Jacobs Fallout, Preseason Takeaways + Mailbag - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/31

Your fantasy football drafts are happening and that means it's time to remind people who the champ is slash was. Is it you? Head over to fantasychamps.com. They have everything you need like this freaking behemoth of a fantasy championship belt. Look, you can grab a trophy for your league or this belt and you can get yourself a ring. If you use that promo code free ring, guess what comes free with the trophy or belt? Check it out right now. Fantasychamps.com. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. No more breaking news as we start the show. Nothing else going on? Not yet. Okay. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Monday, August 31st, September nearly here. Kickoff nearly here. And a weekend, two weekends in a row where we have one, a ton of fantasy drafts taking place and two, a ton of fantasy news that can entirely. Disrupt the drafts. Yeah. But that's what we're here for. You know, what's a shame is that the good news isn't ever the news that like really rocks your draft. You don't ever go into like, oh my gosh, guys, this guy's good. We found out. No, I mean, technically speaking, if you were in an IDP league this weekend did contain that news. Oh, I guess that's true. I guess that's true. Because Aaron Donald decided to say, I'm back. That just doesn't happen. Dude. Doesn't happen on the offensive side. $20 million up to 30 million. How did they do that right before kickoff? I like the comment that you said, which is like, I hopefully this gives you that magical, amazing best defensive line ever, but they almost like never, the super team never works out. But I think I saw something where the last 20 teams that were favored by this wide of a margin, like they're, they're the clear favorites for the Superbowl. The last 20 times this has happened, they've gone. Oh, and 20, not that that's shocking. Cause the field will usually have it if you're betting on 31 out of 32 teams, but it doesn't ever like I, I genuinely, I mean, I'm a, I'm a Cardinals fan kind of, but they're not a serious organization. So I'm not the I'm, I'm like rooting for them to wreck the league. I just want, I sorry, everybody else, but I love the idea of those two guys just literally shutting out every team and it won't happen. It just, the NFL, there's two. There's so much parody injuries. I mean, you got to stay healthy and it's like asking the elder Statesman, Matthew Stafford, the elder Statesman, Devante Adams, uh, returning from the other Statesman and then miles Garrett. And you know, one of those guys goes down, it changes it. But um, it does this count as positive news? Uh, Zachary's reunion with the Eagles is on the table. Jason, not quite where you know, not Aaron Donald levels. No, that is nasty. That is, oh my gosh, is that nasty? Even like, uh, Dallas Goddard, that would be right. Yeah. That would actually be bad. Um, so much going on. We have a quick question of the day. Preseason takeaways. We have news and notes to cover, including our complete breakdown of a situation that we cannot provide every single answer for, but we'll have a lot of analysis for the Josh Jacobs situation. Oh boy. Uh, we'll get into mailbag questions on the show today. It is a huge week. A lot of drafts took place over the weekend. A lot more happened. We just got done with a live show here in Phoenix on Friday night, which wasn't just a live show, Andy. That was, that was a mega. It was out of control. Look at if you're watching on youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers. That was like an enshrinement ceremony. Oh my. Yeah. Jason surprised us with some shenanigans that I apparently almost ruined. Um, you and me both, man. Yeah. I mean, we, we, uh, well, I'll just let people watch it, but it's up. YouTube. You can watch the show humongous shout out to the 800 plus people that came out for that show. I met, I mean, we, we hung around as long as we could. We met tons of people with amazing stories, met people, multiple people that came from Canada, New York, Boston, Tennessee. Yep. Um, I didn't even get to talk to, uh, my, my family was there. All of our families were there. Um, met JD and Lewis. JD came from Texas, a double ambulance. He's a deputy who listened to the show throughout his entire recovery process. And, but those stories were throughout the night. I mean, we met so many amazing human beings and it, it just gave me so much energy for this season. I think people had a good time. I think Jason had the best time. I definitely did. And, um, you know, obviously our bold predictions will be right on the money. Of course. I had one friend who had, they're really just things that are going to happen. I had one friend who literally, so I said some good things about the bears and they're like, did you say that because of me? Yes. Yeah. That's the only answer you could say. Of course. That was all I was thinking. I stay up at night thinking. Um, so the bold predictions episode, an extra one this week on, on the YouTube for Saturday, Instagram.com slash fancy footballers on X. You can follow us individually at Andy Holloway at Jason Moore at FF hit man. And, uh, at the FF ballers for the show. But the quick question, we did have preseason football and we just wanted to throw like, what's one kind of reaction takeaway from this final week of preseason. I think there were a few, I mean, I, I have brought up and I know that I don't have to do it, but I've brought up the fact that Kyle pits in this offense for Atlanta, I think is going to be incredible. Um, Lee slow. I mean, I, I saw that play. I mean, that's a tight end. That's not Austin Eckler trying to run down the sideline. It's a tight end who used to be fast. I like that. You, I mean, Kyle, Kyle pits looks fine. I mean, he had a 37 yard run up the sideline and escape the defense. So it just, when you have Kyle pits is going to be great. I'm just telling you, it was