Jessel Taank's War on Fringe (RHONY S16E1 / NG:NYC S2E10)

Given the fashion show with no fashion, it's Hazretful. (upbeat music) - And you came in and you're Herman Munster shoes. - The jealous of what? - You're ugly, let me say it. (laughing) - They're Louis Vuitton shoes, you know? - Hazretful. - No, you're even though you Vuitton makes mistakes. - Hi. - Hi. - Hello. - Hello. - I just want to say that we are reading the notes for the podcast this week in honor of Carol Radswell at a smooth size 147 font so that we can honor her and the legacy that she leaves in the opening moments of the new episode of The Real Housewives of New York City. How are you feeling seeing text the size of a sort of cricket phone you'd give your grandma on screen right now? And this is no shade to grandma's. - It could bring it here to my eye, it did bring it here to my eye many several. I had the distinct pleasure of watching this episode in New York, the city where I do not currently live, but deeply want to live, want to space. - Want to see this? - And the opening bit, I found it so transcendent, so moving, we'll get into the aesthetic that it's giving, but I mean just in short, I didn't know we could be back like this. - No, we're back. - I didn't know that it was possible. - I didn't know that it was possible here on so chic, very chic, the podcast that is recapping every single week Bravo fashion. I am your host, John Summers. Almost at my, I'm your host Taylor Lomax by the way, 'cause I want to be you. That'd be chic. This is my co-host Taylor Lomax drinking a poppy. You refuse to bow to the big poppy cancellation rumors, which is brave of you I think. - Wait, I didn't know that was happening. - What? - Wasn't there like a whole kerfuffle that the probiotic thing was like not real? Olly Popmark safe, by the way. - I mean, girl, I really don't give a fuck. This case good. It was $2 at the-- - You're one. - You're a bigger one. - No, there's this like random as shipping business that sells snacks and drinks, like right on the block of my apartment. I'm like, okay, work. Yeah, well, I'm drinking ice coffee at 4 p.m. because I'm seeing Robin on the sexistential sewer tonight. Like a proper 31 year old millennial woman. So I gotta stay up, you know? I might have as well made this an espresso martini, but we're on a podcast. So I have to be semi coherent. - All the ventures women do? - You know, I feel like that's an album that came and went, unfortunately, much like the Real Housewives of Orange County season 20. It did not linger with me very long, but I am excited to revisit it with her tonight and all of the other 40-year-old gay men I know in Toronto. - I gotta get my ticket. She's here next week. - Yeah, you gotta go. - 'Cause fuck a app. - Fuck a app. You know who else was fucking an app this week? - Well, one Carol Radzevelle. - Google Drive. - With that browser in the woman in the window. - In the window. - Guys, we are recapping this week. Real Housewives of New York season 16 episode one. We are also going to give a brief mention to next gen NYC season two episode 10. And then we have a very, very, very brief cameo of the Real Housewives of Orange County season 20 because there are two looks worth talking about. And would you believe that they are courtesy of Heather DeBro and the kindness of Jennifer Pajante? Taylor, we're back with the Real Housewives of New York City. This has been a hotly contested reboot for the last couple of seasons. It has been something that people have fought over. People have died for it. People have gone to war in the streets and the old guard of the franchise literally had to flee the fighting to Palm Beach. That is how serious things got. They are refugees in Florida at this point on an entirely different network. Where did you stand on the reboot when it happened and where are you on it now going into season 16? - So that's a great question, John Summers. Thank you for bringing that to the table. - I think, listen. Has television really ever been better than Golden Age Rony? - No. - No, I simply don't think so. However, I actually considered the Tinsley seasons, the Golden Era of Rony. Would you believe that? - I support that. I absolutely support that. I think the early seasons, we love scary island, but it really, it really locks in around like what? Like probably, I think around like when Aviva and Carol come in is when it really starts to click into place for me in a big way. - Like Rony was always good and there were a lot of-- - It was not. - It spots, but like seasons two through three happen and then four through six are a huge slog. And then there's seasons like seven to nine and then become unwatchable again, right? Like we have these sort of islands in the stream of the show, which feels very fitting with the reboot now being sort of this isolated pocket that was kind of bad, but is also maybe getting really good now. - I feel very positively about the reboot in its current space. We'll get into the specifics. I also think this was in the grander scheme of the universe a very bad week for OG Rony and like it had a bad showing on Girl Strip between loose like co-grants and the shit on the floor montage that we got in the clip show. Like it was just dark, it was bleak. I also like, I found the Golden Life trailer really to be a kind of a nothing burger. I was just-- - It felt sad. - I was just like, oh, especially for Sonya. I was like, wow, you're just-- - You're just drunk, that's swell. - Yeah, I do not miss the old Rony women. I do not miss Bethany. I do not miss the-- - Well, well. - I do not miss Sonya. I do not miss Durinda or Ramona. In their own ways, if you've watched Girl's Trip, if you've watched their other outings on the traitors, they are ruthlessly delusional to a point that I find it almost like incoherent on television and also just anti-social and not exciting for me. I think that Lou being too inebriated to function in public is like not something that particularly tickles me anymore. Sonya, I think, needs to stop being indulged and people need to stop feeding the fish with her. I don't think that Durinda is a nice or interesting or good person and I could never see Ramona on television again and it would be too soon. So on the grander scheme of things, the Rony reboot is exactly the type of thing that I am looking for. These are women that are still kind of delusional and kind of strivy, but also strivy in that they're trying to be strivers, but also not so locked into characters that it's boring, which I find the old guard to be personally speaking. I think the old guard of all, I mean, they, as has been stated by many other people, they've morphed into caricatures of themselves and it's like, it is almost like the experience of watching girls' show, where it's just like watching them is like watching a clip show. - Yeah. - For inspiration of Disney adults that love bro, it seems like nobody ever metabolized any of the messages of the Toy Story movies where it's like they want to just keep pulling Woody's string and hearing the same six lines repeated ad nauseam. And I don't, I don't want to see that. - I want to see that. - Speaking of lines that keep getting repeated ad nauseam. (laughing) - But J-Men are another story. - I'm not about it. But I feel like the Rony reboot up until now has missed kind of the, I don't love the word, but like the cookiness and like the weird like artistic eccentricities that we're finally getting now, like this season feels very idiosyncratic, a lot of these characters. It feels very stylish in a way that I appreciated. - We have a lot of looks to talk about. Everyone's really, everyone is making interesting decisions. I'm finding, there's a lot to look at. The interesting decisions, and I hate to be like, the best part of old school Rony was, the city was sort of its other main character. But let's talk about it. - But yeah, that the city was very present in this episode. It's not like a, I love New York. It wasn't like that, but it was like the backdrop of them moving around the streets, being in locations. Like I was really compelled by it. I was compelled by the aesthetic choices. And like you said, I think the cookiness of the original where it was like, these are women who are living a life that most of us do not get to live in New York City was missing from the old franchise. Because I think a lot of them were really concerned with how they were coming off. They cast the wrong mix that weren't really jelling. They were all very awkward. And I think the pressure of it being the reboot, like really kind of created an energy vacuum, a lot of the time whereas this one, like bringing in Daisy and Haley feel like the most inspired choices. God, casting has ever made because we'll get to it, but like, Daisy opens her oven and there are boxes of energy bars inside. Like I, and she's, wait, no, those Haley's that's at that, right? It was Haley. Okay. Yeah, I was like, I was like, no, no, no, Daisy walks Martha Stewart past a grocery store or like an all-d pie. Like I, with the big slice taken