yeah, again, like my headphones became my best friend and that was where the hunger came from. And I never really-- money never really mattered, I guess. And so that was why when I started, you know, getting it, I never really paid attention to it. And so it was very easy to just be like, oh, he doesn't-- he's not even looking at this shit, like-- Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. And honestly, I'm grateful because it did go to someone like, I love Korda, you know, so I'm glad that like my-- I'm glad he started. I'm glad he started. That's a great perspective, man. That's amazing. Have that perspective. Yeah, and I'm here and all of them like, that's cool, like some more kids got to experience, you know. And so you really look at it like on your own and like, learn it yourself on how to deal with like the finances side of it's-- it's brutal. Like, I kept myself-- when I got to Cleveland and I started to get money and Matt was going out and working these deals for me, like, I wanted to make it the same way as when I was in college and I got like a stipend check every month. So I only had my people like, give me certain amount of money every month so I couldn't get in trouble with it. Well, at the end of the day, when I want to do whatever the fuck I wanted to do, like, I still spend it anyway, type of things. So, man, you provided some great time. You're money with your great time. I enjoyed some of those nights, but that was all of them. For sure. Speaking of dads, obviously you said, we all know Big Hit, does he go like, wow, son, I'm so proud of you. How does he do? Nah, nah, nah. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. I don't like that. Before Hit even goes there, I mean, it also goes back to like, he did N.I.P. like, I remember being in Paris when they performed that 22 times. Try. So you've been doing this for, you know, decades now, like it's insane. Like, God knows his first Grammy. Wow. Crazy. Jay-Z's only down record. Crazy. And, oh, no, how that happened. The number one, huh? I don't know how that happened. And the number one record Texas Holden forbid, like, you've done some amazing things. Does he say, I'm proud of you? I mean, he's just so strict, like, I know he is, but like that, he just got this exterior that's just like, thanks to all the time, you know what I mean? And that'll say it to you, that he's proud of me, but never to me, it's just like something. But that might come, though, because my dad passed, and that was the second to last thing he said to me. Really? He held my hand and he didn't have much strength at all. He had never said it to me. It wasn't his thing. Like, he was kind of, I wouldn't say institutionalized, he was, like, generationalized. Like, he just, like, didn't understand rap music. He didn't understand rap music. He really wanted me to have a traditional life. Oh, God. Yes. So the second to the last thing he said was, I'm proud of you, which had to be massive people. What was the last thing he said to you? This was when he was already kind of like crossing over, and he just, he thought, he thought I wasn't real. He thought I was an angel, and I was like, not a dad, it's really me. Like, I'm here. And he was like, no, you aren't, like, and then he just looks up at this sky and he goes, what a trick. Wow. And then, that was the-- Wow. That's really incredible. I think one of the most beautiful things, outside of even the music you've created and the soundtrack you've created is seeing you and your son and your son and his grandpa. So, right? So, I think even some of the social stuff of, like, in the studio with Nas and his son's there. Yeah. It's got to trip you out a little bit to see your pops and your son together. It's a show because, like, you know, our, you know, I can't say I remember exactly being his age, with just, like, when, when I was my son's age, that's when my dad got locked up. So, it was just wild how when I see them playing them, like, damn, that's how we would have been if he was around in days, you know what I mean? Have you of him talked about he's using this time with his grandson to catch up on what he missed with his own son? Not for sure. Yeah. We think about it, talk about it, then done interviews about it for sure. Like, he, this has been everything we do, like, it's just, like, reprogramming him. Like, the first day he got out, I just remember waking up that next morning, like, seven a morning, and he's just, like, busting into these stories, and he's, like, he, just, like, he still thought he was on the yard, like, thought I was another nigga in jail with you, and he's just talking about, wow, shit, I don't want to say what it was. He's talking about crazy. No, it's his job. What was he saying? We get in there. Like, just, like, you know, scrapping with niggas and prison and, you know, having, getting stabbed up and just, wow, shit, I'm just, like, this shit is a line for, like, you know. That's what's called institutionalized, literally, you become some, the, the good thing is, some people actually feel more comfortable back in jail, like, they're not comfortable on the