Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More | Ep 186

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But the F in fight dragged on so long, you've got to, and I was so relieved that the word came out with an F-I instead of an F-whatever, and it was, you've got to fight for your right to party. I said, you've got to, we're out of here. James Brown, back to you. And you've made the whole thing sing. So, show open for the Nansen Daily Show, which is, this is an epic one-two combo. You want to talk about the most, like, highly regarded, like, has done it by the book, is the classiest, like, nicest, straight and narrow. And then the complete opposite. You've been singing all the episode. This is hilarious. Get a new height. We get the full breath. We're going to get it all. And that's just who we are as people, Jason. Everything we've talked to Jim about, man, fucking felt it in my heart, man. That guy could, he speaks to the heart. We share a lot of the similar, like, family and desire for the love of what we do. And then, you know, I fucking get it, John. I want to be at a bar that's in a fucking fitness center, you know, I want to, I want there to be a treadmill while I'm dancing. I'm drinking a Guinness, you know, I want there to, you know, I want my cake and eat it too. I want to fucking smoke a cig and fucking hit a ball as far as I can. I got nothing to add. I'm right there with you. I think that's one of the, that's one of the cool things about golf just in general. I think that is like, you know, you got your, your, your, your, your character like John Daly, who I think in a lot of ways is very, just like unhinged and everybody loves him for being wild. Exactly. Everybody loves him for being who he is. And you got Jim Nance about his dialed in of a storyteller and, you know, touching on all these different walks of life and it's pretty wild that the sport has that breath. You got your muni lot with your hair down and your no rules. And then you can be in the grounds of Augusta where you got to have a jacket on the moment you step foot. And there's a lot of rules and decorum in place to protect something that's pretty sacred. So yeah, it's a, it's a pretty awesome game for that. All right. All right. Let's get into this thing, dude. Welcome back to new heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, this is a wondery show brought to you by AT&T. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jaycee Kelsey. My big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, man, made it back to the land. Saw the guards get a fucking dub against the cubs, baby. Let's go. There you go. Trav. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media. This is the show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, let's, let's tell the people how amazing this show is going to be today. Oh yeah, baby. We got another great episode for you. 92% as we're going to get out of the house, we're also going to answer some of your no dumb questions and it's masters week. So we got two incredible guests, Jim Nance and John Daly are here, quite the combo. All right. Let's get right into this. A little bit of that new news. All right. A new news is brought to you by American express. Travis is going to the moon. I am. Yeah. NASA replied. NASA replied to one of your tweets. I don't know if you saw this, please, uh, put this up on the screen. Brandon. Um, I was about to say, I haven't tweeted 2010 so it's been a while. It's been a while. Well, this is a doozy from, uh, 2010. The moon looks crazy tonight. I'm a chill out here for a little and just visualize my success. Vibe to the scenery. Yeah. I still do that often. And NASA said it's been a long time. I hear you. I hear you. NASA. I hear what you're doing. I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. I want to go to the moon. Well, I got bad news for you. Travis, you're too big. That's fucking. Do you know that per cat? I can't see the screen on this screen, the username, but we'll just say per cat, please let Travis know he's too big for space. Yes. There are strict height limits for astronauts to ensure they fit into the spacecraft suits and workstations. NASA generally requires candidates to stand between five foot two and six foot three. So you are too tall. Not too tall. Jones, too tall. Trey. Yeah. Too tall. Yeah. This is, uh, this is some, some good BS right here. No way. I believe that. But also, you know, this is one of the egg Kelsey's favorite slogans, man. You know, life isn't fair, so don't ever think you don't get to do what you want to do when you have jeans such as mama Kelsey's blay like jeans that make you six, five or six, four and seven eights. Yeah. Yeah. It's mostly from mom's side for sure. Yeah. You know, it's still a dream. Hopefully there's weight restrictions so I can just not even have to ever think about it. What do you think of this Artemis two going to go into the moon? Jason? I love it. I'm a, I'm a big fan of us going places with rockets. Hey, I love it. I don't know who I was listening to if it was Neil deGrasse Tyson or somebody who, uh, you know, there's a lot of people that I think are upset with the money expenditure on going to space and doing these things that they don't really see the upside in the investment. And I think that, uh, somebody way smarter in this space than me was talking about just the amount of inventions and innovations that have taken place with the human desire. To go places they've never been to, uh, that NASA has gone through to make safe, uh, uh, space travel safer, more effective, more efficient. Um, I think it's, uh, I don't know that it's a net loss the way people think that it is. And I, I like discovery, right? It would have been crazy to be alive when Christopher Columbus gave word of the new world over there in the west. Allegedly. I don't know what he's going with. The, the, what is it? Uh, Lewis Clark. What's the other fucking Clark Lewis and Clark. That's what it is. Yeah. Lewis and Clark. Going west. Yeah. That's not, I don't think that's the same thing. Where are you going? I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm, I'm pro discovering new stuff. I think it's cool. So you don't, you don't think we've been to the moon? Well, I think we haven't been to the moon. I think we haven't been to the moon. I don't know. I think it's cool. Well, I think we haven't been in a while and we, we've, we've kind of pushed the pause button on going and doing things in space, uh, to this degree. So I think going to the moon, I'd love to see us go to Mars. Still want to see that happen in my lifetime. Um, I think that it's, it's awesome that we're, we're back in the moon's orbit. There you go. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. It went up in the air, right? That it hasn't shown anything come down yet. It's, it's, it's orbiting as we speak. Nice. It's up there. It's epic. Can't wait to see figs. Jason, I think we all know this. house but um you guys got a new dog we did get a new dog you guys are we got a german shepherd nice we were talking about it last week weren't we did that go on there did it we weren't recording when we talked about it the news hadn't broken it kylie broke the news on her show oh yeah of course scooped us she scooped us all right well then she can have it yeah no we got a new dog do you want to see it i mean if it's a puppy i would love to see it who doesn't love puppies i'll go get it i'll go get it all right oh look at that pup that's right this is frida frida or as everyone is calling freddie everyone is calling her freddie around the house where did frida come from she's a rescue from uh what is it the spca i always get that mixed up but there's a litter that was a pcs pca pcs pcs pspca pspc such a dick anyways yeah no we went down we got uh this beautiful dog here i am calling her gunda gunda because i like that name better gunda gunda sit gunda why are you speaking to another accent she's german right gunda you're telling uncle travis not gunda it's not gunda it's freddie freddie gunda nice i like freddie freddie's a girl frida is a girl freddie is uh a nickname yes nice all right that does it for a little bit of that new news brought to you by american express let's get to a little bit of that out of the house which is brought to you by intuit turbo tax it is officially tax season knocking live you haven't gotten them in yet you might want to get them in or get it done with turbo tax as you're watching this jason and i are actually out of the house down the road we're going to be out of the house down the road we're going to be out of the house in augusta georgia to the one and only masters tournament down there at augusta national and um yeah i'm excited about it i think it's going to be a pretty uh pretty fun experience the last time i went i think i mentioned this uh earlier the last time i went i went right after covid and there were like limited amount of people no grandstands at all at if any uh maybe a few were up um and it was a very mild experience but i can't wait to see what's going to happen in augusta georgia i got to see the masters for you know what it was i got to see the course in augusta national and how it's like a botanical garden in a sense with all the azaleas and the flower pots and the trees and just the natural beauty that the place has that was an amazing experience but i'm pumped to see this thing at full go like everybody is jacked up for this masters everybody's you know excited to see uh if rory can you know stay on top like he did last year you know i think there's a lot of excitement going on and i'm excited to see what's going to happen in augusta georgia and i'm excited going into this one and i'm i'm pumped to just hang with uh my friends that uh that the group of guys that we're going into it with as well as enjoy some at least one day with jason i think to everybody that hasn't been to the masters it's just a it's a event second to none the way it's done there's nothing else like it like there's obviously great history in it uh dating back to what 1934 um you know it's special not just because of the how incredible the course is uh but how it's run by augusta national all the people in the hospitality a bunch of teachers take on second jobs because they're on spring break so a lot of the workers there are actually school teachers in the surrounding community there's obviously everything that happens at the course but then outside of that there's so many parties and events and concerts and homes that are throwing things all week long down there it's really turned into such a week of just i mean