"Jennifer Lopez"

(upbeat music) - I'm crying. Notice Jason, I'm doing a cold open. I'm a real snackie. It was Carbohydrates, they're crunchy, they're salty. They're not good for me, but man, it feels good. Doesn't it feel good, gang? To do a nice, crunchy, salty snack. Or do you like the gooey, sweet ones? I don't know, maybe a combo of both is great, right? But what's do you start with? What's your end with? What do you put in between? (sighs) I know what you put in between. You put in a nice big fat, well-cooked episode of SmartLos. (imitates farting) Welcome to SmartLos. - Smart. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Oh, fuck, the stress. You know guys, I can't have the stress. I lost my voice and it's just now come back a little bit. I still have a little brand of car. - Are you screaming at people on time? Is it from the next games or is it just. - Yeah, screaming at people on time. - No, I think it was, it was a, it was a. - I want my chair over here. (laughs) - It was, I think it was a cold or it might have been allergies. - No. - I mean, yeah. - It started so, it started, yeah, it started my throat and it went to my nose and then it landed on my vocal cords. - You're a little fragile. - Jason's a little fragile. I feel like this is the first time we're meeting the real JB right now. - And I was a little frazzled getting to Mike today because that's what we call it, right? Getting to Mike. - Getting to Mike, sure. - Because I wanted to have my teeth brushed for you. Do you guys brush your teeth for me? - Of course, always. - No, not me. - You don't. - Don't you brush your teeth. Did you sleep with a whiter on too long last night? - No, I went to the dentist yesterday and he's like, I don't wipe my teeth. - How about that? - And you smoke and you drink coffee. - I know, and you drink coffee. - And you self-tan. - I thought, don't self-tan. That's the one where don't make me mad. (laughs) You and Kimmel, Kimmel, nobody loves hitting me my tan more than Molly. - But where do you self-tan mean? You just lays out that. - That's like a cream. - But where do you find the time and how is it always so even, Mr. Trump? - Well, you know, you know, (laughs) you know what I do every day. I do my walk every day. And so that's like an error. - I don't talk to me like I'm fucking watching you do and you're fucking heavy hands and shit. - You know what my roots are. - Your Velcro ankle weights. - You know my roots. - Is it, but my real-- - With my weight vest. Somebody took a picture of me with my weight vest yesterday on LomaVi. (laughs) - Oh really, I gotta see that. - But will, I spend a lot of time when I'm not working on the golf course as we're aware. - What? - Yeah. - That's five hours of sun exposure and I wear 100. So you're saying you're 20 minutes-- - I don't wear. - Okay, that's what it is. - A, and B, I don't wear a bucket hat. - Right. - Right? - So you wear no sun protection whatsoever. You're kind of bragging about that right now to get yourself that nice color. - I'm not bragging about it. - I'm not, first of all, fucking cool it. It's early for me to die, okay? - I've had skin cancer already. I had something shaved off my eye, remember that? Let me go in there and get it all scraped off. - I get checked, I have a friend of mine and she's giving me a lot of shit about sunscreen lately. - Is these checks that you pay for, or is it, you say a friend? - Like a close friend of mine. - Does she check for ticks at the same time? - All those tough to find spots. - We'll find another one, she just cleans it out. - Like a zit. - You know, you covered in ticks. - I want to find a couple of leeches too. - I have to remove the poison. - The ticks of the tick. - Oh my gosh. - So wait, you've got it, yeah, now you're getting into a sweat because you're thinking about all the possible risks you're taking. - I also had four coffees today, so having a coffee sweat. - Yeah. - You know, we were at dinner the other night J.B., you were missed. - I know. - You were missed and Jen brought a photo up from our big family trip from a few years back where we went with all the kids and everything. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - God, I love that. - And there's a photo of all of us and then my head's sticking out the back. Remember how dad I was? My hair's sticking up and I've got zinc on my lips and I look like a crazy person, right John? (laughing) - We passed around the photo and everybody had something to say about it. - And I've never seen it. No, I've never seen it before. I was like, what is, I look like it. - Yeah, you look like you look like a predator. - Like you guys came to the island and found me there. - Yeah. - I'd laid out, you know, I'd written in the saying, the SOS. - We have to go back there. - I know. - Go back guys. - It'd be fun to go now with the kids a little bit older before. - See, how's it now? It's fun being back for the weekend, yeah? - It's very nice to be back for the weekend, yes. - I'm going to your Q&A, Jay, tomorrow at Netflix because I want to, I know that you're doing a Q&A session. - Friday, what the hell are you doing there? - Well, I'm just going to go because I want to ask you questions about directing and stuff. I know you're getting good things. - Good. - And so I got a email from Netflix about it. Like come join us, I'm like, oh, I'm filming. - Where are the zinc on your nose so that when you hold your hand up? - Yeah, I'm going to put a fake mustache in a hat and then I'm going to sit in the bag. And I'm going to be like, I'm going to question. - No, you should, you should play the crazy Italian guide from our podcast. (laughing) - Yeah. - I love it, I can have it. (laughing) - What is wrong with these brothers are crazy. (laughing) - You're not him. - I can't believe they said you would invite. - No, I should, a different friend of mine got an email about it and they said it to me and I was like, oh, fucking send me that. I want to go, I want to go show up and crash. How good, and they need, you know what? I did have the thought. I was like, if I did it, then I make it about me and I'm not going to go and do that. - Now, please, please, please, please do. - I do it enough, there's so many people listening right now who are nodding, going, I know. You do make it about, you can show up, we need your stupid stories. - But what about, like, yeah, so I'm here this weekend to do this, these interviews and stuff for DTF and for Black Rabbids and it's all talking, it's all talking, it's, you know, including this podcast, and I was looking at, literally 36 hours ago, I couldn't, I couldn't, everything was like this, I couldn't even say it. - Oh really? - And I was like, oh my God, I've got like five days of work ahead, I mean, that's just talking. Luckily, I got a little prednisone at me and an animal. - Yeah, good, good. - You know what, I was talking to our buddy who's doing Dog Day afternoon, not John Brinthal, but I was talking to you guys know John Ortiz is the best, he's a great actor and he's a good buddy of mine. And he is on Broadway right now and he has a really bad cold and it's a night, he's like, it's a nightmare scenario. - Yeah, I almost called you, Sean, 'cause I knew you'd probably have some fancy Broadway doctor that knows what to do with vocal stuff. - Always, I have, it's two, the best. - The boots are the best. - I'll text you. - I'll text you. - Wait, wait, is that, is it, wait, Sean, are you getting rid of paddles and going with boots? - Right now he's boots, right now he's boots. - Oh, boots, McGee, yeah, and boots, that's a boot on. - Sean's got a point that he wants to make. I saw him, who are you looking at off camera who's giving you the cue to go into it, is this guy? - No, nobody, me, it's me. - Okay. - I'm looking at all of you. No, we have to go because our guest is super famous and she has to work. - Oh, sorry. - Okay, here we go. - I should have got dressed up. I mean, well, I got undressed. - Which is please back on