JFK, UFOs, Atlantis and Mind Control: The Man Who Put World Famous Conspiracies to the Ultimate Test

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the official explanation which is no explanation at all and then they moved on well chad robichaux is not willing to move on he's the host of our new series shadow figures which investigates some of history's greatest mysteries from the jfk assassination to lost civilizations to many other topics that we should pause and think about what is that it is fascinating it's worth watching you can watch it now at tucker carlson.com chad joins us now chad thank you very much for doing this and for making this series which is amazing yeah so you've gone through and reassessed and with some rigor i would say uh logical rigor and science a bunch of different stories um theories uh that are you know kind of ever present in a lot of people's minds and i just want to go through some of them and ask what you've learned and some of these especially the first one the jfk assassination it's like kind of hard to think about what you could add to that but i think you have added something to it so what has surprised you or struck you about that story as you've looked at it well i mean uh i didn't realize there was that this alternative uh motive theory that uh jeff crookshank who who are our shadow figure the way the show works is a shadow figure is someone that has a theory yeah or a conspiracy uh for a theory of a conspiracy or mystery that uh you know you're not going to be able to figure out what's going on and you're not going to be able to figure out what's going on and you're not going to be able to figure out that's who the shadow figure is so in this one is jeff crookshank and and we didn't want to do a show where we had the theory and we investigated our own theory we want to talk to people that had these theories uh but my frustration has been as a fan of these topics like ancient aliens and things like that has been watching these shows and seeing historians and experts and college professors getting on cameras and changing from face to face and you're just talking about it i'm like well somebody go get a shovel and dig a hole like exactly like that's right do it and it's unsatisfying yeah yeah i'm like i could do that i could get a group of special operations guys who have uh investigative spirit uh they're highly intelligent highly capable and we have all the modern technology and ability to do that we can go investigate these things and so let's talk to the these people that have these theories and either prove them or debunk them or find out more information for them and so jeff crookshank in the jfk episode is australian intelligence officer uh his whole career uh uh in in australian intelligence and he also as part of his job was investigating the jfk assassination and then he he took that from his from his occupational uh uh of actually doing it for this uh australian intelligence agency that he was with he's taken that in a and became a hobbyist in it yes and so he had his own theories of why i mean there's there's tons of reasons why someone would have wanted to kill jfk you know robert kennedy putting the mafia in jail uh uh us attempting to assassinate fidel castro jfk allowing a coup in in south vietnam uh you know russia like all all the all different kind of reasons that that could have happened uh but one that jeff crookshank presented was his beef jfk's personal beef with alan uh dallas director dallas of the cia and uh as as jfk takes office he inherits the uh the overthrowing of of cuba from an eisenhower plan called uh the bay of pigs and there's this invasion of local nationals that defectors that we had in control of about 1100 of them invaded cuba and it was a complete flop and jfk blamed director dallas on it they say that's one of the reasons that he forced him to resign uh but where crookshank presents is that there were some other reasons to do with uap programs that kennedy wanted access to and uh and kennedy kept pushing for that even as dallas left the cia was still involved in these programs uh they had to stop kennedy from uh pushing to have access to these programs and he was specifically concerned that some of these programs would start a war with russia this happened in the middle of the 19th century the the the uh you know cuban missile crisis right uh i mean uh with all the nuclear like the world's on the edge of a nuclear war and kennedy's worried about that because because there's a program called uh uh project palladium that by the way this is going to come back later um lee harvey oswald was part of in the 50s and and project palladium was the spoofing of russian radio uh defense system radar defense systems so we were like kind of probing their radar defense systems at the same time the u.s military is doing things like like like uh these these different operations uh one of them was uh operation fishbowl operation dominic where we are actually testing nuclear over the that uh over the pacific we're testing nuclear explosions in the ionosphere and so as this is all happening kennedy's like hey this is going to start a nuclear war i need access to these programs because uh we need to let russia know what we're actually doing and dallas is pushing back and so the big that crookshank has is that jfk was killed over this the fact that lee harvey oswald who was arrested for the murder and then of course famously killed by nightclub owner jack ruby uh two days later but the fact that he was involved in project palladium is that one of those weird coincidences do we think it's relevant well i mean um it goes to the the the fact that they think he it could have been a weird coincidence right but but it also he was he was part of the there's some there's some cia folks that said that they were following a look-alike in mexico to uh to uh pin the assassination of cash of uh fidel castro on uh on oswald and so he if he was if he was part of that then then uh they think that that it eventually shifted from killing castro to killing jfk and so these guys came out and said they didn't want to be part of it this is what crookshank claims and uh and now uh one of the things that that ties to the ufos is as operation bluegill uh if you watch the old videos operation bluegill there's a a video of of a icbm going in the air exploding oh this was the first one didn't explode it goes in the air and as it's coming back down there's a orb that follows it back down and this is a documented video originally originally this in in our in shadow figures in a show originally the department of energy actually blocked that out they altered the video so you couldn't see the orb we have we actually have the the real footage of the orb being seen and then when you go triple pine the uh as a next operation the icbm goes up it explodes and when it explodes that same orb actually falls now the the people the military people involved in this they were called they actually had seen this orb so many times they were calling it a tag along so they actually had named it and this orb falls down and the naval ship records uh reflected there was actually a ufo recovery of that orb and when they brought it onto the ship the power in the ship went out certain uh some some uh sailors got uh radio radiation sickness uh and then they brought it back to the ship uh so this is actually documented uh by the navy these orbs they recovered something whether it's ufo but this uh crookshank claims it was a ufo so uh this kind of ties to the fact that there was uh a ufo or ufo uap programs tied to these operations that kennedy was wanting access to why wouldn't the president of the united states to be able to get access to information in the branch of government he controls well i mean that's been uh kind of uap uh i mean i don't think president trump has access no these programs right now i think there's a there's a secret segment part of the government that has uh worked outside of congressional control for quite some time and if you look at uh something like the majestic 12 which is if you know what the majestic 12 is true i'm sure you do for those listening uh president truman started the majesty 12 to investigate uap activity uh it was it was briefed to eisenhower but no one since uh including including jfk who he wanted access to this information about this majestic 12 or mj12 and so i think i think jfk was probably the first president that this was kept from and uh and they did successfully keep it from him now whether they killed him over or not right this is speculation about shadow figure jeff crookshank but but it was kept from jfk and uh and has been kept i believe from every president since why would a president put up with that i know we're going far afield here yeah yeah just kidding that's not self-government if the guy who's been elected by the population to run the country can't see information in the government he controls how is it a democracy it's not it's not i mean we we uh there's certainly a from what i've said i know you've done extensive amount of research in this too but from what i've researched as well i mean this this has been a issue for many presidents many presidents where they personally get in the white house and i mean if i was president what the first thing i want to see is i want to see i want to see the greys i want to see the aliens i want to see the aircraft i want