Jocko Willink, Matt McCusker & Jeff Dye - Mostly Wise #3 - #1139

Did you guys ever consider a career in the military? I remember I was in graduate school and I would get the reserve emails and I really thought, I was like, damn, 20 grand right now? I was like, I remember my wife was like, dude, anyone I talked to was like, you're going to hate it. You can't just go away. I'm like, it's just the weekends. And they're like, yeah, every weekend for like, what, four years? And I was like on the brink and then they were like, dude. And I was like, yeah, I'm not doing that. I've never considered it ever. Ever. Not even once. You could have done a career in comedy. I don't know. This could have been a, we could have found out that everyone's original life plans had crossed over. I wish I would have done it. I could have used some structure, some discipline, some older male influence. I could have used some, everything that the military teaches, I think I needed and would have been great. But because nobody was giving me the discipline to go, hey, you should go do that. I didn't do it. Yeah. You didn't even have the discipline to start becoming disciplined. Yeah. When you grow up like me, dude, on the mean streets, you know, it's either gang life or basketball. And I chose, no, that's not real. I remember, do you know what it was? I remember they repealed, don't ask, don't tell. And I was like, all right, I can't, I can't join you. What's that? It was if you're gay, you're not supposed to ask someone if they're gay. Now I think you're like allowed to ask. I don't know. What even happened with that? I think you have to ask for their papers. This is your area of expertise, Chuck. What happened with you? There was a time where. It's fucking you. Are you a gay citizen? Yeah. You couldn't, you couldn't, if you were gay in the military, you couldn't say anything. So it was, they weren't allowed to ask you, but you weren't allowed to tell anybody. But could you fuck, Jocko? Who cares about telling people you're gay? I know that's all these college kids do. I'm pretty sure you could, yeah. A thousand guys on a boat. But I can't confirm that myself, personally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Deny to confirm, no deny. You just put in your earplugs in the bunks, like, oh, these guys. Just statistically, if you have a thousand guys in one boat, yeah. That's going to happen. That's part of my crew. That's one of his guys. You just got to be first, you know, and if they're going to get me. Well, I mean, you know, it doesn't have to be like that, man. Oh, I didn't know. God damn. Man, I didn't know where we were headed. Is there a height limit in the SEALs? I have to, like, if someone's taller, right? Like, you're only, what, 6'4", yeah. Yeah, you get, like, 6'6", 6'7", there's just more of you to hit. I don't think there's a height limit because there's a guy that I think is 6'7", or 6'8", something like that, a SEAL. What's the shortest guy in the SEALs? I know no woman has ever cracked it. I want to say 5'3". Oh, yeah, that's a bad dude, though. 5'3", and still did it. No women, did you guys know that? In the SEALs? There's never been a woman in the SEALs. Not yet. That says you, dude. Well, there's that French NBA player that's. She wouldn't make it. What are the current trends? Have you seen this guy, girl? Yeah, she's going viral all week. She's having a good week. She's probably real happy about all this WNBA kerfuffle. Yeah. Do you know the story? Can you explain? Every video has popped up. There's just a trans. Yeah. It's a biological male that transitioned into a woman who's playing in a professional women's basketball league in France. And because the Sophie Cunningham and all the issues in the last few weeks with the XXXY kind of came. The campaign drumming up all this trans talk. They're like, well, let this lady play. Draft her over there and watch how inclusive they'll be. But everybody's just showing videos of this muscular. I mean, she's jacked. Really? She's almost like a guy. I mean, I'm for it. I think it's time. The WNBA. Yeah. WNBA is turning into. It's a drama now. Yeah. It's like racial kind of tension. Throw that on top. It's sexual orientation. For sure. I mean, all of the straight chicks get bullied and stuff in the. Locker room. Yeah. Can you tell me this? Like, all of the. Yeah, it's like inverse homophobia. Bro, how pissed are they going to be when the first. When the first trans WNBA player is straight and white, they're going to be pissed. And French. Do you know what I'm saying? Because she's trans, but. And they're going to go, look how inclusive we are, but she's still straight and white. I kind of want to turn the WNBA into, like, the XFL. I think we should just make it, like, even crazier. What's XFL? XFL was when Vince McMahon tried to, like, start his own football thing, but it was, like. It was just chaos. It was like, I don't know. It was like NFL Blitz. Like, you could have a guy on the sideline who at any time could just run in and hit somebody. You know, fair catches. Yeah, yeah. And then he was like, I was like, we're going to put cameras in the women's locker room. And we're like, what women? It's football. Like, it was insane. That was just. He was just thinking of a WWE internal memo. Okay, so. But he literally, that was the thing. The guy that did WWE tried to make a football league, and it went badly? Yeah. One season. I remember the one, their jerseys, the names, one guy's was like, he hate me. Yeah, they got to wear nicknames on the jerseys. I like that. That was cool. Yeah, it was like a spectacular failure. He tried to do, I think for maybe one year, and it just didn't work out. But then they brought it back. They brought it back like years later. It did also bad. Yeah. Sorry. Bless you. I've done this a lot, guys. I'm very professional at this. Sneezing, interrupting, I'm sorry. What do you think about this stuff, Jocko? It's interesting to listen to. It's like a day carry stumbled upon. No, I'll be honest. At first, I was a WNBA. Now, it's like, it's exciting. I love the drama. Now, you're telling me that you got some more, another dimension to the drama's coming in. It's like, yeah, this is awesome. Well, if they do it, I'll watch it then. If they start putting in some trans athletes, I'd watch that, I guess, for a minute to see if it changes anything. I think it will. Like, there's a pro girls baseball league right now. It's like a softball thing. I've been watching that, and it's been fantastic. Oh, that's on in the gym. That's on in Lifetime. Yeah, it's been great. Yeah, it's good. Softball pitches are. It's not about them being women. It's about if the product's good enough. So, like, if the women had eight-foot rims and these chicks could dunk on each other and the court was a little smaller and the ball was a little smaller, I would probably give it a shot. But the problem is, like, I watch whatever the best of the thing is. Like, I've got NBA. I can watch that. They're better than these girls. And so I don't want to watch a worse product. I don't watch high school baseball and then be like, you're being mean to the high school boys. It's like, no, I watch pro baseball. They're better than the high school boys. What about college? I also don't have a wife that's going to get mad at me for saying any of this shit. I don't think wives. I can think freely. Wives don't care at all about the WNBA. Oh, really? Yeah, no one has a wife who's like, you better show them. I'm from LA. I don't know. Oh, yeah, true. They all care. But the number one consumer of female sports is still men. Yes. Like, it's. Really? Yeah, the number one spectator. It's not women watching women's sports. I'll say 100% of the people who watch the WNBA are. They all like women. If you watch the WNBA, you go home to pussy. Like, that's a rule. If it's a guy watching the WNBA and he likes chicks, and if it's a girl watching the WNBA and he likes chicks, or she likes chicks, that's how it works. Nobody's ever dunked a ball and then went home to wiener. That's not a. It's all. It's a fair point. It's all pussy. Stestosterone. Yes. But when you think about sports that don't have that skill gap, like BJJ, right? That is just as popular for a lot of the UFC, female UFC fighters. Ronda Rousey was, like, one of the biggest stars in the world. So maybe it is. What's the level of skill? If it's comparable, male league to female league, people will turn up and watch. Yeah, yeah. And you could not. It'd be really bad to watch females fighting males. It would not be fair. Right. We've tried that a couple of times. It doesn't go well. I think the girls would beat them up too bad. That's it, yeah. Whenever someone. When it's on Pixar, they always win. But when enough people don't like a thing, I automatically like it. Like, now I like the WNBA. Now everyone hates it. I'm like, it's actually awesome. It's a good ball. There's a question that me and one of my housemates ask, which is like, at what age do you think that you could beat the best in the world at a particular sport? So, like, a 12-year-old elite-level soccer player. Like, are you as good at soccer as a 12-year-old? No. Like, the best 12-year-old in the world? No. Like, could you submit. You know, like, it's different, I guess, in BJJ because of weight classes and stuff like that. Like, the best 15-year-old in the world weighs the most. I wanted to do this on a show with fighting. I came up with this idea where, like, I wanted, like, you know, you get a 5-year-old in there, it's pretty easy for me. You could take him. And then we go 6-year-old, I go, yeah. This is what I mean. And we just keep ranking up until someone beats my ass and it's probably going to be an 11-year-old that just annihilates me and that'll be fun to watch, too. Do you train? No. That's another part of it, that it would be pretty quick. You know, you could find a 10-year-old, break my ankle and knock me the hell out. But, yeah, for sports, it's interesting. I don't know because I'm not very good at soccer and shit either. How do you guys reckon you get on at SEAL selection? Jocko got to kind of assess people for a good while. Like, if you haven't got a background, like. I mean, I just said I've been swimming, so. You have been swimming a lot. I'm good to go, yeah. I'm pretty much ready to go. How hard can it be, man? Ready to go, pretty much. Just let me know. I bought this watch at Panerai. It's a Navy SEAL, so. Oh, yeah, you're good to go, too. I think I'm ready to rock, dude. How much is it? What's the physical requirement? Like, what would you actually. The physical requirements are pretty low, actually. They're not anything crazy. And if you were, like, a normal high school athlete, you have the physical capabilities of doing it. Interesting. Yeah. But once you get in there, it's definitely challenging from a physical perspective. Only in the sense that you get so physically beaten down and broken down that mentally you have to be able to hang on, so. You know, everybody says it's more mental than physical. That's not really true either because if you can't climb that damn rope, then you're not making it through. How high is the rope again? There's 30-foot ropes. There's 10-foot ropes. There's a bunch of different ropes. That's just one example, obviously. But. Some guys, you know, it's all mental. No, you need to train physically because otherwise you won't be able to get through any of the basic physical competency tests that you're going to get. But it is mental, too, because you can have total studs going through there and they quit just as much as a slacker. Now, is the rope like an A-frame wood thing that you climb up or you just have to climb the rope? There's lots of ropes, right? Yeah. There's an obstacle course where you got to climb a bunch of different ropes. And then there's just straight-up 30-foot rope. Like, there's 10 of them out on the beach and you just got to climb these ropes. And back down. Yeah, you make you climb them until you can't climb them anymore. Dang. When you tell me a story, I was asking about why there's an age limit. And I think, is it 30. 30 34 35 or something the selection tends to get it's around 31 i think is the actual cutoff and occasionally a guy will get through that's like 32 or 33 got a special permission or special waivers they call it and then maybe a 33 year old but that's that's it's rare and i was asking about the cargo net there's these huge big cargo nets that you climb up and i think you told me a story there's some dude who's like super fatigued got over the top and essentially from the top of a 30 or 50 foot cargo net with all of his shit on just like just hit the sand but he was 21 so he's made of rubber and magic so he just bounced onto his feet and ran off what you know like just somebody from like a high yeah and then landed and was largely okay and i think okay that guy plus 15 years at like 38 yeah it's like you're dust yeah you've just like evaporated you'll be here for my attorney right away they take my house away if i break my leg you know that's that's a wrap on me yeah yeah were you able to pick very well do you think before people came in matter of fact i was just talking to somebody the other day that's a that did a bunch of years as an instructor and said you know could you eventually figure out who's gonna make it he's like nope you can't you can't look at a human being and figure out if they're gonna make it or not interesting just just can't tell whether they're five three or six nine you know you think that guy's too small or that guy's too big doesn't matter yeah it's just there's something there's something in their head that makes them not gonna quit i saw a thing on netflix about the navy seals that pissed me off they used to do this thing and i believe they still do it but this was with netflix you know they said that they once you get through the thing and that's very hard right and then you go to a net now you're in the platoon you've done enough time where they go you're in now you've you've passed it even after the buds like you've you're in the platoon because sometimes you make it and then you you can get kicked out because you're not you're not made of whatever but then they put this thing on you they punch it in all the guys go and they punch this like uh this crest on what's it called it's called a trident yeah trident on you and they all your stars everybody they get to go gave you give you a nice punch but you made it now so you're happy they're like they stopped doing this in 1994 because of hazing or something yeah i'm like what you don't have to like worry about the navy seals you know it's not like he's going to be like after all of that they now i need to file a report against my son like what are we doing yeah they still do it don't they i would be confident that they yeah likely still do that good unofficially of course it's ridiculous if they stop doing that but that's what netflix in it with the problem being that if you've been through eating sand for like a week with no sleep some guy hitting you a little bit too hard on your new button right isn't the biggest crime now it sounds kind of lame to do it at all well no it's not nothing i mean they're really putting it in your skin so it's not nothing but what i'm saying is that like it's an honor at that point they're like it's that i'm proud of this badge like this should mark i don't know with chris al punching a key chain it's kind of like yeah well we're not made of what they're made of well you did that with the note tab black belts black belts as well right when some people do oh yeah they whip you yeah you walk down like a gauntlet of guys on either side and then as you get your belt you get whipped not everyone does that i thought some people do some people don't okay you know just depends on the vibe of the school what you're into you gotta get that last little licking on somebody i guess before he's got the black belt and you need to respect him yeah whip it up like a dish town yeah yeah well apparently they've said that's a stranger just to confuse him what's that guy's deal in here what's his problem yeah they uh they said we're like you know it's modern people are one of the first societies that don't have like a ruthless entry to like manhood so like pretty much every other society beforehand you had to do like really shitty fucked up stuff before you were there was a good a thing that moved you from a boy to a man is that not the misogi is this uh it's something like that isn't it yeah a rite of passage type thing like the aspen news that jumped off the the the tower with like the vine around their legs you ever seen that no oh yeah dudes at somewhere in africa they built like a tower out of whatever trees and bamboo and stuff and then they tie a vine around their legs and it stops them just short of hitting the ground but yeah that's their manner good one i guess a vine yeah the most can i get a new vine no they should do they should do a thing called a sub incision where they would take a a boy's penis and slit a cut up the front of it oh i had this yeah you had this like oh wow you're in like the yeah they would cut it open so you would like i don't know they're supposed to like remind you about like girls or something oh my god but they would slice your dick and then it would like heal what kind of girls it reminds them of vaginas it was just kind of like yes what vaginas are like they would cut a giant hole in your penis and be like that's good it's called the sales then it would heal up and you would always now you have like a man's i have no trouble thinking about girls and i've never had this procedure at all well imagine how much more would i think unlocked if you've done it crap dude unbelievable girl crazy yeah the things people used to do were crazy they would do another one where they would just pick two villagers and they would be like you know a boy and a girl they'd make them have sex and they would just crush them with logs and everyone back all right happy new year yeah that dad's like that one was my kid though it was pretty why'd we use my kid you mean like greeks throwing plates at a party or something yeah this was like way way back like you know and like papa new guinea river you know you're always gonna have people that are assholes a lot of this is just people that are assholes because you know you take anybody and they're like gonna initiate people and your father's initiating you're like hey good job you know good job and then and then you're over here like with the with the scalp yeah right there's always people that get real weird and go next because it's the same and that's why you know you talk about some of this navy stuff it's at a certain point of military indoctrination or military hazing rituals there's always someone that's like you know what i got a better idea and it's gonna be doing something really stupid you used to have like a safety guy you know if you if you have a hazing incident going down or a hazing ritual you have to have a guy that's like okay hey bro no put the scalpel away or whatever the thing yeah get off his penis because we're still touching his penis yeah we still do those there's sadistic people there's there are sadistic people yeah in wherever in any organization and by the way when you get rid of like the actual soft people so now you get you get rid of the soft people and you just have military dudes like yeah there's even more sadistic people in there so you gotta have some kind of limits on what you're doing otherwise people are getting their scalpel on their dick yeah like that like that pirate was there was some famous pirate and the only reason he climbed the ranks so much is because he was more psychopathic he was like i'll just i'll get him to talk you want me to cut his dick off and they're like what and then he would like literally and they're like all right that's the new guy like they they would just out barbarian each other on the pirate ships for rank that's one of the reasons that psychopaths are supposed to have existed like why why would they uh prevail like why would why why would they have stayed in the evolutionary gene pool it's like well if you've only got 50 of you it's maybe not that useful but if there's a little few more of you maybe you need some vikings to go and raid lindisfarne sure and like pillage and come back and not have ptsd and you go oh like you're actually kind of destructive in a small group but pretty useful if you've got a couple of hundred of you and there's there's enough people that everyone yeah we used to have this like a a little a little drawing in the seal teams and it was it was a little frog man like a dog and he was inside of a glass case and it said in case of war break glass and that's true like there are guys even if you look back at the historical you know military heroes a lot of those guys were totally out of control as normal civilians and then whatever a war broke out they joined up and they're a hero and they have something to do and something to focus their energy on and something to put their aggression their testosterone into that's the 100 the guy you want that's the tool so