Jake Paul, Amber Ruffin, Francis Ngannou and Romeo Santos

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A magical thing. After all, this big world we call home is yours for the making. So, make what matters. Learn more at Autodesk.com. With Autodesk, you can make anything. Uninterrupted. When you get in New York, I call it Tony Soprano Italian. If you take a real Italian person to a New York Italian place, they're going to look at you like, what the fuck? The truth is, those are Dominicans cooking that food. I know, because they're my cousins. On this episode of Uninterrupted, the Shop Podcast, Maverick Carter and Paul Rivera are joined by Jake Paul. Now, I don't care what people say unless it is a well-crafted thought from someone who is successful and has walked. At least somewhat in my shoes. Francis Ngannou. I didn't want to sign a contract. I don't want to sign my life to somebody who doesn't give me any something else in return. Amber Ruffin. What a lot of people are calling cancel culture is just accountability. We, as a people, are evolving, and it'll take some people a long time. Some people are there already. And Romeo Santos. Had you asked me maybe 20 years ago, could you. deliver a show in the way I do today, I would have told you there's no way. In fact, if these people perceive that I'm nervous, I'm ruined. Check it out. You play, you know, you play baseball. You don't play fighting. No. If you play football and you're the quarterback, if you make a mistake, it's an interception. When you fight, a mistake is you're not. backed the fuck out. And the problem with fighting is, like, when you make the mistake, you have to stick with it for months. Yes. You know? Yes, because basketball, you play bad today. Next day, there is a game. Two day after, there is a game. And then you go there, you have the opportunity to play from where. But you, you play from bad. First of all, you have, like, a concussion, so you have 90 day out before you even go back to the gym. So it's like six months. You're living with your demon every day, hunting you in your room. Like, "Hey, you should have done this instead of this." - -I'm like. -That's also true in comedy. -For months. I write on "Late Night with Seth Meyers," which is, like, a nightly talk show, and Seth would say, "If you get jokes on the show, then you feel good, and then the next day, you feel great. But if you go a week without getting jokes on the show, you feel bad. But then the next day, you have an opportunity to have jokes. So you feel good." And he was saying, when he was on "SNL," you would have to wait for a full week to see, and he would say it was torture. I was like, "Oh, wow. I don't have that." 'Cause every day, we have a new show, and it's a new opportunity to do a good job. You auditioned for "SNL" and didn't make it. What was that like? I can't imagine how competitive it is auditioning for it. Yeah, I mean, we had showcases here in L.A., and I did exactly what they asked, but a lot of people just did what they felt, and I was like, "Oh, okay, so this is gonna be good for me." So then I made it to go to New York for their audition, and I really thought I was gonna get it. I don't know why I thought that. So cocky. So unreasonably cocky. And I go to do my audition, you know, in the studio, you know, on the stage where people give the monologue. And as I'm walking out, fucking Leslie Jones is walking back. People are falling out, laughing so fucking hard. Oh, wow. She's not on stage. She's not on stage anymore. And people are like, "Ha, ha, ha, ha." The roar, it was like a roar. And I walk in, and I audition in that, and I was like, "Okay." You literally followed Leslie Jones in the audition? Yeah, I did. I followed her to nothing. I was the only one of the finalists who did not get hired. Sasheer, La Kendra, and Leslie-- Leslie and La Kendra were writers. They got hired all at once, and I did not get hired. But then, a couple days later, I got a call from Seth Meyers, and I was like, "Hey, I want you guys to write a comedy for my show anyway, to write on my show." And thank God, because SNL, I do not know them. I do not know what it is like to write there. I assume it is much harder than-- It's brutal. Fucking late night Seth is just you and your little friends goofing around all day. We'll leave, go eat a steak, come back, write two jokes, and we're done. Like, it's, you know, Montessori school for comedy. But, yeah, I do think, ultimately, I'm a good writer. Jake, let me ask you, you have an interesting boxing background where it's like, you have five pro fights? -Yes. -Right? When did you realize you could fight? Man, you know, it's crazy as it sounds. From the first day I sparred, you know, the coach who I was training with at the time was like-- like, couldn't believe it. He was like, "You've never fought before?" That was amazing. Like, he was blown away. He, like, stopped and was like, "What's going on here?" And just from that day, like, my coaches always told me, like, "Yo, you're a natural. This is crazy. You could really fight," blah, blah, blah. And so I started to get confidence in