to see these things and uh and they've been stonewalled to see these things and and including uh uh members of congress right now i mean right now you have members of congress like uh burleson who are trying to go see these sites and they're not getting access to see these sites. And, you know, there's somewhere within our government for obviously a very, very long time, although he sends back French Truman, they begin to segment off a part of the government that people don't have access to, including the President of the United States. And I agree with you. I don't think it's a democracy. That just means it's a separate government. It's a separate government, exactly. Right, there's a country. And, by the way, we could go way into this, but there's money being siphoned off to fund these programs. Well, of course. A tremendous amount. When you have an imbalance in budgets like we have, right, it would be pretty easy to siphon off money to run these programs. Yeah. Well, I know the rigorous annual audits they undergo must find those imbalances. Yeah, right, okay. So, sorry. Back to the Kennedy assassination. So, is Crookshanks' belief that Oswald acted alone? No. He believes that he's part of a CIA assassination team. Now, whether that was official or rogue, he doesn't really make claim to that. But he does believe this is the same assassination team that was being used and trained to assassinate Fidel Castro. Again, they were in Mexico having a Leo Harvey Oswald lookalike filming him going to Soviet embassies and different locations to really plot for him to be the patsy for a Fidel Castro assassination. And they shifted the target to JFK. That's his claim. So, anywhere worth going this Christmas is better when you wear uncomfortable boots. And Toccova's makes the absolute best boots you will ever wear. Trust us on this. Toccova's is stewarding the future of the American West, honoring its heritage, shaping a lifestyle rooted in authenticity and rugged style, American style. Good looking and great for the wintertime, by the way. Handcrafted with premium cowhide, goat, exotic leathers like an ostrich. Take your pick. Toccova's offers timeless styles for the whole family, plus comfort. 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And so that any type of military operation that, you would, you would have that. And so, so he believes that whether it was Oswald or someone else was in the Texas Book Depository building, sixth floor, and had, had that trajectory of shots. Now, you know, I personally believe that Oswald was one of the shooters. Was there two shooters in the Book Depository building? I don't know. I, I, there was at least one there, but we also believe that a different trajectory, that there was one in the trajectory of the grassy knoll. Crookshank believed that, that specifically there was someone hiding in the storm drain of the grassy knoll. So that's his claim. His claim is that there's two shooters, a minimum of two shooters, one in the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository building where Oswald was alleged to be. And the second would be at the storm drain of the grassy knoll. And so for us, we, this is a theory and we want to test this theory and to test that theory, I put together what I believe to be some of the best special operations snipers of our generation, led by Mark Green, who is a Navy SEAL sniper, but he's also the commander of sniper. School for the Navy SEALs, very, uh, intelligent, uh, military officer and, uh, and, and sniper, uh, and we had some others in Dennis Price, uh, Colton Hill, uh, Cody Alford, uh, Marsoc, uh, Marine Force Recon, Marsoc scout sniper, incredibly experienced snipers. We brought some of the best guys we could to actually recreate those scenarios and test those shots. We're going to play a clip of what you just described. It was time to see how hard it would be to replicate what the government says Oswald did. Nick Kennedy three times, allegedly hitting him twice with a bolt action rifle while traveling in a moving vehicle. All right, spotter, talk to me. Hey, we got a target in the vehicle, 12 o'clock, a hundred yards. Roger that, 12 o'clock, a hundred yards. Uh, six miles per hour, quarter value, hold slight left when ready. Six miles per hour, quarter value, holding left. Shooter's ready. Shooter ready. Standby. Starting winch. Hold right shoulder. Hit. Nice headshot. She would cheer or no? All right. I think you should say, oh, no. It looks like a, is it, am I wrong? It looks like it was a good hit. Yeah. It blew it apart. It was the bottom right of the skull. So Mark nailed it. Three shots, eight seconds. The only thing to consider is Mark did have Dennis as a spotter. Supposedly Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. So what did we learn? So we learned that, uh, that the, the Warren commission, by the way, which was a 1964, Warren commission was the S investigation of the JFK assassination, by the way, in 2023, did at a Gallup poll and, and 65% Americans don't buy that story. Uh, no surprise there, but, uh, but there was, there was some flaws. I'd love to meet the 35 who do. Who do. Yeah. They go along with everything. Right. Uh, but, but, um, one of the things specifically that, that our, our shooters disagree with our snipers disagree with was, was some of the forensics and the, uh, autopsy that this was a rear entry. Wound and a, and a, a rear, a rear lower, uh, lower head entry wound. And the exit wound was from the, from the front right skull. Yes. We believe, we believe that to be from assessment that that was actually reverse, that the entry room was in the front of the skull and exit it out of the back. Uh, this has been debated beyond us. Right. So we, so it, since we believe that we, that aligned with what crookshanks theory was. So we reshot it. First thing we wanted to see was could Oswald successfully pull off eight shots, uh, three shots and eight seconds. We believed he could, uh, and, and we were able to do that pretty easily. Um, six, six, uh, six floor, uh, 60 to 90 yards was the assessment of how far it was a moving vehicle, uh, and, and to belt a, at least get one headshot from there. We able to reshoot that no problem. Oswald was capable of using the Carcano rifle the same. We used the Carcano rifle and, uh, in the other was the magic bullet there. He wanted to see you could, could that bullet actually go through, uh, JFK and enter the governor's office. Uh, now you're talking about going through soft tissue of the neck, uh, coming out of JFK's front of his neck, going into the governor, going through his, through his body, uh, going through his wrists and then lodging in his knee. Could that bullet actually do that? I could say right away definitively. Yes. There's nothing matching about that bullet. You have a, you have a, a 7.5 millimeter bullet, full metal jacket moving at 2000 feet per second in excess of 2000 feet per second at 60 to 90 yards. It still has the velocity to do that. So nothing's matching about that. I think only person that. Uh, that heard it, uh, audibly, no one really heard it audibly. Uh, we see, we see him, uh, slump over and he's leaning and we see the, uh, the bullet, which we believe entered here and, and, and exited here. And so the trajectory of that would have had to, would have had to line up as he passed the storm drain. You get about at a vehicle moving anywhere from probably nine to 11 miles an hour as it's passing there. You, if someone's in a storm drain, they're going to have like a one to two second window to get that shot off. And where's it going to hit? Cause you can't control. If you're in that storm drain, you can't control, uh, that amount of, amount of, uh, the, the window you're going to have to shoot from. So we put Cody Alford in the storm drain with a pistol and we rolled it across. And, and when, when he came across, he had a split second to make the shot. And when it, the shot went off and we had that, that dummy position, it hit it exactly in a spot of the skull that we believe was the entry wound for JFK. And the third and final. How far was the storm drain from the vehicle ish? Uh, 10 to 15 feet close. If you imagine just a vehicle driving in the lane next to the storm drain, that's it. And if you're sitting in that storm drain, which is, it's like a, uh, an urban area storm drain, it's a very small window and, uh, you had to be waiting. Yeah. So you had to be waiting for it to happen and you probably was, were cued or you, he would have heard other shots, right? That the shooter would have either been cued by radio or he would have heard other shots as signal shots and, and he, he knew that vehicle was coming and, uh, and when it hit, uh, I think we all conclusively knew when it hit because it hit so precise to what the forensics and autopsy show, like right in the, in the exact same spot and we, we had positioned that dummy to have that same leaning angle as JFK was holding his neck. And so we believe to be, we believe that, that, uh, Crookshanks, maybe not motive of, of why it happened, but the theory of, of a shooter in the storm drain for that third and final fatal shot was a hundred percent correct. And, and, and this is nothing about opinion. or his opinion about, this is math. ballistics and trajectory uh and and we just did a math project and based on the ballistics and trajectory would be that third final and fatal shot came from even if the theory