Jane Coaston: JD Thinks Trump Voters Are Stupid

(upbeat music) - Did you know there are still barbs? Like there are people being like, "How dare you be mean to Nicki Minaj?" And I'm like, "What, what year is this? "Are we still doing this?" You're like the last Japanese soldier who somebody needs to tell, like, "Uh, I'm so sorry." - Should we just use that as the cold open? Hello and welcome to the bulwark daily. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Sunday night we're gonna kick off election week together. An election week, my guest is looking forward to. More than I am, I think. You can tune in at 8.30 PM Eastern on the bulwark.com or on YouTube. I'm gonna be live with Sam and Lauren and Edgar and Cone. We're gonna review what's coming up in the midterm races. We're gonna take your Q&A. We're gonna maybe have a cocktail. So come, hang out with us for bulwark plus members only. That's on Sunday night at 8.30. And then on Tuesday night at 7, it's for everybody. It's a stream up for the people. It's quick and media also having a stream that we've a lot of streams out there. - Yeah, there are lots of streams. I will be streaming with the great Alex Wagner with John, John, and Tommy, and Dan. But basically the whole crew, everybody's streaming. If there is an election moment that you are like, I wish I could hear eight people talking about this. You've got so many options. - You really do. We're gonna be crossing streams, Ghostbusters style. And so I hope to see you on election night. And today's guests, it's Friday. You just heard from her twice. She's a host of Crew Community is one-a-day podcast. It's Jane Kostin. - Hello. - Welcome, go blue, how you doing? - I'm doing okay. What cocktail will you be drinking on Sunday? - I think I just kind of lied in the intro because widespread panic is in New Orleans on Saturday night. So I think I'm gonna have a big Saturday and I think I'll be hydrating on Sunday. - No, that if we're gonna be honest. - I think that the viewers should have a drink on Sunday. - You gotta rest up, you gotta be. - I'm gonna be hydrating to get ready for the big week. Somebody else who seems like needed to hydrate was the president of the United States because he canceled several of the rallies. He's gonna do this weekend. He was bored with it. He was done. He canceled rallies in Kansas and Iowa. But this morning, right before we got on to tape, he uncanceled. He's back, he's not busy anymore. His schedule, which includes, you know, new hair weaving and some light posting on truth social. - Bill Maher was gonna do something and boy, was Trump gonna tell you about it. - And no issues there. He's back on the campaign trail. What do you make of the will here won't he game that the president's playing? - I mean, once again, the fact that this is about Kansas, which has not elected a Democrat to the Senate since 1932, which is the same year that FDR won his election. Also, a really long time ago. And Iowa. - Bill Crystal's first internship was that year also. - Yeah. What a time, what a time. You know, we just got talkies. He must have been so excited. - He was. - And you were talking about Iowa, you know, obviously like swingy and complicated, but still, Iowa, all of this is not good. Like all of this, like the fact that they're like, oh, you know, we got to shove some more money into South Carolina. We got to, like, we're, you know, we're very worried. We got to put more money into it. Like we're giving up on North Carolina entirely. We got to pulse, you know, it's indicative of things not going like A plus totally awesome. - One of the people that was bad was Joe Mitchell. Initially, when Trump had canceled in Iowa, he's a 29 year old who looks like Ron Desanque-Demonius is not using one skin. And just really his, it's kind of a strange fella. He gave Donald Trump an award, kind of like, you give a kindergartener an award, you know, something like, he took it to Michaels, he printed it out on some, you know, some like thick paper, but put, you know, kind of the type of paper that you can get at your local art supply shop and gave Donald Trump an award that Trump, I assume, proceeded to throw in the trash immediately afterwards, leaked video of him last week, showed him crying over his small penis and talking about how he hates black women. - So it hasn't really been a strong close to the campaign for Joe Mitchell there in Iowa too. But the good news is, his daddy is gonna come, give him his binky for the last two days before the election. - Yeah, and we should mention though, terrible news for Ken Paxton. He is canceling plans for a rally in El Paso on Sunday, which obviously means he's in the mental hospital in Ohio. - Such a, Paxton's canceled. - Teach the controversy. - Let's just talk one more about event choices, 'cause I think this one's interesting. Where is the vice president going? You might ask. He is going to have an event in Rome, New York, New York, 21. That was at least a phonics district. Donald Trump won it by 21 points in 2024. So that's not what you would call a swing district traditionally. It's been made a swing district because the Republican candidate, Anthony Constantino, is a guy that did a rap album with Roger Stone. He was also a bumper sticker dealer, recently lived in Mexico. And this man did a despicable post last night where he just showed the pictures of only the black and brown staffers that worked for his opponent and talked about how they're foreigners in his post on Twitter last night. I can you imagine what we'd be dealing with? I think this will probably be the only show that covers XG Imagine, what we'd be dealing with. If I got a duel post to the tweet of four Jewish staffers working for Mike Rogers. But that's what Constantino did last night. He also hired a private investigator to fly drones over his opponent's barn, accusing him of breaking the law. That feels like that is against the law, but that turned out to be not true. The alleged illegal dumping was not true. Sounds like he paid a random woman $30,000 to file the complaint. Where did he get $30,000? From his bumper sticker empire. He's a bumper sticker magnate. There are magnates of things that I don't know if we needed magnates of. But it's interesting, Tim, you and I, we're very online. It's not good for us, it's a bad time. It is fascinating to see how, you know, and we can talk more about this because it is not for the many things that make me depressed and angry. How right wing media and the right have spent, you know, my entire life being like, no, no, no, like we're not racist. Actually liberals are the real racist or the new racist if you've seen that ad where this lady is like, I can't even be shown because you'd see my white skin. And you see, lips of TikTok, one of our more degenerate members of the human race, posting a picture of four children who received a leadership award in Minnesota. They all happened to be black and brown. And she adds the commentary, what do you notice? And I'm like, what am I supposed to be noticing, Chaya? What am I supposed to be a piece of shit? That's what I notice. Yeah, like, I mean, I've been picking up on that for a really long time, but it is interesting to see how, like, with Constantino, with lips of TikTok, all these people where it's just like, you start at, no, no, no, I'm just pointing out, leftist excesses. And I'm like, I bet this is gonna get racist. I bet this is gonna get racist. Like, it was already basically the implication that gay people shouldn't