myself because of that. But then once I put on the 10-ounce gloves in my first pro fight, knocked this kid out in the first round, that's when I was like, "Oh, maybe my coaches were right." Up to that point, you weren't even sure. I wasn't sure. They were like, "You're heavy-handed. You have power," blah, blah, blah. But that was the first moment of me realizing, like, "Damn, I could-- I could really take this far." Do you think people take you seriously as a boxer? -And do you give a shit? -I don't give a shit, you know? -But I think-- -I didn't at first. -I'll be honest. I didn't at first. -You didn't take him seriously? -Me too. -I did not at first. -Yeah. -I'll be honest. I was like, "This is a gimmick. I don't even want to watch this shit." I didn't take you seriously at first at all. Has your perspective changed as you've seen him in more fights? Yeah. I mean, I think everyone that doubted him at this point has agreed that he's a legit one. I mean, at first, I was like, "Okay, whatever." "Yeah, you know, even my grandma can-- my grandma can box." Then you kind of, like, see him, how he fights. I think it was a Tyrone Woodley fight. I'm like, "Okay, if after this fight somebody has a doubt about him, that means he has a personal problem with it, you know?" I feel like you're one of the most judged people in the public eye. It's like, if I asked ten people, "Give me one word to describe Jake Paul," I'd probably get ten different answers. -Yeah. -I'd get, "He's a boxer. He's a user." "He's a YouTuber. He's a troll. He's doing good for sport." "Cringe." Um, how do you feel about, like, the negativity that comes along with social and all that for you personally? When I was younger, the comments definitely affected me 'cause I wasn't as confident. I was, like, 15 years old, and I would be getting all these comments, and I was bullied in high school. When I started, like, making it on Vine, eventually I became numb to it, and now I don't care what people say. Unless it is a well-crafted thought from someone who is successful and has walked at least somewhat in my shoes. It's interesting to hear everyone's perspectives, even though it's different professions. And the key element for all of us is confidence. People have, like, this perception, "Okay, he's confident or she's confident." The moment they feel that energy that you're not confident, Your shit is ruined. because if you go and you're about to fight someone and your opponent feels like he's a bit scared, you're going to get your ass beat. Well, speaking of confidence you had, you were in a group, a super successful group, Aventura. Did you ever doubt yourself like, hey, can I do this thing on my own? Had you asked me maybe 20 years ago, could you deliver a show in the way I do today, I would have told you there's no way. In fact, I remember that I would perform and once the song was over, I couldn't speak to the crowd because I was so shy that it was terrible. It took a lot of years of practice. And for me, people not knowing my songs at an early stage, I had to talk to them. You had to bring them along. I was making motherfuckers laugh. So if you ever go to one of my shows, there's a lot of. So you just saw comedy as like, oh, this is a way for me to relax and help the crowd relax. It was more for the crowd or was it more for you? I would say it was a combination. It started more with my confidence. Like, if these people perceive that I'm nervous, I'm ruined. So I would just make fun of people. Like, I'm about to sing this song and I would just say something like, yo, is that your girl? But why is she looking at me? You know, and just. I'd be like, honey, we got to go. Yo, we're going home. Get your shit. We get to get the fuck out of here, right? And to be honest with you, at times, that didn't go well for me. But again, we go back to the context. Like, what would happen? Ooh, I was doing a show, I'm going to say like maybe eight years ago. I'll improvise singing to the chick. And I would tell the dude, your girl, she loves me. You know, we have a history. Oh, shit. Mind you, I don't know her. Listen, this dude, he's like. Like, grilling me. Like, I'm about to fuck you up, bro. I thought he was just playing along. He was making my show more interesting. I realized he wasn't acting when he threw his glass on stage. Threw this shit at me. Yeah, I think everybody realized, oh, he's serious. True story. Yeah, and I was like, oh. They escorted him out the building and I felt, oh, man, I provoked this shit, you know? Did his girl stay? Oh, yes, she did. Oh, no. Oh, that's not his girl, then. That's not his girl. Question. With all the success you guys have had, do you still get nervous? I do. I feel like once 300 people have booed you, it's hard to feel nervous. I used to work at a theater called Boom Chicago in Amsterdam. And we would have a lot of, like, stag do's and bachelorette parties. And people would come just fucked up. And then from. You'd be like, hey, welcome to Boom Chicago. They'd be like, ah, eat shit. You'd be like, god damn. And you would know you're going to have a bad show. And you know you got to fight