more of a like young Kyle pits, but pre-injury Kyle pits houses that. And so it just kind of felt bad. Um, my, my takeaway I wanted to bring up was just that like Chris bell, wide receiver for the dolphins. I, Caleb Douglas got a little bit of attention. This offense gets a lot of negative attention for how bad it's going to be, but I think Chris bell, we got to see him. I think it's a very, very good thing for the dolphins offensive potential. This is a first round talent, Chris bell, wide receiver in for the final preseason game. You start to look at that offense. Thank you. I don't know if he's earned it yet, but thank you. And you say, well, I like Malik Willis. I love Devon HN. What you want from this offense is just to not be a bottom 10 offense. You know what I mean? Someone's got to do it though. And they, they might, they might be, but that is actually not true. That is actually not true. We always say that like the, Oh, it can't get worse. Someone's got it. Someone doesn't have to like, they can just be in the bottom 10. Oh, I mean, I thought you were saying someone has to step up for the dolphins. I think Chris bell being available to this team is a big deal. And when you look at what they had on offense last year, you're like, Oh, they have nobody, right? They got nobody. Well, they didn't. It's not like they had Tyree kill us here. You lost Jalen Waddle, but if you have a couple of rookies that can come in and step up, if you have Greg Dulcich, if you have a chant, if Malik Willis can run the football and keep them accountable, I still think they're going to surprise a little bit on office. I'm not talking about a top 10 team. I just mean middle of the pack means that a Chan can be a little safer than people think. Chris bell can be a little more interesting in redraft. That was one of my takeaways. It's awesome to see him out there. It's crazy to see him out there, how quick it progressed from like, you know, camp opens on the pop. It's not going to be ready. And then it's like, Oh, he's playing in preseason. Awesome to see a steal for them. It absolutely could be. Uh, I don't think I'm drafting him even with my last pick in, in a redraft league, but you're keeping an eye on him. I've got three rookies as well, that just little takeaways. One is that McKay lemon played. It's similar to Chris bell. It's like, Oh good. Now he didn't play well. He had like three catches for three yards, dropped the turn into an interception, plenty of bad, uh, publicity, but it was nice that he's healthy. He's on the field as a first round wide receiver. I'm far more confident that he will, if he's healthy, be worth a shot at a first round, at a late round redraft pick. Uh, the other ones, Xavier Thomas. Yeah, this is the, uh, four to eight wide receiver for the Chicago bears. He had a very short, sorry. No, I loved it. I he's tiny, right? Um, uh, he has only one 90, but I guess at four to eight, one 90. So he's a thick boy, but, uh, blazing speed. He showed it, uh, for the bears. I think it's not relevant to him, but it's relevant for Caleb Williams. You know, Andy's my guy, Caleb Williams, who he believes can, can have a breakout. It's always nice to have a fourth weapon in there that can, you know, completely, you know, burn the, the, the field. Uh, and then the last one I would say on a, on a less positive note, Cyrus Allen rookies had great drum beat through. out camp looked like he was playing exclusively with mahomes it did you saw he was playing behind worthy rice and taekwon thornton as a non-first round draft pick i'm more hesitant to draft those in redraft i still like the outlook in in dynasty for the potential there to step up but in a redraft i i don't know that he starts at 70 plus percent of snaps and if he if he doesn't which it looks like he's not going to then is irrelevant for the beginning of the season i mean if he does he's a super outlier oh you don't go from that's puka you don't go from a fifth round pick yeah other than puka i get it but the a fifth rounder to a week one starting type it it takes the course of the season for those types of players i'm just going to highlight the rookie running backs who um you know like uh uh emmett emmett in kansas city where uh demarcato had been running as the you know like uh emmett emmett emmett in kansas city where uh demarcato had been running as the the backup to kenneth walker for kind of what felt like the majority of of pre-season and training camp demarcato got waived emmett has looked fantastic on the field so he looks like he has like if you drafted him in your rookie drafts he looks like he's already the the true back he has he has some hilarious similarities to isaiah pacheco when he was at his best when you when you compare the way that those guys the way they run kind of a violent aggressive runner he looked good uh there were a couple of the backup running back situations that and it seems like pacheco in in detroit is all but not involved they're willing to go into the season with you know dan camel said i'm comfortable with the name of this player i've never heard of him oh yes sailors yeah but so so you got him sailor jerry i think is jacob sailor jacob sailors a sailor uh mike washington not only does he look like the direct insurance running back to to genti but he looks like a player who might actually get on the field uh the adam randall situation for baltimore is interesting because he was looking yeah he was looking very good rookie running back for rookie running back for the ravens but then they put him on the short term ir so he won't miss the first four weeks so it's just you know trying to get the landscape and uh oh crap the the colts running back his his name is escaping me it's seth mcgowan yes so mcgowan it looks like he is he's the insurance back for uh johnny taylor over dj giddens yes all right um by the way we are still in the midst of filling the megaloball 14 878 is the count as of uh 10 seconds ago more so there are draft spots available