Jack and Jill: The Dynamic Duo of Chaturbate

Okay, I have a confession. They're all gonna want to take showers afterwards. Oh my god, what's going to happen? This is so sexy. Oh my goodness. I had a huge daddy fetish. Found to go out well. All right, well, welcome to Sex Tales. Hi, welcome. It's just like the first actual episode. Is this, can we say the first episode, Melissa? I think we can. I think we can say this. The kickoff episode. So we have our most special guest, Jack. Thanks for having us. We appreciate you. Yeah, this is really exciting for Vanilla and I to get a chance to interview fellow cameras. Right. I feel we have always looked up to you guys as many people in the caming space do. Yeah, so let's, let's start at the beginning too. Because if you guys don't know about Jack and Jill, let's start at the beginning. They are an actual real couple. Melissa, story about how you guys met and decided to become caming partners. So we met a really long time ago. Yeah, we were 19. Yeah, and we're a lot older now. Yeah. So we've been together for a while. You still look 19. The checks in the middle, all right. So we sat next to each other in class and we joked that we lived farther from campus than one another. So it was kind of the joke and we found out we were neighbors. Like a literal, like more like two minute walk. Yeah, like we're like, we're live very close to one another. So it's kind of how we met. So we were together quite a while before we even knew what. Yeah, I think eight or nine years went by before we actually started. Right. What actually intrigued you into starting? What made you want to start? Was there anything specifically? Yeah, unfortunately, it's the obvious one. It was money. So, you know, Jill and I both went to college and we pulled out student loans to go to school and we were six figures deep. I kind of did the math one night on an Excel spreadsheet. And I was like, we're going to be in our forties when I pay this off. Yeah. And we were living in the Bay Area in California at the time and it was very expensive. He had moved for a promotion for work and we're like, oh, it's going to be great. But then once we started like actually living and spending money, we're like, wow, we're this is really makes sense. This is really difficult. Jill was doing an unpaid internship at the time. Yeah. So it was a little tough. So we kind of just needed to, we needed another income stream. We had tried several things. Several vanilla non-sex were really work related stuff. Yeah. They don't pay like, they don't pay like Cam and paste. We were walking people's dogs. We were, we were, what did you say? That was the hustle before. Oh, really? Yeah. That's the one that actually worked. Yeah. It wasn't bad. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't like good money. But we ended up watching a documentary about web camming and really. Yeah. Called sex now. Yeah. And we're like, we should, we should do this. We could do that. You absolutely could do it. And you did do it. So from starting to now, having done what you've done, what are some of the most significant changes you've noticed in your life from then to now? Oh, man. Well, like this. I'm going to guess you paid off your student loans at this point. Oh, yeah. We got it. We got it. Yeah. Our lifestyles changed significantly since then from our, you know, one bedroom apartment. We live in our own home now. Yeah. We've done an amazing house. But we're just, we're more scheduled and professional now, I would say. We've got a whole lot new technology. We know a lot of people in the industry. I mean, it's kind of a, not the best answer, but everything. Yeah. I mean, that lifestyle changed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like we used to be here too. Yeah. Yeah, like 99% of it's for the better. Yeah. I felt like our life was really rushed when we had our normal jobs because we were constantly, we were doing both. We were working and camping and for five years, work our jobs, then like rush to get home, try to try to get on Saturday and Sunday was our schedule. We just camped normally two days a week. So, yeah. Like, and then I was getting my masters too during that time. So, yeah. So I just felt like our, our, we didn't really spend even the weird together all the time. We never really like spent time together because we're rushing so much to try to like make this work. Yeah. And just always short of sleep. Yeah. So. Now it's now it's just like a flow. Yeah. Do you think that that flow came with like the flow of figuring out your camings? Like, I don't know when I simplified it just your caming schedule, but that's just sort of like a. So our caming schedule came out of necessity initially. You know, there's a little bit of like that financial desperation when we started. So we were camming a little bit more than two days a week at the very beginning. But I feel like we, we had our stride and got our schedule bound at least after like a year or so. Yeah. I don't know. And to like delegate more and like get more help because we're just so used to doing everything ourselves. We've had a hard time like letting go of that role and like so that we can be like produce more, do more things. We just have some more free time and actually just enjoy our life. Yeah. So we're, it's still learning like we're still learning. That's the next stage of like learning as we, we've started delegating things. Like giving up your editing is like a very difficult thing to go. Yes. Yeah. It is hard. It's a hard thing to do to give up your editing. Like editing feels like organic. It feels good to edit something that I've just done. But like to that time and that space that I get back from not sitting and editing all day. To you. Yeah. Yeah. And only you know about like what you want to cut out and that you don't like the way you look when you're facing this way. And you would normally cut it out. But someone else thinks you look great. And then it's just great. But we were very first camp shows like when you got it. Did you know what you