them a little bit. You just go through it. That must be hard. But then they've destroyed it already. I mean, it is hard, but it's also great. Because once you do that, you can do anything. To be honest with you, like, every time I walk on stage, I feel. I don't know if the right term is nervousness. It's just like this. Stress. Anxiety. Anxious. The butterfly. Yeah, and I think that. I describe that as still respecting the crowd. Still respecting, you know, the crowd. Champ, you still get nervous on the walkout? Of course. I mean, we don't play. We don't perform. We fight, you know. And you're going to fight somebody. You don't know what will happen in that octagon, you know. And also the responsibility that you have. The reason why you're fighting for. There is a thousand of things that can happen in there. And you don't know. You just have to find out in the next 25, 15 or 25 minutes. Have you ever gotten a ring and realized the guy across from you is scared? Yeah. Now I can see that. Before the fight, everybody is like, talk and this, you know. But when they lock that cage, like. You look at your opening in your eyes like this. And at that moment, I'm like, you see somebody, you're like, damn, what did I do? Like, oh, I'm like, bro, it's over. I can't believe. People get in there and they're like, I'm confident. That's insane. If they lock that cage, I'm like, excuse me. People get in the cage with you and they go, I'm fine. Excuse me. Excuse me. Can somebody open that door? If I looked across and saw him, I'd be like. Yeah, no shot. Jake, you have five fights in. I assume you still get nervous on the walkout. I'm more so just excited because, honestly, I've put in all the work and done all the preparation, right? And we spar all the time in training camp. You know, hundreds of rounds. And I'm not getting paid for that. So this is the night I get to go out there and get paid and, like, do my thing. And actually, we can get out of there early. We don't have to go the whole entire fight. We can have an early night, put him to sleep, and get out of there. You bring up pay. It would have been very easy for you to make your money, get paid, worry about you. You know, I think since your first, second fight, you've taken on someone from your world, Dana White. Talked about UFC, the gap in pay. Has that been such an important cause for you to take up? Yeah, for me, it's about changing combat sports in general. You know, that's what I've always been passionate about doing since I came in and helping women's boxing. And my foundation, Boxing Bullies, which helps kids get involved in the sport early. But then the fighter pay side of it, I've just seen how people and fighters are getting taken advantage of. You know, this is the most dangerous sport in the world. And the UFC, you know, makes billions of dollars a year, and they're only paying their fighters 15% of that. You know, Ari Emanuel, the CEO of Endeavor, you know, his salary last year was more than the entire UFC roster. So, these fighters are risking their lives for $10,000. There's no long-term health care. So, for me, I just saw it as a problem. And I am one of the people who can use my platform to speak up about it. Because a lot of fighters in the UFC are scared to say something because Dana can just shelf them. So, I'm one of the very few people who doesn't need Dana necessarily. And, yeah, I started talking about it, and it just got a ton of momentum. And I was like, yeah, like, okay, I'm going to continue to talk about this. And now more and more people are speaking up. So, it sort of started this revolution. Francis is one of the people. Yay! But, Francis, what gives you the courage to stand up? Why do you have the. Because you've stood up against him. And you're talking about it now. I think mine was more. At first, it was pride. I was frustrated of how they were treating me, you know. First, because I didn't want to sign a contract. And that, I felt like they were using that power against me. This contract is a fucked up. I don't have it. I don't want to sign my life to somebody who doesn't give me anything else in return. He doesn't have any responsibility. He can decide whenever he wants. He can decide about you. And he's not even obligated to give you fights. So, what is the reason of signing this type of contract? But this is the difference. Francis is one of the most exciting fighters in the world. He has the strongest punch in the world, I believe. And he's the heavyweight champion of the world in MMA. In boxing, the heavyweight champion of the world makes 32 million. A fight? This is public information. He's making 600, 700K the fight. So, that's where the discrepancy is. That's a big discrepancy. And no one can see that. That is fucked up. I'm not a genius, but that's a big discrepancy. But it's very simple. In boxing, they have to negotiate. It's open. There is two sides. It's open. It's not one company. Here, there is one company who owns both fighters. You and your opponent. It's a conflict of interest. I don't know if that's legal. So, it's just you guys. Okay, you guys are fighting. You're fighting