was correct even if the theory was correct that that that this was the entry wound and this was the exit wound the trajectory doesn't match the the sixth floor in the book depository building so it couldn't have came from there if if if the if we're wrong about the entry and exit then that shot that third and final shot did not come from the textbook depository building it came from somewhere else but we believe that the entry was the front uh the front of his head so nobody wants to feel tired and foggy you got low energy that hurts your career your health your marriage joy and blokes is one of the best ways to make sure you stay totally alert on top of your game the message to men is simple if you're tired of being tired you don't 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who's on this plane 20 semiconductor engineers are part of a of government program flying from malaysia to beijing uh so there's a little bit of a motive there like where are these guys going are they defecting going to give u.s technology to china and and so the u.s military would or the cia or u.s military want to gain control of the aircraft and so how do they do that well they uh what what ashton alleges is that the plane takes off and after the plane takes off smoke uh starts coming from the back of the aircraft and the plane lowers itself uh it lowers itself and and uh naval vessel contacts the pilot and says your plane's on fire uh we need you to go to this location and we're going to do emergency rescue and so the plane uh on fire theory is something that we needed to test because we didn't believe that uh that there could be a plane on a fire that would last uh over an hour uh to be able to make it to a rendezvous point uh you first of all you can't have a the the the the plane fire was said to be because of these these lithium batteries were put on this plane unmanifested i think um i think i gotta go back to the number but i think it's like 200 pounds of lithium battery put on this plane unmanifested right before now lithium uh fire can't be put out with water in fact the aircraft don't even have water suppression systems because you can't carry that much water to put it out and so if a lithium battery fire took place in the ground immediately and so we want to be able to prove that theory so we we got a scale down one and 30th scale aircraft and we lit it on fire to see how long it would last and it lasted minutes so that that that that was not a scenario that we believed was possible and so we believe that it would have been a there would have been some kind of uh maybe diversion uh incendiary device that smoke just to be able to create a that scenario to gain control of the aircraft uh forbes claims that that then the pilot complied went to went out towards where the the naval ship was and then was intercepted by a predator drone you can see the feed on the video you can see part of the predator the predator drone on the video and uh and and there's another satellite video of it from two different angles so you have two different angles showing the same thing you see a plane flying with smoking on the back of it and you see one orb come in and a second orb come in and a third orb come in these orbs start circling the aircraft uh in a weird pattern a very not a weird pattern but a very a weird pattern a very uh um synchronized pattern and then they flash a flash goes and the plane disappears one of the interesting things he brought brought up with this was that that uh the plane reappears near the the cia military base and and when it uh when it does people spot a burning plane there's eyewitnesses of a burning plane going through there and both the disappearance location the reappearance location which are a thousand miles away uh also the cell phones and the cell phones start pinging uh because it's low enough for the cell phones start pinging so that in both locations you have cell phones pinging from both locations is that is that a fact uh that's his claim this claim i haven't seen reports this is his claim that the cell phones are pinging in both locations that they and that the family members there's statements from the family members that the cell phones continue to ring for up to a week uh so when you call a phone if it's in the bottom of the ocean it's not going to ring it's going to write the voicemail but if you call a phone and it's still uh you know in service it's going to ring and go to voicemail and so family members claim those phones ring for up to a week and uh and so his his claim is that some sort of some sort of teleporting technology and these orbs were able to capture that plane and move it to a different location what happened the rest of the people on the plane we never heard from them again this has been searched like for years uh for debris and there's been small parts of debris some people in uh finding the aircraft and uh there's no evidence where their aircraft would have went so i don't know what i think i'm skeptical though of that theory yeah that's that that actually that that actually is one of the ones i'm i'm slight skeptical about as well uh the video is very much in question uh ashton forbes spends his life defending this video we did have a hollywood uh producer come on and look at the video and say that the video was was not doctored because of the way the orbs go through the the chemtrail and the the whole thing so it's kind of one of those things orbs go through the the chemtrail and the the whole thing it's kind of one of those things chemtrail and the the or the smoke in the back of there chemtrail the smoke in the back of the aircraft uh he said they couldn't have been doctored because of that uh however we couldn't test that i don't have a orb weapon system to test yes but we could test was that was the was the fire theory and we we didn't believe that that that was a real fire on an aircraft we believed that it was a diversion to put on it there was really and the official claim is there was a lithium battery but this lithium battery fire it wouldn't have made it uh yeah and you'd think that if the plane was on fire it wouldn't have made it uh yeah and you'd think that if the plane was on fire it wouldn't have made it uh yeah and you'd think that if the plane was on fire it wouldn't have fire there'd be some kind of mayday from the pilot yeah of which there's no record that's right is atlantis a real place i believe the proverbial city of atlantis is a real place uh episode three is probably one of my favorite episodes uh because i love the ocean i love diving and uh and i love uh i love the idea of of the pre-pre-deluvian or anti-deluvian world before the flood um i believe everything by the way in my search for all these mysteries and conspiracies and conspiracies i'm a christian like you and uh so everything for me begins in the garden it begins at creation and and uh and as you look at look at uh as a look at our world the you know war and and division and and all these things going on in the world today i think it all begins there uh genesis in genesis 3 15 it talks about uh it talks about you know the in the garden and and satan deceiving the woman and and adam and eve uh taking a bite of the fruit and deceiving uh uh rebelling against god but then in in in genesis 3 15 it says that the that there's gonna be emin immunity that between the woman and and the serpent between her offspring and his offspring this is christians call this the first gospel because in that short phrase it tells it tells it talks about the deception it talks about the rebellion it talks about the curse it talks about a spiritual war it talks about the hardship with that that uh that uh the seed of of satan is going to bruise the heel of of the seed of the woman uh but it says that the seed of the woman's gonna crush the head of the serpent uh uh which is the i believe the cross and and the redemption of mankind so you had this amazing thing laid out uh christians call this the first gospel uh laid out in genesis 3 15 and i think it all it all began it all begins there if you jump from that to uh genesis 6 and you talk about uh genesis 6 is basically the introduction to many uh leap from there to the book of enoch but it talks about the sons of god angels breeding with women and creating giants and so this is the pre-diluvian world the pre-flood world that we that we live in and while that while it's really important to atlantis and some of these topics is because if you if you take the leap to the book of enoch and i know a lot of christians would be like don't read enoch well we read millions of people have read rick warren's books and john eldridge and all these are the books reading something outside the bible this is not sacrilege to read those things i think you should take it in context and anything i read by the way i contrast the gospel if it contradicts the gospel then i'll read it i'll throw it out but i've read book the book of enoch and by the way it was it was found with the dead sea scrolls in 1947 it's referenced for maybe five uh hebrew hebrews uh genesis jude luke and maybe peter is a little bit of reference to the book of enoch it's referenced throughout the throughout the bible i think jesus slightly makes a reference to it uh some could debate that uh it was in that first it was in the ethiopian orthodox yes uh church so it's it's it's a very uh many people take this book seriously uh but