street. They've been locked up so long. He was kind of part of the inspiration of your career, too, right, you know, right? And I know, part of it was, like, obviously, I'm a huge, now I'm a huge hit fan, the CEO of work over those, that, my favorite, by the way, is, it's funny. My favorite is the first one you all did, King's disease, and then Magic 3, I let those beaver, the start and the finish, the start of it's weird. I like a lot in between, and then you got to work with your dad. Yeah. He went to jail when you were five and he just got out, right? He went to prison when I was three and didn't get out, so I was about to be out of high school. And then, basically, just, like, only spent a couple years out on the streets since then, you know, man, this, this last run was probably the longest time we actually was locked in, because the other time, he had still be running the streets and doing what he do, just what he was programmed to do, and this time, I've been keeping them like this. We had interviews, sessions, he helping with my grandson, I mean, with his grandson with my son, you know what I mean? And just, like, we really taking it there, like, bro, we was out at the Super Bowl on the Vegas, and just, like, everybody just coming up to us, like, yo, man, they, now they starting to recognize me through him, they'll see him and be like, you know what I mean? I found out about your son through your story, you know what I mean? Which is crazy. He's been a part of some huge records, but now it's like, you know, it's a whole new door. Hey, I got to ask you, what was your reaction when you were in the stew and you hear your pop say, I'll bang on my son at first, so I mean, he really, really, like, like, we didn't win at each other, so I'm like, it's real, we really didn't banged on each other, so it is what it is. I'm supposed to, I look in the mirror and I bang on my son. That's really him, man, like, it ain't no act, you know what I mean? That's the beautiful to see it, that's just, I think that's one of the dopest things I've seen today is you're like walking in with your son, getting a chance to, like, bring him around this stuff. I'm pretty much a full-time dad at this point, like, here I interview sessions out of the six and eyes albums. He was there for so many of them sessions, managers, you know, he'd have made his own song now. He only four years old. He already made his own joint. I want to meet Big Hit one day. Super, sure. Play him on my fan. We're going to let hit go, by the way. Hit him. Yeah, respect. Appreciate you, buddy. I said, what's up? Yeah. Charlotte for me. That's time, man. Appreciate you all. Well, by the way, on you was talking about family and what he was saying, thank you, Hit. Thank you, Hit. This out. Come to the studio and give me some hit records from you, too. I need one. I need one. I need one. I need one. I need one. I need one. I need one. Don't do it. Close that. She wanted him to join us, too. That's crazy. That's hard. I do it. I want to ask you, going and doing research on you, I can count on one hand at times, I've checked our research team and been like, can this be right? You're wearing it on your chest. Your middle name. I knew you. I'm like, is that really her middle name? And they're like, yeah, that's really her name. But it comes from your family. You come from a very religious family. You want to listen to any secular music, right? Go on. Okay. So not on the radio. Mama, mama older, so like, I got older parents, like my dad is 73, my mama is 60, so my parents always was in the 40s and 50s while I was growing up, so I always, they always used to need a baker. You know, DM type, but we did watch, like, one of 6 spark, like I knew who people was, but once we got in the car, we not listening to no hip hop station or none, they were in the place straight, 95.7 in Hollywood, Philadelphia, I'm like, only God's mercy, but I didn't know the mercy, but I just didn't know too much about it, you know what I'm saying, but. Um, when I first started rapping, the first song got ever-deep falling. My daddy here, I was talking crazy. My dad was like, "What the fuck is you talking about?" [ Laughter ] -What the fuck? -When you played it for him? -Uh-huh. My dad was the lesser of strict parent. Like, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't feel ashamed to let him hear my music, but my mama, I was so scared. Like, I didn't tell her how I was rapping and nothing. Like, I was, like, two years in and didn't tell her. Like, "She had no idea I was rapping." But my dad didn't do -- But my sister had ended up, um, I was in my apartment cooking one day, and my mama called me. She was like, "So, you do music?" I was like, "How you doin'? [ Laughter ] And so, she was like, "Yo, sister told me." She said, "I heard your music is good." I thought she was gonna like have a lot to say, because if y'all heard my music, y'all know, like, I talk crazy. I mean, talking crazy in my song. So, I was, like, so embarrassed, but she was like, "It's good." And so, yeah, this side it came about. I didn't know my parents know about it. And what do they say now? That's super proud of me. They text me every day, and I always tell me. Hello. Hey! Welcome to the shop. Thank you. Thank you. It's amazing for you. Thank you. Hey. How are you? Good. The bomb, the bombs. The bombs, the bombs. I don't know me. How are you? How are you? I'm gonna see you. Good to see you. Yes. So, how did they feel? 