were doing or were you just winging it? We had no idea what we were doing. Yeah. I love it. I have to admit, it made a very common mistake that when we got a token, we thought it was a dollar. That was our first stream. Yeah. I think we had a hundred tokens. We were like, 100 bucks. Hold up. We better start doing something now. Yeah. It's kind of a reference. Yeah, friends, if the audience doesn't know, one token is five cents. So what are your shows like now? Because I know what they're like. They're pretty impressive. You know, personally, what they're like, they're a little more structured now. There's parts of it that are free flowing and kind of, there's parts where we improv, like questions a lot of the time. The beginning of our show is we just talk. So a lot of times, we'll just feel people out and just kind of try to figure out what to ask them. And if you repeat guests, we don't spend a ton of time. But we find that our viewers, you know, we always do it ourselves. Do we need to change things? Like, what should we do different? But a lot of times, people like what they're, like, what they're used to seeing, you know, they just want to see maybe like a new room or a new guest. But they really do, I think, like consistency and like familiarity. You can't make everyone happy. I feel like half the people want something new and then half the people are like, why do you change things? They like something to do. Yeah. So you can't really make everyone happy. Yeah. No, I was going to ask you, if you guys started out camping as a couple, when did you start introducing guests on your show? Because I know that's a really big part of your shows these days. After about a year, right? Yeah. And we just worked with one woman in particular, just for like a full year. We just did three sums only with her. Yeah. And we really only introduced other people after that. It really wasn't until probably like three years ago that we started having like more variety of things. Acting like producers. Yeah, because we really just worked with the same like, I don't know. Four or five people. Yeah, I was going to say about five people. Yeah, we had like a friend group and we would introduce them to one another and. Yeah, it was like all locals. Yeah. That people that we kind of like really met, like, you know, in person and invited on our show. Real amateurs, which I feel like that's kind of hard to find these days. Like everybody knows about only fans and. Yeah, when we were starting, it was like some people just never heard of web camming. And people were excited by web camming. Yeah, so it was different. But yeah, for that first year, it was really just that one person. I think it was good for us to kind of like figure out like what was okay between us and like how to work with the third and. Yeah, I think that was important. We always tell people that when they're thinking about inviting a third person, whether it's like in their personal life or on cam, like to take it slow. Yeah, figure out this first before you add someone else. Sick of sleepless nights. Are you tired and wired? Feeling like talking or maybe not talking? Look at what? Someone is always up on chatarbeads.com. Login to chaturbate.com and you'll be up in all the right ways too. It's free to sign up and start chatting and I promise it's better than tossing and turning. Chaturbate is the ultimate adult's only playground with fresh new faces joining daily. Join now because it's better live. As you guys are moving into the land of producing, I know you guys are doing your own VR thing now. Do you feel like virtual reality is the future of your production? Or do you feel like maybe? I would stop short of saying it's the future. And like, do you mean like in adult content production in general or for us in particular? For you guys specifically, do you feel like that's where you're going to put your your chips? You know, I think we've put as many as much chips there as we're going to. I may upgrade a camera or two or add another one or move one around. But our live streams are kind of the backbone of our production. So we've added VR into our live streams. We don't do VR shoots per se because VR shoots are like fundamentally different than normal shoots. But they're very staged. They're very sterile and they're not very fun to be completely honest. I've done a few of them. Melissa's like going like this. I think she may have done one. It's rough. Yeah, you go. He's very choppy and that's something you guys don't do. You're very natural and comfortable and sensual about everything you do. People are going to flip over all of this VR content you have because it's not like anything that's out on the internet right now. It's very working. Right. It is. It's not it's not like 90% of the VR content out there and some people love that and some people hate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't get it. But then some people in the comments that know are like 2d videos will like be like this. Yeah. The fact that we're live streaming the degree of difficulty with shooting VR with live streaming is just I can't like explain how difficult it is to juggle all of that kind of stuff. So we do the best we can. Yeah. You have some positions. I think that look more VR. Yeah, they'll hit on 2d and 3d. Yeah. Which was tell us what are the best positions to. The point of you doggy is definitely a big one. I think some of the oral that we do. Yeah, all the point of view stuff. Actually, because when people watch VR, they want to feel like they are the man sitting there. Yeah. That's like the fundamental draw of the R as you get to feel like you are the the male. I actually really love your porn as well. I like being in that male perspective. I don't know why Jill have you ever thrown on a headset and watched some of your. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean, I know it's incredible. I've made her watch it. I'm like, you need to see what we're doing. Because for why it was it was like, there was 100% me. Yeah, well, cameras with a shooting. There wasn't a lot of places for him to. But it's such a large file. So we didn't really have a lot of places to kind of present it. And then you know, they're like, we are sites popped up and. Yeah, there's like a place. It's kind of a silly story. I feel kind of dumb. But actually I started recording in 2020, my VR stuff. I didn't edit anything for eight months. I just I had my intuition that was like, you need to get a VR camera. I got this cheap $300 VR camera, which is cheap for for as far as VR cameras go. And I just slapped it on top of my stuff. It just started recording everything. I recorded every scene I put on a hard drive and I just left it. I think we took a couple of weeks off because we got like a cold or something. And I just like tore into it and eventually hired an editor and. It's, you know, it's. The gears are very grease now with that. I just hand someone a memory card and they just run with it. So I don't even have to do anything now. We were talking about delegation earlier. That was one of the first things we really delegated. And I'm so thankful we did that. We've got a great person that really helps us with that. That's amazing. How big would you say your VR portfolio is now? And all it's around 120 films. I think we've released about 40 of them. We've got a huge backlog. Like I said, I've recorded everything we've done. It's I can't underscore how amazing it is from a content creation and just like. Content security perspective. I'm not going to say that. was our first time doing swapping stuff. So I feel like that had something to do with it. - Yeah, and I think also people said that they were excited that we like worked somewhere different, like a different country and it was kind of all happening. And yeah, we just couldn't-- - The app crashed. And then the site crashed. And then we came back. And when it finally finished rebooting or whatever, while we were selling tickets, nothing worked. Nothing, all the apps and bought-- - Like it wouldn't start working properly. And so I'm not 100% sure if we caused the site to crash or if it just so happened to. So I can-- - I was there a lot of people in the room? - Oh yeah. - Yeah, that was just a few. - Oh, just a few. - It was just a few. - It was like over 20,000 people in the room. - Yeah. - What? - Yeah, yes. And they were pissed. But you know what I will say? And I'm not just saying this because Charterbates are a platform. Charterbates stepped up and they made everything right. They made us right. They made all the viewers right. They made sure everyone got their money. It was like a huge source of stress for us, but they made sure all the viewers got their money back and everything. - But we still did the show. - We still did the show. - We did a password show. - Yeah. - So some people that paid didn't get to see-- - And some people that didn't pay. - But they got refunded and we didn't get left out in the cold. So it was-- - Yeah. - I feel like the platform really stepped up. And to this day, I'm like, hey, it was like a turning point for us. I'm like, okay, they're taking care of their broadcasters seriously. - Yeah, 'cause we were like stressing that next year. We're like, okay, we're not going to send the video out to free for everyone. We want to be edited. Like what are we going to do? - Post proof, you bought a ticket and then email us and we got over 500 emails that morning. - It was nonstop, like a message. - Are we going to recover from this like paperwork nightmare? - Yeah, it was insane. - And then add to it that like we've been talking about doing a swap for years and we were doing it with someone who had never done one before. And so like in your mind, you kind of idealize how it's going to go. It's going to be great. Everyone's going to be comfortable. And then that happened and we're like stressing out. And then before you know it, I'm trying to get a boner while I'm really stressed out and it's just very difficult. - But the show ended up going to a spine. We all sort of settled in at some point and it was fun. But yeah, the beginning was like, oh my god, okay. Get it together. - I love that. It's so crazy. - But it was great. - Maxed out ticket show on CV even behind the scenes. We still talk about it. - It's incredible. I think it's just a testament to you guys that what a draw you have because of the type of content you create and definitely any type of first, like a swap. We gotta be able to see it. - Everything's in there. - I'm totally nervous. - So Jack and Jill, is there any ways that you guys are different and is there any ways that you guys find that you are very particularly the same? - We are so different. - Yeah, we're very different. - We're more different than we are similar. - For sure. - But Yen and Ye. - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah, I mean, my mind is all over the place and I think out loud a lot. That's my train of thought. He's a very independent worker. - She's very team-work-oriented. - She makes lists. - She talks out loud constantly and I'm like. - I constantly interrupt him. So sometimes we need separate workspaces, so I don't. - Honestly, at its very core, it's the fundamental differences between a man and a woman kind of the way. Some people are like that. I would say like stereotypically. - And then I'm again stereotypically with men and women. She's better with people and I'm better with just things and figuring things out, putting things together and taking them apart. And she's just better with people. Sometimes when I get really nervous, I like get quiet. And when she gets nervous, she talks. - Yeah, so it really works. - I don't know what to do. - Yeah, I'll chat. - I'll be like, "That's chaffee." - But we agree on most things. - Yeah, we agree on most things. - Yeah, and have similar tastes. - We have similar tastes in people with who we want to work with. - And our overall vision, I feel like is-- - Yeah, there's not one of us that's like, "We need to sell out. We need to do this." And she's like, "I want to retire and drive away." There's none of