Jerry Ferrara talks playing Proctor on Power, Turtle on Entourage + 50 Cent Ep. 96 | The Crew Has It

- At the time, Ontario was a big deal. Like, we had money, so the only thing I think he said was, like, I'm gonna bring my own car. - Yeah, I was just like, I think I did it. - 'Cause we were like 50, you know, like, we'd get you whatever you want. - Yeah. - What do you want? We're in LA, we could, he's like, no, no, no. He like, shipped his, that car was his car, that I think he shipped out from like New York or Connecticut or something, just for that one scene. - Come on, come on out. - Oh, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you. - Last ones of the Airport Buying Breakfast. - Buying Breakfast. - Day one, day one. - Day one. - That studio ever. - All right, today's a little different, guys. We're doing a live podcast today. - We've only ever done it one time before, right? - Yeah, we did it at, um, was it the, from me? - Go season three. - Go season three from me. - Live podcast. - Who do we have? - We had Lorenz. - We had Lorenz. - And Alex. - And Alex. - Yeah, and Alex. - Yeah. - And then we have Brett, the new, our showrunner who took over from Courtney. - Okay. - Yeah, so we had three. - But we have some people here today. Thank you so much, guys, for being here. We're at MCK Day in Cleveland. And shout out the longest time coming. Jerry Farrara, AKA Turtle, AKA Proctor. I mean, one of the goat, the goat. - How long has this been in the making? - I've been texting him for four years, everyone. - I know that, 'cause I kept getting DMs person me out. Like, when you going on the crew as a podcast, I'm like, I'm going. And then it almost becomes such a bit now. I hope this episode holds up, 'cause now there's like this anticipation. - No, look, I'm here. I'm happy to be here. - I love what you guys are doing. - And let's chat, man. Let's do it. - So what people don't know is that Jerry had a podcast in 2012, that's when you started. I used to listen. So I used to have to sweep my acting class floor to be able to pay for the class. - We really see you sweeping the floor. - Sweeping the floor. - I know, I'm like a little, like a little sticky. - It's like Rocky and Rocky won. Clean the split bucket. - It's literally what I had to do. - I had to sweep the floor and clean the bathrooms. And I would listen to your podcast. So you're kind of like a juggernaut. You're like one of the first actors to. - You know, I was thinking about that when we were talking off the air, too. I don't think any actors really had podcasts. Like we talked about some of the old school legends, like Bill Burr, Rogan, Bill Simmons. But I don't think any actors did. And all that for me, because it was really sports, too. It just came from like, I loved sports radio growing up as a kid. I'd listen to Yankee games on the radio. So I was always trying to capture that. But yeah, we had, you know, I was interviewing actors in my house. People like, you're crazy. You're having like strangers come to your house with a microphone. There was no cameras. No one wanted to do video podcasts back then, either. People would like, loosen up and tell better stories if there was no cameras, just the mic. So, but when it's evolved into what you two have done, it's pretty cool. - Thank you. - How did you got to be on the camera? - You have to. - You got to be on the camera. - Yeah. - I'm just sweeping up your acting class floor, and you can just throw the airpods on. - All right, I honestly just have so many authorized questions, power questions. So first off, this is a true story. I don't know if you remember this or whatever. So my first live table read ever was, power season six, episode two? Episode one or two. I don't remember two. - It was two. - Two. - I think it was two. - I was so scared. Like, my heart was in my ass. - Those table reads are no jokes. - You're scared. - Those are not your ordinary. - Oh, Mario was there. Like, it was nuts. So I had a line. - Did you get that table read? - Of course. - Yeah, definitely. - Wasn't that the episode directed? - Are you directed? - I don't think it was the one he directed, but he was there watching. - Okay. - So I had a line that was to Tureek, and it was, you're killing me, Smalls. - And you laughed? - I did. - So loud that it made me comfortable. - And I don't know, that is stuck in my head for a long time. - Two reasons. Number one, you delivered it really funny. Number two, huge Sandlot fan right here. - Yeah, I figured. - So like that line meant a lot to me. I will say, I'm sure you guys have talked about the table reads on this show with the hour button there. Coming in first time in season six to a power table, that is no joke. People are getting dying left and right, saying goodbye speeches, new people coming in, those table reads. You know, we did them on entourage. A little more casual. I've been to a thousand table reads, but nothing. Nothing was ever like the power table reads. It was theater almost, you know? Everyone would show up and everyone would deliver. So still to this day I've never had a table read or anything like that that has replicated the power ones. - Yeah, I don't want to get too into the good stuff soon, but obviously you got the call that you were going to die as proctor. What was the call like Courtney called you? - Yeah, so you know, I always equate it to like hard knocks. You know the show hard knocks. - Yeah, yeah. - When they tell the player like, "Hey, Coach wants to see you, bring your playbook." - Yeah. - You get the call like, "Hey, Courtney wants to see you in the office, bring your scripts." - Yeah, I don't know what you kind of know what's going on. - And the thing is, as memories for my experience, like I don't think they tell you months in advance, like, "Hey, you're going to die." - They tell you one episode. - One episode's up for a secrecy reason. So here I am, I don't remember what number I died in. I think it was halfway through the final season. I'm thinking like, "I'm going to make it. Proctor's going to make it to the end." - Proctor was slippery throughout the whole season. - I drive off with me and Elisa Maria. I drive off and like, probably going witness protection or something. But, and then, yeah, I remember Courtney brings me in, and I kind of knew and she kind of looked at me. Like this kind of like, "So proctor's going to die in this episode." And I prepared myself for, I'm like, when that happens, I'm not going to go out like a bitch. Be like, "I'm going to be like, that's fine. Kill me. Go ahead." But I tried so hard to do that, and I still was like, "No, I'm not now." So, I thought for a second, like, "Do I plead my case?" But, you know, when you get-- - You died. - Yeah. - For death and toll. You can't plead a case. So, you know, she kind of talked me through it and told me, and I did end up taking it, you know, like a grown-up. I was like, "That's great. That'll creatively. That's a great way to go." And, yeah, you never quite prepare because, number one, it's a fun show to be on. I was honest in season two. And, you know, I remember one time, dude. I wasn't in every episode until, like, season four. But, like, season-- or maybe, season five. A season four, I was out of, like, two episodes. So, I came to the one table reading. I had, like, three weeks off. I came back. Three people were gone. - Aww. - It was, like, JR was gone. - Yeah. - I was like, "Oh, they're dead." - Yeah. - Wow. - They're just gone. So, like, you realize people are, like, losing a job, essentially. - Yeah. - But, that's always been the rule. So, power. You know, that power heaven, I always say, is a very, very crowded place. - It's power hell. - Nobody. - Everyone is at hell in that universe. - Nobody's safe. That's like, no one is safe. - Nobody. - And I always think that's what made the show extra special is that no one is safe, and everyone could get it. So, yeah, I remember that day very well, man. I remember, and then, you know, like, you shoot that death scene. And then, you just go away for a while, but then when it comes up and it airs, then you do wonder, 'cause of the reaction on social media with power or just electric, you know, people gonna be like, "Good!" - Yeah. - A proctor, or they're gonna be sad. - They were sad. - And I think for the most part, they were sad. So, that means I did a lot of job. - A lot of people. - A lot of people also hate him for that, for that too. - Oh. - It was like, "Why are you gonna set up a proctor?" And I'm like, "Well, you backdoored him." - Well, I also think like-- - Literally, you backdoored him, but also, I think, what made it rougher to reek is, like, your job was to, like, get the little girl out there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You really tricked me, but you also tricked her. So, I think it was like a double-edged sword. - Three, four, bro. - Yeah. - So, how did that, was that a straight offer? Or did you audition? - Did you say a tape? - Yeah. - So, my story with power goes, I had a meeting with Courtney. Courtney had reached out through, like, agents and stuff. But one of them meet me and talk about power. And this is before the pilot was even shot, I believe. And we were talking about a different character. I can't remember the character's name. It was like, "Cost this or something?" He was like the partner with Ghosts. - Oh, cantoes. - Cantoes, sorry. And at the time, I got the pilot, and I read the pilot, and I was like, wow, this pilot isn't singing. - Yeah. - This is good. And my agent was like, oh, it's stars. I was like, this is an unbelievable pilot. - Yeah. - So, we went down the road, but we just started shooting the Entourage movie, right? - Ah. - Kinda took me out. - Right. - And I give, I always give Courtney credit for this, 'cause I've been told by, I don't know, 80 people in my 30 year career, like, hey, I'm gonna write something for you. - Yeah. - It's gonna bring, no one ever has. - Yeah. - No one has ever said that and written something for me. Except Courtney. - Right. - She said, well, I'm gonna write something for you. I think there's more to you than my, she's like, I love Entourage and Turtle and think like a man. But I think there's just, you have like this whole other Brooklyn edgy or side, and I want to go down that road. And then her and I always shared a love of like mob history, like Italian mob history. And particularly in the 90s, all the mob lawyers were like these really like theatrical big personalities. This guy Bruce Cutler represented John Gotti. - Yeah. - Big, amazing. So, he looked like a gangster almost himself. I mean, he'd give these courtroom speeches that were like theater. - Right. - And she had called, she's like, I wrote this character, proctor. He's like a Bruce Cutler. - Right. - He's gonna become like the consulieri to ghost. And I said, all right, great. I'll believe it when I see the pages. - Right, right, right. - And the pages came through and I'm like, I'm in. - Yeah. - You know, and it wasn't about money because I didn't get paid much first season. - Right. - I think I did like five or six episodes in season two. And then similarly, she said, She laid out a plan of like two or three years from now. - Right. - Of what Proctor's gonna do. And you know, I think if she laid out 10 things, I think he did nine out of 10 things. There's one thing she always told me he was gonna do that Proctor never did. So maybe we'll do that in something else. - Smoke somebody, probably. - I don't know if she's ever gonna use it in something else, but I think I was gonna like find the witness, just like happenstance that was gonna be testifying or messing with ghosts. I think I was gonna catch him in the alley and like take the pen out of like my pocket, like murder, like Joe Pesci and Casino. - That's pretty sick. - Like a pen. - She's gonna have them to get the pen. - Yeah. - And there's the only thing she, everything else, like ghosts going to jail, representing all that stuff. She did. And I'd never seen anything like no one's ever followed through on the level she was at before with me. - Right. - All right, we're gonna take a break from the episode and give a big shout out to Weeble. They sponsored this episode. They made everything happen. They made MGK they happen for us. They made Jerry for our happenstance. They got the boy a sprinter. They made it lit. 