it. - I'm gonna put a nice patch, me down. - Oh, guys, my guest day, who I love and I live for, grew up in Castle Hill, New York, the middle of three sisters in an apartment. - Andrew Martin, so small, they all shared a bed. There was always music in the house with constant reenactments of West Side Story. I could do the whole thing with her. - Chenoweth. - But her parents still hope she'd become a lawyer. Instead, she left college to pursue dance full time, left home and ended up sleeping in a Manhattan dance studio, somewhere along the way. She taught Carrie Washington how to dance. He can't wait to ask about that. This became the first Latina actress ever paid a million dollars for a movie role. - And Marino. - Briefly been on this podcast before. It's the beautiful, multi-talented and unstoppable. - Jennifer Lopez. - Lopez. - Yes. - Go away. - We really got it. Very nice. - It's very cute for you. - No, when you said briefly and then I remember you briefly on Yes. - Yeah. - I was so close to the Andrew Martin. God dammit. - So close. - Oh my God, Jen, what are you drinking? - Hi there. - A little cappuccino. - Oh nice. - What do you go with for the milk on that? Are we almond? Are we dairy? - I like a 2% milk. I know everybody with fancy oats and almonds. - Yes, no. - So I cow milk all the way. - Jason, Jason responds to that. - Are you beta? - I know, but I feel, I got word from one of those doctors back in the day that I'm lactose intolerant or I'm bad with the dairy or something like that. And so I've just never had like cow milk since then. Plus, I did see a documentary once where they said the very disgusting fact, which is humans are the only species that drink the milk of another animal. - Right. - I don't care. - I don't care. It is weird, isn't it? - It is weird, it is weird. - I'm the same way, I don't care. - I know, you drink full tall glasses of milk. - I don't care. - And it tastes so good. - It tastes so good. - Plus, Jennifer Lopez is always working out and exercising and staying in good health so she can have milk in her coffee. - I try. - Right. - It's not about that, it's not about that. - What I mean, you know, you have to, if you're going to do it, you kind of have to balance it. - Says. - Jennifer Lopez says Dr. Ding Dong. - You look very healthy, you look very, very healthy. - You look very thin Dong. - Thank you. - Yeah. - Jen, thank you for doing this. I'm so excited you're here. This is a long time coming for me. You've been on my lessons. We started. - Oh, you're sweet. - Wow, this is exciting. - It's true, and I know we kind of know each other and I love you too. - Yes, we do, yes, together. - Yeah, we work together many times over the years on the Will and Grace and something else too. I can't remember what it was. - Do we? - I think so. - I realized I'm so bad that, you know, you get to a point where you've done so much with so many people and people are like, we did that like the other day, I don't hate me. I was watching Monster in Law. - Oh my God. - And I forgot you were in. - You were? - I forgot. - Yeah, that's what happens with him. - No, no, because it was just so long ago. I mean, I don't want to say how many years ago it was, but it was so long. - Was not during your rest of development, Willie? You did that? - It was 21 years ago, it was the summer of 2005. - 21 years ago. - You know, Jennifer's, I'm admiring your beautiful printer in the background there. I then noticed that Sean, you've moved the award, didn't you have an award behind you last week? - Yes, because you made fun of me. - And I made fun of you, you moved it. - Yeah, I did, but it's just right there, both of them. - But what about how, Jen keeps it real. She's got a fucking printer in the right frame. - That's a big sum. - Okay, I'm in a hotel. - We are. - Where? - In New York. I was here for the upfront, so I'm just here. - No, but you know, people stack their awards behind them when they do zooms. - Yeah, I do. - Yeah, yeah. - No, you don't. - In my office at home, I have like a wall of all these awards. - All behind you for the Zoom. - They're just there, and then you sit in your desk and they're there. - You've got so many. You can't point them in and you do exactly the same thing. - Jason, where are you gonna put them in your office there? Or, yeah, by the way, they're in the basement now. - I was looking behind him, he can't fit him in the whisper booth. - I can't. - There's not one. There's not one. - Why is it so dark in there? - I don't know. - So that his tan pops. - This is my booth, but hang on a second, I'm gonna show you. - He's getting a nice bounce off his teeth, though. - The shorts. - I know. - The shorts. - What age do you stop by in shorts? - First of all, first of all, look at these. - Oh, that's a hockey glove. - These are special Toronto Maple Leafs. - I can't. - Limited Toronto Maple Leafs. - One of the Toronto Maple Leafs ever had a green hockey glove. - There used to be the Toronto St. Pats when they first started. - Why would I look at this, Jason? Do you remember this? I've somehow kept this after all these years. - What is it? Is that the Wanna Maker from the PGA Championship? - It's called the VH-1 Big-No-4. And we got it, we went for a rest in somehow. I've kept this stupid history. - Wait, so we got one trophy and you got to keep it? - Yeah, obviously every elected me 'cause they were like, who's the most deserving? - Is VH-1 still going? - I don't know. - Yeah, I think so. - Hey, Jonathan, welcome to the show. - Question for the guest, please, Sean. - No, not at all. - Gotta break in. - Let's just chit chat. - Well, it's fine. - You know, but it's the thing about like, we worked together three times and we'll embrace. And the first time, God did we laugh a lot. I mean, I was kicking you in literally physically, kicking you in the ass, jumping in between your legs and like dancing like fools. It was ridiculously hilarious. And you were so game, and I think you're so game for so many things and, you know, in researching. - Yeah, too many things sometimes. - No, no, no, but you know, in doing all this research before today, you realize, oh, I don't really, I've never done a deep dive on you. We always have chit chat and have a good time, you know. - You never asked her anything important. You were just worried about yourself. - That's right. I was always like, it went to the next question about me. But so before we get into it, I just wanna say, I realized doing all this stuff, how rare, your kind of drive is your work ethic, the ambition, the discipline you've been doing at such a high level for decades. - I mean, if you've seen her documentary, that documentary is just like, I think I had a chance to run into you after I saw and said how much I love it. It's so impressive. I mean, not only just well made, but the scope of it, I mean, your career is incredibly stacked. It's incredibly non-stop. And this is another thing we'll talk about later, but the thing you do for women in general, whether you do it intentionally or not, I'm sure some of it is intentional. You make them feel empowered. You show them that talent and beauty and sexuality. You can have all that at any age and you're fearless about all that. How aware of, are you aware of how much permission that gives people are you too busy working to even think about it? - I'll say this, when I was starting out, and I had just started doing like my clothing line. So I had been acting for a while, I'm dancing and singing for a while, had my first records out and things like that. So this is fuck, I don't know, 20 years ago. And I was working with a few girls in my office who were like friends who I just hired, you know? And I remember saying, like it was getting overwhelming. And I said, I just, this is so fucking much. Why am I doing this? And she goes, Jennifer, if you can't, and I probably had just went through some break up and fucking everything had blown up in my face again. And you know what I mean? I was just