John Kiriakou's REACTION to Satanic Supra Elites, CIA Covert Ops, & Epstein

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I've done the same thing. Right? That's been my response. Like, come on. You have evidence? So now when you read it, are you like me where you're like, well, I can't rule this out anymore? I will say I've got a great friend, Ben Swan, terrific investigative journalist who was laser focused on Pizzagate. And Pizzagate always sounded so insane to me. Mm-hmm. That I was like, come on, man. What are you doing? You're going to kill your career with this Pizzagate thing. First of all, the pizza place doesn't even have a basement where they're keeping kids. Right? And this clown from North Carolina drives up with an AR-15 or whatever it was, AK-47, and shoots the place up. And then he can't find a basement where the kids are being kept as sex slaves. And he gives himself up. And then we see these emails last week about, you know, take a Viagra and then we'll go get some pizza. Yeah. And grape soda. Ha, ha, ha. It's nuts. I can't believe it in some of these cases. And, you know, the code word usage. Yes. The other thing, John, that's so sinister is it's almost like it was a giant, you know, fuck you meme to everyone. Like the worst sadistic kind because you have a guy emailing from an account called JEE Vacation. Like you can't even make this up. That's like what your grandpa would make on an auto. AOL account back in 1999 when he wanted to be hit to make an email. You know what I mean? And they talk so flippantly. Like forget the most sadistic stuff where they're talking about children and the awful things they're doing to them like that. But they talk so flippantly about the world. And it had me rethinking what George Carlin once said. I always quote it. Everyone always quotes it. It's a big club and you're not in it. That's right. I think we have to fix the quote. It's a little club and you're not in it. Is that fair? We didn't even realize this little club existed within the big club. I think that is fair. Yeah. 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What do you think of what Tucker said about this revealing perhaps some sort of super government like S-U-P-R-A where he said the people that you thought were the highest actually just work for the people who work for the people that are the highest? Isn't that the truth? I think he's on to something. You know, Tucker's another guy who has been very deliberate about all this. He was never one to jump on rumor. He was always one of the guys who demanded to see evidence before he took a position. And I think even he is shocked by what has been released. And, you know, there are a million other little strings that haven't been pulled yet. Don't forget, there are still reportedly between three and 3.3 million documents. That have not yet been released. Yes. That Pam Bondi has said won't be released. She's going to defy a bill passed 419 to 1 in the House and 99 to nothing in the Senate and signed by the president. And she's just going to say, no, I'm not going to do what the bill commands me to do and release these documents. Do you think she's saying that or that's coming from above her? It has to be coming from above her. It has to be. One of these little strings. That I've been trying to focus on involves Catherine Remler, who was the Obama administration's White House counsel. Eleven thousand five hundred emails. First of all, what the fuck? Right. Like, does she do nothing all day long as the White House counsel other than chit chat with Jeffrey Epstein? Number one. Number two, there's one. There's one email that she sent him saying John Brennan, the CIA director, gave me. The CIA's highest honor today. Pretty cool, huh? Or pretty great, huh? And then she tries repeatedly to set up a lunch between Jeffrey Epstein and John Brennan. Why? To what end? And there's a bigger question here, too. And that is, what kind of judgment did these people exercise? This woman is supposed to be the president's personal legal advisor, his personal attorney. And this is what she's doing. And I have a theory that I'm confident about. Why would she be so close to John Brennan, of all people? Because every Tuesday morning at seven o'clock, John Brennan chaired the kill list meeting. And we know that the kill list committee was chock full of attorneys, White House, NSC, CIA, DOJ, just to make sure that, yeah, you can legally go out and just kill these people this week. And then we'll meet up again on Tuesday and come up with another list of people to kill. She was on the kill list committee. I'm confident of it. So she's either murdering people or she's chit-chatting with Jeffrey Epstein. Again, what kind of judgment do these people have? And then where did she go? She became the general counsel at Goldman Sachs. That's right. That's right. At least they had the presence of mind to say, you got to go. You can't. You can't survive this. I will say this. They should have done that a few years ago. Ages ago when it was first released that she was in touch with Jeffrey Epstein. That's right. You're absolutely right. That's right. And like, you know, there's just some, there's revelations of people that had stronger relationships to the point that you know they were personally in his life. And I want to come back to Rumler in a minute because that's a big story. But like Lawrence Krauss, I've said this a million times, sat in that chair two years ago. Got connected. Got connected with him through someone else that was on the podcast. He's a physicist. And then when he was coming in here, we knew he had known Jeffrey Epstein. I asked him about it on the podcast. He was a nice enough guy. He's got 7,500 emails with Jeffrey Epstein. So like I'd love to be like, you know, and usually like I have a policy of not really talking against like people who have been in here and stuff like that. It's just like a part of the job. Let other people do that. But journalistically, like you have to do this. And I'm not planning on reaching out to. Lawrence to ask him about this or whatever. But when you are coordinating with someone that much over all these years and we found out he was trying to get Jeffrey Epstein on the Joe Rogan experience in 2017, you know, it's like, you know, bro, at that point, you know, and he said in the past, he was quoted as saying like, you know, well, I only ever saw Jeffrey around young women who were 21 or 22. So I assumed that I believed him, took him at his word when he said. Because that's exactly what Peter Mendelsohn said until the picture was released of him in his underwear with a 16 year old, not realizing that