Jacob Charlton of Thornhill

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And this is the first time we've had like production overseas, which is really exciting, but it's also very stressful and trying to fit it all in a trailer. I mean, I'm saying this, but I didn't do any of the lifting or loading. It looks stressful, but actually doing all like the lighting revisions and sitting there and choosing fixtures and programming and stuff. That was, yeah, that was all us. That was a, a big couple of days. We're very lucky. I mean, we've got a lot of stuff going on. I mean, we're, we've got a lot of stuff going on. We've got a lot of stuff going on. We've got a lot of stuff going on with the sound guy is just so locked. So a lot of the audio stuff was already done. So it's just been just loose ends. And we are riding into bandwagons and we need our bandwagons to look a certain way. So we always get this massive, like Walmart shop. We spent like 600 bucks and we just go and like tape every single light up to be like yellow and purple and have like welcome mats and have rugs and pillows. And you've got to have the vibe, right. You know what I'm saying? Needs to feel like home for six weeks or whatever it is. So six weeks is a long time in a bandwagon. It's a long time. It's a long time. And that, that thing is not the most comfortable dude. We say it's just school camp. Yeah. It's like a boy's trip camp, just hanging out, eating bad food every day. But you get to play shows, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Get to see America in a cool way, because I do think that touring around the country was a little different than now. I will say this. We started in the nineties. So it was a little different than now, but there's good and bad aspects of that. But we started in a van, we started in a minivan, then a 13 passenger van. And then we got to a bus driving around in the van was probably the best way I could have ever seen the country I'm from, but actually to see America we did. I mean, we did so many us across the whole country. But it's camping. It's, it's not, it's not luxury. It's it doesn't matter. You can, you're smart to like get the camper set up, right? Yes. So that you can enjoy it and you can be as comfortable as possible, but it is fucking hard in a camper. Yeah, absolutely. We did our first tour here in a van as well. It was a friend's van that they'd had modded out to another band called Dayseeker. I like Dayseeker. Yeah. We borrowed their van first tour. Um, and it had just seats and then like this, like built-in kind of bunk bed in the back and we're just shoulder to shoulder like across it. And it was, it's pretty rough set up because, but then Australia is worse. Like it's way harder. Australia is fucking a different animal. It is. It is. It is. And you don't know until you go. Fuck, it's brutal to tour in a van. Yeah. And it's brutal to like fly. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's like so big. Yes. So many things to get across and not enough shows. You never get into the swing of it. You don't have enough. There's not enough populated places to play shows that make sense. Yes. Cause you know, when you, when you put the tour on sale and they're like, why didn't you play Adelaide? And you're like, well, we love Adelaide. We've played Adelaide before, but it just doesn't make sense when you look at the routing and you're like, okay, we're not going to make any money on this tour. We never do. Yes. You go there for a different reason. Like you go to Australia. Mm-hmm. To tour. Cause you love Australia. Yes. It's not like to make millions of dollars. It's not like that's not the big payoff, but the shows are amazing. I'm sure growing up there, you saw our faces one way or another. Cause we fucking went to Australia all the fucking time to do something TV or music or whatever. Mm-hmm. I love Australia. Mm-hmm. I don't know why it's just the great, it's like this quirky, great place. It reminds me of home in a lot of ways. I weirdly just have so many Australian friends. I feel like maybe I was Australian in a past life or something. Yeah, maybe. Like I have, I always end up with Aussies somewhere around me. Yeah. Yeah. And I love it there. So I go for a different reason. And my kids, I was, they grew up going there. Yeah. So there's like a different, we have a different relationship with the place. And then when I go there and work, it's different, but you go there and play shows. Cause you love it. It's not like it's this place where you're going to do like 30 shows and make any money. Like just a different thing. It is definitely. It's fucking hard. Yeah. It's, it's brutal. Um, even being from Australia, it's brutal. And then you guys, when you're from Australia, it's a whole other thing. Yeah. You gotta climb this mountain of the tall poppy mountain. Yeah, dude. Oh my God. Every level you get to, they're going to just cut you down again. And it's like kind of funny when we talk about it, cause it's like a real characteristic. The hands crossed situation. Wow. Yeah. It's pretty rough. What do you think you are? Yeah, exactly. Oh, you go to America. What my band, uh, but it gives character. It does. I think we've been very lucky in Australia because we haven't really copped it that much. We've had a very steady fan base that has always really given a shit about us. I think, um, it's just that, you know, we've been, we've been grinding Australia since we were 18. You know, we were, we all had like our provisionary licenses where you couldn't have trailers, but we're still driving a van, you know, like 18, trying to, trying to do these 10 hour plus drives, like just trying to like survive. And our parents are like, you know, where are you, what are you doing? Are you in Adelaide yet? You know, where are you, are you in Sydney? And we're like, you know, trying to get to the next show. So we've done, we've, we've definitely ate shit, but I don't think that I think you've eaten more shit than you would admit, because there is also, there's expected humility with bands in Australia. It's expected to, this is normal. Yeah. Well, we came here and the touring here we thought was like a holiday. It's easier. It's so much easier. It's set up for touring. Yeah, it is. It is the only country really that's properly set up for touring. And it's just, we have a system, like we have a vibe, we have a way we do things and we really like it. And I think what we're really into is being locked in to touring for a certain amount of time. Cause in Australia, it's just like, yeah, you've got a week and then you're done. And then you, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure you get the same thing. You get home and you go, who am I, what do I do when I'm not touring? And then I got to wait till the next tour. And that might not be for three months because I can't go tour Australia every month. But even here, it's like, you finished tour and you go like, what now? Like, what do I do? Is my, my life just like going on tour and then coming home and then being like, what do I do now? Who am I? Yeah. Who am I like? Who am I? Yeah. Literally. Am I just right? What do I, what do I do? I don't know. I only know who I am on stage, I guess. Yeah. I don't know. It's a weird job we have. It's a weird job that I think I was going to say though, I think Australia really, if you can make it there, you really can make it anywhere because it's a grind and you're up against like, also what I would say, if you can make it anywhere because it's a grind and you're up against like, also what I think is another thing that Australia won't say about itself is like some of the best musicians in the world. There's like a bar for being a musician there that you just, at a base level, you have to be good. Yeah. And it's, you get away