out of it in the original box with a fork and knife in the box. I was like, thank you. Thank you. Martha Stewart gets naked in this episode. You guys, I don't understand what else we could possibly want for money. So let's just talk about, okay, we get it. We get a look from Carol. So obviously, guys, set up a second episode. So chic. We're so excited to keep doing this. We're gonna really try to adhere to the format of so chic and not chic, very chic in this. We're gonna really try to be like super specific on where we land with each look. We'll make a rating of all the looks and then we can talk about them too. But we're gonna talk about all the fashions. Let's get into it. I have way more IDs this time. I was like way more plugged in. Also like with things like Girls Trip and Next Gen because they're not as popular of television shows and they're for different demographics. Like it was harder to find some of those IDs. Also a lot of the costumey stuff and like the ski apparel on the last Next Gen or the most recent Next Gen was kind of difficult. But this is New York. I know these stylists. I know the showrooms that they're pulling from. It was much easier for me to find a lot of these IDs. -Jellys of what? You're ugly. So we get an opening monologue from Carol in an old school top. It's like a knit sweater with a smiley face on the back. It's this like kind of mustardy yellow with a jean. She has her long beachy wave. She's sitting in the windowsill. She's typing out her monologue. New York City. The city that never sleeps. The city where time stands still and speeds up and we're all racing towards a new destination. A city that wants you to be bold and exciting. It's the only thing it asks of us. And all you have to do is bring yourself to the party. She's sitting there typing in size 124. font with her reading glasses on. I think that this look was so chic. It's so chic. This like Stoner Kerry Bradshaw fantasy that she is giving me. I, oh my god, I died. I could die. Have you been following her substagn post like Jeffrey and me post that she's been doing where it's like the true story of my relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or whatever. Like, oh, no, sorry. John, I think it's it would think it was like Kennedy and me. There's something that she's on a substagn journey. The Epstein files. Yeah, she's like doing the Epstein files on her substagn. And I just like picture her writing like her Gilaean Manus Pesto's in this windowsill for those of you who aren't watching along. She sat in this like windowsill with like a very plush cushion and the floral wallpaper. She has a marble fireplace. It's very like the apartment that Kerry moves into at the end of an just like that. And all I could think about was her iconic line to jewels in I think season eight or season nine when they are in Bluestone Manor and they're hiding in the closet because everyone's fighting in the kitchen slash dining room. She turns to jewels and she goes, do you see wallpaper on the inside of the closets? That's the mark of a very wealthy person. And that's when I was thinking of looking at her wallpapered windowsills. But no, this look is so chic. It's like a $200 top. It's a British label kind of streetwear, youth adjacent, which makes a total sense considering she's like hosting poetry readings at McDonald's with that one actor Lucas Gage. You know, like this is very like, oh, this is Lucas's top. He let me borrow it. You know, he got it. By the way, is that actually is that actually happening? No, she, we wrote across the finger over the mouth. I think we ran a story on that poetry reading at the magazine. I used to work for it. It was like Adam McDonald's for his new book or something and she was there. You know, Carol, she's got six summers left and we add one at the end of every summer. I won. I need, I mean, I need, I need more Carol, but I was really, I was really, really happy with just everything about this. It was, it was magical. I loved the way that this is kind of introducing her as like this kind of like ethereal, like celestial force, like presiding over all of the proceedings. Yeah, like this is a story she's telling us, like this season is a thing she's, right? This is carry on her novel. This is magical. But like modern, if it wasn't historical fiction, if it was this very like, you know, like modern current, you know, what is New York currently fantasy? I'm, I'm picturing, I love that. The woman, the woman for the woman, yeah, being auto fiction instead of historical fiction. Oh my god, like, like Bushwick, the woman. Okay. If the woman was one of the real housewives of New York City, which of them are the woman? Yeah, let's wake this up all time or currently or no currently on this current franchise. Who is the woman? Jussell, you think Jussell's the woman? I think Jussell's the woman. Okay. Okay. Who do you think the woman is? I was going to say I was going to make a bold swing. I think Haley's the woman. Well, okay. Well, I think Haley has the woman potential. I think I am watching this. That's funny. The woman. But no, I agree. It's Jussell. We don't get it. Jussell's story so far. Yeah, it's just a story so far. We don't get a confessional from Carol. So we're going to move on to Si who had a big fashion showing this particular episode. She comes out in some very expensive clothing, some that we'll get to now, some that we'll get to later in some of the group scenes. But the big look for her in this particular episode is a Harry Winkle blue, very powdery, very, very modern looking. And I say that not necessarily as a compliment, magda butrium top that retails for $1500. It has like a mock neck. It has a applique that's sort of like a twisted flower or like an organ that's been bleached in the sun on her breast. She's not wearing a visible bra, but obviously she clearly is wearing one, but it is like a light enough shade that it doesn't show through the top. That does look very sheer. It's a three quarter sleeve or sorry, a quarter sleeve, which I don't love. Like it's like the one I hate the sleeve. It's not, it doesn't go to the elbow, but it could go to the elbow, you know, which is just it's a tough look. She has her hair pulled back very minimal styling, but extremely visible blush, which I think is an interesting choice. She has the arm cuff, something that we told you guys to watch it for last week. We are big, big, big in chunky silver, arm cuff, neck cuff territory currently at the time of their styling these confessionals across Bravo. I'm going to say this look not chic, not chic. This is not chic. This is not chic. There's there's a deflated balloon on her chest like it literally. That's what I was, that's what I was reaching for is the like butt end of a balloon. It looks like you could, you know, it, but it looks like balloon hole. And they're one they call it elephant hole or something where it makes that noise. I actually am not going to try to make the elephant noise. They're children here. And yeah, and I remain a Christian, a good Christian woman. I actually climbed her background to be way more chic than what she's actually wearing. Oh, yeah. This couch is gorgeous. It's very like me that is cocaine lounge behind her. You know, like very like stone interior. She's got a glass table. Yeah. Oh my god. She's shaped like bodies. You know, we, it's a chic background. She not very chic. I'll say it. Yeah. It's just, it's, it's tough. I really, I like the color on her that I'll be nice. I'll say I do really like that color on her. And you know, I have been a victim of a bold blush. Probably you have to as you wear blush mostly every day. I'm assuming, right? Yes. Of course, day and day out. My, no, I don't, I need to get more in my, I need to experiment more with makeup. I think it would serve me a bold blush. It's a lot can work. But I will say to people, we have to start asking for our stylists to adhere to color theory because if you're going to go for an extremely bold gem toned blush, like a super bright ultra rosy blush with this like beautiful pink lip. Like her glam is very beautiful. You cannot wear a cool neutral color. It makes you look like you're wearing clown makeup. And I'm not saying that side looks like a clown. She's extremely beautiful. But it is like a clash. I think that is emphasizing maybe my distaste for the top. Would you agree? Yeah. I think you nailed it. Everything else is so understated. Yeah. Like, you know, it's a, there's no. I should. shadow, like situation going on, just like everything is very nude and beautiful and she can simple. And then this is just aggressive, I can't stop thinking about blue knots moving on. I mean, that's what it is. Moving on. I will just say very quickly in the real world. So as we are doing that sort of opening montage with Carol, Si is like pounding and pumping the streets. Waving into her door, man, she lives in Manhattan now, she's a New York City woman, and she is wearing the most like I am a woman walking around New York City outfit that won't possibly wear, you know, which is