it's rough when you're in peacetime and you got these guys that are are you know they're vikings right they're they're just born and bred to kill other people and then you're like hey actually you got to be in a uniform inspection tomorrow the guys are like what here those guys are weapons yeah yeah yeah it's like it's like uh stirring your coffee with your gun and they're like what are you doing you're like well i'm using the wrong tool that's all yeah these guys are tools you know they're like weapons yeah and then they don't know what to do when people aren't using them as a way what do you do with those guys just like a working dog right like a working dog you do people say oh you got a german shepherd like oh is it you know german shepherd like working dog no no no you don't want a working dog in your house you don't want the dogs that we had in the military you do not want one of those things as your pet in your house because it will bite some people that's what they do that's literally what they're bred for and what they're trained for and so you can't just have that thing in your house and expect when the amazon dude shows up he's not getting a a bite on his neck or his face like that's what's happening so there's guys in the military that are a hundred percent like that and they're barely hanging on to their dogs and they don't want to have a dog in their house and they don't want to have a dog hanging on and when you're in a leadership position you're like god you got to hey you got to check on those guys you got to make sure that you give them some outlet for the aggression that they've got what sort of outlet do you give somebody that isn't just more war well i mean you you luckily working out doing jiu jitsu boxing fighting wrestling and and again that's you're doing that to to mitigate the amount of aggression that this pressure release yeah it's just like pressure release it's not saying that occasionally a dude just doesn't go out in town and beat up like four bouncers at a bar or whatever you know yep you got to deal with it and it happens and a lot of times those guys you know in the navy as your career goes on you on your uniform you get stripes i think it's one stripe on your sleeve for every year that you've been in and if you've had good good conduct the whole time those stripes at a certain point they all become gold and if you don't have good conduct then you have red stripes so you see like in a seal team a bunch of those guys they've been in for 20 years they got red stripes like they got in trouble here they got in a bar fight there yeah that's that's like the rings of a tree going like that year was a really rough one that was the one when he got back onto the booth it reminds me of red dead redemption when you're going through and you're like it lets you know if you're a bad cowboy or a good cowboy as you're going but since it's a video game you just go fucking full bad cowboy yeah but that's the same thing like you can see your honor yeah it's like an honor kind of thing it's been tracked what uh without saying who it is or whatever what are some of the like most extreme guys that you'd seen either in the seals or that you'd heard about like people who had a you're talking about very very extreme people in a group of very extreme people are there any examples that sort of come to mind where you think i mean fuck guys there's guys that definitely would get kicked out of the military because they got in too many fights got drunk too many times and again those guys a lot of the times those guys that you would want in war a hundred percent so that you know what you're looking for optimally is a guy that can contain that enough that they can make it and and still just about hold on just about hold on and of course you know you need like the real professional guys and that are that are gonna keep control of those dudes because if you don't have that then it's gonna get out of control real quick and occasionally like platoons would get this is in the seal teams a platoon would get disbanded they would just take a whole platoon and just disband a platoon and usually that was because the leadership didn't have control over the boys and if the boys get out of control like that there's nothing to stop them and eventually they're just gonna get in enough fights and break enough stuff and you know just do bad stuff it's a great script yeah it's like uh the lord of the flies with the guys in the back of the kids at the back of the class that always sit in a row and they always disrupt everybody else and you're like hey no you you you're gonna be over there you're in a different the concept of the movie the dirty dozen right is like we got these guys they're all in the brig like they're criminals but we've got this kind of mission that needs to get done cool we'll put tape them and put them over here that's what we're gonna do so there is an element of that you know you don't you don't wake up like me i'm a kid what do you ask a kid what do you want to do when you grow up oh i want to go carry machine gun and kill people that's not that's not a normal thing right so you've got those people that's what we want to do and so of course you're gonna end up with some people that are like that can't really can't contain that as well and it's you know it's it's a bummer but it's also again go look at the history of american heroes not all of them some of them are boy scouts right some of them are like you know they're like they're like legit boy scouts and they were they were just good people that joined the military for god and country there's that's absolutely an element of our american heritage but there's another american heritage of hell's angels right you're in the military but you could have been in the hell's angels because you want to fight and you want to carry a machine gun and kill people that's of course you got people like that and you know that's what that's what the military is it's made up of those and and the military puts like you were saying earlier you you needed discipline you needed some direction and and that's true for a lot of young men that want to fight they want to carry a machine gun they want to go to war if you don't join the military what are you going to do you're going to end up in some kind of a gang you're going to be a criminal of some kind so cool join the military we'll take that energy we'll take that aggression we'll take that testosterone and we'll do something totally productive with it and and and most of the time you know most of the people in the military they're able to contain it and they they get through or they get through their career and then it's fine. occasionally a guy like just a 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We're always like hanging out and I met them before in San Diego and they're just, you know, just chilling and they're pretty like, it's like plain clothes. It's just like pretty much flannels and shit and these two girls were there talking to them by the time I got there and then the girls were with these guys who kind of came later and started kind of like puffing their feathers up and they had no idea these guys were like Navy SEALs and I was watching the whole time like, please fucking kick their ass. I want to see it so bad. But they were reserved. They had one guy finally went up, it was, there was like eight of them. I'm like, dude, you guys are going to die. Well, they kind of know that there's been light work, you know. Exactly. They were kind of laughing, but at the same time, you could really see them kind of like, yeah. And then eventually one went up to them. It was like, said something to them. They were just like, okay. And they left. Where can I get one of those working dogs? I hate my Amazon until they're pretty good. Yeah. I tell them, put the packages on the patio. Don't leave it at the door. The selection of working dogs is probably the most stringent, way more stringent than any military special operations selection process. The amount of dogs that enter the pipeline to become a working dog is probably like one out of every 20 or 30 that actually become a full-fledged working dog. Yeah. Any girl dogs? I don't know. I think so. Why? Why is it? Why? Why? Why? He hates girls. No, that's not true. So they can't join the WNBA. Is that why? No, no, no. I was trying to say it would be, women can start using that argument. Like there's plenty of girl dogs in the Navy SEALs. They're probably, girl dogs are vicious. That's what I'm saying. You probably want a girl dog. Jared, chat GPT. Are there female working dogs in the SEAL, part of the SEALs? In the military. In the military. Yeah. What's the proportion? Now we're back. I want to know what the proportion of male. I want to make up for my earlier sexist remark. You're looking for equal opportunity. First he said a sexist thing, but then he really won us over about the female dogs. Because the dogs can dunk, which is what's important. Right. I saw Air Bud was a girl dog, so she broke a lot of boundaries. Yes, they do. 73% male, 26% female. We're back. So if you go up a little bit, go up because the patrol and apprehension, okay, they're in there for patrol. I didn't see a patrol and apprehension at first. What are they? Belgian Malwa is pretty, for the most part? In the SEAL teams, it's Mal, so yeah, check. Because they're smaller? Yeah, smaller, easier to like jump with. Did you ever see how high they can jump? Belgian Malwa? Yeah, they're so good. Dude, they can like eight foot fast right over. They're insane. That's why I need one, man. My Amazon guy. Oh, they could, literally. I want to get Malwa so bad. The first time I ever saw one. Get one. It was this training event, and we're taking down this big building, and they're like, hey, we got to have this dog out here, and we'll show you how it works and everything. And I'm kind of like, whatever. How's this dog going to, whatever. I just didn't really think much of it. So they had a guy that was plenty in the dog suit that was going to run away from the target building. And so I'm outside, I'm the ground force commander. I'm watching. They go, hey, the guy's going to run away. So I'm watching. I see the guy run away, and I see the dog. They're just locked in. I was like, oh. And then he says, this dog wanted blood. And he lets, there's a quick release that they have, like a trigger on the leash, pulls that thing. And this thing, bro, it took off going a thousand miles an hour, launched at this dude, and just took him down like nothing, and just started mangling this dog suit. And I was like, we want these things. That's what we want. Yeah, yeah. That's so fucking odd. They put the metal implants on the canines. It's like those predator dogs from that movie. I'm telling you. Meanwhile, yours is in the fucking sidecar of your motorcycle with goggles on. Hey, tell me where to get one of these. I kind of want a dog that will bite a stranger for sure. These fuckers at the coffee shop are always giving me a hard time, you know. I want a little respect around that. You come in with a Malabar and a trigger. Yeah, it's on the sidecar. God, you don't want me to release this. Jocko told me it's going to fucking be bad news. It's going to lock in. I don't know German, but. There's a guy, I don't know if he has, he's only made a couple videos. But he owns a convenience store. So he just, he has some sort of trained dog that he like unleashes on people loitering outside of the store. Yeah, that's great. He only has two videos. We need more of that. He has to wait for his content. Two videos. He's in jail. That's what that means. He's just like, go. The dogs don't bite. They come up. The guy's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. People are scared of dogs. There's a big like canine unit thing inside of the military. And then you guys have one for SEALs too? There's, yeah, there's, so there's just dog handlers. The whole military, almost all ground troops have some access to some kind of military. Military dogs, military working dogs. Yeah. That's fucking cool. SEALs should get some water animals, dude. Figure that out. They have them. They do? Yeah. How does that work? Top secret. And I want names this time. All right. That's how you get podcasting clicks. You say names. Yeah, true. First and last name. And you exploit someone. I don't know the name of this particular dolphin, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have, they have, yeah, they have, they have mammals that work. That's wild. Yeah, they do. Yeah. Do you remember when- No, there's no, China doesn't stand a chance against us. I feel like we're really breaking new ground sharing this. You might get in trouble. Yeah, no. They got water animals in the Navy SEALs. Yeah. That's sick. What do they do? You know, they perform various missions for. You're fucking with me, dude. No, I'm not. You're absolutely. I'm not falling for it. No. I want to believe so bad. Like a dolphin with a little turret on its head. It's not a turret. Yeah, it's a laser beam. I don't know how much this is available on the internet. You have to ask your people for the internet. Okay. Can we see military dolphins, please? I feel so dumb if this is made up and I believe it. I want to see this shit. I want to talk to the guy. No, I want to see if it's true. Jocko's making sure that he's not going to get popped by the DOD. True, true. Never mind. Don't even try anything here. Yeah, don't risk it. Do you remember we were at dinner with Palmer Luckey and somebody asked him a question. You know Palmer? He's the guy behind Anduril. He made the Oculus, which was that VR thing. Anduril's tagline, war technology company, is fight unfair. That's the tagline. It's so fucking hard. Jesus. And. He has an answer for everything. If you just want to ask him some shit about, like, hey, how would this have a military application? And we were at dinner. Do you remember someone asked him about, has anyone tried to make sharks be useful? And he's like, oh, absolutely. Because the immune system of a shark means that they can go forever. So what you do is you get a bag of glucose, stick it to the side of a shark, put a fucking hypodermic syringe in. It never needs to eat. You use it as like a tracking animal and this thing can go for a thousand miles without having to run fuel. And that's real optimistic, you know, because you go, all right, we got this shark. We put a thing with the glucose in the syringe. And so far he's eaten a thousand fish. You know, they don't need to eat. But my point is he's not going to do what you want him to do. The dolphins are doing it. How do you program the shark to go get these Russians or something? Yeah. How do you. I wasn't in the technicalities. I'm the ideas guy. Yeah. Because I just got the sharks. He's swimming around out there. We spent a hundred grand on this fucker. And now he's just. All the glucose we waste. He's not on how to give him the orders. He's supposed to be eating Koreans right now. He's out there swimming around trying to bang another shark with a glucose syringe on it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not. I don't know. I believe the dolphins. Dolphins are smart as hell. Did you ever get into the John Lilly? It's the military dolphin pro crowd. Dude, I'm going to smile thinking about this tonight. Seth. Just restart that from the very beginning. What does he say? I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins. America's top military leaders were asked about killer dolphins. Can you kind of clarify these reports of kamikaze dolphins? The animation is so funny. The question sounds ridiculous, but the history behind it is real. Since the 1960s, the U.S. Navy has trained dolphins and sea lions for military work. Not reportedly to blow things up, but to do things like find underwater mines, recover lost equipment, and help protect ships and harbors. The program is called the U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, and it still exists. And America was not the only country. During the Cold War, the Soviet Navy built its own military dolphin program in the Black Sea. After the Soviet Union collapsed, and in 2000, the BBC reported that Ukraine transferred part of its military dolphin project to Iran. That's why this is what we have now. The U.S. and Iran are already locked in a fight over important oil routes on Earth. And now, even the weirdest pieces of military history are being pulled back into the conversation. So no, the Pentagon didn't confirm kamikaze dolphins. But it did confirm something else. The standoff with Iran has gotten strange enough that weaponized dolphins are now being discussed at a U.S. military briefing. That's wild. Also, you just think it's not going to go well, dude. Because the dolphin's going to swim up to some fishing boat, you know. It's going to go, these guys got fishes up there. It's just not. You need control of these things. They're trainable. I've had one in Mexico. Unreliable. I've had a dolphin in Mexico. Friendly as hell. Yeah? Well, that's my problem. They're actually scary. It's going to come up to you. And then you go, what do you got ticking on your back there, buddy? Dude, no. I thought dolphins were like you play in the ocean. I would shit myself if one of these came up to me. They're huge. Dolphins. They're terrifying. They're like big water dogs. I was in the thing in Mexico. You get in like a little, it's like a little dock, but under the water so you can stand. They swim up. And I was like, my kids were there. And they were scared. I'm like, don't be scared, guys. We're all right. Really? No, dude, just touch it. I was like, oh, my God. You go first, little buddy. Don't be afraid. That's bait. Yeah, no, I think they're sweethearts. I rode them around in Mexico before I knew it was not appropriate. I posted all the photos. And everyone was like, you monster. I was like, I'm just kidding. It was fake. You pet a dolphin, too? Fake pictures. Huh? No, I rode it around and shit. Yeah, like it was like a tourist trap. Rode it around. Yeah, like you could grab on its. Grab its fin. My girlfriend at the time was small enough that she could. I just don't have a girlfriend anymore. It's not like I have the same girlfriend. She's gotten bigger. Turn this out for that. You got to do the sperm whale tour. My girlfriend back when she was small enough. No, but she would actually stand on that shit in there. She was able to do it because she was little. But I had to kind of lay down and let him pull me. You were like boogie boarding with a dolphin. Yeah, I didn't know that they hate it there. Those dolphins, because they're meant, they use echoes. And they're used to miles of sea. So it don't matter what you put them in, they're going to freak out. And they're feeding them full of fish with little pills for ulcers. And yeah, it's not good. But we didn't know any of that. We had a fun time. Yeah, it was a great day. It was like 200 bucks. Yeah, same way. I got there and I'm like, oh man, this is kind of sad. Yeah, like a little pond. They're looking at me like, help me. I was, I cheaped out. Give me a ride. You got yourself into this. Yeah, I cheaped out on the like, the Lord of the Sea thing where you kind of like hold both. It felt cool. It looked awesome. Yeah. Was this when you were sober at this time or no? No, this was a long time ago. Like 2008 or 2009. Okay. Yeah, drunken dolphin. We were drunk for sure. Yeah, there's no way you're doing that sober. There's no like sober. Also. So many stories in my life are like, I went to a thing that was for kids. Yeah. And I'm the guy there that's like, yeah, I'll do this. And then everyone's like, why is he out here? Well, I want to run the bases at the Cardinals game. It's just me and like a bunch of little kids. And so there's so many of my stories are just drunk Jeff with a bunch of family things. Does sound bad when you say that. A bunch of stories with drunk Jeff and a bunch of little kids. Well, it's like, yeah, these families are going, why is this guy with all the kids? This guy sucks. Yeah, I went to a water park way too late. It was me and Shane went. Me and Shane went. We went to a water park and it was like a small one too. And we came down the water. We had like gym shorts too. We didn't bathe in suits. Come down. You come down. So you're instantly like vacuum sealed. It's just your fucking tiny flaccid penis sticking out. And there'd be a guy just waiting for his kid. There'd just be me like. He's just like my same age. Just be like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you doing this? Why should the kids have all the fun? I can't tell you how many times I've been to like a shoe store and I see like one of those light up LA gear shoes. I'm like, you guys have this on a 12? No. Yeah. Wheelies. We have them in four. Size four. Wheelies would be so sick. I, yeah. I've never had them. Any special ops? Tried them. Any special ops applications with the wheelies? I don't think so. That would be sick. I don't think so. Let's get on it, dude. A guy from the UK ran a marathon in wheelies. Really? Stop. That's cheating though. Isn't that cheating? It was way harder. It was infinitely harder. Like, cause only, the only way that it's better is if it's mostly downhill. Right? I hope it's still. And he, he, he only wheelies. He wheelies for very small parts of it. And like, if you think about how you have to run, you have to run right on the forefoot or else you've just, it's basically an unstable fucking surface. Don't they retract? I thought they retracted somehow. I, you know, the technology of the wheelie better. You can't even talk about it. Oh, you're classified. That's classified. What is everyone doing though? Like, like. That's a cool thing. I just did a Navy SEALs podcast yesterday. Sean Johnson, the security guy for Joe Rogan or whatever. And he's a great guy. And he was like, yeah, our guest before us. He ran 500 miles, uh, or he ran on psilocybin or whatever. On psilocybin. I go, why didn't you, what are we doing now? Now it's not a, you hear about David Goggins. He's going, the guy ran a fucking fuck ton. And he goes, yeah, but this guy run a fuck ton on drugs. And he go, oh, okay. And then now this guy's running a fuck ton with wheelies. What's everyone up to? Uh, did you see pushing the envelope, man? What is going on here? I know he's doing, having sex. He go, holy shit, bring him in. I mean, dude, imagine, cause you know, everyone's loved ones. You do a marathon. Everyone's like family and friends are watching. Just, they're all. Yeah. You just, that one glide. It's cheating though. Just kill me then. Just let me go out. Suicide. It's a peak moment. No one gives you water. They're like, actually, yeah. Uh, Nims Perger. Yeah. Passed away. You know that guy? He was the, the, uh, best death zone mountaineer on the planet. And, uh, he had the Netflix documentary, did, did my show, did Rogan's show. And, uh, he passed away just doing some mountaineering stuff. Like he was, uh, uh. Not Gurkha. What's the. Yeah, it was Gurkha. Well, he, he was, but then he eventually went into. Yeah. So he's like British special forces, SAS. Oh, wow. Uh, and then, I mean, he did these ascents and descents without oxygen, like the most gnarly shit. Like, oh, we're at the top of Everest and some guy needs oxygen and we don't have any. I'll just give him mine and I'll just go down normally. Uh, and yeah, he, he, he, that was, he, he did it. Yeah. His old, his old party was knocked out. Yeah, but the guy could do that on psilocybin, you know? That's enough. That could have been the thing that could have fixed it. Wait, maybe he could do that with wheelies. We could talk to him. Everest with wheelies is actually harder. Like. The first guy to summit Everest without legs just happened. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is what I'm talking about. So like, no. That's so impressive. What do you do? Get the, get the video up, Jared. Just have a regular life. But he's trying to, he's got no legs. I know. Also on Everest. You don't need to be up there. He needs to get up there. On Everest, apparently giant sheets of ice will just flip off and they could crush that whole base camp. If you and your partner. 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the gnarliest fucking avalanche you've ever seen in your life yeah god's just looking at us going what are they doing so he's still climbing around up there god damn it like what are we doing there was a documentary on netflix about look at this guy look at him yeah man with no legs makes history by climbing mount everest using only his arms also maybe play maybe in the headline put his name don't call him man look at that see that's what that's what you should be doing man 34th birthday up there no store for cake former russian paratrooper lost both his legs and his legs in 2015 after the military it is difficult is that ai cake what's going on here dude apparently so that that guy john krakauer who had the whole in a thin air thing he wrote that book being like nobody should do this it's so dangerous you can die and uh he said like you know years after it published the what do they get the guides call like you're what are those who's called sure we're like dude we can't thank you enough man like thousands more thousands of people come like he made the industry when he did it he was maybe 450 people climbed everest like 10 years later after the book it was like 33 000 people so everyone started they were like if that guy could fucking do it i can do it that's what he said people will meet him people will meet him and beckham you can fucking well now all these guys with legs are gonna be like yeah this is easy he's a piece of shit got two legs you need to lose one leg but two legs and one arm and then i can do it try and beat the record i got two legs and no cake i'm gonna be whipping up there i don't know like i watched a documentary on netflix where they were talking about this terrible avalanche that you know um you know crushed a lot of people and it was a pretty heavy documentary but they were talking about just working at the camp setting up before the terrible thing happened in the story of or in the documentary and they were like yeah we'd we'd have to wake up every morning at that time of season and go set off explosions they would cause little avalanches just so that the people could be living there and i'm like why is yeah you're you're already playing with fire if you live in an environment where men and women have to wake up at 6 a.m and set off explosions to do like you're already you're already in the lion's den you're on the edge a little what are we doing do you is the if you go to do shit in the snow which military subdivision gets sent to go and do that snow everybody trains for the army and the marine corps and special operations everyone trains to do snow snow work right yeah and the same for desert and the same for yeah and you know there's some geographical kind of destinations that are a little bit more more obvious for some units you know if you're deploying over to europe you're more snow work than if you're deploying to south america you know so you kind of figure that out that way it's pretty fucking cool what's your favorite element or least favorite element uh man i like kind of like them all they're all they're all a little bit different you know um but growing when i was growing up you know as a kid in new england and like i thought i was gonna be fighting in you know the i thought it was me fighting in vietnam but i ended up fighting in the in the desert and in the city environment so i guess i'm kind of like you went from humid jungle to open urban sand yeah yeah or city you know the city environment but they all have their own little unique challenges and it's always interesting and you gotta get good at each particular one and i would always say i'd rather be cold than too too cold too hot but the woods that's so main right the woods yeah yeah bigfoot you might be the guy oh yes right you're a bigfoot guy huh well i'm just saying let's get you let's get you in the woods back to where you know you know you said you like all the area and then let's get you to kill one of these fuckers you're the guy could be why not man i don't know did you ever research igloos about like how much they they apparently they're like they can take snow can trap heat at like an unbelievable level really oh yeah dude like i've never once looked up igloos in my life you've never been to a children's museum well like i when i was in kindergarten it's like a b c d and then when it gets to i there's a picture of a fucking igloo that's all i know about look into igloos make some make that your next drunk that's the problem it's just bigfoot and cigars grown up a lot what can igloos do they just trap like an unbelievable amount of heat like wait it's made of ice they're not made of snow right now you're fucking me up i i mean blocks of ice they're like blocks of snowish ice yeah snowball snow what's that called there's a snow that doesn't pack yeah it's compactable snow all right okay cool snow ice hybrid good in your defense you said you never looked it up that's true i've never heard the fact i just looked up i just read a placard at one kid's museum and i was like whoa it's like 400 it's like 400 percent of heat or some something surprising well there's a if you fall in water in like snowy environment you're supposed to take all your clothes off and then roll in snow right yeah so you'll die quicker there you go let's just fucking end this you just roll around in the snow is that back in the water and drown yourself you definitely have to take your clothes off you definitely yeah you don't wear clothes if you're wet yeah you don't wear clothes if you're you want to get dry i'm pretty sure that the snow is like absorbent because it's not it'll help to get some of the water off you roll around in the snow i'd also i'd be a snow leopard in the winter if i took all my clothes off you would not be able to see me at all i'd be completely can't you wouldn't see me at all i'm for real like i my wife laughs because i actually did tan the summer but i'll like walk to the shower and it looks like i'm wearing shorts my like my ass is so white it's crazy it's pretty cool it's pretty awesome honestly now i've never thought about how well to an arctic environment no clothes i'm wearing clothes it's great it's actually kind of i mean yeah i would show you guys but it'd be weird but my ass is i mean dude yeah thank you because i've been in the condo for the mothership so like i'm on the 20th floor and it's just all windows i don't want to fuss with all the things so i just kind of been walking around like you know if i'm going to the shower i'm kind of like i'm gonna whatever but for you they would see it from a distance to go also if you're that high up i if you're like in you know so if you're like a hotel in new york if you're in a high window environment a bunch of other windows if someone sees you naked that's kind of on them really yeah i don't know if you're certain if you're up high enough it's like i'm not when i still think about it like i don't think they're that i don't think i was gonna be that interested i think they go is that guy naked and they aren't like that's not true did you ever see a naked person through a window well if they're having sex or doing something then i would be excited but just a guy in the kitchen eating a chewy granola bar what you know i i would i'd i would no matter what i would stare i would stare for like 30 minutes it's a fucking naked guy it's just crazy we don't see some old guy just watch tv because we could see him i guess i yeah him watch it it's an old naked man i would i would sit there he'd have to move i wouldn't budge i would just watch him that's great it's a novel you never see a naked don't you get arrested for that you know right no not if we're both 20 feet up in the air what's the floor 20 feet what's the floor above which it's not weird because it's if it's ground floor that's kind of ground floor it's crazy yeah but so first floor is probably also not great yeah you know yeah but i can only get to a window on the first floor you know like do you know i'm saying i've never been higher so how am i supposed to do this i would say double digits double did it double digit floors is international so if you got a belgian malinois it might be able to jump high enough to see it so he can watch whatever he wants dude no dog laws that's true double i remember one time when i lived in philadelphia i could hear like my neighbors all the time and i thought they were having sex and i was like oh my god i could hear him through the wall and i was all excited i'm like getting all fucking hard like this is awesome and then i just realized they're like i was like about to beat off and then i was about to beat off and then i realized they were just fighting and i was like ah well fuck it's also kind of hot now i feel like it's a real boner killer i feel like a creep i could have mom and dad would have been like oh my god i'm gonna have to go to a dad it reminds me of mom and dad you know truly arguing you know yeah they could have made up actually that must happen all the time in new york because you're just so fucking on top of each other like at all times everybody facing windows facing each other and no one's got special tinted windows all these buildings are 100 years old yeah it's got to happen all the time i would imagine although i'm looking for it i'm up there sometimes no tell i don't i'm the only just me well that's what i'm saying sometimes the view of my room is just someone else's room like yeah so that's that's what i'm always thinking about like in my house i don't think about what i'm wearing but i've thought about it all fucking week yeah like people are looking in here does is it uh orlando airport that's got that huge hotel that's like right in the i swear it's orlando really it's one of this florida florida airport that's got it the main tsa checkpoint is just floor to ceiling rooms so it's like built hotels into the terminal hotel new york has one of those and i always think like these they're just straight up windows overlooking tsa so there is the potential for somebody who's like while they're getting frisked down to just lock up and you're just morning glory yeah that's wild yeah that's good that's pretty awesome so i want to spend my time uh why he's watching people get frisked all day it's a power move i love security i just have knives next to my penis like you wish you could do this right now uh how how is sobriety going i know that this has been great big pivot for you how long has it been uh two years and nine months what was there like a straw that broke the camel's back um like some children's event that you went to you finally got kicked out of now stop saying children's no uh nothing that stands out i mean getting arrested and crashing my car and fighting some cops that that part it was that yeah it was a big dramatic thing it was a huge it was a huge embarrassing how'd the fight go well terrible for me those boys can fight yeah i was a little you know it was a little blurry for me if i'm honest so you're drunk got in a fight and that was it for you you said no more yeah because i mean like also like i had been thinking uh i should be giving up the bottle for a long time like it's in your mind you're going uh maybe because drinking's great and drink it's fun until it's till you get sad or till you you know it's till something bad happens or till so drinking has a lot of positive experiences but it was it was time to time to wrap it up but it's been great and i in my act i always joke about all the negatives of sobriety but the truth is like it's fantastic and i'm very happy i did it unreal yeah that's been great thanks and you did what took its place um well i do work out way more now which is even if it's like a crappy workout i'm just kind of proud of myself for going like and then that gives me like a little rush like we did it today we're in here you know we're we're doing that and then i do a smoke a shit ton of cigars jack and um yeah those are the main things what did you do drugs too when you were drinking yeah i was doing a lot of pills with the drinking you know because then i could stay awake all my friends would do like you know cocaine or whatever and then like i would be passing out from the alcohol is this funny it's a great follow-up question too yeah so it was like adderall and stuff yeah because um i would like pass out from drinking like at my house because i got a bunch of people over but i would hear them having fun downstairs and i'm like dude i'm missing out on the party yeah so then yeah you just start popping pills and doing whatever to try to keep uh to keep drinking i've never done adderall what's it feeling like i like cocaine i like cocaine i like cocaine i like cocaine i like the same shit right it is yeah i can't act like it's not i can't have it it doesn't help me study i tried it in college i was in a library i started just chatting with everybody and then i i took it i took it while drinking i got kicked out of a beastie boys concert and then i snuck back what do you do to get kicked out of a beastie boys concert what oh it's impressive well it was actually so for some reason whenever i take adderall and i've only ever taken a handful of times while drinking i get it in my head that like i have way more capabilities than i do so i was sitting there and i'm like i'm just like i was on this level remember my friends had ground floor tickets i had tickets of like this like you know not a balcony but it was like i was here and the floor was here but it was like a eight foot or whatever six or seven foot drop and then i could climb back up and get on the floor and i was like if if i look here all the security guards if i time it where all their backs are turned jump and jump up i'll disappear into the crowd no problem no problem limitless dude literally i jumped down finally and i went to jump into the crowd hoping like the crowd just completely parked around me i get tackled by two security guards they knocked one of my shoes off so i'm walking out with one shoe i go out and i'm like man this is and i like just kick my other shoe off and i saw like this they had the chain link fence where people smoke i just kind of found a gap in that went in went back in and then i they saw my friend who actually back in that he used to look like me so they were this is really shitty i mean but they were kicking him out mistaken identity that kindness was like that sucks i kept going the guy goes saw the fact that i had no shoes on it was like it's actually him so then he goes back i get kicked out again and then they were doing an aramark working like a shift worker thing so when the people were changing shifts from the aramark employees i got in line with the aramark employees again still in my socks walked in and then i walked under the bleachers i was near like dressing rooms and stuff walked under the bleachers crawled up and i found a gap between the bleachers and people like they went seats and my face just like came out and i just watched the concert next to them and then i walked all the way back from south philly to west philly so adderall yeah not good for me yeah not a good i can't do it sounds great it was pretty awesome why everyone isn't doing it adderall's great when you have ocd too because you just like organize a sock drawer you never looked at in your life yeah i don't i give myself the worst missions possible and i just i do them though i get them done but they're not they're not like a new hour of material in adderall it's all useless i've heard adderall is like anti-comedy like people who have like i've done stand up on adderall it's just apparently it's just a different wavelength that just doesn't translate i've learned from over a thousand podcast episodes the easier that you make your health routine the more consistent you'll be it's like golf right you want to 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welcome kit and that 90-day money back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to drinkag1.com modern wisdom that's drinkag1.com modern wisdom did you get through the full like alcohol withdrawals and everything yeah actually it's kind of funny i thought that i had covid i'm like ah just my luck man i get arrested and then i get out and now i got cold and then my doctor he's like no dude this is alcohol withdrawal and i was like oh that's a real thing and he goes yeah and so yeah it was uh it was it was a rough week but yeah that's like the one thing you can't quit cold turkey yeah yeah or you can but you you can kill you can die oh really yeah down the rabbit hole that and xanax really yeah you can die from xanax withdrawal too well actually i will admit i've never said this before but so when i got out of jail i did start drinking again i was like having beers and making light of it and then we're not making light of it but not how long were you in jail for uh a couple days waiting for a judge basically but the um when i got out i was like okay no one found out you know because i thought to myself while i was in jail without my phone like either everyone's talking about it or no one cares and no one knows and and they just think that i'm not answering my texts so when i got out i realized no one noticed but then uh like so then i started drinking again i went back to my softball team told some of my close friends about it but then like once it got public like once everyone started dragging me on the internet and making fun of me then i was like all right i guess i need to do some work you know like i need to figure out if this is so that the humiliation of everyone knowing about what happened is what made me take it seriously yeah i wrote a book called extreme ownership which is about like taking ownership of what's going on it seemed like another move could have just been like own it like hell yeah dude it was a good night i know yeah you're a comedian right right you should be like hey yeah dude yeah i go hard yeah who's with me yeah but also anybody drinking but you're not but my commitment to truth made me go this is a problem okay yeah like because normally i will just own you know any of my thoughts or