like, I just don't know if I can go and she goes, Jennifer, if you can't do it, none of us can do it. And when she said that to me, I never forgot it. And I thought to myself, oh, people look at me in certain ways, especially girls, like women. Like inspiration for sure. They're like, and it gave me like a feeling of responsibility to do things right all the time. A responsibility you like or didn't want? I don't mind it because I am a hard worker and I do have discipline. Like I started running track when I was, you know, I don't know, like eight or nine years old and I was practicing every day. Like I always had kind of like an athlete's kind of drive and work ethic. That makes sense. So, yeah, and I did track for walks, gymnastics, I played softball, like I was very much an athlete before I fell in love with dancing. And once I fell in love with dancing, sports went out the window. Right, because it is a sport. It is a sport. And it was just an easy transition. But also because I grew up on musicals with my mom and all of that. And I loved them so much. It was like, I always wanted to sing and dance and act. But when it took its natural time, I really like left everything behind and just fell in love with that. But that really made me feel, that exchange stayed with me even all these years later because it just made me feel like, like don't fuck it up. Like do the right things. People are watching you for whatever reason. Maybe because I was, you know, Puerto Rican and from the Bronx and came from similar places where all these people, you know, people come from. You know, I wasn't like born in Hollywood and, you know, kind of that thing. And so there was a real, Jason, a real like idea in my mind of like, you have to do things right. Don't, don't fuck it up, you know. And work for it. Yeah. And do it. Do it. Like do the thing. Like go for it. Go for it. Yeah. What was first for you? Was it an example of someone who was just an incredible inspiration as far as their accomplishments? Was that first or was it being inspired by seeing an incredible dancer or musician or actor? Or when you were a little girl, what was the first thing that inspired you? Was it accomplishment or was it a specific town? No, it was the arts. Like I, from when I was very little, I remember, you bought up Rita Moreno and you bought up what I'd story right before as you were trying to guess what I was. That's all he does. That's all he does for you. And it really was Rita Moreno for me. Oh, really? Really? Yes. Yes. Yes. I did want her to be my mom watching a lecture company. I said to my mother once when I was a tiny little kid, I said, I want her to be my mom. Yes. She wouldn't. And she's so amazing. And the thing is, is like, I, my mom watched what I'd story in the theater when it first came out. And she made us watch it every single year. I don't even remember the first time I saw it. Three years old, four years old, five years old. But I do remember watching it on TV one Thanksgiving 'cause it came on once a year and thinking, that's what I want to do. I want to sing and dance and act. I want to dance around. I want to say, my mother was kind of that way as well. And very kind of vivacious take over the room type of person. And I wasn't like that. I was more like my dad. I was more quiet and kind of like to myself. But at that part I had. Like, I wanted to sing and dance and shake my ass too. My mom was doing it. I just imagine you dancing and singing around like the living room. And stuff like that. Like kids do because like, that's when we have no fear and no sense of, you know. Dance like nobody's watching, you mean? Right, but then there's that moment. We all hit when we're about, I don't know, 10, 11 or something. Where you start to become aware of shame and embarrassment and what other people might be thinking. And there's that transition that, it's almost a sad transition that you see kids go through where they become self-aware. But then, you know, you hope that they gather sort of coping skills to kind of have self-assuredness and kind of push through that and have their confidence take over and to be able to push through that. Do you remember that moment where you stopped kind of dancing like no one was watching and you were aware people were watching and were able to push through that? I think this is what makes me a little different. That never happened. - No, I was never afraid to make a fool of myself. - That's why. - Like, I was always just like, it's fine, I fell down. And maybe that was part of the athlete, part two. You know what I mean? Like it was just like, you're gonna, you know, make mistakes, you're gonna fall, you're gonna do the, like I was ready, I'm like, get back a very scrappy. - Part of learning, part of success. - Yeah. - We'll be right back. And now, back to the show. I was thinking about when you started and really started to sort of break through and I kind of want to get into what that was 'cause I'm not sure I really know what that thing was. - I have questions about it. - Thank you, Sean, this is not your time. I'd like to reclaim my time. Jennifer, I wonder if you know like the moment when you broke through and you broke through on such a global level in such a way that is very, very rare where everybody in the world knows who you are and just bear with me, that you, that you have the moment where you were that kind of dawns on you, the level of recognition and fame. And then you as a person, the gap of you catching up to that and being okay with that on that kind of a level, do you remember that time was it a struggle kind of between you and it? - It was the worst. It was, honestly, it was the worst. It was, I had just done Selena and the movie came out and I was still walking around Hollywood like going on auditions, like it was still that time. But it had just come out and I was walking down the street and for the first time somebody was like, "Hey, hey!" And they come running towards me and I thought, "My fucker's gonna mug me. What the fuck is going on right now?" Like I got really nervous and I was just like any woman in the world, you know, we're threatened by others. So many things, like we're so scared all the time in a weird way and I was just walking to the store from my apartment in LA and it was just so jarring to me. And then I realized they were like, "I saw you in whatever." And I was like, "Oh." I was like, but my thing was like, "I don't know you." Like I don't know you, like what are you doing? Like back up, don't touch me. I was so scared. And I remember it dawning on me. I was like, "Oh, you're not anonymous anymore. "Your anonymity is gone." Yeah. And I think in my mind I thought, "You can't get that back." That's something that's lost forever. And I remember that's when I started having panic attacks and I had terrible time for me. Yeah, can you talk about that when you were filming enough, right? No, that was another time. That was when I overworked myself. It was so bad. But that story-- What would I do to realize my limits? Yeah, but I read about that in preparation for this. And that's fascinating to me because I love medical stories. Can you say what happened and why? Yeah. So that was the kind of getting used to like fame and realizing your life had changed in a way that you couldn't control anymore. Or go back. You can't go back. They're always going to know if somebody will always have seen Celine and somebody will always-- And for whatever reason that really freaked me out. And that took a minute. But what you're talking about is when I was doing enough-- I think I had done like four movies in a row. And I had recorded my second album or something like that. So the J-Lo album, which was really big. Yeah. Huge. And what was like the J-Lo album. And I was working filming every day as you guys know what that is, all the hours. And then I would go into the studio at night. And then on the weekends, I had junkets or video shoots or whatever. And I remember not