have jobs or do anything and trans people shouldn't be allowed to live. But I was like, I wonder when this is gonna get racist. And I'm like, yep, this is what I expected. So, yeah, that's where we are now. That's what, that's what's happening. Well, I guess that's what we're gonna say. - That's what we get. - That's what he's calling in JD. We get to his racism in a second actually. This is just to this point. This is just a prime example of exactly what you're talking about. Let me show this a little bit with David French yesterday as well. You know kind of about this trajectory of the right being like, we're not really racist. Like it's the left that's racist. We care about reverse racism. That's, we just care about fairness. You know, when I went on the Charlie Kirk show this week, the balled host of the two hosts was like, I just am happy that my kids are not going to need the discriminated against any more of the DEI's gone who's concerned about anti white discrimination. So yeah this is a Blake who worked for Tucker Carlson who didn't doesn't believe that white nationalism is a thing but also that white nationalism sounds pretty cool. So yeah, that all checks out. So that was kind of like the baseline for where things were at if you go back to Trump 1.0 that was kind of a game those being played and they have kind of as they say had a full mask off moment on this if you If you remember the controversy from 2018 where there was a report that said that Trump was talking about, you know, how we need to stop having people from shithole countries come in the country. I remember that. Yeah. Okay. Do you remember this? He did a little, one of his gaggles where he said explicitly, "I am not a racist," and he said that it was fake news, the shithole countries remark. So that was Trump in 2018. I am not a racist, it would be racist to say that black people come from shit all countries. Since I'm not a racist, I didn't say that. Here's him yesterday at a rally, and I'm just going to read it. You know what I hate about Elon Omar? She comes from this horrible, horrible place. It's a shit house country. Remember when the Democrats were gonna have a meeting on immigration, I said, how come we always take people from shit house countries? Why can't we take people from good countries? So, yeah. No longer is the line. I'm not a racist, I didn't say that. Now the line is, I'm on the stage and I'm saying it. But I guess I'm saying shit house, a shit hole, I've updated it. - Yeah, we also have seen with people running in Texas and elsewhere that, 'cause you think also, you think, or one might think if one were gullible, that, the racism against African Americans among people on the right. It's like, oh, no, no, it has to do with achievement and merit and IQ test or something like that. But then they're like, oh, but we also hate Indian Americans and Asian Americans because they're too good at things because you get Goldilocks racism where it's like, well, these people are obviously inferior. But these people are so good at things. If only there were a group of people just right in the middle. Who were always just pretty okay. Like people arguing basically like meritocracy is when I do well. It's not when anybody else does well. Anyway, they were lying the whole time. Many people have said, and here we are now. Literally this month, I mean, we've done both RFKs in Michigan and I grew up as a student. The Arabs have never won the Wolf Prize. No, Arab has ever wrote a book. And then it's like fantasy. It's like, well, too many Indians are at the University of Texas, one of our lead institutions. Yeah. And they're watching football. But you know, I really enjoyed Christopher Rufo who needs to buy into this for audience capture reasons. Going on a podcast where someone argued that the way that you would know that Indian Americans had assimilated is if you looked at a group of people and you wouldn't be able to tell who was Indian American. And I'm like, you have aphasia. Yeah. If you're John Hickenlooper, you can be racist. What is the thing? What is the thing that John Hickenlooper has? We can't recognize people's faces. Is it called aphasia? What's that called? Faceblindness? What's the word for faceblindness? Yeah. Which by the way, real thing, fascinating. But yeah, it's it's been a fun thing to see how the right and one of the many, many, many reasons. It's not so. Pagnosia is faceblindness. Prasoparagnosia, aphasia and aphasia ability to understand spoken or written language. Fascinating. So there you go. But yeah, it's interesting to see how, you know, there was a lot of criticism of people in the left for being like, oh, you're online too much. And then you just start, you know, you're in an echo chamber, blah, blah, blah. And then it's like, well, all of these people are now in an echo chamber where they've convinced themselves that everyone hates Indian-American people and that racism is cool and awesome. And that some, you know, you don't know what time it is. And the day of the rope is coming. And then all of the people saying this, like, I have never, I don't even know what, you know, actual life they have. And one of the many, many, many reasons I urge people to vote for Democrats wherever they are. And not just- - That Arabs, blood, brain, barrier does not allow them to have a complex thought like I do. - Yes. You know, the very complex thoughts of RFK Jr. ambulance tracing trial attorney is that you can vote both for Democrats who want to do good things and also against all of this shit. It's a nice two-fer, I think so. But speaking of people who are not a nice two-fer, let's talk about JD Vance. - I like that you're the host of a podcast now. So you just think that you're just, you just take over. It's unintentional. I'll just start hosting. Like there are moments like even in like general conversation, I'll be like somebody needs to like move this along. - I did this last night on a phone call. I forget who I was talking to. I was talking to somebody on the phone and I was like, all right, it's been great. - Thank you so much. - It's great to see you. - To Jane coast and we'll be back tomorrow. 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The equivalent to play is a story I think that is JD Vance creating a fake incident in which he looks like a douche bag because he thinks that what voters want is maximum douche baggery in their vice president. This is a real theme with JD. He assumes his audience wants douche bags and is also too stupid to pronounce words like Jordan or Kuwait. Let's listen to JD with Jesse Warners last night. One of our kids had a problem. We took him to the emergency room. It was like totally fine. It was young parents being panakies. Young parents sometimes are and I'm sitting there in the emergency room and there are like nine different translators for nine different languages. Well, I'm worried about a medical problem that my son has and I'm just thinking of myself. How about if everybody spoke English and we could hire more doctors and less translators in our country. Let's fucking piece of shit. Also, I'm like holy shit. What an awesome hospital that has that available to help people like wow, this hospital fucking rules because one your kid is fine. Apparently you were just panicky. But at no point in this story that sounds largely made up, was there anything about like a lack of medical care, anything about someone not being seen, anything about like an actual problem. This is like going to the grocery store