opinions i don't really care what people think about those kind of things but i knew deep down like this is a problem you're using this as a fucking social pressure was the big kicker as well yeah interesting yeah i came off a 50 cent per day moped in bali 10 years ago and brakes go out from underneath me as i'm trying to avoid some truck land on the balinese tarmac all of this side of my arm is gone all the outside of my foot is gone like just skid the left-hand side of my body had no skin left on it but nothing broken and my first sensation i mean the middle of the road there's still balinese people are fucking idiot tourists again here we go like classic stuff my first sensation wasn't like fear for my life am i okay health concern it was like i look like such a prick it's embarrassment my main concern mortal fear yeah that was it yeah damn that's why that's what that's true like like i always say like uh with things like that you'll probably notice it the next day more like when you're thinking and you're going on this kind of hurts like because in that moment you're just going i gotta fucking figure this out adrenaline kicks in and yeah i've been trying to walk cool trying to walk away from the scene cool went to a beach club yeah continued on to a beach club with these two aussie guys that were traveling says i don't want to look like i'm not too cool one of them's like i'm medically trained i'm sure it'll be fine go to a beach club he's got like alcohol swabs doing that like have you ever had alcohol like a proper open like good bit of it hurts so bad i thought that i knew what the ceiling of pain like communication was that my nerves could could give to me and it just blew straight fucking through i could hear it i was like i can hear the fuck i started laughing it was so painful i was like this is absurd how fucking painful it is that someone just took the dial and like cranked it up to 100 yeah i had a uh ear infection when i was younger and i remember i feel like they used to dump like hydrogen peroxide yeah they used to do that and it bubbles yeah so i saw the bottle and rubbing alcohol was the same shape bottle and i was like i think this is the shit that my mom pours in my ear and i dumped rubbing alcohol into an ear infection i cried it hurt so bad it was probably to my knees it hurt i heard kidney stones are the worst though but kidney stones i've seen guys goes down pissed kidney stones what are they like you get some kind of buildup and you're like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna get some kind of buildup yeah kidneys and it has to come out it's like pissing a rock out it's like a rock oh it happens to a lot of people too by the way it's like birthing a fucking little infection it's worse than childbirth trust me no trust but no trust me i know well it's interesting you say that because we got i didn't know whether or not i was going to do this we also have hunter biden on the podcast on monday which is gonna be fucking hilarious so it's either today we're going to do it today i'm going to offer it to hunter biden we have period cramp simulators here this is some sort of feminist propaganda isn't it this is because of your wmba thing yeah i know it can stay it can stay we even know it's like some electronic thing but we gave it to one no we gave it to one of the guys i'm gonna have to do it before monday if i'm gonna get hunter biden to do it yeah yeah um we gave it to one of the guys and he's like i'm gonna test it on my arm and he had uh he had his wedding ring on his wedding ring immediately started heating up and he wasn't able to like close his hand for like a couple of hours like nick couldn't feel his fucking arm you ingest or do you inject it no it's like a it's one of those kind of like an ab machine type thing got it got it and it and it's supposed to simulate you immediately start once watching sex in the city yeah try to immediately order stuff off of amazon my first kid my wife was pregnant with my with our first kid and i went to the class where you're gonna go through like the birthing stuff and and so i'm in there and you know i'm you know being mr supportive dude whatever and you know where the woman's teaching this breathing and stuff and telling me what to do and like and she's actually gonna be in a lot of pain and i and i said you know what what's the pain from and you know just kind of you know i'd gone through like combat trauma and all that kind of what's the pain from and the woman's like you'll never know and i go no no i'm not saying i'll know but like just what's causing the pain she's like you don't understand what it's like i'm like okay yeah it's okay it's all good i'll just sit here and be quiet yeah that's you told yeah also i would pay any money to see you in like one of those classes yeah you just watch there's only one and i was like i have access to empathy can you please explain science briefly there is a short window that this special operator is actually able to feel feelings i'm desperately trying to understand what the love of my life's gonna go through uh okay i tried emotions once and it didn't go well it was i'm gonna be both in class you got you're on your own dude they're shitty when you're like the guy in the hospital they're like really shitty towards you i remember we were like uh i was with my wife and we had like hours and hours and hours and i i was like kind of point man i would run home do stuff like the dogs come back just like i was like i was like i was like i was like i was yeah and we had like we had plenty of time and i was like and they were scheduling a c-section i was like all right well what time are you doing this because i have to let the dogs out but i was just like do i have hours or should i stay here and they were like what literally she goes what do you have somewhere else to be and i was like is this gonna happen right away like what's the move here and then she was just a piece i felt like a piece of shit for even asking like hey just i got to do all this other shit too like yeah you know it was my responsibility to still we couldn't get someone to watch the dogs yeah so i was like fuck the dogs if we're doing it right now but if we do have three or four hours i can just let the dog starve yeah like what the fuck and the lady you would have thought i i'd been like yeah like all right we'll hurry the fuck up i was like just curious i wasn't in a rush i was like trying to help they they're shitty towards you that sucks i i think the reason for that is it's obvious the price that chicks pay when they go through labor and any guy that isn't like completely attuned to that just is seen as callous or flippant or not caring like you know you desperately trying to understand yeah hey please explain to me where this is coming from hey we also have these fur babies at home and it would be really nice if we made sure that they didn't sure we had been there for a day and a half so it wasn't like we had just gotten there we'd been there we you know we're doing all this stuff she was guessing must be like yeah lots of places it's been a day and a half i was like i just want to know if i can i can't i'm asking you completely you would have thought it was insane and the worst part too is like for the c-section like they dress you in scrubs so like they like took her back you work there well they took her they took her back and they're just like here put this shit on i'm like fucking like okay i'm like crying i'm like i'm like trying to put away then i'm just like in the hallway dressed up like a nurse just like where do i go yeah get back there i'm like all right fuck sorry guys you never feel like more of a boob than when your wife you know has a kid it's true you're like shit they really they get there someone should do something about it you're gonna sleep on a shitty couch the whole time yeah and there's really not you add nothing to the literally nothing oh god you're just nothing like yeah and then you're like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god everything you say is wrong it's just it's just it's just stand there you know i want to know what your bachelor party looked like what does jocko's bachelor party look like i don't think i didn't even have one no bachelor party yeah i mean my wife and i got married in the san diego courthouse you know like on a thursday afternoon i was wearing a t-shirt and a and a pair of surf shorts and flip-flops and went down got married it's a minimum viable wedding yeah yeah who was your best man uh i didn't have a best man there just like my platoon chief came down and was like do you have to bring a witness so i was like hey chief and he's like yeah so he went down there and got it done sorry sorry referring to your wedding just went down there and got it done in and out we've been married for like almost 30 years yeah you know yeah it's like unreal ceremony who needs flowers yeah me and my wife actually did it during covid same thing we got a packet of paper from city hall we got a packet of paper from city hall we got a packet of paper from city hall pennsylvania is like a quaker state technically so we did it it's called a quaker ceremony where you just get the packets from the city hall bring it home you sign it you have to give it like 48 hours and then like your neighbor can come witness and sign and then you're good to go yeah would you give it 48 hours for like to let it cool just yeah let it cool out yeah it doesn't just you know sober up it's not vegas you know what i mean you gotta we did do a we went to england and did we i don't know i don't know if this is an official thing but they called it a blessing where we did like a a marriage thing in england and we did a wedding and we did a wedding where we pretended like we were getting married even though we were already married yeah and everyone knew that we were dressed up and yeah we dressed up and all that stuff it's like the ceremonial way yeah like a ceremonial way and exactly we did the ceremony even though my wife was pregnant at the time you know which was the same thing yeah we did that we had a party afterwards and she was pregnant for it tier one ceremonial wedding yeah yeah you want to you want we're both here that's how you do it you go handle it and then we did we did the dog and pony show for the civilians and then there you go let's say it was the same exact thing she was she was pretty pregnant for the wedding and then we did the dog and pony show for the civilians and then we did the wedding yeah yeah my wife was like kind of pregnant for the wedding you could tell i could tell you can tell in the pictures you're kind of like oh good to go oh uh has dating changed since you've stopped drinking yeah it sucks now yeah why is it the women got uglier for you what's her name uh yeah that is way harder because like drinking was is the easiest thing you want to get drinks hey you want to go like it's just the way and now like you don't go to a coffee shop and both get nervous in front of each other exactly that's what it feels like like i literally uh i've been hanging out with this this woman who i really like and she's like i literally texted her because it was just not going well in the texts you know she's she's a girl i know from comedy and and i was like hey i think you're really attractive and you're nice to me like would you like to go out like i just had to eventually like just be saying the thing yeah because i couldn't just be like we're getting drinks after comedy and then we would have like flirted there and then that would have went whatever way it would have went it's like love on the spectrum right away i'd like to see you it feels exactly like that yeah and then we watch anime and drink down and do for dinner you're saying sober dating is like love on the spectrum it is okay hard it's not going well what do you think would happen if the love on the spectrum was done with booze then would that just turn normal what do you mean like if you're saying you got them drunk yeah i think they can drink can't they they can they can oh yeah and they can order drinks that would be yes you know you just if it's not spicy enough already we can just like throw a little bit of booze turns into love spike in the drinks they go we didn't even know it's gonna yeah it would devolve i think yeah i think it's that's like that's like a very heartwarming pure show i don't like it i talk trash about it all the time why oh multiple reasons just you know what's the number one complaint well they don't pay them first of all two everyone's watching it like we're watching children dating they go isn't it cute it's very condescending to look at grown-ups and be like oh they're dating like we do and like i hope i hope they're dating like we do and i hope they're for the best it's very my my biggest problem with it is it's called love on the spectrum but they don't respect the spectrum they'll pick some guy who's super high functioning and pair him with some girl who's super not high functioning and be like maybe this is a match and then they're on the date and he's like i think you're great and i think you're wonderful and i think you're awesome and i think you're pretty what about me and then she's like oh handsome you're like that's not a perfect that's perfect no it's not perfect but my point is like i don't like it i think everything everything they're doing is like too exploitive. I don't think it's good. - I was so ready for this. to push back i thought it was going to be a really judgmental take from you and it's like it's really convincing yeah well it's actually kind of convincing it's so we're seducing them with celebrity now now they like think they're famous the one famous couple already broke up she's on like everything now it's just it's too much yeah that's fair although it's so sweet though like you're seeing them they're with their parents and like they're like this never would have happened i don't know i watch that he's doing the exact same thing you just said that's what i'm saying but it's so look at them report bro dude they're living the dream dude they're already fine leave them alone they don't need a wife and kids they're so frustrated what uh there's another a part of it that that is is like they have a diagnosis right that that they don't like bright lights and loud noises that the high pressure situations make them buzz and then we're like how about uh how about we put a 10 camera shoot on netflix how about we keep interrupting them every five minutes on a fucking first date you're like leave them alone if you want them to date that's fine but maybe don't exploit them on a television show you're not paying them it's crazy i had no money james has that james you know james right uh which one he was the guy who goes sword guy renaissance fair i like that he's got liquid he's got i've seen every episode and i'm rooting for them as humans i'm saying that when you watch the show it feels a little icky but what about you got to push past that he's doing great he's got he's got he's got liquid death sponsorship that is the most human answer i've ever heard what a great moment he's got a liquid push back past that listen he's got swords liquid death he's got a liquid death sponsorship i i tried watch try started watching an episode and i kind of i didn't you articulated what i kind of felt when i was watching i was like this is just i didn't feel good about myself watching i watched like five minutes i'm like okay this is enough of this if you've ever saw a 40 year old dating another third like 45 year old or whatever and you go isn't it cute it's like don't talk to them like that they're not retarded these are these are these are grown-ups with autism like treat them like adults i'll be honest you would never go to someone's table and go are you two having a good time this is i really support this you're like get the hell out of here like it's it's it's mean they're they're adults i watch it and i laugh the entire time yeah and then i cry they get me every time i like their directness but that's just autism that has nothing to do with dating it's so funny yeah i also think that's what's going on inside of every single person dating it just doesn't come out the same way yeah oh the same thing the people in love on on the spectrum don't have the filter that everybody else exactly yeah and i like that point but i like that about autism i don't need them to be on a dating show to appreciate that about what would be great would be uh love on the spectrum love island crossover episode that's what i'm saying yeah like 50 50 to just throw a couple of grenades would this be on epstein's island or what this sounds really creepy try to figure it out you know it's very it's like traitor or whatever and it's like trying to work out which but you don't know love on the spectrum yeah and you're trying to work out to be fair has got which once you got people who are that hot you throw some autism in there it's not you know mentally you're in like thin air i gotta push past it the liquid death sponsorship's just waiting on the other hot chicks being like you're like really funny yeah you know a lot about weapons i never knew that about medieval times well i just think also i mean it's just i think that we've got this idea of like rom-coms and then that's what a relationship is which i don't believe in and so like to push that on autistic people on the show because they're looking for some sort of like notebook like thing i just i just feels like very fraudulent yeah tell me if this sounds familiar you train regularly you eat reasonably well you feel fine but you're just kind of going off vibes most people have absolutely no idea what's going on inside their body and that is why i partnered with function function gives you access to more than 160 advanced lab tests spanning hormones heart health kidney function and even detects early signals linked to more than 50 types of cancer to put that in perspective your typical annual physical might test 20 markers function runs over 160 it's huge best of all you test twice a year and everything lives inside of a simple dashboard so you track trends over time make sure you're moving in the right direction and this level of testing would usually cost thousands but with function it is 360. five dollars per year just one dollar a day to actually know what's happening inside of your body and right now you can get 25 off bring it down to 340 bucks get the exact same blood panels that i use and save 25 by going to the link in the description below or heading to function health.com slash modern wisdom that's function health.com slash modern wisdom how do you view relationships you are you no romance or like how do you how do you think about romanticism basically uh i don't even know how to answer that i don't know like everyone else i'd like to find a partner i think it's good i think it's healthy yeah but you're both married with kids what advice have you got for jeff on how to find a good woman how old are you 43 should have probably figured it out by now well behind the power curve as they say one of those late bloomers do you uh where do you find you know where are you dating where you where you find your girls i apparently found one from the comedy scene yeah i mean uh and you sent her weird autistic messages already you're saying i like i like the way like where jeff gets arrested for going to kids things it's just so direct there's no fat on it when he talks about my life what you met a girl in comedy when he sent her autistic text messages is that where you're getting them jeff military precision use your power exactly would you find some weakling that you could pick from the pack um so you know i usually just meet women on instagram from like after comedy shows and things that is a thing apparently though what the girls after the shows yeah or that you meet them at the like after because now you know that they're interested in you because they saw kind of what you're about up there they listen to you talk for 70 minutes and they go you know they're interested um and then you can kind of figure it out from there and usually the comics go somewhere after the clubs and all that stuff it's not a i wouldn't recommend it it hasn't worked out for me as far as anything i've had some some i also think you don't get things you don't believe in and i've been somewhat skeptical of relationships and romance in general so um so maybe how does the skepticism of romance and relationships show um what do you mean i don't know what that means like if you think that they're a psyop like that jocko's not actually married or that matt's like no no no no i think it's fantastic i think that if you um love someone enough you got to kind of like compromise a lot of stuff that's what being a man is you kind of compromise a lot of stuff is things you say hey i can't go have fun and be drunk guy and i can't be going doing this and if i'm going to be on the road i need to kind of think about how long i'm going to be on the road whereas i'm making all the decisions for my career so i can have more money and more friend time and things like that i've made a lot of selfish decisions