The speaker begins by expressing strong opposition to Missouri’s renewed abortion ban, arguing that it is politically deceptive and rooted in anti-trans rhetoric rather than genuine policy. Despite its claims, such bans fail to prevent abortions and instead endanger women’s health by restricting access to safe, medical care. The speaker condemns the Republican strategy of framing reproductive rights as a gender identity issue, calling it manipulative and disrespectful of voter agency. Transitioning into personal reflections, the speaker shares vivid anecdotes from a late-night karaoke experience and a visit to a strip club, where a moment of emotional resonance with a song—“Lips of an Angel”—becomes a symbolic touchpoint for understanding vulnerability and human connection. These stories explore themes of intimacy, personal boundaries, and the discomfort of societal judgment. The speaker critiques rigid frameworks around sexuality and relationships, advocating for fluidity, consent, and authenticity in personal connections. They also reflect on the cultural pressures of monogamy and the moral implications of wealth, noting that extreme wealth often breeds isolation and a false sense of security. Ultimately, the narrative balances political activism with personal introspection, emphasizing that freedom—whether in politics or in intimate relationships—should be rooted in mutual respect, not fear or performance. The discussion ends with a call to awareness: people should be free to express themselves without shame, and society should recognize that personal boundaries are both valid and essential.
I'm sorry if you grew up in the North East like you are getting flamed by your family at all times like a new England like new it like especially I don't know coming from Rhode Island like I had no sense of like fashion growing up because if you were like a funny shirt they'd be like whoa they were actually coming out of the stairs like you couldn't do anything Missouri Republicans are trying to ban abortion again if you vote in Missouri like I do I hope that you will join me in voting no on three to stop the abortion ban I hope that you will share about it I hope that you will knock on your neighbor's doors if you have money to donate to the campaign I hope that you will donate some please please please do not take for granted how important this is I know that you're exhausted we all are the reason Missouri voters are particularly exhausted is because a couple of years ago Missouri Republicans enacted the strictest abortion ban in the country and then Missouri voters put it up for a vote and said no it's a lot of things and voted it down which is extremely cool and makes sense abortion bands are an extremely unpopular policy it makes you wonder how these Republicans continue to get elected since it's their only fucking idea apparently and now just two years later the amendment is back but this time because the Republicans couldn't win on the issue of abortion and know that they can't win they have wrapped up this amendment in a bunch of very dishonest language about transitioning minors genders so of course it's an anti-trans thing once again they think you're fucking stupid they don't respect your vote they don't care about women they don't care that women will die because of this if it passes I don't want to go on a big long rant but abortion bands don't stop abortions even if you disagree with them they only stop access to safe abortions and health care and health care and I think it is extremely telling that the Republicans in Missouri have to wrap this whole conversation up in an anti-trans bias in order to get you to try and vote for their thing to trick you into it I think we should really think about that and probably stop electing these people Are you musical like can you like write music or play an instrument I'm already stepping in at what are we 90 seconds on no no I can't Jake but I think someday who knows there's an album in you there's there's a song within me I mean I saw I saw the karaoke you know what did I do that night what did you do that night I did bent by matchbox for me fucking thank you for doing matchbox 20 by the way I'm yeah I actually do remember that now do I necessarily fully support you picking bent from their catalog I don't know what would you love yeah did the room no been no so the room I'm gonna say this I was doing this thing where I was going because people were asking like every friend of mine in that room was like have you put a song in here be put a song in and I was like I was like not yet not yet so when I did put a song in I went up to each of those people to temperature check I put in bed by matchbox 20 and they were like love matchbox 20 in a way I was like I don't think it's gonna rip in a way and there is and the other thing I forgot to there's a there's a 65-second instrumental interlude where I just had to dance you said I'm doing my matchbox 20 and they're like not well not yeah well that's sad that's the thing is like you got it and then it's like if I'm gonna do up it's a disease but no one knows that's on a later album right yeah so I kind of I maybe should have just moved on look matchbox 20 was an incredibly inspired choice and you found a fan than me yes I will say the thing that I was that karaoke brought me that night was I do now think lips of an angel by Hinder is one of the greatest ever written most of an angel is an incredible song and I don't know if I've told this on this podcast before but I have an extremely personal story with it do you which is that when I was 18 years old maybe no I guess I would have had to be 18 a bunch of us had turned 18 in like my senior year of high school I look an hour and a half away from Kansas City there is a strip club in Kansas City called totally nude that is downtown and my friends and I my little straight boy friends and like two of their girlfriends were like let's drive to the city and go to the strip club and I was like oh my god yeah like like let's go so we like piled into someone's car and drove like six of us to the strip club and we went in there so scared not sure if we were going to get in like everyone was trying to be cool but it was clearly like we're children yeah and we got in there and it was really really really tough and I can't remember if it was way my friend Wade or my friend Chase this is of course Roman Zuri so people are named like that and it was so of course I befriended one of the first girls I befriended one of the girls we were chatting on the side we're talking about her life and of course it was a bit of a tale you know she's been through some stuff so we're really into it her name I really it was either chair your candy and I know that it was one of them and I can't remember which and she was from Iowa and she was like I came down here to dance and I was like for sure girl like we're really getting into it and then she asked me if I wanted to dance at one point and I was like I don't have a lot of money and I don't want to like rip you off and also I'm not I'm okay out at this time or no me no not I was out to a couple I was out to maybe two of the friends that we were with I bet Sherry would have taken it in I guarantee you when I said I'm okay she was like okay baby she was like that she's kind of yeah but after being there for like now it was not a fun vibe very sad vibes and I was like I was like I swear to God they're going to play lips of an angel soon like I'm just getting a premonition and if they do we have to leave I shit you not two songs later the lights turn blue a heavy set girl walks out on stage and lips of an angel comes on and she first of all looked good as fuck but second of all it's a sad song to do at the strip club and she started working the poll I said we got to go yeah that's a I'm gladly ready you know it was so bad it was so it was crazy I remember she was wearing these tall black heels she had her tits out but she had panties on it's like she was thick too no girl there's like a lips joke I don't want like a lips joke I don't want to make here but like there's just like a lot happening it's also like funny because it's like it's really good to hear your voice it's like the one thing is a stripper you would kind of are not allowed to do is talk it's just like sad yeah yeah my girls in the next room she's like we got a fucking go guys oh my god it was awesome and so now every time I hear a lips of an angel I think of those girls yeah your girls back it's my girls those are my girls what was it called total nude totally nude totally nude totally nude still there I love that and I've slowly met other like as I meet people in Kansas City the older I get a lot of the men that I meet well they have a totally new story that's very formative to them of course totally I've only been to I've only been to a straight strip club once wow I was it it was it was it was it was it was carpeted I will tell you that of course it was carpet it was carpeted and it did have it did have two polls one at the back of the stage and one of the front and one of the during one of the numbers I'm looking at the poll at the front of the stage and I was like so that's a water pipe like that's function is like part of the that's low bearing yeah I know 100% was and I was like nervous it was gonna get hot I was like it felt like it could be a radio yeah but I saw a woman put a dollar inside herself in her vagina wow yeah I got in trouble once in Chicago in the comedy scene because I was I posted on Twitter about a show that I went to where a person with the vagina cracked an egg out of their yeah and I just posted about how strange that was and was this like a clown show it's giving clown to me I don't know what you would call it if they call it clown then I send them love it was culinary it was strange it was bizarre is it like a comedy venue it was meant to be a comedy venue I wasn't laughing I was just like I was like oh that's so strange and I posted about how strange it was and I got in trouble see I think this is a thing that when people I think the youth don't understand when people like you and I are so resistance like clown culture yeah it's because when we were coming up 10 years ago it had gone so far the other way that they were like like there was a legendary story at UCB about like the time a guy like shit in a diaper and threw it and I was like so we can't get back there like I'm like like worse about like I'm like I'm I'm never a cop until someone gets a little too goofy on stage and then I'm like you don't know how bad this can go well they have no idea what we're keeping them from because all they see right now is that there's like oh they're wearing polka dots and they're strange and it's like you don't know what this could turn to no way to get really nasty I've been there really bad it got really dark I fucking been there yeah you don't know what I saw you you don't know what I I did comedy for five years before I felt fully safe in a theater like because you just never knew because you just never knew if someone how weird someone was going to get no I really do want everyone to do their own thing I really don't care but it is there's also no like my genuine opinion on most things in life you wouldn't know it from this like I just don't give a fuck or really think about it at all but it's way more fun to be like that's disgusting sure but the thing is it people forget that there's a difference between me being like you can do whatever you want but I'm allowed to say I didn't fucking like that that's the things that's my thing that's the whole thing you get to do your thing and then my I get to have my thing too which is being like oh that's weird it's also so it's legitimately so funny to want to do something on stage and then be like people shouldn't have an opinion about this it's like then baby you got a bedroom yeah let's do it there do it at home do it at home I thought me commenting on it was part of it a hundred percent it's happening in the public sphere right if you don't want to get opinions on it from people