with more in other places. True. Like you could see people in America that are like, I'm a fucking genius. And you're like, not actually, you're not a genius, but it's allowed here. It's like, it's like, we can say whatever we want. We are whatever we say we are. And there's a bit of a, of a base standard in Australia for musicians. They're really fucking good. We talk about that a lot. And I think for a lot of the world, it's because it's so hard to get out of the country. Uh, cause it's obviously very small and there's a lot of money and there's not really a scene or a industry over there. Maybe it just in heavy music, but I think at a lot of different genres, like you're seeing the best of the best leave the country because they're the only ones that can afford to leave the country or the ones getting opportunities to leave the country. So it's like, I think you still have your like bands and talent that say they're bigger than they are, but haven't really left, you know, like you still have that, but I guess it's just not as populated as America. And you don't hear it as often because we're a bit more like, how to know the vibe of Australia is like, don't talk to me, you know what I mean? It's and America's like, what's going on? Like what's happening? What are you doing? And I think Australians go, Ooh, like relax. I'm just trying to get a coffee, but like, don't talk to me. Yeah. But we're getting better with that. We're like, Oh, let's like, what's going on? Yeah. Tell me about your day. I mean, the Uber here, the guy was like, dude, I'm in like three really big bands. They're not out yet, but like, yeah, like it's happening. And we're like, sick, sick. Let's go. Like, and then every now and then, and oftentimes, it does fucking happen you're like i remember that i was in uber with that guy yeah so it's interesting how that is so connected how that works but um yeah okay so i guess i should start by saying i'm a fucking huge fan of your band i appreciate i don't know if you knew that i don't know i feel like we got a two offer and we really wanted to do it but we couldn't probably maybe yeah i'm sure of it because you're on the short list of just like i'm just a huge fan a band like thornhill is on the verge where you could argue 10 15 20 years ago you would have never really had a chance but now i know if you continue to make great records you will continue to get bigger because it's where heavy music is today yeah and so i think it's a really exciting time for me because i love heavy music i'm not in a heavy band but i love heavy music and such a part of my life so i just think you guys are one of those bands that is participating in that and the records you make just keep getting better and i just i feel excited for this band no i appreciate it thank you that's how i'm starting no i appreciate that's awesome because we're massive good shallow fans really absolutely dude guys young and the hopeless like one of my first albums on my ipod nano when i was like 10 years old like one of the first heavy adjacent bands i ever listened to growing up so this is really big honor for all of us so thank you very much thank you nice seriously i think with what you're saying heavy music is having a moment i think as well in terms of the experimental part because bands and singers alike i think are doing this with an intention like heavy music i think you know what i grew up with in the 90s of what i was listening to and the things that i was you know uh having in my life through even the early 2000s was like heavy music was coming out of like a revolt like it was angry and it had intention and then i think we lost that because heavy music had a moment and then it stopped and then people were just doing whatever but i think right now you're going into music i mean you get bands like sleep token you get bands like us i think where like i am singing with intention we're writing with intention to when you get to the heavy part it's because you deserve to get to the heavy part and it feels like you're you're there because you were taken there you want you're not just like listening to heavy music you're not just like listening to heavy music you're not just listening to a heavy song for the sake of it being heavy right it's not just heavy because it's heavy like exactly okay now we do this i only want to scream if my intention is for you to feel that it's time to do that that it's like you know i i really love and i joke with these guys a little time well mainly tony i love juxtaposition in heavy music especially i like it in life that also uh it's the spice of life isn't it yeah it is like the ability to have a really really soft verse and a heavy moment after or even just like a beautiful chorus and a really heavy song if the lyrics are leading you to believe that story and the the ambience and the soundtrack that you make for your own band and the visuals like if they're leading you there you feel like you got there you feel like you hit your destination and you feel like when you listen to a song you're taken hopefully to a place that the artist was wanting to take you to and i think there's such a open world for that now where storytelling is a really big part of heavy music and intention is a really big part of heavy music so i think we're just very lucky to write like that because we write like that and that people are willing to listen to that i think propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes you're singing to my soul artist to artist bro well there is like a toxic side to heavy music that i grew up around with like hardcore music and stuff yeah and there's a good side of it too where it's these bands i love like i love turnstile love turns i fucking love i got to um i actually got to play golf with pat the guitar player you play golf yeah we all play you play golf we should fucking play golf dude what the hell we have to figure out how to play golf okay so oh okay chase you know chase atlantic boys we don't know oh dude you gotta meet them okay they're the best well we're gonna have to meet on the golf already sitting with you guys i know you'd get along with them you're from different sides of music but like i feel like musicians we all get separated in pins and then we're like we have people whispering in our ears or we have messaging thrown at us and like we missed the point of the whole thing we chose to do with our lives which is like be forever playing and having fun and imagining what the world could be or what we wish it was or making things sound better or making things look cooler or encouraging people to be themselves that's what we do and then with the music business hey it's a business it is and in order to do this for a living we have to run our business yes i always tell musicians like take yourself seriously organize your shit don't dismiss it don't dismiss yourself don't let the business lead the art yes but make the art and then organize the commerce yeah make them work together yeah make it work together so you can continue to do this i agree yeah and like i got to hang with pat from turnstile i'm a turnstile fan and we're both from maryland which is a small place so it's like you root for the people that came from down the road but i was a little nervous because i'm such a fan and i don't know i was like he's in a cool ass band and you know he's it was so cool it made me one love turnstile even more if that was possible because i love all the records but like it made me believe in the band on another level yeah because i got to know the person it's another thing to meet a band you like and to realize they're grounded yeah does that if that makes sense yes makes you like it more because you're like oh you're you're like me you really care about what i care about in this and you're succeeding right awesome like