festivities that it's it's a super of golf you know it's it's the biggest tournament it's the biggest showing it's the it's the top players in the world that know this is the one that considers you could like determines the greatness and the greatest that i've ever played this game and there's something really beautiful with the no phones thing and like there's so many things that everybody goes i mean i went to sunrise mass this past week and you know every we're all taking pictures of the sunrise and um it's it's it's beautiful but the fact that you're not allowed to have your phone in there makes everybody be present in a way that's very uh one just breathtaking because you have to take in the scenery in the moments and the shots but also that you're all doing it together there's like a just this very communal aspect of the love of golf that has every walk of life down there you know ceos or uh guys that won their tickets in a raffle and everybody's in the same position and you know whoever puts their chair down first that's going to be their spot you know that's what the tradition is and it just it's it's a really awesome event uh and something that i don't think really replicates that i've seen so i'm really excited to do that i'm excited again i keep mentioning these pimento cheese sandwiches i'm definitely getting another one of them um start stacking cups i mean i'm going to be broadcasting the part three as everybody knows so i'm excited to see that one and i'm going to do that for the first time and to get a chance to chop it up with some of the best players in the world i'll say this i've had the pleasure of fucking meeting a lot of these guys on the pga tour man and a lot of the guys on the live tour it's hard to say i'm rooting for just one guy or i think this guy will win it because i don't want to shortchange anybody else that i've had that i have like a relationship a good relationship with but i am i'm pretty fucking pumped to see this year's masters just because of you know where golf is right now and how everybody the the love and the infatuation that everybody has with it i mean this year alone you've seen guys like lebron come out and just be just the love of the game has just taken him and thrown him into the world of golf and um i think all around right now like the excitement of golf is at a is at an all time high and um i think that's going to create a crazy and fun atmosphere for these pga guys or the top in the world to really go out there and hit some fucking amazing shots man and i'm fucking pumped for it let's go baby and that does it for out of the house brought to you by into eternal tax thank you to our presenting sponsor at&t the masters is full of moments you can't miss that clutch putt on 16 the drama at amen corner and the champion slipping on the green jacket and with at&t as a champion partner of the masters you're connected to every single one what's your favorite master's memory either watching on tv or uh one that you've seen in person jason um my favorite is bubba watson shot out of the pine hooking that thing back onto the green i think that shot for remember watching that on tv live and just being like blown away nice from wherever you're watching 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all-new macbook neo learn more at apple.com slash mac 92 percenters um we have two incredible conversations with golf legends insane all right these masters conversations are brought to you by at&t let's see what jim nance has to say the voice of the masters for what he's coming up on his 41st tournament hello friends our guest today is a six foot three broadcaster university houston he's been the voice of the masters for 40 years you know him from his time in the booth for the ncaa tournament and the nfl on cbs He's a two-time sports Emmy winner for most outstanding sports personality. I can't do it this quiet. You can't do that. He's a member of the National Sports Media Association Hall of Fame, the only person to commentate on all four golf majors, and he is the first broadcaster in history to serve as the lead play-by-play announcer for the Super Bowl, the NCAA Men's Final Four, and the Masters, all in the same calendar year. Come on! Now, you two percenters, please welcome Jim Nance! Let's go. Jim, welcome to the show, baby. Well, hey, hello, friends. What an introduction. My gosh. Man, my head's so big right now, I'm not going to be able to fit in the Butler cabin this week. But I am so thrilled to be on with the Kelsey brothers. Obviously, I know you both for years. I've loved being able to meet with you guys in a variety of places. I'm really proud of your story, your whole Cleveland Heights. Come on, baby. It's a Canton journey with a lot of stops in between. You're awesome. And thanks for having me on, man. This is my way to start the Masters week right here. Let's go, man! And start a whole new tradition unlike any other. Let's do it. We're so pumped up, man. Jim, thank you for even considering coming on here. We've always been huge, huge fans of your big guy. And this is really cool, man. But you've got to tell me, what's the secret to a good hello, friends? Because it's so iconic. And there's nobody that does it anywhere close to you. Well. Well, let me just say this. I never had any intention of this becoming a thing. But years ago, and I'm not trying to make this too somber. I celebrate my father all the time. He's been gone a long time. But he battled Alzheimer's. And he was at late stages fighting Alzheimer's a quarter century ago. And that became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air. So I'm not going to make it a downer. That just gave me chills. I know how close you guys are to your mom and dad. And I'm. That became a thing at a golf event, a PGA championship. And I told him, I'm going to come on the air. I'm going to say, hello, friends. Jim Nance here, along with time. It was Lanny Watkins. Great guy. And I said, when I say that, I'm thinking of you as kind of channeling you. That's so awesome. Are you kidding me? Said it after we came on air. And after the show, someone said, I heard you say hello, friends. What's that all about? And I told the back story. And they said, you ought to say hello. And I said, you ought to say that every show. So I started saying it. It took about three years before people actually said, you know what? You're saying that all the time. You know, the one little footnote to this. I do a lot of people that were creating merch, particularly Masters Week that had hello, friends. And it looked like people thought I was I was doing it. I was creating it. I wasn't. And so my manager said, you ought to trademark it. So we ought to get. Copyright on that. So we went through a six month search and we found it. We found somebody possessed it. A negotiation took place and the lawyer called me and I've been writing checks to the lawyer. Here's he's been working on this thing. And he said, I've got some good news and bad news. We found it. We've we found the people to own it. They're willing to deal with us. And I negotiated with him. And I said, look, I told you, I'll pay a lot of money for this. Yeah, it's personal. And he said, I'll pay a lot of money for this. And he said, it's going to cost you six hundred and sixty four. And I said, six hundred and sixty four thousand. And he said, no, six hundred and sixty four dollars. I said, I paid you twenty five thousand dollars to write a check for six hundred and sixty four dollars. And I can't give the name away, but I can give you some hints. I bought it from a television superstar who owned it. This is. Yeah. Wrote the check. Did the whole thing. And now I own it. So when anybody says hello, friends, like you did, Jason, to the top. Yeah. I'll give you the address. You got to send me a check for twenty. You got it. You got it. I'll bring it down to the historic Butler cabin and pay it off. That's it. Are you constantly thinking about like tags and slow? Like you've had so many times throughout your career where you're in the middle of a game and it feels like it just comes to you. Do you preplay? Do you preplan a lot of these things before the games or is a lot of it just coming natural? Let me ask you this on the eve of games, did you ever kind of run through the game in your mind and actually see the play so vividly in your head? You felt like you were actually playing it, but you were asleep and you could actually see yourself moving and how you were going to react and how you were going to perform on that play. I do the same thing before every show. It is not scripting, but I think of scenarios. I think of what happens if Tiger wins. What's that going to feel like? What are the stories I'm going to want to get into? But those taglines, particularly at Augusta, and like I said, I've been doing it for 40 years. Most of them are on the moment organic. This is what I feel. I don't have notes in front of me. A couple of times I will have some background stories that I have written down. I want to make sure I get to it. But unlike a football game where I'm working off of spotting boards in golf, I like to say I'm calling it from my heart. And what I see is what I feel. And I'm going to let my heart speak. So if Rory knocks in a putt to complete the career Grand Slam, as we witnessed a year ago, it struck me at the time to say the long journey is over. McElroy has his masterpiece. I had not written that down. I had not gone to bed thinking exactly what I was going to say. But I kind of was noodling on the idea of masterpiece. But the words just kind of came out. Most of the time. That's the way it is. And it's like my last Super Bowl that I called. I've had the pleasure of calling seven of them was the game in Las Vegas. I know it very fondly. When McCall Hardman caught the winning touchdown in overtime, I said, given it was in Las Vegas, jackpot Kansas City. And again, I didn't have that one pre-planned. And this is what happened after that. I went up on the victory platform and someone started singing Viva Las Vegas. I left that. It didn't run out a little too long. I apologize about that. It was perfect. We've had some great moments on those platforms. Thank you enough for giving me those platforms, man. Those are the ones I remember the most. One time, whatever, there was a show premiering on CBS after an AFC championship game. So, you know, you don't realize you realize that now, but you got someone not running commentary, but a producer telling you where you need to go next. So I got up there. I got up there with the Lamar Hunt trophy and I've got I got Clark Hunt and I've got Andy over here and I got Patrick and you're on the outside of Patrick and they're telling me we got to get through this. Make it really fast. No follow up questions. Just one question to the coach and one question to Pat. We're out of here and we've got to get up there. They got to get to this programming while the audience is sizable. Yeah. Kind of give them a little nod. They know that's for them. And Patrick answers a question. And I'm looking at you as he's. He's answering it, letting you know I'm coming to you next. And they're saying in my ear, do not do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. And this was the first time. Oh, yeah. You went on the you've got to fight for your right to party. But the F in fight dragged on so long. I'll tell you what. It's been seven years coming, baby. I learned one thing since I've been here. You got to fight for your right to party. And I thought, not only have I been guilty of insubordination, I've just walked into an F-bomb on the CBS television network, maybe. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an F-I instead of an F. And it was, you've got to fight for your right to party. And I said, you've got to. We're out of here. And you made the whole thing sing. That's awesome. I remember the other one was the Cincinnati mayor. Oh, yeah. I brought you in and you said, hey, you big jabroni. Shut your mouth, you big jabroni. The Cincinnati mayor. Know your role and shut your mouth, baby. Shout out to the. The Rock, yeah. I have to admit, Jason, I wasn't sure what a jabroni was at the time. This isn't good. You had to be a late 90s, early 2000s wrestling fan to know that one. It was perfect. I've been known through my friend's parents as the worst influence on my friends because of insubordination. So thank you for trusting me on the stage with a mic. You dragged me into that, too. The idea of friends and subordination. That's good. I'm happy to have that title. Do you ever find yourself? Because we've all when we were growing up or playing certain sports, you almost comment the game to yourself, right? Like, I remember playing basketball in the backyard. I'm like, all right, there's 10 seconds left. Five, four. And he's hit it. He's hit the game. When you're playing golf, are you ever calling the game to yourself? Is that where you're? Are you that into it? This is hilarious. Not now. Not now, but I will call. I will call shots of the people I'm playing with. Oh, yeah. We see. For whatever reason, I get such a charge out of it. out of it the other day i was playing um i was down here at troubadour in tennessee and was there with luke ryan and uh golden tate and they said hey would you mind yeah so i did it it ended up on on instagram oh yeah i i just uh which i'm fine with i think every kid had those voices in their head jace i think i think we all put ourselves in that arena where the world was watching us and we're trying to figure out what that would feel like yeah and i think like take the master's field this week every single one of those players scotty shuffler rory all of them bryson i guarantee you that as young kids they stood over four footers on a practice putting green over and over again obsessing with what that moment would be like and they had someone doing the commentary in their head saying this is to win the master's tournament um i know i did oh yeah but no more now i sometimes will do it because my game has fallen off a cliff and to try to like bring a little laughter and lower expectations i will when just playing with some buddies or people for the first time i'll walk up to the to the to the shot and i'll say now nance looking down that right side of the fairway trevor it looks like he's gonna i'm just trying to take the pressure off a shot that's destined to rope hook out of bounds or vomit right out of bounds and now i think those voices are real for anybody that's competed at a high level you called your first masters at 26 years old i cannot fathom that i was just trying to be professional and you were like the peak of like a professional at 26 year old how did that feel well truth is i was scared out of my mind and now all these years later i'm 66 and this will be number 41 which will be the new record came into the week with 40 with the great bern lundquist we both have done 40 this will be my 41st uh not that anybody cares about those records but uh when they entrusted me i truly thought cbs had lost its mind what are you don't you guys realize i was living in a dormitory just a few years ago on the university of houston campus what am i doing here this is not but i of course i acted like i there's no big deal no big deal you may not know this but freddie couples and i i shared a dorm room at houston and so you know he he was great help to me on the mental side of this because he was already on the tour he just kept telling me when i first started at cbs just keep what i do is i just keep saying like a broken record it's no big deal it's no big deal it's no big deal and i got that from fred i got that actually when i went to new york to audition for the job and fred happened to be at my house at the time how cool is this you know freddie's getting back into the field of course as a past champion and i i trust you guys are just barely old enough to appreciate the greatness of fred and how cool he was on a golf course smoothest swing in the world yeah i can watch him warm up all day oh coolest guy of all time and when we arrived on the houston campus as uh two of the seven freshmen for dave williams and his legendary golf program which won 13 national championships i had nothing to do with that by the way but i was a part of it i lettered um but he had the freshmen come in and introduce one another um just breaking the ice and he said guys i want you to stand up boys stand up and just give me basically name rank and serial number and what your goal is in your life and i was you know not overconfident but i just said i'm jim nance my goal in life is to one day work for cbs i want to broadcast a master's tournament what that was always my goal and i love byloy paramedically too driven by that obsessed with that idea because i love the way they broadcast the nfl some are all madden some are all in brookshire that was my network this is but i love the way they presented the masters and the nfl so anyway that was my declaration the fourth guy down stood bashfully and said i'm fred couples i'm from seattle washington and one day i'm going to be a part of the nfl and i'm going to be a part of the nfl and i'm going to be a part of the nfl and i'm going to be a part of the nfl and i'm going to be a part of the nfl and i want to win the masters and do you know we ended up in the same dorm suite which was a genius i we have blaine mccallister in our in our dorm room with with blame one of my all-time closest friends he won five tour events and john horn who played on the tour a couple years so the four of us were roommates all through school and um you know we got to sit there and talk about a that had the same landing spot butler cabin fred wanted to win it i wanted to be in that cabin to present it and as weird as this sounds i don't know this is the kind of hijinks you guys were up to at uh high school but we did practice the green jacket ceremony when we were kids in college of course that's so fucking cool man hell yeah and lo and behold in 1992 freddie won the masters and i was there to do the interview and present the green jacket so i'm getting chills man i had no idea dude strong testament to how dreams can come true you got to dream big for them to come true speak it into existence we'll be rooting for him over there i'll give him some extra mojo off the tee baby i'll be right there rooting him on man on friday hell yeah of all the big events you call every you talk about the masters what are the other what are the what are the biggest events you've been a part of a cbs that you just like think back in your career you know i've been part of the cbs golf teams like like i said for over 40 years now and i called 32 national championship games in college basketball oh yeah so um watching the action from indianapolis this week i mean i just love it i don't miss it i don't say that as any sour grapes i needed i needed time with my kids um and i gave it up in 2023 my own choosing because basically the hamster wheel and i called it the golden hamster wheel never ended i was on 48 weeks a year you know golf uh the the championship game would be played on monday night and i was on a flight that night into a augusta and switching gears after calling 15 games in the month of march i just love being a part of the tournament be able to see everything from the fab five through coach case all the coach case five championships uh ucons program coming from nowhere to now being a dominant power and on and on roy williams north carolina his time at kansas worked with billy packer for 18 years and then of course after he grant hill with the joy man it was a absolute joy ride then the nfl you know working now with romo we're going in our 10th year this year love tony man we have so much fun together he's one of a kind you know and that's what makes him special is that you don't want everybody to be the same just flat x's and o's guy he's a big kid who expresses himself as such on the air and i find that very appealing and very uh authentic he makes it fun man worked with phil sims for a long time before that i've uh i hosted two super bowls and i've called seven um so those are the main parts we've had olympic games we've had all these different sports i called the u.s open tennis for years um but my primaries were always golf the nfl and college basketball when i started basketball i got asked at a news conference in new york i was assuming the role from brent musburger i was asked um do you think you'll ever be able to approach the record for longevity for play by play and i said what's the number and they said six and now these are some names from your past even before you but kurt gowdy dick enberg and brent had all called six a piece and i thought if i could ever get to six that would be amazing i got to 32 i want to put that record away okay so no uh no it was a gift i'm glad the cbs wanted me to do it for that many years i'm glad i could say when i needed to step down from it and get a few more weeks at home uh but all of it's been that that childhood dream you know what that's about it's burns it still burns deep in the heart it never goes away and well we appreciate you for for jumping on that golden hamster wheel and taking us for a ride