that wouldn't it's like why i don't have a dog i love dogs i can't think of anything i like more but if i was to have a dog right now i'd be a very selfish dog owner just letting him be at my house while i'm gone forever and so the same thing is just kind of true with relationships i would love to be with a partner who's awesome who i love and i would love to be with a partner who's awesome who i love and i would love to be with i really believe in it you want a crater it's just right now well it's just right now it's like i don't know how i'd be a good boyfriend and i'll figure it out and i'll make sacrifices but i haven't found anybody worth making that sacrifice for that's all i'm sure someone will come around and i'll be like holy shit and i'll okay i'll take this weekend off let's go to mexico i mean i've done it before you meet someone you dolphin ride yeah the chick that we rode dolphins and i got an ectopic pregnancy with yeah do you get lonely when you're just sitting there yeah we're all lonely i'm super lonely i don't think that has to do with single guy i think we're i've got i got a theory that single guys after 7 p.m in the house go completely fucking insane absolutely well you nailed it there is nothing that single guys in the house can do between the hours of like 7 p.m and 11 p.m that isn't fucking weird but joe joe sanagato was telling me one of his one of his friends got out of a relationship and started sending him headstand videos is that you're doing headstands yeah i got into it it's like needing time to do it youtube it's like it's like needy time for bed like what are you doing like doing stuff why are you upside down yeah it's really funny guys after 7 p.m kind of go a bit insane i think you're right i think it's a hilarious sentence but i think it might be something to it yeah if you're not working and you're not going out partying and doing stuff yeah like oh well i'm gonna start doing like emails at this time i i sadly absolutely need a woman to structure my life otherwise it's just i'm toast i can't do it she's got so angry at this there was we i've talked about this on the they thought it sounded like was uh guys are unable to have hobbies and like move themselves forward in life on an evening time if they don't have a woman with them i think it's completely different to that i think it's we are domesticated and civilized by women and if left to our own devices do insane stuff sure like that's not like this is how you get obsessed with like crypto or like warhammer 40k and stuff in like ways painting miniatures and collecting wrestling toys yeah when you have room for it but it's not the sort of thing that you're supposed to do until two in the morning because it's like kind of taken over you yeah it's like you need a woman to go like hey hey it's it's it's bedtime i still need to yeah i need to be put to bed seriously yes i need someone to be like bedtime and i'm like fine thank god i'll say i'll say up by myself that's what i do every night last i knew i had to be up for a car service at like six or it was six la time eight o'clock here and uh i just watched youtube i watched the first episode of hard knocks and i was like ah fuck it i'll just stay away i was like it's kid mentality of like we can stay up as late as we want yeah no one can tell me otherwise it's like i need someone to tell me otherwise yeah but i don't i'm fine i feel good good as a made my car service as a man who's famously up at 4 30 a.m a lot do you need someone to tell you go to bed no i mean i'm tired at the end of the day go to bed yeah yeah not that big of a deal i guess um don't say fucking yeah you don't go to bed early i'm saying i do what i want he's saying he does he does what he wants if i want to go to sleep i will go to sleep and if i don't i'll fucking stay up that's why i don't need a gal to go hey honey no offense i need that no i need that man yeah i just don't uh i i would you know civilizing force have you ever had any conflict with the british missus around the fucking no because you're a large it's london time pretty much you're a lot you're a large man i imagine that you rolling out of bed well she she's she sleeps pretty heavily you know and so i just get up and go go about my business could you imagine how much harder your marriage would have been with you up at 4 30 a.m every single day if your wife was a light sleep oh yeah that would that would be a bummer but you know what you're getting up earlier than here i don't understand the question just getting up early with while my wife is still sleeping so famously wakes up at that that watch has had to oh it's a new one no it's well it's the same model i got about they re they reproduced them now so nice because of you i don't know probably well apparently you must have how many how many photos of your watch do you think you posted thousands yeah yeah probably thousands of photos and it's always like 4 15 a.m 4 4 fucking 29 a.m i just picture his wife is as crazy as her him you know she's a what i've noticed is you have to be up typically if you're living with a woman you should be up before her because if they wake up i've been in a situation where a girl has a job and i don't yes when they wake up for work and you're in bed resent you the huffs and puffs yeah yeah it's they're real loud slamming shit there's vacuuming that needs oh yeah if you're asleep and they're awake is there something going on there yeah they're like i what the fuck get up why am i up this guy's protecting me and you're just like oh this is the one i chose you have a pillow between your knees yeah oh i remember i would i'm like fake sleeping i'm awake but i'm like i'm not moving the one i picked wearing a razor ramon tank top not they're not a fan you got to get up before him yeah yeah they're putting on like dress clothes and you're just like farting hair's crazy yeah they're not they are not fans i think that's what it is about being single that i like is that it's like just you can do anything you want and that's a very selfish thing to say that like i can just fly to wherever i want or perform i could say yes to any gig or thing like that and i think that a like a man with a partner doesn't do that he goes no we got this we need to plan ahead if i'm gonna do a thing i can't just leave my family for five weeks same thing with the dog same thing yeah it's a little bit selfish but it's it's it's a lot easier or not a lot easier but it's a different type of good the grass is greener yeah what's the weirdest date you've been on since you've been sober um i haven't done any dates really yeah smashing grabs his words not mine i actually hope you have no female viewers not anymore yeah they're gonna go this guy sucks no dates well i mean i guess they are dates they're just not very formal it's not like we're going to like a thing just eating pussy right no no i mean i guess oh i'll tell you one here's one we went to a movie and dinner that's a date right yeah how was it um god it was not good you ever had a woman come out to you know you can't go go back to your house and change you know you can't like she came out of her house and i got jesus i'm gonna be walking around with this what was the outfit she it was ridiculous it was it was it was like uh we were going to a party or something i'm going now i have to because i dress pretty you know cowboy guy you know i was going she was scantily clad you're saying very very revealing clothes silky like little like one-piece dress is a problem for you no it's not a problem necessarily if i already loved her or something but it's a first date we're like we're judging each other you know it's kind of a first date so i'm going i don't need this you know but anyway she gets in my truck and we go and um the part that made me think of it is we were watching a movie called back rooms now the i won't spoil it in back rooms it's still in theaters whatever but the idea is that like you're trying to put together what's happening as the movie's going so i'm in i'm all in i'm like this movie rules she keeps talking she's okay and this is this guy is i think he's in this other movie and i'm like yeah he's in a lot of movies you know and she just keeps talking and i don't want her talking during the movie it's like i was with my niece or something and i was just kind of like trying to give her the signals you know that i don't like it after like an hour into the movie i'm liking the movie the movie rules i'm excited i'm trying to figure out where it's going also all my friends talk about the thing and then she goes this movie sucks let's leave and i was like god damn it and so we left never got to see the other half of back rooms and people like how was it and i go i don't know i saw the beginning and i don't know but i left because i'm a good guy did you pump did you really i dropped her off i think it broke her mind because women don't aren't used to offering up themselves in in a vulnerable sexual way with they're not they've never had rejection men are pretty good at it we get rejected we go yeah that's what it's like to be a guy yeah you're right actually she's i don't think this could be a beautiful woman i don't she was like what like she goes you don't want to come in i was no thanks it was nice it was great and then she i lied tonight was great and then she's like well i can come back to you and i was like nah i gotta get up early which is not true either turning around and going back to back rooms well i think it broke her brain like what is he what do you mean yeah like it doesn't go well for even like whatever the woman looks like they're 100 of the time when they offer up sex like there's takers you know yeah so far so that kind of rattled her i think but also it's like i'm not we talked about this last time like not being hot to trot like if you're not ready if you get the big call yeah and you're not ready whether it's committed relationship or not it's like a there's some fallout what do you think she'd say if we heard her side of the story same thing i think she said the same thing which you'd be like yeah so he comes out gets out of the truck like i'm dressed up nice and he comes up looking like a total no she didn't try and he's got this stupid truck he's like he's like all into this lame movie no no we get back here we get back here we get back here we get back here he thinks he's gonna get me and i'm just like um you can come in if you want please say no please say no please say no thank god he said you know you want to know what every girl has said about me this day to me because i don't think that girl would say that this is what a hundred percent of every woman that's ever been around me says that guy won't shut the fuck up that's all it is i'm like my whole jabbering yammering existence i talk a lot like i just i so if someone's with me for longer than a month they're like this guy needs me to just talk back rooms yeah that's my biggest flaw i can't be quiet i'm a talker well what's your plan with the is it just never going to happen again because you got the pussy you got the pussy on ice right now what does that mean you put her on ice that's what you your move what you did i will never talk again that's why i don't mind telling that story okay yeah i'm saying you guys i'm not interested you have it on ice right now yeah but i could i could tell after hour one i was like this is going nowhere what that's why why sleep good for you especially if you're not drinking anymore because otherwise it might be a little different yeah i know when i was drinking like there was a lot of casual sex i don't do that now oh really i don't want to do that so you're just that's nice yeah i think it's better it keeps me more level yeah you start hooking up and then that's like just inviting these like um kind of social entanglements in your life because every once you sleep with a girl she's like oh i know that guy you know like now they got now they're telling stories so now it's not cat now it's not cat i don't want to do that so how do you what's your threshold for entering sexual i think if i liked the chick i would then i would yeah it's casual no but i mean if i i mean if i'm like i like her and i'm like i think i think i want to it's just not you're not doing it for the sake of doing it what's the threshold if she's just into me upright if i like if she wants to is this particularly bad in la like i imagine seeing me like parties people talking gossip i think la and new york are unique in the fashion that like everyone is so single for so long it's more socially acceptable to be single yeah and so then that creates all these extra problems also dating is so complicated already while it's ever changing yeah so now dating apps and climbing and do you follow them or do they follow you back and it's just becomes it was already somewhat complex and now you have like we've normalized girls talking to a million guys at once and being like well i'm not sleeping with them i'm just yeah there's just too many things where it's ever changing that it's it's it's uh not fun and so i think most guys uh i'll speak for them my friends and i i think they just feel like defeated like they're not even defeated just like fatigued like we don't want to deal with this shit so i just don't join in the reindeer games and then when a girl catches my that i'm interested in then i will pursue her and i'll ask her out and i'll make those sacrifices which i've done recently there's a girl i kind of like so yeah it's been good unreal i wait are you married no okay no we talked about this before the uh like last chopper out of saigon like at what point did it feel safe to do like dating and then it doesn't and you're just like found the chick fucking 30 years ago everything worked out great and i didn't need to think about it again it must be so nice to have just like shelved that part so now i get to focus on everything else including building the family and having the dog and doing the business yeah no this is definitely making me feel like i made a good decision no you didn't yeah no you know what's funny sounds like a hard show well so sometimes like these guys will see me doing like fun things or like i'll have like a wild night or something like that or at the golf tournament they're like you were with like a babe last night or whatever and they're like married guys and i and i think that in that moment they're going man i'm not going to do that i'm not going to do that in that moment they're going man this seems pretty good i go yeah last night my life is way better than yours yeah so there's little moments where i do get to win and you guys have like this whatever but trust me if you found someone you love you're winning that's that's it you the grass is greener over there i i'm lonely on christmases i'm on airplanes alone i'm on stage on my green rooms alone i'm alone a lot i live alone i think that there's flashes of like this is way more exciting i'm on a jet ski we look at her blah blah blah but i think that like we're all trying to we're all trying to find love except these autistic kids and you're doing headstands uh some people are reportedly spending up to 13 000 in an effort to reset their body count to zero a clinic in brazil is offering hymen reconstruction surgery with reports claiming many of its patients are women over 30 who want a fresh start before entering a serious relationship or marriage jocko you've got a very different kind of body count would you consider hymen surgery to reset yours well my man doesn't have a hymen you have a guy but you do have a very different kind of body count to the ones that the girls are going to go and do right and neither one of them can reset it there's nothing in the world that we can reset either of those that's true yeah that's true but that's that's the thing that's chicks going to brazil what a what a what a scam oh look we talk that's that's new chapter that ought to delete justin's contact card out of your phone there you go that's it i mean 13 grand oh look at that virgin there she is she got some flower water poured on her head and now that means she didn't bang ricky like what a dumb thing this is such a scam yeah that's pretty tough they're like they ever see the cacao ceremonies people do they like drink hot chocolate and they're like whoa i'm tripping there's a real thing it's called cacao ceremonies they like drink a lot of hot chocolate and they're like oh my god my pineal gland is opening up and they like well here's how high is your body count that you're flying you're there you eat enough cacao like how many dudes did you bang that you needed to go to aruba or whatever to get someone to pour water on your head like it just kind of suggests that you're a whore just doing this thing like all right sorry i gotta do a trip i'm gonna you know i gotta reset my body you know like that's crazy yeah you don't need to be exercised i'm going to brazil to be exercised it's insane to me ed i think it's a little but the cacao thing the i've seen them in like uh kuya that that hot and cold place that's here they do these cacao things i i do look at it and sometimes think that's just like a horlicks or like a nest quick like oh it's probably nice to drink hot chocolate yeah it's nice drinking chat with your what's this cacao ceremony it's just very funny does that not look nice it's very nice i want chocolate to just break in there and bite him in the face do you watch this and just go what are we doing i kind of like drink protein chocolate protein all the time i'm talking about the tent and it makes me kind of feel like this right here that's nice it does look nice i'll be honest but it's dumb as hell here's the problem it's like that'd be a tough combo the entire time what would the hot chocolate just hot chocolate talk with adults this doesn't make you mad no it's riling me up it makes me laugh look at them i bet they're all in there go oh you know this is a sub we don't have kids who needs kids fight the patriarch look at them is that not like you though is that not just the female version of you but with hot chocolate no that's not me bro it's ridiculous i like the hot chocolate don't get me wrong that's not what i'm judging they were talking about them in a tent sitting cross-legged and going like hey does it next up is a slam poetry about race like what are we doing yeah that's a thing man that's a cow it's like that's like the super psychedelic people go for they go like i'll do the cacao ceremony if you don't want to do yeah i feel like i would do that i wouldn't do the psychedelic but i'd do the cacao ceremony yeah i might do one this afternoon it would be nice yeah we should have done it we should have started off with like ceremonial grade cacao you've seen who got fucking actually hunter biden on monday yeah no let's get his threshold for anything he's gonna be period cramps while you have some hot cocoa you gotta win the female audience back somehow you know what i mean that's my bad god damn it yeah man what uh are you still on are you weeding still are you still smoking or he's because you did for a while right yeah i did for like a really long time it naturally kind of just fell off honestly so it wasn't a get arrested no oh no no i got a question for matt yeah you're still drinking raw milk straight from the absolutely yeah dude absolutely are you against raw milk not at all that was awesome when you told me about it i was like i gotta try this it rules the problem is you're against weed my commitment to like finding this fucking milk was not as yours it's go to a farmer's market you're in a farmer's market i don't even never been to a farmer's market in my life that's crazy those places piss me off too i go in i go what is all this dog shit farmers go to the store no you need the raw milk she's lab grown you're eating lab grown meat what the hell you eat the lab grown meat in california i don't want to but it's pretty easy to get i'll be there yeah what's the sales case for raw milk you i have if i drink regular pasteurized milk i get congested i fart like i'm like lactose intolerant if i drink raw milk no problem you strike me as a raw milk guy yeah we get some raw milk on it's awesome you know the only thing that sucks about is it goes bad really quick yeah you gotta you gotta you gotta get really small bottles so you get a bottle just drink it within an hour yeah no you have you have like going bad honey you have six days to chug the gallon i just we just six days is all right that's not bad for a gallon kill a gallon in six days but yeah the uh but yeah the weed i slowed down but it's always there i tap it when i need to it doesn't agree with me at all i hate weed it really doesn't why so why do you hate weed just doesn't work for me one and then two i feel like it's a dreamer's nightmare you know like all these guys i know are chasing their dreams and then they smoke weed and they just don't do anything they just sit around they're already kind of sitting around and now they're just all sitting around more i know so many people that smoke weed and do all kinds of stuff that's good i really the world is kind of split into a few groups of people this is kind of an