I want to, I just want to take everyone a moment to guess what you think that outfit is. I'm going to give you guys three seconds to say it out loud to this podcast. Lightwashed denim brown leather trench coat, boom, and rose tinted aviators, boom. Looking downward, one foot in front of the other, she's stepping into the future. The city just asks her to be bold. I'm going to think about that line delivered by Carol in a breather whisper for basically the rest of this podcast's existence. Um, no, I will say I find size daytime realness to be really nice. That's actually like she's good styles herself well for what she is, which is like a lifestyle influencer. I think where we get into trouble is when she tries to elevate that. I think that there was like a bowl cut from what I'm remembering last season in the confessional booth to where I was like, where have you been led astray and was this your choice? Was there a gun involved at some point in the styling of this? So either she needs to file her stylist or she needs to actually hire a stylist one or the other. Daytime looks, I think she looks beautiful here. I think she looks so fresh and cool like she totally fits the bill of a real house with New York City. Yeah, I think she looks fierce, fierce, fierce honey. So I would say that this is very chic, very chic. I'll give her a very chic. I'm happy to give her a very chic, yes, I, and you came in and you're herming monster shoes. Um, there are Louis Vuitton shoes, you know, even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. So I really want to briefly talk about Martha Stewart, who plays a major role in the episode. We get two Martha Stewart outfits, okay? We get a just a everyday neutral glamour look as she arrives to Daisy's apartment. Also, by the way, I know that like rating job professions is not in necessarily the purview of this podcast, but my God, the steward arriving personally to your apartment as a makeup artist to get her makeup done whenever she needs is very chic to me to me. Oh, Daisy. Very chic. And I mean, for someone, for her to be someone that Martha goes to and it's like, I want to look better than all the girls of this party, like to have that kind of relationship with her. Nothing could be chic or that is the chicest profession that you could have. Yeah. She's like, here's to the ladies who lunch and like Daisy's like pounding on them foundation. I'm like, wow, did you send, did you mean that New York Times article, I say? Yeah. The real tutorial today is about JFK junior about John by the way, doing Martha Stewart's makeup in your tiny two bedroom apartment with a box store apple pie half eaten on your counter while she tells you that she tried to warn JFK junior not to get in the plane two days before he crashed it. So chic. No, it was the Monday before the Friday, right? It was the Monday before the Friday. Guys. So chic. So chic. Very chic. The chicest. Yeah. My God. Martha arrives in a cowl neck top long sleeve in a like a very relaxed pant. I would say very chic. What do you think? Very chic. I love the way her hair is not done, but it's done. Like it is just swept ever so it's a little, it's a little you say Miyaki. It's a little, you know, it's a little combed egg our zone. It's very like, oh, I'm just a really like neutral glamour woman with a high art fetish love now. And then she put, oh my God, and then the torture started then the torture started. Okay, so she arrives looking rich, rich, expensive, fabulosity. And then she emerges from Daisy's daughter's bedroom wearing a pastel yellow pussy bow, pussy bow blouse top with matching trousers and a suit jacket and snake skin monoloblonic pumps. Not chic, not chic, it is striking. I was like, I was like, okay, I actually mean this with all love to them and all hate to Martha. You know the like real estate dolls in Texas, those two real estate agents that are trans. This is something that they would wear in one of their videos, hawking like a McMansion in Austin to me. Yeah, yeah, as as a southerner, this is very familiar to me, this exact fantasy, what job fantasy does this give you? Because there's another one that comes to mind, a job fantasy, like what woman is wearing this suit? Who is buying this down at the blouse barn? You know, I think she man, she's like the manager at a country western bar to me. Oh, she runs it like the Navy. Aha, you know, not Leva, who's the weird woman that Leva hires in season two of Southern Houses? Oh, never see again. What was her name? But you know who I'm talking about, right? Of course. By the way, you were just at, you were just at Republicans. I just went to Republic Garden in Lounge and girl, they got me fucked up. I didn't see anybody know it was like a Sunday afternoon, I was just killing time before a flight, I had to catch. DJ Maddy Restonning. And parents? DJ Maddy Restonning not making an appearance. No, it was just, it was just two boys working. I think one of them was this very pretty gay boy that I'm like, watching this space for if he's going to be on a new season. He seems like someone they would want. Yeah. Okay. Watch the space. Well, I was going to say she looks like a news anchor. And this is very, oh, well, it is very, it's very news. It's very prairie news anchor and she's here to tell you that they have a very cute video to show you of a Chihuahua finding its owner's lost keys in a park at a daughter's fifth birthday party or something, you know, like, and then that's you by top of where. And they show the video and then she looks at her coworker and she said, now, wasn't that nice? You know, like, it's just, it's going to be so hard these days. And it's just nice for things to be nice. Don't you think? Okay. Now, speaking of the torture, I have to let you guys know this next look. I spent what was probably four hours attempting to ID this. And no matter what I attempted, this garment defies logic, explanation, it defies reason, it defies order, it defies any known combination of words that could possibly be constructed in the human language and all known languages in the entire universe in perpetuity forever. I'm speaking of Jussell and I'm speaking of her very brand new, very brand new confessional look. I've spoken too much already, Taylor, I want you to try to attempt best you can to without actually explicitly stating what it is, describe this outfit to the listener. She is, she's, so she's a cocktail waitress, I'm going to go ahead and start there. She is a cocktail waitress, but she's not of this world. She's on perhaps another planet or at least something with a vaguely sci-fi bent to it. She's a cocktail waitress, but she has to perform later. And she's performing in, she's performing in a jukebox musical rendition of the Odyssey. She's Penelope. I just reminded of Michael Cors, she's a stewardess in the Republic of cocktail land. No, can I tell you what I have immediately thought of, she's, she's a passenger on a bus in the fifth element. Why? I, I, I cannot begin. I cannot begin. And by the way, for you guys, if you want to see all of these looks, please go to so chic very chic dot substalk.com. You have them all posted there, but this look is both, bohemian and aerodynamic, it looks functional. Yeah. It's, it's very like, it's bohemian. Kimian and aerodynamic. Okay, I'm gonna attempt to describe this outfit. Now, go for it. There is a structured shoulder, the kind that they do on drag race, you know, the like pointy armored power ranger shoulders. So we've got that going on, but they're layered. So it's like a layered structured shoulder, sort of like the gills of a fish, right? Like she's a leather, she's a white leather fish with gills on her shoulders. And then it's a crop top with a matching pant, skirt, TBD, but from the gills are, it's a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, by the way. So we like basically are cut down to the belly button. So she has these structured shoulders and then from the structured part are these dangling fringes that are connected from one shoulder to the other that loop all the way down to her pussy. There's about 30, 40 of them in this like sort of white, leather fabric. She has a fierce, fierce bob that's also sort of messy, right? Like it's like a Gracie Abrams bob with a Zoe Deschanel bang. And no jewelry except those like big chunky like dome, like button like earrings, you know, the kind that are like this is a big gem, but it's also kind of chic. She's giving an order in a sci-fi movie where you get plastic surgery that makes you stupid to get them henchmen to like be escaped ugly duckling that's going to join the revolutionary army that brings down the Republic of Hot People, right? Like she's a, she's an arms dealer in a children's movie about the Hunger Games or something. You know, like there's, there's something here that sci-fi, but also a little Bohemian, it's odd, it defies logic in a truly fascinating way. It has, you know, this is a lady who, she virtue signals to the robots. She's overly like the robot. When the little guys come to deliver her