for each and every one of you the fourth through the eighth all of those days multiple draft spots free for every single foot go to megaloball.com if you want to play in that tournament i'm so excited for drafts i haven't really like we're in a slow draft right now uh that we're doing like a sleeper chop league um i am really looking forward to drafts and thank goodness based on the news we're about to get to that we have not drafted any of our main leagues yet can i can i talk about this i i posted so genti was two weeks ago the news where we didn't know what was wrong in the middle of people's drafts and then jacobs was the news this weekend which we're about to talk about so i i posted like just a good reminder to draft as late as you want i was met with a surprising amount of people who have weighed in and said that they that i am unbelievably wrong and the most exciting thing is to draft early and then get the news and like ride on the be able to mock people when people get hurt so here's here's why you're getting that andy 11 divided by 12 is 91 so 91 of people who did their draft are happy that they didn't get that landmine but that's dumb that's really objectively stupid i was so shocked they were like this is the worst advice ever draft early and then have the fun of the surprise like i think if you're in a hardcore league and that's how y'all like to handle the business yeah that's fine but we're talking to like a lot of real just casual players who we want them to have fun playing fantasy football you know what's not fun when your second round pick moments after you draft him you find out that they're like essentially that guy just did that yeah i took jacobs in the chop league so him and i are already on the block you're both shot yeah i thought that was surprising so let's talk news news and notes from around the league so the headline news that took place yesterday morning was that the nfl has placed packers running back josh jacobs on the commissioner's exempt list moments before that news broke we got word that the packers had traded for running back collab jason caleb johnson which that made so much more sense yeah as soon as the jacobs oh jace is just sitting covering his face so he can't he can't show this smile caleb johnson is your eyes giving you away uh he will be a depth edition behind an injury prone marshawn lloyd and nothing chris brooks he's a loser he is going to uh caleb johnson caleb johnson is a nothing loser burger you don't believe anything you're saying i i absolutely i know it i don't have to believe it you don't even believe it but i am just telling you man in a world where he redeems no pants no shirt are you no service i will be leaving i will be living birthday style you're down big aren't you you're down big listen here's the story with yeah and we we reacted very quickly yesterday the three of us updated udk rankings for marshawn lloyd for the entire packers for josh jacobs the nfl and and again this is not just i mean we do not know the outcome let me start correct there we do not know how long he'll be on the commissioner's exemplist we do not know what information the nfl became privy to to put him on the list we you know you can go to drew davenport and read everything that he has said what we know is this the charges came out against josh jacobs and they were reduced charges from the original arrest then the nfl went and put him on the commissioner's exemplist a few days later we said on this show that if this video became public and it was indicting of josh jacobs regardless of the charges the names of the charges anything of that nature he might never play a game of football again you , you know is it a coincidence that the nfl suspended him put him on or i should say sorry yes put him on the commissioner's list a few days later i don't think it's a coincidence i think that there's more information that they have from the investigation there have been players like julius peppers who were on the commissioner's exemplist for 47 days alvin camara for a shorter period of time there are also players that have been put on the commissioner's exemplist and they don't play football ever again they mike made the point like if he misses the year on the commissioner's exemplist he may start next year on a six game suspension and then you're older does anybody want you in the league there is a there is a i mean i i don't even want to say non-zero i feel like greater than 10 chance that jacobs never plays again what the living nightmare yes you took batman down i'm batman i'm so sorry we're talking about the most serious thing and then i turn around and jason moore is that a hall of fame there's a bust of jason moore if you didn't see the live show that's awesome he inducted himself into the hall of fame and then now replace batman on this wait why are you taking it oh he's putting his jacket on i know okay yeah the gold jacket had to go i'm sorry this should i had not seen it all right hall of famer i really should have not brought this up at this moment no no no it's good anyways let's continue on serious business um so jacobs i'm not giving you another day jacobs is on the commissioner's list we've seen we've seen players get put on it for a very short amount of time we've seen players put on it that essentially took the place of their suspension and like the time it was then okay this is time served the the minimum suspension in the nfl for a domestic violence situation is six games the case i'm we're just trying to lay out the facts the case was scheduled to be heard in court talking about jacobs in november so we according to davenport that's going to be irrelevant to the situation oh okay so so yeah i mean the i think what his belief is and what makes logical sense is that whatever this video that has not as of this recording yet hit the open market um the guess is that perhaps the nfl has seen it and they know what's coming and therefore they're getting ahead of it putting them on the