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But then when 50's name came up, it was like oh, that's, there's no one better to be like deliver those lines. And the one thing I remember is, you know, at the time Entourage was a big deal. Like we had money, right? So the only thing I think he said was like, I'm gonna bring my own car. - Yeah, I was just like, I got the 80s. - But we're like 50, you know, like we'd get you whatever you want. What do you want? He like shipped his, that car was his car. Then I think he shipped out from like New York or Connecticut or something. Just for that one scene. - That's in scene. - Just for that one scene. - He's a role doer, right? - I believe it was a fan, I think it was a, was it a goat? It might have been a ghost. Or I think it was two doers. - Yeah. - It might have been, it might have been. - So, and then came on and just like I said, I mean, he was hilarious, he was awesome. - It would be awesome. - Did not know that that meme was gonna live on for a decade plus, right? - Have you come in contact with them since? Like you obviously will rip them on power. - So then we did that. And then was I working, I don't know if I was working on power yet or whatever. I did this movie last Vegas and he cameoed in that. I didn't have a scene with them, but I saw him real quick. His stuff was at Romani Malco. And then all these years later, I start to empower. And I remember one of the first dinners we went to like before the season started. And he just, again, we've always been cool. But I didn't know if he really watched The Answerage or knew much about me. But he was like, you know, the minute we got you, I was like, he's like, I knew this season was gonna be good. 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You crushed, you crushed her in the McGregor fight. - Yeah, yeah. - My dammit, dude, I gotta tell you. And that's Gianni, that's really Gianni sport. I know most of UFC because of G, but, you know, that's what it is. We cast out, baby. - All these years later, all the table reads, I only have like one or two scenes with them in power. It's maybe one of my favorite lines in power is when I think ghost that just got in shot, but lived. And then Tommy brought him like this back room and he's getting stitched up and canons back there. And they bring me in and Tommy's threatening my life, like he always did. Proctor says something like, look, you're a shot, you're this, and I point at 50, he's like looming in the back. I'm like, I don't even know who the fuck this is, but I'm terrified, man. I love that line, I love that line. 'Cause he was a sitting there looming like this. But I don't even know who the fuck this guy is. - So yeah, I love 50. - So to take it back, so you moved to LA, you were 19, 19 years old, and what was your first like things that you booked? I know you did like a guest star on, it's one of the Chicago shows, maybe? - No, there wasn't even Chicago shows back then, that's all I am. - So I moved out to LA 2000, and you gotta remember a different time, right? It was like the height of scream and Dawson's Creek and like all these like teen kind of things. They made it sound like they were giving away shows to like kids at the mall. Like, hey, you're a teenager, come be on TV, right? So I just happened to move out there during this time, where if you were like 17 to 25, it was like nothing for 30 year olds at the time. I think the next day or two I moved there, I was auditioning in front of like Spielberg and Tom Hanks, for a show based off of Band of Brothers. I think it's called Semper 5, it was like a band of brothers, they already did Band of Brothers, but it was a show version. And I was going out, I was testing for pilot, like in the first month I tested for like 10 shows. - Really? - Like this shit is easy. - How many of them did you use? - Zero, zero, but I was getting out there, I was getting out of that. - Why do you think that you were testing so much? - Because again, there was so, first of all, you had all the networks doing 15 pilots a year, so there's like 50 pilots a year, and pilot season was a real thing. And again, like I said, if you were between like 17 and 25 and I looked really young, there was so many roles, so many. And then I didn't really get my first, I did like one of those Saturday morning shows, remember like they were saved by the bell? There was another one called City Guys, you guys are probably too young. - Yeah. - Yeah. And then I did a King of Queens is like the first show that kind of got me in SAG and I did a few episodes of that and it started the wheels rolling. - Nice. And then when did Entourage come about? - Entourage was '03, so really took me three years to get on Entourage and I know the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot of time, but for me at the time, I'm like this is not working, it's not happening, it's been three years, but I think that you do before Entourage, how many years? So I did a lot of guest star stuff, but then I got cast in a pilot for MTV. This is back in the day where MTV was doing scripted television, right? I got cast in this like New York drama called "Bathgate" and a show about these like coming-of-age kids in the Bronx. MTV didn't pick it up, but the writer/director Larry Gollin like expanded it into a feature. And we went to the Bronx for like a few hundred grand and we shot one of the first movies on like HD video. This is like when you only shot on film, right? And a movie turned out really like Max Greenfield was in it, Badge Dale. They shot on Curse like all this cast grew up to do really great things. And I had a real flashy part in that and Steve Levinson, Lev saw me in that and you know, Repp and Wahlberg is like I got this show on to Raj and I still auditioned a hundred times for it. And they did a big search dude. They probably looked at a thousand people when you could buy all of it. No, for all the roles and they searched in New York, it searched LA, New York, all that. And then I got cast in '03 and we shot the pilot and shoot between that and the movie went all the way up to like 2014. - To put into perspective, I mean before like all that, it must be so heartbreaking to your auditioning all the time, this, that, you finally get a show and they don't pick it up. I'm so glad they don't do that anymore. Because it's gotta be heartbreaking. You get the job and then they're like, "Oh, actually, we're not making this show." - Well, imagine this too, back in the day, like I said, all these networks, they did a lot of pilots. HBO was a little different. HBO didn't do 10. They did like two or three, right? - Yeah. - So they had a shit, they did our pilot. I think they had one with America Ferreira. It was a huge deal. And I think they might have like a Seth Rogan pilot. And then they had a Richard Link later. You know that director? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or maybe he did America Ferreira's. Those are the three and we shot in November. We didn't, they didn't tell us we got picked up till like April. We waited for them. Dude, I'm still working in the restaurant. - Yeah. - I shot the pilot. - Yeah. - Before the, before the shooting. - We shot the pilot and then you gotta wait. They watch all their pilots. They used to make their decision. Now imagine if you were a network back then, you had like 15 of these to make a decision. HBO had three. And so I went back to my job. I'm working in the restaurant. My name is-- - Wait, wait, wait. - Still son of a, I sound like Johnny John, I'm like, so let's see if my pilot gets picked up, you know? And I'm never forget I got the calls. The most weird abrupt call on my house phone. That's how old I am. Private number, I pick up. I'm like, hello. Hey, what's up buddy? Well, we got picked up. We started shooting in like two weeks. Click. I'm like, that's kind of sick. But is that real? Is that really him? Is my boys in Brooklyn pranking me? - Yeah. - Cause they know I was on edge. And we got the call and we went into production on season one. And then the similar thing would happen after every year. Nowadays, show airs, if it's good, they announce season two after the first episode. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We waited another four months after season one. - My God. - Just waiting. - Okay. - Okay, but yeah. - On edge. Everyone was stressed out back in the 2000s. - Yeah. - If you were in the television game. All young actors walking around just shooting their nails. It's like my pilot. - Our pilot. - Everybody was stressed out. - Okay, so the show comes out though. It's a massive hit, no? Yes, well, no. Show comes out and the first season critically acclaimed. That's why anyone revisionist history, go read the shit from season one. New York Times, Smarter Show on TV, all this stuff. Got nominated for a Golden Globe, all that. But ratings wise, probably like eh? Like if we were on network TV, we're out. - Yeah. - Canceled. - Wow. - But HBO back then too, they weren't as ratings focused. They were subscription based company. So they were able to like, well, we like this. And we believe in it. So they did pick us up and it's something really unique happen. Again, I'm just like the old head in the room. Something came out called HBO on demand, right? What this was. - I remember that. - Right, it basically was the fur, it was like a streaming app while we were streaming. - You had HBO, you could access HBO on demand and watch any show at any time. People's minds are blown. Like, whoa, yeah. - So what happened was, we stopped airing season one in like July, August. We start shooting. We start airing season two in January or something like that. Every like college kid must have went back to their dorm and binge the answer, I was on HBO on demand 'cause our numbers in season two. - Went crazy, yeah. - Exploded, yeah. - And then the awards and all that. So it took till like midway through season two airing that we were like, all right. - We got it, we got it, we got it. Is it mostly Mark calling in favors for like, I mean, episode one, Jessica Alba. - Episodes? - Yeah. - Well, Scarlett Johansson. - We would get no show back in the day. Like, hey, this one's gonna come through. - Didn't show up for a cameo, so we'd have to scramble. Early on, season one and season two, it was all favors. - Begging, like please come do a cameo, please. And the early ones who stood out was Jessica Alba. Ali Lauder did this like the biggest solid of all time. - Like a crazy ex-girl right now. - Yeah, that's actually wild, yeah. - Scarlett Johansson did like the finale of episode one, which was crazy. And then then we started going back to like the, like the Bob Saga, it's like he comes on season two and just like lights it up. And then when we got to season three, it was a little easier. By the end, we had like a book of people. - Yeah, even one means it, come on. - Just that we never had to ask them. - And then what started happening in the end was like, the cameos you couldn't get to. Our video village was like a live audience. We'd shoot a scene to go to the monitors. It was like, oh, it's Kevin Durant. There's in Ghana, Kansu. There's like, what are they doing? They're just chilling out watching. - I would have my Tyson's here today. - I would have killed to see the guy. - And like you try and work them in or you just look behind the monitors and it's just, that was like really toward the end in our true height. - Well the movie, I know there was like 20 people that couldn't get cameo. The movie was maybe almost too many. - You can argue that there's too many. But yeah, there was a whole day in the movie where my character had like a beach party 'cause he's rich now. And it was like, all right, this morning you're doing a scene with Gronk, then you're doing a scene with Bob Sack, then the LA Kings are bringing the Stanley Cup by to stay alone, like what the fuck are we doing? - Yeah, it really is. - And Ferrell's coming by at night. It was Ronda Rousey in the morning. It was nuts. - Who's your favorite cameo ever on entourage? - That's a hard question. - So I have like a few different categories for it, right? Like the most instrumental cameo that set up all other cameos to come was James Cameron. - Oh yeah. - Always say that. - Because the other thing we did, I like to think we did so well was the fake Vince movie, right? Like, hey, a lot of people know Aquaman with Jason Momoa. How they didn't give Adrian a cameo and the last man was, you messed up. - Well they made like seven or eight different projects that are based off of actual entourage movies. - And so season two storylines, like Vince is gonna do a superhero movie, but you know, Vince is like this serious actor, at least he wants to be. - Yeah. - I don't wanna do Aquaman, that's corny, right? And they're all, are he's like, "Yo, they're gonna give you 12 million dollars. You need to do it." - Yeah. - So it's a kind of a joke in the beginning. It looks like Aquaman's gonna be a joke, right? And then somehow, I think one of our supervising producers or post-production producers, worked a lot with James Cameron. And Doug, I think, and if I'm butchering the story, sorry Doug. I think he was trying to figure out, we'd love to get James on the show, would he ever wanna do it? She's like, "I'll ask." And she did and he said, "Yes." So it's like, "All right, what if he's directing Aquaman?" And I think he had one note. He's like, "All right, I'm in, but Aquaman's gotta be like the biggest movie of all time. I don't make bombs, I don't make movies that make like a little money. The shit's gotta make a lot of money." - He made all the Avatar movies, by the way. - Doug, yeah, I'll tell you, yeah. - So it then became, oh no, now Aquaman is now the number one project every young actor's trying to get. And I think that legitimized the fictional Entourage universe. So then when you get to season three, I think people are like, "Well, James Cameron did it. It's gotta be all right." I actually have a quote, "Why don't Leo ever do a cameo?" I don't think Leo is a cameo guy. I'm gonna speak for sure. For sure. Him and Kevin are best of buds. First of all, I don't think anyone's ever asked them 'cause they just assumed the answers, no. You know, Leo, in my experience, like he's pretty private. I don't think he wants to show anything of himself, but yeah, no, it would have been awesome. I loved it, but-- - It would have been amazing. - I don't think it was ever really on the table. - Yeah. - So. - Do you have a favorite episode? Like number one, stand out to you? - I want to know a favorite Entourage and Power episode. - Back to the cameo thing too. Like that was the most instrumental, but then like my personal favorites, I love Bob Sagitt. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - I grew up on Full House. It still pains me that he's not here. And he was just so funny, I'm like, was just so down to do whatever. But then when you get into like the heavy hitters, like the Matt Damon one is really hard. - Oh, that's probably my favorite. 'Cause he just came on ready to roll. That was another crazy episode. It's like, oh, Matt Damon's coming in, LeBron's coming later, Bono. - Yeah. - Like what was happening? Tom Brady one's pretty-- - Oh yeah, you know. - I'm ready, yeah, that's good. - That's okay. - Dude, I'm so glad I did a lot of stuff on a fly too, so like when you had like no shows, how badly did it shake up the day like that? - Oh, and totally back in the day with like devastation, right? 'Cause you know that stuff got cut or we'd have to scramble and pull someone in and does it make sense? That would kill us. - Were there any no shows you remember? - I'm gonna choose not to name names here. Maybe if you guys get launched a Patreon, we'll give that up for the Patreon at the end. We'll keep that one for us but another favorite of mine just because of I don't think any show has ever done this before at the time when Kanye came on young Kanye but also like you know no one really heard the good life song and we were gonna premiere it on our show so famously the episode ends Kanye bales us out and he's flying this on his jet the can and it goes out with the beginning that you can't really find that beginning of the song good life anymore and people lost their mind that's like that's a real song yeah that's a Kanye song how do I get it I want to go it was out yeah I think it debuted the next day yeah that was to me I never saw anything like that Tom Brady episode it's so funny because he's a Giants fan and the whole time he's like he's in a four-song playing golf with with Tom Brady and he's like I'm not fucking being nice to Tom yeah all of a sudden he's the nicest guy ever so he's like he's like go on to come over and and dude he wins me over he man sharns so by 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leaving every day like I'm so grateful I get to do this because I never at that point I didn't think I ever would right to the point where I would go after dramatic stuff and they'd be like oh you're like a comedy guy right I'm gonna pay that off later when I tell you what happened years down the road but for me um I really I really felt useful when ghost is in jail yeah Dallas like some of the best writing anyone's ever given me yeah because now I'm trying to get them out and I think we have the scene where we're both like exhausted both in real life and supposedly on the show and I'm like sitting on the desk he's sitting on the desk and we're just like talking about his future we're not even looking at each other like back to back and you really I felt in the scene for first time too like fuck Proctor I think like fuck like loves this guy you know I think he genuinely to that point he's just like a lawyer doing the job I think he genuinely wants to get this guy out of jail right not just because it's my job and my ego is what I do it's like fuck he should be out right that was it I loved all the the jail ghosts and jail stuff and season four season four I remember like that's when I officially had to like move back to New York yeah because I was doing the LA in New York thing with power which is very tough at times because of the table read you got to be there for both yeah um but at that point when they came to me it's like you have you're a regular now I moved back to New York which is also great I mean did you sell your house in LA then no I kept it because I always want I didn't want to be in New York for the winter even though power is always in the winter man how winter you start powered September and fall it's great and then you get to them January then it's like oh yeah there's the night scenes night see overnight I mean I didn't have too many of those yeah most you you got a lot of courtroom stuff which is nice my courtroom stuff a lot of indoor stuff of this courtroom those courtroom scenes is crazy yeah well I think I like those scenes if I remember correctly too I don't think there was people at stars at the time that was very convinced that I can do it right especially like the courtroom stuff once the scripts are written I think Courtney went to bat right but then my first day was proctor getting Tommy off right Tommy's pinched he's in jail and my first my second day of shooting but my first courtroom day I mean do it I was I was working on the material the night before for hours because it's like your honor it's prosecutorial malfeasance and I'm like oh I have to know what this shit means and I won't lie like the first few takes I was like I wasn't struggling but I was like just getting it out right and I a lot of words salad when people saw the dailies they were like see yeah we told you he can't right I did Courtney went to bat and then once I got through that first day yeah I figured out how to do it I dare you to go look at the courtroom scenes now like oh yeah this shit's a real yeah they're right yeah yeah so back to the New York L.A. thing we have this debate I mean this is New York L.A. right in front of me I'm looking at you've been trying to give it a move to L.A. for like these posts right here you you're from New York you live in L.A. you're arguably one of the most recognizable faces because of entourage with access and being able to go out what do you like better did you like going out in New York you like going out in L.A. do you like living in either place I need the