food, you know the little robots that deliver the food. She's overly thankful to them. She's like really projecting her love and compassion, but only for the robots, and never. - The robots finally turn. She's like, "No, get away from me." I'm like, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry." - That's rude. - Direct, like straight down the barrel of the camera, like gasp, hand over a mouth. Yeah, that's her. - Now, I found her to be very relatable because she goes from dressing like this to wearing a relaxed, straight leg boot cut stone wash gene and costs blazer. That is described as a tan, no neck, camel, suede, blazer from costs, $470, and a sock heel in a matching tan. I just thought that was nice. What did you think of this look? Okay, so the first one, by the way? - So chic. - So chic. (laughing) - I mean, how long did we spend talking about it? - So chic. - So chic. - This second look? - Not chic. - It's me when I wear the outfit that makes me learn about size divorce. - Okay, it's very real nice. She knew that this scene was not about her. She was tipped off about that. So I was like, I want you to come over and I'm going to drop some exposition. - And she said, got it, I have a cost blazer that I just picked up at the mall for just the occasion. I just, by the way, cost, just because of what it is, the fact that I can shop at costs, it's this brought her back to earth after the sci-fi realness in a way that I'm like, she is, you're right, the woman. She is absolutely the woman, her and her regift in candle from Christmas. - So I am immediately going, is this a regift from Christmas? It's fine. Even Zen's side is like, nope, nope, I'm going to clock it. - I'm going to clock it, by the way, then being best friends, iconic now. At the very end of the episode, we're back. We're actually never been this back before because she hosts a Chinese New Year deemed party that is like kind of a zodiac themed. She is wearing a Norma Kamali crop top turtle neck, long sleeve jersey shirt with Manolo Blonic shoes, costume burgundy leather or pleather. Let's be real gloves that go up to her elbows and an AKNVAS taffitist skirt that retails for about $900 after tax, which chopsticks in her hair. - Very chic, there. I mean, she says it herself. I think when Daisy and her man come in and they're in black and she goes, I knew all the chic people were going to go in black. I was like, oh my God, these gloves are fucking ridiculous. I cannot, I'm obsessed with her. - I could try. - Very chic. - Very chic. I tried to ID the gloves. Now she tagged the Frankie shop, which is like a brand that comes up a lot this episode. She tagged Norma Manolo, the Frankie shop and the AKNVAS taffitist skirt. I'd already ID those other things, but I couldn't figure out what exactly was coming from the Frankie shop, which makes me think it was the gloves because they do sell gloves. They just couldn't, they didn't find these particular gloves from them, but I found a bunch of other ones across the internet that are like $18, $20, which I think is so awesome for. - I wanted to, I wanted to be serving chat GPT. I want you to find me red leather gloves. And chat GPT is like, yes, Jessel, I found these ones that slay boots mama and she goes, do you hear that puppet? These gloves slay boots chat GPT says, I'm literally going to be so, she got this party. - Meanwhile, he's spending an hour making butter noodles. - He's filming, he's filming in the corner and he's like, today I'm going to try the new Grillo Pickle sandwich from shit fuck sandwiches on the lower east side. And she's like, Pavette, be quiet. Please, ah, come with me. I don't want to be the Grays. I'm trying to fix your puppet. Like the VIP list. - Pavette was recording like an over-eager video of him with a suitcase walking into a Delta lounge. Pavette filming himself front-facing style to explain why he got kicked out of the US open for hosting his credentials online. So yeah, I love this look. I think it's so stupid that she basically hosts an astrology-themed party to call Erin a snake and then also wears a look that again mix her look like the bad evil woman in a Nickelodeon sci-fi children show. Like, what is that? What's that look? I conjured this up on my other podcast, but you know, like the pajama sleepy time town or whatever. - Oh, she's so lazy town. - It's a very lazy town. - Yeah, it's very lazy town. - Let me just lazy town his drag. - It is drag. It is drag. - She's doing drag. I love it. Oh my god. - My god, love. Okay. - Very chic. - Very chic. - You want to talk about ladies? - Yeah. - No matter how many. - Chanel's you borrow. You will never ever be a lady. - Okay, who do we have next? Take us away. - I don't know a better person than this next reason. - No, no, no, no, no. - She is the mother that anyone would want. The friend that everyone should have this. This ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the state. Haley mother fucking glassman. (sighs) - Oh my god. - How aware were you of the John and Kate plus eight stuff? Like you were alive, right? - I was alive, I was aware vaguely that it was happening. I had watched sporadically John and Kate plus eight. I grew up in South Carolina, so TLC was high culture. But I didn't have a super finger on the pulse of what was happening. - You were like voting age like I was when they were getting divorced. (laughs) - No, I was elementary school age. - Scary. - No, so Daisy's here with a head transplant and a Kate leather jacket there. - Haley, you just called her Daisy. - I know, I swear I said Haley. - I swear to God you said Daisy, and I think this is the second time you've done this. (laughs) - Okay, well, Haley. - Anyway, leather coat button to the top. - Top. - Leather coat, trench coat, button to the top. She's sitting here looking like, honestly, kind of like a bad bitch if I'm being honest. - She looks like WWE Deba. Back when those were still a thing that they called them. - Oh my God, yeah, she looks, this is why, I think Carmella thinks she's giving. - Speaking of WWE Deba, you mean "Rock of Love"? (laughs) She is, you do not want to cross this woman. She is, I would, this is the kind of woman that, you know, she walks into the room and just everyone shakes. - Yeah, this is it. - The room quakes. This is the $3,500 Kate Leather jacket that makes John Gosling cheat on his wife and break up their family of eight children. Did you see that apparently they are still friendly, him and the new wife and her? - I can't talk about it. - That's too dark. - I can't stare back in this space. I will also say-- - This is the Leather jacket that makes that happen. - That's the Leather jacket that makes that happen. So she's an 11-year marriage for sure. She has a new girlfriend that she's not introducing to the husband. She does fuck women. We learned that at one point, a girl was strapping her so hard that one of her double D implant breasts broke her nose and then we get no follow-up from that. She delivers this news in a two-parter outfit. She shows up in the real world. By the way, this look, I'm actually gonna be real, not chic. And do you know what it is for me? I want you to guess why this look, this Kate look is not chic. - Why the Kate look is not chic for you? - I think you think it's not chic because as we see throughout the episode, it is not her. That is my, this doesn't feel true to her. - Yeah, absolutely. - Why do you-- - It's the hair. It's the hair. - Well. - Well, it's extension. So you can see, let's teach you a lesson here. So sometimes guys, you're gonna walk into a salon and they're gonna say, hey, Missy with the warm highlights and the honey blonde and the, you know, sort of earthy brown roots, can we give you ashy blonde 32-inch keratin tip extensions? And what you have to do when that happens to you, is hold a gun in the air and fire it off four to six times. And an even number is really important, right? 