like don't like it, that's a kink. - Yeah. - You do that at home. - Yeah. - Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - If you don't want people to laugh at it, don't do it on a stage. - I think you're right. - I'm really right. If you do something goofy on stage, it's art and I can laugh at it or I can not like it. Once you do it in your own bedroom, God bless. I am not no judgment, you know? - I don't know, it depends on if you're talking about it in public as well. - I will say so again. - But once it comes to public, yeah. - If you're speaking of it even, like I think kink shaming is kink shaming okay? - Of course not, but it's like I do get to go like oh that's strange. - Oh, a hundred percent. - You want to fuck my feet? How weird is that? - Yeah, that's so interesting. - I'm not mad at you, I don't think you should go to prison but I think I get to go, oh that's odd. (laughing) - Oh, how fun, I've never heard of that. - Were you a true life kid? Did you watch a lot of true life? - Of course I watched a lot of true life. - Yeah, well fucking loved true life. - There was, I was on Twitter the other day and there was like a guy who like, there was a guy who like clearly it was like some sort of fetish thing where he was like, it was like he had set up a camera in the parking lot of a, I think I can move the theater and like made this scenario that it was like, oh you've been holding his bladder, the whole movie and wasn't gonna make it home and like he ran into frame and then was like, oh no one like pissed himself. And then everyone realized, not someone realized it and reposted it and then everyone had this collective remembering. He was the guy from true life like 15 years ago that like to lick the sneakers. Do you remember him? - No, I don't remember him. - Okay, so again it's sort of like if we had believed him enough back then maybe we would have stopped and we would have gotten here. - Yeah. - Do you know? - 'Cause now he's pissing himself with the parking lot. - Yeah, I mean, and again I go how strange? - How strange? - How strange. - And is that hurting anyone? I guess not. - Certainly not. That's the thing is I'm like, you go boy, you piss yourself with that parking lot. - You post that video. - At least you did in the parking lot. If he was pissing the movie theater, I'd be mad. - 'Cause someone asked to clean it. - You can't piss the movie theater. - I'm gonna ask him to clean that up in the parking lot. It'll just dry up in the sun and no worries. - No worries. - I think everyone do whatever you need to do. - Yeah. - Yeah, if I saw that video I'd be like, that is odd. (laughing) - That is a weird thing you're doing. - Yeah, have you had to have you, has anyone ever like pitched a kink to you and you're like, we're not doing that tonight babe. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, like anal sex. (laughing) - No, no, no, no, anal's cool. - No, it is. - Yeah, I mean, the first couple of years of like being an out gay guy, I was like, it was a lot of, it's a lot of stuff coming out you really totally. - Totally, I'm always kind of blown away by the people who ran right to the anal. - Yeah. - 'Cause I did like a long tour through Siding before we got there. - Which we didn't even have a name for it back then, but we're like that level of age of gay guy now. - Yeah, toad. - When I started out, we didn't have a name for Siding. - Toad of me. - Yeah, and now, but then I found out people were like, oh no, like the first time I did everything, I'm like, that's really crazy. - That's fucking insane. - Yeah. - Yeah, I took a long detour through a lot of stuff. Before we had side, and it was like a recognized classification, you had to just like kind of ask really nicely if you didn't want to have a name. (laughing) - You had to be like, can we just do other stuff? - Or like, or if you were even more cowardly, you just kind of constantly do the thing where you like move. - You're like, no this way. - Like you're like moving your ass out of the way. (laughing) - Oh, what about you, a lot of kings getting thrown your way that you're having to turn down or you're into it? - Um, I'm not, I mean, some are getting thrown away in my way where I'm like, I'm all set there, babe. But I think now with, if you're hooking up off an app, if it gets pitched on the app beforehand, it's easier to be like, I feel like people are less often pitching our kings in the room. - I feel this way a little bit about the whole like, top, bottom side, like people making it such like, and I debt, like literally gave people kind of made it, like you put on the sorting hat and they tell you which one you are. Like it's like that, like fucking locked in. And it's like, yeah, but like, have you ever met someone and totally want to do a totally different thing with them? - Like, I think like people, I like flirting and intimacy and it's like every time you have sex with someone, it doesn't have to be like, this is the kind of sex I have and I do this with whoever I have sex with. It's like, each person's like a new opportunity. Do you know what I mean? - 100% and that's part of what I don't like about the set out defined thing from the app is I'm like, when you walk through the door of my apartment, the vibe might be energetically in the room that I'm like, oh, I actually would do this other thing. - Totally. - Like it just depends. I don't know. I can't just like, looking at photos of you. - Totally, yeah, but like sometimes I'm like, walking, you're like, hey, do you actually want to go get a coffee? Like 100% or sometimes the profile is giving like one, and I'm also open to that being true about me, but the profile is giving one thing and then they walk in and you hear the voice and you're like, it's a different thing. - Totally, like some people, that's like the crazy thing. I think it's when you when people like really, 'cause I don't give a fuck if someone's masculine or feminine, like I have been in front with anyone in a long enough spectrum, but like, it's funny when you misrepresent yourself on that, 'cause it's like, oh, like I would have done it. I would have approached this with a different energy 'cause I approach those two things with a different energy. - 100%. - You also, I just, you can't be dominant towards me if you sound like Elmo. - Totally. - If you have a certain frequency of voice-- - No, you're gonna have to keep it pretty. - Why? - It's gonna have to be pretty level. - 100%. Me and my friend had this guy. We've had it in there. - You're gonna be like, you like that? I'm like, no. - No. - No. - Can't be doing that. This happened to me and my friend recently. We've had a guy that we've had a big crush on the internet and we've been sending videos back and forth. And he never talks. And he recently talks and I said, okay, so with the voice of a B-john freeze, we're gonna have to change it. I was like, I was like, I was like, this really changing. - Some of the fantasies are changing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're making it to the narratives after we were here and like it wouldn't go out. It wouldn't go down the way I thought it was gonna go down. - And I'm still down by the way. It's just, I'm still changing. - I'm still changing. The formulations are changing. - I was in person. I'm going, okay, we're gonna kiss more than I thought. (laughing) - You know what I mean? - 100. - Which is my favorite part by the way? - Well, if you don't like, well, if there's, if it's bad kissing, I'm not doing anything else. I'm not doing anything else, I'm not doing anything else. - Yeah, I'm not doing anything else, I'm not doing anything else. It's your review, she's like, so we've been really concerned with your performance this quarter. You're like, do you want more kisses? - So the reason that Jenny from HR is here because we're putting on a performance improvement plan, don't fuck me, don't have my kisses. - Chest print. - Absolutely. (laughing) - Don't fuck me, don't have my kisses is so true though. - No, it's true. - Don't forget about the kisses on the other side either. - No, yes. - But it bookends with kisses. - Yeah, it bookends. - I need some kisses on the back end as well. I thought you meant rimming, but you meant after the sex was done. (laughing) - You are right, it wasn't clear. - Well, and depending on what energy and voice you bring over, you might be able to give me some back-end kisses as well. - My behind, I talk about sex like that. - Back-end kisses. - You need to kiss me behind. After you have sex, I would be looking for a lot more kisses on the back end. - This is my impression of an Irish guy who likes rimming. - If you need to kiss me behind. (laughing) - Cup it. (laughing) - I love you doing no accent, just the wording. - Because you'll get there, right? - That's the thing is you'll get there. What I like for the viewers to be able to do at home is fill in accents. - Totally. - Ugh, I have a really good accent work. I could do a lot of ones right now, but-- - I could do many of them are problematic. - Yeah. - Many of them are problematic. - Team, and I won't be doing that. - Totally. - So anyway, you're Polly, what's going on with that? (laughing) How scared were you to tell me or did you care at all? - Once, I mean, I told my mom, you know what I mean? After you'd have, like telling your mom that you-- - I've got to be meaner than your mom. - No, but like telling, here's the whole thing, is like you imagine telling your mom that your boyfriend has a husband when your dad had a girlfriend and it wasn't kosher. - Like, you know what I'm gonna point. - Like my dad, like my dad cheated on my mom and then I, like, and being like, so it's cool this time. You know what I mean? And my mom was told, I mean, I could, yeah, like, sort of getting like a serial killer behind glass. My mom would probably be chill with whatever's going on, but she's like the best. But it was, like after that, I was kind of like, like I wasn't, there's some people, it's more annoying for the people who are like, like you know Polly people, you don't respect them, but you know them. Like, I do know them and there are things I respect about. There are many things I respect about you. Your relationship just doesn't work. (laughing) I think you are so brilliant and kind and charming and lovely and warm. I would take a bullet for you. - Yeah. - But yeah, if they called me in court and said, do you respect this relationship? Under oath, I couldn't say yes. (laughing) - And that's just my truth, Joe. - No, and I totally get that, but that's the thing. Not to be so like, we'll about it. But at the end of the day, you're kind of like, I'm kind of like, well, I respect it and I'm happy in it. So it doesn't matter what other people think. - That's completely true. - Which is so true. But like, I would just love it for you guys. - No, you know that. - No, I do know that. - I'm really happy for you guys. - I was with all five of you the other night. (laughing) - Oh my God. - I assume that the girls that you run around with are somehow part of it, but I don't really know. - It depends like how we file each year, like, taxes wise. But this year, it's looking like it might be five. - Yeah. - That's really huge. How did this even happen? How did this start for you? I have a question for you, actually. - Yeah. - Before you became boyfriend to one man and a married couple, were you poly before that? - No, I didn't. - And I didn't think I would like it. - Yeah. - I met my boyfriend, we were working on a cruise together. Yeah, he was singing and I was doing stand up for like a week. And I knew he had a husband because I knew, I actually knew, had met his husband before and like, and I knew who he was through like mutual friends. - So at Jump Street, was it like, I'm just gonna fuck this guy where we're on the cruise? - Like, I introduced, I knew who he was 'cause he had done a show with my friend. - Yeah. So I went to the gym.