that guy. Is that legal? It is not legal. So, no more power. But the problem is, like, the company is so big, and they are getting bigger and fighter. And they are getting bigger and fighter. And they are getting smaller, that everybody is scared. Everybody, nobody want to face or to fight the company or to say no. That's no good. And if all the fighters came together? They cannot come together. It's very complicated because financially, if somebody have to rely on you to pay his bill, because you're controlling his wallet, how much he get, and you can do whatever you want, of course, he cannot stand up against you. The fighters can band together, though. No, they cannot. But eventually. But we, we, I say we, we can. Because eventually, my ultimate goal is to create a fighters' union. It needs to be done. And it seems impossible, and maybe it will be. But that's how. And people say, Jake, like, how are you going to create a fighters' union? Like, you know, they'll just shelf all the fighters in the fighters' union. No, everyone comes together, and we're not fighting. We're not fighting. That's how they do it here. There's writers' guilds. There's directors' guilds. How are you going to feed those people? Because a lot of them, after eight months, after. eight weeks of training camp, after four months of not fighting, they are broke, bro. What he's saying is, to create a union, what you actually have to be okay with is, I'm taking a stand for not me, but for the future fighters. Let's do this now for the future of fighting, which I do agree with that. You make more in the long run. Well, you, my point is, you may not even do it, but the fighters coming behind you will do it. Exactly. The next generation. You have to be okay with that. Exactly. I'm not the biggest fan of America. This is. - This is one of the things we do great, is a union. We will negotiate. some fools every union has gone through this every single union i think you are a million percent correct it is one thousand percent possible and yeah like people will be poor for a minute and that's part of it it's part of it it's you know here's the thing time out all right i'm i'll call upon the 10 biggest boxers 10 highest paid boxers and 10 highest paid people from the ufc yo why can't you donate 200 000 to the union to help pay these fighters for these six months are you that selfish floyd mayweather canelo who makes 50 million for a fight canelo why you can't donate 200 000 to this union i'll donate 500 000 i'll donate a million to pay him whether i'll donate i'll donate a million so we could pay the fighter i'm in for a million i'm in for i i could raise more than that but i'm saying that the money that we put into the union can help pay the the fighters who aren't getting paid as much in the interim well that's how it could be interesting though because obviously people have a lot of different perceptions of you fights partying you've had obviously controversies and things but it's interesting to hear you say that like as a human you are growing what are you just 25. i'm 25. but no like like you said it's like my my people shouldn't be hitting you you're a child no well i mean i grew up on camera so anything i did wrong like and by the way i was doing stuff wrong and you know fighting and fighting has helped me mature to become a different person but it is like you said like you know i i messed up and did stupid that i'm not that i'm not proud of i'm 40 i'm stupid everybody yesterday damn i feel like when i was young those jokes man thank god nobody was taping that it was horrible garbage horrible garbage but i feel like especially in comedy you say some rancid rancid because it gets laughs anytime you say you know like when you were a kid you went poo-poo and everyone would be like ah this is the best before this is hilarious and it's that same element and when you get older then it's the same type of garbage that um gets you cred for being you know edgy and you don't realize that that's garbage until you're a little bit older amber living in like the world we're living obviously censorship cancel culture all those things is anything going too far in comedy i feel like what a lot of people are calling cancel culture is just accountability you know and i i don't think we can just be on everybody all the time anymore it used to be anything goes and now it doesn't and that's great because guess what it used to be cool to not hire me because how i look of course you know so i can't be i can't be mad at that i i think that we as a people are evolving and it'll take some people a long time some people are there already but it is that journey that we're all in right now and yeah it feels bad and weird who cares getting better feels bad also like people go oh i can't be raised i can't be the one who did the bad thing but it's if society as a whole is so sorry that i've come to this we're here if society as a whole is built on white supremacy which it is then we cannot act like we are all above it oh we're in it we're in it we it's it's in the very fabric of our lives it's how we live it's on the money it's everywhere