full load out from you we're just gonna sit back and listen this can be either than both so I got it here this can be I can finally make it this is I can finally make it this isn't I can finally make it good this isn't this could be a whole episode in itself right we can analyze this for an hour but I won't okay so I love both places right obviously I grew up in New York so like my family being there that has an extra special spot for me but um Brooklyn right Brooklyn yeah Bensonhurst Brooklyn Dicor Heights Bensonhurst Brooklyn uh because you statin island right yeah yeah I'm right there well my family's still in statin island now and I remember I go play pick up like eight years ago with my nephew like Michael Rainier was here earlier I'm like all right I know we could hoop so I was hoping to catch you at one of these games one day but so look L.A. and I think entourage also helped capture and I think that's why it's sort of catching on with Gen Z right now Gen Z is all over entourage because I think they're like that's what it was like to go out in L.A. before social media and phones and all that unbelievable I'm pissed so L.A. look here's how I always sum up in L.A. when you're when you're doing all right and you can even say it's about in New York too when New York's different when you're doing okay career wise in L.A. it's probably the best town you could ever live it yeah when you're on a run doing your thing I can see that yeah everything is at your fingertips yeah the flip side to that is when you go through a rough patch yeah it's a lonely ass town when you're going through a rough patch but at that time period in the 2000s into the 2010s I would tip it to L.A. because we would go we always have an L.A. in a New York premiere right boy stick with me I'm not done yet and like the L.A. premiere was always like glitz glamour and then the New York one was all are like because the other guys are New Yorkers too all those premieres are like friends family but then we'd go out after you know having you chipy all these and it was just like this could be a problem if we live yeah like this could be and if we shot here we I don't think we I don't know how much work that But you definitely felt the, 'cause LA ends at 2 a.m. and then maybe there's an after party. - Maybe the house party. - Then you gotta find the house without Google Maps. You're in the hills. Like where's this guy's house? You ring on a stranger's house. - The hills, that's the house party. - The house, the house party. - I've been invited to like more, like, oh, princes have an after party. There was always faith. You roll up to the house. - No prince. - Someone ran this prank for like years of them. They'd start their rumor in the club. Princes have an after party. Here's the address. 2 a.m. lights come on in the club. You drive to some house. Like, it's like fucking princes house. (laughing) Or they just gave me the wrong address. I don't know, either. So, I'd say in the 2000s, it was LA. But I will say, once you get into the 2010s, and then even places in Brooklyn like Williamsburg wasn't a place I would ever go out in the early, but then Williamsburg starts popping. All these other cities start developing. Ah, you know, I got married in 2070. I would have loved to just been a younger guy in New York City on a show. Like, I was for power, but at that point in my life was a little more marriage and family. I give the slight edge to New York, but LA in the 2000s, as you, we also need to like point that out. - Again, 'cause I was doing okay. Like if you were doing okay, but dude, there was, but I'll to Raj, I remember walking in the, we shot in a lot of clubs. We'd be shooting in a club. We always shot the real place is no set. So, you know, we're rolling into it seven in the morning. I'd be like, this place looks familiar. - Thank you for that last night. - We were here last night, I'm like, what? We were here last night. There's no way. Clubs in the daytime look way different. Yeah, so we shot in a club in New York like three times. - Isn't it strange at a two-club, yeah? - Isn't it strange to shoot at any kind of a club in the daytime in the morning? It's one thing to be at true, which is at Steiner. - Yeah, you know, that's a little different when you're at Truth Night Club. But, yeah, man, that was always my favorite part of LA was an answer, was that we shot at the real place. We were always on location, man. I would say the difference, okay. The difference between power and answerage, and I don't know if you feel it 'cause you've been on both, I would say we're very recognizable like to New Yorkers or when we walked on the street, it's kind of wild. - Well, did I get the same love in LA? - No. - I think you probably get the most LA love ever because everyone in LA watched Entourage, every actor, every director, every producer, everyone gushed Entourage. It's not really like that in LA, like, but when you go to New York, like, it's crazy. But LA, I don't see any other city to be on. - Yeah, yeah, like Atlanta, like, you go to a place like that, it's nuts. Well, LA specifically, I think Entourage was like, it's own thing. - I also think LA, at least at that time of Entourage, and into early years of power and beyond, is a little bit like too cool for school. It's like, they know who you are, bro. They might just maybe not gonna run up on you. 'Cause I'm an actor too, bro. You know, maybe they just, I don't think they maybe fan out. But look, I have now been acquainted for a long time with the Entourage fan base and the Power fan base. And this is the best I could sum it up. Whereas, I think people love those Entourage characters. They meant so much to them. And they geek out, but with power, like Entourage fans to me, we're not as invested in the story nearly as much as like, Power fans with the story. Like Entourage is much more like, where's drama? - Yeah, yeah. - And then power, like, they're asking you questions about 'cause they think this shit's real almost. - Yeah, right. - They're like, asking in one information. Like, they love the show so much. They want to talk story with you. - Right, you know. - Did they give you their theories on how to switch it away? - Yeah, I'm like, I'm like. - Yes. - Yeah. - Like, bro, I don't know. It couldn't work that way. - Yes, yeah, this was a good deal. - So, do you have any nights that you remember? Like, what's your, you have a favorite night in LA that ever happened? Like, a party that you went to or an event or this or that? Wow. Well, I will say, this was like a good Hollywood story, right? I'll never forget this. When the first season was airing, like I said, critically Entourage is doing well, but ratings wise, it's not highly visible yet. - Right. - And we were at, like, the night before party for I think the Golden Globes at the Chateau Marmont, the announcements for the Globes were coming out the next day, right? - We were just, we were invited to the party. I love all the guys we were there. And it was like this, who's who? 'Cause Golden Globes are movies and television or whatever. And I remember I was talking to, at the end of the night, I'm getting ready to go home. And I'm still like a kid. And I'm still a little star shock and this agent manager came out and I'm not gonna mention the name. I just remember she kind of looked at me, she's like, don't worry, maybe one day you guys will get there too. And it's like, oh, I wish. I hope. And we got nominated the next morning. - Wow. - So fast forward now to the Golden Globes. We're all there that night. Which, again, it's a wild thing 'cause it's movies and TV and you're in this ballroom and the Golden Globes are much more of a social award show. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Emmy's Oscars, you're like in that theater and like you can't leave. - Yeah. - Golden Globes, also there's alcohol at the time and people going in and out smoking and our first day of shooting season two was the next Monday. Golden Globes are our Sunday. So we go to the awards show. We didn't win anything but it's great night. And then we go to, I mean, I think we went to every party that night, every single one. And I remember getting back to my apartment in the valley and I laid down, I'm like, all right, I know it's late. I'm like, I'm gonna get a couple hours sleep. I put my head on the pillow and my alarm clock went off. It's 5.30 a.m. time to go to work. Car, they would pick me up, knocked on the door. I'm like, I didn't sleep. Got through the hair and makeup. So you guys, like at Steiner, it's, you know, dressing rooms and studios. We're all in trailers 'cause you're on locations. So you go into the hair and makeup trailer. Like when you're on location too and like everyone's in there, we're all just like, yeah. (laughing) How, how are we, how are we getting through this 15 hour day? And that to me always sticks out as, it almost mirrored the show in a way. I know, of course. That's kind of the way that it is though. Like you guys go out, do it and then go, you gotta go do your work, do this, Matt. Yeah. Which is a skill set. Some people could go out, have a good night, stay out late and then wake up 5 a.m. to go shoot. And you'd never really know they were out the night before. That was never me. You knew when I-- That can't make a deal, they'll know. How do you do, Mike? When Mike, you, you know, I'll be chilling, I'll be-- You, you see-- It's not a day of like, it would be some rising real quick. (laughing) He holds it well. You never know, Mike was out the night before. So when power scripts would come out, you search through if you're dead or this or that. When onterized scripts come out, what are you looking for? 'Cause like, as an actor, like when you get a script that comes out, you're like-- You're like, what am I going to do? I'm like, this is a good shit. The best guy. And I have a million Kevin Dillon quotes who play Johnny drama, right? He would always say before every table reading, I'd be like, so good script. And be like, yeah, he's like, how's your stuff? You got something good? Fully known, like, I didn't read any of yours. I read only my stuff. You got anything good this episode? As he's flipping through, I'm like, yeah, man, you should have read the whole thing. I'm very sorry. He's just reading his own. Yeah. No, those days were fun. 'Cause you would get the physical script at your door. Would they deliver it to you? Like a runner would come deliver your script. You get it? I'd always sit down, read through it. I would always read the whole thing. I would always read the whole thing, yeah. Yeah. That's what I remember. I read the whole thing. I did not thumb through. Looking for my part, see how I'm doing. What up, y'all? We're gonna take a quick break from the episode. And we're gonna talk to you about our new friends at Nick's Pouches. 