and up to him at the hotel the night before 'cause they flew us to Miami the night before. And I was like, "Hey, I'm Jake. I'm friends with this person I'm assuming you're also working on the crew." So we met and so we kind of just started 'cause we were doing, we were on an all-game end's cruise. That was a lot, like it was essentially like, - I know it's so crazy. - It was so crazy on there. - Girl, girl. - They really liked that. - You're like not laughing 'cause it's true, but they really liked that. - No, 'cause I got a sense memory of this now. (laughing) - Do you know how you can't imagine? This cruise was the craziest week of my life. - I had a cabin next to Audra McDonald. - Of course. - Because she was performing on the boat. So I'm listening on one side of my cabin, Audra McDonald's doing vocal warm-ups. The next time, the guy's getting ripped in fuckin' half. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. - It's absolutely the craziest thing you'll ever see. - I know they have signs in every bathroom of what you can and can't flush. - I know that. - Yeah, I know that. - They have, but the bathrooms are in your rooms. - Okay, huge. - And then they also have like a lot of people put like open or close signs on their door and then people just like go in. It's a lot, like there's a lot of stuff happening, but it was like fun. But we kind of like buddyed up 'cause we were like, it's like us like kind of experiencing this whole thing together. And then yeah, we started hooking up and I kind of thought, like oh, like this will just be my cruise boyfriend. - Yeah. - And I did know from a conversation earlier on that they were probably that like, it could in some way become something more. And I didn't think that was for me and wasn't really thinking much about it. And then by the last day I kind of was like, well, I really like him and this. And so when I was like, I'll keep hanging out with him in New York. And then when I got to the point where I was kind of like, well, the only thing I don't like about this is that I thought I wouldn't like this, but I am liking it. So until it gets to a place where I'm not liking it, I'm not gonna end it 'cause like I didn't think I would enjoy a poly relationship. - And just so adult, by the way. - Thank you, I try to be really adult. - It's really adult, it's a hard thing about before you're like a full adult, but a really big good adult thing is when you're like, I'm not gonna let my perception of what I should be feeling about this thing, change how I am experienced. - It was kind of a really good exercise in that in being like kind of everyday taking time or trying to be like, this is good, right? I mean, yeah. And then what was really validating was like, every single time you tell a friend about it, they sort of make like the most horrified face in the world, they're like, (laughing) - Oh yeah. - But then having those friends then like, meet him, hang out with all of us, hang out with his husband, go over to their house, whatever, and being like, oh, immediately approved. Like, we got this, it's cool, it's great. - Yeah. - What was the best? - And they're the best, and it does help a lot of it. So yeah, it was like a, it wasn't like, it wasn't even like a bumpy thing I had to really get used to, I just kind of like enjoy it, and now it's like great. - Have you become somebody, do you, when you're not, or I haven't seen you be like this, but I'm curious, have you gone on the part of the poly journey yet where you have to tell monogamous people how restrictive monogamy is? - No, because I also don't like think of like, I don't say, I'm poly, I say like, I say my boyfriend, like, I don't think, it doesn't feel like an identity. Like if I broke up with Andy, I don't think I would be like, I, like also like, for one, I don't want another boyfriend. - So you're only dating Andy? - Here's what I mean, right, I always, this is my thing is I say, Andy's poly, I'm gullible, right? (laughing) I have one boyfriend, he has a boyfriend and a husband. - Yeah. - It's like, I don't, it doesn't feel like an identity to me. It doesn't feel like, I guess if like later on to the mind I met someone and really felt like, but I currently don't feel like I have the capacity of your time for another relationship or the desire for it. - Who does the time for one? - I know, exactly. - A lot of them. - Barely, barely. - Andy's superhuman. - Yeah, he really, it's something. So I think like that, yeah, I don't know, there's, I wouldn't like, if Andy and I were to break up, I wouldn't be like, well now I have to have my next thing also be poly, that's like not how it feels. - Yeah. - And I also, I never was someone, I was with someone for six years and we were open. I never felt like I needed to like, prostitutize that. Any time you need to prostitize something you're doing to another person, it's because you don't like what you're doing. - You think so. - Any time, not any time, but I think like, or it's like, I need you to do it because if you are doing this, like, like, I feel like it's why people like do the Christian, like really, like, prostitutize religion is 'cause like, if you're out there having fun doing all the things I'm not allowed to do, then like this sucks for me, but if I bring you into the religion or tell you you're going to hell or not, then it's okay, do you know what I mean? - Well, we like to be, we like, we like, commonality. - Commonality. - We really like that. So I think like, a lot of times when people are really assuing monogamy if they're into poly or open or whatever, is 'cause like, they can't see if they're like, if there was value in monogamy, then I would be missing out on that value, right? It's like, or it could just not be for you. - Yeah. - You know? - What's really funny about my situation is that I actively, my last relationship was open, and now that I'm not in an open relationship and my stuff doesn't say that, people assume I'm not open to it because of the way I joke on here. Totally, and that's hard. - Oh my goodness, I need to look into my jokes actually because I'm cock blocking myself with these fucking bits, but I'm open to open. - I don't think, yeah, you don't seem like someone who's that, like, you don't think like a prude to me, I would say that. - Depends on the day, so I'm sure, sure. - No, I don't think I'm a prude. I don't care. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I really am down for whatever. - Do you think it would, you would struggle if like you started to fall for a guy and he had a boyfriend or a husband? - You know, it's interesting. Some of the best sex I'm having right now is with a married guy, and I think the relationship is so beautiful, and I'm like very, very happy for them, and I don't think I could ever be his boyfriend actually, like, I think the situation you're in is so beautiful. I love, I love those two, and I love you, and I think it is actually amazing for the three of you. - I could only, I would also only ever do something like this if the other relationship seemed healthy and good. - Really strong. - Like that's like, it's not like a, when I'm hoping they break up, and like, (laughing) I think you'd only do it if I was like, I think this is Trumbler. You're like cruising out like a couple therapy offices. (laughing) - No, I just, I think the relationship, it seems like his marriage is really beautiful, and I'm like very happy for them, but I don't, I don't, yeah, I can't be, I don't wanna be like second on the call sheet, - Totally. - Basically. It doesn't excite me. I'm like, you have your beautiful relationship, we can have sex whenever we can have sex, and then I need to probably just keep searching for like my amazing marriage. - Yeah, probably, for totally. - I love when you tell, when someone talks about when something got, they sense when they shouldn't on a podcast, like, I don't know it can't be edited. - Yeah, I mean, I just like said it, and then it was like, well, it was out there, and it's like, there's an edit process, I didn't know that. - We edit nothing. - Okay, good to know. - No, I'm kidding, no, I'm kidding, we edit a lot. We edit a lot mostly for the guests. Oftentimes, if someone gets upset with me from something from the show, it's that I didn't think it was gonna be a problem. That's the disconnect. - Oh, okay. - It's not that I, 'cause you didn't realize there's something they'd be like insecure about, or like sensitive about. - Jake, I don't know what I say on here, and I don't know where it comes from. I black out on this podcast, I'm telling you, a guy, a guy message me yesterday, a guy that I sleep with in LA. He messaged me and was like, oh, well, not the shout out on the podcast, and I messaged back and I was like, baby, I'm so sorry. I don't know what I said, or what you're talking about. And he was like, oh, well, you said this, and it was innocuous, but I was like, I don't remember saying that. - I also think sometimes I have this theory that I think that I'm being more slight than I am. Like, I have a stand-up trick that I do about a guy I had sex with once, and it got filmed at South by Southwest and posted like by this account, and I reposted it within five minutes, the guy was like, LOL me, and I was like, oh, cool, cool, cool, cool. - I thought, I was like, I changed it up to details, I was like, obviously, he was like, this is about me and I can tell. - Yeah, I didn't know you were in that section. - I was like, okay. 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That would garner me discussing it on stage. Yeah, like nothing's happened. Yeah. Like do you like I find that so I'm like, how boring is your life that anything we just did in the last 45 minutes seems remarkable enough? Yeah. For us, for me to put it on stage in front of an audience of people to make them laugh. See, I'll do I'll talk about anything boring up there. I don't care. Sure. You don't know how to do anything interesting to become somebody I talk about. That no one safe in your circles. Not and it's not like it's not like a I make you don't have to do anything. I'll just be I'll find something. I'll find something uninteresting and I'm fine to wait to talk about it. Just at a boredom. There's something wrong with me. When you go out on stage, do you just talk do you have like that's right now? Or are you just like going like riffing on like what's happening that day? I have some stuff right now, but I end up like making up a lot when I like not making up, but I end up like stuff comes up while I'm up there and I go, oh, what about that? Oh, we'll share that. You know, and that's it. So then I'll say something and I forget to record all the time. So a lot of times I'll say something so fun and then forget it. That's I'm that's the main of my existence. Does that not make you want to fucking die? I did my hour at Bellhouse and I rift a full 10 minutes that I the whole time was going holy shit. This is so good. Forgot to record it. Can't remember any of it. Yeah. Same. And I've asked three people and they're like, I remember what you're talking about. It was so funny. I cannot tell you where you're talking about. Yeah. It's like it's if I if I never really make it it's because I forgot those 10 minutes. My greatest work was those 10 minutes. I feel that you've made it. No, I I'm doing well. Things are good. But I feel that you've made it. Thank you. That's very kind. I have a role that once you are like making it your job, you have to say you made it. You've made it. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's your job and people love you and you're great at it. Thank you. Do you feel that? Yeah. I mean, obviously there's like imposter syndrome at times and like I'm not at the point and I guess you do ever feel this way. It's like it like it feels like there's like a cliff like four months out of like what's after that? A little bit of like what the next job is going to be your gig is. But I've done been doing this long enough now that I know that like something else is going to come down the pike and like things are happening. So I do think I feel that. It took me a minute. I had really bad imposter syndrome for the first like three years of being full-time comedy. How would that come up? I think because I think because I came because I did improv before the pandemic like exclusively. It was like really hardcore UCB and then I did videos for a bit and then I did stand up and I got to kind of cut the line of stand up a little bit because I was successful online. Like I didn't have to come up through open mics that I felt like I was a bad standup comedian that was getting opportunities because of other things. Were you? I think I don't think I was the best at the beginning but I think I'm quite good now. And I think I was actually pretty good back then too because I knew how to perform on stage but I think I had to like officially pivot over to be like oh no I'm like a good standup comedian like a year and a half ago was when I finally felt it and felt confident. But I had to like do a lot of before I used to before I would go out on stage had to do a lot of like it's gonna be okay you got this you can do it and I'm like oh no I know how to do this yeah yeah I factually when I started I got attention I got attention from internet and stuff before I was as good at standup so that feeling you were talking about having I had it and it was correct yeah like I was going on stage for a sold out room a small sold out room of like you know like 90 people or something yeah and being like oh I'm not very good at this yet and all these people are here anyway and I was right yeah then I just got better so it eased over time. I definitely the thing I struggled with this was the thing I struggled with was I was being given I was able to do a good 10 pretty quickly the first time I got booked to do an hour I was not ready for an hour yeah and it was a lot of storytelling it was a lot of filling things and it was like now it's different now I have like a much I'm I understand how to like actually write jokes yeah but I feel like in the beginning it was like figuring out what is like my version of performing on stage and I was okay with it but I think I was I had to then eventually like move on from that feeling yeah yeah I'm still not the best stand up I could be because I I don't I don't like pound the pavement the way that I if I if I were getting up all the time and like really doing it and focusing I would be much better at it yeah I think I'm very good and I like it and I have no insecurity about it but I just like in general in my life I like kind of refuse to prioritize work to the level I would need to to be like truly great I think I'm the same way I kind of I'm kind of the same way across the board I kind of refuse to make my life worse for work yeah I also kind of know the kind of creative person I am and I'm not someone who's best work has come out of like hustling to the point of not being happy like it's like that's not where I get my best ideas that's not when I'm the funniest that's not when I'm fun to be around yeah so I like to have like a rich and full life and then just be funny sometimes like I could be at clubs every night doing spots if I wanted to be but I would also like to like see my friends and be out and like I'll get funny ideas for doing that yeah same I also look at like I could have written in the last couple of years I could have written like three more I could have finished like three more movies that probably would have been great I could like there's so many things I could have done and could be doing and I'm just like well yeah but all those times I like went on a trip or I like had dinner with my friends or I like I just am like yeah I don't want to I don't want to look back on my life and be like oh fuck I did the thing that everyone does like yeah every everyone that does like a 95-year-old interview like when they asked them what do you regret like I wish I worked less yeah but then when you're in it when you're like in your late 20s 30s you convince yourself that you're in a different circumstance we're like well for me I actually need to because I'm having a moment or whatever or I need to whatever yeah and it's like no it's still going to be the same thing you're still going to wish that you would have more fun I remember I worked really early on I had this I had this like development project with someone who was like the like one of the most famous people in the world at the time and I remember seeing him like actively fighting to like fine time to like go on vacation and spend time with his family and I was like early enough in my career where all I could think about was like trying to like you know book a movie sell a TV show get on a TV show and seeing someone who had like the biggest version of it and being like oh literally all this man wants is to like sit down with his family and I'm dinner and I was like oh I kind of don't ever want that yeah you know and also the level of fame where it was like they kind of couldn't go out to dinner like I was like oh I don't want any of this like I want to have a life that's full I want my and I want to feel like artistically fulfilled but I don't want it to take everything and it's easy also what when you're when you get to a certain level of success it is like oh yeah we could stay home and write all the time and be in meetings but like you're not going to have any friends or anything and that is going to suck and I think that's why you see like the really rich and successful comedians were all like so insane and miserable it's because like they don't have a way yeah yeah well and I think that's their response to like I I look at my future and I go there's a really good chance that I am not going to be necessarily financially secure in the future there's a really good chance I don't make this amount of money forever there's a really good chance that I regret doing some of the things that I like I look at the future and I go I could regret how I spent my money during these years like I am very kind of like frivolous with it like I spend my money not on like stuff for me I would say you're generous I don't think I think you should call yourself generous that's kind before you call yourself frivolous but the point being like I just don't really care I'm like okay well if we get to that point then I'll just like get a job again like totally I mean that's I've had that thought to where it's like there was this moment where I was released I like when I first started being a full-time comedian there would be times there was like really tight or I'd be really stressed and I was like I'm not going to die if I have to start bartending again yeah be fine it actually would be totally chill yeah be fine like it would like in a very genuine way and like I still sometimes like my friend runs a restaurant and he'll call me up and be like and be like hey like someone sick can you come like work behind the bar tonight or like we're host the restaurant and I go back and like okay this is like actually kind of fun like I like there's not this it making like you're I'm not running from this that other thing right you have to be so scared now I think that's like people who like psychopathically focus on output and making more and more and more and hoarding and making sure they don't give away too much or spend too much or whatever the that's their response to this acknowledgement like our response to the acknowledgement is being like yeah be fine if I work the job the way that most people alive do to survive totally and other people's response is to be like I can never lose this I have to build this and has to grow and grow and grow and the result is your fear of being like everyone else your fear of being like a regular working person just continues to isolate you from everybody else and so the benefit is you're rich and famous and you get to like travel on private jets and do huge sold out shows and whatever but the cost of it is that you're extremely lonely and you don't like have any substance in your life usually yeah and like and I think there's a true loss of like what is this for like what are you doing this for what do you like what are you gathering for like yeah which is I think why you see people like do shit for money we're like how could you want more money like you have so much but it's like but that's the only thing they have yeah yeah but some a friend yesterday asked me like what how like at what point do you think a person is taking too much like at what point do you think like when you think about like like I see that like Mark Zuckerberg has like a you know $650.
or a million dollar mega yacht or something. Or whatever the thing is, I mean, that's not the real number. Don't assume me, Mark, I have stuff going on. But when I see something like that, I'm like, well, that to me obviously is so far past the line of appropriate. Of course. But I'm like, where is the line? I actually, it was a really interesting question to me. I was like, I don't know the line. I know that I feel good about my place at the line. Totally. But that could be cope and that's fine. And my brain, I feel fine for whatever reason. But I do wonder what the line is. Yeah, I've never been rich in a way where I could tell you what the difference is between having $10 million and having $50 million. Like I don't really understand. I genuinely don't understand what that means. So I can't tell you. But I know at some point, I feel like 50 feels too much. Like 50 million is too much. Like I feel like something having $10 million sounds like successful and like a lot of money. 50 sounds or like maybe 100 definitely is too much. I think. Yeah, $100 million feels like too much. Like 300, it's like you're there. Yeah. Okay. 400 max. Are you talking about me or other people? Exactly. Because those are really different. Because I would be good with it in generous. But like at some point, there's no way that you're spending it or that it has value or that you're doing anything. Like it is real at that point. Well, and it's also the problem with rich people is that the bounds of their imagination are endless when it comes to how much money they can make. But the bounds of their imagination when it comes to generosity have really fine edges. And so they go like, I'm extremely generous. Instead of paying this person who works for me $100,000, I pay them 110. Well, there's an interesting thing you see with really rich people, which is when you're that rich and you have that much access because of money, it reveals to you how like unbelievably unfair the system is. Because you see how ridiculous access you have and by nature of like working and being in the world, you have to talk with someone who's like, just in every conversation, we're like, oh yeah, we were thinking in Paris, but we can't afford it this year. So we're gonna go next year. And they have to sit in the room knowing like, well, I'm a multi-millionaire and everyone knows that. And so like this highlights this thing. So then when you do moments of generosity, I think in a lot of rich people's minds, it's like because they know that everyone's kind of looking at them being like, you have a fucked up amount of money, they're like, if I give amounts to cookie, they'll want the whole job, you know? Because it's, because there is this unspoken thing that we're not acknowledging of like, yeah, you actually probably could pay every person's rent in this room this month and literally feel a fart more than that. Like if you have $90 million and you're in a room of 200 people, you could probably pay everyone's thing for a while. For, and not even feel a difference. Just be like, literally do like Oprah, everyone gets a car. Like, truly, and so then it becomes this thing of like the only reason you're not doing that is because like you don't want to, which is allowed. It's fine. It's not sustainable if you did it all the time, but I think that is the fear where then it's like no generosity. And then you hear the crazy stories about like people who go, like people, you know, who we know who go on the road and open for like, really rich people and they're like super stingy or stuff like that. I think there's, that's where that come, has to come from. - Well, and also because you're scared, you're acknowledging, everyone in that room is acknowledging the same thing, which is that we live in an unfair society that refuses to take care of each other in an appropriate way. And yeah, the person with $90 million is like, well, if I behave like that all the time, I'll end up just like them again. And it's like, right, so you acknowledge that being like them is bad. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So then what are we gonna do about that? - Totally. - Like is the plan just, that's what I think about with like, that I've been really getting in some doom reading and viewing about AI. And I'm like, and I did do, and you have to pull out. - You have to pull out. I actually told these guys the other night. I was like, I heard a couple quotes in an AI documentary recently that if I were to say them in the room right now, it would kill the vibe of the entire night. - I heard one recently so bad that I actually stood up and started walking on the room. - Yeah. - Like basically put the phone down and started walking. - I was walking. - I was like, it was like an interview when a woman said something and I put the phone down. I stood up and I just started walking and breathing. - I really got scared for a second, you were gonna say it. And I was like, actually just for me, you can't say it today. - No, I can't say right now. I can't say it on the pod, it's too upsetting. - I was watching a documentary about AI and something was said that I am, I was alone. So this is no performance. Not kidding alone by myself watching on my couch. The thing was said, I picked up the remote, turned off the TV and just sat for about 12 minutes. - Yeah. - No phone. - I will say what I've been taking comfort in is now, there is a new kind of wave of theirs and this is so fucked up into pressing in its own way. But the deluge of this AI is gonna get us all whatever. Is a business ploy because it makes AI look more powerful for AI companies. Like they are funding this narrative. And also it's like a way for them on the back end to get government's sanctions on them put in place to actually protect them. - To protect their IP and their-- - Without them having to admit that it's not as good as it is right now. And so they're building up this narrative that like it could kill us all right now. Where it's like not actually the case. So like some of this is fake, but also some of it could totally be real. 