'Cause an odd number leaves room for doubt about what's happening, but an even number is exact. It means you mean business. And I need you to say to everybody in your shot, put those 32-inch ash blonde keratin tips extensions away and give me something that don't make me feel something fucking real. There's a fire alarm going off in the back and we're not even cutting this because that's how important this is to hear. Okay, that's how important this is to hear. Does that happen to you before? The way you locked in for that. (laughing) No, please. My husband. Gun and all, please. Extend the way that. Oh my God, there's so-- We have almost the art of extensions. They do not blend. Her hair is beautiful. Her hair is natural, it's healthy. It's silky, it's satiny. It has a beautiful finish. And then she has just hung straw from the ends of it. Is what it looks like. You can so blatantly obviously see exactly where her hair ends and they begin. It is, yeah, it's heinous. It's really distracting. Yeah, that's terrible. I was engaging with that on more of like an ethical, like what it says about her soul. Well, what it says about her soul is that she shows up in her very first scene in the real world in an outfit that I'm dubbing so chic. She has-- I'm dubbing it very chic. Per caps hugely expensive like thousands and thousands of dollars worth of fur and Balenciaga shield glasses, so chic, so chic. This is so stunning. If you think about like the life art of housewifeery and that she knows, okay, this is how I'm going to be and introduce to the world stage. And what I want to do is be wearing this insanely fabulous opulent fur sunglasses, which we find out later or a huge thing for her. She says she has the sunglasses fetish. Yes. And she has a little cabinet just with all of them. And she's rollerskating around the city, Barry Kelly-Colour and Ben Simone in the best way, the best parts of Kelly, smoking a joint. Just out-- she-- this is very chic. I love it. She's having a great time. Yeah, I love this look. And I also got to say the fact that we immediately see her from this into a alloyoga, like 47 necklace, like a yoga pant hitched up her pussy crack with the like second apartment she lives in until she hates her husband with the power bars and the fridge and all of it, I was dying. I hear it was at it. She's suddenly a mother of two. Yes, she suddenly, she doesn't participate in PTA things, but she sends enough money that no one really makes a stink about it, like, and she shows up every so often. And she's always dressed precisely like this. Yeah, she looks like an enemy on Wisteria Lane in a reboot that's probably not happening with desperate housewives. Oh, my God, could you imagine? What could you imagine? Now, I just wanted to briefly talk about, by the way, this look, not chic. Not chic at all. And also, looks like a completely different person. Like, in every single one of these looks, like, this is where I was getting confused. She looks like a different person every time I see her. I can't-- Yes, I did like-- I have face blindness, specifically for Haley Glassman, because then we get her very, very chic old school photo at John Goslin, where she has the honey blonde on top with the dark brown underneath, which was all the rage back then, right? Because you would, your hair and you would see this dark, dark, dark brown underneath all this blonde, with also, again, shields on glasses, a champagne glass, and pearl buttons on an aquamarine top. I died, I died with a visible one, I died. Rock of love. This is rock, I mean-- This is rock of love. This is, I mean, her shirt is very Jeff probed, like a survivor of fish. [LAUGHTER] Cute way. She is-- the dream of 2009 is so present here. I feel optimistic about the world looking at this look. Yes, I love it. I love it. I want to go to there. OK. Wow. This next one, Ms. Daisy. Ms. Daisy. Ms. Daisy. Oh, cool. It's not too much to write home about. I really feel like it's super sad what we see of her apartment in the back, because her actual apartment is very small. Like in her confessional Haley looks like she lives in a palace. And in her confessional, Daisy looks like she lives in a shoe box, which I found to be kind of rude. She looks like she lives in literally a hotel room. This is ridiculous. In battery park. Oh, my God. Daisy. Also, like, she looks like Lori Grunier here. Like, everything about this is just Lori Grunier. I can't. So this look-- It's a wardrobe NYC top. If you've ever been to Nordstrom, you've seen it on a rack. It's a cowl. It's like a kind of like a shawley type neck. I wouldn't call it a cowl, but it's like a very fitted top. But then the front of it is super drapey and not fitted. She has these big chunky earrings, no visible bracelets. I do actually really like her glam. Like, she obviously knows it. Oh, the glam. Her hair is like so soft and silky, but this look is not chic. It's not chic. I'll say it's not chic. She's really not going to be a confessional warrior, and I'm accepting that. It's not chic. It's so business. It is. Oh, my God. Like she's really about to like, she looks like she's about to like try to pitch me on something like AI company. This is ridiculous. I can. I'm going to say, I'm going to say clearly that I do think that she is unfortunately going to probably suffer from influencer brain, brand brain, where she's coming on the show with like a very clear vision of who she is and how she's going to sell herself and how she's going to be popular online. And I worry about that. I'm not necessarily saying that it's like the very worst thing in the world. I'm just saying it's something to watch out for. By the way, that she has styled herself in these looks. Does that make sense? Yeah. It's very of a piece with like the Alex Earl fantasy. It feels very, I mean, it's very like TikTok business coach. It's very, yeah, it's very TikTok business coach. It's a little like, and that's kind of, I guess, girl boss 2.0 if you think about it. It's very tickens. Yeah, it's very cool. I mean, Laurie Grenier, honey. And it's, you know, I expect that from New Roanie. Yeah. That's kind of what I'm used to. And part of why I'm like loving Haley so much. But I will say that Daisy, I've seen a lot of chaos from her and like, you know, the way that she, like the way my jaw dropped when she said scores. The way my jaw dropped famously, because obviously, you know, that's the, that's the hustler's club scores is. They love that her inside worked its course. I gagged. I got, I was like, oh my God. And so that, you know, she has enough going on that I hope that she is able to lead into the personality of it all more than her. But she does, she has potential for influencer brain in a really scary way. Okay, and loving the sunglasses. I just, you know, 25,000. Yeah, that's right. next we have the cast photo. And I want to get through some of these cast looks in the cast photo because there's a lot here to talk about so Let's just go from left to right and then we'll give our rankings at the end and we'll just go one after the other So I'll read first and you just read what's next so first up We have Erica who we haven't gotten to yet, but we will in a rice of Vanessa mini dress It's like a gold shimmery dress. That is something that Megan draper would wear in the back half of Mad men it has a cut out for her belly button with like a structured sort of Applicate around it. This retails for $3,600 Next up we have the woman jussle in a look that Joan did not ID. I could not find the ID for it And it's probably for the best good not ID. She has her Kim Kardashian bob today. It is slicked back Tight it has a little bit of a almost like a cartoony and to it perfectly caught into place and she is wearing this Gold beaded gown. She continues to look like a supervillain It the bead is About like what is that like her upper thigh it Transitions into a fringe that looks to be floor length. It's like a nude gold and I'll just like Blenson. Oh, God is she has these bright red nails. I guess because we're doing the apple. I just click Jesus Christ Bright red or if they've just turned that color because of the gold filter that they've put over the photo But whatever is happening is I don't like it. I like it Size in a city green evening gown that is these gold rectangles on mesh It's a very classic look. It's like something you could imagine Bob Mackie making for share The designer for this makes custom evening wear and he says that he's available and I think it was Neiman Marcus But I couldn't find any proof of that anywhere. So TBD. I couldn't get a retail on it But I'm assuming it's a couple thousand. She looks fine. I think that this is the best we have seen her look This particular episode and we'll continue to be the best we have seen her look this episode Next we have Carol now. What's Carol wearing this killed me by the way? Carol Carol is wearing a nine con dress that she does not seem to particularly like or feel good in She looks miserable. It is a leopard print Mini dress with a structured skirt For some reason and it is so many It is it could not be more many and her hair is oh there's this also like there's a Black belt in the middle of it that is she's added by the way that is not part of the look I did find a stress and there is no black belt Oh Carol honey that belt is It is It's in the uncanny like it's too big to where it like it does draw attention It can't just be functional, but it's not big enough to be anything It's just no this look can I tell you it's so like 2008 Sadie Hawkins dance most awkward girl in your eighth grade class made her mom go and buy her The cheapest Betsy Johnson dress they could afford at the mall by the way I was this girl just And her mom said it's a little too racy and she said don't worry mom I'm going to put a belt with it and then she did and her mom Who is very nice and super supportive of the daughter her journey her the of the daughter her journey is going on of the journey her daughter is going on Said okay honey now. Let me put your hair up and out of your face so it doesn't get sweaty And she said but mom my hair is so beautiful. Can I at least have something at the front two little strands perhaps and her mom