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[MUSIC] The authorized table reeds were not like the power of table reeds. Did you do a big table reeds like power? Yeah, yes, but it was not, I mean, they were important, but it wasn't not nearly as important as the power ones were. Like, guys would miss them if you had to. I seriously. You were shooting set like, yeah, wasn't it? Yeah, power was no missing in the table reeds. But the food was crazy. I think I flew in once just for the table reeds. Yeah, yeah. Because like, my days were spread out like table reed on Monday. And I didn't shoot till like the next next Friday. Yeah. So I'm like, guys, can I just skip it and like shoot my stuff? They're like, no. So I flew in for the table reed, flew back. And it got right back in a plane. And then flew back in to shoot my stuff. I'm not supposed to be on one of the episodes for the last season of Orange is the New Black. And the day of that shoot, we had a table reed. They was like, now we need to hear for the table. I'm like, bro, like, I'm like, bro, I need to go beyond this episode, okay? They're like, yeah, this is important table reed. I forgot what episode it was for, but I'm like, yeah. Well, I always tell like any-- well, I used to tell like, young actors. Like, 'cause you know, they tell not power, but other shows tell you like, ah, it's the table read, don't worry about it. Like, I've seen people get fired off a table read all the time. So I never took them lightly, and I would tell any younger actor, whatever, like, look, just don't sleep through the table reads. 'Cause you will get fired if you're not on the table. - Makes sense. - Not all the time. - Yeah, make sure you're full of silent and like, know it, know what you have to be off-book, but like, know it a little bit, have a choice, man. - Yeah, so. - What's kind of your process as an actor, like, when you get an audition or when you get stuff to prepare for the next day, like, do you have anything specific that you do, or? - Well, these days, it's way different, 'cause I don't remember stuff as well, 'cause that used to, and I got a hundred kids, so like, I have to find the time, but, you know, back in the day, or even like, not that long ago, you know, look, my process is I always try to make it as conversational as possible. - Yeah. - I think the best compliment you could ever give is like, someone thinking it's real, and like, it just is so conversational that you don't feel like we're doing a scene. So I'm always trying to get familiar with the words to like, do that, which is part of the problem with Proctor in the courtroom, 'cause I'm like, I don't know what these words mean. - Yeah, now. - So I gotta look them up, but, yeah, do I used to be a very confident auditioner in the room? - Yeah. - I also would believe back then, like, your audition starts the minute you walk in, from like, your like, how's it going? Nice to meet you, whatever. I believe that there's already a choice made, like, eh, not this guy, or like, okay, maybe. - I think they just shift in the chair a little bit, and they're in. The Zoom takes, I'm the worst. - Yeah. - Shout out to Dom Lombardosi, also a power alum who played my cousin Benny, who's maybe on every television show ever. - Yeah, it's on Tulsa King right now. - Tulsa King, he's on Nemesis. - Yeah, yeah. - He's on everything, he's on everything. He was always in New York actor, right? Never, he was coming to LA for the pilot scene and whatever, but he was always putting himself on tape for the LA stuff. - Yeah. - The dude's one of the best, like, self-tape actors. - Really? - Probably in the history. - What do you think it is? - I don't know. - Yeah. - I'm probably the worst. - Yeah. - I'll either do one take, and I'll be like, - Screw it, send that one. - Or I'll do 40, and I'm like. - Yeah. - I don't know what, these all are terrible now. - Dom? - The best. - Of all time. - Of all time. - What do you think it is about, like, to facilitate that you don't like or be like. - I just think it's fake. I'm like, reading it with my wife, who's, she's great, but like, I'm in my basement. I'm like, this is, I know we're supposed to make it real. This is the most fake setting. And I just don't care. - Yeah. - I don't care about this. - Yeah. - It's hard to get. - Because you're acting to a computer screen. It's like a casting director on a computer screen. It's like, how am I gonna make this real? But it's kind of the world that we're in right now, you know? - I do tip my cap to the people who are good at the Zoom self taping. If I never work again, it's probably 'cause of how bad I am at those two things. That's probably the reason why. - Yeah. I have a theory that like, I think they have someone in mind, but you can go in the room and change that. - Yeah. - Do you don't think so? - On Zoom is the whole difference. - Yeah, on Zoom it's like, like you said, the distance starts when you walk in the room. And then just like fill your energy. You're like, okay, maybe this guy's energy kind of like, doesn't look like what he's auditioned for. On Zoom they're just looking at you like, all right, do you know the words? - Yeah, I bring Donald again. This was like, I think, a few years ago. But for a movie, they were interested in me. And they were like, we like, meaning me. We're not gonna quite offer them. We may not, I don't think we're gonna offer them the part. Will he read once? - And that already tells you like, all right, they're negotiating with someone else. - Right, right. - But in case that don't work out, then they were gonna have me. - And it was dumb. I think they were negotiating with it. So I was just like, and I, I'm gonna find out first, what he was gonna do. I was like, no, no, offer only bitch. - Yeah. - Offer only. - Yeah, it's also. - And I know I wasn't getting it. So I have nothing to let me offer only. - Did anything happen in your career? 'Cause that reminds me of the answer I was episode where they go to lunch with someone in person to show that they were like, trying to close on a meal, hers or something. I forgot what episode it was. You know what I'm talking about? - Yes, it was the Vince character. If you don't know, answer us. She was on a downward part of his career. He did this Medellin movie. He's like a Pablo Escobar story, which ended up being like a joke of a movie, got pan for it, and now he's like a back. She was like hiding out. He didn't even want to act anymore. But now there's like, oh, you're gonna get this offer for this really cool genre like horror movie. You should do it. He's like, all right, I'll come back for this. - Danger beach. - But the director, the producer wants to meet you first, but it's not an audition, just meet him. So we bring him back from like Mexico, where he's hiding out and he goes and meets this filmmaker, and they have this great talk, and the guy's like, yeah, we're gonna talk, we're gonna make you the offer. And another agent at the same restaurant where they're having lunch, and basically blows up the spot. He's like, Vince is never getting that offer. - They're negotiating with a meal, Hersh. And now I gotta close them for like a million dollars less. - Yeah. - Because you two are involved now. And I think that stuff at least back then happened all the time. And I don't think you could take down personally that business. Any business is like that. I know what's happened to me. I don't know if I've been the, maybe I'm the third choice, but I know if this progresses, it's only because two other people said no. - Right. - You know, so. - Have you had any other type of thing that has happened? Maybe something that was similar to an answer of the episode that happened in real life or anything that you remember specifically? 'Cause I always like, I'll have like kind of things that'll happen and go, oh, that's funny. Like, 'cause it really did show what the business was back then to people who didn't even know like, before social media, before all this stuff. - I'll tell you what the, all right. I'll tell you the thing that always stands out to me. 'Cause you know, I've done a decent amount of movies but like always like smaller parts of stuff like that. When we did think like a man, the first one, right? And I think we were just wrapping up "Ontarage For Good" and I remember getting that off. I remember also being terrified. I think I said no, 'cause I'm like, no one's gonna believe that Gabrielle Union wants to marry me. Our whole storyline was like, she wants to marry me and I'm like, I don't know. I'm like, who's gonna fucking believe that? I don't believe it. So I'm like, why would anybody else? I remember just, I didn't want it. I wasn't saying no 'cause I didn't like the script. I was saying no 'cause I'm like, I'm gonna be the one that gets buried in this. So anyway, but I of course did it and it was really, and I know Kevin Hart spoken about that movie, particularly a bunch like, he's been in movies but that was like the vehicle designed for Kevin to like do his thing. And smartly, Will Packer cast people too who early on in social media had big presences already on social. I don't think that movie had a big marketing budget and we did a lot of stuff on social. So shot the movie, we knew it was a great time doing it and then we've seen some screen and we knew it was gonna be good. So now it's coming out the weekend. It was like Easter Sunday or whatever. - Well, you was there. - This is like 2014 or 13, something like that. And so when Aquaman's opening for Vince now, it's like, now I remember, I think like a man was like a $12 million movie. - Yeah. - It wasn't $12 million movie. But we started getting like tracking, right? Like, see how this movie's gonna do. And remember the word being like, hey, if this movie makes like 15 opening weekend huge, probably like number two or three of the box office. - Right. - It gets to like 40, 50 million, you'll get some back end bonuses, it'll be great. - Right. - 'Cause actors never really get these back end bonuses 'cause the movies are never really in profit, right? So, all right, Friday, I'm starting to get the emails. By Saturday, it's like, oh, you're tracking the make like 20. This is great. By Saturday night, it's like, you guys might make 30. So this is where it starts feeling like I don't trust. Now, I didn't think I got an email from Ari Emanuel. I was like, congrats, this thing's gonna be huge. I think it closed out opening weekend number one, 40 million. One of my agents, Richard White at the time, was like, we're going courtside to the Lakers, getting the celebrate. I'm like, I'm Vince, this is like the movie. And we go courtside, it was Lakers Thunder with James Harden. That's how long it all this was. We're sitting in the on-sur-age seat, like these seats and act as a game. It's the game where Ron Arthest, elbow, James Harden, not sound. Both teams needed the game. It was like, playoff position. There's only a last game to the regular season. And then, loose ball