with you man more than anything if i had to write the end of the script i love the nfl and you know i love being able to have the chance to do it for a few more years but someday as you know you approach 70 uh you're gonna have to back off a little bit more and um i would like to do 51 masters tournaments holy cow that sounds like a crazy number it used to be 50 i wanted to be able to say i did 50 masters because again that's that little boy still speaking inside of my head and uh i mentioned that at a um at an awards event out in california and this broadcaster of yesteryear one of the greats of all time jack whittaker had introduced me and he said i heard you say you want to do 50 masters i said yeah he said you need to do 51 i said why is that he says if you do the math your 51st masters 2036 would be the 100th playing in the masters he said you need to be there for that and he yeah he said something very nice he said and i think augustine needs you to be there for that to usher out the first century and bring in the next so that's kind of been everything that um you know i've thought about for a long time so i didn't come on your show to announce my retirement on april 14th 2036 we're kind of working that way way i love it i love it you get the opportunity to man we'll be at the 51st uh airing of the masses for you brother we'd be honored you got to fight for your right to party did you have any personal mount rushmore of masters moments you got any like top tier the ones that stand out to you the most yeah i do and i'm gonna put the freddie win in 92 in a special box over here that was really personal okay because that that's again that's like hollywood make-believe fantasy stuff that two kids could practice that scene of the green jacket presentation and actually have to do it for real that was choking my guts out and so was he we barely could get the words out that was a watershed moment for me i really truly feared if i could emotionally hold up for that but we both did and i was able to get us off the air clean and um you yeah that one's in its own category but i've got three one would be jack nichols 1986 my first now you guys weren't around to see it oh i know i know it oh i know it was the him the shark and uh seve seve tom kite uh tom watson bernhard longer i mean it was a load of cory pavin they were all jockeying greg norman like i said they're all in the mix and that's when you mentioned it earlier i was just a young kid chill bumps up and down my arms my teeth were chattering jack made a pivotal birdie on my hole the 16th and i uttered the words the bear has come out of hibernation i truly thought i'm incapable of coming up with that narrative that clip um epic that caption and i began to have doubt in my head as the broadcast continued because we still had seve to come through norman jack had gone out way ahead of them and i began to think i just plagiarized a remark someone else had said earlier in the show we had announcers from 10 in so i thought well maybe someone down there at amon corner said no one had as it turns out ohio ball player man shout out to jack to debut with jack was was crazy and then i will go tiger 97 not that it was competitive now i know you boys remember that one i called that one i was at the 18th by by then and i called it a win for the ages that was one of my lines jason you asked me about this earlier that line i had pre-planned okay he had a six shot lead going into sunday and he was running away from the field and i knew that clip was going to have the narrative forever with it forever yeah forever you know this is a piece this is there's a permanence to it it's uh it's going to be a couple of weeks from now and i'm going to be able to do it and i'm going to be able to do it a couple hundred years from now when they come on the air with the masters and they do the montage that clip of tiger winning in 97 will be on there 100 dragged into history with it is the little narrative there it is a win for the ages so i thought about that a lot the night before i knew it had to be short i knew it had to like match up with the moment in a historical sense and i'm really happy that was the line that that we landed on but uh after that on that short list uh travis would be tiger again in 2019 full circle when he was given up for not being competitive again and it came full circle and now he's hugging his kids behind the 18th green basically on the same spot where his dad had embraced him 22 years earlier so beautiful man now that's what we are we're storytellers we're not we're not spewing stats we're trying to tell people what's inside we're not spewing stats we're not spewing stats we're not spewing of their hearts and what this moment contextually means and um i happen to be at both of those i call that one the return to glory because uh his kids had never seen him be the champion golfer that he that he was like we knew him and i saw them behind the 18th green i was told earlier today they were not on property but they were and i just thought what a gift to have them see their father you know have this encore performance and i just kept thinking of the word glory as this was all playing out and when he knocked in the last putt i just said not with a lot of exclamation almost soulful because he had been through the long road back and i just said return to glory it felt like it at that moment um yeah but i was on that short list and the last one i would say would be uh rory last year the career grand slam the uh the ups and downs the wild odyssey ride he put us on on sunday when he won it lost it double bogey the first hole nearly shanked at 13 like what's going on here and then to rally and win it in the playoff over rosie uh storybook stuff those are four iconic absolutely iconic i i think the 86 one came across my like instagram feed the other day and there was a moment where uh the shark norman is just like taking the deepest breath on 18 before his his approach shot and you could tell man that that there's nothing like that tournament you're incredible what you do jim and that's why you get asked to do all these things and that's why people remember you and have such affection for you because you're remarkable you're the the best play-by-play person in this generation i was thinking about this at uh the easter service this week you know you do at times no matter who you are particularly when you're a performer and you guys are performers you have all kinds of things that can work against you you know that you have you have doubters like we all have enough doubt to deal with on our own but you have people that are second guessers who are critics who don't understand how hard it is to perform on a moment's notice you're trying your best and sometimes we fail sometimes the words come out upside down or you don't capture something quite crystal clear as you should but everybody's got an opinion and you know you learn how to deal with that in the world and you know you're not noise yeah yeah i know we all make it because it's personal so we feel like there are a lot of people at times against us and it's not reality no it's just sometimes these louder voices that are maybe on social media or just plainly in the media you know we deal with media too we got all kinds of television critics out there whether they're social uh or whether they're in electronic or print whatever but yeah you learn to deal with it and i like you know as a little kid i never thought about i'm gonna have to like have people that are telling me i'm not any good or somebody's better and i never thought about that i was thinking about playing i didn't realize there'd be that noise and there is a learning curve for that and you know i'm listen i've had to deal with it for 40 years and i think i've handled it well and just i've tried my best to be the person that i am and not let that sully what otherwise has been a dream life and you guys i hope realize that same thing whatever noise you hear it's insignificant oh yeah it's all it all goes away and you know when when when life goes on and you guys get to be my age and older and you're still going to be doing whatever you you're doing i'm sure at a very high level that bust is going to be sitting there in canton long past you both as you know being on the planet it that bust is going to be there the criticism or the noise that's all that's all immaterial it's history you're gonna you you built a life in other realms too your families look what you've done to make your family proud i get the biggest rise out of seeing how much your parents enjoy what you both are doing and how you both have supported one another that's where i'm coming from appreciate the family to me um you know it's everything i was playing a video the other day if my kids were young and um and i'm way off on a tangent here i love it though this is good stuff like that yeah please keep going i was telling my kids about something it was from four years ago and i was three years ago and i said family is love and love is family and if you're surrounded you understand the world is like that and i think you guys do i mean i see it from the outside i see it from the inside i see it from the outside i see that love in your own circles oh yeah yes jason the amazing life that you and your family have built travis what you're building and starting right there with your mom and dad and what you've done to make cleveland and specifically cleveland heights proud that love man that nurturing got you to where you are i had the same thing it's the best hello friends i want my dad to hear me 18 years i got chills right now thinking about it i just want to make him proud and that's when i say my feet hit the floor in the morning and i have gone through my ritual one of those things with gratitude it's just saying i want to make people proud it's the best and i'm going into augusta this week i'm going to give it my all oh you're going to make everyone proud and i just hope i can make people proud the people that i my family who i love and love his family well make sure i come up to you and pinch you so you know you're not dreaming guy i know what's about to come from pinches me from behind i won't even have to turn around look i'll know it's you when i'm playing in a big game and or win or win or loss you know jason's been at a lot of the big games my family has been at you know every big game in my life and those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you you see the ones that are that have been on this journey with you your entire life and you see you know where it's gotten to it's the most beautiful