said okay fine Now just remember to take Abigail's mom's landline and call me when you get home okay and tell her no staying up after 10 and she goes okay mom but like I'll let you know okay. We might go to Denny's buy Okay, by the way this dress $4,500 next up is Daisy in a Jenny Packham dress Jenny packham another big player on this episode Lots of Jenny packham across the board $5,000 dollars. It is an Oscar's dress. I mean, that's like the best you can say it is tinsel It is beaded. It is gold. It is shimmering. It is metallic. She has been literally wrapped in party city tinsel I like it. I like it, but I'll save my thoughts for when we do the final roundup who's next Next up we have my close-in personal friend Erin Miu-Litchie in She has a white button to go on that she is metallic today she's I guess she heard that jussle was giving sci-fi and she was like I want to do that too. I can do that better So she's the cyborg she has a metallic what it looks like a corset or something under this is insane And then she is wearing a $2,000 ribbon skirt That is a bunch of metallic circles that are hanging and catching the light in just the worst way She looks like a cyborg had to pretend to be a schoolteacher and then the cyborg overlords were like How do we make this cyborg look like a schoolteacher? And they said I know let's put a white button up on her But then she's but then the cyborg was self-aware enough to know that she didn't like the way that the shirt was sitting And so she said can I at least tuck it in And they let her The white pump is what kills me like just the the white Stella McCartney pump I'm assuming is what kills me But also it's very like you know when you're a little kid and your mom is like away and you're with the babysitter And you like go into your mom's closet and you're like I'm gonna dress up like my mom today And so I meant a doll Yeah, you're you put on like a skirt that's too big and her like Work shirt and her heels and you're standing there like the the cuffs and sleeves of this shirt By the way you guys you can't tell but they're too long they're like both past the end of the skirt Which is high-waisted to be clear. It's a mini But also like brushing the ends of her fingertips So it's a little like you know Ariana Grande wearing her sleeves too long So it's like she literally looks like a little kid that tried to get dressed up for an adult for the day It kills me. Next and last is Haley in a Sabina mosaic of dress She literally I think got this on Farfetch for $400. It's gold. It's lame. You've seen it before She's bronze to the gods. She has way too much hair in her head Okay Let's just go left to right. Let's just quickly say chic or not chic Erica not chic not chic jessle Not chic not chic shy shy shy Very chic. Okay for a so chic Carol not chic I almost want to say very chic but it's not chic Daisy I would give this also a so chic So chic Aaron Not chic not chic Haley the least chic anyone has ever been Yeah, not chic. She looks good. I won't lie, but no Okay, and then last but not least we have one last group shot to get through This was at jessle's astrology party I want to focus on sigh and Erica Daisy has on a white button up dress that is really like nothing to write home about but she looks beautiful So that's that she looks chic not so chic not very chic. She just looks chic Erica Tom Ford dress it is one of their snake skin dresses. There's snake skin metallic minis where it has a scoop back a little bit high in the front It has pleading across the bust with a gathered waist long sleeve It's a very tom Ford outfit if you have seen a tom Ford dress You've seen this one. She has little strands and a gathered bun sigh is in a Jersey knit sports max dress with a layered sequin and a cowl neck lots of cowl next this episode. It's a mini dress long sleeve It's the kind of sequin for the listener where if you brush your hand over it it like gets all bunched up It's like been layered like fish scales my least favorite kind of sequin So I just got to say Erica. We got like two seconds of her I need two less seconds of her. I do not find this outfit chic. I do not like it. She looks like she is on the real Housewives of Dallas at a charity gala. She does not look like a chic New York City woman I do not believe her. I immediately got bad vibes from her. I do not trust this lady And I do not trust the way that she puts herself together that said this I mean that's probably like a thousand dollars I mean the thing that we know about her is that she's married to a tech billionaire And had a very apparently high profile wedding. I don't know. I didn't hear about it by a pyramid that just I was oh yeah the ejection pyramids So I'm at the Katy Perry Nile river bank rebrand event in front of the geese of pyramids. Oh my god I was invited to that event. And you didn't go. And I didn't go. Having principles, I don't find either of these kind of things. I mean, I don't find either of them chic. I also, I mean, it's just so literal to get the invite for the Chinese New Year event. That is not even celebrating the year of the snake. It's actually celebrating the end of the year of the snake. So I don't know why both of them clearly had-- they were like, oh, like, you know, size isn't snake skin, but that's what she wanted to evoke clearly. It was like a snake skin fantasy. I don't know why their minds went there. On top of being so literal, it's just like not correct. I do like, though, that they both have the exact same interpretation of the thin finger strands of hair with the gathered bonnet that back in a sequin dress. Like, I find it funny that they both independently arrived at the exact same outfit. They share one brain cell, clearly. And also, this isn't in this photo, but I just want to talk from one about the deeply structured coat that Si wears before going into the function. Yeah, I almost threw something at the television. It was-- it's the type of thing. Thank God we didn't have to see it for more than, like, 5, 10 seconds. But it's going to haunt me. I screamed. Yeah. Bad. But yeah, neither of these are chic. I will say I think Erica's is, you know, obviously a better garment than size, but I don't like either. No. Yeah, I did not love it. I legitimately did not love it. Not chic, either of these. And Erica said she rented this, right? Yeah, she rented this, which I find very funny. Considering the whole billionaire thing. Right, it was like, what? Anyway, Erin is wearing-- Yeah, we've-- no, no, Erica rented her look, excuse me. Oh, not Erin. No, no, no. I thought we were pivoting to Erin. Oh, yes. Erin did-- wait, wasn't it Erica that said she rented it? Erica rented the look and thought. Anyway, Erin is dressed like she's in a modern dance number set in an office. Yeah. This is-- Erin is dressed like she is in-- I'm trying to think she's dressed for like a Tape McCray music video or something. It's so weird. It's like a little bit like our teacher was on the mood board a little bit with like the very painterly, like smocky kind of thing going on. It's so strange. And I think she looked in her jewelry box and found a couple of necklaces all tangled and said, I'll have all of them. And she-- and no rhyme or reason. And then on top of all that, we're going to do an Olsen tuck. Don't really know why, but we're going to-- We're going to do an Olsen tuck. OK, so she is in a Frankie shop shirt that is a like pinstripe blue with a very, very wide collar on button to the navel with sleeves rolled up, 47 rings on, watch on layered necklaces, really severe speaking of Kate Goslin, Kate Goslin Bob, and if you guys are kidding. I'm actually not kidding. It is a A-line Bob that is so wild to look at with short red nails, red lipstick, a lot of bronzer. It's a tough look. It's a tough look. The Frankie shop shirt is $200. And those necklaces, you would be correct in identifying them as attempting to be Chanel. They are actually $40 Zara necklaces, bringing the total of this outfit to probably around $275, which I found very funny, considering the iconic up five armchair from B&B Italia, which is a very iconic armchair. You guys have seen it where it's like kind of a bulbous arm chair with like a spherical ball ottoman attached to it in a sort of bright red stripe. It's designed by Guy Tono Pesco. I think it's Pesci. I actually don't speak Italian apologies, but I did work at a luxury furniture showroom that was next door to a B&B Italia showroom that sold this. And it was like their number one seller. If you're like rich, you own this armchair, because it's like sort of weird and fun. And it shows people you have a personality, like those awful Bohemian floor cushions that everyone had in the pandemic, and all the influencers bought to show off and like lounge on their floors in. It's very that. But for like slightly wealthy New York women and like tech millionaires in San Francisco, I hate this look. It is not chic. It is not chic. It's not chic. And I really, you know she thought that this was her like crazy artsy room. Like there's this lake. What