the the exempt list if that video happens on the nfl it's going to be irrelevant to the it could be the the situation where we say people just don't want to deal with it he'll be gone this year he'll start the season suspended at an older age and be done so however on the other side so connor allen um put out a tweet just showing some of the commissioner's exempt list history uh ap got 15 it was on there for 15 games greg hardy 15 games ruben foster five cream hunt five games uh jabril pepper seven games so there is a wide range of outcomes here. I've also seen people say is Josh Jacobs worth a last round pick like is it even and i would say sure i i i think at that point we don't know enough right now and your last round picks are so low hit rates that should you you know that if josh allen josh jacobs plays football as a starting running back for the packers this year is going to be valuable yeah but then he's on your i mean how long is he gonna are you okay with josh jacobs taking real estate on your bench because you can't ir him at at least for right now while while we gather more information i am so we went in marshall lloyd is kind of in that rb 24 to 30 range right now in our rankings with plenty of variability based on jacobs availability uh he has first round talent he's got the ability he hasn't stayed healthy it's a good offense so you know people that were i mean i had i had a funny story from a friend who was in the middle of their draft when this news broke they saw my video that i released on our instagram just sharing my immediate thoughts they played it too loud from their seat and the next person in the draft the head of him drafted marshall lloyd right ahead of them in the draft so um yeah it's you know so yeah marshall lloyd is slotting in around uh like i i have him about running back 24 trying to figure it out the role is so incredibly valuable like if marshall lloyd is as good as the green bay packers hoped he was when they drafted him multiple years ago in the third round then i mean that's that's absurd like he will be awesome for fantasy football there's just it's it's a complete unknown everything everything with lloyd and jacobs is just how much risk are you willing to tolerate because we don't have you know what's funny is i saw and this was this was a couple weeks ago which is i think ironic the the timing obviously we don't know what the teams know well well ahead well in advance of us but a lot of the arguments i've made for jordan mason about going to the vertical wide zone and how it fits his play style some of that has happened with the packers as well they've been doing more of that wide zone look and their beat reporters are like i don't understand how josh jacobs fits into this because it's not his play style whereas marshall lloyd has been really excelling and can't put that caleb johnson also fits that style so i i do think the offense fits marshall lloyd if his meat can stay intact okay no don't say tender that's we we you know here's what i don't think the packers do i don't think that they add caleb johnson moments before this news comes down if they know the outcome of the news i don't think that they have enough if they thought that jacobs would just be off the list in a week i don't think you do agreed so there this is what you do you have to kind of break down the situation based on the evidence you have um and and see where it goes and that's where we're at with with jacobs and lloyd and chris brooks and caleb and ultimately i think that there was a there there are some that believe as i am one of them that this team was going to be a little bit more balanced use their wide receiver core that is now you know healthy and jordan love to me is sneaky i mean there are just he's a very very very good player but if you run the ball and you're number one in and you're 28th and passing you can't get the volume you need from jordan love if they're more balanced there's the potential for a big season from him the touchdowns as well my big issue with jordan love for fantasy football since he doesn't run is he's got to throw for 35 touchdowns he can but he doesn't because josh jacobs is so good around the goal line i actually changed some of these up to where i i bump tucker craft uh matthew golden and christian watson up in the touchdown department because i think he i think it makes sense like when you get in the red zone you're going to be throwing more than running without josh jacobs so it's good for love and good for some of those receiving options well and just a reminder three years ago jordan love was the quarterback five for fantasy football at just under 19 points per game then josh jacobs shows up for the past two years and it goes way down and part of jordan love's success in the in that season where he was the qb5 for rushing touchdowns like this was a part of what they did yeah he had a period of time that he played where he was coming off of an injury where you should not extrapolate anything in his rushing touchdowns and he was coming off of an injury where you should not extrapolate anything in his running totals for that season because he wasn't able to run they weren't allowing him to run he's an athletic guy he is um and i should add if it needs to be stated because i saw somebody dropped marshawn lloyd to sign caleb johnson don't do that no please understand that marshawn lloyd is far and away the back to roster there and then chris brooks is the next man up caleb is is depth it doesn't mean he won't have an opportunity i think it'll be brooks and caleb behind lloyd lloyd gets hurt that's the situation uh did you want to add yeah last thing because i think this is what people are really wanting to know is we talk about the round but i want to give some names to marshawn lloyd and ask are you drafting this person or marshawn lloyd yeah go on are you drafting um romandre stevenson or marshawn lloyd romandre romandre are you drafting tony pollard or marshawn lloyd are you drafting