thing that uh that i could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that i have that much support from family and friends and um i remember the funniest one was coming up from that buffalo game uh where jason jumped out of the suite and jumped back in the suite i come up to the suite at the end of the game to celebrate my friends and family and jason has his shirt off still tony and i covered that game of course you know it very well yeah you caught a couple of thundies you're right you're right you caught one you looked up at him but knowing knowing you got that much support and you make your family and your loved ones that much that happy when they're when you're playing and they get that much excitement out of seeing you doing what you love the most it's the it's the best man and i hear you on that man the gratitude and and getting to be able to do what we love and all that makes uh makes it all worth it man you know the odds for what you guys have accomplished just that's again that gets back to that whole pinch me thing but the odds of even being able to make it to the nfl i mean everybody thinks that plays it at division one level thinks it's going to happen you couldn't tell me and jason that even with the one star connected to our names on all the high school recruiting i didn't even have a star zero stars i had the the picture of me was that black silhouette you know what i mean it is a pinch me moment whenever we look back at that and you know our families have been so uniquely blessed to share and all these experiences together um and then to make other families along the way and all the friends and not like anything else like you always accomplish things through the help and guidance uh with other people and um the teams we've been on the coaches we've been uh we've had along the way you mentioned something earlier jim about people infusing belief and i've said this before i think belief is the greatest thing you can give another human being for exactly what you're saying they're so so much you know in your own head that you can build up with doubt and in nerves and things when somebody gives you that gift it just it gives you the power to overcome all the little things that really don't mean anything and um i just love that so much um i do want to ask you do you have a welcome to broadcasting moment you talked about the nerves of that first masters at 26 years old uh is there something that happened maybe in your career that was like all right i'm finally doing this thing well before i got the cbs uh i was uh you know i was on the houston golf team but i was i was i was not as passionate about trying to be a professional golfer nor did i have the skill level nowhere close as i was you know the boyhood thing but i i started working in the business when i was 20 for the cbs affiliate in houston the four largest market in the country i was the weekend fill-in sports anchor but it amounted to a lot of like anchoring the sports broadcast uh on the like 10 or 11 o'clock news whichever time zone you're in you know what i'm talking about um and i was still living in the dorms and so uh i was still living with all my my my golf guys i mentioned before and and that was i knew that i was as far as like where i am with my age group being on a cbs station at 20 while i was still living still in college was rare i was very fortunate but then upon graduation i got an opportunity to be uh hired by the cbs affiliate in salt lake city at ksl and with that i got to do the utah jazz game so i was 23 i was in the nba calling nba and i was the play-by-play announcer for byu the coogs yeah they won the national championship in 1984 and i was doing their games steve young oh my gosh who had graduated a couple years before and was playing in the usfl for the la express oh my gosh so we're doing a game in provo and uh the booth where we broadcast from the cougar stadium was so small they've had us record our on-camera opening on the field so we knocked that out we jumped in the press elevator for the start of the show a few minutes later and the elevator blew a fuse and for a quarter and a half we the the elevator didn't move oh my are you kidding me meanwhile the game goes on the show goes on they ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen that says we are experiencing audio difficulties yeah you have no announcers that's an audio difficulty yeah just randomly blew a fuse and then it started back up and we rejoined the broadcast with our six minutes ago and a half that was a terrifying moment i can remember if you talk to steve ever about it to this day you know we were starting to get uh claustrophobic to say the least and it was a tiny panel you could knock it out i could lift them up if we wanted to and he could try to get out of the elevator shaft we decided that was not a good idea that could have prevented what later became a long-term career in san francisco but anyway uh we we uh we had that moment and then lo and behold after two years two and a half years in utah i got a call from a producer at cbs named ed gorin who later became the president of fox sports great friend of mine to this day he said we've been taping your shows for the last month and uh you're one of five finalists um for an opening at cbs sports i thought it was a prank call i thought it was one of my college buddies they knew this was my goal this can't be true come on i said come on give it up but uh the next day i was on a plane to new york and i was on a plane to cbs sports and i was on a plane to cbs sports and i was on a plane to cbs sports and famous broadcaster uh had this up-close show on espn uh the great james brown and i ended up uh winning the audition and within a couple of weeks i was on the air being introduced by brent musburger holy cow well thank god that uh that elevator got working baby do you take the stairs now do you make sure that doesn't happen is it that is a fair question you are one of one brother i agree with you i agree with you i agree with you can't tell you what an honor it has been to listen to you share these stories what honor it's going to be to watch you do your 41st masters you've officially surpassed the amount of balls rory had to hit you're way past them congratulations we're all looking forward to it thank you for having me on i really truly i i was uh so appreciative to get the uh invite to come on uh the week of the if even if it's just a minute if i had a chance to uh express how much i appreciate both of you in person and this particular podcast being a guest uh this week down in augusta jason good luck with that by the way i know you're going to be great have a have a wonderful time i'm here anything i can do to help you have any advice like what's the advice here yeah you know i mean it's my first time i've been to find your role for me it's going to be the interviewer interviewer of players and friends and family i'm kind of going to be boots on the ground just talking in between holes and stuff there's two things you're going to focus on here okay virtually everybody in that field is going to have a caddy that's special to them and more likely it's going to be a family member a child a daughter or even a wife yes so one is what was that experience like yeah and two is how do you feel about your game going into the tournament that's all you need to ask perfect now maybe somebody knocks a hole in a hole in one and you might ask them about that but i think people want to know what the week looks like for them and what that experience was like out on the par three tournament it's unique we don't see anything like that the rest of the year you don't need to dig uh much deeper than that this is a feel good event and you're going to be you're going to be the right guy to do that i got a i got a third one jason don't forget keep your shirt on goes without saying goes without saying yes it's a classy event jason thank you so much for hopping on with this thank you brothers i appreciate you both that dude was epic man the best it's i mean the wisdom and like the emotion that he's in the way he's able to tell a story i feel so dumb trying to talk to him gosh dang he is the best though and he mentioned the production meetings even in the production meetings like it's just there's something about jim that is just second to none the way he the way he articulates and listens ask questions it's like the elegance i thought about that before with like uh rich eisen like talking to him like some of these guys that just are so good on television uh they have a way of conversing and and you know saying things even just in regular ordinary life that just it's incredible it's awesome man and that was fucking a dream come true right there man getting jim nance on this thing right before the masters man right before the masters let's go baby jason can you do the honors already our guest today is is a six-foot golfer out of Dardanelle, Arkansas, I believe that's right. he's the 1991 pj tour rookie of the year he's got five pj tour wins two-time major champion and he won the 2021 pnc championship with his son and he was travis kelsey's co-star in happy gilmore too i wasn't a star he was a star he's here to grip it and rip it please welcome the one and only john fucking baby john how we doing brother let's fucking go as he cracks one man oh man look where's the cowboy that's what i love right there man hell yeah hell yeah brother how we doing doing great how you guys doing living the dream baby good getting fired up yeah living the dream uh travels golfing this past week we're getting geared up for the masters i'm sure you are as well where you at right now you got you're in your rv me and honor my girl we just uh we left sunday night from uh upland california we're just about just outside of tallahassee we're almost home in clearwater oh nice man nothing nothing wrong with a little like road trip man god i haven't been on one of those in a while man fucking love it man i was just up in abandoned dunes actually up in uh northern uh well oregon not necessarily northern cal but up in oregon man and that's a little bit of a different place man the views out there are insane but i'm not gonna lie i'm a bougie golfer now man i don't like to walk that much i don't love walking that much and that's a that's a hell of a terrain too so i was i was kind of that was a fucking workout man that's why i got ada my body's too screwed up that's what i'm saying they got to get some fucking golf carts out there man we got the masters this cup this is amazing the masters coming up you got to come see me at augusta i'll be at the the