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my one friend Holly still brings it up. Like, remember when you had to be Vegas, vegan for three months, and it ruined our Vegas trip, and I'm like, (laughing) I'm like, yeah, she's actually really annoying me and didn't get to eat a lot of restaurants. - Yeah, yeah. - I was vegan for two and a half hours the other night, and it was awful. - It was truly brutal. And I like, think that they're right. I think it's totally responsible to be eating meat at this point, but it's like, I don't know. Like, I'm not in control of stuff. Like, I have to be able to have a little bit of fun. - No, it's literally one of those things. I had dinner with someone not too long ago, who's vegan, and he was kind of, he was like, I don't want to do the thing. 'Cause I asked him about it, and he was like, I don't want to do the thing, and I was like, no, do the thing, I want to hear it. And he like said all the, and I was like, yeah, literally, you're right, I'm just not that strong. Like, I just like, yeah, no, you're right. - At the end of the day. - I should totally be vegan, but I had a vegan pet to you, and guess what? I, Wendy's was staring me in the fucking eyes on DoorDash after that. - Also, I, like, not to get graphic, this was years ago, my ex and I went to a vegan restaurant once for Valentine's Day. I woke up on the ceiling. Like, I was so bloated, I was literally, like, kidding, I can't be digesting food like that. Even vegetarian, the guy I dated before Andy, which was like a year ago, was vegetarian, and I remember kind of being like, I don't know if this is gonna work for me. - Yeah, 'cause if we can't split, if we can't split some chicken nuggets, I don't really know what we're doing. - Well, because I'ma shares these everything at the restaurant to the guy, and when we have to like, now factor in like three, like, that gets hard for me. - I considered a deep insult to myself, to the restaurant and the farmers. If there's a stake on the menu and we don't order it, I consider that genuinely disrespectful. - You have to go to dinner, I really didn't go to dinner. - We need to go to dinner. - 'Cause I wanna stake. I'm actually going, I think this week, I'm going to eat Cavalini 'cause you said it was good. - Oh, bitch, it's the, you're gonna be, I hope it's as wonderful if not more as it was when I went. It's so good. - I'm excited. - Yeah, I'm going with a rich person, so they'll be paying. - That's awesome. - Which means I'm ordering crazy girl. - It's so good. - And I'm taking stuff home as well. - Yeah, and you should. The only time in my life where I dish hit the table, I took one bite and this, I was a server, was like, it's happened to be still with the table. And I went, can we get another one of these right now? (laughing) - Yeah, I love you. I love the way you move through the world. - Yeah. - I like, you should see Lee's and I when we go out together 'cause we really sort of, I think, are both indulgent in the same way. - I've been out with the two of you, haven't I? - At the same time. - Have we not been out at the same time? - Maybe we were just talking about you a bunch when we went to the restaurant. And I love, to know I'm being talked about in a positive way. - What are you being talked about? - Yeah. - People love you. - People love you. - People really love you. People talk very, don't turn their back on me. People are very nice about you behind your back. - That is really meaningful to me. - You've never heard a negative word. - Wow. - And I look. (laughing) - You're my search. - You're digging. - I try, I go take Cornell's a little, right? And they go, no. And I go, okay, fine. - Well, you and I have been sharing girls for a long time. People back, we've had a lot of Michi, Michi's, that we've been out. - Yeah, a lot of women in our lives. - Carly, Holmes, a lot of people in our lives. - This is Ruby, where he's a Krista. - Ruby. - That list goes on. - I mean, yeah, we have a lot of, we have similar tastes. And I think it's a sick individual. - It needs to be at the fucking level. - The government needs to do something about Ruby Kester. - I don't want them to know about her yet. - No, because once they find out, they're gonna stop her. - Yeah. - And I want her to keep going for at least a little bit. - I want her to keep going for a little while longer. - Yeah, she's a real problem. - Yeah, but she's like a good problem. She's like one, I like that. - She's my problem. - Yeah, yeah. - She's a real problem, but she's my problem. - No, I love that girl. - It's a sad thing. - And so are you, by the way. - Well, thank you. - I'm sorry. - Why are you so funny? What happened to you? - I think like parents, like divorce parents, also gay and moved from the suburbs to the middle of the woods. - Yeah. - I think it was like those, Joe. - Divorce parents, kids who went through this, it seems to be such a big deal to you guys. What happened? - I think it's like a, I think it's. - Sorry, I'm trying to be a good interviewer. - You're totally total. - What happened? - Why did that upset you so? (laughing) - See, my parents were never together. So sometimes I will be honest, I totally get it. I mean, that probably was really upsetting to you. But there are people who well into their 40s are like my parents divorced. And I'm like, wow, what happened there? - I mean, I'm not like that. - You're not. - I'm specifically in the way where it makes you be funny is I think it is like, because the people whose parents are still together, which by the way, I can smell them a mile away. - Oh yeah. - They stay together. - If you have a funny family group chat, I can scope your ass from a fucking football field's distance. - We just actually go on a run together before every holiday, bury yourself. I can. - I was in the group chat with my mom and dad and cousins today. Okay, so we have a lot that we don't relate on. - It's so fucked up. - Yeah. - It's so fucked up. And like, but, because people love, people with so many parents love to go, well, my parents were together, but they really should be getting divorced. And it's like, that's not the same. - Stop it. - Stop it. - Because I think it's specifically the thing of as a child having to go between two different homes where there's like a different base reality of like, even just reality, like what they think happened in the marriage, but also like what is acceptable rules, what is acceptable behavior is, and then you bring in like step parents and stuff, it really makes you have to like think on your feet in a way that I think lends itself to comedy. Because it's also like, you're just always wanting to make a situation better. - Yeah. - And so you learn how to make things funny, pretty quickly, at least in my experience. - No, I agree. I think that is one of the funniest. Like, I think, to the extent that I think I'm funny, I think the reason is because I had, I, from a very early age, had to develop a very quick and intense understanding of what the adults around me needed. - Exactly. - And I'm like, that is funny because you understand what you, you look at what everyone wants and you start to get an understanding of like, oh, you find this funny, you find this funny. - Yeah. - If I say this this way, you'll understand it. Like, you get a really good sense of point of everyone's point of view. - Yep. - So your own has to become very sharp very quickly. - Yeah, and then I think that there's, there was another like second layer to it when I got a little bit older, where things that were so dramatic and serious growing up, suddenly I was like, what? - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like, realizing, like, I don't know, like when I started to be able to make fun of my dad for cheating on my mom. Like, that was like a thing where I was like, oh, I can like this thing that felt untouched. When you start to realize that like, you can, things that are untouchable, you can start to like flip and make fun of and make jokes about, then you really start to like, fly, you know? - Yeah. That was a big breakthrough for me and my dad. - When you, when you can roast them. - Yeah. - That's when it's the fucking best. - Like growing up, I was like, obviously we can't talk about like his alcoholism and hoarding. That would be fucked up. And then once it was like, we could make jokes about it. I was like, this is okay. I like this guy. And actually, that also teaches you how to make jokes about something without being cruel about the thing. - Exactly. Like when learning like to toe that line, that's like the, that's when it gets really fun. And you fucked up family is really good for that. - It's, it's tough. I think sometimes when I feel disconnected from new people or strangers or an audience member or something, I'm like, oh, you come from a healthy family. You're not comfortable being poked fun out. Or like, you, you take things very personally. - Yeah. - And I'm like, oh, that's our disconnect. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think that I'm, obviously I don't think that I'm wrong. I'm having a blast. But I'm like, that's, that's our disconnect. As you were raised in like a healthy, like two-parent household or something. - Totally. - Totally sensitive. - That also I think is a regional thing too because I'm sorry if you grew up in the Northeast. Like you are getting flamed by your family at all times. Like a new England, like new, like especially, I don't know, coming from Rhode Island, like I had no sense of like fashion growing up because if you were like a funny shirt, they'd be like, whoa, they were actually coming down the stairs. Like, just saying, you couldn't do anything, you couldn't do anything like sort of quirky or like the entire family was like, wow, Jake thinks he's really doing something today. - Yeah. - Also, can I say, you thought you did something as an insult, like as a popular internet insult is one of my least favorite things because I'm like, - Yeah, he did. - Yes. Yeah, that's why I did that. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't like that. When they say that, someone's wearing something flamboyant and they're like, he really thought he pulled a fit. It's like, well, yes, he did. - Well, because the antithesis is like, what you tried for nothing. - Right. - Congratulations. You succeeded again and again. - Yeah, yeah. - You thought you were going to be beloved. (laughing) - Oh, you thought we would be kind to you and be charmed by that. Well, yes, I was hoping. - No, you have to bring back being really, actually, really taking someone down in a way that hurts. - Specific. - Right, I mean, I think about all the time, the time I'll, one of my most brutal takedowns of my life, I back to school shopping when year. It was the year that I, like gay kids everywhere, I thought the thing that was going to save them was wearing a suit vest over a white t-shirt. Do you remember this sort of era? - So I know that was happening to people in other parts of the country. So that was really, and I was in a gap on my hands and knees begging like a dog for my mom to get me this vest. And she was like, no, you will not wear it. And I was like, I'll medically die if I don't get the vest. Like, finally, she gets me the vest. - Trying to prove that you're straight by begging for a vest. - Oh, like literally, like dying for the vest. And I finally, so I get the vest and I was like, well, you know I'm wearing it first day of school. Like this thing, like I'm doing jeans, white t-shirt, the suit vest, like the waistcoat. I'm gonna rip it, it's gonna be, mind you. Again, we're over mine, right? So it's not really like people are throwing fits outside of like a car heart. And I walked into school, I walked into school. I got halfway down the hallway. And this kid's stonty yelled, all the way down the hallway, a boo! Like the monkey from a ladder. (laughing) - Everyone looked, everyone laughed, everyone was justified. - Yeah. - I slinked it off, I put it in my locker. (laughing) And it lived in my locker for the calendar school year. Like, it lived my locker the entire school year. And my mom was like, where was that vest that you made me buy? And I was like, I lost it. - Yeah, it was taken, it was taken for me by force. It was taken, yeah, there was a storm, it flew off my body. (laughing) And that was the last time I didn't try anything for a long time. - Dude, I'm certain that I've told this on here before, but I'll tell you just so I, because I don't know if I've told you. - No, and I wanna hear it. - I remember, we were extremely poor. And my mom would only ever get us like thrifted stuff. And I was so, as a kid, I was so fucking mad. Because I was like, oh, the other kids have name, brand stuff. So she, heartbreaking, she would try to like name, she would try to thrift things.