is this painting on the wall behind her? I mean, there's these royal purple couches. This nothing about this room makes a lick of sense, except. Like she thinks this is her like Julio Torres moment, like architecture design wise. That's what she thinks that she is doing. Like I'm so crazy. Woohoo. I hate all of it. Not chic. And then she's also in this wrinkled Vivian Westwood dress. Okay. Vivian Westwood is wrinkled sometimes. That is just like what happens. But this is not wrinkled in the way that Vivian Westwood dresses are wrinkled. This is wrinkled in you rented this on pickle from a girl that makes more money than you somehow. And it showed up in a garment bag that you had ruffled on your uber that you changed into. It is a beautiful dress that she looks very bad in. So it's a mini dress that is a very iconic Vivian Westwood shape where it's an off the shoulder with a sort of asymmetrical look. It has like a sort of corseted waistline and that it's like very like structured and gathered. And it does that thing in the front where it like arches down into a V that then the skirt kind of falls off of. And the skirt also asymmetrical pleated both directions across the front. And it kind of is like a high low moment but also a low high moment on the sides. Like it's very like Vivian Westwood chaos in the red signature to the theme. It clearly was like she said show up in like black, golden red and everyone obliged. Not chic. And can I say what I think is the least chic thing about Aaron? It's her fucking die job. I just I hate it. It is so dated. It is so dated and uninspired. And I'll just say it unflattering. It is unflattering. It just looks so like it could not be more basic, more real. Tate McRae is actually a really great reference to flip. She is absolutely the Tate McRae of the show. It is just so there's not even anything resembling like a point of view. She is just like I liked how I mean, this is what she thinks she's doing. She's like I want to be Rachel on friends. That is what I think I'm doing with this hair color. Yes, but she's not. She's not, she's not Jen. No one's Jen. I think everyone needs to give up on the idea of being Jen for Aniston. You're not. She's one of one. Wake that up. Yeah, no, I just don't like it. I just don't like it. I'm sorry. I just like it. I don't like it. This like fits weird on her. She looks uncomfortable in it. You know, it's just, it's strange. I don't like it. Oh, I don't like it. Not chic. Not chic. Not chic. Now, wait, did you know that Erica is a creator for Equinox? Like I didn't know that, but in my heart, I knew that. In your heart, you knew that. So last in all, we have Erica's confessional. And there's two things here that I wanted to point out more than anything. I could not find an idea on this dress. It looks a little rico in Z to me, but I just don't know if that's the idea. And I couldn't idea it as Rick, but it does spiritually give rico ends like deflated balloon dress. But there's two accessories that I wanted to, you know, basically keep our eyes out in line with sort of the things we're paying attention to on this podcast. What do you think they are? Well, I see, I love this. Joan school, like a Joan school for girls. Okay, guys, talk. Well, first of course, if we look on her, okay, if it's her, it's her left arm on her wrist, you will see as we saw on Lisa Barlow on the ultimate girls trip, you will see one of those big ol' junky silver bracelets, massive, it looks like, I mean, it looks like a monitor of some sort. It this is wild. Yeah, yeah, it's like an ankle for your, it's a wristlet. It's not a bracelet, it's a wristlet. It's a wristlet, sorry. There's one more. There's one more that is in, it's in the same vein, I think, as the wristlet. - I mean, is it, is it the necklace that doesn't come together? It's this little. - It's another cuff of a necklace, a big silver ring necklace that sort of connects, but doesn't, it's just this trend of jewelry can I just say, I'm not loving it. - No, it's not good. It's not flattering. I don't understand what it's doing. It just, it looks like it cuts off circuelt, not actually physically, but like the vibe, the funcish way, that is that it like cuts off circulation in a weird way. - Yeah, it just, these looks like break it up in a big way. I remember talking to Sierra Miller about her fashions, and she also was saying that like, this is a big trend for her, and you can definitely see that like for these like young, New York sort of like influencer, TV fashion creator types, they're all getting their inspiration from the same places. Lisa Barlow is watching them on TikTok, and they're all wearing bracelets, cufflets, chunky like ring cuff necklaces. I just, I'm not loving it. The dress for those at home, it is a like again, like a deflated balloon. Imagine she put a balloon on, and then popped all the air out of it. It's a red balloon, structured neckline, sweet heart neckline, strapless, crinkly plethora, it's fine, nothing to write home about. She looks beautiful. Her glam is gorgeous. Whoever her makeup artist is, she should stay with them. They've clearly figured out her colors. The look though, Natcheeq. - Yeah, she looks hot, but Natcheeq. - Fashion show with no fashions, how dreadful. (laughing) - Now, we did not talk about next gen neck last week, and we had to premiere this week. So we're gonna speed through next gen, you guys. What did you think of the finale of next gen? I wanted to hear your thoughts. You're Gen Z, so you have probably a lot to say on this. - Well, first and foremost, I think that he manipulated me with Jesus. - I loved it. I cannot believe it. I think Ariana is such a compelling figure. She is, it's everything that I loved about seeing her mother on television and none of the things that made that such a dark experience. All of the like, kind of this exceedingly impulsive nature that she has is fascinating to watch. Ariana certainly the woman of next gen NYC, if we're using that framework, she is the woman. - She's so magnetic, I love her. And also, Charlie is hot as fuck. I get it, like, sorry. - If I'm her, and Liam says I love you, after we've been having a show, man's like, I'm fucking Charlie, I get it. - I'm fucking Charlie and I'm pulling out that same gun from earlier and firing four or six shots. - Like, wait, did you know that's also Spike Lee's son? - Yes, through the. - What are you? - Lemon, she threw a lemon at me. - Yeah, he threw a lemon at Liam, was like, stand up, King. Like Liam, he's a sweetheart, but I'm like, girl. - I wanna see Liam's DMs after this show, just to be like, who's hitting you up? 'Cause there is a type of woman. - There's absolutely a type of woman. - That sees a man like Liam on TV and gives him four children. - I mean, it's like, I like Liam better than I liked Caleb Love Island, but it's like the Caleb Love Island crowd. Like, I'm sure it's gonna go crazy for him. - And he has short film. - His short film. - And it's. - Carrera. - I don't know anything about that. I don't need to go there. - I'm just gonna give you looks. Since you are the Gen Z expert, I'm gonna let you do the ranking. I'll describe the outfits. We're gonna go rapid fire here through this finale. This is season two, episode 10. Okay, we have Ariana and Charlie coming back from Canutling to the finale party. Ariana is in a rhinestone corset with a leather mini dress, thigh high boots and a black leather trench coat. What do you, what's your verdict? - Well, I think that she looks like, I mean, she's a backup dancer at an Ares tour drag show during like, like when they're doing like the reputation section is horrible, not siege. - Oh, I thought this is so chic. - I do not like this at all. - We also have her mesh white pump with a matching nude boostier dress that is in a mesh with a very delicate, soft wave to her hair. What's your verdict? - It's boring, but it's so quintessentially her that I'm gonna say it's so chic. She looks hot. - So Charlie's big confessional look for the season was a Jean jacket with a gray hoodie underneath and nothing in his and no styling to his hair. What is your verdict? - That certainly not chic, but trade. - Okay, we also have a look that you were gonna say was your favorite look of the night last week. - Last week. - It is Mo hair like fluffy white shirt from the ski trip. What's your verdict? - My verdict is and walk with me. I think of reality television as performance art and fashion as an integral part of that performance art. Charlie knows damn well what he's on this show for. He knows damn well what he's doing. And he has kind of a almost like a mythic villain status over the group. And so I like that this gives him kind of an abominable snowman fantasy. And for that reason, I think as his character goes, it is very chic. - Very chic. - We had a mirror in this like a champagne Lemay wrap dress with a sort of, it's very greasy and it has a tie knot neckline with just like a scrap of fabric covering the boobs and a messy bun, a sort of Pam Anderson bun with the finger swoops in the front. What's