restaurant and bar called top dog oh man i can't wait to have a beer with you over there you guys up some merch we'll drink some john daly good boys smoke some john daly cigars some john daly mama lou spice so here we go lit on my fries does sound like a good time right there sign me up man varying on that we'll definitely stop we're all going to augusta what what makes this tournament so special in your eyes john well it's the only major that never leaves home it's it stays in the same spot every year the other three move around and uh and it's augusta it's it's the i mean i don't know if you guys have played it with y'all's status you should have been able to no it's just a very special week you know i played in it for a lot of years and had a few good tournaments there but uh you know even when i was playing i was selling my merchandise um it just gives me a chance to see the fans have a few cocktails sell some shit and uh good time what do you hold on i got the little eagle cheerleader outfit on that's a good outfit um you just mentioned you interacting with the fans i don't know that there's any golfer i've seen that has been more connected with his fans than you what do you think it is about you that made that the case funny for me i always played for him and uh you know there's no skeletons in my closet i've never lied to him if i screw up i tell him i screw up and apologize and move on and um they've been great to me you know it seems like everywhere i've been it's like a home field advantage you know what you guys you know playing for the eagles and that boy there new three-year contract all right now great great fans but your egos man your egos man when you guys are down a little bit they they i've never seen fans they'll let you know yeah yeah they let you know but that's i guess that's called loyalty i don't know but uh well it's it's passion it's passion john you know you think you take that grip it and rip it uh philosophy into life too not just on the golf course or oh yeah got to yeah you know i believe caffeine nicotine to go protein let's go the simple formula john as one of the legendary drivers of the ball i'm trying to get better at golf right now i'm trying to break 80 got a long-term goal that i want to make happen this year i've realized i need to improve my long game and my short game the most i'm pretty good my irons what is the key to driving the ball like what like what what were you what would be your main takeaways if you want to hit it longer and preferably straighter what would you say are like your hard fast rules yeah well i mean for me it's low and slow and finish the backswing but in golf i mean people always ask me how they hit it further well if you hit your best drive the best you can hit it that's pretty much as far as you're going to hit it now the good thing is it's like you guys practicing football every day every day consistency you know you get your batters down you get your plays down it's consistency and the more you're consistent with that the better you're going to be but if you want to break 80 get your ass out and hit 100 yard shots in and work on your button and chipping because that's what sure that's what'll get it done for you steal those strokes yeah he's got a fucking he's got a goddamn kfc uh potato wedge as a putter man it's it's like he just went to the local uh putt putt and just grabbed that thing out of the back he's got to get up to modern day man i don't know what he's doing with his putter you know those old bullseye putters that's what i got i got a bullseye well those are really good for fast greens but i don't know what greens you put on but you need to probably get a heavier putter like a big like a bit like a bent nardi or something like that a real heavy putter that'll help you short stroke and make a lot more putts okay that's a good tip i'm gonna take that one i'm already on a chance this guy's fucking trash yeah baby i'm gonna take you back to 91 man when you won the pga championship i just wanted to ask man you were the ninth alternate going in it to to win the whole thing is that correct yeah man that's crazy did you know going into that tournament that you were gonna have like a really good chance to win it or was were you just kind of like happy to be there what was the mindset going into that one well i was just happy to get in and you know back then i made 162 grand i kept my card for 92 you make 162 grand on pj tour you're working in a grocery store somewhere it's like groceries but um i i had a pretty decent year um the golf course just fit my eye i could fly all the trouble and reason i got in nick price uh sue had the baby and um i got it last and then i got in the pga championship and i got in the pga championship um but anyway he asked me if squeak the caddy for him i said hell yeah i love for squeak the caddy for me and uh that's awesome squeaking you a hell of a job it was a blur because i didn't get a practice round we just went in first round second third that's so crazy that is wild what else do you need to do you're worried about trying to fucking hit your drive straight just fucking hit it at what point did you know you were going to be a legit professional golfer like how when did you start playing and at what point was it like oh man i'm pretty damn good at this i'm starting when i was four i'm probably around 16 years old i i just said this is what i want to do i'm fat i'm flat foot i can't run football basketball's out i was a pretty good pitcher i guess i could have pitched but you know i'd have to play on a major league team where the pitcher doesn't hit which that would be the american league is that right american league they don't have i think it's both now but yeah i hear you back then i think it was just the national league pitchers that hit but uh right uh but no i was just too slow flat-footed and i feel like i had pretty good balance in my golf game because i'm so flat-footed so i just gotta expect it when i was 16 i said this is what i want to do i will say that man the swing is obviously one of the smoothest of all time man and how much how much you get on your backswing is so impressive man it's like you're getting to the other side of your head almost and for big guys like us like the shoulders just don't allow us to get to that point where we're not able to get to that point where we're so it's like you're like an anomaly in this world of like guys with big shoulders that can't get their swing all the way back there it's just i don't i don't even know where i'm going with i just fucking love the goddamn swing man you guys are always pumping and you're getting so strong here you're more well you need to stay flexible because you catch it jay you got to block those boys man you got to be strong yep it's tough because you get so tight you can't get the club back but like you know quarterbacks pitchers hockey players they're so flexible they can they can take the club back but yeah you just gotta you just gotta find your your consistent drive and see how far it goes and there's work on that because that's all you can do i mean i used to be able to hit it a long way now you know my drives in the 90s sound like atomic bombs i don't even want to tell you what they sound like now no get out of here i know you're still crushing cracking it you what was what was your furthest drive back in the like what's your furthest drive back in the day on tour i'm not sure how far but i hit i think the longest i ever saw was somebody hit it four times and i was like oh my god i'm gonna hit it five times four twenty i think i had one like 399 400 but i guess i'm saying that was back when that tech now what do you think realistically if you were still in your prime with the balls today and the drivers today what do you think you'd be hitting it'd be scary i mean we could we've me and jack nicholas have talked about that just think he was really long just think the technology went up to when i was playing um i don't know it's hard to say i know that i hit over 200 uh ball uh speed way before the rice he kept getting 198 199 he couldn't get there i said hey dude i did it 10 times in a row you'll get there with a ball on a freaking 32 8 32 being urban king driver yeah what you need to do is you need to unarch your feet you got to get more balanced you need more flat foot into the ground you're way too you're way too your arches exactly the arches you're just not made for it dude how cool is it seeing your son john daly the second man how cool is this seeing him making his pga tour debut and seeing him kind of follow your footsteps and everything i believe he went to arkansas i feel like i always see him with some arkansas gear on yeah yeah he's this is his last semester fifth year senior uh the team is really good i think they're fourth or fifth in the country so yeah he he hits it about 50 past me now but he still can't out chip yeah we can say when i one-arm him and i one-arm chip him he's got two hands on he gets so mad at me does your son ever uh push back on golf advice if he's anything like trap trap my dad would try and coach him up in baseball and stuff like that he never wanted to hear any of it what's what's john the second like with golf advice he'll listen to everybody but me same way it goes it's the same it's the father son thing now but you know if i see see him doing something wrong i'll watch him a few tournaments i'll tell coach there you go yeah yeah and little john i'll go dad coach really helped me he told me i had to get you when's the first time he actually beat you in a round uh let's see probably about four or five years ago oh wow yeah he's going into college right when he's like 16 that's amazing there you go man that's how you know that's what you what you should be doing in life right there when you're beating a pro i saw that little baby girl yours jace behind you what hey she's gonna be beating you in golf pretty soon too just trust me so i i want to get her out there hey she don't got it ain't gonna be very hard she might be able to beat me right now i don't have it got flexible shoulders you famously said once uh talking about your pre-round routine that you hit balls for maybe 20 minutes put a little bit uh smoke four or five cigarettes and then you drink three diet cokes and you go in for the first tee uh some days i won't even go to the range is that still the case i just smoke cigarettes and drink three diet cokes i don't even look at the putting green or practice get away from the putting green you feel like at this point in your career you can kind of just see the tint of the or like the color of