Jessi Draper on SLOMW Season 5 Drama, Dating After Divorce & MomTok Fallout... | Just Trish Ep. 311

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We have just the bombshell of season five, secret lives of Mornrives, Jesse. - Hiya. - Hiya. - So excited to be here. - Welcome! - We've just been chatting before, so I just feel like we're all friends now. - Yeah, I know. - This is great. - Save, oh my gosh, thank you so much. You literally are here for like two days. - Yeah. - And you're like squeezing a bunch of podcasts. We're not a bunch, but a lot of podcasts and squeeze our asses. - You're my first. - So, we've been talking about you all the time. - Yes, we've been talking about you as like, our dream guest for months, actually. - Oh my gosh. - Yes. - Even for color daddy, I was like, we need to, and then you guys are, I was like, we lost her, you guys know, when you messaged me and you were like, I need you on and I was like, is this happening? - Like I was like, are you kidding me? - But then you did the color daddy of it. - Yes. - You just blew up so big and we're just like, we're never gonna get our asses, so I'm so excited. - No, we got you. - I always, anytime you need me, please, call me. - That's a good one. - Yeah. - I was like, I'm coming up to Utah, so you know what I'm like, I'm literally gonna come get my hair done. - No, but please come visit me when you come. Like seriously. - Are you working in that salon still? - Not really, it is so hard, you know, being a working mom. It is hard, but also in my career now, I've progressed to the point where my business, it's been 10 years, now I'm more behind the scenes, like running things, and the operations, rather than taking clients, but I still do some of the girls and friends and family for fun. But now when I do hair, it's fun. So I love that, 'cause I'm like, this is just like a hobby now. - Yeah, you get to go away, and your mom works there. - Yes, my mom does hair full time. She is like, hustlin'. - So she's there, so if you go into the salon, you're gonna see me. - You'll see my mom, Thomas Stiles, she's like the first station by the window. Like she loves it. - I love it. - I love it, all the time influence her now, too. I see my mom up so much. - I know. People sometimes don't realize that's my mom. Like, it's fun. - You guys are like identical. - For me, I was like, it's just Jessie. - Yeah. - It's just like, you guys look very much alike. - Yeah, we do. - Oh my gosh, okay, so the new season just aired. - Yeah. - Season five. - How are you feeling? - I'm like, did it? Like, I think Hulu actually, like, don't watch that. - Okay. - Do you watch it, but like, it's embarrassing. - Do you watch it? - Yes, I do. Some of them, like, the girls on my cast are like, I don't watch what we do. And I'm like, for me, I put so much time and effort into this. I wanna see how it comes together. And then when you do press, you need to know how it comes together. So I do watch it. And I always have, like, little watch parties with my friends and family, which is fun. - Oh, I love fun. - They're super supportive. But yeah, this season was different. Like, it was embarrassing. It was dark, it was heavy. Like, let's just call it what it is. And it was only five episodes, so it feels a little different than how seasons, but it's our real lives. And I'm grateful that people are interested, but it was a different season. - So when you're watching it, 'cause obviously you live through it, when you're watching it, it doesn't bring you back, or can you look at it through a different landscape? It wasn't that serious, or it was like, oh, it was more serious than I thought. - Okay, so this is the weirdest thing about doing reality TV. Is filming it is such a different experience than watching it back? Because I watch it back. We were just talking about this with like your book. I'm like, do you have a poster syndrome? Like, do you think people will wanna read your life? 'Cause I watch our show back, and I'm like, why does anyone care? Like, for me, this is our friend group. This is our normal life, and I'm like, do people really care what we do? And then people are so obsessed, and they watch it, and I'm like, wait, really? Like, I can't watch it 'cause I'm so biased, you know? And I know the behind the scenes of like, oh, that scene was three hours long, and then obviously for TV, it has to be cut down. So I can't watch it without knowing everything that happened. And so for me, it's really hard to watch being like, wait, that was cut out, and that was cut out, and yeah. - Well, you're executive producers on this season, so you get a final save, like, wait a minute, like, leave that in, or? - No, we don't get to see anything, we get to see it sometimes a few days early. But we don't get to say in the edit, but I will say our production is so great, and like Hulu as well, about like, if something, like, let's say I filmed something that I then felt really weird about, I could go to them and be like, hey guys, can we like, maybe talk about this, and I know they would work with us. - Oh, wow. - So I feel like we have such a good relationship with them that they would respect that, especially as EPs. - For sure. - So no one is surprised when they see these fights on TV. You're like, oh, yeah, we did film that, we know that's going out there. - Oh, for sure. Like, we all knew the housewarming party was gonna be explosive, the street fight. We all knew those scenes were gonna make it, for sure. - Those two specifically, you're kind of at the epicenter, which is kind of crazy, you're kind of like, in the best way, like, at the center of the mess, you know, and what's to come, the foreshadowing, right? Because, but in between February to like, even March, even with you, with colored, my life. - 280, oh, for 180. - Well, I keep saying how ironic is it that the five months cameras were down are the five months the most that has ever happened, in all of our lives, like, it was crazy. So we didn't feel like we got a break because our lives were so crazy. - So you, okay, so that's what happened. So season four comes, that's when you did the color daddy, is it the start of season four, when I'm weird? - Oh, yes, you're right. So, okay, you want to know something crazy. So season four aired March 12th, I left Jordan March 13th. And that was not intentional, it just happened. - And he filed first. - Yes, I left him, and then he found out, I was doing call her daddy. - So he did not know I was doing call her daddy. And I went to do it, he found out, so he filed to get the news out there before I broke it on call her daddy. And so I found out through TMZ that he filed. I got a text from them, and I was like, oh, they're like, you're filed for divorce, and I was like, what? 'Cause I was gonna file, and I was like, damn. And then I just recently found out that I was recording call her daddy, and he was behind the scenes trying to get the address of the studio to serve me with a restraining order while I was recording. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - And luckily, but I just found that out recently, and I was like, damn, that would have been explosive. - Oh my god, that like gives me chills. - Yeah, it was pretty wild. - 'Cause how long were you as married? - It was about six years. - Yeah. - Actually, our wedding anniversary was March 16th. So I left him three days before our six year anniversary. - Oh my god. - Bittersweet. - Were you, obviously you were gonna leave him, but were you shocked by those court, that course of action? It's like call her daddy file. - Oh my gosh, like this is how you know that the universe is like a thing, like it's crazy. So I was actually, while we were filing for divorce, I was looking through all my old paperwork. So I left him on March 13th. The day we signed our prenup in 2020, it was March 13th. So like, isn't that weird? - Oh my god. - So it is, yeah. - So like everything happened the way it was supposed to for a reason our anniversary's March 16th, the show came out March 12th. Like when I tell you like that was not planned, I can't believe it all happened that way. I got call her daddy within a week. I did not think that was gonna happen. Like I was shocked and you know, looking back, I'm like, you know, obviously he wasn't super happy. I did call her daddy and I feel bad to an extent, but at the same time I wanted to share my truth. And we also agreed to share our lives with the audience. So like I had to, people were gonna be curious and it was my time to speak. So yeah, I feel even today coming here, because we were like, I don't know if she's gonna wanna like talk about the stuff and you're like, no, I need to like say my piece about the stuff, which I think is like really admirable. And I think that's what people like about all of you guys. Really, it's just like the authenticity because a lot of people will do reality shows and then be like, we need privacy and it's like, well, we need some answer, right, Zena? You're like, you have bathroom camera. You have cameras in your house. Like, and you need privacy now? Come on, no, and I do appreciate that 'cause people are so invested specifically in the women of the show obviously. Obviously we saw dad talk trying to happen in season four and that didn't happen. And now we don't see Jordan at all in season. Is that whose choice was that? Was it executive producer choices or? I think it was a little bit of fault to be honest. Like, we all saw the comments. Like, everyone involved in secret lives. We actually do value what the audience says. So the fact that everyone's like, less dad talk. We were like, okay, but also so much happened in season five and we only have five episodes. It was almost like there was no time for anything else. But also like me and Jordan did go into season five intentionally being like, we're working on our marriage. Seasons three and four were heavy for our marriage. So let's try to like not expose what we're going through right now because clearly we were on the brink of divorce. And so it was a conscious decision for both of us to be like, we're not going to share anything about our marriage this season because we don't know where it's going to end up. So I think it was like a combination of both of us. Yes. So when you were filming, you weren't prepared to leave yet. You weren't like, were you? No, I knew it was going to happen eventually. Like, I could feel it. It was coming, but like, it wasn't like a discussion where we were like, hey, we're getting divorced soon. Like, when I left him, I think he was like, oh, but like, he, we both knew it was coming. It was just a matter of what. I'm just saying you're done like in your conversations together to this past season, it's almost seemed like co-workers. Like, here we are. We have to film together, but like, there's no spark or anything. I feel like you have more of a spark finding out that chase that you were hot. Oh my god. I'm so embarrassed about that. Let's talk about that, right? I was so embarrassed about that. I mean, he had enough the captions right there too. Okay, give the editors a raise. Like, I know that wasn't my expense, but it was so funny when I thought, yeah, I mean, it was funny to have humor. Like, I have to be self-deprecating about this because what an idiot. Like, I get the biggest loser award this season. They're like, well, I don't think the biggest loser is that a couple of ways to come up. There's a couple of ways to come up. - Again, you're self-awareness. They're self-awareness and also the accountability. We were talking about that earlier too. It was like, there's people who are self-aware, but just are like, I'm just a piece of sh-- - Yeah. - So you're a self-aware and you're like, "Let me figure out how to change this." - Oh, I'm trying, yeah. - Like I'm self-aware and I'm trying to be better. But like, let's be honest, we're all in reality 'cause we're messy. So like, we're trying to work through it and heal, but it takes while. - But also real, I think the majority of you is, people just relate to you guys. 