and being like there are too many options. I don't like this. Now there are people who are like that but these are also the same people who complained about how they're at Costco. I haven't a great time because you're at Costco. But there are non-white people at Costco and they seem to also be buying things and that's a big problem. Like I don't think JD Vance knows what problems are and so now he's inventing them but this is not a problem. I'm sorry to obsess over this but I need to unpack it even a little bit more. The story that he tells is that he has a child that is sick but not sick actually. He's a child that's fine. But JD Vance, the dad, is kind of like wetting his knickers over a sniffle or some issue that the child has. And he's like in a moment of panic, he's like you know what I should do. I should take my child to the emergency room. Also that both he and his wife agreed to do this because that's how in general that's how this works is that clearly two people thought that this was a big enough deal to just go to the ER. Which I'd be like okay, okay. All right, I could see that. All right. You're kind of king. Sure. You're your knickers little wet. You're like hey, we're going to take our kid to the emergency room. We get there. We get to the emergency room. The doctor that I presume you see looks at JD Vance and his wife and the child and it's like it's all good. And so you think that in that moment it would be this kind of wave of relief that would go for you as a parent and maybe a little bit of embarrassment. You know, you'd have this relief that your child is good and then maybe be a little embarrassed that you wasted the time of this doctor who could be seeing patients that have actual issues. Not JD Vance. So relief does not come over him. Happiness of this child as well doesn't come over him. The embarrassment of like being such an idiot that he brought his kid to the ER for no reason doesn't come over him. What comes over him is resentment. It's always resentment because he looks around and he's like there's some people speaking not speaking English in here. If they were more English speakers then we could have fewer translators. Then I could have got better medical care for my kid that would Wasn't sick? - Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't track. It does not track at all. Let's throw this out a little more because part of this is that there are, according to JD Vance and his ilk, there are too many foreign doctors, which apparently is a problem because you need a doctor. I can't even begin to explain this. So part of this is that if everyone had to speak English, his childhood defined would be finer, but also that the hospital should spend less on translators and more on doctors to tell JD Vance that his child was fine, who was fine, but also those doctors need to be presumably heritage American doctors because reasons. And again, all of this is happening while his child is fine. - It's fine. - So at no point did anything actually bad happen to JD Vance, but much like you said, JD Vance, who wrote an entire book complaining about the culture of resentment that existed in the area where he did not grow up, but where he spent summers. I want to be very clear about this because people keep messing this up. He didn't grow up there. He grew up in Middletown, Ohio, a place full of normal boring people. He spent summers with relatives in Appalachia. He wrote a whole book about how people there had given into resentment. They wouldn't get up to go to work and they would just complain about how Obama did this to them and all these people did this to them. And then he said, "I want to run for office." So fuck all that. And now this is just what he does. He does performative resentment. He does performative stupidity where he pretends like, I don't even know how to pronounce these Middle Eastern countries, motherfucker, you went to Yale. If you don't know how to pronounce the word Kuwait, that is any staggering indictment of the educational institutions he attended. That line got under your skin the way that this story gets under my skin because I have another thing about it too. The fucking translators at the hospitals, it's a noble profession. My very close friend is a hospital translator. It is a hard job, but it's a good job. It's useful. You want people to get good care. You want people in this country to get good medical care. Well, there is nothing wrong with this job. The idea that this is something to be upset about or that the translator is creating worse care for the heritage Americans. It's just not true. The translator is making the process easier for everybody. Yeah, what a glorious patient get good care so we can resolve the issue. What a glorious commentary on our great country that you can come to this country, or perhaps have a relative who is visiting you. Your long-lost Nana is visiting you from the other country. And she feels a heart murmur or she's not feeling well and she's really scared. But she only speaks Italian because she's come from the old country. In my head, this is like a Sophia Petrillo situation. Yeah, sure, yeah. Sophia Petrillo is coming to visit. And she doesn't speak very good English and she's very worried. But thank God the hospital has an Italian translator to talk to Sophia Petrillo about, you know, the old country back in Sicily. And so you, Dorothy's Boranac, everything's going to be fine before your mother- It's a very country of bounty that that can happen. Like you live in a land of unbelievable bounty. It's something that a family member who speaks a different language could have medical emergency and be treated in their native tongue. Yeah, I'm sure people in this audience may have had to go to a hospital in another country where nobody speaks English. And it is bad. It's a bad time. Nobody enjoys it. He did write a story. He did write a book also recently about how he became Catholic, you know. Healing the sick, you sort of glossed over that part of the New Testament. Look, many people have performed to becoming Catholic for, you know, for many reasons. Someone had once performed to becoming Catholic because he wanted to have control of Paris. So, you know, it's been done before. We have three more JD Vance clips. Yeah, let's do what else to be done for Paris. I just was getting warmed up. Oh, boy, all right. There's a girl who's concerned about housing costs, a young woman. And JD's response to her is kind of interesting. Let's watch that. So, my question is, how does the right and your self expect us to start families young when, you know, the average price of a home in America now costs more than $415,000, which just feels out of reach for us? Sure. Sure. Well, first of all, again, thank you for the question. And thanks for the support. I want to point out that I think that I've been asked for or maybe five questions by my count. I've only been asked one question about John Houston's ass and it was by Jesse. OK, Jesse. That's what people are talking about. Maybe you should run for Senate on the Democratic side here in Texas, Jesse. I'd probably win. So, young woman is concerned that she can't afford a home and start a family. The Vice President's reply is, why aren't you asking me about how caked up John Houston is? Maybe you notice James Tallerick goes gay. Because that's what, that's where they're going there. I also love that he did, Tim, you and I both watch a lot of sports. We do. So, one of my favorite things is when an athlete gets a lot of