'Cause now, you pay a lot of their bills, right? Yeah, they pay their bills. You pay their bills. So, that rap music that they're like. Right. Exactly. What's your next song? No, what's your next song? Speaking of family, at least you. Yes. Your grandmother taught you how to box, did I make that up? No, so I have a boxing family. Yeah, yeah. I have a big boxing family up. But my grandma, she was a warrior. So, I get my confidence in just her, her way of life. Just what that looks like. Just being a dominant, confident woman in every room, in every aspect, and that's why I do what I do. I love to fight, right? And so, when you step in that ring, you gotta know who you are for one, and you really gotta believe in yourself, because-- Have you loved the fights as a kid? I think I was just competitive, whatever sport it was. Did you get into a lot of, like, street fights that you-- That's what I was just about to ask. So, no, like, very non-confrontational, 'cause nobody mess with it, they were all intimidated. They're like, I'm not messing with her. But I'm like super sweet, but, like, you know, Preston Buttons, you know, something-- Oh, hey, Major, no, that's what you're blue. I think it's because, again, I just wanted to test myself. It was more like, my dad was like, you want a box? I was like, sure, I want a box. You know, it's all boys. And I just think it just built this confidence. And, like, like I said, just being the woman I am today, I can protect myself. I can help other women. And it just, again, builds that confidence. So, I'm like, well, I'm gonna try it. And I was great at it. So, I'm being a boy, I'm being a modern man, in the ring, I'm like, oh, I love this. But I was still so humble that, you know, nobody, they just left me alone. So, I think that was, like, it's, like, it's the best disguise. I'll say that. Can you ever get comfortable with taking a hit? Like, I played football. I never was comfortable with it. I never liked getting hit. Do you want me to be like, oh, I'm cool with it. If I get punched in the face, it's just what it is. You know, it sounds crazy, but I, like, low-key like it. And it's like-- You wanna like that? Loved it. It's just like, oh, okay, but, like, but I'm not gonna go in there just to get hit. But, like, if it happens, I'm like, okay, but, like, it just, I don't know, plus you're adrenaline is pumping in there. Does it, like, free you up a little bit times after you get hit one time? Like, the first kind of, so, like, in a game, when I would have to call a run-play, or Cliff King's Bear would call a run-play, to start a game every time. So, somebody could hit me, and then after that, my nerves went from, like, 10 to zero, like, immediately automatic, 'cause something about that first time, if you're comfortable with it, she already knows when you step in the ring like that. Like, there's a chance you can get caught with one. Like, same way, if you're not paying attention in the pocket, these guys are coming after to take your head off and you may get caught with one. You imagine what we do, you step into the boardroom, you've gotta get punched in your face, just calm down for your big presentation. I know exactly what you're saying, 'cause you're getting nervous before the court. Yeah, of course. You have to know your distance. So, that's another thing, you know, boxing a strategy when you're in there. So, again, a fighter that I thought she was taller than me. So, now I'm trying to see what my range is, because she a little longer. Okay, now I gotta cut the distance and come in a little shorter. So, I can hear what this body shot she'll see coming, you know what I mean? So, it's just those things, but I love it. It's fun, you know, the hard parts, the training part, but when you're in there, it's fun. You know, you got the crowd, it's loud. Do you hear the crowd in the ring? I do. I hear, like, bits and pieces of certain people, but for the most part, I'm really, like, locked in and zoned in, but it's certain voices that I can hear. Like, your trainer is what you obviously. Yeah, my trainer. It could be somebody in a crowd, like, not that bitch out. I'm like, "Bad." Gotcha. I heard you, I heard you. I hear you. Well, I wanna go back to the topic that you were talking about. Someone's still living with me, I was thinking, I still for myself. Sometimes I look at my own. I ordered myself, I'm like, who spent that $50,000? Like, you bought that. Oh, shit, I guess I did. There's nobody else to blame, but I'm like, now at my age of 42, I have kids, whatever, it's like, I sometimes go like, well, money is to buy things and to get things you need, and to buy things you want, and experiences. But you can't, I guess you can want out of things you want. I like buying conversation piece things. That's a good point. 