'Cause obviously that, you know, everyone is messy in real life like that, which is crazy. So yeah, that scene where they show, it's Chase and Marciano. - Yeah. - And they're like, Jesse's, like, what did he say? - There was a almost future makeup buddy. - Future makeup buddy. - And then, like, future friends with benefits. Which when we watch, he's like, I'm your boyfriend. Not future friends with benefits. Which is crazy, is he, I don't know, he's out there. - He's out there. - Oh my God. I know, he, last minute, they were like, 'cause we had a list of people coming in and they're like, Marciano and I was like, (laughs) - He's too hairy. - Very hairy. - Well, I see. - And I was like, oh my God, you are so tiny, you're like abs. I was like, oh my God, you look like a fitness trainer. - It's just stress. - It's just stress. - Like, it's just, I don't eat some stress. - It's working, it's glowing everywhere. And then I saw Marciano, he's huge and gross. - I know. - And you're just like, wow, they both are just very beautiful humans, which is so wild. Would you, so you're not, like, scared of marriage. Would you ever get married again? - Okay, so I keep telling him and like, also like, watch this play back in a year and I'm like married. But like, I'm divorced twice now. So like, I'm a little traumatized by the legal aspect of it. So I keep telling him, I'm like, if we get married, like, we can have a party, we can have a wedding. Like, I'll have a ring. We can do the whole thing. I don't know if I want to legally get married though, because I've been married twice now. And like, I love the idea of marriage, but with everything I have to lose, like, I'm scared. So I don't know, like, I'm obviously fresh off divorced, that could change, but as of right now, I'm like, I'll do a legal partnership. We can be married, but like, I'm scared to make it official. - Officially, yeah. - 'Cause you didn't have to pre-nep with-- - I did. - To pre-nep with both of my mirror. - Wow. - Actually, sorry. No, I didn't. My first one I didn't have one, and that sucked. Second one I did, but like, still, I have so much to lose and with like, how my business has grown. Like, even if you have a pre-nep, you still end up having to like, sacrifice a little bit. - Okay, something. - Yeah. Were you happy with your last divorce? - The first or second. - The first or second, yeah. - You were scared to lose stuff. - I was scared. - Are you good, are you in the clear? - So you know what's funny is, I actually, we just recently, like, as in a few days ago, finalized everything, and we are gonna be officially divorced within a week or two, which was a lot quicker than I was anticipating, and I am happy with what we ended on. I think we both feel good about it, and it has been very contentious. Like, I'm not gonna lie, it's been up and down. You may see more of that play out in the future, but it's been hard for me, and I feel like now, we kind of agreed to like, okay, let's put our egos aside. Let's finish this and be better for our kids. So I'm like, actually, really hoping now, like, a really peaceful, co-parenting relationship. So, like, let's hope. - And people wanna see that, I think too. - I do, like, you know, good to come for you. - For sure. - That's okay, so, okay, I like that your help was romantic. That you, like, ended one, and you're like, I'm going into the neck, but I think it's great. - I think it's like love is like, you just gotta go for it. - I am a forever girl, I feel. - Yeah, you thrive in partnership. - Yes, I do, yeah. - When your mom makes them. - Yeah, my family loves him, which is shocking, because when I first started dating him, me and my mom got into yelling matches over it. Like, screaming. Like, me and my sisters were fighting, my mom. They were like, what are you doing? He lied about you, and this is crazy. And, obviously, I understood that, but I was like, please just get to know him. - Yeah. - And they did, and they are now telling me, like, don't break his heart. Like, they love him, so. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I just think it's so sweetie, 'cause you know, yeah. - He's a sweetie boy. - And this season, though, like, we see you, so, like, I don't even want him around. - I know! - Oh, yeah, yeah. - What was the switch, where it was, like, actually, I want to be with him all the time. - I know, and now I'm like, obsessed with him. - Oh, yeah, this season, yeah, you want nothing to do with him. What was the switch? - I'm so glad I'm getting a chance to talk about this, 'cause watching it back, what I've realized is, at that time, I was trying to work on my marriage. I was trying to prove my loyalty and, like, make Jordan happy. And so, at the time when Chase was bringing Martiana around, that, obviously, was such a big trigger in my marriage. So, I was really trying to, like, defend my ex-husband and be like, no, this is bad for us. Like, kind of show my ex that, like, I'm fighting for us, right? - Yeah. - And I also knew that, like, if I didn't do that, and this trigger was around, I was gonna hear about it at home. Like, I had to do that. And so, I think I overcompensated and went really hard, because I was trying so hard to make my marriage work. And it, obviously, wasn't. So, I think it was a lot of projection. And then, ended up the way it did. But I just think that I was really trying and then it was inevitable that it ended. So, is any of that, like, is that all real? Like, Chase and him being friends is all real. So, it's not like they're doing that to, like, instigate something. - No, I think that Chase actually really enjoyed Marciano when he had met him, like, they went to the villa together last year on Vanderpump. And now, like, talking to Chase, he's like, I love Marciano. Like, I just liked being around him. Like, so, I think that's really just what it was. - Oh, like, okay, and Chase. - Yeah. - What's up with Chase? How come everyone is obsessed with Chase on the show? - No, I don't know what the audience is. - I don't know what the show is very. - Okay, here's the thing about Chase. Like, he obviously has his moments. But he actually is, like, a really good friend. Like, the reason I did what I did was because when you're vulnerable with Chase, he's very gentle and he hears you and he's a good friend. And, like, when I was confiding in him about my separation, Mom Talk was falling apart. Like, all the girls were a little distant from each other. I didn't feel like I had many people to lean on 'cause it was such a weird vibe. So, I leaned on him, which was stupid. And I will say, Chase is very understanding. He gives really good advice. So, if you ever opened up to Chase, you would understand. He's just very understanding. And so, then you get drunk and you kiss him. And don't, don't do it. - Okay, so don't do it, isn't it? Oh, no, that one I can't say. Please don't, don't do it anyway. It was the biggest regret of my life, like, honestly. - Really? - Yeah. - Okay, 'cause we saw in this season, you'd be like, why would you do that? Why would you do that? And then it's like-- - And then I did that, I know. - It's so bad. - Okay, well, at least you can admit that was so bad. - I was in such a vulnerable, like, I dressed like Jordan, it's not an excuse, but I was in such a weird headspace. Like, I should have just stayed away from alcohol and any men. - Yeah. - Okay, that's a good, a real love and job. - If you're going through a divorce, stay away from those two things, please. - And then seeing it, though, this season, he was so ready for you to leave Jordan, though. There's not like, kind of, give you more context too. I was like, oh, he was like, into me, so that makes sense why it ended up happening. For me, I'm like, okay, it doesn't feel so random anymore, 'cause he had this idea in his head the whole time, even when you were married. - Yeah, yeah, I actually forgot about that. And watching him back, I was like, oh, I forgot he said that. But when it happened, I was like, chase likes every girl. Like, I didn't take it seriously. I'm like, that's not news. And also, I was married, so at the time, I didn't take it seriously. Now, looking back, I was like, oh, okay. - It makes a little bit more sense. - Yeah, when you got called out on Twitter, 'cause it by May C. - Maria. - Maria. - Maria was like, the M's, the M's. - There's three of us. - Maria M's, okay, Maria M's, when she called you out, what did you, how did you feel? Was your initial reaction? - Oh, so justified. I mean, I think that Miranda should say everything she feels about that situation. Like, we wronged her. Like, I will never be like, how dare she, because I really hurt her. And also my friend Kate, who was dating Chase for two years on and off. Like, she was my childhood friend. Like, I felt awful, but I did that to both of them. Like, seriously, so, like, the worst thing I've ever done. - Was Chase single the time, was he with Kate? - When he was single, he was single. Like, they've been on and off, but still, like, he met a lot to both of them. And, yeah, whatever Miranda said or posted, like, was totally justified. So, yeah, I don't blame her for anything. Like, she needs to stand up for herself more in those situations. - I mean, I do love that. He was, like, was a front row at her show. Was it this much of that little festival? And I do love her song, I feel for that. - It's so catchy. - Kind of everything. - It's always in my head. - Yeah, and she's so talented, yeah. - So, she thrives and said and then Chase was obviously supporting her, so they're obviously in good terms. - Yes, yeah. I think that because of their kids, they always will be, but I think Chase has learned a few lessons. Like, the Shania, and then me, I think he really has been, like, okay. - You're the Shania too? - Yeah, that was in season five, remember? - Yeah. - Chase? - Yes. - No, Chase, and oh my. - Oh my God. - Wait a minute, oh my gosh, okay, oh my. - It's like there's no men in you, that part, like a men move to Utah. There's so many gorgeous women. - I know. - I know. - I'm the most decrested man, and it's just like, oh my God, we need you. - It's pretty crazy. - I mean, they're handsome enough, but you girls are. I'm like, well, what is happening? - I don't know. - That's right. Damn, small world, okay. That's, and then how did you, in Miranda, work past that, like the tweet? Did you call her up and be like, hey girl, sorry. - So, you know what, so funny. So, me and Chase actually told Miranda and Kate the next morning, but it happened. So, they did find out before the rest of the world was sucked if they found out from anyone else. So, they knew, and I had texted both of them, and then I gave them a little bit of space, and then a week later, I sent them both flowers, just to be like, I'm so sorry. The sucky thing about that is that the Duma News broke the day I sent her flowers. I had no idea it was breaking. And so, it kind of looked strategic on my end, which I'm like, damn, that sucks, but again, justified. Like, she posted the flowers, and that was fine. Like, she deserves to have whatever reaction she wants to this. But I did send flowers, and then we ended up talking later. We didn't talk for a while. I mean, Miranda, but you guys will see that play out in the next season. - Okay. - So, there will be that resolution. - In season six. - In season six. - Coming up. - Oh my gosh. - She's commenting that she's been responding to people on TikTok saying her villain era is incoming. - Yeah. - Is that season six? - That is season six. - You are using the wrap with the villain? - Maybe I'm the villain, season six, who knows. - I know, you never know with you guys. - You never know. - You never know. - This is what I was like, oh my God. Just see being messy. - I know, messy dressing. - Oh, I hate it. - But it was so crazy, 'cause you are such like the one that you had the business, you had on your own, everything, and then I'm like, back in, that's what let's like everybody. - It's like business, I feel like I'm so locked in, and then my personal life, it just like has gone to shit the last year. And I'm like, damn, I need to like be done with this. Like, I need to do more therapy. - Yeah. - But, you know what I know we all do. - I don't think Miranda's in her villain era. I actually think it's just her like, standing on business and like, is being in her power. Like, even if I'm on the receiving end of that, like, I think that she has been wrong so many times that she deserves to be in that. So, I'm excited to see how it plays out, like, for the audience, but like, I respect her so much. And I have nothing bad to say, like, I love Miranda. So, and I'm really sorry for what I did. - What was the TikToks you guys are doing yesterday? It was like you guys were in the circle and it was all of you except for Whitney and Taylor. It was like, just was pranking. You guys were doing like that. Was it? There's a new one that's like, "Coochie." Oh, we did that in Italy. Oh, that was not new. Yeah, that wasn't new. That wasn't new. That one. Oh, Italy. We were there for season six. So you guys will see that. 