the green and like the layout of it and get a good feel for it just off of like putting your eyes on it yeah we play you know i play two to three pro-ams a week too so it's not like i'm not going to know the golf course oh okay yeah gotcha yeah so it's uh you know it's it's there i play enough during the week that you know i need to go hit balls or beat balls all the time anymore my body can't hold up to it anyway 12 surgeries bladder cancer in the last you know eight years so yeah um you know if i went out and hit 20 putts i gotta sit down have a cigarette a diet coke or a john eddie good boy here we go get up 20 minutes do it again when we're young you can hit a thousand putts without no problem at all but i'm old if i knew i was gonna live to be this fucking old i'd have taken worse care of myself cheers to that brother you think there's a there's a bit of like like uh trying too hard and putting in too much work in that regard uh like like trying to fix it too much or especially like in between rounds well i think it's what you guys did after a game you know you gotta have that day that night off and then go go back at it your body's tired you get frustrated especially when you're tired but everybody's different you know i'm a guy that i've been you know gifted very natural ability very flexible that i didn't have to beat a lot of balls but i worked my ass off on my short game 150 yards in i'd beat balls every day for that but that's where you score but no everybody's a little different i mean you know these guys are working out they're getting hurt they're hurting themselves working out too hard you know they're not they don't need to be like you guys you got to do it to be man on man and football but golf you just want to keep your flexibility you want to be able to do what you can do and don't push it too hard guys are getting back problems and pumping weight too long and shit when i grew up man it was like let's go play god i'm gonna say you ever see you ever see me play golf i'm gonna say you ever see me play golf i'm gonna say you know i'm gonna open up john daly gym lazy barstool on the treadmill ashtray cup holder drink holder corn on tv and topless weight i'll put them i'll put them on by fitness 24th i love it i love it hey i'll get a membership to that right now come on now sign me up baby yearly membership i do think you're onto something no because it's just that way in football you're not gonna be able to do that you're not gonna sometimes guys put in so much work and they get so meticulous with everything their diet weight lifting and they forget that you're there's a it's not a formulaic thing you can try and make it that way but at the end of the day there is an art to it and there's and there's a uh a freedom that you need to play with as well and if you try and be a robot out there it's just like it doesn't work in football and i know like golf you would think there's less factors and maybe you can be more robotic but it's not like that it's not like that it's not like that it's not like that but i bet there is a similarity there where you can't allow that to overtake your mental approach to the game yeah i mean we're the only sport that the boundaries change every day you know yeah we're not playing the same field we're you know even if it's the same golf course t-boxes they change t-boxes they move them up back green the pins are changed you got ob's you got hazards that come into play but you know it's it's it's just a brutal game man it's and people don't realize it does take a i don't work out i put out but it's taking it's taking a toll on my game on my body and uh right people they go it's such an easy sport yeah this is a kind of a pussy sport bullshit this is a man oh man it's every part of your body's got to work and when you're repetitionally hitting that many balls it's no different than you guys what you guys do it's it's brutal on the body no doubt i get more sore playing golf than i ever did sometimes at practice i go out there you're up and down you hit a bunch of ball and trust i'm i'm over 100 strokes sometimes john i'm using all of them i got right so it gets within 50 yards and starts playing ping pong in the green man the funniest line was from brett farver i'm playing with him in the pro am in memphis in august it's 125 degrees we're on the 15th oh he goes you know what bailey i'd rather have a 350 pound lineman just run my ass over right now this is crazy seriously i'll take one in as opposed to four hours of it yeah man no doubt i was gonna say golf having a like a surge of the century like everybody is getting into the game nowadays and it feels like you're you're seeing more and more content everybody wants to have some sort of golf show because of how fun the game is and also just how like you can the banter in between is it's very it's a it's a game you can comment on and a game that you can you can act within it's it's like everybody has these new shows and everything do you do you like how the game has been growing or is this starting to get kind of like i don't know sidetracked from what the game really is supposed to be oh i love it i mean you know the only thing the only downfall is is everybody hits a 320 now to 350 that's not a downfall but you know i i i look at kids growing up playing golf now all they want to do is go to driving range and beat a driver 320 yards but the 100 yard chip shot they're missing the green they're duffing it they're not you know doesn't matter how far you hit it but if you ain't got a short game what's the use it's like having a quarterback that can't call an audible and throw i see you big dog you need that guy you need that guy to be able to get some if you gotta sniff out that defense man i'm telling you you gotta change the fucking play no i hear you we actually we got a little note in here about your your high school kicker days oh yeah yeah okay he's talking we got we got to go ahead elias high school elias crusader jeff city missouri what nice hell yeah so you were so were you like you were right on the border there or well it's about uh 35 miles south of columbia nice i'm yeah i'm familiar but that's where you went to high school so you you grew up in arkansas and then went to high school in jefferson city yeah well i went my sophomore and junior year i finished my last semester my senior year in arkansas but uh yeah i was there for a couple years but now we went to state we had our first perfect season at 10 and 0 since 57 we won our first playoff game in st charles they were just too fast was it just i could throw it but i couldn't run i could punt it thank you god i didn't have to run but i did the pump pass and kicks when i was young and your coach oh yeah big red baby he looked as big as you jason it looked like he was playing for the rams at la rams at that point yeah he's such an awesome coach i love him but uh yeah i went to pump pass and kick ways and uh when i was eight superdome opened up at 74 and the first person i met was archie manning how about it and i was talking about a line he could have done something but uh it was great meeting him and and you know just getting into the i love football football is my passion um like i said flat-footed and i straight on i kick it barefooted right on the nose man that was what i was gonna ask because i know you golf barefoot were you a barefoot kicker as well yeah i could kick it a lot further i just kick it off my big toe that's so good but i got something that a lot of kickers didn't get look up the 92 all mad kicker team what okay were you on it look at that i i was the uh john madden hated kickers and we were uh we were out doing the money knives frank gifford held the ball for me and on monday night football in san francisco and i kicked a 45 yard or 40 yarder and coach madden was out there and he goes okay i gotta like you son you put me on the 1992 old madden team that's a that's the kicker that's so fucking good man that's my only thing i can say bro that's one of the that's one of the most like awarded things as a player because john obviously madden was like the mecca of or like the best in the entire football world like he's our like savior in this world so to get that uh get that nod that's pretty fucking dope but that's crazy dude the 1992 i think i'm lining up a putt or something i the card that it has is a 1992 all that team i think i'm lining up a putt i can't remember what the card looks like but it's pretty cool i gotta get that heck yeah do you have a welcome to golf moment like welcome to the pga moment welcome to the pga i think uh would be probably winning the pga you know most of the time i could hit it kind of long and i'd have a but you know the group i'm playing with the sign carrying about five people watch me hit it then they go watch somebody else back in the day but yeah the pga of america was probably i didn't realize what i did until i got to colorado the next week it was like 12 000 people sitting there waiting for me like you guys super bowl y'all have hundreds of thousands but kind of felt like that like couldn't breathe you know it was really weird that's crazy man i believe that's an awesome story man well john d man we appreciate the time we appreciate the stories um can't wait to run up on that uh that fitness center you were just talking about and get a subscription for the year uh but we appreciate you dog thank you for uh jumping on with this big guy you got it i'll get y'all's address send you a bunch of these beautiful please please do please cigars and i'll send you some of my mama lou's uh seasoning here put on everything is there there a site there a site everybody can uh jump on and go grab that stuff or yeah well good boy you just go to goodboy.com you see the john daly uh the cigars johndalycigar.com and mama lou's just go to john daly's seasoning hell yeah but i'll i'll send you guys yeah we'll throw we'll throw those links in the uh in the episode too man where are you at down in augusta as well because we're gonna make sure we run into you what what bar did you say again i'll be there from this saturday to next saturday love it son all right perfect top dog forget it top dog don't seem like a top golf kind of guy you seem like a top dog kind of guy side note what's augusta's been is really regarded for like the food and everything around there the pimento cheese sandwich and also what are the must what we're going there this week we've been before to the uh to the major but what should we what are the must do's if you go to uh the masters as a spectator practice rounds are the best because you can okay yeah you won't be able