that stuff. We're just kind of coasting. - Yeah. - Do you feel like you have similar aesthetic visions or do you feel like that was something that one of you just kind of like, "All right, I'm gonna take the lead on this." Because I can find it's very hard to do collaborative aesthetic vision. That could be a little hard, difficult. - I mean, I know how to, I would answer this. My definition of aesthetics is like everything in the background here. And then I just dress like I'm homeless. And that my wife shows up looking gorgeous. And she's like, "All right, I'm ready." And I'm like stressed out. And I'm like, "Cackies and one sock." And so, y'en and y'en and y'en, like-- - I think I'm gonna have the holes in your boxers too. - Yeah. - I have like-- - Yeah. - I have to hold him. He never buys any clothes, you know? - It's a holdover from being broke, okay? - Oh my god. - We can't be perfect. - Yeah, but yeah, it's just aesthetics or we're just thinking about different things. - Yeah, and as far as like photoshoots go, like we've kind of like started to have more of a flow. Like we released a bigger a lot when we first started doing that kind of thing. - Especially with photography. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's so much better now. - It's better now. - Yeah. - Good, give in time. - That's good. - You guys had mentioned scheduling is a big part of your consistency and your growth and what else do you guys do to balance your personal life from your adult industry kind of work life? - This is a difficult thing for us. - We struggle with this. - It is. It is hard. - And if you have no one to stop working sometimes. - Yeah. - You know, when you work for yourself, you know, when I had a job and I worked for a company, it was so easy to shut off after 5 p.m. Because when you're working for someone else, the train of thought is kind of, why am I wasting my time if I'm not getting paid? And when you start working for yourself, it's just kind of like work never ends. And so for Jill, she will be in bed at 10 p.m. and she'll get an idea and she'll just start talking. And I'm like, no. - He's like, we're not doing this. - We're not doing this right now. - Get your notebook to keep by the side of the book. - Yeah, probably. - Yeah, probably. - Yeah. - So we have a really hard time separating. And that's probably the biggest thing we haven't found the solution to yet. And I think the way we're handling it is just we're hedging our bets that as we get older and as we age, we will have more time to just enjoy ourselves. And we're kind of like, hey, we'll hustle and grind now with the hope of just sometime in the future being able to just sit on the porch and enjoy our coffee and not talk about work. - I can't see that for you guys though. You're so driven. - You work all the time. I love watching you guys work. If it's working for you, keep doing it. - No. - I see you guys with two giant mugs with, you know, a giant dog. - With five dogs. - I don't want to work somewhere. - I do too. - It's five years or so. - Yeah. - In my 40s or so. - Sooner than that. - Yeah, I mean, we both enjoy working. But yeah, definitely, there are definitely times, and especially now that we have a family, I think are like what we want for ourselves has shifted a little bit. But yeah, but we do, I like do feel really good when I'm working, but yeah, I'm learning to learn more. - Gives me a sense of purpose when I'm working. And that's important to me as like a human. So. - Yeah, but we definitely crave also like having that after like what's in the future. - Oh yeah. - Something else. - Yeah. - You want to know my favorite word? It's orgy. It just has such a nice ring to it. And guess what? This season of Cam Girlfriend is all about orgy. You can catch the award winning series on YouTube. And it explores the fascinating world of group sex. See you there. So what does that mean? What's a typical day like for you guys? So let's say it's a Saturday show. What are we doing? - So Jill will get up at 6 a.m. - Yeah, 5.30 to 6 a.m. - But that's a recent development because we have a family now. - Yeah. - So. - She gets up early. She likes it early. - And I'm a terrible person and I don't wake up early. - Yeah. Yeah, we just sort of like realize that. It's just he's not gonna be the early riser in the morning. Yeah. - You can't force it. It's just not you can't force it. - It's not there. - It's not there. - I'm trying to see gets up for like 30 minutes. And I'm like, oh, he's getting out. - There's been mornings where I've gotten up, okay? For there's there has been a few. - We've been in the sunrise. A few times. - For doctor's appointments, probably. - Yeah, yeah, stuff like that. - That's it. But yeah, so I'm up early, and then when the nanny gets here, that's when I'm able to get ready. And I try to be, I try to get ready as fast like hence I can help him. - Yeah, but it inevitably ends up while she's getting herself all beautiful. I'm running around with one sock on and holes in my boxers and I'm putting all the cameras, setting everything up. Occasionally I do it the night before or at least do certain things the night before. But there's always something to do in the morning if not just to run around in circles and be stressed out. - Yeah. - So I spend about an hour getting the stream, everything set up so we can just hit the button and just be good. - It also depends too. Sometimes we host people, which actually happens most of the time. We have people, we have a guest area and people are here. So I'm usually getting them coffee here, like talking, coordinating, whatever we need to coordinate for the show, whether it's outfits or the flow of the show or I always ask people what do they wanna do in the show? What are their viewers wanna see, what kind of content do they need? That kind of thing. - There is a remarkably low level of planning that happens to all of them. - Yeah, yeah, it's very, very, very, very start time though. - Yeah, 11 a.m. is our start. - Usually. - Yeah. - If we can make it