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I have a lot of sadness. My family is falling apart. Even though I knew it was right to leave, it's still hard. I have two kids. It's been really emotional. You see a lot of that for me at least. A lot of friendship dynamics. There's a lot to come. A lot of the stuff you guys have seen online, you will get answers to. Thank goodness. I feel like it left us so open and so much nonsense. You guys share some stuff. Obviously, we see people in the comments, Taylor's been in the comments and stuff and you can kind of see where you guys are at now. How do you keep the show airs? How do you keep from going on social media and just like ranting or going on lies and just like sharing everything? How do you find the balance? So in the past, I feel like I've done that, but I actually personally feel like social media will be the downfall of our show if we continue this way. I think the online drama, the commenting, the fighting is making us look really bad. And I actually have been off socials for almost three weeks now. I post and then I get off or I have my assistant post. I'm not reading comments. I'm not looking, especially with the show coming out. It's been literally night and day for my mental health. I think everybody is like, maybe log off to some of the other Mormon wives. We're like, maybe log off for a little bit because it is mental health obviously. It is. Me too. Sometimes you just need to, you know how it is to see comments like, of course. No, one should be able to see what that many humans think of that like, think about if you were walking down like a hallway and you saw what every person was thinking about you as you walked past them. I was like being a telepath and you got access to everyone's like secret opinions about you. It's a little scary. It is. You sign up for it, but like I just think that we should stay off socials when the season comes out and even in between seasons. I think we should focus on like our fun content and our lives, but I don't like the drama of it all. And I have been a part of that. Like I'm saying that as someone who used to buy into that, but that's my new motto moving forward as I'm like, I'm staying off socials as far as like that stuff. I think you kind of have to be like, you said two people will like tune in more to the show because now we're seeing all this stuff like play out and you're just like, what is happening and stuff like it's, it's a lot. Let's keep it for the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can examine your interactions with the other women too because I feel like sometimes you won't interpret things in a certain way, but they'll be like, how could they talk to you like that? And you're like, wait, how could this person talk to you like that? I actually think all of us do that where we read the comments and we let it get to our heads and we're like, wait, I am justified for that, and they're like, it's not healthy. Like I agree with you there. I think that we all need to like not read it and just realize this is our job and the comments are a side effect of it. But let's not take it to heart, you know, like they don't really know us at the end of the day. They aren't around us. They live the life we live and so they can have their opinions, but they're seeing a very edited version of our lives, you know? Yeah. I feel like it can enable people to like the Taylor stands definitely is like, this is what people love. And they're just going to get a lot in season five. Yeah. Which is wild. Yeah, you stayed. You're still following Taylor, right? Yeah. Everyone else. So you stayed friends with her. Yeah. You defended her on Caller Daddy on everything. Yeah. You really defended her. And you stay on the Taylor. One of the few remaining wives that she followed. Yeah. Yeah. Probably the only one. Yeah. The show versus the Taylor, you know, obviously, we don't know her either. We just see what has shown to us and we're like, damn, I know, I can't anyone stay friends with her. Yeah. So how do you, how is that going? So, yeah, I know. I do have to say and I, I say this to Taylor herself, I don't condone all of her actions. Like I don't agree with everything she's doing. She'll post things sometimes and I literally text her like delete that, like, I think a good friend does that. Yeah. But also, I do have to say that like, going through my divorce, we've been through a lot of similar things with like our relationship dynamics and how we were treated. So I bonded with her a lot. And I understand certain things and we've really confided in each other. And I will say Taylor really has been there for me through my divorce. Like her and Macy are the two that have like really like checked in on me and been there. So I understand and I have sympathy for like her whole life's falling apart right now. Like I get that. But at the same time, I can also recognize the behavior and be like, hey, that's not cool. You know, so it's hard, but I guess for me right now, I have friendships with the girls. I have a friendship with Taylor. But I also have so much going on in my personal life that I'm not trying to be like getting myself so in the mix of the friendships, I need to focus on like my kids and my healing. And I'm just trying to support everyone because we're all going through the day, you know. So I think that you can like call your friends out while also still supporting. Well, I think what was hard, especially on this season is you were trying to be that one person in between the mediator with like Taylor and Macy and it's just like, she just like wasn't having it. Yeah. She actually kicked you. She did. I don't know how she actually got away. And I was like, remember that to my thoughts. I was like, oh, whoops. That's wild. So it takes a really strong person to like, stay true to that friend because I'd be like, what do you mean you're kidding me out of this conversation? You invited me over for it and then you're kicking me out of my own house. Yeah. Watching that back, I was like, I probably should have like stood up for myself a little more. But when Taylor sees red, she sees red. And I just feel like there's no point in arguing with someone who's that deep into their anger. And then you see, and I think I even say in the scene like under this is just a hurt little girl. And then she does break down outside. And when the walls come down, you do see that it just all comes from pain. Like, it's the anger comes from that place. And I knew that. But there's no point in fighting this right now. Yeah. But you try. I mean, you really did try and for everybody out on the streets too. Yeah. I was filming in the middle of like a cold attack. It was like freezing. I was like, I'm like, best on it. And you're just like, everyone's cold. And I'm like, what is happening? We can't think like when that street fight air is like, we need to the street fight. Yeah. Why are we guys outside for that? Because we had gone to Mason's house to get the ring. And then Chase showed up. So out front of Mason's house, like just randomly, it was so crazy. Wait. And did Laila ask you to go get the ring? Oh, you guys were just like, we need this ring back. Yeah. You deserve this. You spent so much money on him. Let's like stand up for you. I think we ended up getting it back, but it didn't show that. Yeah. Wait, what? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I know. Because I saw, I think Michaela posted a dump and she was like wearing the ring. And I was like, oh, I forgot about that. I know. That was like kind of unhinged. But I kind of also love that. I mean, that's why I do love this show. Because you guys are kind of just crazy. Like, we admit it. It's doing the most. I was like, oh, my gosh. So bad. You at least are still in a good place with almost the whole cast in, right? Yeah. As of right now, we're all in a great place, but you never know what that's. We've been through our ups and downs. I will say in season six, you will see a lot of friendship dynamics because this thing with Taylor blew up our whole friend group and there were a lot of like friendships that fell apart. And, you know, we've worked through a lot of it and I feel really good about my relationship with everyone right now. So I feel grateful for that. The women. Yes, the women. Yes. Dakota is not on this new season. No. And Dakota are both done filming. Oh, yeah. Thank God. Yeah. Which is good because once you're an ex, like, there is no need. I don't think so. Yeah. I think it's okay. Wish them the best, but like, let's just keep it with the women, you know? Yeah. They hopefully are. I would leave, too, because if people just don't like you at all, it's like, well, I want to be on there. Yeah. And I think it's good for both of them to be able to move forward. Like, here's the thing. Even though like me and my ex have had a tumultuous relationship, Dakota and Taylor had their thing, I still believe everyone deserves to like heal and move on. So both of them want the chance to do that. I want that for them. Like, even my ex, like, I want him to be happy. I really do. For our kids sake. And for him, like, I loved him at one point. Like, I always will love him. So I want him to be happy, but I don't think he needs to be filming. What do you think about all the cameos popping up on TikTok with him? Oh, God. If people love to post it, they do, they do get in the Jordan cameo. That's literally not like dogging him, but I just think that's funny. I know. No, it's so funny. I don't think he. Yeah. I don't think he realized that like people were going to post them. And there were a lot where he was talking badly about me, so I had to be like, hey, let's stop. You know, like, let's not do this anymore. They request for that. It's crazy. He just is like willingly. Like, let me give you some tea. I think he willingly did. I think at least that's how it looked, but, you know, I had also done call her daddy. So I can't like really shame him because I'm like, I also like talk. And, you know, any divorce is contentious, so I don't like blame him 100% but those cameos were wild. I was like, wow. I think he did him a disservice and I don't think he realized that was going to happen. Maybe. You know, but yeah, that was wild. Because he's kind of trying to like make, he did the winter games or what did he do? Oh, did he? Or the chef. Oh, the chef shot it was. Yes. Dakota did winter games. Yes, yes. He did the chef shot. So he still wants to kind of make me. I think he wants, he is a really good cook. And so I think he wants to lean into that content. So hopefully, like, he can do stuff with that. Yeah. So there's some redeeming qualities. He does. He does. I mean, here's the thing. Like, obviously, our relationship was not good. And there were a lot of bad things that happened, but every human has good and bad to them. and I think that if he leans into those, he'll be fine. - Yeah. - So, we all deserve to heal and grow, right? - I love that. We just want to see the healing growing practice. - Yeah. - People won't be like, I'm going to be growing on season six, I'm going to be better. We better see that. - We better see that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - No, you will see me go like this, and then this. Just so you know. - Well, we love that again. Yeah, people always are evolving and stuff like that. - Yeah. - You did say you're focusing on yourself and your solo stuff, what, solo things are you, 'cause everyone's done people are doing music, dancing with this connoisseur and the answer to the start. - I know, great shit, shook, that was the next moment when I started. - I was, I was like, whoa, one of the husbands broke free. And if it's going to be any husband, it's going to be Conner on us. - And see the best one. - Conner, okay. - He is just who you think he would be. He is an angel on earth. - He's a conner. - Yes, he is. - He's very supportive. He also was just like sitting there and I was like, wait, can you come up to him? 