'Cause you learn about people. Yes, and also, that, like, memories seems like it's more valuable than currency. 100%, so when you can show, like, I was at a bookstore one time, I was in Santorini, and I said, "What rare books do you have?" And he said, "I have a pencil signed Picasso piece." Like, it's a book, a George Macy from Macy's, used to have like an underground book club, or like, he sent books to 1200 friends, right? And like, he would have the most popular artists of that time redesign the classic story. So like, you know, Dali would do like Peter Pan, or whatever. And I'm not saying that's what he did, but the one that I had bought was a Greek story, and it was illustrated by Picasso, and he signed it in pencil, and it was 35 grand, and I was like, "I'll take it." And that's 35 grand, so it's a lot of money, but like, everybody that comes in my house, was like, "Tell me about that." 100%. Like, there's a, and you could take an eraser and he raised this Picasso signature just like that, and it's, so I, you know, even down to like, a wallpaper in my house, it's ridiculous. It's like a pink leopard's face all over, you know, like, but it's conversation pieces, and it's memory itself. I like spending money on something a little bit more than just like the-- - 'Cause in the end, that's all you have, is not-- - Yeah, just got meaning to that. It's got such a deeper meaning that just like, going out and buying something that's accessible to other people, right, going and buying that watch, or that car, or whatever it is. That's like a, it's a different thing. It's like what he did in the city. That's what I'm saying, like, he provided these nights that we walked away with him. We're like, "Bro, Johnny, football is in there. He bought the whole bar out for everybody." - It was crazy, you know, like, and I'm 26 or something, what are you doing? It's like-- - For sure. - It's like, he provided a memory for everybody. - But you still feel 100%. - Glow, were you on that cycle of like, as you said, 2022, just got popping, you know, just dropped a song. Like, making money's about to make a lot more, and that whole pendulum, like, what makes you happy and what is money playing? That is always a difficult thing to navigate. Where are you on that? - Well, of course, people always say money came by happening to shit. (laughing) But me, like, I'm still a cheapest book. Like, I still, like, look at a bottle of water and if he's pulled out of that, I'd be like, "What the fuck am I?" Give me the $2 bottle, like, I'm cheap as hell, like, and I ain't going to lie, like, my first year, I blew up this was before I got that accounting. I was just spending money, like, and I'm like, okay, I'm getting it, I'm making it, but I'm spending it too, so, like, I really want just, in tune, like, he was saying, like, you want just looking at it like that. And so, got it here, got me in accounting and stuff. And so, like, now he hear me, like, navigate my money more. And so, now, once I actually see that I'm spending it, I ain't going to lie, sometimes, I be spending a lot of money, I don't even want to look at my bank account, 'cause I just know I spend too much money. - Welcome to the club, I do, (laughing) I don't look at it, don't look at it all the time. I never look at it. - I swear to God, I have to lie, I know I just win. You know, weekend, I ain't even looking at my bank account. - I just don't go back to work, fuck it. - What do you say, when you got the thing, you got to do what? - What? - We got to make more, that's the only option. - David, I'm going to get it right back, but I feel like I don't even look at what I just need to my bank account Friday, like, I know how fuck you know. - By the way, machine gun Kelly, I could listen to your stuff and be like, oh, he's obviously a talented rapper, but that's not my style. So I wrote you over and this is, I can't be a thing, 'cause that's just not, I'm not a wild dude. Everybody knows me, no, I'm calm. I mean, so I'm like, that's not my style. But then when I started studying you as a person, and got to know you much later, I'm like, oh, this is that, and now listening to you just now, like, oh, I think things are like memories, like, oh, I'm like, no, you and I are the same type of, literally the same type of person, but I know, was there a moment for you where you were like, oh, this character that I've created, I now need to be just me and MGK, like, absolutely. - There's something, I burn it was it just over time. - Well, one, I got on, like, you know, I so much, I envy glow, 'cause she came out with F&F, and it just seemed like she was herself already. Like, that felt like she's standing on that, right? Like, I grew up in front of the camera was very young, 19, 18, 19, 20. Me, Wiz Khalifa and Soldier Boy, I believe, were the first rappers to ever start, like, YouTube vlogs. Like, we were the first ones ever doing, And, you know, you put videos of you up at 18, 19. Like, you're an idiot. Of course. You know, like-- It's gonna be a bunch of dumb shit. 100%. And, you know, and then growing up in front of cameras from 20 to all of a sudden, I had no