clocking that I had worked like 98 days in a row without taking a day off. Right. Because we went back and counted it. Because we were like, what happened? And one day I'm sitting on the set of it now. If it's actually kind of thinking about it. And I'm walking to the set every single time. And every time I walk to the set, I start getting like a little pitter-patter in my heart. Like, it's like rising. And I go. And finally, it got to the point. I was like, I really feel nervous. And I had the little girl in enough. And I was like, I'm sorry, sweetie. I feel a little weird today. I said, a little tired or something. And she was like, it's OK. You're going to be all right. You know, she's like, well, like this to my face. But I wasn't all right. And I went back to the trailer. And I sat down and all of a sudden, I just couldn't see. It was almost like I couldn't see clearly. Like, something just went over my eyes. And I couldn't move. And one of my girlfriends, who was my-- for instance, the second grade was my assistant. And she was like-- so she has to know. Like, she doesn't know what she really knows. She was doing too much. But we love dugging it out together and figuring it out and being together. And I said to her, Arlene, I can't move. I can't see. She goes, stop it, Jennifer. You're scary me. And I go, no, I really can't move. I said, no, I can't move. You should get somebody. And she's like, stop. I said, get B-O-B, my security guard. And I was like, I can't move. And I can't see. And I couldn't move. I was just paralyzed. And he picked me up and put me in the car. We went to the hospital. Wow. And it was crazy. And I said to the doctor, I said, am I going crazy? And he said, no. You're not crazy. It's exhaustion. Yeah, he's like, you shut down. I remember-- I remember speaking of monster life. I remember we were shooting a couple days downtown somewhere and the level of attention. I remember you having to drive to set. And they had to put blinders on the thing for you to drive into. And there were photographers on the roofs of the building across the street. Yeah. And then they had the base camp set up in this parking lot downtown. And I remember these dudes randomly putting cameras under the fence and just shooting like this, hoping to get somebody. And I thought, oh my god. Yeah. And by the way, there were a lot of people go like, oh, well, that's the price you pay for fame and all that kind of bush. And you're like, oh, yeah. That's pretty rough, man. Like you don't have a second. Yeah, you-- it can be really tricky. And you learn to kind of like live a certain way. Like, I don't go out all that much, you know. And I know where I can go. Yeah, to this day. And I have my like very small group of friends. And they come over or we do things or we go on trips. But even when we go on trips, it's very curated. And you have to learn because it's just-- it's part of it. Jason calls photographers. He lets them know they have his casual. Yeah, and they have access to his eye, Cal. They never show. And they never show. What about now that sort of surgical masks are so sort of like accepted in public and so commonplace now? Do you ever enjoy that level of, you know, sort of finding anybody-- No, I feel like he will always know what's me. And I feel stupid. Like, if I could have a hat, like, too long ago. I'd say there's a J-Lo. Do you have a hat on you? It's stupid. I put a mask on. They'll even recognize my voice sometimes if I'm just talking in a store. Like, I'll see people creep around the aisle. Like, they heard me talking to someone. I'm like, hi. Did your friends call you J-Lo when you were a kid growing up? No, not at all. Not at all. That was something that I was credit heavy D. I don't know if you guys remember-- Oh, yeah. --the rapper back in the day. Back in the day. Well, all the Sony artists, there was a place called the hit factory here in New York. Yep. And all of us recorded there. A lot of people recorded there. It was a big studio. And we'd always-- people'd always come in and out to other people's studios. And I met Heavy at that time. And he was-- he just always used to call me Jenny Lo. He's like, J-Lo, Jenny Lo. And I was like, I think I'm going to call my next album, J-Lo. I love that. That's so cool. Yeah, and that's kind of how it happened. It was really very simple. It just stuck. When did Jenny from the block come? Well, I was going to get to Jenny from the block, yeah. Well, we said next album. So J-Lo was my second album. The first album was on the face of my third album was, this is me then. And that had Jenny from the block on it. Do you-- you spawned how many people in the world probably refer to their friends, Jennifer, as Jenny from the block? Like, we have a friend. Oh, my god. Right? Yeah, you do come across it. But also they all do their names. Oh, my-- they people call me A-do. Yeah, right, right, right. It's like they put their names together and stuff like that. Jason would be J-Bah. Yeah, you be J-- J-B J-Bah. Yeah, and you're Seah. Some say Ha. Say Ha. Say Ha. Let's see, it just doesn't work. Doesn't work. Doesn't work, doesn't work, doesn't work, doesn't work at all at the time. So, but getting back to the-- when you were first starting, because I think it's fascinating that you went from the timeframe of in living color, which was, you know, its own story, which we could probably talk about forever. But in living color to money train, to Selena, you-- at that time, you really had to prove yourself as an actress. And you probably worked hard to do that, right? What did that period feel like when you look back on it where you're like, wait, how do I transit? How do I get people to take me seriously from dancing on in living color to being actress. Well, it's funny. My very first movie was a movie called My Family Me Familia, which Greg Nob I did. Oh, right. And it had Edward James Olmos in it. That was the very first time I worked with him. And I played the match, the young matriarch in the movie. And right from that moment, I think people seeing that little piece of tape that really helped make the transition. Because it was a great little role. And I had to like cross the river from Mexico into the thing. And I'm like swimming. And I'm like, I'm actiony. And I'm crying with the baby. And I think it was like a great little juicy. It was a sparrow with juicy. And with that piece of tape, people were like, Oh, she can act. She's an actress. And I was. And I had worked on it before I did my first movie. I studied it, acting all through what and living color really bought me out to Los Angeles. And that's when I started like taking classes all the time and reading all the books and doing all the things. I love you. And then you did, God, I remember this movie holds up. I love it so much. You're so great in out of sight. Oh my God. That movie is so good. So, so good. You're so good in that. And it's such a great movie, you know, you really dragged Clooney along, you know, because no, you launched. You launched something there. You made Clooney look good. And I don't care if he hears this. And that's sort of a character. And so do you. Yeah. Yeah. Steven, you really helped those guys. Yeah, I really helped him. No, but talk about that movie if you will, just a little bit because that was like a real, that movie like really went like huge. She knows what she's doing. Yeah. I mean, you already were. But yeah, I was excited. Listen, and I got really lucky in the beginning of my career to work with like some really great directors. Steven Soderbergh, Oliver Stone, Francis Ford Coppola, like I worked with Robin William, like there was, it was a really beautiful, beautiful beginning to an acting career for me, for sure. Yeah. And working on out of sight. It was funny. The thing I remember the most about out of sight was one of the things that Steve's on, because we had like one of the most epic, nice, ever singing musical theater. I think I was singing to him and telling him