it doesn't contradict the gospel in fact for me reading it it actually really helps me understand the spiritual war that that we're all engaged in uh very well and it helps me understand things like the flood and understanding the flood being act of mercy and out of act of harshness uh so i really think the book of enoch really helps me understand my perspective on this but when you when you think about that the book of the book of enoch and in genesis 6 it gives you a glimpse into the pre-diluvian world and a lot of things we talk about mystery conspiracy such as you and i talked earlier the megalithic structures yes uh if you don't understand what the world was like before the flood is you really have no way to make sense of some of these things and if you go into the book of enoch when it talks about the watchers who are the 200 angels overwatching earth they they descend onto the earth at mount hernan and they want to take human wives to to copulate and and make offspring which we know to be the giants nephilim uh and to take those wives they have to take human wives and they have to take human wives and they have to take human wives they have to trade a dowry to the fathers of those of those women and trade and we're they're trading technology ways of war weapons of war uh the ability to make medicines sorcery they're trading all these things including probably the ability to build these things they're getting forbidden knowledge and technology i believe that the ancient world uh in this interbreeding between man and woman i mean between uh woman and uh an angel i believe that was to go back to genesis 3 15 to to that seed war between this the the sons of the devil the sons of satan and and the offspring of the woman because jesus had a bloodline that began from the garden and if satan could uh his counter move to this was to infect that bloodline and so about a thousand years that they had this uh this intermingling between uh the angelic beings and inhumans and for about a thousand years that bloodline's getting infected so when you talk about like the flood something like the flood and think that the flood's really harsh well i don't think it was an act of mercy because uh redemption was in the bloodline through jesus and we had to protect that so god comes in and and by the way man's petitioning uh petitioning to god to to rescue them from the giants and so that flood i believe was for that when you talk about like something like noah uh being pure well noah's a human so he was he wasn't pure of sin but maybe his bloodline in the adonai boat's pure bloodline was pure and so i believe those act of mercy the flood and i believe all that sets place uh before the flood gives a picture of what that world was like and so you have things like the megalith structures that we can't explain i believe those things were created during that time well anyone who uses cozy earth will tell you the exact same thing it's been a game changer it's wild the night's getting cooler creating an extremely comfortable space on your bed and couch is a very good thing cozy earth is here to make it happen they're bubble cuddle blanket precisely what it sounds like how could you not sleep well in one of those it's really hard not to 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evidence that no one has sufficiently explained using that right model yeah and and one of my favorite people to follow in this is tim abarino he wrote a book called uh birthright it's incredible by the way everyone should read it if you're interested in this and everyone should be interested in this because it is our history you can't deny like you said that the fact that the the guys at pyramids have structures below that no one can explain uh i mean you can't you can't explain even the megalith structures in throughout america so we have to know where they come from uh we have to about to understand where they come from because if the people who built them based on radiocarbon dating we can we think we know well they're certainly ancient we know that right and so we don't believe that people who lived at the period when these were built had the technology to build what they clearly built so i've stood in front of the megalith structures of the of the of machu picchu and you stand there looking at a 300 ton rock that's carved at such precision it's like they didn't build this maybe they built stuff on top of it but they didn't build this like some primitive little mountain tribal person didn't build this there has to be a pre-existing they had help from someone and and they probably did with pre-existing technology i don't believe by the way we've and you said this uh i don't believe we've evolved i think we've devolved uh well a lot of those structures mushroom peach is a great example but the megaliths in jordan the the mounds in illinois are not the same as the megaliths in illinois like but some of the stone work we don't there are no masons today who could build it no so like what does that tell you in 2026 no with modern tools you couldn't build that right so um no one's explained any of this stuff i'm just amazed by how in curious of official institutions are in this like how can national geographic or the smithsonian like if i'm the editor of national geographic i'm i don't know i'm assigning piece after piece like how were the pyramids built how they get the stones 300 feet in the air like how did that happen no one even asks and it's considered to be wrong to ask like you said even curious and uh even in and even in a church world which you know i'm in i'm very much in very much in the christian church world it's it seems to be like pushed back against to talk about some of this stuff why i don't i don't know it's very peculiar i i i think the answer why is because it's a spiritual part of a spiritual war and an influence to don't go there we don't want to go there because there's answers there anytime anytime someone tells you you don't want to go there you don't want to go there because somebody tells you it's my experience i think probably yours too anytime it tells you somebody tells you don't go there don't ask there it's because there's an answer there well of course and and i think there's there's an answer there there's an answer in our history in the pre-diluvian world to understand how many of these things are or or you know are on this earth and and how they're they're built and i believe there was ancient technologies that that existed before the flood that the flood wiped out and we see the the megalithic structures are the remnants of that and i believe atlantis the the proverbial lost city of atlantis uh is one of those things and we and there's a lot that goes into it that suggests it's it's in the bermuda triangle region and uh and there would have been global access to that location and many uh so atlantis in myth lore history is a sunken island it's a sunken island yeah yeah and and you know it's only about but but the bimini road which is where we go to is only about 20 feet deep so it's not very sunken it's a 20 feet deep you know tides change and the world changes especially especially if you go beyond a flood right right so once the glaciers melted 14 000 years ago of course they were holding a lot of the earth's water and so sea levels rose dramatically when they melted yeah so yeah so i think and look every take christianity christianity out of it every theological theological group throughout history points to a global cataclysm yes a flood uh and and so it's not restricted to christians we all believe that that flood took place and of course gilgamesh talks about it yeah no right so so that a flood did take place and and uh and and this beyond that cataclysm uh you know our history was some of this history was erased and so uh even if you go into like greek mythology uh you know atlantis ties to greek mythology all of it kind of points the same thing i think greek metal mythology is probably a offshoot of the of the stories of the watchers and and and uh so i believe atlantis was probably a real place uh the proverbial city of atlantis was a real place i believe that it was uh occupied by angels fallen angels and i believe that there was advanced technologies that possessed that that were there and and we believe that that also there have been routes to it because any kind of major right new york city has tons of routes going in new york city so they've been routes to it and one of those routes that people believe in is is the bimini road which comes from bimini island and uh and in the bahamas in the bahamas now now people say that it's uh the dispute to it is that naturally occurring features through erosion that makes it look like it's megalithic structures under the. So as we spoke to our. In fact, Tim Ibarino had just mentioned our shadow figure on this. This was Tim Ibarino, and he tells a just beautiful. leading up to the proverbial lost city of atlantis and why he believes uh that it could have it could be in in the remeter triangle and near them the islands bahamas and so we go there to investigate and we're looking at an area that has just been uncovered so it hadn't been explored yet and uh and and we're looking for what would be things that don't naturally occur in nature right angles shimming of stone to level them off pillowing from poured stone and so these are some specific specific things that we're looking for and