comes right at me and my agent. And Kobe Bryant and Sir Jabaca are running full speed at me and my agent. This is on video, and I'll try and get you the clips you can edit this is. Kobe and Sir Jabaca dive face first into us. We had a thousand miles an hour. I literally think I grabbed the woman next to me and it moved like this. Kobe blasts Richard Weiss in the face where their shoulder, our seats get ripped up. And we just, it's like a car accident. - They're all tangled up. - My God. - And like the benches come over and start pulling bodies out. And we're all like pulling Kobe up. And I'm like, what, my agent's bleeding? He's bleeding, he's bleeding, bro. He's a white shirt on, he's bleeding. And I just remember like the bodies are kind of separating. And like Kobe didn't even like look at me, but he kind of like, you guys are all right? Like, yeah, am I right? And then like, I'll call him out. And he's like, good shit this weekend. And went back to the game. And I'm like, I'm like, this is a little too, uh. - That's a lot of good story. - Yeah. And we sat there and said, that's where I was like, this is an episode of "Ansurage." And I've never done the movie star opening weekend thing. - Yeah. - That was cool. To be on the good side, I was on the good side. - Yeah. - I'm not that happy to me. I had a movie that was like at 50 million. It made like, if I were to get back in, it made like 40, like, 8.9 or something. - Conveniently. - I don't. - Conveniently, you stopped it. It's never like, it stopped at point. - No, I gotta say, like, with, with thing like a man one, like we hit all our bonuses and like unbelievable experience. We did the second one and then Kevin, obviously, everyone kind of just went from there. - Weirdly enough, Spider-Man this weekend is now the biggest box opening ever again. - What did it, it did like, a hundred? - Oh, it's, it's the biggest opening of like, six million. - Which was our storyline. - Yeah, they have a whole storyline that they, the biggest thing ever was Spider-Man. Was it actually at the time, it was-- - Toby McGuire's Spider-Man was the highest biggest box office opening of all time. And, you know, we did that fake Aquaman movie and the storyline was like, the entourage guys were like, can we beat Spider-Man? - Yeah. - And the Ari Coyotes, like, it's the biggest movie of all time, relax. - Yeah. - So we're attracting the movie, similarly like I just said, we think like a man and then rolling blackouts hit LA, which, like, the movie theaters get shut down, so it looks like it's gonna just crash and burn. But then, at the end, of course, in true entourage fashion, all the blackouts did was affect the reporting of the numbers and Aquaman was the highest grossing opening movie of all time. Beating Spider-Man. And now Spider-Man, I guess you could say, it's so crazy Spider-Man, it's now number one again, yeah. What kind of stuff do you like? What are stuff that you're watching or do you not watch much? - These days, I unfortunately don't watch as much. I mean, I got into this whole business. I was not a theater kid. It was a love of movies and television. - That's, yeah, me too. - I love movies. I love TV. I used to get fired up when I was like 13 and broken. And my boys were like, let's go to the blockbuster. I'm like, yes, let's go to the blockbuster. And then it started graduating into like other things. And I still was like, can we go to blockbuster guys? Like no way, we gotta go, we'll go into the club at 15 years old. So these days, it's a lot tougher. And then, you know, I got, you mentioned Spider-Man. I started showing my seven-year-old, who loves Marvel, like the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies. So that's been awesome to like watch it all through his eyes. But I watch sports and that's it. It's all I got time for. - Yeah, are you do like MSG better or do you like Gengie Stadium better? - MSG. - MSG. - MSG is the best place to be. - MSG, nowhere like it. I know people are gonna be like, oh, you're just saying that 'cause you wanna keep getting tickets, but. - The tickets are nice, I will. - But I've been going since like '06, right? Like I watched a lot of bad basketball while we were playing in that building, you know? So I feel like, but yeah, I mean, the old Yankee Stadium definitely, I remember going as a kid to smelled like beer and hot dogs and mustard, but it was, you felt ghosts. New Yankee Stadium is dope too, but MSG is five far. - The undefeated. - The best venue in America. - Yeah, it is really cool. There's, I mean, it's very like, you probably have met a lot of these people, but being up there is kind of crazy of all the people that are sitting in that room. - Before you go. - How is the Staples Center energy, is it? - So Staples Center energy was always really good too. So like with the next games, right? Like, you know, when you go with, again, this is, I wanna point out, the one thing for my career that I still always say, the best thing that ever happened to me was like, a little bit of financial security for me and my family, that's been huge and I treasure that and getting to do what I love. Right after that is the Nick's tickets. That's like right after that. 'Cause I've been such a big fan since I was a little boy, so I never take it for granted. I never expect it, but when it happens, like, I soak it in. - You get a big pop too, when they put you up there. - You gotta get a big pop. - I saw a video with Timothy Shilman. He said basically the same thing. He was like, there's one thing in life that I would never take for granted is my active family. - So what I'm about to say might sound like, oh yeah, this is real nice. We'll never get that experience, but like, you know, you go up in that suite and then like, you have some dinner before the game and then you see all, like, all these crazy people start walking. It's like, it's Ben Stiller, it's Fat Joe. Oh, Jay Z is here tonight. Just a guy I'm at, you never know who's gonna walk through that door. - And the food is mad dude. - Yeah, the food is mad dude. - But the coolest thing that ever happened to me at the Staples Center, remember, we shot another thing and I'm proud of the answer, I, we shot at a Laker game. - Oh yeah, you told me about that. - You told me about that. - While the game's going on. - Right, and Staples Center was always very good. So as an actor, how did that even work? - Yeah, I'll tell you what, nobody, usually, you know, we all want more dialogue, give me the show. We were all trying to give our lines away 'cause it's one of the lots of the games. I remember Kevin Dill being like, - I would have been doing his day. - Kevin Dill is like, you want to take this line, but I just don't want to have to talk right now. No, so the first time we did it, I remember, it's like, hey, we got these four seats. I think they might've been the real RE seats or you might, I think you might've got them from like, Joel, still, I don't know how we got the seats. - Right. - And we had cameras with small film mags on them so we could be discreet. And Staples allowed like three of our operators in there. And it was like, one wide, this way, one wide, this way. And then another one I think was kind of roaming, picking up whatever they can. So, and I already told this Kobe story, but once Kobe was, of course, he was out that game. He was injured. - Yeah. - But we were there at four o'clock to rehearse. Kobe's out there injured, getting shots up. And then he like, bet us, he made a bet. He saw us, he didn't really know the show at that point. - Yeah. - And he's like, hundred bucks, half court lefty. Like, done. And he starts launching lefty. By the way, he's missing like barely. So, he went, oh for five, owes us five hundred bucks. But he just stormed off. He didn't pay us and he left. We're like, it's kind of messed up, whatever. So, we're shooting that scene. We're all there. And now it's like a quarter break. And like an equipment manager taps on the shoulder. And he's like, hey, and peels off five hundred bucks. It's from Kobe. And he peels off. We're there, getting money, court side, like stuffing it in our pockets. So that was cool. - Did they show to him? - Does it feel? - No, I have no idea. This is like one of like, a hundred and a half show. - Yeah. - So, staples at the time. I think this might go back to like, Dr. Jerry Bus. Like, they had their like, champion's club. Kind of like a sweet, like, you could go at half time. There's a bar and all that. I don't know what the champion's club or something like that. And then in there, there was like this room. It's like almost like a cigar room. And I think back then you could like smoke in there. And I might have went in there to like, either smoke a cigarette or whatever. And like, I walk in there like Jack Nicholson was in there. And like, hung out and like watched them smoke the cigarette and just talked lakers with them. And I'm like, I always felt like my whole career is a dream I'm gonna wake up from. - Yeah. - And I'm like, oh, that didn't happen. You know when you wake up from a dream and you're like, bummed, that didn't happen. - Yeah. - I wish I can go back to sleep. I still waiting for that day. - Yeah. - The stuff like that doesn't happen. - Yeah, that was me after I came back from the next parade. I'm like, oh, yeah. - I'm like, holy shit, like this is real. - The next parade was unbelievable, right? - The craziest, craziest, I told the story on the podcast, but MSG they invited me to the parade. But I was on the bus with like the MSG partners and everything. 'Cause they had like, yeah, everyone that comes to the games, like mostly they had us like all over the place. Like some of us were on the alumni bus, some of us were on like part of the bus and then our dousmic brides brother just hit me. He's like, yo, where are you at? I'm like, bro, I'm on this bus. I'm like, I'm at board, whatever. And he's like, no, just coming to our flow, coming to our flow. And then like me and my home girl, we just hop off the bus and then we just walking through the hopery and get into dousmic brides flow. And he's like, he would take a shot. - Bro, we on the boat, we on the boat. - That's unbelievable. - Crazy, and then I said this before. - The dream. - Yeah, literally a dream. Dousmic brides getting off the float like every two seconds, like going into the crowd showing mad love, holding the float like six minutes out of the hopery. Like he was just showing mad love to his fans. It was crazy, bro. - I'm such a crazy fan. Like I had opportunities to go to some of the playoff games and I said, no, I can't handle it. Like I love the team so much. - It's a lot. - He passed out when they came back. - Yeah, yeah, that game before I wasn't at the game. I was watching it at a spot. I usually watch the game when I don't go. When I tell you, I passed out from screaming so loud. - Also like once they went on their playoff streak. - Oh my God. - I would tell my seven-year-old who's like exactly how I was with the Nix set seven. I'm like, we can't ever leave this spot on the couch. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We got out of here. And like the game, my wife had to go upstairs. Every time, like the Cavs game that came back from 29 down, she watched the whole first half of us. Cavs are smoking us. I'm like, you need to go upstairs. She went upstairs and they came back at one. See? - This is like that. - She would peek out from us. - I need to sit right here in this spot. I need the same exact drink I had last time. - Dude, we cried when they went, we were like, we were like, what the heck? - We were saying Antonio, and they were down like 16, almost the whole game. And I'm like, gee, I'm like, yo bro, I know we didn't come out here just for this bro. I'm like, we gotta go back home to watch some thing again, six bro. And he's like, he looked at me straight in my, he's like, they're not losing. It's just trust. He's like, they're not fucking losing. I'm like, bro, I'm like, it's not looking good. And JB just starts fucking, oh, crazy. - I just really think when I'm old and dying on my deathbed and people like family are coming to see me, I'm gonna be like, I still can't believe the next one. - Yeah. - I just can't believe it. - Yeah. - And I'm just gonna die. - I've seen the funniest comment before, and someone was like, when I die, bear me in a next jersey, 'cause I might come back. - Yes. (laughing) - 'Cause I might come back so soon. - So no. - Actually, does anyone have any fan questions for Jerry? Anyone that they can think of, they want to come slide on and ask them. - I mean, I know. I just talked like about everything, and I just don't shut up. - Dude, I could have a four hour episode with you. I swear to God. - Awesome. - Can anybody have one? - I got one from him. - Yeah. - Come here. - Yeah. - Come, come, come sit on him. - Yeah, just talk into it. Talk into it. Talk to him. - Like the microphone. - When is the new episode of the new season of you and Tommy? - I have no clue. - Yeah, it was start filming, I don't know. - Nah, yeah, they're projected. They want to start filming towards the end of the year. Trying to get at least one episode before next year starts. So I can say to expect that I don't want to make any promises, but you could be expecting it to come out probably mid next year. Like mid next year, they mid next year. - Hell yeah. - Thank you, bro. Anyone else? - Appreciate you, bro. - Come on. - Come on. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah, come on. - Oh no, man. Love the salad. He's sat between the three of you. - All right, so I want to know for all three of you guys, what's your relationship like with the city of Cleveland because one of my friends was texting me before this and he said that he heard a rumor that you were living in Cleveland now and I said, "I don't think that's true." - I'll give you that for a second. - It was in the party bus. - But like, have you been here before? I know I've seen you around. I know your boys with Kells obviously, but have you been here before Michael and then Jerry, like I want to know what your guys' relationship is like with it? What are your thoughts on it? Just dive all into all that for me. I'd love to know. - I've been here twice. - Yeah. - And being on the same weekend. I had a lot of fun. And then I came, I think that was it actually. Yeah, I think about it. I came, and then we did, or was that the same weekend? - Same weekend. - Same weekend. - It was like four or six. - But it feels like it was like I came like twice. But I guess that was my first, this is probably my second time here, but I love it here. - Yeah, I have a fun time. - Yeah. - Kells, the boys, they show a lot of fun here. - Jerry? - I do, in fact, live here. So I married a beautiful woman. Beautiful woman. Love you. - And you're up in Cleveland. And so I've been coming here 'cause our family's still here over the years. And I've always loved the city. - I know some of the big sports guys, so like Cleveland fans and sports fans, like I just enjoy it. Like the Browns were like, where the Knicks were is like, where the Browns kind of are, and I didn't talk to trash. Like, if the Browns ever win a Super Bowl, stay out, Cleveland might be over after that. - Yeah. - Like, it's gonna go. - We're gonna go, yeah. - Such a good sports town. So many cool people. So when we started having kids, she wanted to be a little bit close to her family. It's close and up to New York, as Michael just threw out into the drive. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know exactly how. - Yeah, my, like I canceled like three times. - Yeah. - And I was like, I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna just drive it. - You ready? - It was like a seven, almost seven hours. - So we moved here a few years ago when we started having kids. And I gotta say, 20 years in LA, 20 years in New York, which was amazing. It's been like four years here. It's five years, it's, I like to pay. I was ready for like the pacing of it. I was ready for it. - The winter though, however. - Oh, it's wrong. - It's winter out here. - Oh, but it's the wall and game of thrones. Like you could sense the wall. - Yeah, just sitting over here having the LA New York to beat, I'm over there going. - Yes, no, Cleveland is great. - Yeah, it is, it's a great city. I mean, what Kels has done, like with shooters, which we're shooting now. Shout out to Kels. - Shout out to Kels. - Thank you for letting us shoot here. 27 Club. I mean, everyone in this city loves him. It's just like, and I love coming here because the energy is always like so positive. And so happy that he's here, 'cause I'm always here when they're here. So I guess I'm only coming here for the Nix Parade. I guess. It's like only going to New York when the Nix Parade is happening. So I love it. The winter, it's tough. When we did NBA all start weekend, I was tough, but like, that was in February, that's the year. It was the winter. - I mean, rumor, I bury me in rumor. I love that place. Have you been there? Have you been in rumor? - I have actually been to rumor. - The other time I turned back the clock the whole night. - Yeah, it's been a few years tonight. No rumor tonight. - Yeah, it's true. - It's the night. - But yeah, I love the city. - So yeah, thank you. - I got one question for you though. - Yeah, yeah. - During the whole LeBron making his decision. How much did you believe that he was gonna come back home? - I believe it's so much fun. - Honestly, I believed it so much. I really did, this is a sore subject for me. I got to be honest. I really was like, buying in. I was getting ready. And I'm really pissed at LeBron honestly. It just drives me crazy because to me, the first time he did it, I think he needed to go to Miami and kind of like do that like college. So to speak, kind of learn how to win, be a winner, and then come back and win for us. And this time it just felt like it should have been like the swan song to end his career. He knows that we need it. We've needed a three now. I mean, you guys are sports guys. We've needed a defense. - Some might say. - Two. We've needed a two way wing for the last several years since we've been good with Donovan Mitchell again. And yeah, it just felt like he stabbed us in the back this time. And it just was random. Like Philly, like, I don't like, I mean, they said he was gonna go to New York if that was not, that was never had not won the championship. I do think there's a good chance he could have went to New York honestly. I don't, I don't, you don't think so? - No, I don't think so. - Yeah, I'm just, I don't know like, and I also, I don't know about you guys. I'm not, I don't think Philly's gonna be half as good as people think they're gonna be. - Takes. - Yeah. - It means I'm gonna skip Bayless was coming in. - That's right, that's right. Yeah, no, I think, I mean, I don't know. I think, and B's not healthy, they're gonna struggle. I mean, it's that simple. And there's only so much ball to go around. Not to mention that Jalen Brown forced his way out of Boston because he wanted to be the number one. And now he's arguably the number three or four. So like, what's gonna happen there? I'm really interested to see. - And you gotta go through the mix. - You need a ball. - And you gotta, boy, you gotta go through the mix. - As much as I, don't like the mix right now. - It's like, especially since '22. The cap, Cleveland fans and New York mixed fans have a, we understand each other. - Yeah, yeah, absolutely. - And I would be very happy if the Browns went to Super Bowl for the people here. - Yeah, I mean, that's, I was pulling for the mix, honestly, against San Antonio. I was definitely pulling for that. - I'm gonna reach out, we'll talk some sports. - Hey, let's do it, hey, don't mean to hog up all your guys' time. - Sorry. - Appreciate you, Brett. - Let's get a picture. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I just wanna meet you, bro. - Oh, hell yeah. - Yes, sir. - Okay. - Thank you. - Okay, okay, okay. The intermission, let's go. - What's up, y'all? - What's up, what's up, what's up? - Yo, chilling. All right, so, I got a question. So, racing can you just end it? - Mm-hmm. - Legacy is coming up. How do y'all feel about that? Like, how do you feel? - I feel, I'm excited. The viewers, the supporters of the show, they've been wanting something to continue from, at least from ghosts or from, from, from force though. - I'm glad they get the people who want it. - Speaking of force. Now, the way you can through for Tommy like that. - Mm-hmm. - I gotta say, bro, that was so fucking savage. I said to reach safe, catch you, let's go. - Yeah, now, when they said I was gonna, I was gonna show up in there and do that. I was excited. - I literally, like, that was a moment. Like, that was a moment that we was praying for like, it's three gold being forced. I can say, I'll bring those back. Like, it was so many questions, bro. - I was praying too 'cause Tommy came to, he came in to ghost a few times. So I'm like, my turn, when are we here? When are we gonna cross over into force? I was waiting here. - And then, like, the scene we y'all saw the rooftop, and you look at the time and say, why don't we just start on shit? - Mm-hmm. - And then they play that, that opening scene, that that opening theme song. They say, this is a big risk. Try not to say, okay, okay. - Did you, did you, did you, did you think something was gonna come out to that? Did you, like, did you, did you? - Like, really? - I was speculating that, hmm, one of the three can tell me where the team up. Now, like, after watching that, I'm like, oh shit, the y'all know the team up. So it's like, it's dope, pick up so you guys shout out to the next, El Gia, welcome to Cleveland, man. Welcome to Cleveland. - Appreciate it, thank you. - I'll say, I appreciate it. - Appreciate it. - We'll show. - Thank you for something for the ride home. Appreciate it. - Nice to meet you, bro. - Appreciate you. - Were you actually shot, we'll get out of here in a second, but were you actually shot when they brought you back for ghost? - Like, when you got that call, yeah, because, you know, I know there's been like, dream kind of sequence things before, like, but they didn't really do that stuff at least. - They hated that type of shit. - Right. - Like, she hated flashbacks, she hated like, you know, like, what if, or like, the. - So, I guess when I got the call, I was like, how is this gonna work? Like, what? - I forgot to happen. - They brought that whole episode. - That just reminded me of that whole episode. - And it definitely did that. I definitely remember two, 'cause I was still in New York at the time, being like, do I remember how to do the proctor thing? - Yeah, that's funny. - You know, put the suit on and then it comes right back. - Yeah, you know. - You had some nice suits when you were on. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Suits the paint. - Topping a lot. - That was, yeah. - It's a lot different from what I did in Otrash, which is always like, hat and sweats. - Well, they actually, I'm curious about this. Did they let you pick your outfits in Otrash? - Oh, I wouldn't say I picked, but every year we'd go in for the fitting and there'd be a lot of stuff. And as it went on, I started to voice my opinion a little more. In the beginning, again, I'm like, the rookie. So I'm like, I'll wear whatever you tell me to wear. Don't get fired, that's the mode. - But as it went on a little bit. - You're like, oh, really like that, I want to be. - I pushed for the more, let's drop the Air Force ones and go more Jordan. - Right, yeah. - Maybe no more jorts. - Turn the rock towards Jordan. - I like the jorts, so early season one. - The jorts, kind of back. - This is coming back. The jorts are coming back now, the jorts are coming back. - It's all, it all goes in rotation. - I got some jorts in my suitcase right now. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. - So this episode was, thankfully, brought to you by M.G.K.A. Cleveland and Weeble. I, my question for you, in partner with Weeble is, okay, if I was on Entourage, 20 years ago, when you were on it, I would have bought some dumb shit. - Yes, okay. - Oh no, we definitely would have been five. - I still buy dumb shit. But Entourage, I want to know the best thing you ever bought for investing and I want to know the dumbest thing you ever bought. Okay, which one do you want first? I think we go first. best and then we end up with dumb as uh I'd say overall the best thing that still has impacted me in a positive way was investing in real estate like that uh got a building in Williamsburg you know bought my mama house that she still lives in and like that's all stuff that's like still there right and it's gone up in value and I would say that was like a smart thing at a young age to do now we go to the other side um do I went out I like I didn't do this right away this was like later in the show we had stability but yeah got a mazerotti it was like yeah I can't be like you bro you pull all that stuff off I see you on Instagram you're you're like a fast and furious dude like I see his your stuff why don't you're in stuff doesn't pop up for me we just love it he doesn't post that on though he does that on his that's the private stuff yeah yeah so like I wasn't even really that dude I'm like I gotta take this thing back and I just remember like uh you're turning in a three year length after like four months that's gonna be expensive so that hurt yeah uh I've invested in several failing businesses really oh yeah one of them we don't need to bring out and that one actually didn't fail that one did very well yeah but um look I always like say this to the young people like I was pretty smart with money I gotta say but I definitely like if I go back in time and I total up the the helping people at and you should help people if you can but at some point it's gotta end yeah and um I always tell people now especially if you're if you're in the acting business with commission and stuff but like someone asked you to borrow a thousand bucks they're not asking you borrow a thousand bucks they're asking to borrow like 2500 because for you to clear a thousand bucks you got to make like 2500 yeah so not so someone asked you to borrow five thousand they're really asking to borrow like twelve thousand so when you start thinking of it that way it's like no stop get away from me okay it's not like oh come on it's a thousand bucks no it's it's it's almost two grand so I'm happy I helped a lot of people yeah over the years I don't think anyone's ever paying me back bro yeah you know and like but it's hard to become all right you know in your mind I'm not loaning at this money because I'm never getting it back you have to be okay with giving it to me like I'm never seeing again and if you are right with that help the person out if they if you feel like they deserve it but I give someone three men so now that's basically like fucking I just think okay you know someone how much like three men I do the same about so now it's like like fucking fifteen days yeah not when I'm looking at interest yeah if I look at it like you gotta earn to like after tax recognition then what you could have made just kind of like letting that sit somewhere yeah yeah next time someone calls me ask for money I'm gonna say although I gotta call Jerry call me as yeah I gotta call my financial advisor I invested in a a car wash row that I don't think ever opened up really oh yeah oh yeah so like what like before you make it this isn't same investment like like certain companies like what is it like what do you see you be like all right maybe this this could work or you just like well again back then it was always like someone I knew right and again you number one you want to help out right number two you're making great money so you're and at the time out so young you're not thinking about oh you might have three children one day who all right you just don't think like it's easy to become prisoner of the moment you're in as I did and then like I don't know I guess I always tried to like believe yeah all right maybe y'all right maybe you'll pull this off right everyone I do believe deserves a shot but then at some point as it happens a few times again I didn't I'm not gonna say I I blew through like 200 grand or anything but yeah it definitely was a hundred and after a while you start to be like I'm I'm the fool here you know I'm the sucker yeah so I started just doing the hey I might might know and you should know for the future with um hey look I'm no longer in control of my finances let me direct you to my my guy or my girl and then they're just hard no yeah sorry no explanation no they've support that like yeah you've got to give someone to be able to say that no so you don't have to because you know I'm gonna do my little brother my phone and go yeah I gotta call this guy yeah especially like I said but someone you know that you even need to care about again look if someone needs help yeah but if they're like hey I got the next great yeah oh god it won't it will come to me as we wrap up this bit yeah but um yeah man car washes food in the street bars yeah all right well this was everything I could have ever hoped for and more um Jerry Ferrara finally on the podcast um we got what we'll have you back for another I mean I feel like there could be a part two of course who's been on more than once who would like you are the people friends of the show Alex LaPrie yeah we've been on like three times now she's been on three uh we have patina Miller yeah she's been on twice McIe Curtis has been on three times Chris Lofton has been on a bunch they're all all like the power but do you know Chris because he was on haulers I met Chris when he was on ball yeah yeah uh so we've we've had on a bunch of people twice I think we got I think that yeah well let's do this in New York Lee in LA Lee we'll do it all again yeah and um yeah man I feel like we just were getting going too yeah oh I mean we could go around we got we really could get some for next time plug plug your podcast everything that you have like put it all out there well throwbacks with me and Matt liner we talk sports we're gonna get my man on right there I'm sure he has Ohio State thoughts and look man you know we I always say like with us all the real true work is like getting the stuff made so the two or three things I would love to talk about easily could pick a turn and like not happen so I'll come back when those three things are oh yeah a little more real not and I don't think I'm authorized really wait wait can we what's uh listen Gen Z Gen Z bringing it back man shout out why like what's happening with it why are people trying to make it like who owns the rights what do we have to do it's it's obviously HBO and Warner's you know Walberg love dog did they want to do it did I know dog wants to do it but like this left not want to do it is no I think everybody yeah would do it if they're like if there was an audience for yeah and I think there is and what but now I think for some reason it's like there is a resurgence like I've got my nephews graduation in Staten Island really and at the end of the graduation is like 400 seniors all at the same haircut uh were like unbutt like blown away to meet me I'm like guys I'm a hundred years old so like we watched the entourage in a day and a half in the wild you didn't do anything else so when you start seeing the younger people catch it on that's when things become more real because they're the ones going the movies right watching shows they obviously it's coming back to how universe in a big way too so put it in there you never know man need a cameo need a can't come back man I still feel bad bro I love when people are like I should have just locked the door bro and dealt with the concept I like with this I love when people are like if it's like young ghost and Tommy you're going to be in now I'm like how am I gonna play yeah also how am I going to play the like 16 year old version of proctor yeah like he wasn't the thing wasn't the lawyer at that I like how did you get to that question of like am I going to be in the young version people ask me if I'm going to be in I'm like what do you mean like being a fucking tosser I guess right now like the age you down baby Mike you know but keep doing the thing guys thank you dude thank you for pulling up we appreciate it shout out shooters we bull MGK day everyone follow Jerry Ferrara check out his podcast Michael Rainey Jr give us one the cool hasn't you have it 34 hours thank you guys for pulling up your feet in the painting last one's in the airport by breakfast day one day one