I was going to be a singer and he was like, you're right. I am. I am. I'm working on my album right now. Like it was so young and kind of like goofy and whatever. And he, but I also remember like the auditioning process for that. And going, I remember the last like I read for Steven. And he was like, I think I like these talking to George. Like I like this girl Jennifer Lopez to play this role. And he was like, okay. And they had me go do like a chemistry read. And I had to drive to George's house. And I remember getting there and there was a pig in the front yard. This is the real Holly wish it. This is weird stuff. And he had his pig. And we were there. And we, you know, we read like on the couch together, um, literal casting couch. And we were just had this chemistry that really worked. And Steven just loved it. And I got the role. And I was so happy because it was a really great role as well. Did you get it there in the room? Yeah, I think. Yeah. By the time I got home, they had called my agent and said that, you know, they wanted me. That's great. How do you with with with so much ability across, um, you know, mediums? How and anything that you basically declare you're going to do, it's going to find financing. And it's going to find an audience. How do you decide what to do? If if anything is a viable direction, like, I mean, you could, you could start a musical tomorrow or you could do another album or you could, you could finance, you could start a movie, you could, you could act in that movie, directed that movie. You could open a producer. You could do it. Yeah, you could start like a cupcake store down the street that would be. I do have, I do have cookie dough that I would take. I'd call J dough. That is the best chocolate cookies in the world. And one day I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to make this, I'm going to share it with the world because you don't sell, you don't sell it yet. No, no, no, no, no. This is, this is, this is, we can announce it today. I would love to talk to you. So how do you decide where to point your, your, your energy and your, um, you know, it's funny. You ask that question because I don't think, I think one of the things about my career and some, you know, there's, in any long career, there's ups and downs, you, you swing for the fences and you, you know, fail. And then there's times when it's just like, you know, it just, you just hit it out of the park. And right now, I think I just didn't ever realize that I had that kind of power. I always felt again, like the scrappy one kind of trying to make it on the side of humility and, and not assuming something to your shore. I, I think that's, that's, that's a healthy place to be. And it did serve me in certain ways. But in other ways, I always felt like whatever I got was good enough instead of going, wait a minute. Is this the right thing to do right now? Or is that the right? I was just kind of like work, work, work, work, work, work, work. I'm working. I'm working. And I think it wasn't just now as I'm, my kids are about to leave to college in about a few months. They're both 18. Don't make me cry. Okay. Wow. I'm with you. Yeah. And they're twins. So they're both leaving at the same time. And she's going to be me by myself. And I'm looking at like what I really want to do. And for the first time in my life, I, I, I really take it more control of exactly what you're saying. Like, what do you really want to do? Like, do you want to direct? Do you want to do musicals? What have you not done that really feels fulfilling to you? Because I actually have realized that I do have that, that I have earned that over these years. And, and I should be very, I want to be very intentional about what I do over these next four or five years. You can take agency over your own life and. Yeah. And also like give myself a pat on the back, which I never do. I never do. And I never do. Yeah. I go, you know what? You, you created this. That little girl would like, I always say this was like holes in her shoes in the Bronx. So, you know, I mean, in my, I wear my sneakers down where this part of my foot was out all the time. That's going to be a mean. If I asked you right now, what do you, what do you really love and value most in your life? I'm sure that you would say your kids. But if I, if I, if I narrowed that to what your, what your career represents for you, what it, it's sort of in a, in a pursuit of like trying to find an answer for what you would want to do next or your next chapter to be, what is it that you enjoy the most that you, that your career has provided you? Is it, is it respect? Is it endless possibility? Yeah. Okay. I think it's the, that, that I have opened up an avenue for myself where there's an endless possibility. And I can really create a new dream right now for myself. Yeah. For sure. And, and, and I just moved into a new house. Like everything in my life has changed over the past couple of years. I moved into a new house. What happened? Okay. Okay. Oh, that's for another time. It's a different podcast. That's a different. All right. Guys, keep rolling, guys, keep rolling. Keep rolling. You come over. We have a glass of wine and you, you come to the new house and it's amazing. And I, like built my little corner of the world dream house. I got my kids some horses. We have, like, I was like, please come home. Please come back home to your horses. There's horses here. Um, and just really thinking about like, with all this change, it's, it's actually been a very emotional time for me. Um, where yes, I'm crying because they're leaving. But I'm also like staring down like, what is my life now? The past 20 years, it's been one thing. The past five years has been a tumult, you know, and then the last two years has been kind of the healing process from that tumult where I really got to know myself. And I, the person I am today is so different than the person I was even two years ago. It's crazy. And now I can really look at my life, appreciate it for what it is and what I've created for myself and be really happy. And both my kids, like, got into all their colleges and they both got scholarships and they're going where they want to go. And it's just, I was like, you did that shit all by yourself. That's great. Like, you have very little help, you know. We'll be right back. And back to the show. I was just going to say, I think it's awesome that you, the way you talk about it and you seem so sort of clearheaded and calm knowing we sort of joke about it about how much people perceive or think that they know about your life and what you've gone through and all that kind of stuff. And that's, you have to kind of put that in a weird place because you, right, that people have this sort of thing that they think. And then you have, but you have to actually go through it. And like you said, when you started, like, you're just a human being and people forget that, you know what I mean? Like they, it's so, it's so crazy to me because we don't really understand other people's experiences unless we walk in their shoes. Right. And there's also, I think, I think, I don't mean catch up with you, but I do think, you know, we're all We're all aware of, and some of us are friends with, some people that have like this enormous level of celebrity and exposure that actually enables the ability for the enables them to stay exactly who that is for kind of as long as they want. In other words, there's this, there's this real permissive culture around celebrity. And you don't kind of have to be the best part of you. And you don't have to grow like, you know, what you just said, right? The last two years has been about the healing and that you're so different now than you were even two years ago, five years ago. Do you recognize that that can be a real accomplishment for somebody in your position? Like I think it's a real great out of boy that you've clearly put in time and work and self-reflection and you could have just kind of just kept eating the junk food of the permissive culture around you and just kind of lean back. It sounds like you're leaning into, who am I going to be for this next chapter, what have I learned, et cetera, et cetera. One hundred percent, I, again, there's been different times where I felt like whether people outside knew it or not, where I feel like my life blew up in my own face. And it was because of the choices I made, but also because of the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself that I didn't understand or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of, you know, experience into my life. And I really needed, I find, honestly, it's that thing where, and you can go either way, you're right, it is a choice. So I want to give myself that credit too, but there comes a point where it's all so puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there. And after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my Torah and I sat there and I was just like, you need to fucking figure yourself out. What is going on with you? Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a certain way. Not that people don't behave in a way that's not great, but what are you doing? What do you have going on? And that was a turning point for me and that was a couple of years ago now. I had the same thing about two, three years ago, maybe I've told you guys this in private before, but I had a moment before I got into real therapy a couple of years ago where one day I was making coffee in the morning and I swear to God and I went, I remember distinctly what was happening. Oh, no. Not the date. Oh, no. Oh, no. And I went, I said out loud to myself, it's you, right? And I had this real, I was like, oh my God, I need to do some work. I go with you. Yeah. But by the way, everybody needs to do that. Yeah. At some point in your life. Yeah. And by the way, everybody goes through this. I mean, it's all sort of relative. I think being human, right? Yeah, actually. We all have things to blow up. We get these parents. And parts about ourselves. And then our journey is kind of the undoing and the healing of those things of the patterns that that created. And so in doing and looking at those patterns, I was able to kind of like go back to that little girl and really look at her and go that little seven year old girl. Like I said, with the rip night gown, like I can see her right now with it. Like my hair was like up to here and it was about the same color. You're already feet walking around barefoot all the fucking time. Yeah. And I was like, you're barefoot now. Yeah. Just like that. Still nothing's changed. It's still a journey from the block. And just kind of like going, you did this. Yeah. You did all this. Yeah. Give yourself a little fucking something, like a little love. Right. Stop looking for love and other things. Yeah. And give it to yourself. Yeah. Give it to yourself. It's so much to love in you. Yeah. And you don't see it because you're in this business and everybody's telling you, you're bad at this and you're bad at that and scrutinizing, criticizing, your personal, your professional life and you're not doing this enough or you didn't choose that right movie or that song didn't do as good as last one and you're like, it plays on you and it plays on those places that were reinforced when you were younger of like, whatever it is, the, the impressions that were made on you because of the way you were loved or cared for in different ways. And it's just, it's also intertwined and I find it very interesting. And I love it because I really do believe people are capable of change because I've experienced it. It is. And a lot of that fuel for change comes from that self-love. But that self-love is, it was often so hard for all of us to kind of recognize and utilize because it's hard to see because we're living with ourselves every day. You know, you kind of get used to some of the things that you really should be taking a second to, to be pleased with about yourself. It's like you can't, you can't see your own hair grow, right? Like, you see, you see, you see, you see your self every day. I understand what it is to love yourself, like to understand to whatever you want and I think having kids for me changed a lot of that because I realize whatever I want to give them, like, why wouldn't I give that to myself? Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't I appreciate those things about why don't I, you know, if you want respect from people, you have to respect yourself. Those are actions, right? Like those are real tangible things and being my sister said to me once Linda, who I think is so smart. And she was like, when are you going to be your own keeper? You keep everybody else. You take care of mom. You take care of me. You take care of the kids. You take care of everybody who works for you. You take care. Why are you going to be your own keeper? And I was just like, yeah, and these are all little pieces, like, I feel like the journey is like pieces, pieces, little puzzle pieces that you fit in, little by little as you, like, sit there with the oat milk and go, it's me. Yeah, yeah. This fucking thing that just happened to me, you know, and you know, you mentioned the kids, I sort of realized also that like that act of the way that we love our kids, for me anyway, my, my experience is that act of being loving to them allows the reason it feels so good is because you're generating that and then you get it back. And it's when you close off and you don't act in a loving way, pushing, I find the more I push out, the more it comes back. And so like with my kids, that, that's why it feels so good because you're creating that as opposed to kind of rolling up the window on it. Do you know what I mean? I don't know. Absolutely. No, I agree. And the kids are a great learner, but relationships are great, you know, kind of learning grounds as well. Sure. You really get to face yourself and you get lucky enough to be with somebody who actually really cares and loves about you in the right way. There's a lot you can learn from each other, even if things don't work out, you know what I mean? But Jason, I'm sorry I cut you off. I was just like, had to get that thought out. No, no. I was kind of done. I was just saying it's, it's, it's done metaphor or analogy, not being able to recognize your own hair growing because we see ourselves in the mirror every single day, but if you don't see somebody for a few weeks ago, oh, your hair has gotten long. Your hair has gotten long. You have a beard. You have a beard. You can't really see the things inside of you that you probably should be, you know. You've got the greatest, you've got the greatest hair of all time. I was trying to back into a common thing. I know. Jason's got the greatest hair. You really do. No, but I mean, Jennifer, you want to know something? He hasn't put a comb or a brush in it since he was 11. That's a big story. Stop. Stop. And he doesn't color it. He doesn't color it. Also true. He's so handsome. Guys. You know, I mentioned it before, Jen, it's like, you know, the, you, I, well, maybe I didn't mention it. I think I mentioned it in the intro where you left home when you were really young and you slept in a dance studio or something as a, as a girl. I have done the craziest things, but don't you look back at that with everything we're talking about now and giving yourself and loving yourself, looking at that and going, well, I was sleeping on the floor of a studio on my own, not even living at home and look what I've done. Like it's kind of, it's just mind blowing. It's crazy because my, my mom and dad, like, I was about to start college or I was, I had just done a semester of college and I was just like, I had a dream that I'm going to be in show business. And they were like, we lived in the Bronx with, you know, when they were like, this crazy bitch. And I was just like, no, dad, and my mom was like, you're not dropping out of college. You