'Cause he was hit a magic trick to show us. - We love that. - Yeah, it's just very awesome. But you look at him. - Conner. - You never know, but I will say Conner is one of those that like what you see is what you get. He is such a good guy. - He is deserving of the dancing. - Yes, I'm so excited to see him do that. - That's going to be so interesting. So what about you, what's, what's, are you doing music? Are you going to be singing? - No. - Are you going to be if you for that? - No, I am definitely not going to be singing. I think that the other girls have that. I'm like, you do not want to hear me sing, trust me, yeah. - Really? - No performance in you. - I don't think so. - I would love to act, actually. - Oh. - I think I'm very theatrical. - Yeah, I would love that. - You're giving that. You're kidding, stuff like that, but when I was little I would put on plays for my parents and make them watch me for four hours at a time. So yes, I love that stuff, but I don't know if I have the voice, but I also can't dance. - Oh, real? - No. - But I'm glad you thought about dancing with the stars, no? - I mean, I would do it if they asked me because like who wouldn't? - Yeah. - At the same time, I'm like, it would be, I would be the Kim K. didn't she like suck and get voted off? - She did. - Everyone tells me. - Everyone tells me. - That would be me. - They give all I teach you now. - I will show up and like have a great costume, but like I will not be good. - So they asked you would say, yes, probably, but I would be really embarrassed, like I don't think I, I don't know. I did a dance lesson with Sasha recently and I was sore for three months. Like I'm like, how do people do this? Like it's so hard. - I'm tense with that dance because I love Sasha. He is. - I love him. - My DMs too when Moses cooks. Oh, that looks so good. - He's the best. - He's everywhere, yeah. - So did you go to his house? - No, fancy little house in the hills. - I know he does. - We went to a studio in LA. It was the day before I filmed called her daddy, actually. And so it was like the weekend my life was going apart, but he like was so gentle with me and so understanding. And we did, I actually learned a lot where I was like, maybe I could do this. Like if I really put the work in, but I was sore for so long. - What dance did you do? - Um. - Chacha, salsa. - I don't know. - We did like back and forth and flips and upside down and it was cool, but I have no idea what the style was. - That is so funny. - Yeah. - Oh my god. This is energy too because right, you said they're the same. Hulu is dancing with the stars. - Yeah, you see. Oh yeah, Disney, y'all. I think it all. - I can see like, as a stunt, you and Marciano competing against each other. - That would be iconic. - That would be a good guy. - It would go longer than me. - You see a dancer? - Way more rhythm, I think than I do. - We really? - Oh my god, I wouldn't love that. - That would be funny, yeah. - That would be everything. Cause you're still doing, you were saying before we started filming, you still have your, obviously, your studio, your hair salon. - Yeah. - But you kinda do that more remote. So you're just making time for doing more. - Yeah. - So my business, yeah, is something that I really love focusing on. It's a family business and I have a hair school, a hair salon, a hair extension company. So there's so many facets of it. And when I film, I don't like it to be as involved. So when we stop filming, I love integrating back into that. - Yeah. - So I just want to focus on that type of thing. My business, growing that, who knows what other opportunities. But I just want to, I mean, I like to say yes to everything. Whatever comes my way, we'll see. I mean, I can't dance, like I said, but if I did, great. - Yeah, yeah, you're open to trying everything. - Yeah, I'm open to trying everything once. - And we're talking about before to balancing being a mom. Cause you have two or three and six, four or six. - Three and six, yeah. - So little. - Yes. - So how does that balance work? Cause you're based in Utah. - Yes. - You're not moving to LA. - I can come here for work very easily. So like New York and LA, we're always in, but like Utah is where my businesses are, my family. My kids, I couldn't move, cause legally I have kids, so we both have to be there. But I, you know, being a working mom is the hardest job. Like, I'm trying to potty train my daughter right now, and I'm like, how do people do this? Like it's so hard. - It's so hard, especially when you're busy all the time. - Yes. - So hard not to just put a pull up on. It's like, okay. - I love being a mom more than anything. It's like my biggest, like, blessing in life. And I love just being able to focus on that when the cameras are down. Like, get back into mom mode and run my businesses, and it's just great. - Would you have more kids? - I don't know. I always said no, but Marciano wants kids so bad. - Changes, yeah. - Changes when you're a partner wants kids. - It's like, I have his own, so I'm like, okay, I would have one. I've told them. I've had, I'll have one. - Wow. - Yeah. - One more, and that's it. - Oh my gosh. - We'll see. - That's amazing. - Not anytime soon. - I love being a mom too. I had to get my tubes out, cause I was addicted to being pregnant. - Oh. - And I love being pregnant. - I love being pregnant. - I loved it. Yes. I loved it. I could be pregnant my entire life. - You are one of those women that's just like, oh my goodness. - I love it. - How about that? - You can eat whatever. - It is true. - People give you attention. - It's true. - It's like, you can sit wherever you want. They open doors for you. - Oh my gosh. - Like eating for two. You're right. - Oh, I love it. - And I'm getting birth is like the most magical experience in the whole world. - I love giving birth. - I do too. Marci, maybe it was the drugs or whatever, which is like, it's the euphoric thing. - Yes. - Do you do it naturally? - I did epidurals, but my second epidural with my daughter didn't take, so my legs were numb, but nothing else was. So I felt it all. Ring of fire. It was awful. - I might actually hate it if I felt it all. I was definitely feeling nothing and I loved it. - No, same. First one easy. - Oh my gosh. All right. Mine were all C-sections, not by choice. The first one. The second, the third one. - Okay. - But you get this numbing. And then when you wake up after giving birth, you're just kind of like, you're floating. - You're floating. - And you get a baby on your chest. And you're like, this is great. - And you don't feel your legs. - Obviously, you don't want all the time, but like, it was good for those 24 hours. - And everyone's doting on you and like taking care of you. It's great. - And you're going to date with your husband, it was me and Moses just talking to each other for 24 hours straight. I was like, this is so wonderful. - This really happens because it was really, I really liked it, but then that's why I had to like take my own tubes out, because I'm like, I just can keep ringing it and we don't have, so you have three. And you're done. - Yes. - Okay, we were good with two. - Maybe I'll have three and get done. We'll say, I feel like, good number. If you're even thinking about a third, I always think like, yeah, just have the third. It was kind of fun, so you never know, oh my gosh, that would be so exciting. - I know, not any time soon, but I am 34, so I'm like, damn, like how old do I want to be when I have my last? How old were you? - Wow. - With your last? - I just had about 37. - I was 37, yeah, time. - I think I meant 40 years. - 40 years. - Yes, 35, they're like, it's a geriatric pregnancy. I'm like, oh great, I'm a great mom. - No, honestly, all minor geriatric pregnancies, and they, because I had them back to back. It was like, you're right, 36 or so. - Okay, I was like, back to back. And again, I was great. And I was like, not in shape. - Okay, good, forever. - So I'm good, I've got like, a good six years left in me before I could. - Would you ever do a spinoff, you and Marciano? - Oh my gosh. - I mean, would you guys watch it? I don't know. - Yes. - The Brunette. - Oh, people were saying that you wanted to get married just to have the brunette name. - Shut up, that's funny. - Yeah, I'm not mind, so you don't know. I don't know, I'm not reading comments, but how iconic. Like, actually, when we were at Vanderpump Villa when I met him, I remember we were all sitting around talking about our last names for some reason. And everyone's like, how do you spell your last name? 'Cause it was Nauti Cara, and I was teaching them, and then he was like, yeah, my last name's Brunette. And I said to him, I'm like, oh my gosh, can I steal that? Like, that's perfect for me. - You're like, we're getting married. - Yeah, I was fully married, and I did not expect it at that time. Like, nothing had happened with us on that trip, so I was just joking and now full circle. But I'm like, Jesse Brunette is actually like, so I call it. - It was a great name. - You know, you are Brunette. - I'm a Brunette. - Yeah. - It makes so much sense. - Did you do that on purpose when you met him? - No. - Like, I'm going to a darker. - 'Cause you were so much lighter. - I used to be blonde my whole life, and then I was going a little bit darker as the show went on, and I've gone back and forth, but Brunette just feels more me now. - That's it? - Which is so ironic, yeah. I tried to go lighter a few weeks ago, and I immediately changed it. I was like, no, I'm a dark-haired girl. - I want to go dark, because I'm getting older. - With your eyes? That's what I was saying. Your eyes are so blue, but do you always have to be glam and stuff, and always like full makeup? - No, I actually feel so much better. I feel like it adds more color to my skin. I'm not so washed out. - Yeah. - You're like, influenced me. This is all yours. - Oh, this is all extensions. - This is all extension line? - These are jazzy. - Yes. - Yes, I love it so much. - My own hair is like to hear. - Oh my god, it looks amazing. - Oh, thank you. - And their clippings are their weapons. - No, they're tapens. We have all kinds, but I do tapes, 'cause they're easy, but yeah, it's all fake. - Oh my god. - It looks so-- - It's amazing. - Thank you. - That is the best. - When people say, like, I love your extensions. That's like the worst compliment you can get. - Yeah. - And we can say that. - You're super open about what you, 'cause did you say this last season, the intro you were recovering from surgery? - So not even in the intro, but the whole season. Like, if you watched the season, I looked so puffy, especially like the first couple episodes. - I did not see that at all. - Are you serious? - Yeah, I was like, you look so good. - I didn't until you were like pointing it out. - Okay. - Yeah, then I was like, oh, okay, I see it. But at first, I didn't. - Okay. - And I feel like, again, it's the thing with the comments, 'cause you're still posting in real time and everyone's being mean. - Oh my gosh. - And it doesn't rad. - I do, I did see one video, someone sent it to me, which I'm like, don't send this to me. But it was a video like comparing me like the saw character or something. - Oh my gosh. - And I was like, perfect. - I knew that. - That would be the reaction. But overall, it's been really like, everyone's been like, you looked so beautiful, 'cause I think people know I was recovering, but I had just gotten surgery a month before that. So I was, I got some fat grafting in my face and it was so swollen and puffy. - What's fat grafting? - They take fat from your thighs and put it into your face, which to be honest, I didn't want. My doctor just kind of did it. - What do you mean? - You didn't go for that? - No, I went in for a lower and upper bluff, which is where they just removed the extra skin from your eyes. And he had told me, I want to do some fat grafting around your eyes to balance it out. And I just said, yeah, whatever you think I need, which wrong answer. - Good answer. - Do not say that. So it is my fault. And he did, he put it in my lips, my cheeks, my eyes, my jaw, I woke up this big and I was like, what happened? Like, I did not want that. So it sucks. 