uh and we find some pretty right angles do not exist in nature they don't especially when they're consistently right angles you have multiple right angles making squares rectangles uh you know any geometrical patterns don't exist in nature particularly uh pillowing which would be the pouring of stone uh and when you pour stone as it settles it pillows at the bottom and then if you're taking multiple different stones and you want them to be level where you're going to put some structure underneath it to shim it to make it the same level and so those kind of things that aren't naturally occurring in nature so these are the things we're looking for we found several stones uh both on land and below the surface of the water by diving that revealed shimming pillowing and right angles and additionally uh kind of letting some of the parts of the episode out we found some drill holes that were geometrically uh consistent uh patterned drill holes and in a stone that certainly doesn't happen in nature and and and uh and also the captain and and who's lives in the area was shocked by this we had a local diver uh with us who's been diving that area their whole life and was had seen many of the uh bimini road much of the bimini road before but this new area he was he was blown away by it as well so we feel like we really found something there now uh where it goes where bimini road goes does it go to lost lost city uh we don't know but uh tim timothy alberino said it's perfect you know you don't build roads to nowhere if there's a road it's going somewhere so based on your investigation into this there's no question in your mind that this road was constructed this is not naturally occurring yeah i can't speak for all of bimini because it's like lots of stones there but the the stones that we looked at uh were certainly were certainly not naturally occurring in nature the right angles the shimming the pillowing the uh the drill holes this is not something that naturally occurs in nature and so i'm i'm i'm from what i've seen and the in the stones that we looked at those those were man-made so the average water pipe in this country is over a half century old and that means a lot of our water is not very good it's got forever chemicals antibiotics pesticides and all kinds of things in it and that's why we're excited to partner with a company that has a solution to all of this it's called 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profound like uh i don't know why like look we're we're a group of former special we're not geologists we're not archaeologists i'm not a historian we're a group of special operations guys that's super curious about this and went out looked and we found everyone be curious about it i'm totally ignorant i know i have no special knowledge of any kind really about anything but i'm just curious and i just don't understand why people who are in the business of digging up ancient ruins archaeologists or in the business of writing about those ruins historians why they're not leaping on this stuff and why they're so reflexively opposed to all of it one of the things we were joking about is what they actually care about is when they see a bunch of neanderthals flipping over flipping over rocks that they wouldn't normally have brushes at we're uh we're on the bottom ocean flipping these these rocks over uh so if your theory that um genesis 3 and the book of enoch are not just folklore but are describing physical reality if if it's if that's true if you're right then there would be there would be actual physical giants i mean that's what those accounts describe giants right men of renown i think genesis refers to men of old men of renown yeah yeah so successful the most successful people of the time were actually not fully human they were half breeds that's what the bible says that's what christianity and judaism believe as a matter of doctrine so there would be like archaeological evidence of giants right well is there every time from my research and this is something i've been very interested in and uh and and those who i've spoken to who have spent their life researching this every time there is evidence of giants it goes to the smithsonian and never be seen again um which is quite strange no they've denied it yes so that means much but do you think that's true the smithsonian has suppressed archaeological evidence for whatever reason i've spoke to several several people even beyond the physical evidence that we have today if we believe the bible and believe every part of the bible the bible talks about giants and talks about goliath yeah uh and talks about other giants in the bible so if you can't believe part of the bible and i believe all of it uh so so i believe it i believe it cover to cover so i believe giants did exist uh i believe that uh i believe the you know modern day stories are true as well i believe the i believe the giants of the giant of kandahar is a true story in fact tim marbrino interviewed the pilot in in private uh that flew flew him out so it's a first-hand testimony there so i believe for those of us who are not familiar with the the giant of kandahar kandahar afghanistan kandahar afghanistan uh there was a story you've been to afghanistan i've been to afghanistan a few times eight tours in afghanistan yeah i've been to afghanistan eight times and i went back for the evacuations and uh yeah so i have some some time in afghanistan however i didn't see any giants there but um the story of the of is is some marines getting getting this gunfight with this giant and this is in the 2000s during g what during g what and a team goes back and and actually a team goes back because these marines didn't come back out team goes back and and uh and actually uh kill this giant and and uh and it's brought into a facility and and uh and a u.s aircraft flies the with the the idea is the u.s marines fought a giant around 2001 in afghanistan around 2001 afghanistan that's that's that's the story now i haven't talked to any personally talked to any service members that were involved in that uh however there was a team went back to go in and see what happened with these marines and they ended up getting in a gunfight and kill this kill this giant uh and then this giant was flown back to the united states uh by a by u.s air force aircraft i think i think it was a c-17 aircraft if i remember correctly and tim alberino interviewed the pilot so so i've had a personal conversation really marino who interviewed the pilot and the pilot confirmed there was a dead giant has not publicly confirmed it but but uh but to tim alberino has has confirmed it and so for him to tell me that that he had this interview personal interview with the pilot that flew this giant out i believe him so i believe i believe the modern day uh there is modern day giants that exist there's some parts of the world in fact i won't say where but tim alberino and i are actually going to go investigate some uh a place that has some current uh firsthand sightings uh and it's a very very very remote part of the world and so we're going to be going uh to look more but but i do believe uh this exists and if you if you look at the nephilim uh which is the the offspring of of the giant that's been of human women and and the fallen angels uh a lot of people would bring that to the modern day sasquatch and bigfoot which you start talking about this it sounds crazy however uh no one's found bigfoot yet including us and we did two episodes two episodes and shadow figures on it and i believe that uh the reason no one's found bigfoot is because it's not some primitive ape it's actually intelligent uh ancient intelligent being and not one uh but but but a species of them that whether they're elusive uh elusive for whatever motivation they're elusive for but uh but but that's why we've not been able to spot him or see him uh you know get fuzzy videos and with that way game cameras all over right you're a hunter there's game cameras all over the world why don't we have a picture of bigfoot and i believe because it's not some just primitive ape some wild animal i was just thinking that exact same thing yeah i mean they're game cameras everywhere everywhere right why would you so that's that's what i believe that now maybe it's so segmented and so small and they're in remote parts of the world, but I do believe, uh, And again, you sound crazy for saying this, but I do believe I would have, I would have said it was crazy a few years ago, but after interviewing these, just talking to people I've talked to, uh, I believe there's something to it. And, and the Bible talks about, and it doesn't talk about it once. Like, so if, if the giants were drowned off in the flood, how'd they reappear after the flood? That's a big question. Did somebody, I mean, did somehow God make a mistake, which God does make mistakes by the way. And someone on that boat on the, on the ark was, was infected and in the bloodline was infected. I don't, I don't believe God makes mistakes. So I don't believe that's the case. Did a giant hang on to the boat for, for 40 days? I don't believe that. Was it a regional flood? Some people say it's a regional flood, not a global flood. I believe the Bible speaks to a global flood, but people debate that as well. But I believe that if there was rebellion, uh, from the watchers coming down to Mount Hernon, 200 of them, uh, and we know that rebellions happen other times in the Bible from Satan and other angels, then why couldn't happen after the flood? This is a seed war. And, uh, and so I believe that rebellion, the descending of, of angels on the earth could have happened after the flood and probably has happened after the flood and probably continues to happen because we're a spiritual, we're in a physical and spiritual world and we're a spiritual war. And part of that spiritual war is, is, uh, the descending of angels to interact with humans. Should we be on guard against this? Should we be worried about it on the look at? Yeah, of course. I mean, I mean, the Bible says for us to be on guard, right? Cause our, our enemy. The devil, the devil roars around like a pro like a roaring lion looking to devour us. Like we should be on guard every day. I mean, I think, I think one of the biggest, uh, strategies of the enemy of Satan is to, is for us to be off guard for us not to be concerned about these things for us to believe he doesn't, he doesn't exist and, and evil doesn't exist. And, uh, and, and so, you know, what, what better way to take advantage of your phone and, uh, not even know you're, you're, you're, you're, there's a threat. I think close, close watchers of the world are pretty convinced that evil exists. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, but people are naive, uh, people are naive to the, to the threat. And look, you, you cannot believe you're in a spiritual war. I mean, certainly can I believe it? Most people don't, uh, but we are, you cannot believe there's oxygen in this room. We're breathing it. We're in a spiritual war and, uh, and there is a real enemy, Satan. And it began in the garden and it's here today. And it may sound like a fairytale lore to, to, to people, but it's real. Uh, and like you said, you could turn on whatever news station you want to turn on and, uh, and just scroll or scroll your feet on your social media and you're going to see the world is in, in, you know, it's, it's, it's a broken place. It's a broken place. Uh, not because of people, because the influence of the spiritual war and the spirit that we're all engaged in. And so, yeah, certainly we have to be, be on alert. Was JFK killed by a lone gunman? Is CIA remote viewing real? Is it really possible? We're putting conspiracy theories to the test to see if they're really theories at all. Shadow Figures takes some of the world's most famous mysteries and recreates them to see if the official narrative is true. A team of elite operations veterans put the magic bullet theory to the test. And how did the Malaysian airliner vanish in 2014? Experts analyzed whistleblower footage and they recreate the explosion some say brought it down. And is it possible that Atlantis was a real place? Can psychics actually see? What's going on in real time from the other side of the world? Meet Project Stargate's first recruit to learn about efforts to train potential psychic spies. So it's time we find out for certain. Our new series, Shadow Figures, at TuckerCarlson.com. Does it scare you personally? It scares me for, for the world. As a, as a believer who's really reconciled a lot of this, it doesn't. Because I know the end of the story, right? I know the end of Genesis, I know the end of Genesis 15 is that we're going to crush it. The head of the serpent. And in the end of the book, right, we win. But that's a, but that's a happy ending. But there's a lot of pain that happens in the process of that in a war, right? There's a lot of casualties of war. Any war you look at, there's a lot of, there's a lot of casualties of war. And right now we're seeing a world in the casualty of war. So it burns my heart for, for everyone who's not aware that we're in this war. Who doesn't take part in the victory in the end by. One of the manifestations of spiritual war appears to be war. For sure. For certain. Yeah. Turning, turning. A brethren against brethren, nation against nation. And we killing each other. Look at me. We were talking about Ukraine today and I spent tremendous amount of time, both Afghanistan and Ukraine. And, you know, one of the most horrible things I've seen in my lifetime has been the civilian deaths in Ukraine by a war out of greed from politicians around the world. And certainly influenced by evil, by spiritual evil. And I would, I would guess 2 million people in Ukraine. 2 million? I would guess 2 million people between, you know, Russia and Ukraine that have died in this war, uh, over the greed of people because of the influence, uh, because of the spiritual influences on them. Um. Do you think that's a, wow, you think it's a real number? 2 million? I, I think so. Yeah. No, we were never going to know for sure. No. They don't, they don't got to tell us. Uh, but, but I, I do believe that's probably the, the most accurate, accurate estimate. And look at the period of time. This is four years. Yeah. Almost five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That 2 million people would be killed. And no one seems to know or care. No one cares. And if you ask even partisans on any side of it, like how many people have died, they're, they're, they're not even, they can't be bothered to find out. No. They just don't care. Because if you admit that number, you have to, then you have to address it, right? Yeah. Particularly if you're a politician. Yeah. And if you've been pushing this stuff and if you don't care at all about the slaughter of people, then, you know, you sort of reveal who you are. How much time have you spent in, in war zones? Well, I've, I've been to Afghanistan eight times. I was, you know, I was a force recovery. And I was, I was a DOD contractor. I went to a, what's called a JSOC task force. And so I went to Afghanistan eight times in that capacity. And I've, I've been to, outside of that, I've probably been to 20 trips to different, uh, conflicted zones around the world, uh, doing humanitarian rescue operations. How much did that damage you? Well, I mean, when I came home from Afghanistan, I've, like many of our service members today, I dealt with debilitating panic attacks, anxiety, depression. Uh, you know, I, I, I had a point in 2010 to where I was dealing with such debilitating panic attacks that I, I had to attempt to take my life. Um, you know, I was extremely, extremely depressed, uh, felt like I had no purpose moving forward and, um, and came to this point of hopelessness that, you know, made my, made my family be sad without me, but they'd be better off. And unfortunately, that same hopeless thought finds a home in the hearts of over 20. We, the, the number 20, by the way, is totally bogus. Uh, we don't know what the number is. The VA says 17, but they don't count jumps. Car crashes or overdoses, which is, uh, the VA grades on report card, uh, on that. But, uh, and independent reports will say 50, uh, veterans take their lives a day. I don't know what the number is, but one is too many. And, uh, and, you know, it's, it's, it's the same thought that I had that made my family, made my loved ones, maybe the world be sad without me, but they'll be better off. And, and, uh, and make a very permanent decision to temporary problems and, uh, take their lives. And, and, and even outside the veteran community, it's a, it's the world. I think you've, you've wanted to be one of the only people I've ever heard say before that we're. In a suicide epidemic of, of proportions that the world's never seen before. And no one talks about it. And, uh, and so. There's nothing sadder than suicide. There's, there's nothing. I mean, it leaves a wake of destruction. They say one in three children were apparent to commit suicide or do it as well. So it's a generation, generational thing. And you see that. I've seen that. Yeah. And so, you know, um, for me, you know, I, there's a lot of things that did in my own recovery, uh, after my suicide attempt. Uh, but nothing has been more profound for me than restoration of my faith through a relationship with Jesus. And, uh, you met Steve Toth. You've had him on your show. Um, Steve Toth, um, sat across from me, just like we're sitting across now. And I had written a plan of how to fix my life. I slid it over to him. He didn't even read it because he's really impatient, man. And he just told me, he said, uh, this plan doesn't have anything to do with relationship with Christ. I'm not going to help waste your time. I'm not going to let you waste mine. And in that moment, I tried everything. I've been on medications. I've been through counseling. I've been through all these different things. And even had rebounded professionally successfully. I started, went back to my, you know, kind of, uh, I've been a martial artist since I was five years old. I went back to just fighting full time and teaching Jiu Jitsu. And I was very successful in that three years I came home. But all those things that I did, nothing had, uh, helped me get well. And so I knew I tried everything and nothing had worked. So we have a saying at my foundation now of what you're doing isn't working. Why not try something different? And so in that moment, I made a decision to just surrender my life to Jesus. Didn't even really know what it meant. But beyond the decision for about a year, Steve Toth discipled me. And, uh, and, and led me to a place of realization of, uh, of finding restoration, finding hope and finding purpose. Moving forward and I purposefully manifested for me and God