he was being photographed. That's right. And it's got it's it's got to be said. Like when you see there's other people that are in the emails where I don't really see anything and it's only a couple emails and they don't really seem to like know him well. And I'm like, all right, it's weird, but all right. But to bring it back to Kathy now, 11,500. Very interesting that you put two and two together. With the kill list, which leads to my question. And again, some of this has to be theorizing. John and I. Sure. We weren't fucking there. So we don't know. We don't know. But do you think that Kathy, before we get to the origins of Jeffrey Epstein and go through all that, do you think it was that Kathy is a rising star attorney becoming kind of like fixer, especially once she got into the Obama orbit when he gets into office? Do you think someone like that was just very clearly a target for Jeffrey and he then actually. Possibly befriended her and then because of the connections he had, she trusted him and with information related to things like, I don't know, perhaps a kill list. I think that's likely because if you're hearing from people like Alan Dershowitz, what a great guy Jeffrey Epstein is, right? And, you know, that's your best friend. Yeah, you love him. Yeah, we yeah, we really love each other. Again, what kind? What kind of judgment do these people have if you're like the most important constitutional attorney in the world? then maybe you should keep your pants on in the presence of a 16-year-old girl. Your defense that you kept your underwear on, that's not a defense. It's not a defense. You know, I was on the Piers Morgan show with him, I don't know, six, eight months ago, and Piers called it Smackdown afterwards because I think I rattled him. I rattled Dershowitz. He said the most ridiculous thing. I said that I was confident that Epstein was a Mossad access agent, and I believe that I've been proven correct. I believe that I underestimated his contact with intelligence services. We could talk about that all day long. But I'm positive that he was an Israeli agent of some sort, and Dershowitz just jumped all over me. And then he shouted. See? This is what he does. He interrupts to try to knock you off balance. But he shouted the most ridiculous thing, and I laughed at him. He said that he was Epstein's attorney, and if Epstein was a spy for the Mossad, he could have gone to the White House, and he could have gotten him a lighter sentence. And it's like, I would have hung him from a tree. No, John. I would have hung him from a tree. That's right. That's right. Like, you think going to the White House and admitting that your client is spying, for a foreign power, on you, that's going to get him leniency. I saw, we can't play it because it actually has, like, copyrighted music in the background, but I was just looking when, right before you got here, that clip popped up in my feed of him saying that. And it was actually, I don't know if you noticed this, because you were just on Zoom, like, going back and forth, but we can watch it afterwards and see everything. You could tell as he was getting through it, once he had said CIA or Mossad, and then said, I could have gone straight to the White. He went like, oh, crap. Oh, whoops. Cat's out of the bag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you just see Basim Youssef, like, he was good. Anyone else get that? It was like, whoa. Yeah. But that's the thing, John. And I've talked about this a bunch recently. It's like, you're Greek-American, right? You're born here. Born here. You're a dual citizen, right? Yes. But you're someone who served the American government. Oh, I only became a dual citizen. I was a dual citizen in 2010. That's right. Okay. So you're even closer generationally. I'm like fourth generation or something like that. I'm half Italian, half Irish. No disrespect to the Irish side. I love my Irish fans out there. You know, I never identify with the culture. The food kind of sucks. I go out of my way to not celebrate St. Patrick's Day. It kind of is what it is. It's not a part of my family cultural history. Right. And so, like, if something happened with Ireland tomorrow, I'd be like, oh, that's really bad. That's really sad. But my life would go on. On the other hand, the Italian side, that's my family culture on both sides. I have lived in the country. I have family in the country. I love that place. It's amazing. If tomorrow, though, as an American born, Italian, Irish, American, if the American government came to me and said, listen, Jules, some shit went down last night and it turns out we are at war with Italy. Will you, before the question comes out, like, will you fight for us or them? No. I have on my American fatigues in AK-47 and I'm taking the nearest plane, train, or automobile to get the fuck over to Italy and mow down whatever Mario and Luigi's get my way in the wrong uniform. I'm going to hate it. I'm going to hate it, but I'm going to do it. Yes. And there's a lot of people whose names ended in a vowel in 1943 whose parents didn't even speak English who did the same thing. And they did exactly that. And there are many American Jews who would say the same thing about America. I take issue. It's not about the race. I take issue with anyone like an Alan Dershowitz who you know. You know, goddamn well, American born dude who's made his whole life here. You know, goddamn well, if you asked him that question, you get a blank stare and you change the subject and you know what the answer is. Or even just accuse you of being an anti-Semite. That's right. I couldn't agree with you more. I don't trust him. I don't like him. Frankly, I don't know anybody that trusts him. He's just not the kind of guy that instills trust. Yeah. And the thing about him that I have to give him. Is that ever since the Epstein story like first came out, he is one of the only people, if not maybe the only guy like from that orbit who will get in front of whatever camera is rolling to discuss the case directly. I will give him that. I will also give him that as an attorney, he did represent the guy. He has a job to do there. Yeah. Whether we like it or not. But David Boyce was on the other. He and I were both on Pierce the other day and he made an important point because David Boyce is one of the most important criminal defense attorneys in America. And he said that Dershowitz was more than just his attorney. He was his friend and that's fine. You can be friends with, with your clients, even if your clients are scumbags, but he was Epstein's publicist and that's not fine. He was for all intents and purposes. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Did, did you happen to see him? Did you happen to see Les Wexner's testimony? I'm glad you brought that up, John. Did you catch the hot mic moment? If you say more than five words, I'm going to fucking kill you. Yes, I did catch that. I loved it. How about the fucking, the reaction? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Boy, Les Wexner. I, I would have so many questions for Les Wexner. There aren't enough hours in the day. Right. What would, what would be the first question? What would possess you to hire a seventh grade substitute math teacher who had never finished college to be tax advisor when you are the richest man in the state of Ohio? There wasn't one person in the entire United States of America for you to hire to advise you on your taxes than a seventh grade substitute math teacher who didn't finish college. There wasn't one person in the entire United States of America for you to hire to advise you on your taxes than a seventh grade substitute math teacher who didn't finish college unless you were also having sex with him. Oh, I didn't see that curveball coming at the end. That kind of just hit me. Which, which he has consistently denied. He has. You see his reaction to that with his face when they did bring that up in a separate question, I might add. They're like, did you ever, first of all, he's like leaning forward like this whole time. And they're like, did you ever, did you ever have sexual relations with Jeffrey Epstein? He's like, I was like, I need a body language expert on that one. I don't know. And you know what he did? According to Vanity Fair, as, as soon as people started asking that question, he ran out and got married. The guy was, you know, well into adulthood and had never been married. And then as soon as people started saying, I wonder if Wes, uh, Les Wexner is gay. He ran out and got married. See, this is what's strange about that. And particularly not, I can't speak for Les Wexner at all. But on the. Other side of the equation, because these files, to be clear, seem to show it's girls, boys, children, just in general. Anything went. But on the other side of the equation, in all the testimony, witnesses, people who were around Jeffrey Epstein coming forward, I have never heard something where it involved a male, period. It was always. No. Young women. That's right. Or little girls. Right. So for him to be, this would be a, you know, a, a gay relationship or encounter like that. And that, I mean, I guess totally, I guess nothing's off the table, but it's a, that's always been like a little bit of a red herring for me. Like, I wonder if it's like Les is doing stuff with people that Jeffrey's providing. And that, that could very well have been it as well. Mm-hmm. So you asked that question though. About why you'd hire a Dalton math teacher. And you give him so much money that he ends up with. Power of attorney. And, and power of attorney. He ends up with the widest townhouse in all of Manhattan. You ever stood outside that place? I went once. Yeah. It's gigantic. Yeah. I give the demented tour of New York City. That's cool. People coming in town. That's cool. That would be fun. We stand there, but it's a big place. Yeah, it is. You ever see, look at the Google Maps and see how far it goes back? No. I've seen it. No, I'll do that. Lutnick's house is like half the size. Wow. It's nuts. We'll get to Lutnick. Wow. But this was an answer related to the first half of your question, John. So let's let this play right here, Deef. Why Les Wexner hired Jeffrey Epstein? He did personal work for the Rothschild family in France. Well, specifically, I talked to Elie de Rothschild, since I mentioned that earlier. So he represented their whole families. There have been a whole bunch of people. Most of them I never would have met, but I knew Elie. He would say, like, I'm providing financial advice to the founders of Google. I'm providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos. To be clear, that was later. Answer the question. Okay. That's good. That was later. when he did that that wasn't from that answer right there but And it seemed to me when you see the – there's a full four-minute version of that as well that what Wexner was saying, whether it's true or not is certainly a question. But what he was saying is that he was really hitting at the point that like because he personally talked to some of the members of the Rothschilds family and they confirmed at the time this allegedly being in the mid to late 80s, something like that, that they were in fact working with Jeffrey on whatever basis they were. He decided to do it. Those are bona fides. Yeah. Yeah. So first of all, do you believe that or do you think there's more there? Oh, there's got to be more there. So far in this entire story, nothing has been as it seemed. Nothing. There's been more behind all of it, behind every revelation. And if only half of it's been released and we're flipping out over what we've seen so far, what's the other half include? And why wasn't it released? Is it even worse than what we've seen? Is it just a continuation of what we've seen? I will say that there are a lot of very important people out there who have questions that need to be answered. I hate that the statute of limitations is a problem here. I hate that very much. Where is the statute of problems specifically? A problem in that this stuff can't be prosecuted. Which stuff? Like child sex crimes. Really? Yeah. There aren't going to be any charges against anybody. There are going to be civil suits. But nobody's going to be charged with a crime. If you look at even in the UK, the UK has been very straightforward about all this. They have Mandelson now and former Prince Andrew. Andrew was charged with passing a document to Epstein that had to do with British business and trade negotiations. Al Yamama deal. The Al Yamama deal. That's exactly right. And then Mandelson is rumored to have given him something from the defense ministry, which could be a violation. Of the state. The Official Secrets Act. But none of this stuff has to do with sex. We'll come back to the Al Yamama deal because that has to do with like the origins here. I just there is so much on the bone that like it's so hard to stay on one thing. So I apologize to people if we jump around a lot. But like John knows everything about this case. So that'll happen a little bit. But let's stay with Wexner for a minute. So you'd ask him about the source of wealth. Then they have a relationship for at least 20 years. He claims that he cut him off. In 2007. I don't know that I believe that. Right. What else would you ask him? What would be