'Cause I'm like, I hope people didn't think that's what I wanted to look like. - But it's solid. It looks great now. - Yeah, that's what I was like, wait, 'cause I know you said the surgery and I'm like, so the upper bluff, is that like an upper facelift? - Not a facelift. But like, if you ever have like heavier like eyelids, where like, you have extra skin. It just kind of like removed the extra skin, like when you smile and, you know. - Are you under, are you put under? - Yes. - Yes. - That's like, like, lower. - Could you imagine I'm like, cut my eyes open. - Why? - Oh, I let you know, you never know. - Oh my God. - And also, I've had so many surgeries now and I know I went overboard. So I'm also the biggest component, or what's the word? - Advocate. - Advocate. - Yeah, or component. - I don't know, I don't need a girl. - No, we're both naturally blonde, so I don't know. Our naturally biggest advocate of you do not need. Like if you want to do something great, but you do not need to go overboard, I wish I wouldn't have done my last one. So, how many had you had? - You look very natural to me, I would never know. - That's okay. - I had, okay, so I had my nose done, but it was like not a nose job, it was just like a little nostril tuck, like they just cut a little bit off of the side. - Because why was wrong with your nostrils? - It was like a little flurry? Mine is like that. - No, I want it now. - You don't need it, you don't need it. - No, I'm like, don't get surgery. - I'm very, I'm very that poor too. - Yeah, and then I did the upper and lower bluff with the fat grafting and then I did, what else have I done? - Oh, it'll be a plastic, I did that in season one, and then I've gotten my boobs done. - Thank you so much to Wat Not for sponsoring today's episode of Jess Trish. I am so happy that Wat Not is back as a sponsor because I am absolutely addicted to this app. If you love shopping, if you love a good deal, what not is for you and if you love live interaction. 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So download Wat Not today and get $20 off your first purchase. Search Wat Not. That's WHAT and OT. In the app store, sign up and start finding the best deals on the products you love with $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Thank you so much to Wat Not for sponsoring today's episode. But as far as my face goes, like I wish I wouldn't have done as much. But like-- Because you were like so young. You're so young now. Yes. Like seeing. That's like a lot. I didn't need everything I did. You look right. You do look like you're like 20. So it didn't work. Thank you. Hopefully it was worth it then for thing going on. The boost was also a lot, right? Oh my gosh. I had a hematoma. And so in New York for Whitney, I was like dying. I was in so much pain. I had just gone to the Grammys. And it started to hurt at the Grammys. So I was like flying from LA to New York with a hematoma. And I was just sitting like this. I was like, kill me. How soon was your boob job before all that before flying? I got it done in January. And Whitney started in-- It was probably a few weeks before that. Yeah, so it was like fresh. So yeah. So yeah, like trauma too for all that. Yes. And then that too makes it worse. So I think that did something. Did your doctor advise you not to? Oh my gosh, he was like, what are you doing? But he's so great. He's so supportive. But a few weeks, he was like, you're fine. But just be careful. And yeah. Oh my. But we're good now. So that's all that matters, right? That is so wild. Thank you. I know. It was a crazy time. It was crazy watching it fly to New York. And you literally couldn't even put your shirt on. Yes. I was like going like this. And you were like, go in the ice skating. It was like, and Taylor wasn't showing up. And I was like, I'm bleeding internally. And this girl can show up. But I'm like, I'm dying, actually. But that's me, Vegas, season one, when we went to Vegas, I had just gotten my leave of opacity three days before. And I was like, let's go. I just pushed through, but I probably shouldn't. But I'm done with surgeries now. So we're good. I know. I've done my boobs out this year. I hate my boobs. I hate my boobs. Yeah, I'm over it. That's why I got my done again. I went smaller. I was like, did you have-- Oh, yeah, the bigger one. I had bigger ones. And I'm like, I'm so short, this is too much. So I get it. Yeah, I feel like back in the day, huge boobs were like, they were in. Yeah, and now I was just like, they're annoying, they're big. It's about like trends changing. It's like, literally our bodies. We're like, oh, now I need smaller boobs. Oh, when I got my BBL, everyone's like, big butts are out. Yes, what the heck? It's perfect. Awesome. Yes, too. I was getting my lips over there. Yes. Now we're all dissolving our lips. It's crazy. And in five years, it'll be back. At that bar, I'm like, we need a figure of what we're doing. Yes. But the, the bluffs and everything are in right now. I want to get out of here. Yeah, don't do it. Really? Don't do it. Do it right here. Okay, well that's like Cabella, that's different, right? I have done Cabella. I have actually. But that's not a surgery. That's just like they dissolve. Like they, it's an injection. It makes it tighter though. It makes it just tighter. And it like, yeah, it tightens it up, I guess. But don't get a bluff. Like, do not do it. Really? Yes. Because my bluff, there were some complications. And my eyelids looked like saucers. Like, it was like, my lid was like drooping a little bit. Don't do it. Like, just don't. You just weren't filming at that time. I did. I just didn't make it. Like, actually, there was a whole scene where the girls had an intervention with me. They sat me down and they're like, you need to stop getting surgery and it just didn't make it. We need that to air, because so many people need that PSA. I know. I thought. Also, we, like a blooper episode. Yeah. Everything that was cut, the funny stuff we'd love to see, because it was heavy this season. There was always funny stuff. I'm like, really? We need to see more of that. Yeah. We're like, we're going to just focus on the crazy part. Well, it's funny, because online, everyone's like, the girls hate each other. Like, why are they friends? You guys don't see the good stuff, though. Every friendship has up and down and I agree ours is intense, but we have so much fun when we film. I wish they'd left a little more of that one, because it's really fun at times. Do you see each other outside of filming? Some of us. Yeah. I see Macy a lot. Okay. I'm close with everyone, but I would say Macy right now. I see more than anyone, for sure. Yeah. I mean, at one point, we were all really, really close, and when we're filming, we obviously see each other more. And then when we stop filming, we almost decompress and kind of scatter. We're like, "K, we need a break." Like, from each other. Yeah. But no, I think that a lot of us still hang out a lot. How, I guess, going backwards, like, before even season one airs, like, how are you invited into mom talk? Like, I always love to know that, because it was Taylor and the two blondes that were like her daughters, right? That was like the whole game. Yes, Camille and Miranda. We'll happen to them. Miranda is still here. Oh, I'm like, that was in Camille. Camille's still around the group. Like, she was in season five, the carnival you see her for like a second. But she just, like, had a baby and like, she's just doing her own thing. I love her. She's great. I actually was doing Whitney's hair. I had been doing her hair for a while. And then I was friends with Macy. And so I kind of just got brought in because I was friends with everyone. And they just, like, asked if I wanted to be a part of it. So it's like, awesome. And I remember doing my interview for the show. They, like, wanted to do a Zoom interview. And I was in the middle of getting my hair done. And you know, as a blonde, like, you have foils everywhere. I had half a head of foils. And they were like, "Can you jump on a Zoom?" And I was like, "Sure." So I just showed up. Like, that is mid-foyen. Yeah. And they were like, we loved that. It was so real. That's like part of why I got casted, I don't know. But it was fun. Were you there for any of the swing scandals before? No. I was not. So even after all that, you're like, "I'll join this group even though they're swingers." Yeah. Okay. Because I also, like, I just, I mean, I had already been divorced once on my second marriage. Like, I was just kind of like, "I don't judge. I have a crazy past, too." Yeah. Whatever or so. You're like, "Let's just jump into it." And I knew some of the girls. So, like, I kind of knew the ins and outs. Like, I had done Whitney's hair. I knew Macy. So, like, I knew the story behind the story, you know? Yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. So, you guys were genuine, like, friends and in the community. Yeah. All Salt Lake, is that where it's all happening? Yeah, we're all on Salt Lake. And you were in Mormon. Yes. I was Mormon. I got married in the temple. My first marriage, did the whole thing, grew up Mormon. I'm not Mormon anymore. Like, honestly, my whole family is kind of falling away. Yeah. But it's still such a heavy influence. Like, I have so many of my employees that are Mormon. My friends and family still. So, what does that mean? Are you, like, Chick-fil-A? Where you, like, take Sunday off? Unfortunately, no. 'Cause I'm working today. I said no. When I said I was a Sunday, I was like, oh, they're never going to have a Sunday. Like, actually, they were, like, no, isn't their church? Sunday's great. I love it. I've been a church in years, so. Oh, so you're not going in the Mormon community, like, typically, it's, like, on Sunday, you don't go shopping. You don't go to movies. You don't hang out with friends. You stay home. It's a family day. It's a little more relaxed now, but when I was growing up, that was so the standard. So, you grew up in Utah. You grew up Mormon. Mm-hmm. Stayed home on Sunday. Yes. Yeah. The little Mormon girl, you know? That is wild. Yeah. Oh, my God. Mormon. Yeah. I'm so fascinated by it. My favorite Mormon is Doniazman. I really love him. I love him. So, you know him? Yeah. Yeah. My cousin, it was best friends with his son in high school. No. Yeah. So, I went to his house and stuff. Oh, yeah. Were they Provo? Was that where they were? Yeah. Provo and Ores. Did you watch Joseph and the Technicolor Dream show? Oh, my God. It's my favorite thing ever. That was my favorite movie growing up. I'm obsessed with it because Donnie was Mormon or just like musicals. Like, he lived in Utah, and I love musicals. Yes. But, yeah, he was like, in Utah, and I knew him. So, I was like, imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new, grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new, grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Maybe it's Mabling. This is so cool. That is where she, like, saw him out. I loved it. Yeah. I met Donnie 55 times. I loved him. I loved him. I loved him. I loved him. Every time I see him, I'm like, you're awesome. So, I caught it. A lot of Mormons on Dancing with the Stars too. It's a very-- Well, Utah, it just breathes, like, dancers, entrepreneurs, reality. Now, like, it's crazy. Interesting, 'cause-- And we're all Mormon. Right, as we're up there, and Whitney Carson, Lindsey Arnold. All of us. All of us. Yes. Yes. Wow. Whitney was-- she did an interview with people, and she was approached, I guess, to be in Mormon. She-- Yeah. Whitney Carson? Yes. She was approached to be in-- Oh, no. And, like, she's in one, to be one of the-- I'm not surprised. Yeah. She's like, oh, no, she's way too wholesome for us. Like, she's so amazing and cute and-- You guys give wholesome, but then, yeah, I got, like, messy. This intro-- A little crazy. This year, the Greek-- Yes. The Greek goddesses. Yes. - And how do those come to be? How do they ask you guys to import like, what's the creative this year? 