jadarian price price that's that's like right where he is that's close that's i think they're back to back in my rankings and that's really close i probably go lloyd based on what i think's going to happen but that's your risk aversion if you want to be safe with like production but not that level of upside go to yeah because it's the green bay packers running back the green bay packers starting running back can be a top 12 player if they get the work it's funny because every single team in that division that's the truth the only problem the vikings yep the lions yeah the bears and the packers great division that division's outrageous the biggest problem for marshawn lloyd is what if he gets the work how like yeah if you give him the work can you hold up all right we got to take a break and we'll get into some more news um some of it good some of it unfortunate as we seem to get this time of year so i'm going to law school i just signed up i uh registered online it will be a digital degree but i'm going uh keenan allen arrested on sunday morning charged with dwi and dwi endangering a person this will not affect keenan allen this year seems unlikely uh the legal situation will not be figured out until the end of the year uh that's via drew davenport as well he was also under 0.8 and not driving the vehicle he was in a parked vehicle it is still a dwi i'm not excusing it i'm just stating the situation the anticipation there from those that i've uh that are more knowledgeable and have completed their online legal degrees uh is that this will get pled down to something innocuous and go away aaron donald returning we talked about that sean tucker agreed to a one-year deal did not get cut this is so sad had a 3.5 million dollar deal and then they at the end of the training camp said you can have nothing or 2.5 this man deserves so much more than what the bucks are doing it's really kind of sad i mean he's is i don't know i don't agree because you don't i don't because he chose to sign with them before the season he did not have demand from other teams he could have found like what was he was tendered right he tendered all this meat and tendering i'm getting hungry he was he was tendered which means that they he didn't have a choice like and then they're like hmm well now that there's no jobs available yeah but he was tendered at what level i mean any team could have come out and i'm guessing three and a half million dollars no i'm talking about pick level oh yeah because there's a there's a pick compensation if someone comes and takes it i'm just saying a team could have come and saved him that's all it just stinks that the human had to be like like for instance let me put it this way how great would it be to go to matt the oh my gosh we want to cut your salary by 25 and and you get to keep working here but we just don't want to pay you as much could you imagine that because i would love it but i i don't think we do it yeah it's uh it's tough in the streets nfl running backs it's you know in the buccaneers defense maybe they got play from another depth running back and they you know you don't know what conversations took place in the preseason where they're like hey here's your 3.5 but fight for it i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know tons of roster cuts say goodbye everyone start waving right now and I'm gonna say names while you wave okay uh we'll love it see you Jaden Blue this this is interesting the Cowboys waved all of their backup running backs other than Malik Davis did you not have Davis as the two already I did I did but I okay I figured at least Mafa or Jaden Blue that's fair would hang around uh Demarcado waved by the Chiefs Jaleel McLaughlin waved by the Broncos yay Jonah Coleman uh Damian Pierce was waved by the Eagles um they also related Damian Pierce was with the Eagles yeah Greg Dortch left uh the Lions we thought maybe he'd have a role there Jalen Hyatt goodbye OBJ is a member of the Giants uh he's a member of the Giants and the player that had his number yes no longer I 100% notice Hyatt and those seem conspicuous here's a big one Zach Charbonnet Charbonnet will remain on the pup to start the season you're going to get Jadarian Price as the lead back mixing in with a heavy dose of Helani, this is a humongous opportunity for Jadarian Price to, quote, establish it. Yeah, I mean, we're going to see out the gate day one whether or not he is good enough to hold off an undrafted free agent who has touched the ball like 25 times in his career. I hope he is. He should be. I'm not too worried about Helani. I'm getting more and more bullish on just the opportunity around Jadarian Price. He wasn't my favorite prospect coming in. But, I mean, it's a layup of obvious upside. Jordan Tyson on IR to start the year. Tank Dell on IR to start the year. James Conner, Christian Kirk. The James Conner one going to the IR, I would imagine that is – I mean, you have to put him on there if he's hurt. But it's like the moves they have made where they waived Trey Benson injured and now Conner with this. Jeremiah Love with his ankle, probably good to go. Puka Nukua returned to practice on Sunday, was dealing with the hip flexor. Puka also was not placed on the commissioner's exempt list, which is noteworthy in light of kind of, you know, this was the time to do it. Todd Bowles reported that Emeka Ibuka, he's hopeful, will be ready for week one. I am at this level with Ibuka. This is a bummer. Because turf toe, for one, it takes longer than you think to get better from. Two, it can recur. Three, you don't produce at the same level as when you're not recovering from it. Four, he didn't play well through injuries last year. Yes, it would have been my four. Yeah. But I appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, you're right. All of those things, again, Chris Godwin is undrafted or late round. Pay attention to him. But I think they're – I mean, McMillan is hurt as well. Yeah. Uh-huh. I mean, it's right to say. Yeah. I got an opportunity. Yeah. I mean, Ted Hurst. Emeka Chainsaw. Yeah. I mean, the opportunity is there for Ted Hurst to start the year. We'll see how much they lean on the running game. And Luther Burden looks 100% according to Ben Johnson. Huzzah. That's great. Good news. You guys want to do some mailbag and see if we can answer some more questions? I feel like – Let's try. I feel like all we have is questions, Mike. Just a world of questions. Yep. Hopefully, we get some answers. Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Visit the site and click submit a question. If you have a question for the show, thefantasyfootballers.com. Dial the voicemail hotline 302-464-TFFB. We'll kick off today's mailbag with a voicemail. Hey, ballers. This is Jameson from good old Alabama. I was just wondering if the legendary Obi-Wan Dale Robinson could actually – He could actually be the wide receiver one in Tennessee this season over Tate. He is a Jedi after all. Thank you. Thank you, pillars. First of all – Alabama, man. Incredible call. Pretty good nickname. I didn't know if it was a bit at first. I think it was real. It was real. And could Wandale – Let's say the percentage chance we think Wandale could end up as the fantasy wide receiver one for the hopefully Carnell Tate-led Tennessee. Yeah. The fantasy titans. I have my percentage down. What do you guys think? I'm going 15. I go 35. Oh, higher. I wrote a three. Okay. Okay. I mean, it's a vast minority in any of our – I think a full PPR, I guess the odds change, but – I will say this. If he is the wide receiver one for that team, it's not – Things have gone terribly wrong. It's not going to be like, oh, so then Wandale is a great value and dominated. No. It's then that team – Is not the team that they were hoping to be. But there is absolutely a world where Wandale is useful for fantasy. Sure. Yeah. I think it's better. It's better. Wandale has a better season for fantasy if Tate is good. Not if Wandale's the one. Yeah, yeah. All right. Missy in South Carolina writing in about a chopped league, which, by the way, we're in the middle of our second season drafting that right now. I'm trying a chopped league for the first time. Would you please speak to draft strategy and how to use and save fouls? A chopped league is the same as like a guillotine league. It basically means we have – In our league, there's 18 different teams to match up with the amount of weeks in the season. Every week, the lowest scoring team gets chopped. See you later. You're gone. Goodbye. And all your players go to free agency, and then you can pick them up. I don't know if you guys – This will be fun because I don't know what strategies we go through. Yeah, we're still pretty new to the format. I know that my initial strategy going into the year has been like, I don't know. I am not drafting Josh Jacobs, right? Right. I'm drafting players that I know. That I know. Players that I know with certainty have opportunities to start the year and high opportunities. So that's kind of the direction I went is that I'm guaranteed production from my starters to begin the year. But fab strategy is another discussion too. I would say early in the draft, I really like having workhorse running backs. I'll take them over really good wide receivers simply because we talk about it a lot. Wide receivers, even really good top six wide receivers, they're not nearly as consistent as running backs. They'll have their big boom games, and then they'll have games where they just don't score a lot. And all you need to do in a chopped league is not have the least amount of points. Did you turn my Hall of Fame bust around? You did. Sir, disrespectful of the Hall of Famer. It's too close to my head on the video. So I do prefer earlier running backs. And then I don't mind taking a quarterback. If there's a really good quarterback, I don't mind pulling the trigger a little. I don't mind pulling the trigger a little earlier because, again, you just need a lot of points to not finish last for those first few weeks. And the best advice I can give, what is happening? Are you laughing at the statue? I'm sorry. Do you want to finish the point, and then I'll tell you why I'm laughing? Sure. It was save your fab in the beginning. I know it's so tempting to go all in, and then you get a ton of, you know, you get that guy for the whole year. But if you're going to win the league, you really need to hold on to money for a while in your fab. So I'm looking at your. And this is not for the audio audience very much, but I'm looking at this bust of Jason Moore, which he inducted himself into the Hall of Fame on Saturday. Go watch it. It was a good time. YouTube.com. And people have asked us, was that a bit? No. Well, I mean. It was a bit for sure. Was that a bit that Mike and I were aware of? No. In fact, like, I almost, like, apparently, like, they had this hiding backstage, and I almost unveiled it. Oh, you literally touched it and started to take the sheet up. And I was like, Jer, Jer. Here's why I was laughing. I was like, this is too close to me. I miss Batman, right? So I'm like, well, maybe Jason wants it back behind him. Uh-huh. Yeah. Or you were trying to put it on the fake shelf. I was trying to put him on the shelf behind him because I. There's nothing there. Papa Josh can attest. I came in this morning and started laughing. I did the exact same thing. My plan was to put him on the shelf behind me. And I walked in here and went, wait, those are fake. You'll have to digitize him. Yeah. Oh, goodness. That we can do. Mike, any other thoughts on the chop situation? Just the, like, optimally, you need to have. You need to have some, some fab at the end. And in terms of how much do you bid on players? Our league was all over the place. Like you'd have weeks where it seemed like. Desperation spread wildly. It seemed there was weeks where it's like, oh, there's not really someone who should be worth a ton of fab. And then a ton of fab gets spent on them. And