interesting thing i learned from a dude called edward slingle and he wrote a book about alcohol and one of the reasons that alcohol got spread so wide uh civilizationally is that it's very reliable how it affects people like you drunk is pretty similar to the sensation of me drunk is pretty similar even if your behavior is a bit different the sensation is kind of the same but one person that smokes weed gets horny one person gets sleepy one person gets creative one person gets forgetful and lazy and it's like the fact that it's so buried yeah means that it's kind of a bit of a shitty drug to do together because everyone's going off and fucking different or hard to understand why i would not like it and he would like it why don't you like it i'm going it's terrible when i do you don't want to be around me when you i freak out still a lot but it's kind of once you like figure ride that wave down i will say i think mushrooms are way better than i love mushrooms mushrooms rule i would say mushrooms yeah you should do mushrooms and run a marathon after this we should all do it actually be awesome that'd be awesome go rock and roll get some cacao and some and then all you said are fucking that's weird though the alcohol thing like i know people that when they get when they drink they get they're crying in the corner about yeah i know some other dude's gonna fight everybody someone else is laughing someone else gets super social like that seems a little bit strange to me to hear that yeah that was his argument i i think the sensation is at least the same for most people maybe their behavior changes um but you you are right i mean i ran nightclubs for a decade and a half i saw a million people on the front door of nightclubs and you see every different version of like inner child demon come back out like my we had this pic this is kind of interesting for anyone that still works in nightlife or in hospitality if a girl walks into a venue a late night venue usually after 10 or 11 p.m wearing a jacket of some kind maybe a denim jacket or a leather jacket one of those like suit jacket things and she doesn't have her arms in the sleeves 70 to 80 chance she's going to get thrown out within the next hour like they were always every single time that they went in they were the ones that would like swill someone throw a drink on someone it's kind of like the cut off leather jacket like sort of smoking kid in high school it was just every single time it became a meme and we didn't even know why we just kind of started to select this thing and we'd be like dude jacket something about sleeves those hells angels never sure enough sure enough fucking 45 minutes later she's throwing a drink over someone that bitch over there she slept she that fucking slide before you know at the doorstep like you know like an unwieldy cat like picked her up like this yeah you have to you have to as a bouncer you have to like fold women's arms across their chest just got to strike first slap him with a period cramp simulator and then yeah the bell curve for alcohol probably is there's probably is it there's outliers but there probably is way more of just people it's a good way to put it yeah i think that's true we did we in a crowd of people who are all high is like 50 of people are dipping off stuff it's not really a good crowd thing yeah i'd like to know who runs pr for marijuana because like when i say i don't want to do drugs anymore people are like oh you must have a problem or i don't want to drink the guys who cares the second i push back against marijuana everyone's like dude what are you talking about man you just got to try a different strand and like well what happened and how many times have you tried i'm like good i just don't want to fucking do it dude yeah it's not good and then everyone just keeps pushing it on me it is resilient alcohol is alcohol is the same though everyone who drinks is like come on man have a drink well they want to drink with you they want your company yeah yeah it's the only drug where if you don't do it people assume you have a problem yeah hey dude why are you not why are you not shooting up crack tonight come on just do a little yeah just get it's a tuesday just do a little heroin i've heard that people who start shooting heroin there is a big thing where they're trying to get other people to start shooting heroin too because then they get to be the guy who gets you heroin yeah now that you're like a middleman so they can do free heroin but they're bad salesmen because they're all like hunched over and you're like i can't trust i used to i used to work with this guy and he had just he would just be sweating all he was shooting heroin all the time he could be like me sweating all the time he'd be like dude honestly if you shot one bag you'd be partying and like dude it was he was living in this like pretty fucked up thing and his like girlfriend was there just on a mattress when you walk in and just be like he was like kind of tricking her out too and it was just kind of like yeah i think i'm all right i think i'm gonna steer clear of joining your man of the people have you ever heard hunter biden talk about crack yeah i saw that i sent you the clip earlier on today what is that it is just the best ad read for crack i've ever heard in my entire life he makes crack sound fucking awesome there's a comic named jimmy uh who is one of my favorite people in cleveland he's the best and he said he did uh he did crack one time and because he does all the drugs and then one night he's just on one so he's like i'll try it bought it from like a homeless guy and he said it felt so good that he started to walk to his bank account like i'm gonna take all of my money and just get as much of this yeah the first time he ever did it but he passed out on the way to like the atm and just slept like on the street like again he goes but i'm just telling you the sensation that i felt was the greatest thing i've i've ever felt in my life and that's how addicted one of my neighbor's nephews told he was a meth head and ended up going to jail and did seven years in jail and when he got out he was just talking to me about and he said he tried meth for the first time he goes as soon as i tried it it was the only thing i ever wanted to do for the rest of my life it's crazy he did he burned like every bridge and you know in in his neighborhood and his whole family and then the next city and he ended up going all over america until he eventually got busted in texas that's crazy yeah down a while pretty powerful weird keyhole in the back of some people's brains or systems or whatever and just the right drug just like fucking explosion like the rest of your life just falls apart yeah that's how opiates are for some people i remember i tried like percocets and stuff and was like that's like a painkiller yeah i was like not really for me i was like i don't understand these things i know people tried them it was that was it they were just like this is it yeah this uh 70h stuff yeah is seven hydroxy trajanine something i watched uh hamilton morris the dude that used to do the vice documentaries about drugs he did this breakdown of what was going on with it it's being used to get people off opiates but it's they're also sold in gummy bears a gas station it's great it's kratom based yeah it's like pressed crate it's like it's like kratom's kratom you know like trank is fentanyl's fentanyl uh it's this but legal and the fucking shell garage on south lamar has just got stacks and stacks and so there's kratom and then there's the 708 bills and then i think it's really impair you if you drive like is it i don't understand 13 times i think more stronger than morphine like you're selling it at the 7-eleven yeah and then though it's called it's like purses yes like prks yeah i think they're illegal now i think they're making them illegal they're trying to yeah right now they're like apparently i think they're i swear to god like i think it's maybe even today that they're trying to pass the vape shops are crushed between the thca or what is it delta 8 thc that now if you get caught with delta 8 in texas you go to jail for like five five years what's that a strong form of thc not even but it's like the synthetic thc stuff that they're selling in vape shops and uh now all that stuff's like super illegal in texas and they're selling it in the vape shops and they're selling it in the vape shops in texas like a vape cartridge i think a vape cartridge is like five years what they kept on doing was basically adding some new molecule we're going to change this one bond and this one bond and it doesn't affect anything to do with how your body interacts with it delta 9 delta 10 delta 11 you just keep on running away and the legislation can't catch up quickly enough and what's going on with this it was the farm bill the farm bill said farm bill that people you could grow cbd basically which like hemp is weed they're saying things it's just like you can kind of you know curate it to or whatever cannabinoids so you can grow weed with thc that's weed if you grow weed with cbd it's hemp it's like you know it's it's the same exact plant but then you could do the thing where if you take every cbd plant has like 0.3 thc but if you grow a whole field of it you could isolate all that thc and get like thousands of grams of pure thc and that was technically legal to then make drinks with so then they did a thing where you could have weed with thca which is just regular weed when you heat thca turns into thc that's like when you decarboxylate weed to make brownies or whatever you have to heat it up in the carbon molecule whatever and the uh so they were just selling thca weed it was just weed legally for like three years due to the hemp farm bill that was federally legal that's why weed was legal for four years basically and then they just i think they're repeating this have you been to amsterdam and had the uh so they've got mushrooms which is what grows above ground and then truffles yeah which is the root system and it's just the same thing but they legislated what was above ground right right and hey if you eat i like those kind of rules yeah it's not the top part pal yeah the funny thing with the farm bill it became that the u.s department of agriculture was overlooking weed grows for like four years so you could literally grow weed and a guy from the u.s department of agriculture would be like yeah it looks good there was no it wasn't they should have like the dea so unregulated it was weed was unregulated for like four years some guy that knows fertilizer and crop rotation combine harvest is very nice yeah i had to take a selfie just to watch porn last night oh you did it yeah oh because you're in texas yeah texas guy you gotta have you said you're an adult no yeah i did it well i got your phone or something selfie yeah it said hey but take a selfie let's take a dick pic true no i did i'm in some database now where they go yeah but there's this selfie you go he goes oh he's old enough because that's not the case in that's a real thing i'm not making that up your political enemies are going to use that you're in the fucking what i looked at sorry sorry guys that i looked at porn you're in the dns i'm a terrible guy did do it on the 20th floor we don't look alone for 15 days straight you might look at some porn sorry guys you're not in texas for 15 days no i was just saying i was alone for 15 days i see yeah what are you doing in town what's what else is going on i've got mothership shows uh all weekend unreal but then i just been doing shooting guns and hanging out with friends and dropping into jocko as well that's it can you tell us about can you tell that story about the huge fuck off sniper rifle thing i don't know i don't know i don't that was so funny yeah uh so somebody made a sniper rifle to to see if this was a good idea and i want to see it was either 20 millimeter or 25 i think it was a 25 millimeter sniper rifle and they brought it up to our sniper school and they wanted to see if this like it was a viable idea so 25 millimeter is massive this is a massive freaking bullet and this uh they start giving it students to see if they can hit anything well you're you're like a bracing for for that thing to go off and no one could shoot it properly and you know guy might hit the target one time and then they're just so petrified to pull the trigger again they'd miss and they'd just be like hey i'm not shooting this anymore and so i have a buddy who was the senior guy that was in charge of the sniper school who is one hard hard individual and little crazy and no one could make this gun work and then finally he's like all right give it to me and he sat down and just like gritted his teeth and just cracked off a round hit the target just sucked it up cracked off another round hit the target again cracked off three that's like a normal three round group puts it all on target and the people that have manufactured this weapon like oh my gosh it's a viable option and he just got up was like do not make this weapon it was just so crazy but a testament to that dude who is like just a hard crazy i'm like that dude yeah he's like the guy one of the guys we were talking about earlier like yeah you know you he he would need an hour and a half to get it out you know what i mean but that's exactly who you want in war like somebody that'd be like oh you want no one can do this cool watch this i'll do it i'll i'll take whatever concussive impact there is to the shooting this thing i'll do it what is it that's happening if you fire a gun that's that big is it just the shock wave is it the fact that it's hitting you in the body like what where's the yeah the worst thing is the shock wave like the shock wave that concussive wave that you're going to get over your head you know is going to be this can be gnarly and it's like just sickness disorienting little like micro getting cracked in the head you look when you spar and you get somebody cracks you and you're like oh you see a little white flash and you can still power through it like he did and then you take another you know crack to the head and you're like okay i can power to you that's cracking you to the head yeah you you're cracking the trigger of this thing and then the next day you're like wow i wonder why i have this headache oh yeah i can't remember the last day exactly is that not you know when guys have got huge cannons and they're like in world war ii and stuff like that would that not have been that time totally totally yeah would it affect a dolphin's brain the same as it possibly possibly depends on who's riding the things back the shock is what hurts the worst after like after picking minds off the straight of your ears yeah probably i always think about seeing world war ii shit when the guys are just loading huge shells in and then they've got a like a bathroom light switch pole boom yep they didn't even wear hearing protection either no like they didn't wear hearing protection just got some yeah i thought about that today when i was shooting just about how much my grandpa would have loved just the technology that was in the scope the scope alone i was like this is i mean i'm nailing it because the scope is so accurate and whatever it's like they didn't have any of that you know they're chasing away shooting stuff what's the truth around there's these rumors i don't know whether it was world war ii or vietnam or whatever the number of soldiers that never fired their weapon directly at the enemy yeah did that ever get debunked or whatever yeah it got debunked so there's a guy named sla marshall who wrote this book and wrote these theories about how and he went around and interviewed soldiers and it turns out, you know, it wasn't true, you know. like he used it and it's kind of he had the hypothesis going into it but it wasn't true and the theory was that maybe people on one side of the battle were not prepared to try and fire that weapon the theory was like it's such an abhorrent thing for humans to like shoot a weapon at other humans that they just would get to that point and they'd go i can't do it and you know the number was like 10 of only 10 of the troops involved in direct combat would actually engage the enemy and so that's when they started using man-shaped silhouettes to shoot at for targets and and even putting like pictures so you get oh they're going to condition these guys to be able to shoot you know at man-shaped targets because they said they needed that kind of conditioning but again the guy sla marshall he was you know he was like a reservist and he was a he was a journalist in his regular life so it's kind of him you know hyping up a story and also pretty nuts to explain like world war ii casualty numbers but yeah it was just 10 of the guys yeah but yeah imagine if everybody else had decided to fire just be no one left yeah yeah yeah that's pretty nuts yeah and he he kind of he also made some stories up about how much he had been in combat in world war one so it's the whole thing and he had a lot of clout inside the military you know he had a lot of clout from that you know he wrote that that theory he wrote another theory about how much weight guys can carry that was a little bit more realistic but yeah so it's a little bit debunked what happens to guys like that is he on like a list right now or is like people want to kill him or something like that i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know that guy you know when someone starts publishing shit and making things up it must piss you off yeah i think it pisses everyone off yeah that's my point that's a good it's kind of the rule is the code yeah like hey don't try and make yourself into something that you weren't you know and generally speaking it's like oh you're in the military good job thank you for your service whether you know there's a whole spectrum of things that you could do everyone from being a a supply clerk to somebody that's on the front lines yeah you know get in direct combat and it's like yeah everyone did their part thank you for doing your part people get into troubles when they make it out to seem as if they did more than they actually yeah so yeah also one time i was at top golf and my friend josh nelson for a six dollar discount they go are you a veteran or a senior citizen or whatever if stolen valor he said i was he said that he was a veteran and he got six bucks off yeah i'm coming for you what's his name jeff johnson josh nelson josh nelson really 25 millimeter rifle six bucks josh was it worth it he's probably chili the the uh chili's discount and everything yeah well she just goes are you a senior citizen or a veteran or uh whatever the third thing was and he goes yes you know so maybe he was stealing valor from the old people or the students but i took it as a as an insult to my man here so josh what are the watch your fucking back what are the best privileges that veteran privileges that you i always hear that you can uh active military gets on the plane first that seems pretty fucking cool so. I think Concierge Key gets on before the military. I swear to God, I don't think they're first. We can only get Concierge Key if you're a veteran. I don't think so. I don't know what that is. What is that? I don't know. Some like super skybound. Because I remember, I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive it's not military first. It's like, I swear to God, it's like Sky Club or something. It's some bullshit. I swear to God. If you have a Seahawks, you can. I could be wrong, but I'm I think you're wrong. I think you might be wrong. I think active duty military goes first. I think that is who goes first. They go right after the pre-boarding. Oh, okay. And then it's like the. Disabled people, people that need wheelchairs and assistance, and then Oh, here we go. What order does the military get let on in planes? Depends on the airline. Okay, there we go. Passengers needing extra assistance, active duty. Why would wheelchairs be before active military? Because you gotta, it takes a while. Yeah, it takes a while. Yeah, but fuck them. That's better than. What are we talking about? They're already sitting. They're relaxed. Very judgmental for the people that have got disabilities today. What else do you get? What else? Probably quite frankly, probably the best, one of the best benefits that you get from the military is the VA loan. So you get a loan to buy a house and it's no money down. So that's pretty awesome. How does that work? You just get a VA loan. So if you were going to buy a Veterans Administration. So if you're going to buy a $300,000 house instead of having to come up with whatever 10% or 20% to put down on that, you can just get a VA loan. It's all you can borrow all that money. Cool. Pay back whenever you want. It makes that first, well, not whenever you want. You'll have a mortgage, but. The loan bit, right? Yeah, the loan. It's just a normal mortgage. But yeah, that's a cool thing. Yeah, there's a bunch of good benefits. You know, the health benefits that you get for the rest of your life, which, you know, people have different experiences with the VA. There's somewhat socialized