very, very, very, very, very, very, yeah. I've found that personally, I can't speak for you, but I just love getting it. Maybe not over with is the right way to put it. - The energy is there. If you tapped me for to do this. - And having me with you today as well. - Exactly. At 8 p.m., I don't know if I could make it. - Yeah. Be rough. - The social and physical energy may just one of them may be lacking. - Do you have any common requests from fans? Like is there something that people just won't stop asking? You guys, they wanna see us do swapy stuff. That's swap. - All the time. - They wanna see us. - Waps in anal. - Another couple. - Which we've only done once. - I think first, or kind of new things, things you have to do are so exciting. Do you guys like that kind of anticipation of like switching it up a little bit? - It's a love-hate relationship. - Yeah. I don't think, if people like-- - Does Jack like his comfortable space? Like you root your-- - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. He does. - I'm nervous about setting up all the cameras 'cause we know that falls on you. - Yeah, I mean, just kind of what I was talking about earlier with being stressed out and just trying to like perform. Like as a guy, you have limited control over like the functionality of your body. And I just, I have this like right left brain kind of thing. If I'm messing with the camera, if I'm touching the camera in any way, like I can't be sexual. And I just, I need some sort of like time in between the two. Like I cannot hold a camera and like be a cameraman and then just go right into it. Like I'm gonna have to jump off to the side and like get ready. - Yeah. - So there's unfortunately-- - He's not a fluffer kind of guy. He likes his space and he'll come back when he's ready and you just don't bother him. - There's a reason for that though. So I don't know. - Yeah, well, everyone's kind of different, but that's how you work. - True. - Yeah, I don't think a lot of people really tell much multitasking goes on during the cam show on top. - He's doing a lot of sexual aspect. Yeah, so you're exactly right. You've got one half of your brain on the tech side and then one half is like trying to actually have a good time. - Yeah, well, there's not enough blood for that to get to the end of the screen. - There's not. - There's not. After all that, there's genuinely not enough blood. - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's going one place or the other. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know. - Well, you've like figured out a free, like you kind of know what to do with methods. It works messed the time. - Yeah, I've got like my-- - My system might like your team down and sometimes things deviate from that, things happen. So I mean-- - Divinity performers that you've really enjoyed working with, swapping with? - The quick answer is yes. You know, I'd say like 99% of our interactions are like overwhelmingly positive. It'd be like really difficult to like point at one person or two people and just kind of say, that was a great experience because I'd feel like I'd be like discounting other people we've worked with. - Yeah. - So you guys can say I'm your favorite. I won't tell anyone. That's why. (laughing) - Have you guys ever seen-- - I was actually-- - Yeah. - Yeah. - We have a couple of times. - Yeah. - I used to do my research. - I also did good. - It's great. - Yeah. - I don't know. - That's crazy. - Melissa, I was honestly about to go there, like right after I started with that being so-- - Well, you're my favorite couple, along with some of the people on CB for sure. And I know that your fans request a lot of like first and swaps and things of you, but aren't fans requested that we ask Jill for blow job tips. So let me wrap your mind first. They are dying to know specifically Jill. What are your-- - Oh my gosh. - Blow job tips. - Oh gosh, I think the most important thing for a good blow job is like enthusiasm, like being into it. If the person that is receiving doesn't feel like you're into it, then yeah, it's not gonna be a good blow job. I really don't feel like you have to have all these crazy techniques or be able to deep throw 'cause I certainly can't deep throw at him. But I think, you know, I-- (laughing) - I don't think anybody-- - I think-- - No, I'm sure. - Let's do it. - Yeah. - Yeah, I think it's really-- - You know, you have to also know what your partners into. Do they like eye contact? Do they like, you know, a little bit of like dirty talk or for me personally, I really like it when it gives me feedback and tells me like I'm doing a good job. It like makes me want to, you know, I'm into like giving pleasure to whoever, you know. So I think it's more about like being into it. Whether it's like minimal encourages, like making a little bit of sounds when you're doing it and like eye contact. But I also think a good combination of like hand sucking using your hand while you're sucking or like making sure like you incorporate like balls to, you know, do it all, just like being to it. I think that's more of the things you need to be into giving a blowjob if you want to give a blowjob. - I love that. - You gotta actually get into it. - Yeah, I love that. - We had to show-- - I saw her do the movement. - Get in the mood. - I saw her do the movement. - They were moving in opposite directions, so. - I've watched him get himself ready. So I know where, you know, you get all the face palm. - Yeah, you can always watch your partner whoever it is, like, you know, how they touch themselves and try that too. See if they like it. - That's a really good tip. Especially for those of us with Kim Model, my friends. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. - What's the most adventurous place you guys have done it, by the way, if you don't mind me asking. - No. - There's nothing too taboo that's happened, so we can answer that. - No, yeah. - And there's three places that hop out. - Okay, three places. - Three. - Three. - One was when we were in Tahoe, we'd-- - Oh, okay. - We hiked up the mountain and we were all by ourselves, of course. - Yeah. - And we were on the rim of the mountain, just looking down into the lake, and there was no one around, and we just had sex in front of the mountains and the lake, and everything. - Yeah, it's really pretty. - That's so romantic. - That sounds beautiful. - It's romantic, and also-- - Can I see the video about one? (laughing) - It's on my own fan. - Research, research purposes. - Research purposes, of course. - It's still on there, it hasn't been taken down. - Oh, yeah, might have been taken down. - It got taken down. - Oh, I know, yeah, there's-- - It was there at one point. - It's a public, yeah. - Yeah. - The other one that comes out to me-- - Is the most adventurous one? - Oh. - There's three that are adventurous on different levels. We were on a family trip out in Utah. - Yeah, it was Utah. - Utah? And we were in a small town, like a little vacation town, and there were these bikes that we had at the Airbnb, and we had been on this family trip for like five, six days. So naturally, the desire had built up by then. At least for me-- - He was at a Saturday or something. Like clockwork. (laughing) - I don't know, I don't know what day it was. - So we took this bike ride, and we were riding through this neighborhood that was completely under construction. It was a development that had no people living in it, and all the houses just had studs up. Some of them had drywall and like siding on, and they were partially-- yeah, yeah. And so like none of the houses had front doors on them or anything. So I was-- I convinced Jill, I think under the guise of just saying, like, ooh, how did these houses look on the inside? (laughing) - It was definitely him that instated it. - Yeah, and so yeah, we had sex inside one of the buildings that was just completely under construction. While like looking out the window a little bit. - Yeah, sure. - It's not thing weird was going on. - And had walls? Or was it just like that? - It had walls, yeah. It had walls. This particular place had walls, but no windows installed yet, and no front door yet. And then like the bottom floor didn't have like drywall or anything, it was just the studs. And then the second floor had the studs and the drywall done. So I remember-- - You guys are in home, man. - I was just not even there. The house doesn't even finish yet, during the broken end. - It's totally not fair. I still feel a little guilty about that home on the floor. - They broke in their house. - How? (laughing) - And then like the third one. - I was gonna go oral on the gondola in Russia. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, that was pretty good. - What's gondola? - Like a bowl. - Gondola's like a ski lift. - Yeah, the little like circular. - Is that what a gondola is? - Is it gondola, right? - It's like a ski lift, but it was off season. So it was just a sightseeing kind of situation. - Yeah. - Yeah, I got a fear boner and-- (laughing) - What's a fear boner? - A fear boner. - A fear boner. - When you're terrified, yeah, you don't know what a fear boner is, come on. - Never happened. - It sounds like something a horror movie made up. - It's like when you're anxious and like the anxiety and fear of like performing like feed into the like the erotic nature of the moment. - Yeah. - So it is distinct from a normal boner, okay? - Oh, no, I have to work on my bucket list. - I would recommend it if you can like make it work. 'Cause you still have one more. - And you've got one more. - I didn't know you were gonna say that. - What? - I don't know you're gonna bring that one up, but I know there's one more that comes to mind when we were staying in that hotel in Canada. - We'd love to hear that. (laughing) - Oh, this is a family trip. - This is another family trip. - Oh, is the family trip? - I feel like this is about like out of the comfort zone. - Right, there is a stage downstairs at this nice hotel we were staying at. - And-- - And-- - And-- - And-- - Yeah, it was a theater, sorry. - It was a fancy-- - Or the theater in the hotel. - Yeah, yeah, it was a big auditorium. And behind the curtains, there was a small dressing room. And we had sex on the dressing room. - Yeah, okay, quickie. And then literally as I came out, my sister was like, "What do you guys up to?" And we were like, "Oh, you there." - Oh, it's nothing. (laughing) - Oh, that's so crazy. - Yeah, you win. - Yeah, I can do it. - Yeah, that's pretty wild. - Yeah, you know what's funny though, 'cause I've done a few scenes that were versions of what you guys have actually done. So thank you for hiring the industry. Yeah, there was one that was like on a construction set. And like, yeah, it's okay. - That's where they got the idea. - That is pretty cool. (laughing) - That's pretty good. - We try to be ethical about it because I feel like nowadays people are trying to be like, really gimmicky and do stuff in public. And a lot of it, in our opinion, there's like a big gray area and even an area you should just stay out of. And so we tried it, whenever we do stuff like that, which is really rare. - Yeah, doesn't matter. - We try to, at least if it's for professional reasons, we try to be really ethical about it. And make sure there's no one around in your shot that it's wearing a private place that's legal to be filming there. So I will add that little asterisk there. Don't do it we do. (laughing) - Yeah, but we didn't ask you about your private life, you know, like I need to talk about it. - Yeah. - Especially I would agree. You guys are very helpful about the technical content that you guys have. - Yeah, there's a very important distinction there. - But any hard-nosed you guys have as a couple or maybe in your work life for that earn fault with sex. Like with other people or with each other? - Just in general. - Okay. - I mean, the obvious ones, you know, there's just obvious ones. We don't really hurt one another. (laughing) I'm not into that. I'm not into any kind of like blood play. I mean, I know some people are, very few people are, but that's just, I cannot