then the next week you're like, oh my gosh, this superstar goes for way cheaper. It's people are still trying. To figure it out. I don't know that there's like a, a boiler plate of this is the strat. At the end, you want to have something. It's the one place people ask us, do we care about by weeks? That is a place that it is a major impact. Teams got regularly chopped on weeks that their stars had by weeks. Jonathan Taylor's week. It happened all the time. And, and like, you don't know, I think this is part of it. There's a lot of managers, but you don't know who's feeling the pinch and afraid. Like you get it in. You look at your roster and you go, man, I got these two players on by, I am in so much trouble next week if I don't spend. And then they spend more than you expect. That was the league where Brock Bowers became a curse. Yeah, that was, I guess signing him. I don't know if this is prescriptive or not, but so Brock Bowers, you know, frequently hurt last year. So people kept trying to buy low, so to speak of like, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to get them on my, my roster here while he's hurt. And then when he comes back, it's going to be amazing. I'm going to have Brock Bowers. And then that team, it just get cut. It was very, it was, it was the ring. They watched the tape. I will say that as a side league, it was a great side league. Very, very fun. It was just a different vibe. You just feel like it was, it was just fun through and through. There was something consequential every week. Somebody you make fun of robustly. My every week, my favorite part of this league. And it's so delightful. Oh, I know what you're going to say. I was all in. It was important to me every single week. It was important. And it was like, oh, I just made the cut. Oh, the waivers. It's fun. What's my lineup going to be? The first week I was out, I made it. I don't know. Halfway, three quarters away through the season or whatever. As soon as you were out, I just didn't care anymore. Like I didn't, it was like, it was gone. It was off my plate. It was great. I think for us in a lot of big leagues doing this full time, that was a relief to be able to say I'm either all in or all out. This question comes in from Instagram. How do you decide between drafting value for team need when you're at the turn or for team need? I'm sorry drafting value or team need when you're at the turn the implication being if you're at the turn you've got a long way you don't necessarily i think that's the position where it's the most difficult to trust adp right because you have to wait for such a long time if you you know you have to either reach or pray yeah i don't i don't i mean obviously value is going to drop to you and you're going to know oh look i can't believe this guy fell great scoop him up but in general i'm not going by adp value when i'm at the turn i'm going by what player do i want i never ever you just can't play the game i mean you can you can say hey around round eight these type of players are usually there at this position but you can't play the game throughout your draft of like oh i hope this guy makes it back to me that you're maybe considering with this pick not going to happen in any kind of competent league so you just have to genuinely say of all the players that are in you know wide range who do i genuinely believe scores the most points for a position i need all right we'll take a break come back with some more questions we're still good on all that news nothing else crazy happening not seeing anything right now nobody else getting cut that we didn't expect or something like that we'll let you know um all right mar chad comes or writes in from x have you seen any indication that the year of mike is officially over he achieved such a godly level last year that i'm scared to bet against him this year any signs would help should be getting a wrong starbucks order t-shirt with a spaghetti stain anything like did you in life mike are there some signs potentially that we've noticed jason or that mike you've noticed like have you you know your shoes untied and you thought you tied it and uh any reason to believe that you may have been be heading for more of a the reason to believe average year is just believing in sanity and mathematics like turn to the mean yeah i i mean i probably have to but was that you're compensating for any like other things going on oh personal life's a disaster there's also you know last year in your house a while maybe that was the payoff last year you know it was a great year for mike you had the ring of honor twice and yeah got usurped already this year so there's a sign you don't know what bothers me is that i know mike mike has his stuff i mean mike has mike has his things he's never gonna escape and it's gonna be things like ben senate yeah and his favorite players are his favoritest but he's been ridiculously reasonable with some of these guys that he was just all over the moon with last year that i tend to believe him and i hate that about myself yeah you should you should definitely it's so frustrating uh we haven't seen it we haven't seen enough signs i jason inducting himself to the his own all it's just a start is a start it's so funny well i mean number one the bit you being out shenaniganed the bit was incredible pulled off flawlessly neither andy and i knew what was going on and at the same time because the i don't think this came up because of the eagles owner was it no no it was already happening because this happened the day after your second ring of honor i went okay i'm going all fame what's an important show 2000 oh the live show yeah it was it was incredibly well done um but then the the the owner getting put is like both andy and i had the exact same idea it went in my head i'm like could i pull off a third ring of honor at the live show and i was like i know i let it go and then i think andy turns out what you were planning a bit for today i came to the whole team last