parents. I had, I had, you know, my idols are like, I mean, you know. Of course. Lil Wayne, Miley Pro, whoever. I don't know, name it. Like, these are people that you're like, all right, I gotta be like this. Dude, I'm like a dork. I'm like, you know, I'm like a kid who, like, doesn't know anything. I'm just like a lost boy trying to find something to belong to, you know? Like, and music was always that for me. And so, you wrote me off at a stage, but then I grew. And then maybe some people found me at that stage, or maybe some people wrote me off then. There's an album called Hotel Diablo. And it came right after, like, a very infamous beef I had. It's my most proud album I had. And it did really well as well, but it was written off. Like, no critics would review it. It was kind of like, people had a bad taste in their mouth, so they're like, no. But if you listen to my voice, my voice is even different. And I learned, when I was in a studio session with Farrell, this was recently, but I learned, like, you know, your voice reflects like where you are in life, like, my voice. On Wild Boy, it was very constricted. It didn't, it was, it was like an affect I had. Now, my voice is pure. It sounds like who I am. You know, it's like, it's grounded in itself. And Farrell taught you that? I mean, I noticed it when I hear those albums. I listen to Hotel Diablo, and I'm like, damn, like, I love, I'm a fan of that album. I love that album. And then when Farrell was saying, like, because I couldn't hit a false set up, we were trying to do a song. I couldn't hit a false set up. And, you know, he was just like the more truth you bring into your body, like the less you constrict yourself, I am in an interesting position of now trying to gain people back who I might have lost. Because, you know, MGK, it's a very famous name and face. But like, ultimately, why I got in this game is the respect. I don't want to lose anybody. I want everybody to be like broken, wrapped his ass off. He makes questions. Yeah, you are, for sure. Something he said I want to talk to you about was like, people writing you off. You obviously had the WBC, WBC, where you're not working with them fighting for athletes, right? But you're the issue, I think Canelo went through it. A false positive, a false positive of like testing for something that was bad and it was false. Do you think people wrote you off when that happened and how's it been going through that? I think that was part of it. But I feel like I've been written off, you know what I mean? I think because what I offer and what I bring to the sport is different. And they want to know why, why are you this good? Why are you able to do one, two, and three? Be able to talk, be able to fight, be able to look good doing it, all these things. You know, when people are investing in those things, they're trying to nitpick what they can do to take you down in the sense. And I feel like at the biggest stage of my career, you know, I'm hit with this scandal of this false positive. And I'm like, yo, this is wild. So I would say that period of nine months, you know, boxing has no union. I'm doing this all by myself. How did you find out? Tell us how that false positive happened and who called you? Yes. So, you know, I have my homecoming fight in July in Detroit. Awesome show, sold out show is amazing. We've been waiting for that moment for a long time. And, you know, we was in July, August, I got a phone call, my manager called me, he's in London. You know, we're in negotiation stage at this point. We've been in negotiations with resigning for four months, you know. Just, just backstory. That's what that is. And, you know, I get a phone call and it's crazy because how I look have always looked. I have a natural built. This is how I've always looked as a, as a four year old with swear, with muscles. You know, you look like a strong kid. I wasn't one of those strong, strong kids on the playground. You know, say it was just not your norm, you know what I mean? So, you know, as an adult, you know, I get this phone call. And they're like, yeah, you tested, you tested positive for steroids. I'm like, is this a fucking joke? I know this is a joke. My heart just sank because I'm like, wow, like something that I knew could potentially happen just because of how I looked. I was already pre-judged, you know what I'm saying? And I'm an athlete of integrity. I'm great at what I do. I'm blessed at what I do. So again, when you're great at something, people want to, they want to take you down. So, you know, whatever I get the phone calls, I'm like, dang, you know, now that's about to be out in the news. And I had to get my own lawyers. I had to get experts. I did the whole nine and spent my own money on this thing. Again, boxing doesn't have a union. And when you're a woman in the sport, you know how women's sports are already. And then in the boxing game, it's even worse. We're not treated with equality when it comes to pay. And just the respect of what I do. I train just as hard as these men as my male counterparts, like, I'm blessed to have them to work with. But it's like, let's put some