to take your phone in and all that stuff they take your phone so just leave it somewhere um yeah but you can see the guy's practice that's what's really cool that's cool you get okay and um but the best place to be is going to be a top dog just on road just that's what i'm talking about before you go back into training there big listen you already know i'm gonna say i'm gonna eat real clean this week just so i can get out there to augusta and have a few of those those uh trust me hell yeah you're the man big guy we appreciate the time man you already know we'll see you we'll try to see you next week down there in augusta love you boys always watch you keep it going thank you to jim nance and john daly two of the most epic and like iconic men in uh in golf and man uh 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you hundreds you're in good hands with allstate potential savings vary subject to terms conditions and availability allstate north american insurance company and affiliates northbrook illinois all right now it's been a minute since we've dipped into the no dumb questions bag so let's uh take a minute to dive into one all right this uh edition of turbo tax.com no dumb questions is brought to you by apple one of our favorite companies out there because it's every device that i have around me all right here we go what side of tiktok are you on oh my i don't understand what this is yeah i'm confused on this as well it's a voice it's a voicemail it's a voicemail i'll play it i'll play it but what does it mean what side of tiktok are you on tiktok's on voicemails the question's a voicemail jesus oh we was the prompt from us what side of tiktok are you on let me just play the question it's gonna make sense i promise so i have a question i always wonder what side of tiktok people are on so that's my question what side of tiktok are y'all on that is not related to you guys i mean currently i'm on the side of tiktok that doesn't watch tiktok i only post on tiktok i don't uh scroll tiktok she's asking if we're pro tiktok or against tiktok no she's asking us she's basically saying that there's an algorithmic thing that steers you into a certain type of content on tiktok and i think tiktok people understand what she's asking but neither of us being tiktok individuals i don't think you're gonna understand this question what's coming up on your feed is basically the question my algorithm on instagram reels right now is heavy golf content i mean i am getting there's this one guy dan grieve i think is his name grieves uh has a the the three releases i'm about to buy his book but uh he's got just get it on approach game you don't have enough time to sit down and read jason get it on audio well i mean audio book is still getting it on getting his book okay you're so painful um but uh yeah a lot of golf content um a lot of ai videos that i have to look at for a couple seconds to see if they're ai but of course of course they were ai from the very beginning just you got to get out early so you don't keep getting those fed to you man there's nothing worse than ai but i'm going to go through the comment section just to make sure that it's ai you're hilarious even though it's a no it's obviously ai um the ai videos are the worst man i know what mine are um rodeos guys getting slung off bulls uh otters as we all know there's always those like three or four like reels or just uh i don't know updates on what otters have been doing around the world and then just sports everything every sport you can think of highlights all over the fucking place um i got a lot of comedy like sketches like like little like comedy bits like stand-up bits that i come across all the time they yeah same same the stand-up bits are always fucking entertaining to me um what else is in the algorithm surprisingly not as much football as you would think i mean i get my fix on football with just like my love for the game i think right now there's nothing there's no football being played that's a good point it's probably playing into it yeah i uh i'll get i'll get all that stuff just on like the threads and like conversations through like my like messages yeah yeah yeah and we'll we'll shop that shop those posts around to each other more than we'll actually see it on the reels um if it has to do with sports it's probably on the algorithm and then comedy a bunch of shit i can just laugh at i'm looking through it right now i'm not getting a lot of i was big on billiards for a little bit oh still get some billiard stuff i mean any sports stuff is kind of free it kind of alternates probably a lot with the season which is why i'm getting golfing right now and not a lot of football i get a lot of like do-it-yourself stuff oh diys yeah yeah a lot of like building cabins in the backyard yep yep carpenter work yeah that's i mean that's huge i love that shit i could sit there and watch that shit all fucking day there's actually there's some shit i gotta send it to you there's a youtube of like but it's like it's an hour long like it just shows these guys in the middle of like a jungle putting an entire like hotel suite with a pool they're making this all out of clay and fucking wood it's insane i'm more of a youtube deep dive and then like certain guys on that making stuff with like long form that i'll kind of try to get into once again this edition of no dumb questions was brought to you by apple all right the last thing before we wrap let's take a final look at the standings in the new heights reese's bracket challenge shout out to the night super centers bracket leaders we are recording this monday morning but right now here is what we got the women's winner which is over so this will be the winner is ucla man congrats to jenna duncan oh very fitting what a real last name all right way to go jenna we're going to go with jenna duncan we're going to go with jenna duncan winner of the women's bracket challenge and then the men's leaders it all comes down to the final it will either be connor or k mall yes good luck to both you guys connor came all whoever wins between yukon and michigan michigan looked real i'm not gonna lie once houston was out i thought arizona was gonna take it michigan i mean just jesus they are but yukon that does have the juice too these are this is gonna be a fun game tonight i'm pumped new height staff updates uh men's jake has won the new heights men's bracket challenge once again he won it last year the loser is still aaron uh who i mean in some ways did something nobody else thought possible so congratulations winning a single round of 32 game something that i still can't believe and uh the winner of the women's is pj pj congratulations way to go uh and the loser is still travis despite his angling to somehow blame me for him losing to everybody in new heights's bracket no no no i didn't say i blamed you for losing i said you cheated i didn't say i blame you for me losing you still lost to everybody else in the and i didn't cheat on the women's the women's i didn't actually didn't seek advice or change anything yeah you're right mama kelsey has weighed in she knows that i will exhaust every loophole possible she very conveniently did not call me a cheater though she did not say those words so listen we all know you're a cheater everybody in the comments in the post news they know you're a cheater and i rest my case you're a cheater you if i have to do it you have to do it listen i will do it i will do it just because first of all being in a waffle house and trying that challenge sounds fun but i in no way cheated and i don't need to listen to a bunch of people who are fans of yours in the comment section accuse me that's not how i i deserve and unbiased jury not the travis kelsey fan club being like oh yeah you did cheat jason no you must you must you must look at the comments most of the comments actually say that they are not fans of me and that they are huge fans of you and that they typically side with you on everything but you definitely cheated i cheated in no way i don't know what to tell these people they it's a good thing that our fans are not it's not judges yeah it's not an objective thing it is a subjective thing you cheated no it's objective that i did not cheat it is not subjective it is plain and apparent it's actually it's actually impossible to cheat in this because you hit submit and then your bracket is submitted so there's no way for me to have cheated unless games already happen cheater shout out to everyone that participated in this year's re-season new heights bracket challenge we uh we absolutely love doing these things next year we're going to go in to it with a lot more details knowing that some people like to bend the rules we will be emailing the winners after the men's and women's finals so please check your email after those games if you have won good luck to the games tonight all righty that's a wrap up of another episode of new heights thank you to jim nance and john daly make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on youtube or wherever you get your podcasts once again new heights a wondrous show brought to you by at&t our favorite provider out there follow the show on all social media add new heights show with what s thanks to the new heights production team for always keeping us in line and finishing on time and doing things the right way because you get a little crazy in this world thank you guys thank you to all the 92 percenters for tuning into this madness we'll see you guys down there in august if you're going gonna be fun hold up hold up i did do some research because we are are we doing the waffle house challenge that's what we're doing if that's what we can agree on we're going to do the waffle house three two we'll do it i don't know when we're going to record that in la well there's no la out here brother probably do it down at augusta this week twist my arm i'll come to augusta what are you looking for i did a whole like calorie deep dive into um how many calories it would be to eat your way out of waffle house okay and i cannot find it how many calories are in a waffle house waffle uh a standard rough house waffle contains 400 calories oh that was not the number i got what'd you get it was higher than that i know that all right well we can sidebar on this we're losing travis we're losing him what do you mean you're not trying to keep going you know the show ends when it spiritually ends it's not really uh you just wrap this episode i think let's wrap on out of here i will walk away from the computer come on jason god damn it wrap the we'll do this later people don't want to watch us do math