'Cause you started in blue coats in the first season. - Yes. Oh, we were mortified by that one, by the way. - Oh, wait, why? I kinda like it. - Well, because it was in front of the temple and we were like, oh, Mormons are gonna eat us a little bit. - I remember filming that and there were like some cute little old ladies outside the temple and they're like, oh, are you guys in a wedding? And we were like, yeah, we're brights me. It's like, we did not want anyone to know. - I heard the coats not like traditional Mormon coats. - No, those were just coats they chose. And then we carried them into season two. And then I think for season three, we evolved into blue dresses. And now we do blue dresses. And it's like the symbolism for the coats, I guess. - Got it. - But no, our showrunner is so creative and incredible. Amazing. And she comes up with the main titles every year. And every year, I think it's like a new element of Utah. Like the red rocks and then we had the salt flats and then the water. So I always love seeing what she comes up with. - It's awful, yeah. - It is cool, yeah. It's always so wild, the behind the scenes of it is wild. - Yes. - Do you guys get to choose if you're in it or not? Like, obviously Taylor's not in the new intro. So you guys get to pick, like you can just not show up if you don't want to. - I mean, not really. That was like not allowed, I mean, that's not allowed usually. But I will say she was on her way and then she turned around. We filmed this like three hours away from where we lived. And she was supposed to be there. And then I think like, you know, her life's been crazy in the news. Something had broken online and she was too much for her to handle. So she turned around. So I think they were obviously like, what do we do? But at the same time, she's been going through a lot and they found a way to integrate her in. But like, I understood that because I was also going through her hard time when we filmed that. I was in July, I think. And I was having a panic attack mental breakdown over my divorce. I almost didn't show up the second day. Glad I did now because it looks amazing, but I understood where she was coming from. 'Cause I'm like, I mentally was also going through it. So like if you need to not be there, I get it. - Yeah, I feel, it's just, it's like you want to be in that opening. - You do. - She was on the swing and that one opening and I was like, that's everything. - It was and I sure her dress would have been amazing. And like it would have been incredible. But they still integrated her in. But I think people obviously could tell it was. - Yeah, it wasn't the same. Is it feel different this season without Whitney? - Yeah, it does. It's weird because we've all been together from day one and even though we all go in different directions, like we all will never understand. Like we all will understand like no one else can what we all went through together. Like the rise to fame so quickly and overnight. And it was really we're not having her there, but at the same time like she has kind of been removed for a while. So you know, she would pop in here and there. And we will always like have Whitney and mom talk like in our friend group. She'll always be a part of our friend group. So like we still catch up with her and stuff, but it is different. - That's so crazy. That is wild 'cause how long was it five years ago, premiered a four years? - Two. - So you said while it was two years ago? - Yes. - September of 2024. - Oh my. - That's where I say the rise to fame was quick. We filmed six seasons and two years. - Ooh, gone in. (laughing) - I don't know if any of the next season they are. - The best dress out. They're like you're gonna do all the, can you believe that? That's the weird thing about the show airing is by the time airs I'm like whoa, like we're already on the next. Like I forget what happened, you know. That is insane. - Yeah. - Oh my God, your life did, okay, that was a big switch up. 'Cause I think that was Jen and Zach too when we see them, like they're differences. It's like you were a completely different person. - Two years ago. - Two years ago. - Two years. - One probably was so different. - Yeah. - Who you married, like Jordan, even you and Jordan, it's like you guys were probably such different people. The fame, just everything, fame, money, opportunity is your life. - It changes your life. - 'Cause all the women were mostly like housewives and that kind of switched. All the men kind of have like give up their jobs if they wanted to. And so that's, that was a big change. I saw the season two, a lot of people, I guess giving empathy towards Zach where he was like the villain before and they're kind of like, well damn, a lot did change. Like Jen's whole life changed, obviously. - A year and a half, so like you have to give a little grace to everyone going through a transition for sure. - That's why it's crazy. - Especially with kids and you guys were also young. When we held down your first marriage. - Oh, when I got married, the first time I was 22 and then got divorced at 26, got remarried at 27 and then divorced again at 33. Insane, like so Mormon of me. - Is it, is it that, was that, I was not wondering where the, 'cause you were saying like you wouldn't get legally married but is that instilled because of the church? Like you should be legally married. - Everyone gets married at like 19, has three kids by the time they're 25, like it's insane and then everyone gets divorced because you get married so young. So I just feel like I'm like so scarred from it. I'm like, I don't need a piece of paper to have like a successful. - Yeah. - And I'm in such a healthy relationship now and I've never been in one before. And so I'm like, I would just rather like enjoy this and not like feel the need to make that legal. But again, I also like love partnership and so like maybe one day, but yeah. And I know Marciano would be the best husband in the whole world. Like he already is the best partner. - He's definitely the best looking guy on the show 'cause I always have those things in my capacity. - I saw your clip talking about that and I was like, valid. - Right. - But it's Utah. - It's Utah, you know what I mean? It's like he's Vegas, right? He's giving model and-- - Yeah, he's giving, yeah, everyone always thinks he's gay. Like it's hilarious. - He's very pretty. - Yeah, and he cares. And I'm like, but at least he cares. He like rushes his teeth and like does his hair, like cares about his hygiene, you know? - I did have, I had two gay boyfriends. I'm one of my gayfriends. I just like it. - I'm actually a big job. - I love it, right? - You just see that. - Yeah, like actually gay. - Yeah, I love that. - He was actually gay. - You know what, I love a gay man. And if I married a gay man, I would be so happy. - My heart. - I love that we have the same taste in shows. We watch our chick clicks together. Like he's my best friend, along with my boyfriend. He's not gay, but like he has like a little of like the feminine side that I need. I can't be with a man as a fallen beer. - You're a lot of women, so that's great. - Right, yeah. - Because the people think that about Connor, he gets the gay out of me too. And it's like, maybe the best husbands are. - Maybe they are. Maybe the best husbands are the allegations. - Yeah, I've always loved my gay boyfriends and I love when a man's so much. - I have so many gay best friends. Like maybe that's why I like that a little bit. - I know, I feel. - All my boyfriends have also been a little family. - Yeah, so I didn't. - Yes, I could say that. - I could say that. - The dress is the best lines back out in season four. That was, yeah, when he did that in person, I was like, oh my gosh. - Were you crazy? - I was, I was, I was, I was hot. - No. - Did I think that was hot? - Are you the real? - Yeah, I got it like that. I was like, I didn't eat. - You know what, in the edit, I was like, that was funny, and it became a trend. But in the moment, I was like, what is happening? Are you like in musical theater right now? Like, I was a little confused, but yeah. - I was saying, I think you could have a redemption arc, if we say Zach had one, I think he could. - You know what? Every villain. Look at Whitney. People thought she was the villain season one, and now she's on top of the world. Everyone and everyone will have a villain era. I'm not kidding, I think everyone in reality TV will go through that, because you're filming your real life, and we're all messy, and no one's perfect, so. - That's the craziest turn around to it with Whitney, 'cause I hadn't watched the seasons when they were airing. That's why I thought it was forever. - Yes. - And I was like, oh my gosh, but then when Whitney did dancing with the stars, I was like, wait, I really like love her. - Yeah, he is the best. - She really is. - And she met her like, you know, like she's so great. - She's so sweet, she's going back to Broadway, which is really cool. - I know, I wanted me, I need to meet everyone. I need to meet like a gen, because while the internet and people were kind of sideying her, it's like, maybe she has some redeeming qualities in there. - She does, no she does, I love Gen. Gen's just, Kate, you think about it, she's what, 26. She has now almost four kids, a really young marriage that's been contentious, like she's so young, I think she's 26. - I think she's 26, yeah. So she has just been through a lot, and I just think that she doesn't know sometimes how to communicate, how she's feeling, because when you're in a marriage that sometimes, like she's expressed, like they've had a lot of ups and downs, and she can't really be herself, and she felt like Zach didn't support her, like that makes you go into yourself, so sometimes when you're trying to communicate how you feel, it doesn't come out the right way. - Yeah. - So I think that's part of her issue, but she really is so great. Like you'll meet her and you'll love her, like I love Gen. - Okay, I'm excited to see her on the spinoff of the Mormon Village. - Yeah. - Where's Bonnie? - Yeah. - We'll see, 'cause you popped in, you popped in on the Bachelorette. Are you popping in on the OC Mormon Village? - You know what, I wasn't around for it, so we'll see. - Okay, none of it. - Yeah, I think that you guys will see some surprises, so I'll say that, but yeah, it's kind of funny how we have so much crossover, like we have the Vanderpump Village, the Bachelorette, like OC now, like there's a lot of like Hulu, um, crossover. - So she said, "Yes." - Oh and Stasi, I was on that and the girls, like I, it's funny how we all pop up on each other's stuff without realizing, you know what I mean? - Right, right, that's so interesting. Oh yeah, they probably love that you and Marciano together, 'cause they have that branding, the spinoff, and Harry Styles. - I love that he's in the mix too. - Oh my gosh, yeah. - Although. - I love him. - Why was he on? Why was he on? - Okay, yes, so you know what, so funny. We had all met him at some point just through like the industry and I think it was Macy. Macy had just done his podcast. So she was like, "Taylor, you should like hang out with him, he's so funny." And like, I know, I see, girl, why? We love you. I thought you were at the stable level, and I know what you think. She was just trying to get Taylor away from Dakota. Because this was on that trip of dancing with the stars when they were sleeping together. So we invited him over, being like, "Taylor, this is a good test run for you for the Bachelorette." Because she was so foreign to