and i think that's more of the thing it's not like you were a bad dude and you did this and you are bad and it's tarnished on you forever that's not it it's like yeah i'm a product of society what do you want so yeah thank you for giving me the opportunity to get there take me with me when you go on every night there's never been many women in late night do you feel that pressure of like especially as a black woman going on every night i'm a 40 year old black lady from omaha nebraska i don't feel a need to like represent everybody i can't if black people if black women were a monolith i absolutely could and i'd love to do it but we're not so i can't the to go back on the cancer culture thing is like if people want to have cancer culture and cancel somebody cool you know you did something wrong maybe apologize for it whatever you offended a bunch of people but then you that same society should give that that same person the opportunity to grow and change that was wrong don't do that again and you know give them the opportunity to realize what they did was wrong but that's the problem with cancer culture is it just it needs to be so definite society likes to place things in boxes jake paul is this you know robert carter is this just canceling this no like but it's not that's not how it is jumping on the bandwagon with social media where a lot of people are just voicing an opinion without having the full facts because they want to be down exactly you know it's like i release an album and you see some dudes like dissecting my music immediately the just came out like it took me me two years to record this album and you're immediately like that whack i don't expect everyone to love what i do but i think there's a difference between constructive criticism and straight up just bullying and hating so i think that that has a lot to do with it too that people just they want that that cloud you know like these doing podcasts in their rooms like they they're experts in music i receive i receive i receive a lot of love i receive a lot of love for them i receive comments sometimes whether it's a dm or comment and people will break down tell you how you should train and how you should fight like i put a video on me like he didn't meet and the guy would be like no work more on your wrestling you have to see this coach and then walk like this like that like that i'm like whoa hold on a minute what is your record like how this guy never fight in his life you've never been in the gym you know you are walking your ass every day twice a day or whatever you know i can hear he's all inspired i can hear like you can't hear you know romeo by the way talking about latin music it's always been big but now you got like all the new orders bad bunny what's the difference what they're going through now and dealing with versus when you first started because you've been around a very long time the bag the bag got bigger right the bag i mean no old jokes aside you know i think that um especially urban music is um a momentum that's amazing like and the digital just changed absolutely everything in a good way um guys like bad bunny um balvin osura you know they they kind of inspired other artists like okay we we can become successful and a lot faster than in my generation you know before i even reached stardom i was already doing local group like local clubs and like that for like five years you know the industry has changed so drastically that it's like yo you could become a phenomenal that i don't tell a manana off a hit on soundcloud yeah like i'm talking about like these guys like i remember speaking to osuna when he was just starting like a year and a half later he was a superstar and you've collaborated with a lot of artists like who was the one that surprised the out you like damn that's some i didn't expect that's a lot they went to a level you didn't know they were going to go to so i i produced and wrote a record for my second solo album with mark anthony it was a salsa which is not maybe fuerte you know i'm a bachata but i'm a huge fan of salsa as well and for him to trust me in producing and songwriting a silence out for me was like surreal and i i recall being in the studio with mark just guiding him like by the way he doesn't need no guidance but you know i'm like yo could you do it like this could you do it like that and i'm so passionate about this that i'm a bit intense at moments and i remember that once we were done with the session he was like bro i can't remember the last time that i was in a studio session this long and is telling me yo could you do the slogan like this and that was for me a surreal moment just because i grew up on mark like i just grew up like wow this guy to me was like unreachable and to be able to write produce a song with him like that that's just crazy to me that was a very special moment drake have you had some boxers reached out to you that you're like damn i can't believe that boxer reached out to me with some advice or something yeah look i mean there's been a ton of support which is crazy and and i think the biggest one who is one of my idols is mike tyson he's taking me under his wing in some sorts you know we we've partied together he's giving me advice like he's such a such a dope party with mike evander holyfield you know devin haney ryan garcia david benavidez they've taken you in as a as like you're one of us yeah i'll be dm me and benavidez like yo like what would you recommend for this sort of workout out of and he'll give me advice, and I implement it. - Does that give you self-validation, knowing that these guys that are real fucking guys and giants are welcoming you into the fraternity? - No, yeah, it means a lot, and it's dope, you know? And they've all been so awesome to me, and I appreciate that. It means a lot. And, you know, they're not haters, you know? 