media training. Yeah. And so, they start doing things like using the interviewer's name in response to the question. But also saying things like, thank you so much for the question. And like, I'm like, OK, so you're stalling. You're stalling really, really hard. Because first, we're going to do some light jokie homophobia about someone who is not gay. But also, you've decided as gay because that's like the worst thing you can be. Obviously. Clearly. Because he goes on. 17-year-old. This is like that's gay. Yeah. James Tallerick, OK. Yeah. Obviously. Because he goes on in that answer to basically be like, yeah, life is hard, but you know, get to it. Yeah. You fall in love and you get pregnant and then everything just seems to work out because that's what, you know, that's how life works, you know, that's how we should not think of having children as like a big decision you make after you've, you know, got you do the success sequence. Well, fuck the success sequence. Nope. Nope. You just got to get pregnant and then figure it out because everybody loves figuring it out with a baby in tow because, you know, having someone whose entire life depends on you is a great time to figure things out, which is what? Obviously, both JD Vance and Jesse Waters would know, like how Jesse Waters knows a lot about the institution of marriage. Hmm. Have you watched the entire town hall? It's OK. Just to come clean. Have you just seen the clips, the provided clips? I have just seen the clips because JD Vance makes me want to commit crimes that the likes of which I shouldn't discuss on a podcast. Yeah. Same. We had to bleep me on a live show last week. I want to then play a game with you, because that answer does go on. Yeah. Jerry Stahls, and talks about John Houston, and, you know, makes the 73rd James Tarriko as gay joke of the campaign. He then tries to address the young lady's question on policy grounds and says what he thinks could be done to make housing more affordable for her. Do you want to have a guess what the policy proposal he offers is? I'm going to go with mass deportations. Bang! You don't need to watch it. You don't need to watch JD, you know the bit. Mass deportation. If we deport 20 million more people, there'll be more housing for you. That's where JD is. It's like eight, nineteen eighties televangelis. Like if I send oral Roberts just a little bit more money, then I'm sure good things will happen. Or else somebody's, you know, God's going to take oral Roberts home and JD Vance won't let me have a home. Yeah. What a time. Have we had enough JD or do a joke here as a joke? He didn't do a joke. No, I don't want to hear his joke. Okay. He does, again, the entire JD Vance thing is so performative. He thinks everyone he is talking to is very, very, very stupid and it is very clear. So any effort he would have at having, at telling a joke would just be through the lens of you are all very dumb. And Jesse Waters will laugh at anything I say. Yeah. That was, he's asked about whether we learned about aliens and you'll be surprised to find out that the punch line of the joke was that James Telleriko is a gay alien. So there you go. There's one other item and I'm not going to play it because the extent of the propaganda is enough that I just, it's a Friday and I don't want to stroke you out. But the issue of trans does come up. And a woman who's totally not a plant, by the way, just a regular woman who has genuine concerns about what's happening in her community, not an activist at all. She goes to the Fox News Town Hall and she has a note card that she reads very slowly and it begins like this. A few weeks ago, my daughter received a letter addressed to her, not me explaining how to transition from female to male without her parents ever knowing. Then she goes on to list a lot of legislation that has been passed all over the country with the bill numbers and you know, all this stuff that was definitely not provided to her by anti trans activists. So she asked JD about this and JD looks concerned, nodding, he's like, oh, this is very concerning. And this is just a trans panic propaganda or a boroughs where they like create a fake letter and they send it to a house. And then they create then the activist receives the letter. And then the activist goes on TV and asks the JD about the letter that the allies had sent like it's, it's all fake. Yeah, it's all in like quite literally fake. this, all of this came from Republican groups that sent them to conservative activists who then posted about how terrible it is that they received the letter that was created by Republican groups. And we now know like they were Republican groups because it's just like it's the stupidest fucking snake eating its tail. How would that even work? You know, it's like, I saw funny jokes what somebody was saying is like, the trans situation is even worse than you think guys. I heard of a story where a young boy went to school named Aiden and came home as Shanico. How is this girl going to transition to mail without her parents know? It's not like you can't do it in an hour. I also again think that, I mean, this is a larger statement about many things, but it is interesting to me the idea that we've both experiences, the idea that like heterosexuality and being cisgender are just like rock ribbed aspects of who you are in like unchanging, but also if you give a teacher like 45 minutes, you will get a gay queer kid. You know, like it's easy peasy, you know, just like two episodes of Bluey where it doesn't seem like Bluey's dad is mask enough and done easy peasy. And it's just like, mm-hmm, sure, normal. Great. Love that for us. I wanted to do some other midterm stuff. There's nothing I want to talk about less at this point in the Michigan Senate race. So we're going to try to make this as quick as possible. I talked to that for a long time on yesterday's show and I kind of went off on Haley Stevens for like the degree to which her and her fiance, I've decided to make themselves the main character of the last five days of Michigan. Why would you do like also like why would you do like for what to do what what are we being what are we furthering here? I think they're I think they see raising the salience of concerns about Abdul Al Sayyad's anti-Semitism or slash the aid and comfort he's giving to other anti-Semites around, which like, okay, like, you know, obviously anti-Semitism something I'm concerned about, but it's on the rise and Michigan, this is an acute issue in particular. But also like he's running against the most overt rule, just big it and that's been running for a race, I guess, in Trump's Muslim ban. And then before that, probably 1960. But anyway, Haley, we thought we got some good news about this last night where Haley's just like, you know, okay, we've had our disagreements, but now on the Sunday before the Tuesday, I will hold an event with Abdul together. We can have the picture taken and everybody can move forward. And then this morning, after that announcement, she put out like a 13,000 word statement to give her take and count, talking about Hassan Piker's uncle, put out a video that Abdul has did not appropriately condemn, even though they did put out a statement against it. Sarah, I mean, I, it's a dumb video. I said it was stupid also on social media and, and, you know, traffic to an anti-Semitic tropes, but like, why, like why, like why this long press statement? Like what? I thought you were endorsing it. It's a strange thing to do. Like, generally speaking, if