things that had the name right on. This poor woman, God bless her. She got me to this gap sweater, and I can't remember in this moment if it was newer thrifted, but it looked really cute, and it was gap, and you know, gap had it on the chest, and I liked stuff like that as a poor kid, 'cause I was like, "Look, see you guys." - I think you guys, you're gonna say I'm gonna vomit. - So, I was so excited to wear it. I wore it to the bus stop, and the bus stop was like three blocks away from my house. So like, once I got there, I kind of couldn't go back because it was too much time. I was at the bus stop. I was so proud and excited to wear my gap sweater to prove that we weren't so poor, and this older kid at the bus stop, this older kid at the bus stop was like, "Really nice sweater?" And I was like, "Thank you." I didn't realize that you could boys, someone like that. - I thought of you said to me like that, you were being nice. - That's so bad. - And I was like, "Really nice sweater?" And I was like, "Thank you." And he was like, "You know what? "Gabsy and Sword, don't you?" And I go, "I don't." He goes, "Gay asked people." And I was like, "You can't." - That's it. (laughing) But you can't do that. You said you liked it. - I was, it was like he invented a type of bullying in front of me that I didn't even know was possible. - Oh, no. - I was heartbroken. - Round my parts, it was gay and proud. - Well, whatever. - And to whatever is the first child that created that, you will rot in hell if you were going to hell when you got. - The pain you caused, you are the Oppenheimer of bullying. - Like, whoever, like the kid who came up with calling it, "Gay and Proud" or "Gay asked people." - Atomic bomb. - Do you, do you create the atomic bomb for the cross-America? - Yeah. - It's still going on. Like, they don't sell this. They stop selling this world. I think because no one would buy them because of that. Like this one, whoever kid came up with that, you will go to hell. And there's no fixed. I don't care if you cure fucking cancer and AIDS. You do a combo, one shot. - Doesn't matter. - Hell for, hell for gay and proud. It is unbelievable the trauma you caused. - Sometimes when I remember that moment in the middle of a random day in my adult life, I almost fall to my knees. - Yeah, it hurts so bad. - I mean, the best bullying is, 'cause like the, your hardest bully as a child are so, like there's no, like they will, I used to tell this in at my old hour, but the first time I ever, the first time I ever, I used to bully a girl all the time. - Okay. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry to just say. - I used to bully a girl all the time. - I used to bully a girl all the time because her parents loved each other and my parents did it. - Of course, it's always about you. - And so I really mean to her all the time. And so, and then one time in front of the whole class, she went, you know, Jake, I really think it's time you go to the maternity store 'cause your milk came in. And I was a titty boy. - Do you know what's even crazier? There's a non-zero chance that she workshopped that with some like loved ones in her life. - I have to tell you, here's what's fucking, yeah. She must have, 'cause here's like, this kid won't leave me alone in there and like a cool older cousin was like, do this, I swear to God, we were in like the fifth grade. - Yeah, like she was like nine. - No, it was given, it came from a higher power. - Yeah, and she spoke to someone, that got in case from under the couch and pulled that one out. I was like, so this is what you're doing. The next time he bothers you, like, she showed them a picture in there. - And I remember it was in music class and the teacher hadn't walked in the room. So she said it and everyone was like, oh, and I, every, my body chemically changed. And then this teacher came in not knowing. I was like, okay, start to sing the songs. And I had to go through all of music class, like her not knowing that I had just been like bullied within an inch of my life. But also like, deservedly so. Like I tortured this girl for years. - It was so bad, dude. - I had to memory the other day of like, there was one, there was one. A lot of my problems in like grade school came from like genuinely just like not being able to talk. Like the times where we were like forced to be silent, I was like, this is prison, this is torture. I am in Guantanamo Bay. (laughing) Like I am being treated so horribly to not be able to talk is like the worst thing that would ever happen to a kid like me. They should have had a special class that was just called talking for me. (laughing) - And they didn't. - Yeah. - I remember there was a rule in this teacher's class that her husband was the football coach and I didn't like him either. So this couple really had a reign over my life for a couple of years. And this teacher, there was a rule that you couldn't have any like MP3 players or anything, which is a good rule actually. But I was doing work and I had finished it and I started with seeing in my MP3 player, like with headphones. And I remember Corbin. I will blur his last name, actually that was mean. He didn't do anything wrong. But I heard him behind me talking to her and he goes, "Why does Caleb get to listen to an MP3 player "it's against the rules? "I want to listen to mine." And the teacher just so, so exasperated goes, "Corbin, if it keeps him quiet, I really don't care." - That's awesome. - And I was like, period. - Period. - Like a part of me, I thought about being offended and then I was like, "Actually, bet. "I love that." - That's awesome. (laughing) I'm getting to do exactly what I want. - That's really awesome. - I loved it. I was like, "You know what? "Yeah, first of all, fuck you. "Corbin, you're a snitch and a snake." And second of all, shout out to the teacher. - Yeah, I love it. She was like, we've come to, she's like, she's definitely this point. That rule has been vetoed for you. - Yeah, yeah. She was like, "If he's not talking for literally "the length of one JoJo song." - Totally. - We're cool with it. - Wait, you know, it's a school memory and I understand we've foregone every segment we're supposed to do because we've been talking too much. Don't care. This actually ties in what we were talking about about working too hard, like to not have a good life. I had, I used to, I was like a pretty good student in school, but like I was like kind of one of those students that like, I didn't work hard. So I wasn't ever gonna be like valedictorian, but I would get like pretty good grades by like just kind of skating. - Yeah. - And there were like a few overachievers that were like very intense in my school and one of them I had Spanish class with and it used to drive me nuts because she would, the homework would be like, write a paragraph in Spanish and she would come back and be like, "Sorry, I just wanted to make sure I did a good job "so I did four pages." And then like, she'd get an A and we'd all get like, A minuses or Bs because like, she did better. Like, she would like, fuck up the curve or whatever. And it would like drive me nuts. And one time in Spanish class, you'll have to believe her name. But one time in Spanish class, actually, I'm not gonna, I don't know, whatever. She goes, she goes, oh no, I will have to stand in. But she was, she did it again. Like the assignment was like a paragraph and she was like, "Sorry, I did three pages. "I just wanted to be really thorough." And I went, "Oh great, did three pages again, "so we're all gonna get Bs because of that." And she went, "Sorry, that I just wanted to do a good job, Jake." And something, I channeled. And I turned to her and I went, has it ever occurred to you years from now when I look back on high school? I'll have friends and memories and you'll have a report card. Jake. Jake Cornell. And a girl behind me who, because I'm from Vermont, was dead-ass named Rainbow, went, Jake. (all laughing) Yeah, I had, I really understand the moment you were in 'cause I did some, I did some of the like, uptight Christian kids very dirty in that way. Totally. It's similar, similar tone where I was like, "I am gonna have a really fun life "and you're gonna have an extremely boring one "and I want you to sit with that." Yeah. Like it really bothered me. I was like, "You're being so fucking weird. "Why are you Republican when we're 16?" Yeah, well it's the same thing. I think even I have a similar way. It's like if someone's low grade mean to us for over like a long period of time, I'm gonna be like high grade mean for 20 seconds one time. Totally. And that's gonna feel better. That's gonna feel way better 'cause I get to enjoy my days. A hundred. This one moment I get to tap in with the devil. Yeah. And when you're, and it does feel good to be bad sometimes. It feels so good to be bad sometimes. Sometimes the best thing you can be is bad. There's a bit. (laughing) I need to say, the funny thing is that you do when you say clip it, it's never something compelling. Oh, no. Yeah, I always say clip it after something that truly sucks. (laughing) I'll say something so uncompelling and I'm interested in I'll be able to run it. (laughing) That's never been interesting any time I've ever done that. Oh God, there was something we talked about earlier that I wanna cut and I can't remember what it was. You can read that in though. (laughing) It was something you said. No, certainly something I said. Jake, what's so true to you? I think we all need to be going to places less. We're less places. And we all need to be going to less places. It's a lot more. I think that we're currently and I'm seeing people and like we travel for work, it's a little different. But like I'm seeing people go to like 15 destinations in a summer in a different restaurant every day. Guys, we need to be regular places. Your life is gonna be better. You found two restaurants you like with your friends. Go there all the time. Yeah. We don't need to be collecting every experience like Pokemon cards. Like you can build relationships with places. I think like social media has made us all think that we need to be doing like a million different places. Like go on the same vacation every year. Get to know the people there. Like build relationships. I think we're all running around too much. Yeah, I really agree with this on some level. I do, I want new places. But also when I go to a place I've been to before, like I was traveling with someone recently that we were going to the same city we'd already been to. And I was like, oh, let's go to that restaurant. We loved it. And the last time I'm like, yeah, that's why I like to go back. I enjoyed the experience. I don't understand this version. It's like, I always say this. It pisses me off when someone's like, what do you want for dinner? I'm like, let's do the Mexican. And they're like, well, I had Mexican last night. I'm like, so what do you think happens in Mexico? Right. (laughing) It's the thing you can do to an international restaurant. That drives me the fuck nuts. Like sometimes I'll have sushi for lunch and be like, I'm gonna do sushi for dinner. Like I don't get that mentality. And I think people always like, oh my, 'cause I go to restaurants a lot. I used to work in restaurants and sometimes I'm still talking to someone that'd be like, I wanna be a regular somewhere. And I'm like, have you ever gone to a restaurant three times? And they're like, why would I do that? Like, so do you see the distance? Right. There's a really easy, fillable gap in between what you're saying you want and what you're doing. It's like quite truly. It's like, go somewhere often. Don't be an asshole. Yeah. You will become a regular. God, being a regular somewhere is the best. It's the coolest thing ever. It's the most important thing in life. And you really don't have to, I think sometimes too many talk about being a regular somewhere people imagine that you have to spend a fuck ton of money or something. It's like pick a bar, have one drink, hang out, be a fine time, tip decently, like tip well to decent. One of the biggest accomplishments I've ever had in my regular journey is that there was a wine bar by my apartment that was too fancy to have diet coke. And I complained enough, every time I went in, I was like, I wanna come in here and read my book and bye.