your verdict? - I think it's so chic, she looks lovely. - Yeah, 100% pure class, our first lady, gorgeous. Georgia is in a dusty blue bridesmaids dress with an off the shoulder neckline and a poorly fitting bust. She has no blush, lots of bronzer and a hot pink lip with pin straight hair, black hair. - Nothing about this works. Nothing about this makes any sense, especially in the context of everything else in this look. - That reason it's very chic for me. - This is the Georgia show. - Yeah, we have two looks from Gia in the confessional booth to talk about. The first is a Miss Circle Burgundy lace strapless corset top with a matching Miss Circle Burgundy faux leather midi skirt, it is a burgundy lace with a new delusion mesh underneath with a little frilly cup. It's that classic corsetry aesthetic that you guys know. It's that classic corsetry aesthetic that you guys know I hate so much. What is your verdict on this? - Enough is enough. Stop immediately. And by the way, while we're at it, if you're gonna be on next on NYC, you need to live in NYC, not chic. Next we have Gia in a naked wardrobe brown long sleeve jumpsuit and a naked wardrobe brown draped mini skirt with matching brown thigh high suede booties. So this skirt, by the way, you heard it's a draped mini skirt. So a picture just a brown mesh mini skirt with a long piece of fabric attached at the waist. She's cosplaying as the high locks athlete that shit herself, but specifically the piece of toilet paper that she used to clean herself up with. - My verdict on this, she looks like she is going to film content when she is her parents Thanksgiving, not chic. - We have one other thing to talk about, which is her bucket hat and trench coat that she wears walking through the eye heart podcasting lobby. What's your verdict on that? - You know, she looks really boomsickle. She looks so happy to be in this hat. - Yeah, so chic, so chic. - Okay, we have a random newcomer, Kendall, who only made an appearance in the back half of the season. She has on a structured brown work pant with a accompanying structured top. I found this look chic. I included it because I thought she looks very chic. She looks a little com de gason, I was into it. - I just wish I knew who she was. - Yeah, but she's just like-- - You put a picture of a random woman here. I recognize that as the next item I see said. - Yeah, I was like, okay, so there's a woman. Her name is Kendall. We will see if we find out anything about her at the reunion. Now, we have to-- - Is she invited? - Who knows. We have two looks to talk about from the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County season 20. The first is a Chanel three-quarter sleeve sweatshirt, worn by none other than Heather Dubrow, who has-- Bumped the ends of her hair, like she's fran on the nanny. I love this woman. I love everything that is happening with her aura this season. This is so, yeah, no, I said they can never make me hate her and I love that. They could never make me hate her, she, she just looks like a fun gal in this. I love it. Yeah, I mean, she always wants to dress like the nanny. It's like her number one personality trade is that she thinks that she should have been the nanny and she dresses like it, too. And that's something that's aspirational. By the way, we used to be a proper country that valued things like that. Yeah, I also love that they split the girls up. I didn't realize that they'd split them up. But Heather, Tamara, Gina and Carmella go to solving while Jennifer, Emily, Shannon and Vicki go to Palm Desert, which is like they go to hell. Now, there's only one other look to talk about, which is, can you explain the kindness of Jennifer Pajanti here? So Jennifer Pajanti, they're going golfing today. They're going golfing to set Missina. They are going golfing and Jennifer Pajanti in all of her wonderful, delight joy at the world said, I know just the thing to wear. And so she's wearing a white visor with in pink on this. What exactly does that say, Joan Summers? I would not get a read on it, but I could not get a read on the visor. But there's hot pink script and it says a word on it certainly does. And she has her visor on. Let's imagine it says Barbie because that's spiritually what she's trying to do. It's spiritually it's Barbie. It's it's Barbie pink. And under that, she is, okay, I don't know if it's like the filter, but all these OC women always look sunburned. First of all, it's both the filter and the sunburn. It's both the filter and the sunburn. She is wearing, if you look up white dress in the dictionary and, you know, take all Lana associations out of that. Take any, you know, association you have with the concept of a white dress, just like chat GPT white dress. She's wearing that. And then the pester resistance, you really buried the lead here. Well, because I just have to, I just have to let us prepare to sit in it. A Barbie pink, our guy, oh, cardigan, that we have identified as being a $30 Amazon pink Barbie our guy, cardigan, golf cardigan. Very see. Guys, when I was like, I was like, okay, this is going to be something that pisses me off. I just know that this is going to piss me off. And when I got redirected to an Amazon link for the exact cardigan, $30, it's an Amazon basics. Yeah, no, no, it's just a random Amazon brand. Oh, it's just like one of the non brands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all capital letters like J and VXU, pink, our guy, our cardigan. We got always, always one of the letters is doubled and vowels are in places. Vowels don't normally go. Yeah. After seeing Heather's $2,000 Chanel cardigan from, by the way, Chanel 2017. This is like, she's owned this. This is like her clothes. This is from 2017. She pulled this out of the closet, thousands of dollars of a Chanel sweater. And then Jennifer Padronty comes rocking up in a Barbie costume that she bought on Amazon. I said, don't piss me off, but we have talked for 10 minutes about it. So everyone say thank you for the kindness of Jennifer Padronty. Everyone, thank you, Jennifer Padronty. Thank you, Jennifer Padronty. Until next week is this week so chic. Okay, like we did last week, I think it's only fair. What is your most chic, very chic outfit of the week? Katelyn Glossmann entrance look, the fur, the Balenciaga sonnies. I know exactly who that woman is. I want to hang out with her, right this second. My most chic outfit of the week, my very chic is jessil as the dictator of a sci-fi mining facility. I love world mining colonies, dictator. I pray to God, she tops this. I pray to God, she tops this because I don't know how she will. I need to see her in this look, walking pavita round on a leash. That is the fantasy, that is his fantasy. That is his fantasy. She's got her little baton. That's actually how we films the narrate. That's how he records all the narration for all of his pickles. Sandwich video content. Let me cut up my cucumbers, spend an hour cooking my butter noodles. She makes him wear this while cooking butter noodles. That is the concept of jessil, pacifying pavit and this outfit in particular is so normal. Okay, well, thank you all for listening. You can find all of the looks at so chic, very chic dot sub stack dot com. We were beset by technical issues this week. We had a fire alarm test going on in my building for the back half of this episode in case things come off slightly disjointed in the edit. We don't mean it. Thank you so much to everyone who's left a review, who's messaged us. We're getting such really positive feedback. We're really trying to hone in. We're trying to be concise, but also specific. I am toying with the idea of eventually splitting these just into two episodes every week because we do want to talk about so much. And I feel like people want more content always. We'll see how it goes. But for now, thank you all for listening, Taylor. Where can people find you? What are you working on? You can be anything to plug, I guess. Oh God. I have things that are dropping, but I don't know when they're dropping. Okay. Well, maybe so watch this space in an ethereal sense. Also, I just want to tell everyone you look so chic today. You look very bright, you look very sunny. Your hair is gorgeous. Me and me and my grinder, Madonna shirt, me and my fire island pines pantry shirt. Yes, gay people. Gay people. Yeah, I just got this in the mail yesterday. I had a random package from Grindr. Okay, arm, okay hair, okay, wig. Showed out my friend Harry for designing this, by the way. Okay, well, I think I go out on a three to one gay people. Do you want to? Oh, I would. Can I? Oh, my God, okay. Two, one, one, gay people. Bye, everyone. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to so chic, very chic, created and hosted by myself. Joan Summers alongside my co-host Taylor Lomax. You can find us on Instagram at so chic, very chic, and you can email all questions and inquiries to so chic, very chic at gmail.com. Our theme song is 2022 by Sunday evening drive featuring twin princess with a little help from the housewives.