find that erotic in any fashion. - Yeah, I would say we err more on like the pleasure side of things. - If it doesn't really feel good, then like what's the point? - Yeah. - But that's not necessarily a hard, no. If someone told me they wanted me to do something to them that would not have been pleasurable, I mean, I would do it as long as it didn't fall under those. Like very obvious, knows that you just, things you cannot do on camera. We're also not very good role players or, we're not good at faking it. - We're not good at gillin' a nurse costume. - You're a nice, nice guy. - I don't think we're like the best example for like people out there, but I think it is important to, that we're trying to sort of have a message about like ethical porn and like we always try to show like consent in our videos, like applying Lou, stopping, like we never, cut that out of our videos. - Yeah, we never cut out when someone's like, "Hey, Lou, we need to change positions." Or like I'm done, like I can't do anymore, whatever. I think like especially for me, it's really important that people see that because I think so much of what we see and like porn is not necessarily realistic and I get so many messages of guys telling me like, "Oh, I gotta be able to do this position," or you know, come this much or do all these things. And I think, you know, we try to show people like, this is also like us performing too. This isn't like what our sex life is like off camera. - Yeah, one thing, when you were talking about kind of what you do on your show to make it more, I guess to show like the realistic side of what sex with, you know, multiple partners is actually like. I think my favorite thing when I watch your shows is sometimes you mute the mic and you guys have your consent talk. - Someone who can be. But we're witnessing that. And I just, I think a lot of people, especially like in pro porn, you never get to see that. There's a half hour conversation that happens before we even turn the cameras on on what we're gonna do. - Yeah, for sure. - And I really appreciate that you guys do that. I know you do it off camera, but sometimes you do it kind of on my mute, it's everyone's comfortable. - Yeah, it depends. - Yeah, and there's a reason why we mute it too. - Exactly. - If you, I've learned that if you don't mute it and you ask people the difficult questions live in front of everyone, they'll have a much harder time saying no. Like, for example, one of the most common things that women don't like doing on cam is like cream pies. And a lot of times it just doesn't agree with people's bodies, especially if you're working and you just got like a couple scenes a week, you wanna make sure that you're gonna be okay for your future scenes. And if you ask someone live in front of the entire audience, if that's okay, they'll feel pressured into saying yes. So just things like that, when we mute it, they feel more empowered to just be like, "Hey, I really don't wanna do that." Whereas if you say no in front of the entire audience, then all of a sudden the audience wanting to see that, they'll say, "She's ruining the scene. What is she doing?" - Yeah, and sometimes it just takes a few of those comments to-- - Ruined the mood. - Yeah, and I don't know. You never know what someone is self-conscious about. It could be like something really random about their body and they're like, "Okay, don't wanna do "this position." - Scar. - And so we're like, "Okay, we're not gonna do that." 'Cause I've even had someone be like, "I don't wanna do this shoot today 'cause I'm worried about this." And I've had to talk to them and be like, "We can work around that. "You don't have to do." - Yeah, I've had people show up and be like, "I'm so nervous because I can't do." And we're just like, "You don't have to do that." - We've had someone come here and be like, "I really hope we're not having to do anal." And I'm like, "What?" - Yeah, that's not a requirement. - You're getting over-enthusiastic. - No, we're not really happy with that. - Yeah, tell them about the anal beforehand. - Right, exactly. We just show up the day on set and be like, "Hey, you're having anal sex today." Live, mind you. - Yeah. - 'Cause you never know about other people's experiences that they've had, you know, just turned some lots of stuff. So, yeah. - No, I think being in that little industry gave me confidence to accept the things about myself that I was insecure about or just flat out didn't like. And I think it's really amazing that you guys make that almost part of your show, by not making it a part of your show, you know what I mean? Like, you don't have to do everything. You do not have to do the things that you don't like and you're never pressured to do them. You know, I think sometimes people think that we are in to everything, but really, we're just showing you our best moments over action, really, and too. 'Cause we have the control and power. Hey, hey, it's your baby Neal. I don't know about you, but my coffee isn't the only thing that happens to love extra venti-sized. If you know what I mean. I also happen to like big fun. And the biggest and best adults-only fun online is happening 24/7 on chatabate.com. Chatabate has thousands of broadcasters, like yours truly, who are alive at any moment from all around the world. There's in this variety in terms of broadcasters and interests, so you can probably let your free flag fly because you're a good company. Love is a big coffee and big things unite. It's free and easy to sign up. So come join the fun on chatabate.com and come say hi to me. See you there. - So what advice would you guys give to yourselves looking back now when you first started in the industry? - Hmm. - This is a hard one because the advice I would have given myself is not the advice I would give the average person. - Oh really? Why? - Yeah. Well, so like the advice that I would give someone that's starting out camming is to like not quit your day job. Like a lot of people just love to cam and then like the next week they're like, fuck it and they quit