you would endorse somebody, like the idea of, like, there's been a lot of discourse about the list, Cheney endorsement of Kamala Harris. Like, Liz Cheney did not get on stage and say, you know, Kamala Harris, really weak on foreign policy. That might help to actually, it wasn't like she was like, abortion, baby killer. You know, it was like, I endorse Kamala Harris. Also a baby killer, though, you know, that wasn't, that wasn't kind of what happened. It's like you endorse and you say, you're, you're the reasons why. Right. And this is sort of like an interesting new thing that Hayley Stevens is doing, where you endorse and then list all the reasons why not. Right. There are many people making endorsements in these midterms, both sides of the aisle, where you can tell they're not very excited about them. Like, there are a host of Republicans who Trump now hates for various reasons, who are endorsing other Republicans, but are doing so with the enthusiasm with which one eats instant oatmeal, which is fine. It's like, you got to feed yourself sometimes. You got to do it. You got to do it. Sometimes it's what's there. And, you know, you're a Republican, you vote for Republicans. It's like my vote for my votes for Gavin in California. You know, it's kind of like, great. Certainly he's better than the racist radio host that the Republicans put up. Yeah. That's fine. That's a fine thing to do. Yeah. It all happens. But like, I don't, you know, as someone who is supportive of Democrats, and particularly the Democrat in this particular race, we had Abdul on the show this past week. It was great conversation. We talked more about Michigan electricity costs than I think anyone listening had been prepared to hear about, but it's what matters to Michigan voters. Who, by the way, let's talk about how this is actually about the state of Michigan, what matters to Michigan voters, not about like, Haley Stevens and things that, you know, all of this seems kind of like adjacent to concerns of like everyday Michigan voters, which, you know, everyday Michigan voters are concerned with lots of things among them, anti-Semitism among them islamophobia, which we had Bernie Marino saying that no one who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ as savior should be in the Senate, which is a funny thing to say. One, that eliminates basically all non-Christians and also kind of jahofas witnesses and Mormons, depending on how you read it. But also, I'm like, aren't you like stumping for Vivek Ramaswamy? Because apparently this is a real like rules for the, but not for me, kind of situation. But like, it is all of this is just like that, like, Haley, we get it. Not now. Why? Not now. We get it. That's what's made. Yeah. And by the way, after the election, if it is true that Abdul is going to continue to traffic and in anti-Semitic stuff, like they claim, then we'll call it out. You know what I mean? Like, there's another, there's plenty of time for that. So, anyway, I did tend to, I'm moving on. I can't do anymore. Do you have any polling early vote hot takes? I mean, friends don't let friends over do the early vote, but I'm, I found myself reading a lengthy memo about the Florida early vote by Steve Shaley yesterday and catch it and getting kind of like, wow, thanks for looking better for Democrats in Florida than I thought. And then it's like Tim, Tim, back away from the memo. I got into real sicko shit, which was looking at Tuesday's weather in Texas. Apparently, there are like massive storm systems coming through like Eastern Texas, which, you know, if Republicans are voting day of in Houston and Dallas, could be an issue, which one probably won't be an issue, too. Jane, come on. Like, what are we doing here? I, I, basically, the one, would you just go, I'm going to be in Austin for Tel Rico. Am I going to be okay or is, I think you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine. Just, you know, eat some barbecue. It's going to be fine. The only thing I am looking at because, like, you see bullshit coming out of Texas and just remember, like, it doesn't show up, like, how people have registered. A lot of people are voting. People are voting at rates that are incredibly high, like, presidential race, African-Americans are voting a fuck ton, especially in places where it was a clear effort by the GOP to discourage African-Americans from voting. It's funny how that works. I think that is good. Lots of people are voting. If you have not yet voted and you can, you should go vote. And if you can vote on Tuesday, please go do so. It's important also, like, down ballot races, down ballot, you know, proposals, like, you know, I live in California. There are lots of down ballot proposals. I had, I spent a lot of time going through my ballot. I voted on Monday, went through everything, learned a bunch about a bunch of different issues. You should do the same. It's great. Early vote, all I'm seeing is like, wow, lots of people are voting and that's good. I, I remember, I agree with my former colleague Ezra Klein that 2014 was somehow the most important election that nobody cared about. And 2014 was a very low turnout election. And that resulted in a lot of terrible shit that is kind of sort of how we got Trump. So high turnout, that's great. There's a Washington Post poll this morning. Kansas. Oh. Adam Hamilton 52, Roger Marshall 43. So why not? Why not? I'm not going to incelter this one. I'm not going to do it. I'm just saying we're throwing it on the pile. That's a data point for people. We talked about there's a difference. Kansas polls showed them up four years today. I wanted to bring it up for this reason. The Washington Post along with the poll basically is like we don't know what to do. After more than 85,000 phone calls, 50,000 texts, Democrats were so much more enthusiastic about taking the poll to the Republicans, you know, that they don't like feel fully competent than the results. Once the survey started, 32% of Democrats finished it versus 12% of Republicans. There are huge parts of the state where like basically people were just like, no, thank you. No, no soliciting. And so they end up having to wait it. And they're like, there were so few Republicans that answered and so few independence who were voting for the Republican that answered that it was like unwaitable basically to get it to like what they wanted to do. And so, you know, like there are two ways to look at that, which is one maybe we have another polling there and there's just, you know, kind of we have, maybe AI will figure this out in the future, but advanced math can't deal with the non-response bias of the mega-mind. Or another way to look at it is like, man, if folks have that unwilling to answer polls, you look at all of these sort of other factors, JD going to New York 21. Maybe that's a sign that it's like a tsunami. Where do you fall on that? I think, because obviously there's the phenomenon of the shy Trump voter, which is a funny thing to keep thinking about, because I feel like we hear more from Trump voters and people who support Trump than we hear from anyone else ever in life. But I understand that in presidential races that has existed in 2016, 2020, and 2024. Are there like shy Roger Marshall voters? Are there like shy like actually I am a patriot and I love tariffs voters? I talked to Adam Hamilton yesterday, and he's talking about rural hospital closures. There are 28 rural hospitals in Kansas that are at risk of immediate closure for various issues, including