the burning or it to quote Howard Letnick cutting questions. I mean, I would ask questions that I know he wouldn't answer truthfully or honestly, like I would want rundowns of every time he went to that island. There's a reason why literally every room, including the bathrooms were wired. For audio and video. Nobody does that. He said he only went there once on his boat with his family on the record. Right. I hope that's true. I don't believe him. I agree. Not if you've been a not just a friend, but but a close friend, a best friend for more than two decades. You went to the guy's house one time. Come on. It's like Deef was saying with Howard Letnick's answer at Congress, where he's like, I went to the island. It was only for an hour. And I left with my wife. Yeah. Children and our nannies. Yeah. Yeah. Because people fly all the way to the Caribbean for one hour. He's like, he couldn't say Deef's like, you couldn't say you were there for the afternoon. Exactly. I mean, it's a fucking island. Exactly. You know. And that was after Letnick denied that they were close friends. That's it. That one. Look at look at Sarah Ferguson. Now she's in a whole heap of trouble. That's Prince Andrew's ex-wife. Well, we knew for a long time that Jeffrey was like floating. money because they were in debt up to their eyeballs right i have a good friend who represented her uh as as one of her attorneys and he said she was always broke always broke i don't know where the money went how can you be a member of the british royal family and be broke i have no idea that whole thing's sketchy i mean specifically targeting that too and then after he's convicted in 2007 and she says publicly that she's cut him off then she emails him i'm so sorry jeffrey i love you you're the big brother i never had and then she takes her daughters down there to visit him and then lies about it like what kind of hold did he have on people i don't understand this do you think i i don't think this for a second but i have to ask this just so you can at least respond do you think you some of these people might have actually believed him at his word that he's like yeah i accidentally ordered a 17 year old i thought i thought she was 21 do you think it's even possible that they would have believed i think it's possible that they wanted to believe it and then allowed themselves to believe it deep down no unless you're deaf dumb and blind yep uh i can't imagine no plus you know it's not like people don't talk i mean even trump said back in the day jeffrey likes him young too young for my taste yeah a lot of people said there's there's even emails i'm trying to remember who it was with maybe it was actually with mandelson but don't quote me on that where they're going back and forth and jeffrey says take a picture of of you and and send me a picture of you and the little girl or something like that and the guy goes like haha you know i'm not going to yeah sure oh yeah yeah i i interviewed a member of the british parliament a couple days ago for my my own podcast and um and he said this is enough to bring down the british government yeah yeah like judgment what kind of judgment do you people have and look mandelson has always been a scumbag right everybody knew he was a crook he had been credibly accused of you know embezzlement and extortion he's he's just a crook they're out there in politics and so when word surfaced that he was close to jeffrey epstein and you know he had already had to be removed as business minister and from another couple of uh senior positions in the in the british labor party he swore to keir starmer the now the prime minister of the uk swore to him that he barely knew epstein they had met once or twice there was nothing to these rumors and then the emails are released including the photo of him with a 16 year old girl standing in his underwear they're both looking at a laptop so it's clear he does not realize he's being photographed and um and then he had to admit that okay all right you caught me so he's resigned from the house of lords he's been thrown out of the labor party but people aren't just angry at mandelson and also he was recalled as the british ambassador to the united states he's no longer the ambassador they're not angry just at mandelson they're angry at the prime minister because what kind of judgment do you have when everybody in the country knew this guy was a scumbag but because he looked you in the eye and he smiled at you and said oh no no prime minister it's not true none of it's true and then your reaction is okay i'm gonna make you ambassador to the united states of america what goes through their minds so this keir starmer may not last as long as liz truss's head of cabbage this is this is bad i already see the meme on that one yeah so you're also tying into directly what ro khanna said as well and one thing i like about massey and ro khanna is their delivery of the epstein file is the same with the exception of i've never seen massey get worked up like he did at pan bondi and i he rarely gets worked up i was happy but he genuinely dislikes pan oh yeah she's a liar but ro khanna will just like these two guys massey and ro khanna will just like deliver this line about the epstein files it's like wait i'm sorry what the fuck did you just say and it's like yeah so uh we found this and there it is all right have a good one they walk out so ro khanna comes out maybe like two three weeks ago and he had just walked out of the doj where they he got to see some of the stuff that they haven't released and he was like yeah so the files show that this poses an existential risk for the entire monarchy system in the uk and then therefore across europe because they're all fucking related yes literally which you know john i obviously we kind of fought a war about that here like 250 years ago i'm not a huge fan of monarchies i wouldn't get a tear about it put a laughing emoji every time the crown prince of greece posts something on facebook i like that yeah crown prince of greece you're not even greek you're danish how dare you shut up get out of here i like that you gotta i'll retweet that when you do it let me know when you do it but it's like the other problem with this and maybe i'm like overthinking this a little bit but these systems are so entrenched yes where from a backdoor economics perspective whether it be real estate holdings financial holdings funnels of money things like that if it all came down at once it could crash the whole system yes that's real i think it's real yeah um i was watching bbc this morning as a matter of fact and they said as recently as three years ago 80 of the british people