everything and they're like, I had a good week, my first week was great. I'm just, this is what I'm gonna do without having to go through like the emotional and physical. a cool difficulties of it and trying to really understand if this is right for them. And just not knowing yet, there's total ups and downs, there's good weeks and bad weeks and stuff. But I would go back in time and tell myself to take it a lot more seriously because originally when we started, we were just going to pay off our loans and then we were just going to disappear and do the security and just act like it never happened. And just try to scrub ourselves off the internet. Good luck with that. Yeah, I know. It's really nice to go out forever now. So that's so fun. Oh, you're stuck with us now. Yeah, yeah, totally. So I think I would tell myself to just take it a little bit more seriously, set up straight or talk louder, do better. Yeah, you know, it's kind of hard for me to answer because I feel differently than I did when I started. This was all so brand new to me. Jill is not a sexual deviant. I am. I am. Yeah, it's kind of always been that way. But yeah, it's hard for me to answer. Yeah, because you have changed so much just doing this. Would you tell yourself not to be afraid to change? Yeah, maybe that it's okay. I think I had a hard time, you know, feeling like proud of what we do for work. I think that took me like a long time to be like, okay, you went to school for all this time. And so I think I, I don't know if I call it like shame, but I had like a hard time like accepting okay, this is like, this is why I do for work. And then I can have like a normal life outside of this. I think just like learning until like some acceptance of it. Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, depending on how you look at it, there's a lot of wasted years bearing like we both went to school for six years. So yeah, I don't know. I can't imagine you hard on yourself. I don't think any of that is wasted. I think it makes you. Yeah, I definitely understand. Yeah, what you mean financially. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you guys have any major turn-ons doing sex? Yeah, definitely for me. It's is in, maybe not enthusiasm's the right word, but just like being present and being into it. So occasionally with performing and doing adult work, sometimes you're, you have a show on Saturday and you have to be there and you can't, can't plan being into it. And so like seeing people be really into it, it's just, it's everything for me. If someone's not into the moment, if they're not having a good time, that turns me on so much is, is having, seeing someone have a good time, seeing someone who's really enjoying the experience. So that for me, that's, that's it. You know, like I will not get turned on. If someone's doing something they don't want to do, like I can't get turned on. I will totally notice and that's very true for him. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why I like, I don't like to do certain things because I know a lot of women just don't enjoy doing it. And if I see someone in pain or uncomfortable, it's just like it's not hot to me. So no reverse cowroll with legs up. That's a no for draft. I might make an exception for that. That's always the big joke who actually does not one in their personal life. Right. Exactly. And the little side panel joke is I had a guy who was a virgin on only fans message me. And he was like, I'm a virgin. I really want to lose my virginity. He's in his mid 30s mind you. And he's like, I'm just worried I couldn't do stand and carry. And I was like, what? People don't do that in their personal life. But he was legitimately like, I'm going to lose my virginity. And I'm scared because I don't know if I could lift this girl up and have sex in the air. And I'm just like, dude, you don't have to worry about it. And when you do it, it seems like a while, but he's not doing it that long. You know, like three times. Yeah, it's not the arms spread out pretty fast. It's so light. That's a big workout. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? What are big parents for you? Babe. Oh, for me, the camera is the big like, once you turn the camera on, I don't know what it is, but I'm like, okay, I'm in like, Jill mode, like, maybe to like transition like into like, performer and I get like, very excited. And I also, I don't know, I like, yeah, I like being an exhibitionist and like, people watching me, it turns me on. And I also like when we do a show and the person that we're working with, like, they make really good money and they're super excited about the experience. And they're like, that was so much fun. Yeah. And I just made a lot of money and we're like, fuck yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. I would rather give them receive. I get really uncomfortable when people are like, let me do that to you and I'm like, wait, no. If we stuck Jill in the middle and had someone scare and she was a center of attention. I get really weirded out. And I'm like, no, no, I'll just, let me do this to you. I'm like, I'm just like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm not going to do that. I'm like, I'm just like, I'm going to do it. You know, you're not going to do that. I'm just going to do it. I'm not going to do that. I'm just like, I'm just going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just used to. I think we've done so many shows where I have that role. I'm very, I'm just very used to it. It's like, you know, more second feature for me. We're at like a very, very, very tail end. And we like to do this thing called this or that. Like to do this thing. We'd love to start doing this thing called this or that. Really. And it's just, you know, little rapid, rapid fire question. Breakfast sex or dinner sex. Oh, breakfast sex. Hey, sex squad. Remember to spank that like button and subscribe on our YouTube channel, youtube.com/cammellight. And make sure to subscribe to Sex Tales, wherever you will send your favorite podcast. Yes!