the metaphor would be like if you came to my house and i was i had a good charlotte cup with kool-aid and a good charlotte joint and i was like sipping my good charlotte kool-aid and smoking my good charlotte joint and you're like oh it was cool i mean it was neat to put the guy with the record i was but it was weird man he was just sitting there drinking good charlotte kool-aid and smoking a good charlotte joint and um i smoke a good charlotte joint once once one time like that's the thing is like is can we step outside of our music in the room together the face value of it yeah and then if it comes up cool like of course we're going to talk about it yeah but like are we just that yeah or are you a kid i would have hung out with at school and you would have understood me and i would have been like that was my friend man 100 he told me i could do it yeah you know what i mean yeah even as a band like you know on a tour as a headline it's like having the humility i think is the headliner to care about who's supporting and i think it's and to not have that face yeah being of just like this is my tour this is my show i don't care about you guys like you know we've seen it on both sides you know we've seen the bad as i'm sure you have and we've seen the good way you get bands come into your green room being like you guys are sick thank you for being on this tour and then you go oh they're like us then they're really big and they're really awesome and we love their music like it's such a like you know it drops it back down to why we did this i think that is one experience to awareness some people are less aware of themselves yeah you see it the older you get the more clearly you see it when someone's like and listen some of them can like be borderline narcissistic but most of the time i think it's more like they're so in their head they're so unaware they don't realize like and when you're aware of yourself you're aware of everyone else and then you're more conscientious and you're like hey how's it going even if we never hung out on the whole tour just the fact that we made sure our crew treated your crew with respect yeah we made sure that our tour manager was checking in daily with every we don't tour a lot but when we do we have a little bit of like a way of being so that our tour manager is checking in with the tour manager and the crew to make sure they have everything they need we say it out loud we're like look make sure that they feel like they feel welcome here and if and if they need anything we we need to make sure we we we supply it so that they feel like we appreciate them being here yeah and it's a way of growing up on the road yeah and you learn it from bands other bands you go i remember the way they treated us yeah i think you guys have all the stuff that like a band-like turn style that can be globally what i would say is globally important to rock music that's awesome to hear right thank you award-winning yes hardcore roots yes but pushing the envelope and pushing the boundaries of like what they can create yeah i see that band every record do that they try they're not afraid they want to be as artistic as possible bring their imagination to record as much as they can yeah and break the boundaries of like what you think turn style can do i see thornhill in the same light i think you to keep pushing the things you do on records and still get the heavy music love you get because the roots are there and the records have all the as a heavy music fan who likes art and likes all things you still scratch all the itches when i listen to the record i go it had all the heavy i wanted but it had more it had some other stuff and that's what kept me listening like it keeps you on the edge of your seat i appreciate the songs go yeah you know what i mean yeah i mean we always talk about i say that to as many young bands as i can is that like to write good heavy music your influences should absolutely not be heavy like that's how you build the genre up that's how you create exciting changes and things that you wouldn't expect because they come from you and where your ear goes like you're not oh you know we don't write a verse and then go hmm what would abcd heavy band do here it's like what are we hearing where do we want to go what are we trying to say i mean sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't you know like we're still learning like everybody like i think bodies was the first time we felt like we'd made a sound that we all agree is something that is a good base for us that we want to progress on if that makes sense i think yeah i think heroin look heroin was just like a hard time in life dude that was covered so you're melbourne locked down two and a half years in that time of that record oh my god that's crazy because to me that was the beginning i think so too and that's how you got to bodies yeah a hundred percent we couldn't have done we could not have done bodies without heroin like heroin broke the fence like you but you went through and you and then bodies is to me like your biggest probably like like bodies is complete it definitely you got where you what you were trying to do you did it and it was like exciting to listen to it wasn't a letdown it was like but what heroin was for me was like that's like potent that's oh shit i can't wait to see what this band does yeah there was so much in that dude like there's so much that didn't actually i'll tell you really quick because i said i wanted to say it you know the song raw on heroin keep your hands off my girl oh really biggest rip ever we were like i remember hearing the riff tone thank you dude i was like i feel like no one gave that fucking song dude that song's our favorite song it's so actually we're like this is the toughest song ever i don't know why people do it rocks it never got its shine it should have been bigger camp it got its fine thank you trust me trust me that's awesome yeah i love to hear that because i love it i love that record that's the best record dude is that good morning revival yeah yeah i don't know why i looked at you guys like the guy that wrote it wasn't right here um banger so many bangers on that there was some i feel like i'm blanking on that was a tough time for us really why we were just trying to grow yeah and we were trying to not be a punk band right okay or like a pop punk band or whatever everyone kept saying we were and at the time i didn't realize we just we didn't have to be anything and we just needed to be and when you're young and everyone's saying this and saying that and you're you're actually like paying way too much attention to a bunch of people who have known about your band for five minutes yeah and they have no idea who you are what you've been through and they don't care yeah it's like they're fucking sitting on the toilet making comments or writing an article five minutes before they need to turn it in yeah you know what i mean yeah i didn't realize that now i'm older but i'm not saying that i'm not going to be a punk band i'm not going to i'm not saying this like to diminish your experience because you should celebrate yourself i take good bad and everything else in between a grain of salt if someone wrote an article about how important your my band was i'd be like oh that's cool yeah we've learned that's nice or how awful we are i'd be like oh that kind of sucks okay okay but like yeah even kill 100 and and not let any of it in too much and more it's about how you feel about it really and what am i experiencing in real life with people yeah what's actually happening at face right like you just telling me that about keep your hands on my girl will go we'll go deep into the like memory box of like of receiving someone saying like hey i like what you did there do you know what i mean like that's that's real yeah