week when you guys were gone and i go out there and little do i know that this thing's been planned for six months and i'll feel free to weigh in i came to you and i was like hey i got this great idea now that jeffrey leary did this you sure did and my face probably went white and uh everybody in the office apparently heard me we had a group chat we had a group chat about this with basically everybody except you two and i'm getting gifts from like schneider the sweat gifts he's in the other room it's like oh my god what's happening and i think it was a great relief that i did not come up with it as an idea for the live show yeah eventually i just said when are you you planning on doing this and he said i don't know next week top of the week and i was like oh sounds good i'm on it i said i was just really stressed you were going to try to add it to the live show and i think we wouldn't have time to get it together and it would fall apart you were going to give me all the reasons i was going to be like why why jeremy this is such a good idea i was terrified that that i was going to let on to something or that you already knew part of me thought you might have already known and that's why you were planting that i did not but it was a great moment um my kids didn't believe me that you guys didn't know they're like no they knew no that's what my family did too they're like you knew about that right and we're like you if anybody knows mike at all you could tell mike didn't know because mike was so regularly every 15 seconds he got another wave of i hate this yeah um matt writing in what do you guys do when you're on the clock and there's nobody you like on the board i mean uh that's a funny question you get sad you scroll i mean usually when you're at that point where you there's nobody you like you're you're later in the draft um and at that point i think you honestly like if you've got whatever your resources for us it's the udk i scroll and i look for the players that i've put in the draft and i'm like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know and sometimes they're too you know it's like wow do i really pull the trigger here and it depends on how late you are if i'm like rounds nine or later adp doesn't matter that much to me at that point it's all just crap shoots and if i believe someone should be drafted here and they're three three rounds later you know i i'm willing i still would rather wait another round and get more value but i think that's my first thing i look for is who who do i have either queued or or highlighted in my udk that i don't want to forget about if it's an in-person draft that's a that's often the time that somebody puts that pick on the uh on the trading block yeah but if you're online the i would say go look at a different position like do you have your quarterback yet if you're not liking any of the players because this happens in like round seven i'm not really feeling any of these guys okay well what's been what's happened at the quarterback position or start looking at just rookies that you can see that you can see that you can see that you can see that you can see a very clear path for for uh quick success or if all else fails just start taking those really high high profile insurance powered pros yeah i couldn't figure out which word i wanted to say but it's like tank bigsby tank bigsby should be drafted in a hundred percent of leagues it's just where is the appropriate spot like you take a player where you're just waiting in case barclay gets injured but it's like that like black you know there's there's players where they're not a day one impact on your roster but crazy stuff happens every week tanner and canada highballer is not a fantasy question but who decides what bobbleheads are on the table during the show uh i think that's the falcon i think it's mostly the falcon that is correct okay i i will say he decides through one other method which is he picks ones that he hasn't already broken fair where's arian foster where's where's my area he had an ankle injury ankle oh was it his head didn't pop off no he's got his head okay all right he also he how did he get he did have an injury uh i got a step off of the curb wrong uh we've all done that but yeah he picks them out it used to be brooks when he was in the office and brooks was meticulous with his like like nobody probably noticed with the first eight years of his career he was like oh my god i'm gonna be like oh my god this is a show he always tried to pick guys that like slightly thematically match what we were talking about which maybe you do as well try to yeah yeah um and then you you just like randy moss you know we're gonna be talking about randy moss is always welcome to the straight cash homie today is genti mahomes moss and lamar but uh sure we we will accept any and all bobblehead donations and if they're good and not broken by matt we'll put them on the desk um see if you're real thoughtful you would have just put out four hall of famers you know is that what you think oh because of you yeah i did you're gonna really um i think it's coming to mind right now you're gonna really milk this thing uh just today just today i'll put the jacket away after today and batman comes back i don't know we'll see okay all right um it is a pretty good 3d print there dude yeah it was i will say this there were a few colonels yes that was what i was gonna say a couple people were like why does your bus look like colonel sanders and i'm like yeah i get it kind of does look a lot like a colonel sanders it's a beard not a goatee but at the same time it's got some healthy yeah it can be on the set now there we go perfect all right um we're gonna say goodbye that's the end of this show we've got a lot coming up this week players were afraid to be wrong about final mock draft episode fantasy football mvp episode with very special guests go sign up for the megaloball right now on megaloball.com. 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