respect on the real issue. You know what I'm saying? We are both going in that ring, risking our lives, you know, with eight ounce of gloves on no head gear. For your entertainment. These things happen in sports. False positive happen. So we need to make sure that this doesn't happen again, that we're doing proper testing. What company's testing you? What precautions are they taking? The relation why it was, what happened? They contaminated. No, no, no. I mean, like, I had to do that. Did you feel any sort of indication when WBC came out and said, hey, it could have been a false positive? Yeah, absolutely. Because I was able to talk to them. So what's great about the WBC is that we have a great relationship. And I explained to them, they were able to hear me out. They were able to look at the evidence that I provided to the sanctioned bodies stating that I have always been a clean athlete, that I represent clean athletes in a clean program. Because again, I'm an advocate. There's young girls and kids looking up to me and representation matters. And I want to make sure that this doesn't happen again and that athletes are taking pre-procautions when it comes to testing. Testing does need to happen. I'm all for that. But we also need to look at the bigger kind of parts on what testing companies are reusing and things like that, and athletes doing maybe testing on the side, because this shouldn't happen. Sure, no. You just shouldn't. When you listen to that story, it's like, shit can happen and blink of an eye, you're like, something changes. Man. Totally out of your fucking control. Like, well, do you ever think about that now? Because obviously, everything seemed to happen to you so fast, do you ever get nervous? I mean, I be super cautious. But then I got a great team, like, I'm actually glad I signed to him. I feel like just one of the best decisions I made right now, because he always got to have everything. Got it. He a hood nigga. He from the hood, but he got a lot of sense. He's super smart. And so I'm glad I got him. And my team is an engine behind me. They always tell me what not to do. Sometimes I might get carried away and be like, no, I fucked it. I'm gonna do this. But they always tell me, right, if I do something wrong, we'll be because, you know, my ego sometimes, but for the most part, they keep me on point. And I'm always looking out too. Like, I ain't just no crash dummy, so I be looking out. And what's like one time where they was telling you to do this and you was like, fuck it, I'm gonna do this. And then you came back and was like, actually, they were right. Get out the end of it. And I stayed on it. [LAUGHTER] That sound like me, like, get on top of it. That's it. Don't get on top of the team. Don't. That's it. Do not get on there. Like, I saved you, though. And I was like, I did it for like five minutes. I said, you fucked it. I got it. I got it. I got it. You can never win on Twitter. But you can never win on Twitter. You can. They're too good. No, seriously. Come back. You can never win. [LAUGHTER] But the day LeBron was wrapping your shit, you definitely got on that day, because everybody's seeing that shit. Oh, you know, like, it was so crazy to me. I thought it was fate. Really? Yeah, I thought it was fate. I thought maybe somebody like, I ain't gonna lie. I thought somebody called him and told him to do it or something, because I didn't think he was doing it. Like I said, LeBron don't be doing it to air bad music. So I'm like, um. Ah! I like I was gay. [LAUGHTER] Well, that's like a universal feeling when you have LeBron, like, do something for you, though. Like, I remember when we did the teas with Nike, and then you sent me a picture of, like, of him and the money man's L.T., and I was like, you photoshopped that shit. [LAUGHTER] I thought, like, real live. I think that's like the LeBron effect of the whole thing. But he fucked with the shitty fucker. He don't. Yeah. His mom named him as a glow too. I didn't even ask him about it. Oh, yeah. Did you know that? His mom's name is Glory. Like yours for sure. And you just got invited to the White House by the way, right? Yeah. So shit, everything is happening, bro. [LAUGHTER] Everything is happening. You got invited to the White House. You know, being a girl from Memphis, you know, that I really never happened before. So I was, I just feel super blessed. And I feel like God is just saying, He's light on me. I feel highly fated with because everybody don't get invited to the White House. Of course. And like I said, coming from where I come from, it didn't even in my profession, like, you know, a girl from Memphis, you know, from the ghetto and being able to be invited to the White House. Like, that was everything to me. Well, I don't know if you caught. That was an incredible quote that came out of that visit. [LAUGHTER] That set Twitter on fire. We talked about Twitter. [LAUGHTER] About Twitter. And it was at the end of the day. The day got a hit. [LAUGHTER] That's what they love. So rock, whoever. Thank you, God. [LAUGHTER] It's called Don't Lie To Me. 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