someone says hey hey that's fucking cool you did there like that's why we do it we wrote something you go here check out what i made yeah someone goes this is cool man it gave me the confidence to to do the rap voice and i've never done it before and now i do it a lot you know it's grown my like singing vocabulary for lack of a better way to explain it but like i think bands making risky decisions like that open up other bands to take the risk as well because like you're saying i feel like our whole career the early parts of like the record before heroin we had only received heroin we had only received heroin we had only received heroin we had only received praise i would say okay like we were never uh i mean we got a lot of hate probably more on my end because i like i just didn't know how to sing yet and i knew how to write it but i didn't know how to tour it yet i just i had to go get singing lessons and whatever so there was there was a lot of that but like mainly in terms of release and music we were only receiving praise ever and so as soon as we did heroin the first single came out we all got together and we're really excited and we had the live stream because it was like it was dropping live on youtube or whatever yeah yeah had a countdown and everything for casanova yeah and we got obliterated like some of the worst things i've ever seen dude we that that was the most hate we've received to this day that's crazy all the heroin i would never imagine i know and and but i'm thankful for it i'm thankful for it because it happened so early in our career so like you're saying with the grain of salt thing it's like we learned i think at the best time how much that doesn't matter because people wrote us off with that album and we only got bigger so it didn't make sense we were like all this all this you see online all these reviews and all this stuff everyone's like the dark pool is better this band sucks like whatever but then we'd be playing bigger venues we'd be doing bigger tours and so we're like okay so that doesn't actually correlate to real life so that's just the wrong people at your party yeah but you're still getting invited to better parties yeah so it's like well i guess i don't need to actually go to these anymore like it doesn't matter we we noticed when we were um this is not the same thing but it's the same feeling right and good morning revival was a big part of that um we noticed when we went and played we we we made at the time it was like not it was controversial in the scene of what we were coming from but we went and we toured future love sex sounds with justin timberlake prime right and we were we did the tour of the main main support and it was fucking big jt fans in this band it was it was and you remember that era oh do i remember it was like it was his like peak it's peak timberlake on his solo shit and um dude what a tour it was a huge it was a huge tour and when he asked us to do it he was trying to do something different and we had just made this record that was different and keep your hands off of it and we were like oh my god we're going to do it and we're going to do it and we're my girl and dance floor anthem and there was these like we wanted to do something that was like i didn't want to say rejecting where we came from but more like don't tell us what to do big time so we went and made this like record that was much different at the time than what people were kind of asking us for and we got the same thing like people were like this little group of people that we were debuting it for hated it and everyone else liked it and then we went on this tour with justin timberlake and which was the first time we were doing it and we were like oh my god we're at the time people like what the fuck are they doing we were like this is fucking cool man this is mix bill big shit so cool the crowds were like people who wanted to be there and they were having good a good time and half of them knew who we were and the other half were like we're just like whatever and it was like it was a cool thing to do for us and i think that was the beginning of breaking out of letting our fear of people saying stuff because we we did we did take it to heart like we did oh yeah um we wanted people to like our records we wanted to get good reviews we wanted and we worked really hard at it it's not like our band wasn't like practicing and trying and writing a fucking million songs before we put these 12 on a record you know what i mean like we were trying our best to do what we thought could be important and then maybe we'll be remembered yep i don't know like that's when you're an artist that's kind of like you're like i hope i make a special record that resonates people remember yeah and then and then i i earned my spot somewhere in the halls of whatever this rock and roll thing is i think you probably did dude well i feel like you definitely did what i realized is i think you're right but i also realized the way we got there was being honest and being ourself hundred percent and then that's rock and roll and trying our best and then not hiding behind something you know what i mean not building the perception of what we were yes and just emerging and being what we are which is is slightly different we're not the most different band but we like slightly over here on our own little thing because we make different choices and that's what every band i think is got to find their own version of is just like emerging with each record yeah and trusting that that same kid those same guys that started in high school that thought that would be cool man we should do this that we're excited they show up every time and you bring them along even though you're going to develop into a person who has more experience more know-how you still bring those kids along because they were the ones who gave you the license yeah you grow with your audience you just hope that when they're growing they are also growing with you in your decisions i'm talking about the high school kid that you were oh me yeah i'm talking about the the guys who start you started down the road together as a band who were like let's do this and then they're like we could be big do you know what i mean like we could do this yeah and stay in the van yeah stay in you know metaphorically speaking stay in the van stay excited stay imagining yeah and fight against the fear of all the things uh because what i hear in your records is that i hear imagination yeah and i hear like excitement and , yeah i don't think this band would exist without that feeling like i don't think we could survive without putting out a record that made us nervous because we did something i think i feel like bodies like like ah for lack of a better word like bodies didn't feel i'm i'm putting it to the band now bodies didn't feel like the biggest risk would you agree heroin did heroin felt like dropping into cold water like we were like we feel this here yeah but bodies felt confident heroin is exciting i agree bodies is confident yes and and the next record bigger if i want to be excited and i want to feel what we do with heroin but i want to feel it with the confidence of bodies i feel like you learn new moves on heroin and bodies it's fully developed yes 100 so where i'm not saying it's not because when i heard bodies it was exciting but it i was already set up for it like you kept developing the moves you learned on on heroin i think um because i think you guys on heroin got more colors or like like what you're talking about with like the rappy thing that's just another uh like brush in the in the paint yeah i think that's a good point yeah i think that's a good point yeah i think that's a good point yeah yes you know what i mean it's not like for me like i was never like i'm gonna be a rapper i wanted to learn different