medicine, which, as you know, being from England is not always the best thing, but since it is America and we try and take care of our veterans, some people, depending, it's, a lot of it is like almost like a franchise. You know, you go to some franchise and it's pretty good to go and you go to another franchise and it's not. So there's some of that with the VA where, depending on where you are and what the VA is like in your city or in your town, it can be pretty good or it can be pretty bad. So there's, you know, obviously that's a great thing, the health benefits that you get from it. You get, you know, money for college if you want to go to college or you can pass it on to your kids if you want to do that. So yeah, there's a bunch of good, I mean, there's a bunch of really good benefits from being in the military. And obviously I love being in the military, so I'll say all kinds of good stuff about it. The UK, the biggest difference that I've seen from going UK to US from the military side is how much reverence there is for veterans. Like, it's almost, to be honest, kind of looked down on a little in the UK. Really? Yeah, I mean, maybe not if you went to Sandhurst and did the officer thing and the track, but it's just seen as you didn't choose to have a more refined, it's very I've, it feels very icky. Like, it doesn't feel like the same kind of pedestalization, like upholding the sanctity of protecting the country and doing the thing. That's kind of crazy considering the proud tradition of the British military. There is no getting on the plane first. I've, I mean, maybe you get a discount in Nando's for 10% or something, but. Topgolf, really? Topgolf, UK. I just, it's not got the same, I mean, and I was wearing some Black Rifle coffee t-shirt a couple years ago, and they did that tri-blend military green thing, and I think on all of their t-shirts they've got the flag on the arm, and it's got a reaper on the front of it, and some older guy on a plane that was sat toward the front, so I walked past, so I'm being sort of shunted along, I mean, with the cabin class going toward the back, and I can't slow down, and he goes, thank you for your service. And I'm like, no, it's not, I'm really, I'm English, and I didn't, I wasn't, I'm like, you know, like, I stole valor, like, passively. Or like, he threw valor. I don't know. He sort of threw valor at me. Which I think is different. I'm like, I can't put this down. I'm like, I'm trying to bat it away. Dude, if I serve food in the military and someone even hinted towards me being in combat, I'd be like, I don't want to talk about it. I know this about myself. I would have 100% do that. And I hate that about myself, but I would definitely do that. I wouldn't say anything, I would be like, uh, guys like these, you know what I'm saying? I'm just honest. I'm just being honest. If someone were to give me credit like that, I wouldn't be like, well, actually, I'd be like, you know, we all played our part. It's actually real. I'll talk to guys or guys will ask me, guys that were in the military like before September 11th, after Vietnam, before September 11th, they did whatever, 1994 to 1999, and they feel so bad and so guilty that they didn't serve in combat. And, you know, I always tell them, hey, you did what your country needed you to do at the time. You know, like, thank you for your service. And that's, but guys do feel guilty about that. What was happening then from a military perspective? Nothing really. Sweet football. Yeah. I mean, I was in the entire 90s, and we didn't do barely anything. We did like shipboardings over in the Persian Gulf. People that were smuggling whatever stuff in and out of Iraq. So we did shipboardings over there to like get control of those vessels. But that was pretty much like the real missions that we were doing at the time. And it was just not that big of a deal. So what happens when 2001 comes along? Like, what did that feel like to go from seeing this period of relative, I mean, as peaceful as the fucking military with guns can be, I suppose. Very peaceful. And then there is a very large, two very large pistols that get set off. Yeah, no, it was totally different. Yeah, total game changer for everybody. Yeah, overnight. What was waking up mid-September like? Well, we just knew, I mean, everybody knew that we were going to war. Now, if you would have asked me at the time, would we be, you're going to be at war for two decades? I wouldn't have thought that. We all thought that much like some of the other sort of operations that had taken place, whether it's Panama or Grenada, something like that, these things lasted a few days. Even the first Gulf War, over in 72 hours. I was, so I was, the Navy had sent me to college at the time, so I was in college, and I was all distraught because I thought I was going to miss this war. You know, I wanted to be a commander my whole life. You know, there's nothing going on in the 90s when I'm in. I know that we're all going to war, and it's probably going to be over very shortly, and I'm not going to be a part of it. So, I actually called the guy that was in charge of assigning us to whatever SEAL team you're going to go to, and I said, hey, sir, you know, please get me out of here. Send me back to a SEAL team. I'll finish college later. And he said, hey, this is going to last a long time. And I didn't believe him. He goes, this is going to last a really long time. And I was like, no, it's not. He goes, finish college, and I'll get you to a team. And sure enough, I mean, he got me to a team a little while later, and sure enough, he got me to a team that was deploying next. Luckily, thankfully, to Iraq. But even my first deployment to Iraq, I thought, oh, this is going to be over. You know, we'll be, I'm so lucky I get to be here, and do my job for six months right now, because it's probably going to be over. Then, probably, that was 2003, 2004. Now we get in a 2005, you start saying, oh, this is going to be on for a long time. And then, you know, it lasted for two decades. When did you realize that it was going to be more than just a couple of a couple of years i would say the middle of 2005 that's when the news you started really hearing the shift in the news that they were saying that this is an insurgency now you know as opposed to just a regime hey we're going to take out the regime and walk away which could we could have done but instead now we're going to stay there we're going to try and turn them into you know a democratic country it's like okay that might not be a great idea okay and now you start to have the insurgency which is al-qaeda leadership starts coming in from other countries and they're starting to run and direct and finance operations inside iraq and the local populace again you know there's so many complexities to this but you know the the the shias are the majority people there and it's been run by the sunnis for a long time so it doesn't take much to sort of spark a spark friction between those two elements because they already have bad blood between each other and of course they al-qaeda doesn't want america to have success over there so they do their best to spark that conflict between the sunnis and the shias it's a disaster yeah well 9-11 is maybe second only to the atomic bombs is like very small period of time that just totally changed the course of the future yeah yeah for sure for sure um and i would say even the atomic bombs were less because that that was you know the direction that we were going in we were going in that direction if we would have if we didn't have atomic bombs that time we landed on mainland japan and we would have we would have been a costly victory but we were going to win so i would say that yeah 9-11 was even more of a radical such a left turn yes such a left turn were you more sunni or shia so it depends on how you look at it the the the sunnis and the shias you know it's it's one of those scenarios where we worked alongside the sunnis but the shias made up the vast majority of the army of the of the iraqi army so you kind of had to you know you kind of had to do both you kind of had to get get along with both of them reasonable yeah yeah both guy yeah you kind of got to get along with both it's fucking crazy i mean it's 25th anniversary is in a month yeah what for 9-11 i don't know it's called an anniversary of a tragedy what would you call it maybe birthday memorial maybe memorial just call it 25 like 250 yeah yeah okay like america 25 yeah memorial i guess but yeah make 25 merch bro i mean i remember i remember before i moved out here it was the back end of uh 21 and uh i was watching these awesome documentaries netflix did just the best like the archive footage even though you've got such a constrained amount they keep on finding or being able to remaster or make stuff a little bit better and uh this is as i'm sort of dreaming of coming out to america and when you're anywhere that hasn't been involved in living in manhattan thinking about it it almost feels unreal it's watching somebody play a video game right kind of yeah and because it's such a insane city and the density is so high and then obviously the incident's just like so crazy and now that i've spent time lots of time in new york and i fucking love manhattan i think it's so cool thinking about that thing happening like that actually happened in a city that i've spent tons of time in that i've walked around freedom tower i've seen you know ground zero all that stuff that must have just been for the people that were there that must have been like one of the most across all of human history what other days have been more insane to have seen something like that happen yeah it's so crazy yeah i've seen a plane crash into a fucking building two yeah that's crazy yeah i mean obviously pearl harbor was a huge was a huge impact as well but again that we are leaning in that direction anyways you know it was like there's a lot of isolationists in america obviously during that time but you know there's also people that were like hey we got to do something and that's what i've been doing for a long time and i've been that that tipped the scales but yeah 9-11 was just you know we were all just carrying on with normal stuff it's like a and then boom it's shocking incident at pearl harbor and with the atomic bombs but not a shocking trajectory this is a total just yeah yeah like off-road left turn thing so yeah it's it's wild that being said i it's so fascinating to see now in retrospect what that did it changed travel it changed the entire sort of geopolitical landscape it yeah i wonder how different the world would be if that if that hadn't happened it would be like literally a different fucking universe different universe yeah i mean my life obviously everybody that i know would you know who knows what their lives would be like you're just still being in college maybe just keep do you guys know anyone that was there in manhattan during the only story i've heard is that uh you know lewis j gomez comedian he rollerbladed away rollerblades and he rollerbladed like away from new york city faster than he's ever rolled yeah he's just it's a true story apparently he like he wasn't like at ground zero but he was there when it got impacted and he just wheelies could have helped wheelies could have helped he had rollerblade he apparently rollerbladed yeah like super far it was like ah there's a rollerblade speed skating away from it so i mean i like that i did my favorite stories talk about ptsd you know it's like the big biggest day in history and you get caught on rollerblades it's like a bad dream nightmare where were you and i don't know just rollerblading around you know having e-pads on and elbow pads and a helmet wrist guards yeah oh you are safe you know michael jackson was supposed to have a meeting on the top of one of the twin towers on 9-11 but he slept in can we confirm this sounds like some bullshit let me give you an even better one let me give you an even fucking boy that was never there seth mcfarland guy that uh started family guy was supposed to get on a flight on the morning of 9-11 and his assistant misbooked the time on his schedule he arrived at the airport but missed the plane so the plane left that was the plane that hit the south tower really yeah so he bought his assistant uh rolls royce as a thank you for having gotten him late it might be the very only uh michael jackson was definitely in new york city the answer is possibly but not definitely established his brother said in his memoir and in interviews michael was scheduled to attend meetings at the world trade center that morning but overslept that looks good enough for me no yeah he was wasn't he hooked up to like propanol or something that day probably i think he was propanol he used to a doctor used to like hook him up to like a sleeping drug he was like iv pretty sure propanol's uh oh is that beta blockers well maybe that's propanol maybe propanol is what you use for general anesthesia he would do anesthesia every night you go to bed fuck my sister my sister lives in manhattan my sister was in manhattan on september 11th and we didn't hear for from her for a couple days i mean i wasn't like super worried about her she lived she didn't work in the trade centers or anything but there was a couple days where there was not good communications coming in and out of there because of all the all the traffic over the old school cell phone towers and all that did you hear about the insurance there's like the occurrence debacle with the world trade center so it's like the guy who owned them he was taking out a 99 year lease and it wasn't like their insurance thing it said like in the event of an occurrence like a disastrous occurrence you were to get you know 3.8 billion dollars he was like since it was two planes it's two occurrences i should get like double yeah pretty much like seven billion and he had to find some of the insurance companies actually had to pay double and then another one just was like nah we're not doing that but he went for double he's like it was technically two planes so it was one word in the contract that cost billions of dollars i mean what are the odds yeah i mean yeah then that's what you get insurance for yeah that's what i'm saying me i mean that's all of the stuff around covet bill ackman you know bill ackman the guy that made the short selling bet against herbalife so he's a trader but he trades against companies as opposed to for them and short sellers are usually pretty disliked inside of the market because you're actively going after market value you're betting against something so you're trying to take him down you're finding out to do with their executives or the financials aren't right or the formulation doesn't work or something as opposed to hey positive sum i'll just bet on the market going up and to the right and during covid he put a special kind of insurance on early so he sort of put this bet that the whole market was going to go to you know the the big short that was michael burry's thing and they made the document the movie about it bill ackman made more money than the big short in six weeks with this one bet that called the new big short the problem is the reason i think it's not being dramatized is there's not that much drama it's just one guy who's got a good bit of vision going yeah i think this is going to be short pressing a button pressing about yeah there's no narrative right there's no story unfolding and all the rest of it but yeah i mean in the uh financial crisis yeah like how much would 9 11 have played into that it's yeah crackers dude it's also wild with the financial crisis that's so few people of all these people that are sitting around in in new york in those big buildings trying to figure out what's going to happen and there's like six or seven guys that go oh here's a good bet you guys are all making a bad move the newspapers in the build up to the great depression i think in a couple of weeks so you can do a sentiment analysis on all of the headlines and you can do a sentiment analysis on all of the headlines and you can do a sentiment analysis on all of the headlines not a single person is predicting it it comes out of absolute nowhere everyone's it's going to be a boon the 1929 is going to be even better and yeah people just don't see it so there is a long and illustrious history of people not being able to predict what the is going to go on with finances yeah and by the way that's just true in life you know i always bring this up with like war and combat people oh this is going to happen that's going to happen like you don't know you know what's going to happen so don't put all your money on the table on one bet because it's not a good move unless maybe you're bill ackman yeah how do you, it seems like there's sort of two things that you're trying to do at once there. One is have as much control and prediction as possible in the micro, but it sounds like you're just totally hands-on. It's like this war can go on for as long as it does. We have no idea how the rest of the country and the geopolitics and the governments are going to interact with each other. Is that difficult? Well, to me, it's not that difficult. It's not that difficult to look at any situation and say, oh yeah, I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen. And this is a mistake that America has made many times, which is, oh, we're, we, this is what's going to happen. You know, we know what's going to happen. You don't know what's going to happen. No one knows what's going to happen. It's like getting in a fight, right? You go, you walk up, you're walking down the street, you see some guy that's whatever, skinny and weak looking and possibly drunk. And you're like, oh, I'm going to kick this guy's ass. What happens? He pulls out a knife, you know, you, you, you stumble. Like there's, there's, there's, there's things that can happen that you cannot predict even when you're bigger, stronger. And if you have that attitude, lack of humility. And you're going to make mistakes. So, you know, all these things that go on in the world, when people start, start explaining exactly how it's going to happen. I'm like, you do not know what's going to happen. You don't understand human will. Like, how do you know what someone else is willing to go through? You have no idea. Just like, you can't look at a guy that's going through SEAL training and say, oh, that guy's going to make, and that guy's not. Nope. You have no idea. So you look at a whole country and you're going to say, oh, this is how they're going to behave. You have no idea how they're going to behave. And you don't really understand their culture. And even if you did understand their culture from your college that you went to, in New York, you don't understand what it's like on the ground. So we make a lot of moves that we shouldn't be making just because we think we can predict things that we can't predict. Yeah. I saw a lot of that in the Iran stuff where you'd have a professor. He's like, I've been studying unilateral by proxy warfare for 30 years. My analysis. And you're like, dude, shut up. Shut up. You have no idea. You do not know. It is, it's got to be hard to be someone who's supposed to make predictions because you, there's so many ways that it can go wrong in literally only one way that it can go right. Yeah. Of all of the different ways that the future could unfold, I'm pinning my colors to the mast of this one. And every single other bet that could happen for reasons that I do or don't know about, I'm just fucked. Dude, I read a book called The Next Hundred Years. I don't know if I talked about this before, by George Friedman. And he wrote it, I think like, I would say the early 2000s, maybe like 2010 or whatever. But he, I remember, I only read half, but he was pretty, he predicted our Russia-Ukraine conflict back then, almost to like the T. It was pretty, I don't know. I have to look it up, but it was definitely written maybe like 10 years before the Russia-Ukraine thing happened. Did he say why he thought he was going to? He was just saying they have to, like it's an adventure. Like Russia needs that area to secure because like their borders are so weak because like from Ukraine, it's just, you're right there to the major cities. So like, they're going to have to do that eventually. How much is that, that Russia-Ukraine conflict? I'm aware you're not an active participant in the way that you used to be, but has that changed the sort of landscape of how people think about warfare tactically? Oh yeah, totally. I mean, a hundred percent. The drones is a totally new world. That's a totally new world. And it's very interesting just how fast they make changes and adjust to the technology and the tactics as well has been incredible to see. So it's full like capitalism warfare, meaning that the faster you can adapt and do things a different way in a new way that's successful and put more resources behind that, that's what they're doing. And they're doing it very rapidly. That's what's keeping the Ukrainians in the game is that they're just, they're like, I read an article about, there was an element, there's, there's these drone