'Cause there's a lot of people, at first, in the boxing world who were like, "Oh, I don't know." And there's still people who are like, "Oh, I don't know, I don't know about this." But the fact that they are showing love, you know, that is all the motivation and proof that I need. - I think you'll always be like that, and we'll always have those people. That's what makes the community, that's what makes your friend base. You can't pick, like, "Okay, I just want a good guy." There's always bad guy, haters in between. You have to deal with them. You have to learn how to deal with them, or ignore them and move on. And it doesn't matter how good you are, you might become the best person on earth, but you will always have criticism. You're gonna have, like, 100 people liking you. You're gonna find someone like, "Oh, he's this, he's that." Always. And you can, that can change. - I cannot believe how true that is. Like, if a thousand people are like, "This is the shit." Those 10 motherfuckers? - Oh, yeah. - They're like-- - Sometimes it's one. - Like, what is that? - When you see those kind of comment, look at the reply. You know, you will find your real friend, reply and go after him. - Do you ever reply to them? - No. - No? - No. - No. - Oh, yeah. - Don't, delete that account, no. - I go in, I go in, I go in. - No, listen, and I have to be honest, that shit feels good. - Fuck you, bitch. - That shit feels good. - He sucks, you suck. - Shit. - I don't reply, but some of, most of the time, my friend reply to those, you know? And then I will look at it. - And you like it? It makes you feel good? - Yeah. - My friend defends me. - Can I just say. - You know? - Nah, props to your optimism, man. - Cheers. - Now every time we say something negative or something. - That's what I was about to say. - I was about to say that. You know what I was about to say? - Man drives. - Seven billion people on the planet, he can kick everybody's ass, right? I have no idea, after sitting with him, how the fuck he gets in a rage to go fight somebody. - That's a question I had. When you're fighting someone, I'm so sorry that this might sound very silly. Do you feel angry? - Are you mad at them? - No. - Or is it like a-- - It's a joke. - It's a joke. - It's a joke. - You can't be angry, you'll get tired. You have to be calm. - Do they ever make you angry though? - You don't have to be angry. Like me, it's really hard to get me angry. I just know the reason why. - We know. - Yeah. - No, I just have to remind myself why I'm fighting. When you come from a small village, from a country like Cameroon, nobody expect you to become a world champion. From where I came from, we weren't even, allowed to have a dream. That's why anytime when I have a chance, I just go back home because that's the moment that I kind of like realize, kind of collect myself, realize where I'm from. - That's dope. And you know, you just, I reminisce for a second. I sold out two Yankee stadiums. And you know, sometimes it takes a while for you to digest, you know, like those moments that they mean a lot to people, but also, you know, you should enjoy every moment, every successful moment. - Exactly. - And my uncle said something to me. He was like, are you ready? Like, he tells me, are you ready to tell your kids, like, how this felt? And I'm like, oh shit. Like, sometimes you get caught up with the production, with the invited guests. - You're crossed. You're in the moment. - Yeah, you know, and then you're like, oh shit. Like, this is, you know, so that's deep. I can relate to that. - Then you're like, okay, this is real shit. You know, I remember like when I first won the belt, I was going, I went back home and was living my normal life. Then sometime at night, I'm like, I'm a world champion, right? I have a belt. So I'll go check like, am I dreaming or it's true? Because for me, it was just like nothing changed. I'm like, okay, why I'm not feeling a change? Like, why life is just so normal? I'll just look at it. I'm like, okay, so if the belt is here, that means I'm a world champion. But you don't realize it. - Yes, you don't realize it. - Of course. - But the champ, by the way, no matter how much he gets paid fighting, he can make a lot more as a therapist and a motivational fucking speaker. I think you got, you got two fights already. And with that, we're a wrap. 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