support the monarchy today 50 of the british people support the monarchy yeah this is they're at a tipping point and if the brits go everybody else is going to go to look at norway whoever even heard of the norwegian royal family but now you got ties to epstein you got the crown princess or crown princess's son to women now he's got to go on trials what kind of people are these like is it really worth it to to prop up these phonies as your as your monarchs no i don't think so of course it's that's not the question here that's not the question it's like like if i were just responding with my anger i'd want the entire system we're not just talking monarchies to just fucking get a reset button that's right right but i also know how much that would affect all of us if it all happened all at once and so that's the strange dance in trying to go through this case how do you find a way to go in with the raid right and hit all the cockroaches right and hit all the cockroaches right and hit all the cockroaches right and hit all the cockroaches but not you know accidentally sprayed in grandma's mouth at the same time and this is where you run into that problem of statutes of limitations again because it would be far easier if you could just prosecute these people right and and show the people of every one of these countries involved that it doesn't matter how famous you are or how important you are we're all equal under the law that's just not going to be the case here all these famous rich people they're all going to get away with it it's sick you don't think anyone in the u.s will go to prison for this i don't you know i was talking to a constitutional attorney about this and he said the only way that this that a prosecution could go forward is if the justice department could successfully argue that the cover-up of the original crime continued and constituted a conspiracy so you couldn't be you couldn't be prosecuted necessarily for the crime itself you would be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit the crime but he said even that is a stretch what with statutes of limitations though what about all the stuff we're seeing like in this latest tranche where these things are occurring with a lot of it between 2011 and 2019 i would think there's not as if if if you were doing cannibalism acts on kids in 2015 like we would be able to prosecute that in some cases on the on the sex cases the statute is five years and so we've missed it which you know what may have been a part of the plan why didn't joe fucking biden release all this information thank you every administration i would argue since clinton has covered this up and that's the thing absolutely yes you have trump in office right now and there's a massive cover-up happening and it should be called out we will call it out it is what it is we'll talk about that more but every administration rd red and blue has had a chance to put this out so all these democrats who are suddenly just jumping on the train here because they can right and they can read a question their intern gave them that's an easy slam dunk because they covered this up it's like i have no energy for those people either this is this is a systemic problem that has happened to where you're just at a point now where the democrats are like well the clintons are so far past time and they're so old yes you know like we now we can throw them under the bus they ain't like that nobody cares anymore right but what about the victims then what how does that benefit the victims in any way and why why you finally get to depose les wexner which how about the fact he was listed as a co-conspirator in the documents and we never knew that and he's never been interviewed never like where was the fbi all these years and another thing too and this this goes back to the very basis of this case epstein got a sweetheart deal in 2006 right and the u.s attorney for the the uh whatever it was the southern district the central district of florida whatever it was i guess it was the central district um has said this is a costa who became labor secretary in trump's first term said that he was ordered to give this this sweetheart deal okay so where do orders come who who's the only person in in the in the system there who can order a u.s attorney to do something that's the attorney general well the attorney general was alberto gonzalez who didn't brush his hair in the morning without permission from the president to the vice president right he was like legendary for his powerlessness and ill suit and suiting for the uh for the position so was it bush was it cheney who was it that was close enough to epstein that he would want to swoop in and save epstein by giving him the sweetheart deal nobody's ever answered that question and acosta apparently genuinely doesn't know the answer his order came down from the attorney general i think i believe him on that i do too i believe him because he said he was totally belonged to intelligence intelligence the line that was the word he belonged to intelligence well this gets into that super government kind of thing because it's like you say bush and cheney which makes a lot of sense to me but now like my whole worldview is just like oh yeah it's ridiculous you know i used to i used to just piss all over people's analysis when they would start talking about the trilateral commission and bilderberg and the shangri-la conference and then somebody to whom i used to be very close used to used to and about whom a court order exists saying i cannot talk about her in any public forum she went to one of those events she was invited because she rose up high enough in the corporate structure that she went and i i couldn't wait to hear what was it like and she said it's a lot of really rich really important people talking about arms deals arms deal it was all about arms deals and she said except for except for davos she went to davos and she said that's where they were all talking about how to manage the global economy and i said so so all that shit's true that they're the ones that sort of set the policy and she said yeah i saw it with my own eyes i but i'm yeah i'm not can you get me allowed to identify who that person is it's on it's on the counter out there usually i've never needed that before but i i may need that today after after hearing that all right so the trilateral commission for people out there who are unfamiliar this is something that's been written about a lot in the past and once again it's something that's always written off like oh god this is another conspiracy theory well but it's not right so fast it's all it's a real thing it is they even have a website