I wanted to get I'd have like an oyster plate. I was like I'm gonna get oysters I'm always gonna tip like 300% for the eye my sat here totally I you guys have to get Diet Coke It's out of control. Yeah, and they're like we can't put Diet Coke on the menu chef won't let us and I'm like chef needs to come out Here and speak to my face. Yeah about Diet Coke like chef doesn't even control the drink chef is in the kitchen And eventually I came in and they were like they're like one second and they like went under the bar And they don't serve it but they gave me a diet so I was like that's what that's that's what I deserve Yeah, I come in here. I'm a delight. I know everyone's name. I tip well That's like and that's the fucking chick and it's like and also you want to talk about a dating hack You'll never look cool when you take when you take the person you're seeing on a date and you're a regular somewhere and like they Well, you gotta be careful with that. Well, you it's you got it. I'm talking once you're like in Not first dates not second, but like I've taken some I've taken some second dates to regular spots to impress and I've paid a price Yeah, you can't be doing that. Yeah, cuz you do look really cool and then they want to go there. Yeah They know it's like we're okay several weeks from now. We're both or or it's as the other thing where you are The second day is the day where you realizing you actually don't fuck with them And now you have to telepathically communicate to the staff that you were relationship with like I don't like him either On the date you're being like I hate this like that that geometry gets really tough Yeah, yeah, they're like another drink for you guys. You're like the check. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they check Hill pack and they're like it's just it's hard Yeah, you have to let them know because you also don't want them to get attached It's kind of like if you have kids as a single parent You can't bring a guy around too soon. No. Yes. Yes, then they'll start forming attachments and you're like this guy's not I love him. Yeah. No, he's not coming back around a lot. Yeah, but no, I think people need to invest more in Going to places regularly fewer places more fewer places more. I like this I support this and I feel and also I feel that way with vacations like to your point like Like going to like the same obviously that people go to like fire island and probably like do that repeat all the time But like I think with other like go if you have like a trip that you did with your friends once and it was like awesome do it again. Yeah Well new new is such an addicting thing and it's a problem This is like kind of my point new is a problem because I'm like I look at people like I I'm like what are you chasing right? Like I understand the idea like wine to see new places But a lot of these places you're going especially feel like beach resort towns or like whatever It's like there's not that much right like unless you're like doing true Apological like you're going in and going to the museums and seeing the history then like all you can to shame me on that But like if you're just going to like hang out in a beautiful place and you found a beautiful place that you liked go back See this is actually a message I need to hear though because when I say new is a problem. I mean for Caleb Okay, I think it's also a societal problem, but Caleb has a problem with new is for sure. Okay, new. I love new is so good Do you think in like across all like are we talking like restaurants boys travel? Yeah, yeah, I love new and old can actually get so boring So new is exciting because it's unknown but old familiar Yeah, I agree with your take and I'm actually wanting to get more there and I've worked on it and got you have to do a mix You have to do a mix, but I think people are completely un-unvaluing old Yeah, and you need old and I think probably the thing is for you and I need to next like we get old from our friends Cuz like we don't obviously we're always open to new friends, but like we're sticking with the friends we have like we're really good But we have like friend relationships that are like long and deep. Yeah, so like that can that we get like the old scratch from that But like do it in other places too. I'm trying. I've gotten better. Yeah, I've gotten better But this is I mean this wine bar sounds like you did a good work there. This is a word that I needed to hear Yeah, I needed to hear your so true today. Thank you for bringing it. Yeah, I'm glad you liked it. Do I put a game? Yeah, I would love to I have a game for you. Do you know of it? It's the it's true false, right? That's correct Have you ever watched my podcast before be honest? Clips never a full episode. No, I think I did watch one of Lisa's full ones once when I was like I think I put a Lisa episode on like why I was cleaning or something. That's really sweet I wouldn't be offended by anything watching the clips is enough, but I watch a lot of the clips I've never watched a full episode of any podcast in my life I've only watched enough like if I'm going on someone's I'll watch or listen to enough to understand what I'm getting into I'm actually I meant to tell you this because I think I thought you'd appreciate this I'm currently in like a very active pivot to intentionally listening to less podcasts in more music good It's and I think it's like good for my brain. That's in the commentary. There's a couple albums that are really helping me right now That I've like finally gotten addicted to they're really really helping me. Oh, I can't wait to hear about them. Yeah, okay I'm gonna read you 15 statements Jake. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false All right, if you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars holy shit. Are you ready? Yeah, I'll show you has one time zone True false ESPN stands for entertainment and sports programming network True true the tallest person ever recorded was 9 foot 2 false false 8 11 connect for a first win on sale in 1950 False false 1974 John Deere was born in Jackson, Mississippi. He was born in my hometown of Rutland Vermont Yeah, he was born in Vermont Do you know I'm from Rutland? Okay, well There's so funny. There's no room in numerals for zero False true, oh the national animal of Scotland is a unicorn true true Ahorologists studies and repairs irrigation systems HIR H-O-R-O-L-O-G-I-S-T True It's false clocks and watches and who knows if I said that right? Sorry to the clocks and watches community RuPaul and Corey Baker are cousins Corey Booker sorry true. That is true. The University of Vermont's mascot is Rocky Catamount Is his name Rocky? It is a catamount. I'm gonna be fuck you for this. Uh, true false His name is Raleigh Oh Some of my friends have had sex with him That's awesome. Taskrabbit was originally called run my errand true true. Santo Domingo is the capital of the Dominican Republic True true. The Hartford current is the oldest newspaper in the US True true the square root of 144 is 22. It's two. It's 12 false. It's 12. Penaire bread started in Omaha No, it's the Salos bread company false St. Louis. How do you do? 11? Wow? Show embarrassing. I got Raleigh. I went there. I grabbed I have a diploma from there. Wow Raleigh cat. I'm really proud of you. That was an awesome showing in the true false segment Right before this episode I spilled a giant glass of water down my pants and you got here and I was just in my underwear That's something people need to know about this episode I don't think I clocked that it wasn't just short shorts until you set it. I do wear shorts that short So that's it. I mean, I get I you can never know you can never know if I get guys wearing shorts or underwear You can absolutely never know. It's impossible to say I came and he was in underwear in a shirt that said don't fuck me till I've had my kisses I was like don't fuck me till I've had my kisses is actually legendary I kind of want you to make that like merch for the pod. Everyone who's watching or listening just make me a deal Don't make that shirt. I really do think we're gonna make that one. Yes We like claim we're gonna do merch on this podcast a lot. I think I would love you I would buy that shirt in a second don't fuck me till I had my kisses I think it's so cute. It has to be a mug and it has to be a shirt I think it needs to feel like do you know horse mafia? What's that horse mafia is this page that I had to stop using because I learned it Was AI and I was actually just one woman going really crazy on design But horse mafia is this awesome page that like it's like happy Tuesday. Let's have joy Let's be grateful and let's tell each other hello when we see each other outside like it will be like butterflies and shit It's really awesome, it actually really improve my mental health for a number of years Then I had to leave them due to the AI, but it's something this Good morning, we think you will bring us to the summer season go bless your Tuesday. Happy fall and we thank you for waking us up to see the first day of Autumn we were so grateful for life happy Tuesday and it's a smiling scarecrow with a pumpkin Click on the rabbit. Fuck you think we're so happy. I wish they were made by somebody There's a phone number. I've oh fuck this one's really sad Wait, can I read this one? Yeah Wait, just something I think it'll be on there. I Fallen and cried. I've been angry and afraid, but even when I was hurting I knew God was by my side and he helped me to keep going no matter what keep going God has a plan for you I fallen and cried is just like a crazy opening line for this one That's awesome, but yeah, that's this is what I think divide but don't fucking do I've had my kisses should be yeah That's it is the comments on this side are fucking beautiful. Amen. Thank you, and then I need you God these are so special horse mafia is so special We'll put one of these on the screen so people know what I'm talking about. Yeah. No, but that would be that the vibe of that could be really good Like a beautiful sunrise and it just says don't fuck me don't fuck me till I've had my kisses It's like awesome and it also by the way of course don't fuck me till I've had my kisses There's obviously the literal translation which is like literally don't fuck me till I've had my kisses But then of course there's also the spiritual translation 100% which is like before you can take for me You got to give a little treat. There's also another connotation. Yeah, I was gonna say it's sort of like when you give a dog A really nice meal before you put it down One of my favorite things to think about Because it is such a cool thing to do for the dog You have to give him his kisses. You have to give a dog Don't fuck me to don't fuck me till I've had my kisses is it's not it's really more of a movement in a way of living It's a lifestyle. It's a it is so universal I think that like for me it's this will be a before and after where it's like before we talked about don't fuck me before I've had my kisses and after like I will think about this for now Don't fuck me till I've had my kisses is yeah, I think there was a time in my life before that and a time afterwards for sure And I think what it is is it's a it's a mindset of reciprocity and generosity I think for also merch we should do like what would Jesus do bracelets? But don't fuck me till I've had my kisses. Yeah exactly like the live strong like D. Yeah, the live strong We should so true podcast bring back the live strong bracelet. Can I tell you something fucking crazy? I saw a live strong in the wild I swear to God I was with a friend and I went live strong bracelet and they they were like no and I was like it's behind you turn And they were like mama a live strong bracelet behind you. No, mama a live strong bracelet behind you and they were like