the fact that Kansas won't expand Medicaid. That's the most in the country. He's talking about a lot of different issues, and Roger Marshall appears to be going with drag queen story hour. And complaining that Adam Hamilton is woke. Ted Cruz was in Kansas, I saw a presser he gave, where he was basically, you didn't even defend Roger Marshall. He's basically like, if you vote for Adam Hamilton, who you think is your normal guy here, you're going to get the Islamists. That's where Ted Cruz was this morning. You know, it's a pitch. It is a pitch. I'm seeing why Ted Cruz shouldn't be allowed to go to sporting events saying this. Sure. Okay, sure. Right. So you're you're bullish. You're not jinxing. You don't want anybody to, you know, get an optimistic. I am anxiously optimistic. That's what I'm going with. Like I am looking at the numbers. I'm looking at I'm trying not to rely on panic data. Like, you know, I got people, you know, friends and family telling me about how like, wow, everybody seems really pumped to vote in Ohio, which is where I'm from, or people are excited in Michigan. And like, I'm like, great excitement pumped. I'm not doing a like, you know, a Peggy Nune in 2012. I don't even see any Obama signs thing. Like I'm not doing that. We're not doing that. That's where I am. I am also lightly entertained because if there's anything to be entertained by, it is watching Republicans fucking panic because they said, yeah, we'll just run Darlene Graham. Who's Darlene Graham? She's Lindsey Graham sister. She's somebody. Does she know anything about anything? No, but we're just going to run her. We'll just see what happens. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure it's fine. And now you're like, oh, fuck, we got a poor money into South Carolina and Mississippi. Tim, they're poor. The Republicans are like lightly worried about Louisiana. I know they move from safe or to likely are in the cook, cook rating this week. So all right. Well, I'm just going to keep looking at, you know, DuVal, man, St. Shells. I'm just going to keep, keep refreshing the St. Shell account and just, you know, digging into what the DuVal County 2022 versus 2026 voter registration and active versus active vote percentages are because what else am I supposed to do this weekend? Hang out as my child. Right. Nicki Minaj. Maybe the next White House Secretary. This is a section of the podcast that I call Jane, Jane stuff. I saw you weighing in on this. She's been floated. As you mentioned at the top, you know, she's got a lot of fans out there, a lot of barbs. Maybe this is a way for the Republicans to diversify. Maybe Nicki's getting serious. Maybe she's boned up on the issues. What do you think's happening here? Nicki Minaj wants two things, actually two pardons. Because some may have seen that Nicki Minaj went off on Kathy Hocal on the internet. Kathy Hocal, quote, is an evil woman. The Democratic Party should forfeit her seat because even if she wins, she will be of great consequence to them, which doesn't sound bad. Anyway, downward spiral for her, not a channel reference. She will not escape God's wrath. She did not denounce evil when she had the chance. You may be wondering, because you're a normal person. What the fuck is Nicki Minaj talking about? Now, Nicki Minaj has two problems. Okay, she's got a lot of other problems, but she has two specific problems. Okay. Nicki Minaj's older brother was convicted of sexually abusing an 11-year-old girl in New York State. He is serving 25 to life. He committed this offense in Long Island. The law and order seems like law and order is working well. I thought the Democrats didn't do law and order. They let everybody out. Big ups to the justice system. I briefly went through some articles on the subject. It's terrible and horrible. Her brother blamed gout and his issues with alcohol on why he sexually abused an 11-year-old girl in front of other people multiple times. So, the only thing that can be done to make Nicki Minaj's older brother's life a little easier is that the city near governor could shorten his sentence. Now, he's serving 25 to life. He was sentenced in 2017. He could receive clemency if he serves half of his sentence, about 12 and a half years. Now, 2017, at 12 and a half, that gets you to roughly like 2029. Yeah, the end of the next this governor's term. Yeah. So, Nicki Minaj wants a pardon for her older brother. So now she's suddenly super mad at Kathy Hocal and very supportive of her Republican challenger. Now, Nicki Minaj has another problem. Her husband. Who? Also criminal. You will not believe this. One, involved in a murder. That's a side thing. That's not even what we're talking about. Also a sex offender. He moved to the state of California and did not register as a sex offender when he moved to California. Now, that is a federal offense. The sex offence. I know. We're law and ordering really hard. The sex offence took place in 1994. And he did not register. And given that, it's a federal offense. Who can pardon a federal offense, Tim? Pretty sure the president. Hmm. So, what would one do if one really needed a pardon from the most transactional president to exist in the 21st, 20th century because I don't know. People are getting real crazy in the 19th century. People were just handing over stuff. Who knows? One might talk about how Trump is so great and attractive and awesome and cool and go to rallies and be amazing and talk about how the Dems want to change the sexes of our kids. Because, you know, who should be talking about sex and children, Nicki Minaj? That's, that's what we're all over. This, all of this, it actually makes me feel like better. Because I'm sure that someone from, like, unheard or compact or something was going to write some big, like, Nicki Minaj is a son of how the, the left abandoned black Americans, which technically, technically she's a permanent resident and can't vote. As far as I can tell, based on all the evidence. It's illegal, actually. I think she's a bad girl. I've heard that. I will have heard that it is based on all the evidence. So I'm sure someone was thinking that and I'm just, like, I just want to get out ahead of that. Okay. Got it. Part of this is about parts. That's what I mean. It's actually like, once you understand that it all makes perfect sense. It's one of the, like, there are some people who have, you know, decided that they support Trump for reasons that I genuinely don't understand. But this, I'm like, oh, you have a sexual predator brother and a sexual predator husband. And you need two different things in order to get them out of their sexual predation pit that they have gotten themselves into because they're sexual predators. And it just so happens, one of those things requires a Republican governor who, now, why would a Republican governor help someone who sexually abused an 11-year-old girl? That's, that's, that's a, that's a question that I think Nicki needs to be thinking about more. Question for Ken Paxson, maybe. Speaking of sexual predation, there's another topic, but you were on, I think, two times ago. And we really dug, dug into, which is another piece of video we're trying to analyze. It's, it's a video that I've watched probably way more times than this most recent JD Vance video about the hospital, but they're going to be competitive. And I just, I want to do like a, you can see everything that interview with JD, Mr. Vice President office. If you want to do this, I pledge to you. I will only ask you about the trip