dating and then she did what she did. Like then they just started fighting in front of him and I honestly think that was the best part of season 4. Seeing his face expressions. - Right. - He was like, "Where am I?" - Yeah, that was wild. - It was so funny. I love Harry. He's great. - Oh, wow. - Hey, I'm going to get one first. - Okay. Okay. - For dating Harry, I think would be a different experience, but like friend Harry? Love him. He's so great. He's so supportive. He checks in on us all the time. Like, he's such a great friend. - He's just sending a text. - Yeah. All the time. Yeah, we text a lot. So, did you guys, were you just doing voice memos? Is that what I remember? - Yes. That was in, yeah. And that was funny when it released. I mean, it depends on the context. But those were innocent. I felt like it proved the point of like this was like happy birthday. Like we share the same birthday. So, every year, we're like happy birthday to him, you know? - Right. - Yeah. - Okay, interesting. Because I remember he was at the scene of the crime for that too when all that scandal was going on. - He's always in the mix. - Always. - He's always in the mix somehow, yeah. - Okay, so that was innocent. And I think he was just trying to be messy, being like, "No, I think he was like, 'cause I talked about it." He's like, "Well, here they are." And we had talked about it. Like, he's fine. - Got it. - Okay, I love it. Okay, you're really defending a lot of guys. Which I like, 'cause I'm heating up. - Am I a male apologist? - No, no, no. - I think you're the dirt in everyone. - You know what? I'm a Gemini. What's your sign? - Oh, Taurus. - Oh, your son's a Taurus. - Yes. - And your daughter is a Gemini. - Oh, me. - Okay, so my son's April 20th. - Okay. - She's May 24th. - That's my birthday. - May 24th. - Yes! - Oh my God. I was just these section, I was trying to get her out on touristy, but like, shut up. No, she's a Gemini. Oh my god. Wait, what sign are you? I'm a cancer. Oh, I love a cancer. You're a cancer emotional. I love that. Okay, so Gemini. So I'm a Gemini, and maybe you'll notice this in your daughter. She gets older. I can see both sides of everything. Yeah. They call it the splits. It's like twins. It's a twin sign. So you have like, they call it two-faced, but for me, I just feel like I can see both sides. It's really hard for me. Like, you saw me mediating the fights. Yeah. I'm like, no, I can see both sides. So I think for me, I like see the good in people, and then the bad, like, I don't know, I just see both sides. I see the bad in most people. So that's good. I wish I was more like that. I wish I saw both sides easier. Yeah. They're all white flags to me. It's so bad. I need to look on that. I need to look on it. It's good. I think it's good to be that way, and everyone needs that in the front group too, which is true. That's true. Oh my god. So this, I'm just so fascinated by all of you guys. I'm like, what you're going on to do, because I know we talked about something. I think you probably can't talk about it, but the stuff you're coming up. So for me, like, I love, like, okay, this is the funniest thing about our industry, as people are always like clout chaser. They just want fame. And I'm like, I don't think there's a bad thing about wanting to be in this industry. Yeah. That's why we're on TV. That's why we do what we do. And I wouldn't even say it's like, I want to be famous. It's more so though, like, I actually enjoy entertainment and being in this industry. And it helps my business and it elevates things. So for me, like, my, like, blueprint is like a Lisa Vanderpump or like a Kim K. I want to be in this industry and build businesses and take my business to the next level. We're actually right now currently building a new salon. We just bought a huge lot. It's going to be like 30,000 square feet. It's going to be like an empire. So my goal is like, let's like take that empire and make it bigger and better. And that's my goal is just to like be in this industry to elevate that. And I want to be a business woman. That's me. So wait, that's everything. Yeah. I can do it. Are you going to do franchises? I don't know. I think about it. But I'm like, I would lose the control. And I'm like the face of my business. So that scares me. But like, our new building is going to have like a coffee bar and a gym and like a green room. And that's so like everything. 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Yeah, we do pride every year. There's a lot of like open-mindedness. Oh, we love that. Yeah, my show in Salt Lake, I had like a year ago. There was lots of guys. I remember seeing that and you got a swag. Everyone was tagging all of us and it like, yeah, you guys actually were commenting back and I was very excited. We had at least like three of you guys commenting back and I was very excited. I do a lot of swag. You guys also have a Benihana, which is very-- I love Benihana. It's so good. So good. We sit right across the street in that haunted house. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know exactly where you were. I love Salt Lake. I do like the vibe. It's fun. It's fun. It's a great place to raise kids too. So I love that for that. It's a fun, safe, great environment for kids. So I'm like, it's great. It feels like, yeah, because like you said, you get kind of in the middle so you can kind of go back and forth between working out. Yes. You get a more modern Salt Lake is more vibey and then we're in the county so it's a little more homely. Yeah. You get the best of both worlds. Oh, I love that. Do you ever see yourself moving out of Salt Lake room? Maybe in the future. I think for me, I would have a house somewhere else. I would have a vacation home, but as long as my kids are still being raised, I want to have them in a stable. I don't want to have them switching schools. I mean, my ex has been in both live in Utah, our families, my businesses are there. But I love that I have my roots, but then I can travel for work and-- Yeah. Is Marciano come up to Salt Lake? Is he there now full time? Almost. So he is visiting me all the time and I think he's going to be moving soon. He's going to get his own place, though. Wow. Yeah, we're not going to live together. I'm trying to be mature and take things slow, so you know. I was going to say, what is the difference? Like, this is my first healthy relationship. What is the big difference? I see your feel. Oh my gosh. Like, he treats me like gold. Like, everyone in my life knows. Like, he is such a gentleman. Like, he will not let me carry my own bag ever. My purse, like, he's constantly carrying it, opens doors for me. If I need anything, he is like-- And he's like 10 steps ahead of me. Like, if I sigh, if I'm like, he's like, what's wrong? I know what that sigh means. Like, he's so attentive. And my friends and family, he's always opening their doors. Like, he's such a gentleman. And he is a healthy communicator. He's never raised his voice at me, which I know is like-- this is like the bars in hell, I know. Well, that's big these days. Yeah. It is. Like, he is so-- like, he's just such a angel. And I know that you don't see that on TV. Like, Vanderpump Villa is not who he is. Like, I'm telling you, I'm excited for you guys to potentially see another side of him. Yeah, I'm so excited. He seems very sweet and like grounded and stuff like that. So I think it's the biggest heart. Everyone in the world probably thought rebound messy Jesse. For sure. They're even the other women think that at first, too. Yes. For sure. I will say, like, Macy is like so opinionated and is such a good friend. Like, she's so loyal. So when I first started hanging out with him, she was like, what are you doing? And I was like, please just like get to know him. And she did. And she loves him now. Like she manages him. She is friends with him. We hang out all the time. Jacob loves him. So I think that it was just like a testament to like, please just get to know him. And she did as a good friend. And she loves him. It was the whiplash. 'Cause I remember, too, like the early tiktoks you guys would do. Yeah. First of all, I loved it. But the one where he was like grabbing you by the, it was one of your hates. Oh my God. I mean, hot. But you're like, damn, bro, we went on quickly. We're like, we're now updating, which is like, I think the whiplash of it. But then, yeah, you just see someone happy. And I think so many people are quick to judge when they just see like, relationship relationship, but it's like, yeah. But here's the thing, like, leaving the romantic side out of it. Just as a friend, he has been like, the light of my light going through this dark time. Like, he has had me crying on his shoulder panic attacks. Like, he has seen it all. And he's just been there for me. So even leaving the boyfriend aspect out, like, as a friend, I really needed him. And it was fast. And also, like, we dated. It's been almost six months now since we started talking. I made him wait five months to be official. Like, I was like, I cannot commit to this early because I need to date. And I did. Other people. I needed that. You know, like, I needed to be single for a minute. But then at the same time, how can I deny our connection? And why would I not take that up with, like, he treats me so well? Why would I say no to that? So then I finally got to a point where I was like, okay, it's time. I think it's why I've hard to date, too, because you're so on this huge show. It's like the biggest show. And then, obviously, you have like small kids. So to find someone's like, understands that. And also gets your celebrity life versus your, like, person. It's very hard to find. Like, if he, like, people are like, he's in it for cloud. I'm like, he has seen way too much. He would have been gone by now with the kids and the divorce and the craziness. I'm like, no, no, no, no, he's dealt with a lot, even being here today, like 10 a.m. on a Sunday. Oh, yeah. So why it's like crazy? Yeah, he's very, he deals with everything with grace. He's the best. You guys have any plans? What? I know you're busy. I know what you're saying. Are you guys doing anything today? Are you filming today? No, we're not filming today. Tomorrow, we probably will. But I think we're just going to go to dinner tonight and just, you know, just enjoy it. Here we, every time we come, we go to Lala Land for coffee. That's like my favorite. It's so good. I'm going to get the perfect latte or the strawberry cloud. What do you get? I get the strawberry hot matcha. So good. Oh, the matcha's really good. You're a matcha person? I don't love matcha, but I have tried the Lala Land one and I'm like, okay, that's the best one I've had. They have some, yeah. I was never a matcha person and everyone started drinking matcha. Did we exactly get a matcha together? Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of, it can be good when you have like the foams and it has to have like the strawberry or something to make it like not taste like grass. Yeah. It's giving us wig. I saw your interview. Who was I seeing? That or something. I know it's our vice, like it seriously is, like it's crazy and it's so normal in Utah. Like, instead of coffee, we're going to swig at 8 a.m. - 'Cause why can't you have coffee? - So the Mormons don't believe in excess anything. So caffeine even read me. Like you have to have everything in just not excessively. But for a while it was no caffeine. Like no coffee, no soda even. And now it's evolved and now soda's the one thing that you can have. And so it's just like everyone goes crazy with it. Because it's like a loud. - It seems like, okay, it's a lot of sugar, but you know, we love. Shout out to Swake for the Pumpkin Peas. They send me like a little package every month. - Oh, I love Swake. They're the best. And the pumpkin cookies are so good. - You're gonna love those. - I'm going in a couple of weeks and I'm very excited to chat. - I love a whole Mormon wives experience. What else is there to do in Utah, while? - So people go, like, I will say, and this is like a shameless plug, but people come to Jay-Z because it's only landmark in Utah for secret lives. Like, you can't go to Taylor's house, you know? You can't go to like, wherever else we film. So like, people come in. - The street. - I was gonna say, that might be the one. - Can I give you the address for the street? - I'm actually dead. - I'll be my puffer vest. - You just go out there and see, like, I feel the magic. I'm cracking up. I mean, that's true though, you're excellent. That's a lot, as you said, we're being, I'm gonna keep it. - We're probably gonna either rent out the current one or sell it, but then the new one will be like. - It's staple, like, you said, so it's hard to do. - So people come in, they'll buy merch, they'll get a soda, we have like a soda machine, they'll get their dirty soda, they'll get their Utah curls, like, it's kind of become like a thing. - Oh, the way the waves you guys do love that so much. - Or the airport, where you guys were with. - The airport signs, when you land, you'll get to see the spot we were in. - Oh, many of us. - I don't have anyone who's, like, let's go to Utah. I know everyone's kind of like everyone. - Every day, we have someone from out of state visiting this one. - Every single day, I'm not kidding. It's crazy. - You are a smart businesswoman that way, because it's like, you gotta keep it going. When people leave a show or something, they're like, no, keep it going. - No, keep it going. - For the free end, for all of it and stuff. - Exactly. - Because Jen's on the new season, is she filming with you guys season six, though, still? - She's been around still. Like, she lives in California now, so it's kind of, like, hit and miss, but she's still in the friend group, she's still in mom talk, so she's like, she went on vacation, with you guys, right? - Yeah, she did. - Yeah, so she'll come around, so you'll see more of that. - The future of "Secularized Mormon Wives," you think, would you do it till season 20? Are you still going to call her? - Oh my gosh. - It's the long haul, are you ever going to retire? - You know what? I don't know, because I love it so much, and it's not just a show, it's like my real friend group, right, like, it's our real lives, and so it's weird to be like, well, I'd leave, because I'm like, but those are my friends, you know? But, at the same time, like, being on reality is hard. Like, it's a lot of life, it's our life, and it's so exposed, and everyone has opinions, so there are times when I'm like, I want to quit, just because it's a lot to have the constant opinions and comments, but then, when you probably can relate to this, like, you see a lot of the hate online, but when you meet the people in real life, it is the best experience to know you can make someone's day by taking a photo with them, like, they cry sometimes, and you're like, what, like, so I love that you can like, help people, and like, with the stories I've shared, they're like, you've helped me with my divorce, so I love that, but I don't know how long, but we'll see how hard it gets, you know? - I think that's what is the best thing, especially for me, is just like, see your honesty about everything. - Thanks. - You're very much like, I've been through two divorces, I'm still in therapy, I'm figuring all this out, I'm dating, I'm this, it's I'm messy, and it's like, the realness is what people want, because everyone's going through that same, a lot of people are going through the exact same thing, and they just want-- - Someone will relate to it. - Exactly, and I think you give, like, so much, like, a port of people, and, you know, and you are, you are inspiring so many people. - Thank you so much. - When you're here, are people recognizing you, and stuff like that? - Yeah, usually. - How do you deal with it? Are you used to it? Is it still like been two years, or are you like, this is weird? - You know, it's still a little weird. Sometimes, I'm more used to it now, but like, I remember the first time, I ever, like, realized our lives were changing. It was maybe two weeks after season one came out, and me and all the girls went to a concert in Salt Lake, and a concert, especially, is like, like, I have been to, like, Jonas Brothers, where, like, they have to get security for me. Like, I just went to Hillary Duthey to get security. Like, because that's, like, if you think about, it's the same audience. If you're going to Hillary Duthey, watch, take your lives. So, I didn't realize, but we all went to a concert together, and it was, like, six of us, and we got mulled, and that was the first time I was, like, oh, like, - This is big. - Yes, and so, from that point on, like, it's just kind of stayed that way, and I'm so grateful, 'cause if we didn't have the fans, we wouldn't have a job, like, we wouldn't have this, but it can, like, sometimes, like, the only time, I, like, get a little, like, weird, is, like, if I'm with my kids, and, like, they're throwing a fit, and then someone's trying to talk to me, and I'm, like, trying to, like, you know, like, it's hard-- - Girl, that just happened to me, I literally say this. - We were in a fancy restaurant in Costa Mesa, like, literally two days ago, it was the Capitol girl. It's my favorite restaurant, too. So, I was, like, Capitol girl. - Oh, so good. - We have one in Salt Lake, yes. - But every time I travel, I hit one, not, I love it. - You know, they're hard to find here. - They are going to the Salt Lake for us. - Yeah. - So, there was one in Costa Mesa, Capitol girl, my favorite. And I was so excited to eat, and then, yes, Elvis, our two-year-old, this is, like, she's in a tantrum face right now. - Would not stop, so I literally, I'm very much like, we have to take her out of here, so I take her out. It's hot. I'm out, kind of, South Coast Plasma Mall, which is, like, this, like, fancy mall. - You're like sweating and, like, she is screaming. I really thought, like, a cop was gonna come and be like, is this your child? - Yes, I've been there, yeah. - I've been there, yeah. - Literally, someone's like, "Trish, can I get a picture?" - Oh, like, she's screaming right now. I can't, I'm so stressed. And I'm just like, "Okay, I was just trying to say, and then you're going to get a TikTok that's, like, she was such a bitch." - I know, that's why I know, when I say what the kids are parking lots, you know, you don't try not to get the hit by a car, and so I'm like, "Yeah, let me just get the kids, it can be a lot." - It's hard, because you want to focus on your child, and it's just, like, an embarrassing situation, so that's a lot. - My son's funny, because he's at the age now, where if someone comes up, and they're talking to me, like, do you want a photo? - I know, like, he'll, like, take him. - I'm like, he's just used to it now. - Malibu gets in the photos. - Oh, my God, I stand up behind me, and he's, like, in the pictures, a moment. - Yes, I was like, "Okay, so that's an interesting thing to navigate." - They know everything about you. - They think they know you, yes, and so in some capacity they do, but you don't know them, so it's just, like, a such a different thing. - It's a different thing. - It's weird, and I think that that's also why reality or, like, influencer, whatever we do, gets so much hate, because they know us in and out, whereas a celebrity is more mysterious, like, "George Clooney, we don't know much about him," right? So it's, like, if I saw him, I would just not even say hi, whereas the people like us, it's, like, they just know us so well from online, and I do love it. Like, the relationship we both are audience is, like, so magical and special, but, like, it can be a lot sometimes, but, you know what my favorite thing is, have you ever gotten a message from someone that's, like, hateful, like, this is what happened to me the other day? I got a really bad, hateful message from someone, then they tagged me in a story, and I met them in person, and they were so nice, and they tagged me in a story, like, "Love you, but right before that, it was hate." - Oh, you see? - So, like, the, you know what, the keyboard warriors, they will say whatever they want online, but to your face, they'll be so nice. - Oh my God, that's actually crazy. - Yeah. - The different, right back, I'm like, "What was up with this message?" I didn't, but I showed up, like, I, I just tried to rise above sometimes, but. - Oh, that's so interesting. Yeah, I feel like also because, obviously, it's only been two years that you're getting the hate in the love at the same time, and stuff, so it can be a lot, it's, like, very crazy. - It's season the season, it's, like, the craziest, I think Michaela's getting a lot now, where a lot of people like her, but they hated her before, it's crazy, the switch up. - Oh my gosh, the internet, like, that is how it is with anything, like, the, the higher you go, the quicker you fall, and like, it's always a back and forth, like, they change their mind so quickly. - It was, like, that for Taylor, we're, like, we're supporting, and then something, yeah, we can't, and then we're, like, "Oh, but it was that, love it." - Yeah, like, it's so, and it's groupthink a lot. - Like, you see an opinion on TikTok, and then it becomes, like, Bible, you know? - That's very true, and you, like, don't know someone and everything of that, so it is very fluctuating, but people, the fans love you guys. You are a massive. This is, like, the biggest show on television right now, which is crazy. - It's crazy, so I hope you stay on for as long as possible, because I think it's, I think it's helping people, too. - Yeah. - The last season was a little messy, but it was only five episodes, so let's hope this redemption isn't. - That's why we attempted it five. - I'm like, let's just move on from this era, and like, the next one will be 10 again, and we'll be good. - Well, we're helping even, even Taylor Franky-Paul, she's like, "You know, you guys are gonna see, she's hanging up those AI pictures of her and Jesus." - Yeah. - And we're like, "All right, girl, we're rooting for you." - Yeah. - Let's get the healing done. - Let's get out of the comment, though. - Yeah, so should we get the-- - All of us, please, please, if you are a Mormon wife, stay out of the comments. - I love this. You are so level-hearted, grounded. - You're so humble, thank you for doing this, I know you did Colorado, I know you're on the biggest show on Who It Is Now. - Oh my gosh, no, this is my dream. - I told you. - Like, I love being here, this is amazing. - I hope I can see you when we come up to Utah, I don't know what you're gonna be doing in a couple weeks. - Texas, seriously, we'll make it work, we're gonna get some Utah curls. - I'm gonna give you a dirty soda, Utah curls. - Yes, all of it, you guys. - Are you going to make Jesse Draper? Well, you said your last name was from within end. - Well, okay, so my married name to Jordan was Naughty Cara, but Draper's my maiden name, so I'm back to Draper. - Okay, yes. - Were you Naughty Cara? - I was Naughty Cara for like the first two seasons, in the fourth season there's a storyline where like I'm telling Jordan I want to go by my maiden name again. - Yeah. - Naughty Cara, I was telling myself there's a million times, I'm like, oh, he was not about it. - No, he was not about it, so. - No, I'm Tricia Peta's, I'm like very much like keeping the name. - That's my native name, and it's like-- - And you started with it. - Yeah. - Yeah, I was like, no, we're gonna, we'd be married, but I'm trying to make this. - When you create a name for yourself, you kind of have to keep it, like even if I got married again, like Jesse Draper Brunette. (laughing) - Who knows, who knows, who knows, but I will always keep Draper, like I have to, it's my name now, so. - You guys, Jesse Draper, just queen of everything, we love you so much, thank you for having me. - I love you guys, check her out. The new season secret lives in Mormon-wise, season five crazy, season six coming, I'm sure season seven's right behind. - Yeah, I'm sure. - I'm sure. - Yes, that's it, thank you so much for being here. - Thank you for having me, this was so fun, you guys. - It's dream, a complaint. - Yeah. - Oh my God, that's crazy. - You did it. - You're the dream. - Thank you so much.