they have a website we pull up the trilateral commission and bilderberg they list all the people that attend but by name all these people and you'll recognize 80 of them oh man well i mean i guess that's hiding in plain sight but it's something where i i guess what i should say is the connotation of it was where the conspiracy theorists would be saying something and people would be like no it's just this group it's the reds david rockefeller like i know right rionda rothschild you know and yeah listen they we put clinton on it he was he was bored after he left office you know and then you get epstein in this this sit down with steve bannon we will talk about him but you get epstein saying yeah i was on the uh trilateral commission and here's how i got on and he makes it sound so simple yeah right i'm like how do you even get there buddy you're a kid from coning island somebody taps you on the shoulder next thing you know you're getting an email oh dave can you put the camera on john yeah i i see what you're waiting son of a bitch really i knew it but really yeah it was very good in there it was very disappointing to me you can't talk about that by court ordered no sir yeah i already didn't like her no i really don't like her but wow wow yeah this is the life i've given myself and i'm just yeah yeah this is life i've given myself okay so back to the oh wait sweetheart deal because we're talking about where that would come from you know i'm trying to not let my brain run too wild with now every possible answer is right all over here it's all like absolutely the worst thing ever but clearly some of the answers are there so without getting to his origin story yet because that's again we're going to do that but you talk about at the trilateral commission they are going over arms deals and everything and now this is entering your world of things that you have witnessed around the world and how shit works what is it about arms deals that would make it the number one priority for the quote-unquote illuminati well of the world of the pentagon's one trillion dollar budget fully a third goes to weapons and weapons systems right that's just for us so couple that with what we're able to sell to other countries whose leaders are at these conferences i mean that we're talking about you know probably a majority of the american economy year after year after year that's how we employ americans i read something recently oh the washington post the new york times that the pentagon has assiduously placed manufacturers or i shouldn't say placed manufacturers they have placed orders with manufacturers in literally every one of the 435 congressional districts so literally every single member of congress has constituents who are dependent on the defense economy on the defense budget and so there's no incentive for any member of congress to vote no on dod and also paid by all those companies yeah sure i mean it costs what five eight ten twenty million dollars to run for congress every two years that money's got to come from somewhere so it comes from defense department packs they buy them off on the micro and they're not going to pay for it and they're not going to pay for it and they're not going to pay for it and then it wins them the macro when you put the numbers together yeah deep would you pull up here just confirming all right so the washington post reports that the pentagon structurally distributes manufacturing and contracting across almost every congressional district to secure broad local political support making budget cuts difficult the strategy embeds defense spending into the local economy with analysis showing that despite a high concentration of funds among top contractors the broader supply chain is deeply embedded in domestic districts a friend of mine um has a little kind of little mom and pop manufacturing plant in beaver county pennsylvania aerotine international no no no it's a little just a little place you've never heard of got it and he mentioned something to me one time oh this is probably five years ago he mentioned that he is entirely dependent on the pentagon and i was like the pentagon i said for what oh i can't tell you it's classified program i said seriously george like i thought he was making you know heels for shoes or something i didn't know what he was making and then later on he told me like no it's this little widget that fits inside you know the the motor for a you know patriot missile or something like that nice and it's like in in beaver county and he's like yeah and then when i saw that report in the washington post i was like oh of course it all makes sense what percentage of the tribe bilateral commission, if you had to broadly guess, do you think is influenced by bankers around the world? Oh, all of it. Yeah. Yeah. All of it. Sure. The reason I asked that is because, again, I love this supra term that Tucker came up with. I think it's spot on. Right. So presidents of the power countries around the world, the ones that actually matter at the UN, right? So think like US, China, Russia. And then, you know, the people below them, too. But above that, you got, let's say, the fixer class, like the Epstein's of the world, who really hold the power to pull the strings on the President of Ante right here, who are the presidents and kings and all that shit. And then above that, you have the people who finance them and the people who finance them as bankers. If you want to look at this this way, and it's fair to do it right now, look at things. Like financing wars to make money and profit off death, which also, we could even get into the conversation of them trying to manage population control in doing so. Is that a ridiculous statement? I think that's a conversation that ought to be out there. Yeah. What makes you think we should have that conversation? Like what kinds of things that you've heard? Population control and even the reverse of that is something that is now making headlines. I read an article just in the past week or two that China, basically, does not have 1.1 billion people, that they've consistently lied about their population, and that they probably have something closer to 650 million or 700 million people. But they want the rest of the world to believe that they have all these people, because it makes the case for these strong economic numbers that they're always putting out, which also are probably not true. A country like Greece, Greece is in trouble, because Greece went through a civil war, and Greece is in trouble, because Greece went through a civil war, and Greece is in trouble, because Greece went through this very long-term economic, it was a depression. It