ways to use my voice so that i could accentuate certain songs or certain things so that i could tell different stories or stories in a different way that are interesting to me in different songs yes and that's all that was was me trying even like singing falsetto or that was all stuff i didn't know how to do it i just wanted to try it because i wanted to be able to paint a little bit different yeah and then some stuff you bring along some stuff you actually like you may not do it as much but you will pull it out in other places in it because now you know you can do little things yeah and that's what the whole point of experimenting with your songs is about yeah i always feel like that with my screams because i was really lazy on bodies and i didn't fry scream the entire time because i was just like i didn't want to like really scream unless it was really necessary and so i just pull out i do these like inhale screams like that's like i've been doing it since i was like you know 14 and they've always been fine but i had to really learn how to fry scream so it's like i put the fries on the back burner because i was like it's fine like i feel like i can get a lot of this attitude out in different ways because like we really wanted bodies to feel this is such a lame way to say it but like swaggy yeah yeah you know we wanted we wanted there to be a bit lame at all yeah it's coming back dude we're bringing it back swaggy yeah we just wanted there to be groove that we hadn't done before that's the only thing i think we really wanted out of heroin because heroin felt very slow and open and beautiful which is what its intention was but i mean i'm sure you've had this you write a record you write a sound you write a vibe then you play it live and it feels so different to what you thought it was gonna yeah and it does different things to the audience it takes time it takes a lot of time and then you i don't enjoy playing this as much as other vibes but then we play body stuff and the audience changes things change we our shows are a little bit more turnstile-y presenting now because it's bouncy and it's exciting and it's all right you know what i mean and so now it's cool to know that we can do both in one show like a record where you can do that but our live show now it's like bringing it i go okay i'm gonna get the crowd to do this or i'm gonna get them to jump or i'm gonna get them to do that and i feel that energy i go yeah let's go and then we play blue velvet and it's like no one's moving right no one's saying anything people don't even know when to clap when it ends right because it's such a well maybe they don't like it but maybe i think that it's such a strong atmosphere right that people just want to hold each other you know you got yeah you got a couple of couples in the crowd just like swaying to each other and to me now in the size that we are in the confidence that we have with that that that's as exciting to finish a song like that and to see the mood change in a show like that and i think now i feel like when we write this next record intention of live performance is still going to stay in our minds i think it's really really really good that you're aware that took me a long time to not just want everyone to jump the whole fucking time yeah yeah actually when i go to a show i don't want to fucking jump the whole time i want to have moments yeah yeah and i think in my older age i enjoy playing live more because we do it less first of all so i have recovery time yeah yeah it feels more important like i feel like i don't know man like like i think you guys are you guys are in it and you have to do what you're doing because this is the time because your life is going to be a version of this upward trajectory climb for the next i would say like seven years and then you're going to come to a clearing and you may be able to like go okay look what we've done you're gonna because i think your next record's going to be even more i think you're on the i can i don't know how to say this i'm not psychic no i like it but i see lines okay when i see when people are on certain paths yeah and the only way you can get off that path is yourself yes you can um blow it up you could do some awful shit you could do some awful shit or you could do drugs or you could there's a bunch of ways you could blow it up i always tell this to artists like i'm not wrong that often actually because i've just been here for 30 years watching these lines in these patterns and i see when people have this thing and then when you're like why didn't that why did that go so sideways i can tell you it's probably five things yeah and it's usually like one of these five things and it's all decisions they made to like blow their shit up yeah they crash and burn crash and burn and that's some kind of like personal fear of success or some people can't let themselves win yeah it's too good for the likes of them it's a dog thing too yeah it's like how much dog you have to do this because this ruins you doing this shit yeah just is so much personal drive and then drive as a band if you are a band you know everybody having four people on the same page at all times that's a hard thing to balance and then you're all sacrificing and you have to acknowledge each other yep and so when we're out on the okay so when we're on stage we all play a role yes and we under we acknowledge each other's role but then backstage we have to work together cooperate for the better good of each other so if one person's going through something or and then we have to also all try and acknowledge like the complexity of being married to four or five different people all that's what a band is you're like in a partnership or a marriage yeah that you have to like continue to make room for each other's growth continue to make room for each other's developing and growing lives with more success comes more life yes and that is a very very tricky thing to balance and that takes like some form of like therapeutic intention of like working together to go like okay let's make more room now i want to try to understand your perspective let's add business problems to that business problems and then let's add all of our own personal quirks exactly all of our own insecurities or our own deficiencies or efficiencies or you know there's so much to it yeah that like no bands want to talk about it because it's not that cool to talk about yeah and then no one wants to acknowledge it in the industry because they just want you to stay on the fucking train and keep shoveling the coal and making the train go so that the money keeps coming in and yeah um and there's all these things and it's a lot we talk about it a lot and it's a lot and it's a lot and i feel pretty confident in saying that we're extremely tight and we're very conscious of each other more than ever i think because we we had like a problem where we had to we had a big problem on a tour and we had to like kick out somebody and there was a lot of management issues there was a lot of things and like i'm sure you've touched it before like nobody tells you when it's not for best friends and when it's a business you have to either be clued in on the business early or you you fuck it because like there's so many times where in the past we were just like delusional and we were like we're just we're just i just want to make music and we're young um yeah i'm young i just want to play shows my the reason i'm here is for music it's not for money obviously so when money starts to happen or you need money because you're doing too much to work you go well how do we what are we doing with that and then everybody goes i don't know well i'm doing the same as you well it's hard well let's say okay so i'm gonna let you keep going but i want to acknowledge that as like an experience right the implied