to the hospital. Like, I want to do 30 minutes. You want to do like the full stare? Yeah, I want to do 30 minutes where we just do the hospital and that's all just kind of like how he, how Nathan, you know, just asked Elizabeth Holmes about, you know, kind of the one claim and the New York Times article. I just want to take one story and just do an hour on it. And we basically did that about the Melania press conference when you were on it. I still think about it, by the way. And April, as the press conference, no one asked about and no one asked for that no point. She can't, like never forget that she just came out and it was like, Hey, remember how no one asked any questions about my relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Well, I'm going to talk about it. And I'm going to talk about it in a way that answers no questions, but raises thousands. So for people who don't remember, let's watch how she started that press conference. Good afternoon. The lies linking me with the disgraceful Jeffrey Epstein need to end to day. Hmm. I have some unfortunate news. The reports linking her to Jeffrey Epstein did not end in April and she made that statement. The first lady is not of the power to end all discussion of her by decree from the White House. But her hats, Tim. Those hats are real. Yeah. The Democratic House Judiciary Committee put out a report looking at some of the Epstein documents that we've seen, some of the redacted documents that they've only seen. And one of the things that they brought up, as I mentioned earlier this week, was that the information strongly suggests that Epstein did introduce Trump to his wife, Melania. I'm going to read liberally from the report. I'm Sam Poley. The guy we discussed this in the last show is the Italian agent model, alleged, also sexual assaulter who's now very close to the Trump, yeah, Juno also used Trump to get his ex-wife deported. Yeah. The guy that used Trump to get his ex-wife deported that guy. Yeah. Okay. So we start with him. Sam Poley has long claimed credit for hiring a young Slovenian model named Melania Naus and sponsoring her immigration to the United States, arranging for her to receive an H1B visa and setting her up in a New York apartment in 1996. Lucky that was 1996, which 2026, I think that she would be on in shackles and on a playing home. Then it goes on. Both Trump and Naus attended a party, Sam Poley hosted in 1998. This has become the basis for Sam Poley saying he introduced Donald Trump and Melania Trump. Right. An assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, who also was a, I think the best you could say is was trafficked allegedly to Sam Poley. She contradicted Sam Poley's claim that he was responsible. Her statement states unequivocally. Epstein introduced Melania Trump to Donald Trump. Melania, of course, like Epstein assistant one, also lived in Sam Poley arranged house on Varick Street when she first came to the United States in the late 1990s. Sam Poley's former partner of 19 years, Amanda Ungro, the aforementioned woman that Sam Poley has since gotten deported, likewise challenged the account. Ungro's asserted Sam Poley was never the one introducing Melania to Trump. It was Jeffrey Epstein. That's how she met Donald Trump. In other words, two women who had a sexual relationship with Sam Poley around the time of the introduction both claimed definitively that Epstein introduced Melania to Trump. She or more from Melania on that. My email replied to Maxwell cannot be categorized as anything more than casual correspondents. My polite reply to her email doesn't amount to anything more than a tribal note. I am not Epstein's victim. Epstein did not introduce me to Donald Trump. I met my husband by chance at the New York City Party in 1998. This initial encounter with my husband is documented in a detail in my book Melania. Which we did not read. We didn't read it. So it seems like we have a she said she said. And on the Melania side of the she said we have in broken English a claim that this is a tribal accusation and that it's not true and then we have two other victims who are saying no. Actually, baby, it was Epstein that did the introduction. I don't know if you've any additional thoughts since we last connected on this matter. It's such an interesting. I still think this press conference goes on the long list of press conferences that should not have taken place because at no point, like, would we be having this conversation? Had this press conference not happened? Maybe. Probably not. We wouldn't have this footage. But it's all real weird. The report, I think shines a little bit of a different light on the press conference. Right. No. In the press discussion, the press conference, a lot of the discussion centered on why would she do this, is there something else that is going to come to the fore that would have prompted this? And it's interesting also because she was getting out ahead of something that then happened many months later. But it also, like, at a baseline level, there is a way to say, Jeffrey Epstein, I did not know the things he was doing. He happened to introduce me to Donald Trump. We fell in love as one does romantically with Donald Trump thing that apparently happened. And it's awful what he did. I fell in love romantically with Donald Trump's money. Yes. Of course. So then that happened. In a normal, totally normal, upstanding way. I am so sorry for his many victims. Here is what I'm going to do to try and benefit them. I have dedicated my life to standing up for victims of abuse through my be best blah, blah, blah, blah. But that's one way to do this. Or the other way is to know that there's no one who could possibly say otherwise and then to do that press conference. But if you are aware that there are people who can credibly say that what you are saying is not true, you probably just shouldn't do this press conference. I guess I'll just say it. It seems like Epstein introduced her to Trump. It appears to be it seems like what happened. It appears to be what the deal is. Okay. All right. And I don't think that's like that tribal of a matter. All right. We're going to close here. Yeah. Two Jane Pope re-items really fast. One. This guy was going viral. I don't know. But it's so joyful that I don't want to deny people this video before the weekend. Let's watch. We got Tom right here to kind of answer a few questions. Tom, why are you here this morning? Well, in the late 70s, I was a little too young to get involved and go to South America for the Jonestown massacre. But this is as close as I'll ever get, so that's why I'm here. Wait, the Jonestown massacre? See? Nothing like being a cult right up front, man. All right. That is Tom Hoyle on Fox News at Trump's Rock Hill rally the other day. Just absolutely trolling the fuck out of Fox. He did a interview. Turns out Tom Hoyle's a bull work, man, at least in spirit. He was a registered Republican for decades, but a year and a half ago, he re-registered as an independent. He didn't want the stain of what used to be the Republican party on him anymore. Really great work. I mean, that's artistic work. We also learned in the subsequent interview he did. He came up with it on the fly. He had a different, more vulgar troll videos planning, but he decided he didn't want the old ladies on TV to see whatever that was. He didn't share. So he came up with this on the fly, really good. Everyone was enjoying it. Multiple text change shared with Jane Kostin has to be a little bit of a