are crazy. You know how much we do that so you can go to college and do that. And my dad was like, did you have a dream? Really? I said, yeah, I did. I really did. Anyway, the next few months, she was tumultuous and I wound up leaving the house and I kept, I kept skipping. I stopped going to class at college and I was going to the dance studio and literally taking class all day. I just fell in love with it. I was, yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. I worked in a law office for a few years during high school and I was like, really good with numbers and taxes and things like that. Yeah. I don't know. I was just good at it and they loved me and I, and I just, on this track to be a lawyer and I was going to apply to law school, whatever would I, I don't know. Anyway. I mean, it's wild to know that. Yeah. It didn't happen and I decided to like go sleep on the dance first. I needed somewhere to go. And me and my mom had a big falling out and I called the dance teacher and I said, you know, can I come stay asleep on the couch at the dance studio? And he said, yeah, that's crazy. He liked me, but yeah. Do you still have a talent for numbers and bookkeeping and that type of thing? Like are you involved with your or do you just kind of just let you just know I'm smart about it? And I've always been very attuned with my business managers, like not to let my money get away from me. But you're not like playing the markets and like, you know, looking on the stockpages and, like, yeah. I do some investing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think some people I know, they really like, they handicap companies kind of like horses and they really follow that. Yeah, no, I don't. No, I don't. I don't. But and I left that behind and probably can, you know, do multiplication now. My kid's math is too hard for me when I was trying to help them, but you know, and I just read the other day. This should be good. Thank you for the tree. A page of a book. They don't teach cursive anymore in school. I haven't done for like the last few years. I know. Why is that? Well, I guess because typing is such a big part of it. I know, but like, but at some point anymore, but you've got to sign your name and stuff. I exactly like what is the signature name in kindergarten? I think and that's it. And that's it. We're done. Next chapter. I'm writing self assessment on your handwriting. Oh, because you don't get to practice it, but I know how. Jason Bad show. My brain works faster than my hands, so I can't, you know, right? I also want to have to write a birthday card. I'm like, horrendous. Wait a minute. Yeah. You got to hear the cross. Shut out. It's crazy. Do you do all caps? Do you do all caps? I do like a hybrid. It's terrible. Yeah. Me too. It's a hybrid. What's happening? I'll start every sentence in cursive and then end up going to for legibility alone. I want people to understand what the hell I'm writing. I'm so true. Okay. So this is like, I'm going to just because I we're almost at. I'm a speed round. Speed round. Speed round. So we're going to do like a little tiny something speed round. And if you if you. So we need to get to your section. To your life. To your life. Introduce to the podcast. To your music career, which is just massive. And I've been to I know every other song that you've ever recorded. And I just think it's incredible. I mean, I mean, you know, it's pretty insane. I just had a number one dance record. Oh, really? So go, yes. Yeah. I had a new record out called Save Me Tonight. And I went and I performed it at Coachella. And after that, like went to number one. That's amazing. I mean, it's amazing. It is amazing that you done Coachella before. Never. It was my first time at Coachella. Was it was it a was it a freaky big experience? So was it. It's massive. Yeah. It's big. And it's I'd never been. I didn't know what it was like or whatever. But you have all these people. Yeah. And I and I hadn't done a dance record a long time and David get a had this record and I. I was I was going out on tour last summer to do like a little limited tour overseas. And I was like, I need some new songs like I'm tired of performing the same old songs. So I did like five. By the way, we're not tired of this song. Thank you. I still do them. Yeah. I still do them. I did like five new records three or like four, yeah, four or five new records and I put them in the show just for that. And this one kind of popped off. And so we released it a couple months ago or something. And what about videos or people still make videos, right? They do. They do. But it's not the same. Yeah. I don't really even feel like I need to sometimes. Do you guys do you have to pay for them? I do. I do. Yeah. Like when I started, they'd spend millions of dollars on videos like a million dollars, two million dollars for a big budget videos. You know, Michael Jackson, Jay, I used to do like seven million dollar videos, you know? But now because of streaming and how the record business has changed since I started, it's like a whole different world. You have to shoot them on your iPhone yourself, a hundred thousand bucks. They sometimes they give you 75. It's it's really a different thing. And that's to promote the album that you have a little. You probably threw social media too. Yeah. And it's and it's not even your album. It's it's the labels album and your the way the music industry runs nowadays correct me. Most of the income for the artist comes from touring as opposed to album sales. Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah. Now speaking of touring, you've done, you toured forever. You didn't obviously massive, massive shows your whole life. You know, I love horrible theater stories. You might not know this. But give me give me something that happened on a tour that just went horribly wrong. That's funny. Well, I don't know if you saw this. Oh, yes. I know what you're going to say. I know you're going to say the thing on my net. Did you see it? No, I saw. No, I thought you were going to say when you fell. No, that that happened. But that wasn't on tour. That was on television. Oh, that's right. No. And it ran on CNN for the next three days. That's right. My fucking coccyx was fucking on fire. Right. It was just like, it was awful. But no, I was going to say this summer on tour. I was. I was. I just rode three jokes. Sorry. I'm not doing anything. It's a coccyx on fire. And when you think pills for it, and I'll never mind. Yes. This summer, when I was on tour, I don't remember where I was. It got what, which actual date it was. But I was there and I was, I might have been in Spain because I was singing a Spanish song. And it was like the slow moment in the show, you know, usually I'm dancing around and doing the choreography and like a fucking bikini and a G string and whip in my hair around and it's a good time. And so I'm standing there fully dressed. And I have this thing on. It's like outfit on it. And I'm singing. And it's really quiet. It's just a spotlight on me. And I don't know like all during the show, I was seeing like little bugs and things around. But you know, we're outside. They're attracted to the light. Yeah. And so everything is dark except for me. And I'm singing. And as I'm singing, the audience starts screaming. And usually they do react in this moment because I stop and it's a slow song and they usually clap and whatever before I do the little last line. I do like a dramatic pause. Right. But this time they're like clapping a lot and screaming and I was like, what's happening? And I'm just there and this huge bug is just crawling up my neck and I feel it. And I thought it was hitting me and going away and hitting me and going away. But when you see the thing, it's just, it starts like down here and it just goes, yeah. And it lands up right here. And I just feel it a little bit. But I was, I just stayed really still and I finished the song the last line and then I just go. And I kind of like, and