what's implied hey how's law school going oh i'm in my third year um um it's going pretty good that's fucking great man so how long you got well i don't know it might take me three more years or four more years or five more years to get my master's and then i'll become a junior lawyer and then hopefully i get a job and then from there but i'll probably be a really big badass attorney in about 10 to 12 years if it goes well yeah i'm being dead fuck man yeah good for you yeah hey um how's that a little that's that little how's that little band thing you got going there oh it's good we're we're uh you know we're really trying uh maybe like seven or eight years we'll be we'll be someone you you might hear about and then in like three four more years from there we might be a band that you're like that's big fucking band and you come to our show at fucking uh kudos yeah right see you kid if you were in law school they'd take you seriously they would cheer you on they wouldn't doubt you even though you there's no guarantee you're gonna get your fucking law degree there's no guarantee you're gonna be a lawyer but somehow when you tell me that i understand it and i go that's ambitious good for you if i tell you about my little garage band and my big dreams i don't even want to share it with you because i'm so tired of the reaction good luck kid yeah you're gonna play covers uh next oh you want to be a doctor come over here i want to encourage you you know what i'm saying like the implied message from the group is you're fucking crazy keep it moving i do not believe that you're doing anything with your life you have no value to me get out of my sight i want to talk to someone who i'm interested in yeah you have zero value to me yeah i got that from family everyone thanksgiving hey how's the how's the music yeah how's your band right so that's what i'm saying is like is like and and we do that unknowingly we all do it to someone we don't understand therefore we don't value therefore we don't encourage therefore it's the implied thing in life we don't value therefore we don't encourage therefore it's the implied thing in life we don't value therefore we don't encourage therefore we don't encourage therefore it's the implied thing in life right that's how every musician starts yeah and so when we get to this is a business we don't even own it yeah because we've been told our whole life it's not a business it's a hobby and if you make it you won some cosmic lottery yeah and that's not true if you're talented and you work hard and you organize yourself and you go forward and you refine your plan as you go whether you realize you're doing it or not you will come into what you're doing and you're going to be able to do it is results which feels like success yes results is all you're experiencing you can call it if you said this is what's happening another person who's not doing what you're doing they're going wow you played where with who like yeah but actually we didn't make any money because it cost us this much and blah blah they wouldn't hear that they'd be like wow because they see success yeah it's not success it's results success is what we see we choose success and am i successful do i feel successful what is success it's something like for me at this age 47 it's something like being really happy and content with what i choose family friendships and working on things i love feels so successful i no longer judge like where the thing is in its growth i either believe in it or i don't and if there's a heartbeat there's a heartbeat yeah no i agree which is why i think we do as much as we can ourselves yeah which is you know like leads back to the business part where it's like obviously a sink or swim thing but we were lucky to have maids who's you know our drama and our manager take over and be business savvy so that like everybody in the four of us like you say like everybody on stage has a role but for us personally as a band off stage everybody has a role that is super important you know like we make our own merch we design our own shit we we're they're getting mocks of stuff like we care about as many avenues as we can physically care about because that's the band and the business are the same thing because we care about both and we're still learning in all these avenues you always will be yeah and but that's why we do it like that's the exciting part of it right like fuck yeah there's there's more to a business than making money on off music it's just like we want to be this massive cinematic rock band and we want to be this massive cinematic rock band and we want to be this massive band of the fucking century but on the side we want to care about our merch and the things that people wear and the fashion part of what we do and what other opportunities we can do and how we can you know meet other people and give what we feel you know touches other people in the way that we want to and there's just so much more we can do with this shit that i think we care about as the four of us so i think we're just lucky to have four members that have the care and the skill set to just keep growing in every avenue it's a it's a so yeah we're we're very that's why your fans love you maybe because and honestly it it makes total sense to me i don't think you're a band that it like i don't passively like the band i love the records and so there's it's cool you can feel the like fingerprints yeah the human aspect yeah you can feel the toiling yeah that's what happens how's the new tour is it kicked off yet tomorrow tomorrow first show that's big you're gonna come to nerve dude i'll come i don't know if i nah i'm not making you get on stage i don't know if i can get on stage i don't know i think uh i don't know if your fans want to see me on stage but um we want to see you on stage that's all that matters what's the venue i'll wait that's great yeah is it i've never been yeah hell yeah it's a great venue it is yeah no we're we're very lucky this this tour has done really well so far in just in terms of like the reception to it and all the bands are really awesome like who's on tour with you vienova opening from germany which is really cool it's our first international tour that's cool we've got fox lake hardcore band very cool and one five six silence also very sick heavy band so a lot of a lot of cool people uh we've actually never really met anybody so it's going to be like a cool first tour to be like oh like what's up you know that's cool you know make friends over six weeks and see what everybody's doing and then we go straight to europe is this your first headliner in america like second i know i know the last headliner you did in silver lake that venue in silver lake echo echo yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that show was weird dude was it weird la is weird i almost came to that show really yeah i'm glad you did i had to bail at the last minute true true i dm'd you guys on instagram did you told you i was coming oh that's oh i remember that and we were like where's he gonna go there's no backstage no i don't need a backstage i like i go to shows when i go to shows i just like i don't need tickets i just go i'm like i like work it out yeah yeah but this tour feels like more developed yes yeah that's exciting yeah this is there and we also get to play mercia which we haven't done over here as well so it's like bodies 2.0 2.0 which is exciting longer set we've done which is a bit daunting how long i think we're doing an hour and 15 ish hour 10 yeah most songs we've ever done some hard songs for me and made a lot of money and i'm like oh my god i would say like playing some like older heroin stuff which is fun like we're playing hollywood and blue velvet and stuff so hollywood is epic dude thank you you're the only one that gets that song me me and tony