wasn't even a recession, it was a depression. And so much of the educated middle class, doctors, lawyers, engineers, businessmen, they just left. They went to the US, the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany. And so there almost is no middle class or no upper middle class in Greece. It just left. Well, the economy then is unsustainable, because there's nobody there to create jobs. There was a piece, oh, years ago, in the Washington Post saying, if you look at the shrinkage in Russia's population, if it keeps declining at its current rate, you're going to like this. In 150 years, there won't be any Russians. They just won't exist anymore. What's the State Department going to do? I know, right? Then what do you do? Now, of course, immigration changes that, that calculus. But, you know, we're talking about the, the possible, what's, what's the word? The possibility that countries just can no longer remain viable as countries without real population changes. I told you about my encounter with David Rockefeller, did I not? You did not tell me about that. No. I was, I was working in Bahrain, in the American embassy. I was the economic officer. And I was a longtime subscriber to this magazine called Art News Magazine. And I read this article about David Rockefeller being given this major, like, art world award for the work that he's done over the course of, you know, 75 years, or whatever it was, for art in New York. And then we get a cable from the State Department saying that David Rockefeller is coming to Bahrain because he's being given an award by the Bahraini American Bankers Association. And the ambassador comes into my office, David Ransom, wonderful, wonderful ambassador, lovely human being, one of the best bosses I ever had. And he said, hey, we got a cable from, from State saying that David Rockefeller's coming out to Bahrain. He's going to collect this award from the Bankers Association. I said, the Bankers Association? And he said, yeah, I want you to be his control officer. I said, I'd love to be his control officer. What that means is you arrange the car, you arrange the, the hotel, you make sure he gets from point A to point B, and just make, make sure there are no problems. If he wants to go shopping, you take him shopping, you do anything he wants. I welcomed it. Well, as soon as the Bahrainis heard that David Rockefeller was coming, His Highness the Emir announces, we're going to do a state dinner, right? So the entire cabinet, the entire royal family, the entire diplomatic corps, all the ambassadors, all the credited diplomats, this is a major event, like the biggest social event of the year. It's at his main palace. They're like 500 people there. So I go and I was saving my congrats. See, I thought I was very clever. I was just a stupid kid. So I saved my, my congratulations for his award for the receiving line. So I say to the Emir, it's such a pleasure to see you, Your Highness. And I said, the Prime Minister, we didn't like each other very much. Like, you know, hello. Hello. He would always say, hello, Kiriakou. Yeah. And then he would kind of stare at me. You're like the spy version of a Veep episode. I don't know if anyone ever told you that. And then it comes David Rockefeller. And I said, Mr. Rockefeller, I want to congratulate you on your, you know, whatever it was called, award. Oh, he lights up. Thank you so much. I'm so proud of that award, the Guggenheim and the madness. And then I, you know, go. And then the next night, he collects his award from the Bankers Association and he leaves. So we had a nine o'clock meeting in the embassy every day. It was, you know, the ambassador, the deputy chief of mission and the heads of all the departments. So I'm in there in the morning meeting. And the ambassador said, So the Rockefeller visit went very well. And I said, because I'm an idiot, I said, why would a guy who's almost 100 years old fly halfway around the world to collect a little trophy from some bankers that he's never met before? And the ambassador goes like this. He goes, John, John, you're supposed to be the smart one. I said, what? What am I missing? He's like, he didn't come for the bankers award. That was his cover stuff. And I said, so what was he doing here? He said, David Rockefeller is the secret back channel to Saddam Hussein. He came here to make it look like he had business in the Middle East. We put him on a military transport this morning and sent him to Baghdad to tell Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein to cut it out or you're going to get a bomb up your ass. And then he flew back from Baghdad. And I was like, man, I have a lot to learn. That didn't impact your worldview a little bit. Oh, yeah, it sure did. Like things are not what they seem. Might be an inappropriate thing to say these days, but that's like a Jay-Z line. Yeah. We got Rockefeller out there with Saddam. Yeah. Boss. Yeah, that's. I'm friendly with his daughter now. And she. Rockefeller. Yeah, Abby Rockefeller. She's very, very sweet. No, no, no. She's a communist. And yeah, Abby's great. She went to Harvard in the 60s and became a communist and rebelled against her family. And she gives all of her money to left wing charities and concerns. She's fantastic. That's too good. Keep going. I'm sorry. No. No, I mentioned the story to her and she said, yeah, that sounds exactly like something my dad would do. Yeah. What do I know? Yeah. I guess while she went the opposite way, I give her that, I guess. But how'd you become friends with her? I'm on the board of Covert Action Magazine and she's a supporter of the magazine. No kidding. That's not Covert Action Magazine. That doesn't sound sketchy at all. It was founded by Philip Agee, who the CIA tried to assassinate for decades. No. He was a CIA case officer who saw what covert actions were doing to innocent people in Latin America in the late 60s. And so he went public and wrote a book called Inside the Company. And as an appendix at the back of the book, he listed the names of every CIA officer he ever encountered and outed everybody and then took off for Cuba. And the CIA hunted him down from country to country to country. They finally gave up. He died in Cuba, I don't know, 10 years ago, 20 years ago. And his son has kept the magazine going. And the co-founder of the magazine, Lou Wolfe, shout out to Lou, who's now like 87 or 88 years old. He's a good friend of mine. This was Lou's baby with Philip Agee and the magazine's still a monthly concern. I write for it every month. Do you think. We have so many examples of where covert actions were just taken for like imperialism purposes or just because we felt