it flies into the light like that. And I saw it. I was like, what the fuck was that? A helicopter. It looked like a helicopter. It was crazy. I love that. But that was crazy. But it was kind of horrible. Like if I would have known it was that, I probably would have screaming and yelling. I know. Okay. Three, three final little things. What's the most Bronx thing about you that's never left a matter of where life is? I can't stop cursing. I try. Okay, great. I love that. I love it. And by the way, I'm telling you know this, Jen already, but I'm saying to Jason and Will, did you guys know that Google images is because of Jennifer Lopez? What do you mean? That Google didn't have Google images until that green Versace dress. And then everybody Googled it. So then Google is like, we don't have anywhere for people to see images, a search engine. A search engine. A search engine. So they invented Google images. Because of Jennifer Lopez. Yeah. It's not wild. And Sergei, Sergei has, you know, that he's been asked that after that. And he's like, yes, that is absolutely true. Jennifer, when she walked the red carpet in that dress, everybody wanted to have a picture of it. And we didn't have any Google search picks, anything. So we invented it. Sue them. Sue them. They're so rich. Sue them. Don't I deserve to see for that? Yeah. Sure. For sure. We got some good lawyers with them. Okay. And then we got to plug this because it's, I can't wait to see it. Office romance comes out June 5th on Netflix. It does. Yes, you, Brett Goldstein. He wrote it with you in mind. Right. Super funny, Brett Goldstein. Yeah. It's funny, but I love his brand, his brand of like writing where it's like really kind of hard jokes, but with this wholesomeness at the end of the day, it's just, it's really, I think you guys will like this one. Okay. Good. I can't wait to see it. It's made for guys and girls, not just the romantic comedy for like girls. Right. And then this is really cool. Edward James, almost who was your dad in Selena is your dad in this movie? He is. He's going to tell you when we, when we filmed with him and he walks in on this like board meeting. It's the first time you see him and when he walks in like all the casts and all the extras that were in the board meeting were like, you know, kind of like he has such a commanding presence. But even more than that, when we screened it for the first time and he walks in and his first line is hot there with that really deep and people just started clapping in the theater. And I think part because he was my dad in Selena, of course, but also because it's just like, it said we're James, almost, you know, and it was great. It was great to get to work with him again. He's amazing. And speaking of musicals, I love Kiss of the Spider Woman. I can't believe it was your first movie musical ever. You need to do more. I know. And second of all, are you, I read somewhere you're going to do bye-bye, but that was a while ago. That was a while ago. Do you remember when they were doing like these musicals on TV? Oh, yeah. That's very underweighed. Are you asking if Sean remembers? Yeah. I did "Hairspray Live" with Ariana Grande. That's right. That's right. When they did those, we were talking about doing bye-bye birdie, but then it kind of went away. - Oh, make it happen again. - I don't know what we'll see. - You'd be great Rosie. You'd be great Rosie. - I would be a great Rosie. - Trust me, I practiced all the songs. - Well, they could change it to everything. Is J-Lo. - Yeah, he could. - Yeah, J-Lo. All right, well, honey, thank you for so much for being here. - You guys are great. Thank you so much. - It was very cool of you to do this, J-Lo. - Thank you so much. - Thank you so much. - I wish you did it that one day, and I walked in to the podcast. I was like, I'm gonna do that one day. - Oh, that's right. That's really fun. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure you're off to go do something. What are you doing in New York? - I was doing the up-fronts. Right now I'm editing. I'm working on an edit for the, I just did a residency in Vegas, and I did a new show, a brand new show, the J-Lo show, which you would love, because what I did was combine my hits with musical theater inspirations of mine. I know it sounds like it wouldn't work, but it worked amazing. - Wait, but it's a residency where you just-- - So we filmed it for Paramount Plus and for CBS, and so we're editing that now. - I can't wait to see that. - Yeah, we filmed it. - Yeah, that's very cool. - Yeah, no, Fizzy has ever, Fizzy has ever-- - Fizzy is doing my thing. - Keep going. - Singing Dancing Show, girl. - It's really so impressive, J-Lo. - Yeah, there he is. - Keep going. - Thank you. - It's amazing. - It's so kind, thank you. - Yes, we'll see you soon. - I'll see you soon. - Bye, bye, bye. - Bye. - Bye, honey. - That's big star. - Sean, that is a-- - That's a real big star. - Massive. - Come on. Tell us the story. - I was reading about her. It's just, you go, oh yeah, oh wait, yeah. Oh wait. - She's not a star, that's a mega star. - That's a mega star. - That documentary is pretty stunning. I mean, it takes you all the way through it. Everything that she's done. Who can do, who does, all of it? - Everything, yeah, yeah. - But it's also so incredibly well earned. It's not, it's not because, you know, there's some sort of celebrity manipulation or something. She's like, she does everything and does it at such a high level and people are, you know, paying for it and they're supporting it and they're coming, like, she's just-- - And she has this sort of, as I was saying, like this sort of, this coolness and this calmness and this, and this, like, knows who she is clearly, right? And it's like so comfortable. And again, I was kind of getting at that thing of like, we all think that we know who people are. I remember watching, remember that Tiger Woods documentary came out a few years ago, and it started, and I remember turning it off because I was thinking, like, I don't think he wants me to know all this stuff. - Oh, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I just turned to Tiger Woods. - He wants you to know all that stuff. - But just anything about people, and any people just talking shit, like, we don't know anything about what Tony was doing. - Oh, I thought he was here for-- - No, no, no, until we hear from them what their experience is, we don't really know. - And she just seems so purposefully aware of her beginnings, of her roots, and is constantly staying in touch with the people that she rounds herself with. And so that's probably what she's seeing on it. - Shiny, I mean, that was a great get. - Oh, great get. - And there's no way you would be lazy to work in the bi-bi-burty thing at the end of your question. - I hadn't even thought about it so much. - Oh, no. - Plus, I think you've used bi-bi-burty before. - Many times, yeah, we'll just wait for something a little bit better. - Yeah, I know that you need a Google search or something. - There's something that needs to come up, you know what I mean, that you-- - Well, the bi-bi-burty thing is real because she was doing it. - No, we know it's real, but maybe if there's something that would set yourself up like that. - No, yeah, you know what I mean? There's gotta be a type of way. - Typing and just trying to think. - Well, you guys know from her album, This Is Me. - Sure. - Yeah, of course, yeah. - Oh, what do you say, Everett? - You mean her 2002 record, This Is Me? - Yeah. - Yeah, this is me then, yeah. And you guys know this is me now? - Yeah, this is me now. Yeah, this is me now. - You have a favorite song for that one? - Yeah, yeah, it's so good. It's called Never, it's called Never Good. - Oh, you sneaky son of a. - My birdie. - Oh. (laughing) - You're so bad. - Smart. (upbeat music) - Smart. Blast. - Smartless is 100% organic and artisanally handcrafted by Rob Armjurff, Bennett Barbaco, and Michael Grandtary. (upbeat music) - Smartless.