just put a deep burden on my heart to help others. And, uh, and I think we talked about it earlier, but I, I, uh, that burdened me to, to help others and pay that forward. And that manifested in the founding of Mighty Oaks Foundation in 2011. And, uh, since then, you know, God's just really blessed the organization. We've been able to serve about 800,000 active duty service members between 700, 800,000 active duty service members in our resiliency program. And, uh, we have a recovery program for, for active duty service members, veterans, first responders, and their families. And we do about, I think this year we'll do about $10 million a year in programming for free to all of those groups, including travel. And, uh, and it's just been amazing to just, uh, you know, the story of Mighty Oaks is I fell down, someone helped me. I turned around and helped the next person, the next person helped the next person. And for 16 years, it's been going on and, and, uh, thousands and thousands of lives have been impacted. And, uh, it's been, it's been an amazing thing to be part of. How do you save someone from himself? Um, I think, I think when we deal with people that are, cause most of the, you, you know, the perfect, it's, it's very self-destructive tendencies. Uh, it. because of shame, guilt, sense of abandonment, sense of failure, all these different things that people deal with, you have to save them from themselves. And I think the biggest thing is on a peer level, coming on a peer level and being able to connect with someone on a peer level. Peer level support is, there's nothing like it. Anybody that's dealt with addictions knows that only an addict can help an addict, right? And in the veteran community, therapists or a counselor, while they're great and they have their purpose, nothing replaces another veteran. So another veteran being, hey, I know where you are right now because I am you. I was there. And I know I haven't figured out yet, but I know the direction I'm heading and I can help you come along with me and we can do it together. There's nothing that replaces that. And so being able to sit across from someone on a peer level and help them and lead them to taking responsibility for themselves, because most of us, even those of us who don't think we're victims, because I would never. Label myself as a victim. But when you really look at these situations, most of the time we put ourselves in a state of victim hood. We're like, I'm behaving this way because this happened to me. This person did this to me. This circumstance did this to me. And so even though something else or another person or external circumstances, maybe 99% of the problem, if you own 1% of it, you can own 100% of that 1% and take responsibility for your situation and make a decision to move forward. And again, that happens best on a peer level. There's nothing that a therapist or counselor or spouse could tell one of these veterans struggling in a way that one of our team leaders at Mighty Oaks on a peer level could tell them, and it's worked. I mean, and people have really been kind of blown away, especially military leaders of what we do at Mighty Oaks, how it works so well. Like, what are you guys doing that's so special? And what do you do in the six days that we have in our initial intensive? And it's like, it's not really six days or seven days, but it's six days that we have in our initial intensive. And it's like, it's not really six days or seven days that we have in our initial intensive. And it's not really six days or seven days that we have in our initial intensive. And it's like, it's not really six days or seven days or six months or it's one moment, the moment that a man or woman makes the decision to get out of their own way and align their life to live their life the way they were created to live. And that moment happens and this epiphany goes off. And then beyond that goes discipleship and teaching them how to live that out. And that's where we bring the table for them. It's just amazing to watch happen. But yeah, it goes back to saving them from themselves, to lead them to take responsibility and align their lives, which I believe the way to align your lives biblically, the way you were created to live. And we, by the way, Mighty Oaks is a Christian program, but it's not really a evangelical program, but half the people that come to Mighty Oaks are not Christians. A lot of them are agnostic. We've been at Satanist come to our program. We have all kinds of people come to our program, but we, regardless of where they are, we teach them how to live the way we believe that the Bible intended us to live. And so we teach them biblical principles of living and the result of that has been evangelical because many of them realize, well, that's a much better way of living their lives with that. We had, we had this amazing story of this, where this guy show up, someone sent him there. He didn't really know what he was getting into. He gets there. We're giving the brief and they realize this is a Christian program. And he comes to us at the end. He says, he goes, Hey, like, I didn't realize this was a Christian program. It's probably not the place for me. He's got six, six, six tattoos across his neck, another satanic tattoo on his arm. He's like, he's like, Hey, we were just like, Hey, you don't have to believe what we believe. We you're more than welcome. We'd love you to stay here. You can have a great time. Like we're not going to preach you all week. He's like, no, I do believe what you believe. I'm just an opposite team. It's a satanic church. And how was that working for him? He stayed. Well, it wasn't, it obviously wasn't working well for him because he was at our program. Right. But, but he stayed. And at the end of the week, not a lot of success stories. Well, it's a success at the end because he gives his life to Christ. And now he's a missionary doing missionary work in Africa somewhere. Really? Yeah. So it's like, he didn't come for the evangelical side of it, but when you realize my life's a mess, but there is actually a handbook. I just haven't read it and applied to my life when I do, work out better. So these are all people who have worked for the U S government at one point. Yeah. Well, I mean, we do first responders as well. So local government as well. Yeah. And they've all been gravely damaged by it. And the government's local and federal had no real answer. And I've been, I've been, I've been on the Hill quite some time, you know, and, and, uh, at the VA and, you know, it's still this day I've done, I've done so much with the VA and, uh, even was the chairman of office faith-based programs for better affairs under president Trump. And, and they still have not. Not conceded to, to making programs like mighty Oaks available, uh, institutionally through the government. They use us, but they won't make it. Well, they definitely use you. Um, it's been 20 years since people started saying out loud, Hey, the VA, when you show up at the VA and you're damaged physically or psychologically from serving your country in a war zone, they just hand you a blood test. And they're still doing it. They're still doing it. Look, when a, when a veteran comes and expresses symptoms of like anxiety, depression, uh, like they don't even, they don't do a simple blood work test to see if their, their cortisol levels were spiked in their home and their hormones level pushed down. The testosterone is pushed down. They just automatically give them SSRI. It could be a very temporary thing that could be solved if they just look at the blood work, but they just instant SSRI. And by the way, when you get put on an SSRI, unless you choose at some point to have intervention into that, the process it's for life. Like you don't just get off of an SSRI after you've been on it for a period of time. You have to, I mean, it takes quite some time to about to wean yourself off of an SSRI. It's so mind altering or, uh, altering to your, your, your body, your system. So it's, and we don't even have guidelines yet from HHS on weaning from SSRIs. They've, there's been basically, I mean, there are people now, uh, one of whom's a good friend of mine who are working on that, but we still don't have them. And it's been, I don't know, it's been 30 years, at least that we've known that SSRIs have horrible side effects. When I got off and I weaned off for about a year, it took another year before my, I would feel like my brain was vibrating. How long were you on them? Probably like 10 years. What were the side effects? Yeah. I mean, this, I think the side effects were numbing. Like I felt very emotionally numb and I would really be in conflict with this because I'm, I'm, I'm always been a very like compassionate person, have empathy and compassion. I felt like just numb, uh, all the time. You felt less empathy and compassion for other people? Very much so. Yeah. Really? Yeah. And you noticed it? I noticed it. Yeah. It's very much out of character for me. And I, and when I say what, 10 years, like I was on and off, I get off, I get off and I, and I, and I feel like I had to go back on because I'd have, you know, feel anxiety ramping up and, and I was terrified of panic attacks. Uh, so, so the fear of panic attacks would push me back on. And, and so eventually, you know, I was able to finally get off, but even as, after I was completely off for like a year, I still felt this vibrating like a, my, like my brain was vibrating, uh, from, and what's, I, I attributed to a symptom of getting off SSRIs. And this is pretty common that people talk about the same type of physiological feeling. If SSRIs worked, the suicide rate would be going down. But they don't, they, I think they go up. Right. In fact, one of the warnings on the SSRI, SSRIs is it increases suicide ideations. So if this is a drug that we give people who are suicidal, but it increases the chance they'll kill themselves. Like, what is that? What's the point? Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, speaking of government misdeeds, I want to end on this because I think it's really, really interesting. So there have been, I mean, for my whole life in journalism, 35 years, I've gotten letters from people I assumed were schizophrenics saying something. They all say the same thing. The government is sending me messages in my brain and telling me what to think. And I've never one time taken that seriously. It's my favorite episode on Shadow. Should I take it seriously? You absolutely should. So in episode seven of Shadow Figures, as you make the, we're making this show, I thought, I looked at what we're doing and I'm like, this is the one that I'm like, we're going to waste money and waste time at doing this. And it was the most compelling like thing to me personally at the show. So we looked at a Project Bluebeam scenario, which Project Bluebeam would be deceiving mankind into maybe like a fake alien invasion or something. I had to bring everyone together to gain control of a population of people. And so there's many things that many scenarios. So we, what's one thing that we could test to see if we could do and see, let's test to see if we could put voices into people's minds. And so we got this sound expert to come on this show as our shadow figure. Well, he's, he came on as a subject matter expert and, and, and he had radio shack level equipment, not a government budget. And we built a ultrasonic sound laser and to put voices into your mind. Just like if you ever use the shock, like bone connecting devices without the physical touch there, it would be done through a sound wave. And so you could do one person because you could point to one person, two people, three, a group of people. You could do whatever you could, but so for the experiment, we want to bring in people that we thought we would be hard to deceive. So we brought in two police officers and we told them that they would do what we're doing a telepathy experiment. So we lied to them. They thought, but they believed we were doing a telepathy experiment. We wanted to see if we could convince them that we were actually doing telepathy, but we're using mechanical, a mechanical, weapon, sound weapon. And so we were able to convince them of that, both, uh, of that. And, and what did you do? So we, we, uh, we put them in a separate room and we, we made, we had them writing down between them, uh, a thought, and then we would, uh, we would tell them what that thought was because we had someone witnessing it that we were communicating through the sound, the sound too. And then we, and then once we convinced them of that, then we put them, we put them in the, in this chair with their partner next to them so that the partner could see that nothing was strange was happening. And we shot the laser. at them so we had this one female police officer we shot the laser at her talking to her but our partner couldn't hear it so he's like i don't hear anything she's like i hear something you hear that and he's like i don't hear anything and she's like am i crazy she was i mean it made me feel bad because we actually freaked her out pretty bad and so we were able to talk to communicate with her and it's just it feels like it's in your mind i had it done to me when we did it it feels like it's in your mind and now you could also do your own voice i can record your voice i got your voice everywhere your voice you know tucker carlson's voice is everywhere on the internet i could take your voice put it in a system and and program the words and in your own voice put in your head or i can make a voice of god and and and now you're hearing this maybe one time maybe over every day we give little whispers and convince you somebody like you if we could really convince you you have a big audience you're affluent like we could really sway a population by controlling voices or putting the voices in your head what are the mechanics of it so it's it's it's a high frequency uh couldn't get the specifics but it's a high frequency ultrasonic uh kind of laser that shoots out this uh ultrasonic sound and it's vibration so it comes out so much imagine that shock uh bone conductor yes that vibrates but it's actually doing it through the the sound so vibration that sound so it works the same way but you're not hearing it through ears you're hearing it inside your head okay so you don't perceive it as a voice you perceive it as something that's taking place inside your head inside your head yeah so it's not like you turn to find out where it came from no no no it's not like that it kind of like it almost feels audible because you hear it audibly but you hear it audibly in your head uh not in not through your ear canal because it's not coming through your canal it's coming through at what distance can you do this uh he you could do it at least he said with the equipment we had we could do at least 200 yards we were doing it at 200 yards yeah we were doing it we were doing at about 25 yards in the tests but he said with his equipment you could do it like now now again video shack level equipment imagine what a government could do does the government use this of course they do if we if we were able to do it of course they they have the ability to do that i have no evidence of that um but why wouldn't we at first i was at first i was like this this is incredible and then i thought for a second i'm like this is terrifying the level of influence that you could have over an individual or a group of people or mass group of people they don't have to do that it's it's terrifying well yeah it's one thing to convince someone it's another thing to control someone to the point where he thinks he thought of it himself yeah like that's true conviction make someone go crazy you could drive someone nuts doing this and then you they'd write me letters my text is public so it's like they probably text me all the time yeah so yeah it was of all the episodes we've done uh that one that's our episode seven which you know we call it project blue beam episode it was it was so you're doing all these every single story that you investigate but we don't have conclusive answers to any of this do you think that at some point we will do you think that in the end this will all be revealed like what's your personal view of that well i mean i think in end of the age you know beyond this life everything will be revealed to us but uh in our lifetime on this earth i don't think so i think this could be you know there's so much obstruction to truth uh i think there's there's many things that we we're going to continue to be hidden to us uh from us to the end of this age um i certainly want to keep digging uh we we did we did shadow figures uh it's our first first season there's so much more i want to do i want to go you know to turkey and look at the megalithic sites there i want to go to egypt and in antarctica and and uh i want to find out there's no wall in antarctica i want to what's the black pyramid there's so many things i want to do there's a black pyramid in antarctica yes it's uh it's it's it looks like the tip of this pyramid it's uh and and it's in well this is on google maps what's that this is on google maps i think you can look it up yeah you can look it up and and it's uh it's what it is no one's allowed to go there so we want to go there says who says all the i mean there's multiple governments of the world control antarctica and prohibit permission to go there why no one knows but why you know why can't we go who cares if you go across a piece of ice yeah what are they gonna do about it what's in antarctica that that uh what's in in antarctica that again back to your where i said earlier if somebody's trying to stop you from access something it's probably because there's some answers there and uh well certainly the truth is the only thing that ever gets suppressed that's right they don't care about misinformation they care about information yeah so i i i mean the black pyramid has other things in antarctica i'd love to see i mean the guys at pyramids have so many mysteries to them there's there's a lot that that uh that doing this season i mean each each of these episodes we don't have any we don't come just a spoiler alert we don't get a conclusive evidence of anything in these episodes we test a theory each one and so there's lots of unanswered questions and uh and i certainly want to you know want those answers man chad thank you for doing this thanks for the episodes and thank you for this conversation oh thanks so much checker thanks for thanks for partnering with us and this is amazing amazing to get this out to the people i am curious and i and i just want to keep reminding myself and say out loud i don't know the answer to any question really or many questions but i think it's worth pursuing the truth regardless that's right thank you thank you