downer about it though. I do need to break out woke Jane, but it's actually like, you know, like there are things you watch when you're a kid that like scar you forever. Many people that's like a horror movie or something. Yeah. I watched in 1998, sort of an 11 years old. There was a 2020 special on the 20th anniversary of what took place at Jonestown. And because I did not have adequate parental supervision, I watched this whole thing. And it is one of the worst things I have ever watched to this day. So what took place in Jonestown in Guyana was that 918 people died, some by the result of taking poison willingly, many by being forced to take poison, all part of a cult, the people's temple run by one of the worst people to ever live, Jim Jones. He had basically convinced all of these people. He had had them run trial mass suicides before because he had told them he'd basically taken them away from their families. They had been part of a church that was in San Francisco. That had been multi-racial, that had been a place for, you know, working in the community, which is why you can see there are lots of like not very helpful photos of Jim Jones and a host of like democratic figures in California. He basically like his whole thing was kind of a sort of anti-racist Marxism or that's how it started. And then it turned into a cult of personality. Many people were very worried about this when he was in the United States. Many people were saying like, you know, I want to get my family out of this. He said, fuck you all. And he took all of these people to Guyana. They were on this massive encampment where they were going to like basically start a new civilization. It was horrible. It didn't work. Things were going very badly. They did not have adequate food or water because they were basically in the middle of the jungle and no one knew what they were doing. And a actual hero, Congressman Leo Ryan goes down there with Jackie Spear, former US representative who was his assistant. He goes down there on November 18, 1978 because he has heard that his constituents are like basically being held hostage by a cult figure. He goes down there to investigate allegations. He brings back. He wants to bring back a host of people who are saying I want to leave. He is ambushed at the airport. He is shot to death multiple times, multiple times in the face. He is one of two members of Congress to die in the line of duty. Jackie Spear was shot multiple times and had to wait 22 hours for help. The members of the people's temple go back to the compound and Jim Jones who has been doing these practice runs of mass suicides. He orders everyone. There are tapes of this, which were played during the special, I don't mean to get emotional. It's just horrible what happened to these people. Many of them are like elderly African American women, elderly African Americans, like children, hundreds of children. He orders them to take poison. It's flavor aid, mixed with cyanide, it was not cool aid. Something that isn't talked about enough is that many of them were forced to take poison at gunpoint. Some of them were forcibly injected, including babies. Again, 918 people died, including Jim Jones, piece of shit, horrible person. There is the most searing piece of journalism I have ever read in my life is a detailed synopsis of this from 1978 that was written in Rolling Stone, where someone went down there. Tim K. Hill went down there and saw the bodies and he describes going back to the airport and being approached by Hari Krishna's and being like, don't even fucking talk to me. I've just seen the worst thing you've ever seen in your entire life. So, I totally under, like this has now become, I know, Jones town is like the like, the pithy. So good bit, Tom Hoyle. It's a good bit. Making the Kool-Aid joke, not that good. It is an excellent bit. I am not taking away from the bit. I also am entertained by the fake outrage of like annoying, mega people being like, how dare this person be at this event and talk about how we all believe in this thing and interacting like a cult. We should have him arrested and interrogated. Also he was wearing a shirt for like a metal band called Death and people got fake outraged about that. They did check him out also. The free speech absolutists did get out of that guy. Yes, absolutely because we can't hang with that. But I just want to note here, I don't, Jones town was fucking terrible and referencing it in that way. I understand. Like I know it's become a colloquial, but I think it's worth remembering like what actually happened. There's a memorial in Oakland to the people who died there. I think at least one of Jones' sons survived. The survivors are heroes and what they, the stories they tell about all of this are searing and they should not be forgotten. And it was awful. But also if you are fake outraged because someone points out that your event where everybody listens to Donald Trump talk about people's asses and we all have to pretend as if this is normal and good. If you're outraged and someone says that sounds cultish, like come on, don't lie to me. Thank you for sharing that with us. We're going to end with kind of the opposite with sad news and as a quick happy note because you know, we don't want to leave people out that down. And that is also another Jones, June. My friend, Bob, was uncle passed away recently. Football coach, University of Hawaii, Aloha, and you posted on Blue Sky that you were writing an article about how you think that college football coaches should do an all pass interference offense for you. I do. As far as possible and hope to get called pass interference and you tried to call many football coaches. I genuinely wanted to have an actual conversation about this like I wanted to know was my friends Uncle June. Yeah. June Jones might have the tape in 2017. He actually like talked to me for half an hour about this and one, he basically was like, yeah, we all pretty much already do this. Like we all are like, you know, it's third and eleventh and just fucking chuck the ball and see what happens because college cornerbacks aren't that good and they're going to screw up. And it's not a spot foul. Finally enough, over the last couple of years, my good friend, Andy Staples, college sports writer and extraordinaire. He had a conversation with referees a couple of years ago where they were like, we're trying to stop people from doing this. Like, they're going to stop and you may have noticed that like there are fewer pass interference calls in college. But now they're a lot in the NFL and people get mad about them and I'm like, don't be mad at the player. Hey, the game that encourages you to do this. But like R.I.P. Junjones for, you know, he brought SMU back from the literal depths, coached Hawaii for a long time, but also like he took half an hour of his time to talk to some lady about her dumb theory about the past interference offense. And I really appreciate that. So R.I.P. I had a great stash for a little while too. Just epic epic epic or so it's what they're going with these days epic or has Junjones all right. Jane Kostum. Thank you. Very much. Appreciate all the bonus time. Appreciate the somewhat optimistic, anxiously optimistic views of them. That's right. I think that's the median view of the listener. And everyone enjoy their Halloween weekend. We'll be back with Bill Crystal on Monday and then the big day is Tuesday. So see you all then. Peace. Bye, Jane. Bye. 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