we think it's like the best song we've made and one of my favorites that's what i'm saying dude is it real one dude well can you tell fans to also think that that'd be great some stuff just grows man yeah i know we when we released that dude we were like this is it like this is the song no it's like the worst received song i've ever heard i don't know i don't know really on that whole album that's so strange it's my favorite i know it's my favorite video too which is hard but this stuff just grows man i'm keen to see how it does because um i would say once bodies got released our shows had changed i think a lot of kids like found us online somehow or through bodies alone and our shows just changed completely like they just went into there being so many kids that like are coming like dressed up kind of like how we wear dressed and because our merch is like you know things that we kind of want to wear and like we're trying to yeah that's cool have so much of the merch spread not just be merch it's like things that we care about and pieces that we care about that we've you know measured and we want to fit a certain way and fit a certain thing so a lot of these kids are coming dressed in that stuff or they'll go to merch put it on and mosh in that and it's all their first show yeah and they're so excited yeah and that feeling is so electric to us especially meeting people at vip um and just having them be like this is my first ever show like i found you guys like fucking a week ago and i'm so excited awesome and then you see them crowd surf and you see the look in their face and it makes you it like your inner kid doing that yourself to bands it makes you want to cry on stage you know i'm just like that's actually that's why i do it why you do it but sometimes when you play shows you don't think that you know and it's it's really cool to have those moments where you're just like oh yeah true that's actually a big part of why we do this it's really cool to hear because there's enough cool guy bands out there yeah we're not a cool guy all the cool guy bands don't like us i think you guys are really cool and you could be a cool guy band if you wanted to be you're like a few attitudes away if you wanted to be a cool guy band and everyone would accept it now we're a goofy band but like if you've been a heart but the fact that you care about your merch and how it makes you feel when you see people wearing it is the whole fucking point it's why it's the same way i still feel actually it's like that's actually the point that's the acknowledgement that i think i i thought i needed it from the maybe like the music critics or something and then i realized somewhere in the later stage and to get it earlier is good yeah you will enjoy so much more because you get it early i missed the point it's not that i didn't appreciate it yeah we always loved our fans but i didn't appreciate the moment i saw the kid crowd surf with the shirt on or the moment the kid showed up with my brother's like eye makeup or whatever i didn't take that moment in the right way yeah not that i didn't acknowledge it yeah but it's like i was so focused on hoping that some writer i didn't know or some fucking award ceremony or some whatever would acknowledge me that the most important person was acknowledging me the whole time yeah and that when i got that was when i truly enjoyed being in good charlotte it's hard to take a step back like it's hard to be in the moment i find myself a lot of the time even on stage not being in the moment yeah i'm going oh my voice felt like this today yeah yeah i can't hit this note today i have to rely on this today and i'm like doing that and then you get to like an easier song for us let's say like silver and you get that crowd reaction or you get that kid come across and you catch them and you put them down and then i go oh wait this isn't about me not really what what the only part that is about me is the writing process yeah the touring part is about what we're doing and what we're showcasing and how we're connecting because that's music actually at its core it's you needing to create from wherever it's coming from whatever's happening you need to create and what you're trying to do is put yourself on a plate and hope that people are hungry for you and that's what you got you know and that and then when they are you're like thank you like actually maybe the whole point was that i was making you what you needed and i think it's really fulfilling to us but i'm not gonna sit here and pretend like i feel that all the time i just realized something while you were talking i'm an idiot no no no um it's that first of all what you just said okay just like food music is like a certain kind of sustenance that we always need absolutely and so we'll never run out of our appetite it'll always return absolutely when because we need to hear things that make us feel things and we need to see things so music and movies and books art we humans have a need for a novel experience in something that captivates their imagination because it is a a deeper part of all of us that we can't again that's it's implied that it's not important and so we grow up always needing art but never realizing we can make it or never being told it's important to make it or it's worth the time yeah or not knowing why you need or why why make it well just make it and then people as a whole as a culture we always have an appetite for music and art and so what we don't realize is what a great chef does with food oh dude don't get us started we're such a food band too they're making something it's love dude it's love they're making something they're making something they think is special yes they're trying little things crossing different ingredients coming up with their own take on something yeah and then they're excited for you to try it yeah you taste the passion in that and when you find something good you will always go back to it and it'll usually be around there's a few things with food right we go there to celebrate and we go to that place every time we celebrate this thing we always go there just like music we go there when we want to share with our friends just like music so we have to realize that's what we're doing so we can't pre-construct the result like we can't think we have to keep the unawareness of it while we make it yes but then just like we talked about that artist that's not aware of himself when we go out with it we have to get out of our head yeah it's your time to let it go and then be aware of everyone else of how they're that's how i would compartmentalize my own headiness my neurosis would be like when i'm in the studio i can be in my head i can be unaware of myself i can be as weird as i want that's your time and then when i go into the room with all the other artists or with the people i have to now become a conscientious person who's aware of like my elbows in the room yeah you know what i mean i think that's a great way to look at it you helped me today hey let's go fucking good man i mean that's we say this all the time like the best way artists meet other artists is times like this when you get into your process yeah because i like i've said this to so many like press things before don't fucking ask me what something means i don't know i don't give a shit who cares ask me about the process of creating it because that's what artists care about i remember always seeing the david bowie quote of like you know a lot of his painter friends i think would always name their art after they'd made it but if you want to talk to them about the process of making it they get excited because that's that's how we connect yeah it's like i even remember having talks with the sleep token dudes like the real breakthroughs we'd have as friends was like hey this is how thornhill writes and