like overthrowing government. There's actually a Wikipedia page. Let's pull it up. Yeah. CIA covert action. Wikipedia. The first one was the 1949 Italian election. Right. With the communists. There was a deleted scene in The Godfather that Francis Coppola put in there where Michael's walking in the fields with Fabrizio. Yeah. And he. And he sees it in the hillsides of Corleone. And he sees the red like little army of, you know, communist supporters right there. And he's like, qué faccio or whatever. And Fabrizio's like, comunisti. And that was right around the. It's taking place right around the time where that was going to be a thing where they were going to come in and take over the power vacuum post Mussolini with the opposite side. And then CIA is like. No, no, you don't. And that covert action operation. It was the first one. And it's been declassified by the CIA. It was very simple. They gave $150,000 in cash to the Christian Democratic Party, which was the conservative party. It was behind the communists in the polls. They were going to lose the election. The communists were going to win. You can't have a communist government in Western Europe, right? That's just for the Eastern Party Europe. And so what they did is they used that money to bribe journalists to write pro-conservative articles in the run-up to the election. And they were able to swing just enough votes that the conservatives won. And it was only $150,000? Yeah, it was the first one. So. That was a lot of money in the 40s. I know, but for the whole party, for a bunch of journalists, I mean, I'm splitting up that pie. It's getting smaller and smaller. Oh, yeah. You think like Don Calo Vizzini was taking a baseball bat to people, too? Well, I mean, think of it this way, too. If you're a journalist and you're asked to write 500 words, that's probably worth $500 in 1949. I mean, if that's what you get paid today, that was a lot of money in 1949. Yeah, but if I'm going to swing an election, you got to add a zero to that. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, so you're. All right, so we're looking at this Wikipedia page. Everyone else can pull this up, too. And it's funny because Wikipedia is run by the CIA and they can't even stop this article from happening. Well, oftentimes the CIA gets outed when people look at the ISP information from the FBI. And if it's not done for the editors, it oftentimes goes back to Langley. They're that dumb. Come on. Yeah, they're that dumb. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I remember in my own case, we asked for something in Discovery. I don't remember what it was. And we were having a meeting, all the attorneys. I had 11 attorneys. And one of them said, hey, we should ask for X. And one of the other attorneys said, oh, come on, they're not that stupid. And he said. And one of the other attorneys said, no, actually, they are that stupid. And sure enough, they had fucked it up. And they ended up having to drop three charges. Just because of that. They're arrogant. Yeah. They think they're smarter than everybody else is, that they don't make mistakes. Or even if they do make mistakes, you're not smart enough to figure out that they've made a mistake. And that's just simply not true. But it's also like, John, they have a VC arm, as we've outlined before. Yeah, they do. Or everyone outlines it in Q2. And they admit who they invest in. Oh, yeah, we threw money in Palantir in 2003. Sure. And now look at Palantir. Billions in revenue. And it's like, that's where sometimes I wonder, yes, I hear you. There's hubris there. There's fuck you. We can do what we want. We're seeing that play out on a massive scale right now. But sometimes I wonder if there's. If I'm crazy to wonder it, too, if there's like a 5D chess thing here where people are like, we know some of this shit will come out. And that's what we want to happen. Yeah. Because we want society to flip the fuck out. Sure. That happens. That happens sometimes. Yeah. And it could have happened with things that, not even related to your case, but that CIA might do as it relates to Wikipedia, where they're like, yeah, people will flip out about this by 2025, after 2026, after we do that whole pandemic thing. Right. Exactly. Oh, well, exactly. I mean, as an example. Sure. Why not? Hypothetically. Hypothetically. Sure. Sure. And another thing, too, is if you throw. So many of these ideas for operations out there, or these little mini operations, there's some that are just going to not come to people's attention. They're not going to realize that it's some sort of a covert action operation or disinformation operation. Disinformation. See, that's the big one now today. You don't know who's behind keyboards anywhere, right? We do it to a ton of people. You don't. But even the people who are supposed to be the good guys, you can't trust. I've told you this before. I've got this buddy, Jason Leopold. He's at Bloomberg. Jason is one of the best investigative journalists I've ever encountered in my life. And honest, honest as the day is long, he's the FOIA king. He's filed more Freedom of Information Act requests than anybody else in the history of the Freedom of Information Act, to the point where George W. Bush's Pentagon spokesman called him a FOIA terrorist. On the record. Called him a FOIA terrorist. It was Jason that broke the Hillary Clinton email scandal. Whoa. I didn't know that. Just through a FOIA request. He got that through a FOIA. That's it. Mm-hmm. So he told me, this was about 10 years ago, he told me that he was bored one week over Christmas break. He was bored. So he just filed a FOIA request. He had nothing else to do. Yeah, that's right. And he asks for all communications between the. The CIA and all journalists, period. Anything. From all history. No, no, for this period of whatever it was, a year, I think is what it was. And, you know, the CIA never, ever, ever answers FOIAs. They say, oh, they send you a letter saying, okay, thank you, it's in queue. Well, I filed a FOIA request 15 years ago. I'm still waiting. What's the legality of that, though? They have 60 days. So what happens is when day 60 comes, you have to sue them. and You will always win and because the law is clear, they have 60 days. You will always win and the judge will always make them pay your legal fees. Thank you guys for watching the episode. If you haven't already, please hit that subscribe button and smash that like button on the video. And if you would like to follow me on Instagram and X, those links are in my description below. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. 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