There was a period of time in like middle school high school where if you were gonna have any sort of event You had to have one of those bracelets made. Oh a hundred. Where it was like there were all different kinds of colors I remember being on like a merch website and like eighth grade and being like we should get like pink camera ones It'd be ironic. Yeah, I know it was like well then they all had like it was also so funny Because it was like it took the nation over in such a way and it was for Lance Armstrong Antistachial cancer like it's such like a different like why did that take off? We can't ever know. No, we'll never know We can't ever know, but yeah, so true merch. They're always asking me to do merch that's the might some of the people that I work with You had no merch for the pod. We haven't had it in a long time. I just feel kind of bad I know people wanted but I like feel just kind of bad Promoting another thing. I'm like, would I really want people to do watching the show is plenty Sharing stuff is plenty going to see my movie if it comes out in theaters is plenty. I just feel like it's another thing Yeah, but you have to remember like they get a thing they want like they're not buying I don't think I think you're thinking of it as like they're buying it as like let me support Caleb I think people want a fucking shirt like and I think people listening to this want a shirt that says don't fuck me So I've had my kisses. My kisses is really actually like it's so good. No, I'm feeling like so moved and inspired Really good, because it really is like that. No, it's it's like my new saying it could be that should be it like honestly It's also like a really good like like scruff user name or like grinder user name I actually like I legit actually unfortunately think on my next tour I might have to become like one of those comics That's like you let me get my denim. It's like it's true. It's like don't fuck me till I've won Don't fuck me Like it's like a crazy You can break it up me like don't what Like you could really have some fun with the pacing of it. Oh my god They start people at like when you take your bow at the end people are throwing fizzles of Hershey kisses I say don't fuck me you say My kisses we do it like for a 10-minute straight Yeah, that's a beautiful life you only have to tour with 15 minutes of material because this crowdwork does 45 This is the 45-minute section. Yeah, I've like 15 minutes of material on like The the economy and the environment and then I do 45 minutes of don't fuck me till I've had my kisses Calling response right at Thunberg does this long presentation on the environment that you come out power point Yeah, and then I come out and do don't fuck me till I've had my kisses We should call the next tour don't fuck me till I've had my kisses. Yeah, it's so good. Oh, it's really good No, we're we're really maybe gonna do something with it you guys. It's huge. So no one make it. No one make it okay guys If you're watching listening don't steal this from me. Yeah, no rip off merch. I never asked if you guys here's the other thing is that like The pods are out like you could get the ball rolling on this right now and the merch could drop by the time this episode comes out That's true, and I don't move like that and neither does anyone who works for me The way the way and here's the thing Here's a chance kind of faintly saying what? No, but like here's the thing when I said as I said it I literally felt the energy of all four of you being like that's not what's gonna happen Yeah It starts from the top and I don't move like that. So it's the vibe that I said that we have an idea and we really sit on it I mean, we've been talking about going on tour again for two years You gotta go tour like it's I'm gonna go next year. We're gonna go next year. We're gonna have a lot of fun Yeah, get the merch going for that because that's a good shirt. Don't fuck me till I've had my kisses is so special and beautiful Wait, what was I thinking? You were saying we could get ahead of it. We haven't put the episode out yet Oh, why was gonna ask you have ever told you about the time my mom came to dinner with me wearing bootleg merch No, that's awesome my mom showed up to dinner with me. I she was already there drinking a beer and I walk up and she like puts the beer down And I see the shirt. It's a shirt. I've never seen before that says It's like a green hoodie with like red text a color palette I would never put out truly and it says Caleb here and came to my city and all I got was this shirt And I got such funny. I go. So where'd you get that? And she and she goes they gave it to me on Facebook and I go they served it to you on Facebook. Okay, and You bought it and she goes yeah, and I go where from she goes from Facebook And I go it wasn't from Facebook, but okay, and the identity is gone true and then I go I'm like, oh, did you buy other stuff and she goes I bought three or four things and I go okay So you bought out like the merch from whoever did the collection I don't know who did this but someone made like a hundred twenty dollars from my mom Funny, keep in mind if she wanted any of my actual merch all she had to do is ask we could have just sent it to her It gets my merch gets made in Kansas City. It's down the street It's like not a hard crazy crazy. I have a picture somewhere. I'll try to find it and put it in the episode We'll put it. We'll put right here a picture of Kelly wearing that shirt. I can't wait to see it She's really the coolest person who's ever lived your mom is really special. She's fucking rocks. Yeah, to show up to dinner with your son Wearing bootleg merch for him is like she's momming in a way that many people could never really really funny Anyway, my mom too. Hey shout out to your mom shout out hi mom. Hi Joe. Joe Shout out Jill. Did she have any nicknames? No, like she Jill like she's a very like just Joe. It's you. Yeah, just chill with a just chill just chill the day Jake we love you. Thank you for doing love you to tell people where they can find you. Oh, yeah, you can follow me at jkw Cornell And all my tour dates are on sale at jcornel.com We love you
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Missouri Republicans are attempting to re-enact a strict abortion ban, using deceptive language tied to anti-trans policies to manipulate voters.
The abortion ban is widely unpopular and has historically failed to stop abortions, only restricting access to safe medical care.
The push for the ban reflects a political strategy to exploit gender identity issues, masking their true intent to undermine reproductive rights.
The speaker expresses deep concern about the political manipulation and lack of respect for voters, especially those who support women’s health.
Personal anecdotes about nightlife, karaoke, and sexuality reveal a reflective exploration of identity, freedom, and boundaries in intimacy.
The conversation highlights the tension between public performance and private desire, emphasizing that people should not be shamed for personal choices.
The speaker questions societal norms around monogamy and polyamory, arguing that relationships should be fluid and based on mutual respect, not rigid labels.
There is a broader critique of wealth and power, with concerns about how extreme wealth fuels inequality and suppresses genuine generosity.
Summary:
The speaker begins by expressing strong opposition to Missouri’s renewed abortion ban, arguing that it is politically deceptive and rooted in anti-trans rhetoric rather than genuine policy. Despite its claims, such bans fail to prevent abortions and instead endanger women’s health by restricting access to safe, medical care. The speaker condemns the Republican strategy of framing reproductive rights as a gender identity issue, calling it manipulative and disrespectful of voter agency.
Transitioning into personal reflections, the speaker shares vivid anecdotes from a late-night karaoke experience and a visit to a strip club, where a moment of emotional resonance with a song—“Lips of an Angel”—becomes a symbolic touchpoint for understanding vulnerability and human connection. These stories explore themes of intimacy, personal boundaries, and the discomfort of societal judgment. The speaker critiques rigid frameworks around sexuality and relationships, advocating for fluidity, consent, and authenticity in personal connections.
They also reflect on the cultural pressures of monogamy and the moral implications of wealth, noting that extreme wealth often breeds isolation and a false sense of security. Ultimately, the narrative balances political activism with personal introspection, emphasizing that freedom—whether in politics or in intimate relationships—should be rooted in mutual respect, not fear or performance. The discussion ends with a call to awareness: people should be free to express themselves without shame, and society should recognize that personal boundaries are both valid and essential.
FAQs
The speaker believes the abortion amendment is being wrapped in anti-trans language to manipulate voters, and that it only restricts access to safe abortion and healthcare, not abortions themselves.
They believe Republicans know they can't win on abortion alone and are using anti-trans rhetoric to frame the issue in a way that appeals to voters who may not support abortion bans but are swayed by bias.
He recalls a night at a strip club in Kansas City where he witnessed a stripper perform the song, which left a strong emotional impression on him, and he now associates the song with that experience.
He believes that performing odd or unusual acts on stage is art and should be accepted, even if it's strange, and that people should not be shamed for such behavior, especially when it occurs in private.
He shares that he entered a polyamorous relationship during a cruise and found it positive, emphasizing that it doesn’t feel like a defined identity for him and that he values emotional connection over rigid relationship structures.
He believes that wealth beyond a certain point becomes excessive and potentially harmful, noting that affluent people often avoid generosity due to fear of being seen as wealthy or being judged.
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