they were like this is how we write and we're like that's the same as us that's how we feel about it and that deep soul connection is why you're friends because then you go oh actually not that i didn't respect you the way i should but i didn't respect you the way you should but now i'm watching your show and going like i respect what you're doing because you're doing what you want to do and i know how you did it because that's how we did it you know and it's it's so cool it's sharing experience yeah back to our point everything's compressed and then it takes me as long to readjust from a tour as i was on tour yes sometimes longer it's not two weeks after two and a half months it's two and a half months at least to get into like with everyone else yeah at home like to adjust yeah and then you're gone again and then you're gone again and then you're back yeah it's just this i feel like we haven't stopped since heroin i think we released heroin we went to do our first us tour and i don't think we have stopped since that's what it takes yeah it does yeah seriously and i'm not at all complaining at that like this is what we do you know i feel you i don't think i know you're not complaining i feel you it's not it's just is it's actually just acknowledging that you're not complaining it because if you don't acknowledge the truth yeah then you're not being real with yourself therefore you can't continue to make real shit honest music you know what i mean yeah and each other having a strong connection with your friends even to be able to say you're not doing all right yeah when this is happening because it's like even if you're not doing all right nothing's going to stop nothing's changing it's just like you can feel like shit and still have to do vip still have to go to stage yeah still have to meet abc person and act excited do you guys have like um a shorthand with each other in real life where like if so-and-so's having um if one of you's having a bad day you can just say hey i'm not i'm not doing good today so it ain't personal or something like we do that like if i'm anxious which i i don't know i'm less anxious these days i used to be really anxious and unaware of it so i would kind of be like more edgy and a little bit less of a good time for my real friends and my brother used to say he's like why are you so fucking miserable i can't do this like it's not fun and i got there where i was like i'm really sorry i'm anxious and then i got really good at being aware of it and i'd be like hey dude i don't know why i'm so anxious um don't mind me yeah okay as soon as we learned how to do that everything got better and better and better and better and then the anxiety actually started to like dissipate the more i just became aware of it right but i always wonder if other bands have that like shorthand propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self what propels you propel with gatorade electrolytes i feel like we do i think we could be better at it i i think we could be better at being forward in saying that rather than being able to either tell or to have to ask if that makes sense which i think we're good at i think we're very good at being like you're giving off something what's going and then you get that explained to you and you go understand just let me know what you need like we're good at that we could probably take your advice a bit more and be a bit more forward personally but i think sometimes we don't know it's like we're still yeah we're still balancing doing this you know we didn't know like i wish we had known i wish i knew how to do that yeah i wish i'd known how to say to my bandmate instead of you always do this yes i always i wish i would have said i learned how to communicate and listen where i could say i feel like you're mad at me and they were like i'm not mad at you but you do this and then learn how to have that conversation and go around and around and around until we realize we're not mad at each other we're both either anxious or we're both frustrated or we just needed to reconnect or we needed and that took practice of like kind of like a therapeutic practice of like i'm saying this for all bands listening maybe this will help you this is the visual i use now and it really works i visualize a table we're all sitting at the table no one at the table is wrong for how they feel and no one at the table is wrong for what they think and so if i sit at the table with you and how you feel isn't wrong and what you think isn't wrong and your experience of it is your experience then i can sit here until i completely understand how it feels to be in your shoes and then i will do my best to explain to you how i feel what i think and what my experience of it was and you will commit to staying in your chair until you understand how it feels to be me and i understand how it feels to be you and the ideas in my head are now in your head and you understand them and you can accept me and we can agree to either believe in the best of one another or at least understand each other and agree to disagree and bring it back down to here and i didn't explain it the best but like being able to have the freedom to express ourselves even if i said right a touchy subject like writing a song and i'm like it's not that i don't want to write with you it's that for whatever reason i feel like when we do that i stop my ideas get stopped and i'm like i don't want to write with you and i'm like i don't want to write with you and i'm like i don't want to write with you and i'm like i don't want to write with you and i'm like i don't want to write with you there is no other way you can even if you don't want it to be that yeah it is that yeah like you can you can say what you want you can feel what you want you can be off to her and that's whatever but you're gonna still come back to that bandwagon and there's only four of you and if you're not chill and you haven't communicated and things aren't good like you're gonna feel that no matter how much you don't if you don't feel like your family you you have to be dude you have to be as close as you you can be yeah it's so true it's tough it's tough it's so fucking tough it is tough but it's worth it because do you want to do this for the next 20 years and you're in a fucking great band fucking thornhill killing it i got all i got all your stats oh yeah tell us what what do we got well you just had your biggest ever australian headline run in indonesia yeah so all the shows are just bigger bigger and bigger this tour is uh revolver presents the headline run yes kicking off may 1st you've already sold tens of thousands of tickets fucking crazy yeah very lucky you support a vin sevenfold in australia yeah yeah that's our first time doing arenas in australia which is in october yes we're doing the summer with them oh really us in event sevenfold us six weeks that's sick that's a cool lineup it's a good mix bill yeah jacob congrats man thank you very much the shit thank you very much good luck can't wait to hear the next record whenever that comes same yeah just gotta go write it i mean i'm well yeah we're writing it right now oh good yeah oh yeah how's it going we're starting to see some things happen i think we have probably more up here than we do in the laptop but uh that's the thornhill way normally we like to just talk about it so that's exciting yeah i can't wait for the next record i also can't wait for the next record we have some big visions for it keep them keep going thanks for coming on the show thank you for having us appreciate it it's been really awesome awesome man thank you for listening to this episode of artist friendly you can also watch the episodes on spotify spotify premium users get no commercial breaks on my show make sure to follow like and comment because i always read the comments