elements, right? Drone units of, of Ukrainians. And they basically say, Hey, here's how we're keeping score. Go do as much damage as you can. Whoever does the most damage out of these, I don't know what the numbers, but four or five, let's say four or five platoons of drone operators. Okay. Whoever gets the most action or destroys the most Russian, we're going to give you more money. And that's exactly what they did. They're gamified it. And so they're going, okay, well, what can we do? How can we make this work? How can we, and they're just figuring out a way to win and they're doing it very rapidly. This is what, this is what America's not good at, right? This is why Anduril companies like Anduril who are just going to make stuff and do it very rapidly are going to end up being much more valuable than the, than the old traditional, unless Raytheon and those other big ones make adjustments. They're not going to be able to keep up with a company like Anduril because on the battlefield is a really important thing the way things are moving so quickly capitalism warfare is so fucking cool yeah it does sound fucking sick yeah what uh what are the changes so it's mostly drones that's the oh yeah it's drones the drones are totally totally different yeah i mean you guys all watch the videos i'm sure you guys you know stay up at night watching videos of these things going on doing headstand but like one of the most interesting things if you're tracking this you know the the original drones were all controlled by radio right radio frequencies and those things are getting blocked and jammed and so all these new drones are controlled by by wire by by you know filament um fiber optics and they can go they have fiber optic cables that are 60 kilometers long what and so you got this it looks like a little tube on the and and there's a whole thing in there wrapped with the filament and they fly these things 60 kilometers and they're doing the whole battlefield over there is now draped with this this filament this this fiber optic film it's like like spider webs but you know this is what they're doing this is how fast you're not allowed to do like biological warfare or like even the shock things we're talking about i see things where people were like dude we were in a crowd and then they just hit us with this thing that you're not supposed to do but like was it not in brazil venezuela riot and the fucking energy weapon jared this is crazy yeah that was wild what is it called like is there some sort of like um term for it where they can like make noise like shoot noise but like what about all that shit like that when we got to be ahead of the curve yeah and the thing is there'll be a counter for that stuff just like they're you know they're going to figure out a way to counter these filament drones like their technology will yeah we'll find a way to defend itself and they'll make another adjustment to that and they'll just keep doing that so it'll be much more the the pace of technological advancement is what will what we'll see now in the in the wars from here on out you know in iraq when i was in iraq like the insurgents would figure out how to put a bomb in the road and then we'd figure out how to build armor and then they'd figure out how to build a bigger bomb and then when we started jamming you know they were detonating them with with walkie-talkies and so we figured out how to jam them and then they figured out how to put like pressure plates in the road so it's just a technological race but those those cycles would take months you know four months three months six months but these things are just happening much more rapidly yeah the bioweapon shit scares me man that's like the i watched the interview with uh rfk jr on cnn did you see that him and i forget the lady's name they were going at it it was actually pretty cool to watch but the at one point i could be wrong but i could have sworn she was like well what are you going to do the experts say there will be another pandemic in 10 years and she almost said it like it's happening what do you and i was just like well the fuck do you know why you say it was almost like it sounded like she was very certain being like oh it's hampson's calling a shot this is kind of like first of all why it's weird to be like oh there definitely will be another pandemic well they used to like hitler and stuff used to play with bugs and like like literally like you do break rules of war like you're not allowed to like put diseases and bugs and then release bugs into a field and go it'll get them like there's there's rules or they're supposed to be rules and that's a long time ago so i can i can't uh rule out that there must not be people trying to figure this stuff out i would say definitely yeah yeah do it annie jacobson i want the inside scoop come on again annie jacobson came on the show and she was talking about biological war the russians had developed this weapon that had you know you need to think about the incubation period the mortality the transmissibility all of this stuff and they put one of the side effects of this disease this infectious disease was euphoria so people would feel great for about 24 hours and go out dancing go out partying want to go and be social go for dinner spend time with friends they would feel great for about 24 hours and go out dancing go out they'd engineered euphoria into the pathogen oh so you go spread super spreader yeah it would encourage you because if you feel sick then you're in bed and maybe you don't go and they'd realize so if we make people feel great they'll spread this even faster that was that made still now sort of hairs on my arm like it makes me feel so have we got the the fucking energy weapon jared is this thing i also wouldn't even work on me if i got that i'd be like i'm staying in i'm not going anywhere i feel too good to go out right there whoa calls are mounting in serbia for an independent investigation into whether a sonic weapon was used by security forces on people protesting government corruption although it doesn't look like it a progressive serbian opposition party alleged that a sonic weapon look at this class not included on the government's list of legal totally silent this is the video you see here just from nothing like out of nowhere but you think they would go like or like they would make so they didn't they kind of just like sensed a panic that something's coming and you're right that panic like in world war one they had to get control over the guys that would run messages back and forth because if a guy was running from the front line back to tell his commander what was going on and like i go running away and you see me and you're like oh jocko's running you start running you guys we all just start running so the But it might have been a little bit of that in that scenario. Also, like, it's usually, like, if it's really just. like that like you lose um you know bodily fluid all the stuff like you'll see someone having a reaction to it is what i'm saying you piss yourself and be like what the hell i thought they used that so venezuela was the country disarming you know yeah something happened i heard i heard that about venezuela that they one day they're sitting there and the they just kind of came right in or they cut their power where they cut their power or something for the extraction yeah yeah no i'm speaking to the right guy things that you can't say how much do you get without saying it how much do you still get to find out about cool shit that goes on like do you still get to hear some cool shit i hear and how do you hear it they can't text it to you they can't text it to you how do you hear it so cool knowing about cool right whatsapp chat you're in the right whatsapp that's what i'm saying it's like where are they sharing this secret information jump on the cv radio no one's in here yeah yeah did that really happen to redo testosterone for the soldiers or i saw that in the headline of course can we give soldiers testosterone well yeah i think they that's what they're saying is they're opening it up and you know there is there is a guys have had problems with us and it's the same you know the the tbis the traumatic brain injuries one of the things that impacts is like your ability to i guess is it your pineal gland that makes testosterone cacao cacao we get some cacao so guys that guys that have issues with that they you know and plus they're stressed out all the time they don't get much sleep and all this stuff and it impacts their testosterone and they're stressed out all the time and they're saying they're gonna check them more and give them more testosterone how many guys that are in special forces do you think are doing it without any acid they're not on any pain meds not on any sleep meds and on any anti-anxiety stuff is it rare that someone's not supported in one form or another said dj shipley there and he might be an extreme case but he was explaining he's on 50 tablets a day he's on uppers to wake him up and downers to get him down and painkillers to stop his pain and yeah yeah i mean i think i think for someone like dj who gets on that cycle of you get hurt right you don't want to stop working so you got to take something to make the pain go away so then you start taking something to make the pain go away and the pain gets worse because you're not trained you're not uh giving any rest and so now you're doing more stuff to make the pain go away well eventually you go i need something to get me back to focus because my pain's going away and so is my you know motor skills so now you're going on something else so i think that's the cycle that guys can get caught on um but you know i there's a lot of people that don't do anything you know what i mean i mean i never even took ambien like there was a lot of guys that would take ambien to sleep i never took i never took anything i never took anything during time military career yeah and but i don't think i'm not i don't think that's as rare as you might think it is but i will say when guys get hurt dj's got the exact story like a guy gets hurt no one wants to come out of the game right no one wants to come out of the game so you do whatever you got to do to stay in the game and that means you're the cycle that i just talked about so that definitely happens because you're in an injury prone job i mean you get just the day-to-day life fast roping out of helicopters landing on this deck of the ship that's going up and down you know humping through the desert carrying buddy carrying people like it's a day-to-day grind on your body that is you know the bad back bad shoulders bad knees the whole nine yards and that's happening all the time so guys have to do what they want to do or what they have to do to stay in the game you imagine if comedy was a sober pursuit if no one was allowed to use any enhancements i know i think about that a lot actually is like how often we call something cheating it's like who cares yeah like if you found out that like some of the most brilliant minds of the past were using some sort of enhancement or psilocybe he wouldn't give a shit like he wrote a great song yeah that was whatever same with that like people go uh because i know a lot of like um military guys but then also policemen and uh fire department who they do steroids you know they do steroids you know they do steroids or they'll do like testosterone and i go good i want you to be a strong whatever you think is gonna work bro you're not hitting home runs for the giants you know like you like we need you the best you can be dude so yeah it's okay you use it but also we should all use it if you're gonna make better comedy because you smoke pot or you do mushrooms or whatever then whatever it takes i think about that with business you know business is an untested federation but no one in the futsy 100 500 is going actually i need to do a blood test on you because it seems like oh yeah that ceo wasn't using modafinil and adderall and testosterone and ambient to make sure so people care about sports because it's supposed to be a really fair organization but in the world of business which people care about maybe even more than they care about sports totally untested there's this famous clip of sam altman from quite a while ago and somebody's asking him when he was on his grind at y combinator how how many hours per day can you be productive he says well if you're taking armadafinil you know up to kind of 18 or 20 i suppose and you think oh yeah i actually if you're in some fast-paced tech organization there is no limit you just do whatever you do and no one's going to come in and go this is bad for your health or whatever you're maximizing shareholder value who gives a fuck right and comedy comedy's kind of the same if this makes you perform better no comic can go hey man your set was good last night but i'd love to see you do it without weed right yeah no well that's why i get so mad about the steroid conversation in baseball because i'm like let them do it i would do whatever it took to be the best at comedy like so if there was some way to cheat take a little injection and i now i'm the funniest guy that affects my money that affects my reputation i'll do it so i get it when baseball players are going hey man i want to play baseball i want to go fight for my country like you you take what you're going to do what you do to stay in the game it's the thing around military operators if there's pushback against them being given something that makes them more effective it's we are not supposed to be playing within the rules there's some rules right geneva convention outside of those and a couple of other things that your government puts on top of you it's like everything should be on the table surely surely if there's one thing that we can all agree national security and not dying and killing the other guy like that should be pretty uncontroversial yeah and it's easy to get caught up in like this short term because look if i'm not the best i possibly can be right now then i'm not gonna live right so i'm just gonna do whatever i can right now but i think the long-term negative health impacts that they have is like you don't want to take these guys who and just destroy them from a health perspective so when they're 35 they're just like train wrecks trading in their performance today but like killing them tomorrow and there is some to some element to the fact that hey if i'm like on steroids and now i'm on deployment and i go into the field for 24 days do i have no like testosterone am i just a disaster you know like yeah i do in in my pack i've got a small cool bag with a couple of ice packs so i can keep my testosterone make sure that yeah well that legless guy brought a cake to mount everest you can pack some syringes and get a little come on what are we talking about it all depends candles 34 get out of here but also it depends too like is it saying they can have it if they want or you're getting like 20 year olds to be like bro no i think they're just testing them i think it should be in full forced yeah like you have to have 1500 nanogram per deciliter of testosterone and if you're not doing your best you know we need you at your best you need to be working hard or just at that point it's like go mech suits go what mech suits we have like the robot oh i like those i've seen those a lot on movies that's the alternative that's how i know why not what do you think about um psychedelic therapy for ptsd and stuff dj's on here talking about ibogaine and all of this stuff i've seen a lot of people who've done it um i i know a lot of guys that have done it and it's been very helpful to them and i know a smaller number of guys that have done it and it hasn't been helpful so like it's adverse or just not helpful there's been some that have been adverse but that's a pretty small number compared to the amount and and and i i believe that the people have had adverse impact they didn't do it correctly the integration they didn't do the what yeah they didn't do the pre-work and the all that other stuff that you're supposed to do they just kind of like got after it you know what i mean so yeah i i think that's that can be problematic yeah so but yeah it seems like and they're doing legislation and everything now to try and make it legal and acceptable and paid for by the va and all that stuff so hopefully it's it's helpful i mean like i said i've known some guys that have i've known a bunch of guys that have done it it's been very helpful so if it helps guys out yeah by all means how many people do you think are veterans would be fixed by getting one more tour i wonder whether it's the missing being a part of it feeling like they've got something unrequited or whether it's like a compounding effect over time you've said that around in and around ramadi was like one of the best times of your life yeah i wonder whether you ever wished it fuck like if i could just go back for like a couple of weeks a hundred percent yeah i mean everybody would uh well basically almost everybody that i know if you told them operators if i sent out a text message to my guys and was like hey get your gear together i would get 97 of the guys like roger inbound like of course yeah is that not the coolest thing i love that we like evidently selected the right people for the job you know like a school teacher that's 20 years retired going hey do you want to come and teach a class no way i don't want to go back in there meanwhile someone that's not been in combat for a little while it's like yeah just give me the call we were uh when we got to ramadi and i sent i went out with some of my guys to we were we were in western ramadi and there was real problems in eastern ramadi and we took an element out to eastern ramadi for like a week and it was super gnarly the living conditions were absolutely terrible we're living in a bombed out building dirt floors like bugs all over the place very very hot totally uncomfortable and then there was real heavy fighting out there and you know a lot of casualties not with my guys on that particular time but in this week there's a lot of casualties army iraqi army like it's very tough region in ramadi we get done doing some missions out there we come back and i'm going to send out some guys out there permanently and i'm talking to the platoon commander guy named seth stone i said hey you know you're going to take some guys out there and he goes well you know i i don't want to pick someone because i don't want to take guys out there if they don't want to go and i said okay fair enough so i walked into our big platoon space and i wrote on the board you know hey going to camp corregidor and i brought the guys and i'm like hey we're i'm going to send six guys out there and i'm like hey we're going to send six guys out there and i'm like hey we're going to send six guys out there and i'm like hey we're going to send six guys out there and going to send six guys out there and i'm like hey we're going to send six guys out there permanently you guys know the deal that we're out there if you weren't out there then here's the deal it's terrible living conditions the chances of getting wounded or killed is decently high there's going to be a lot of operations and i don't know when you're coming back if you guys want if you want to go on that put your name on the board and i walked out and i came back 20 minutes later and every single guy's name was on nice yeah dang i love that so these are americans you know what i mean that's so sick i love it it's the sickest thing fucking awesome it's so cool i mean while we talk on microphones you had one guy who just didn't put his name up there well i mean everyone else was i figured i would have but everyone uh some little bitch no no no not not that crew right yeah yeah good john smith one guy wrote someone else's name matt yeah that is really nice when you hear that you're like damn that's awesome yeah just chose the right guys for the job yeah you know it's uh it's fucking wild boys i appreciate you all you're all awesome thanks for having me anything coming up any stuff to push any things just shows matt mccuster.com um a bunch of stand-ups jeffdow.com a little special coming out soon but other than that when's the movie uh movie november 25th yep november 25th global release yeah uh i wrote a sky dance and it's coming out on apple it's starring chris pratt nice wait so can you explain it what do you mean the kids books are a movie the kids books so i wrote a bunch of kids books and they're a series of kids books and they turned basically the first two books kind of combined together to make the first movie way of the warrior kid yeah it comes out november 25th trailer have you seen the trailer that's right that's right the secret yeah yeah i think it looks so fucking cool it's so good for families for adults for forever they call it a four quadrant movie which means everybody in the family from the kids to the grandparents will all and i've seen it you know it's it's so good i'm so so super stoked on it appreciate you all boys all right thank you thanks for that bye my beauties dude hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save